Episode 52 - The Fly (Mmm Tasty Donuts!) - Middle Age Movie Reviews Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome to the Middle Aged Movie Views Podcast. Three
guys saying, so, uh listen Uh not to wax messionic,
but uh. It may be true that the synchronicity of
the movie versions might blur the result in individual effects
of either individuality, but it is nevertheless also certainly true.
I will say now, however, subjectively, that this podcast is
inherently insightful to the findings of the death Clock. I

(00:46):
think I think I will have the canoi after all.
My name is Tim, and my podcasting partners.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Are Matt Joey.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
All right, Joey, why don't you tell us what video
diary we are watching tonight?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Tonight we are watching the nineteen eighty six movie The Fly,
number seven hundred and seventy nine, from the book of
one thousand and one Movies You Should Watch Before You Die,
written by George Langlan, Charles Edward Pogue, and David Cronenberg.
Directed by David Cronenberg and starring Jeff Goldbloom, Gena Davis,

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John Getz, and Typhoon The Baboon.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
All right, Matt, how about you tell us when was
the first time you saw this film?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thanks, Tim H. The first time I saw this film
was way back in nineteen ninety seven on VHS in
my college dorm room. It was actually part of a
Gena Davis trifecta film night. I hadn't seen the entire
film of The Fly before that, but I do remember
my dad telling me about it after he and my
mom went to go see it at the local drive in.

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But I do remember sitting down with a few of
my college buddies as we watched this film, and some
of us saw it for the first time, and we're
rather impressed with the gross horror elements, especially later on
when Seth starts pulling out his f yournails and losing
his teeth. How about you, Joey, when was the first
time you saw The Fly?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I want to say the first time I saw The
Fly was on VHS, like a lot of movies rented
from the local grocery store along with the VCR. But
I think I saw it subsequent times, like taped off
HBO or something from the Kid down the Street. And
because I remember like watching it like multiple times over
a course of period times, I don't think it's one

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of the ones that sat in our house for years,
like you know, watching Predator or really squeezed version of
die Hard. But I definitely saw this multiple times. Oh yeah,
I don't even think I was ten years old. I
probably saw this. Yeah, it's scared the fuck out of me,
particularly the end, although the birthing scene has always bothered

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me as well, but the ending is and you know,
the the eating and the ending are the grossest parts
of the film, and those have always stuck with me.
I don't even think I knew David Kronag's name at
that time. But it is a movie, whether you like
it or not, that is going to stick with you
if you can sit through it. I just heard someone

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else describe it as we don't recommend that you eat
dinner or anything. Well, you're watching this movie because there's
a lot of scenes that make you a little bit
less hungry than you were.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, how about you, Tim, when was the first time
you saw this movie? As an ode to body.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Or this definitely had to be an HBO viewing for me,
probably in my early teens, because I don't remember ever
renting it.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
I know I was not old enough to go to
the theater to see it.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
And I feel like this is one of those movies
I might not even watch it all the way through.
I feel like I seeing the whole thing, but in
bits and pieces a lot, because HBO tended to run
the same twenty five movies, like all month long or whatever,
so they would be on over and over again. So
I don't remember if I sat down and watch it
from beginning, but I surely saw the whole thing piecemeal.
Like Joey says, it's a movie that definitely sticks with you.

(03:58):
There are some very disturbing moments in this, far more
than a lot of other horror films that I've seen.
So it's gonna keep you up when you're when you're
young and you haven't seen something like this into the
wee hours of the night and maybe a couple of
times throughout the night.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean just the scene with the
way he eats, you know, and some of the stuff
that they do. I mean, it's just it sticks with you.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
The bab Boon, The bat Babboon, scenes for me right out.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Of the gate.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, it's definitely. It definitely captures Cronenberg's body horror fascination
in all of his movies.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I think it was the first time I've ever seen
a bab boon because I just I very vividly remember
as a kid, like, you know, they were more hairy
than a regular you know eight that I used to
be saying, and they were very muscular and you could
see the muscles moving underneath the hair and the skin,
and like that stuck out to me. And then I
remember what looked like a Hamburger horse on the other side,

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and I was just like, and it doesn't even look
like a bab boon. It's supposed to be inside out
or whatever. It looked like a horse made out of
Hamburger like puppeted well.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I think you don't see a lot of bab
boons in movies because they're almost impossible to tame. I mean,
they are a wild animal through and through. And I
think they even said on this one it was a
good thing that Go Bloom is so big, being like
six foot four, and he's a fairly strong guy, so
he was kind of able to dominate the bab boon
and forged that relationship with it, which made filming much

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easier because the bab boon respected him right, because otherwise,
I said, it could have been a whole lot harder
to deal with. Plus, many of the ladies of the
crew might have been at a bit of danger because
that bab boon might have been like, no women mine,
So he kind of inadvertently protected all the female casting
crew as well.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well. Since we're on the subject of Typhoon, the baboon
and I don't want to give away where we grew
up in the world, but you guys remember going to
the local zoo, the big zoo in Chicago and is
it my memory? But didn't they have bad boons there?
At one point?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
They got the a Pouse, don't they.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I think I might have seen some apes there that
was a I was like four, Yeah, it's the Brookfield Zoo.
I don't think that's I think it's the only major
zoo in all of Illinois. I think I'm okay with
people knowing what state I'm in. Okay, I could live
in southern Illinois and like you know, there's those memes

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where it's like, oh, Chicago and it's like three quarters
of the state, right right, that's the other people.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
So yeah, but they got that, they got that the
ape house there, so I don't have they have bad
and they do have them kind of separated by you know,
the different species, So there might have been some bad
woons there. I don't know, because again, they can be
very aggressive, so as all monkeys can be.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I think that some degree.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Another, Enough about apes, let's take a look at flies, Tim,
Since you're our master of flies, this evening from you,
or should I say the lord of the flies. What
are you going to lay down on us for synopsis tonight?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, well tonight, Matt, I think I think I want
to give you a break. I know you got a
little bit of a cold going on there, and I
feel that this presentation really has Joey written all over it.
I've heard him do some Jeff Goldbloom in the past,
and he really seems to be able to embody the
Jeff Goldbloom personas. So Joey, if you're willing tonight, I

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would like you to read the synopsis as a scientist
documenting his scientific process as he transforms into a creature
from his ill fated experiment ladies.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
And gentlemen, lower your expectations. I'm Seth Brundle, a brilliant
but eccentric scientist too much and I've been researching matter
transportation in my own apartment that I found on apartments
dot com. Where else am I going to find a
multi level loft for my experiments? Against all expectations, I

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have successfully transmitted inanimate objects across space between telepods flesh,
though flesh seems to be my achilles heel. I need
to know more about the flesh. I'm talking about penetration
beyond the veil of the flesh. No, not that kind
a deep penetrating dive into the plasma pool. A beautiful

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journalist named Veronica Quif Kwaif, who is writing a story
on my experiment, inspired me to find out the flaw
in the system, the ghost in the machine. If you
will and successfully transmit a living entity, now the ultimate test,

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I will transport myself to demonstrate my breakthrough. And I
got to tell you it was invigorating, but yet wrong.
I was not pure. The teleportation device insists on interpure.
In my attempt to play with human matter, I learned
the fallacy of man's arrogance. For now I know I

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was not alone in that chamber a fly. It merged
with my genetic pattern with a fly. I am no
longer a man nor a fly. I have become brundlefly.
Now I'm gonna slap it all lunchbox and now I'm
selling it. I'm selling it.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Nice of gun, Joey, Nice to gud Way to go Joey.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Well, let's just let's go ahead and dive into our
our movie. As we penetrate into the fly?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Is that bas reality with insects?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Maybe? I don't know anyway, So we start off with
a pretty basic opening sequence with the credits. I mean,
it's it's like a black screen, and then we get
this like weird colorful like shapes moving around almost like
I would almost categorize it as like ants just out
of focus. And we have this very operatic sound going

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on and basic font on the screen, And I like
how it goes from this this ants crazy running across
the screen to kind of focusing in and we see
that it's actually a dinner party going on the first
thing we hear is is actually Seth talking to Veronica,
and I gotta say it was an interesting way to
kind of like kind of give this weird feeling right
off the bat of going into this movie. And I'd

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love to hear what you thought of that opening sequence, Joey.
Of these cool effects.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I don't know they did it, whether it's a kaleidoscope
and a series of you know, optical effects or what
have you, but you definitely they they accurately conveyed. They're
like they're trying to say, you know, kind of like
a little kaleioscopes you look through when you were a kid.
It's like, is this is this the vision of a
fly that I think we'll never know? I kind of

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don't want to know, but it's interesting. And then and
then we're taken into a very familiar place. It's it's
just two people chatting, getting to know each other and
having a conversation. We're not not anywhere near the fantastic yet.
And when we do start to go down that road,
it's not even introduced in a fantastic way.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
No, it's not. It's it seems very you know, you know,
it's it's a dinner party. It's it's something you would
normally see, like a Christmas party you would go to
at work. The whole interaction between Seth and Veronica. I
mean he's talking to her almost like he's trying to
pick her up.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh, he's trying to pick her up. There's no doubt
on that one. I mean, in his own weird way.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
The fact is he'd actually already picked her up. They
were dating when they did this movie.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
This is true.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
This is true. But yeah, it's it's interesting. You know,
he's talking about his work, he's trying to influence, to
influence her to come back to his place. Is it
just mir or does it seem like he's not really
trying to pick her up in a in a romantic way,
but more the lines of just trying to impress somebody.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
He's dying to talk about his work.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
He's been cooped up for a long time, and he's
just dying to show it to somebody, you know, and
I think to kind of impress them.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
I mean that was kind of the gist of it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, does he probably have some kind of attraction
to her, Sure, I mean, you know, at some level.
But I think it's more just like, look, I created
this really wonderful thing, and I'd love to show somebody,
but I can't I don't want to tell everybody because
the world's not ready for it yet. That was kind
of my take on it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I definitely got the feeling that he was I
wouldn't say so socially stunted, but you're definitely more interested
in telling somebody about it than necessarily telling a reporter. Eventually,
when he takes her back to his place to show
her the telepod, and I gotta say that was kind
of neat just to let's transport something that she owns
in this telepod so that she knows that it's hers.

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He was trying to get her tone dress.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think he was trying to just get a ranger
or necklace from her. But you know, let's face a Gina,
you dirty girl, like you know, who's seen that one coming?
So like got a little leg shot and then uh yeah,
I got a little bit of thigh high action there.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
But it wasting, I know.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, but I mean still, like, tell me, she wasn't
at that party, maybe looking for a little little little action.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
So it did seem like a parlor trick. It's like, oh,
give me an article of clothing. Sorry, man, I borrow
your watch. I'm gonna smash it. In this hanky and oh,
it's it's fine. Look I didn't harm your watch, and
it really did lend itself to being fake magic basically.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah. And then of course you know she has her
tape recorder and she's recording it. But is it just mirrord?
She knows that she didn't turn it on until like
after he did.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
That because she thought he was full of shit, right,
she didn't.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
She didn't tell him either.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, now she realized that something awesome was going on here,
She's like, here, let me turn this on and start
asking some some probing questions.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Right, and then she like stops the tape. But it's
like she just started recording it. So why did she
have to stop it, because I mean, she that much
of an airhead not realize that she had it on
the wrong side.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I think it's because she was so They weren't
at a party that was like a convention of sorts,
because you remember the reporter or her editors, like I
sent you to that you know whatever social mixer convention.
It wasn't really convention, but it was a meeting of
the scientific minds or something like that. I suppose you,
I don't know, whatever you want to call it. But

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so she probably had been recording other scientists because at
one point she tells Goldblum like, look, you know, or Brundle,
I should say, I got three other people.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
I got an interview tonight.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
So she's been walking around recording people talking back and
forth in moving So I think she only had so
much room in the tape and had to flip.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
It right away, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, Plus it moves the story along.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's a device to make him realize that she's a reporter,
because he even says that he didn't know that she
was a reporter. It's like, well, come on, it's pretty
obvious when she's right there asking you questions. You know,
what do you do?

Speaker 5 (14:46):
She said, I have three more interviews to do before
the evening's over.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Like, yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
I guess again, he's a scientist.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, let's face it, these guys, you know, they
don't pick up on a lot of social cues, you know.
I mean Big Bang will show you that all the
time too, when they send those four guys out there,
you know, they miss all kinds of social cues and
things like that that normal people would pick up on instantly.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, and a cute girl usually throws them for a loop.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
True truth. They had that whole direction. We see see
the telepod work for the first time, and you know,
it's pretty impressive. So she's like, well, I'm gonna go,
you know, tell my magazine editor. And then she takes off,
and he's adamant that he doesn't want her to write
this article. In fact, so adamant that the next thing
we see is it's obviously the next morning and she's
talking to her editor status. Jeff Goldblum shows up at

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her work and says, you know, hey, I really really
don't want you to write this article, and I've got
one magic word for you. And of course, you know,
the first thing I thought of was is he gonna
say please? No, he says cheeseburger, and they go out.
They go out to lunch, and that's where he kind
of throws down this deal to her, like, hey, you know,
don't write it, write about it. Now, come and record

(15:54):
my research and then after I transport myself, then you
can you can release a book on it.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
He's bribing her, Yeah, completely bribing here.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
You know, it starts with a tea, a cheeseburger, and
then you know before she knows that she's uh, she's
exploring the poetry of his steak, his tube steak.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Well, you know, there's a whole there's a whole eighties
montage in there.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's montage I haven't seen yet.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I do like the clothing store, there's a lot of
there's a lot of shoulder pads going on.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, there's all kinds of eighties goodness in this movie
for sure.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
And of course, you know, like I said, it's it's
a bit of an eighties montage where where you know,
they're they're they're testing different things with the telepod, and
you know, we get the first Baboon test subject, and that,
by far was pretty pretty gruesome. It definitely sticks with you.
And I think it was a ujoy that said it
looked like a horse turned inside out with not a hamburger.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, Like it didn't Like I didn't even get that.
You know, it's like, oh, this is, you know, a
sideways Babboon. Like it literally looked like maybe more it
looked more like a like a hamburger dog.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say like a greyhound dog or
something that's kind of like an inside out greyhound dog.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
But it's it's supposed to be like it's in the
fetal position.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I guess it was horrible though.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Plus it's inside out. Yeah, oh it's bad.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It is so gruesome looking. I mean that that makes
me cringe. And all the horse films we watched up
to this point for this podcast, I mean that was
just like, oh, oh, that's way too much.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
That's horrible.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I suspect that they may have used some real meat.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
There, yeah, probably, But it's the twitching. Yeah, it's the
twitching that you see in there that really sells it.
I mean by far, I mean you can throw a
lot of bone wrapped in I don't know, you know,
either you know, beef or throw some blood on there.
But man, when you got that stuff twitching like that
with the you know, coming off with this, with the
the you know, the basically the smoke or you know, it,

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just what a great effect that was.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I mean it really Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Again, it was that unnatural like a horse gallopy, but
it was supposed to be the final seizure of death.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think it just if you've ever seen an animal
hit by a car on the side of the road
or something, it reminds you of that, you know, I
mean that that's totally what that scene.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
You've seen it and it's just it's not good.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's a really cool effect that I think definitely still
holds up too, because they have it on camera just
long enough that you don't see how the sausage is
made basically.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, but it's super well lit up. I mean that's
the most amazing part. Like most time you do something
like that, you you kind of shade it up a
little bit because less is more, And here they're like,
we're gonna light this floor up. We're just gonna we're
gonna sell us all the way through and through, and
they did. Man, I mean it's lit up and it
looks horrible.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, it's a really great effect.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, today they would have probably shown shown it like
uh start to re materialize normal and then all of
a sudden split inside out. But you know, at the
same time, even if they did that with you know,
artists using CGI, we've seen so many unreal AI generated
images like going to like Nightmare Fuel and uh from

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the Uncanny Valley that I don't even think we'd be faced.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
No.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
I think I think they'd have to stick with something
that you know, looks wet and it's battery and it's twitching.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
It's amazing though.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I mean, if you think about this movie's from nineteen
eighty six and it's we're still talking about it like
it had that much effect on us even now.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Well, I think it's just it's something about the art
of the practical effect of it, because it still triggers
something to you when you see it. And I think
that's that's kind of what lost is lost in a
lot of today's CGI effects. You know, you don't get
the same triggered effect. You don't get the whole feeling
of reality in there.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And they really studied a lot of, you know, a
lot of stuff for this movie. For the practical effects.
I mean, even later on when we see, you know,
a brundle starting to turn into the fly, they studied,
you know, like people who have cancer and illnesses and
deformities and.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Things like that.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like they did their research this film and they try
to copy that to great effect. I think this bad
boon stems from that research that they did. Like they
they were able to reproduce it to the point that
even now, like Joy says versus CGI, hands down, this
is one of the more gruesome things I've seen in
a long time.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, we see the failed attempt of the baboon. You know,
it's pretty much establishes that he can teleport inanimate stuff,
and we get that long diatribe about him trying to
penetrate flesh, you know, flesh isn't understandable, and of course
he's just completely upset and Seth and Veronica wind up
sleeping together and he rolls over and he gets that
micro chip stuck in his back.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, it was like before I ever even stepped on
a lego. Jeff Goldbloom, let me know, Like, did you
guys ever play with your toys and like you fell
asleep and you woke up with like, you know, an
action figure glued to your fucking back. It was that
type of thing. And I was just like, even at
a young little kid age, I was like I totally
identified with like having this object stuck to my back.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I've actually gotten a circ chip stuck in me before,
so I know how it feels.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I think it's it's It's another thing about you know Cronenberg.
He's so good with like bodyhrror that you can take
a mundane thing and just make it feel like, oh
I can feel that I know what that feels like.
I don't. I don't know if I'm nitpicking, but it's
like it started out it looked like it was a
very small cut, and then as the movie progresses to
kind of help explain what's going on with Brindle, it

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seems like it's a bigger.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's a massive chip. I mean, I've worked with a
lot of circuit you know, I see chips before.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
That's a big chip.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
People's office, masty cut, and I think it was meant
to be a couple of slashes. So those are the
those are the seams on his skin, and so like
whatever's happening inside of him, it's gonna show through there
first because there's an opening. Okay, kind of like if
you've got a splinter and there's like no fucking way
you're getting that out something, you have to like cut
it out. And it's like he's already got the cut

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marks for things to come.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So genetic mutation takes the path of least resistance, is
what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Well, think of it like an ingrown hair. They're gonna
come out and the other one's gonna be underneath the skin,
like you know, festering and he becomes a festering fucking right.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It is interesting that though that they've they've had some
time they're cuddling, that she is able to inspire him
as to what to do. And of course the first
thing he does he takes he transports a steak and
I'm like, oh, that's a perfectly good steak. And he
cooks it, and you know, she basically tells him, oh, well,
it tastes synthetic. I don't know. I think this is

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where it kind of falls for me, Like, how does
he a because he does he de terms that he
wants to program the computer to understand flash it's too complicated.
But what's he doing to program it? I mean I
don't see like any drawing boards or anything to kind
of determine. Okay, I'm gonna make the computer now understand
you know steak. But I'm like, there's nothing there for
him to input into the computer.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
You needed more theoretical pseudoscience babble like Star Trek the
next generation.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yes, yeah, I want. I wanted some white boards up
on the up everywhere.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
They needed that mouse character like they had in the Matrix,
who was like, you know, look, you're your brain thinks
at steak, but maybe it tastes like chicken. How do
we know? How does the computer know that, you know,
steak doesn't actually taste like chicken. Chicken actually taste like steak.
So yeah, Captain the crystals can't take much more all
of this. Yeah, it was. And not only that, but

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he transports a steak, kicks it up, and he's like, here,
want you to eat this? I'd be like, no, thank you, no, no.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
What do you think they did to make it kind
of look different? Do you think they kind of boiled
it or something?

Speaker 5 (23:28):
I think they boiled it.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, although I did like how you know, after he
after she tastes his steak, she like sets that aside.
She grabs the real good steak and keeps eating it.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, that's what I would do too, like.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then, of course you know I didn't. I didn't
miss a part in between there was So she ends
up talking to her editor again after she spends that
first night, and uh, I think that's where we kind
of get the more of the understanding that they've been
in a relationship, which makes us an interesting little like
love triangle. But it's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I mean Staphis is just an asshole. I mean,
let's face it. I mean, there there's no triangle really there.
I mean he thinks there's a triangle, but it's it's
not even a relationship. It's just you know, like let's
let's let's just be convenient, you know, friends with benefits
or whatever. And she's like, you're a pig, get out
of my face, you know. And but like he's he's

(24:28):
the dude like, you know, I'm going to show up
your apartment and you know there's nothing you can do
about it that give me the Key's like nah, I
think I'll keep it, and stuff like he's just he's
such an arrogant bastard, and you know, she's kind of
powerless to stop him, and and he he lets the
jealousy of that situation follow him through throughout this film.
I mean, although i mean at some level he still

(24:50):
cares about her, obviously, but still it's just he's kind
of an overall.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Just jerk about It's kind of a psychos boyfriend. But
he also was rat he knew she was into him before.
I think she really knew that she was gonna let
him into her.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, good point.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
He's Yeah, he was stalking. That's when he did that.
He pulled the ship showing up at her apartment. He
was trying to turn that shower. Oh, she's gonna find
me in the shower and see my you know me,
And then she's gonna be like, she's gonna be like
old times.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Do a little windmill action there, and she's just gonna
like give Oh, I forgot what I'm missing right now.
Plus he's dirty.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Two, I need a shower.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Oh you put it like that. Why don't you watch
it by yourself first?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Oh my goodness, I'm having I'm having flashbacks to our
north By Northwest episode. You know, it is interesting that
he's kind of the tipping point for the movie. If
he wasn't in the movie, then I don't think Seth
would have gone into the pod when he did. I mean,
he's kind of like the trigger for the entire second

(25:57):
part of the movie.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean he is, because I mean, let's face it,
Brundle doesn't know like how to deal with us again.
He's socially stunted and awkward. It's it's weird the way
they write his character because they make him kind of charming,
like he's almost got game, but then they try to
play him off as the typical kind of a typical

(26:18):
scientist that doesn't really have game, doesn't pick up in
social cues because yes, that's really like is this relationship
now or is that what we're doing? You know kind
of and it's Jeff go bloo me kind of way
and things like that. So that may be the only
problem to this film is there's a little bit of
inconsistency when it comes to the love as you said,
the love story, like her kind of jumping into bed

(26:38):
with him quickly, the ex boyfriend already being jealous, him
kind of being charming and like he's got game but
not really having game and not understanding the rules of
what's going on.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
And then and then now's he handle it.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
He thinks that she's with him, so he gets drunk
and godly can't handle his alcohol because they don't drink
that much. And then of course, you know what do
we know with alcohol? It makes you do dumb things,
and that's what he does.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, but you know he doesn't, he doesn't do it
until after she like walks on the apartment because of
that magazine or the magazine cover that she received from
from the editor. So I think if Status didn't send
that to her, then I don't think all the events
would would happen as they did.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh no, if there would be no fly movie at all,
for sure, because he would have waited for the monkey.
They would have went on the vacation and it would
have been done.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
But and I'm sorry, but it's not like the guy
drake a fifth of Jack Daniels or something. I mean,
what was that, like champagne or wine? I mean, I'm
not sure if he drank that whole bottle by himself.
He he's that inebriated to the point of making such
a bad decision that wrong.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
I mean, maybe he's just that much of a lightweight.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But you know, like that guy wasn't like blackout drunk
on tequila. He's like, I was getting the telephone. I'm
sure I'm going to transport myself over.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
She'd go to miss it all.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
You know, he was having a conversation with an eight.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, he was talking to the bad I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
He had a lot of conversations with that baboon before
and afterwards, you know, And where's he can't know all
these babboons. That's the other question, Like, I'm sorry, but
babboons are us? I mean, where do you pick those
things up at? They're not just you know, at any
pet store in town.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Well, how did he get all the other you know
things like he was having guys building lasers and shit
like that. He obviously knows some people who know some people.
And all I could think about as an adult having
seen you know, Tiger King and what was the other one,
chimp crazy? Is him just drinking and talking to that
baboon was the most dangerous thing he did in the

(28:35):
fucking movie, because any time it could have just said,
you know what, let me eat your fucking face. There's
nothing he could do about it.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I didn't think about that as well. I'm like, anytime
now that Mucky could just go over and just, you know,
like rip his entire face off. I'm just I can't
believe Safus wants to rip his face off. But I
can't believe we glossed over the best line of the
whole fucking movie. Well, they're at the department store. You
know that looks like it's out of you know, an
episode of Seinfeld where whatever place Jay Peterman yeah, they're

(29:08):
at Jay Peterman anyhow, she says, you know, you don't understand.
I've stumbled upon something big. You his cock, that's the
that's fucking part.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I remember rewinding and playing that, and rewinding and playing that.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Uh, only you, Joey, only you can prevent forest fires.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
But you know that's what he gets for sitting outside
of the guy's house all night, saying you stayed there?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, forever.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
People are getting up running the fly and they're having
to go over and mess with the tracking during that
scene because Joyce just more the entire tape out right there.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, so yeah, so anyway back to back to South
so Seth, you know, he's drunk and like you said,
he decides to tellboard himself. And it's interesting because they
established the fly in the room before it actually is
seen going in the in the telepod because I don't
know if you guys caught that with it's like flying
around the baboon, yeah, because you hear it.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's subtle at the beginning, like you just hear a
little bit of buzzy and it gets more dramatic and
then you finally see it messing with the baboon.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Had he not been drinking, he might have like looked
around the pod like a little bit more closely or something.
The babboon was literally like, yeah he was. I'd like
to know how they did that. It's like I had
a fly fucking wrangler. I'm gonna have to like look
at on the credits. And then I was like, all right,
just put like, you know, three or four flies next
to the baboon. I'm just gonna wait until like he
just naturally he's like what the fuck is this? Swats

(30:32):
it away and it had to show up on camera too,
So it was probably a big bot fly or some shit.
It probably wasn't a normal house fly at least for
like when you know it's interacting with that babboon.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Here's my two theories. So maybe that was a horse
fly that they put in. Then maybe they had like
a glass petitions around him that you couldn't quite see.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
They have a bowl you can't see because you're seeing glass.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Through, right, And then you know a horse flies, man,
those things always come at you like they're aggressive. So
maybe that was and it would show up and camera. Well,
but the fly in that they show inside the actual pod.
It's in that little tube window, right, And so if
they put the fly in there and then they seal
it on each end with with you know, a cover.
Now that flies in there, you're gonna get your shot.

(31:12):
You just put the camera on there long enough to
wait for you to get your shot. That's how I
would have done it.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
It's still expensive to shooting on a thirty five millimeters
or not uh not video. Oh no, they were shooting
on Sony Beta Max. I seen the camera. Oh that's right.
The baboon like you know, maybe he just he it
could it kind of took care of itself because he
was you know, had been playing with his own ship,
and the fly was just naturally attracted to him because
he was covered in it.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Now there you go.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Maybe he wanted to grab the fly and stick it
up his rear and then go.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Oh man, you've just taken it far too far.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
That was that was a chimpanzee video.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Sorry my space meme.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah. So so he you know, he gets he's teleported,
and and he doesn't think anything of that. I mean,
he sees it as his success. And then of course,
you know, he falls asleep. He was nice enough to
record it though, so that when Veronica or Ronnie comes back,
he tells her, oh, hey, you know what, I transported
myself and I took a video of it. I figared
she'd be a lot lot angrier than she was.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, I think that established is that she actually cares
about him more than the story. You know, like, what
were you thinking you could have hurt yourself rather than
you know, I'm just in this for the scoop and
then I'm outdoor, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
She also revealed that Stapf has groomed her. He was
teaching at her college. Oh yeah, and she switched to
being like a journalism major or whatnot. And then he's
been boning her ever since. So stahs didn't age.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, no, no, And if you watch fly too, you
know that he really doesn't age well. So then in
the wee hours of the morning, we see that something
has changed and seth and you know he's able to,
like you hear that flye buzzing around in the apartment,
and he's able to like do a mister Miyagi or
Daniel Son and like catches it mid air. Of course,
he like gets up in the middle of the night

(32:53):
and he's now doing like gymnastics. I had to look
it up. I mean, did Jeff did Jeff Goldbloom do
high school gnostics or something? No, they hired a stunt double.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
They actually had gendas in there doing it, and I
guess that they wore them out. They war them down
a note, because you know Jenna's practice that stuff. They
do like a one shot for the competition, then they're done.
Then it usually have to like repeat it over and
over and over and over again, and that they just
they couldn't even perform it after a certain point because
they had him doing it so many times for filming.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, Joey, what do you think of of the sudden
transformation in SETH?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, I think you guys really overlooked the side boob
we get from Geena Davis wearing a guy's shirt, which
is my second favorite part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, you know, I'm relying on you to point out
all the all the gratuitous points of this movie.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I mean, you gotta. I can't wait till this gets
a proper four K release because I'm convinced that I'm
not quite sure if I saw nipple or not.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I'm pretty sure it's Gena Davis you're not seeing any
I can almost guarantee it.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
What what's her other best titty.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Movie Transylvania sixty five thousand, and what is that.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Have in common with this?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
They're both in it together, that's correct, yes, But what's
what's the third movie they're in together?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Oh? Earth Girls are easy?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, they did it. They did trifecta together.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
So yeah, I'm watching the gymnastics right now and they're
fucking insane, but they do. They did shoot it in
the dark and it's at a distance. But that's probably
another thing that's good that will probably get ruined for
me on four K, where I'll say, oh, that's that's
definitely not Cheff coldb.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, I think it was a pretty good body double
for him. Plus Jeff Gobloom. He must have he looks jacked. Yeah,
he must have dehydrated himself and worked out.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, they took like a couple of weeks off and
he like did fucking push up some ship.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, and they probably like, you're gonna take a shirt off, man,
don't drink water for like three days.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Even when he when he comes out of the telepot
and the and the babboon jos up on him you
can see like, you know, he's got like an eight pack.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, yeah, he looks good when that babboon jumps on
him when he comes out of the teleporter. Then I'm like,
I started having like memories of like, oh, when you're
playing outside in the summer, you know, you get the
hose and everything and the dog and stuff, and then
you know, the dog comes up and jumps on you
and you feel the hairy dog like, you know, on
your chest. That's the first thing I thought of, was

(35:11):
like that bab Boon just jumped onto him. It was
like an animal jumping onto your you know, shirtless body.
Is like, that's a weird icky feeling too, and just
I don't know, this is this is a movie with Ikey.
It inspires like memories of Ikey feelings and it gives
you all new icky memories to cherish forever.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I'm not gonna lie, Joey. I was a little scared
where you're going with that story.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna say you had a wet dog jump
on you. No, I think I think we're triggering some
of Joey's you know, repressed memories from childhood. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
No, I did not get humped by a dog.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It hasn't come out yet anyway, stay tuned.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So then we see we definitely see it at the
start of the transformation with Seth. I mean, his whole
attitude started to change. I mean he's he's convinced that
the telepot has made him a better human and bean
and he's trying to talk for Veronica into into going
into the telepod to to become like the perfect couple.
I think that's kind of where we start to see

(36:10):
like really ramps up with the body horror and just
the metamorphosism of the Seth character. And I thought it
was neat that she's trying to get those hairs off
of his back, so she like uses a pair of
scissors and it sounds like a pair of snips you
used for like cutting wire. And I was like, wow,
that's that is a very impressable sound.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
That's another psychological physical thing watching the movie, because I
think at that point I had already gotten my first
stitches as a kid, And basically I think that's what
they used for the prop was like they were cutting suitures.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Ah, that would make sense, that would make sense. Well,
And there's other those subtle things to do, like when
they're at the coffee shop talking about it too. They
play up the whole sugar thing where he's just dumping
the sugar and dumping the sugar in which you don't
really you know, think about. But I mean, that's a
lot of bugs. Sugar water is what they go after.
And what other movie do we see that and where
that's prominent?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Do you guys remember her and water Men in Black?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah? Yeah, Egar Egar asked for that sugar in water?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
So do you normally take sugar with your coffee?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
And that guy is amped up while he's talking to
he's just talking a mile a minute.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
You know, it's just and.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
This is another movie where he all right, I get
to use my uh silverware again he pounds the table.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Uh. And this episode's fully was done by Joey we
like to think, we like to thank him as for
the credits for all the fully thisce evening.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I mean, and I gotta admit too that, like, I mean,
some of the stuff that he's spewing out, I mean
kind of semi technical in that where Jeff going bloom
away and he's doing it fast. I mean, you know,
it's very easy to trip up in some of that
dialogue and he doesn't I mean, I don't know. They
could have done a lot of takes, but it seems
pretty effortless and flawless. I mean, he does a really
nice delivery and some rather complex, you know dialogue.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
And do you think that he just drank a lot
of coffee in the car coffee shop or do you
think it was in a more conventional eighties way of
getting amped up.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You think it might have been all coked. Maybe both.
Maybe he's like, you know, here, I have a little,
you know, a little coke with my coffee.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
So yeah, easy, Jeff, you've got a big nose there,
Just take a both, Just take.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
A both.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
His whole arm.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Don't guy worried about blowing your nose out when you
got that much you know, area to work with in there?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
So but not eating a powdered donut.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
But yeah, so, uh, the body horror kind of kind
of starts to creep in. You can kind of see
it in the next couple of scenes after, you know,
Seth and Veronica are you know, sleeping together a lot,
to the point where like Veronica can't keep up with
him because he's like a fly. It seems like he's
got a limited time to make.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's a sexothon for sure, for sure, And you.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Can kind of see his face is starting to get
kind of weird too, like it's it's kind of hasty,
and he's almost got these like little bumps happening, and it's.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
From the sugar he's it's exactly he broke up.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's almost like he's getting liver spots all over his face,
you know, and uh yeah, And it really becomes apparent
when he heads to the bar.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Next yeah, yeah, because you know, he and Veronica I
have a fight and so he just storms out and
heads over to a bar. He says he's gonna find
a better a better mate. To this day, I always
think of this movie and Over the Top whenever I
think about arm wrestling, and I gotta say, I really
think this is another cool effect that holds up is
when he arm wrestles that guy in the in the bar.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
A friend of mine was at a arm wrestling match
a llah over the Top. He was recording with his little,
you know, handheld camcorder, and yes, someone broke the other
guy's arm and he said he freaked him out so
much he like put the camera down and stopped recording
and he's like, fuck man, He's like, I could have

(39:56):
sold that footage. I could have sold that.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Did it? Did it like break the skin like it
did in the in the in the it was.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
A complex fracture. I don't know any of the details
in that because he didn't get to record it, and
it's secondhand information. Gotcha, I think I brought up the
fly and he's like, yeah, pretty much like that, but
there was like way more blood.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Well, and this was such a great effect too.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I mean when you watch this, I mean they picked
they had that big guy do it, so when you
see him put that arm down, it's a little beef
you're looking then normal, but I mean you still kind
of don't think much about it, you know, and you
watch that whole scene, them going back and forth, and
it was such an easy effect because when the guy
flicks his wrist back, it's like a switchblade. There's an
extra appendage that they built into his arm, and when

(40:40):
he pushes that thing back, that bone flies through that
skin like switchblade, like it just that comes out and
looks like it's broke. So it was really really well
done and it's gruesome and they get the camera on
it for you know, several seconds. Again, like you know,
they they weren't afraid to show it because these effects
were so well done and they looked so realistic that
it really stood good lighting more than just a brief

(41:05):
glimpse with the camera.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I would bet money that they probably the original cut
to show to the MPAA. They probably had that arm
break thing going for like a whole fucking minute and
they're like, no way, And then they bring in the
real edit where it was always going to be a
few seconds so it would sell the effects better. I
had to happen in this, which also brings up the

(41:27):
point we do miss out on some of the special effects.
There was a whole nother stage with Goldbloom that we
don't see in his transformation where he decided to take
a baboon and a cat and throws him in a
fucking telepod and then it comes out the other side
and like and then he beats it to death. And
in that, beside it being ridiculous, you got to see

(41:47):
a whole nother like in between of Brundle Fly that
was really cool. And all we have is like really
shitty VHS quality dailies.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, but you lose a lot of sympathy for your
character when he beats something to death with a lead
pie it. I can see why they cut that out.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
So gross that it's like it was mercy.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It was mercy, Yeah, it is, but it's just the
idea that you know, what went in there to begin with.
And I can see, you know, the audience being like,
he didn't have to do that, and even though it
may be gruesome, you know what he's beating to death
and why he's doing it. So I think that was
probably a good call. Unlike you know, again back to
this arm one where I don't think there was a
lot of blood in this. I think they just really

(42:26):
like focused on the bone and a little bit of
the inside of the arm to really focus, you know,
like to really sell it. It wasn't like when that bone
came flying out, he splattered, you know, across the room
with blood.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
So I think it would have been a neat effect.
You know, like Eric Idyl from European Vacation where he
just like hold his hand up and he's squirting blood
out of his artery. I think that'd be a neat
little effect, you know, have this arterial spray spray across
the bar.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Yeah, but you see it in so many movies.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Maybe it was better that they didn't, because I think
it's sold better that way. You know, it's a shock
value of seeing the bone so much, where normally you
would just see all that blood it would be covering
the effect. Here you see the actual bone in the
open wound and less blood. So I thought that was
way more traumatic.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
H Yeah, in real life, if you get hurt really
bad and you die immediately instantly, there's less blood than
a guy who gets injured really bad and he's totally
gonna be okay, and his heart's just bumping that fucking
blood and.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It should again, because that guy was freaking out. I
mean he's like, he's just screaming. I mean, he should
have been flailing it everywhere. But I agree with you, man,
it should have been. But I'm kind of glad they didn't.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, I remember, I think my brother was like or
maybe he was my best friend. Like somebody said that,
like he sound like he was squealing like a pig,
and I think that's I think that's when I learned
about there's some scene in Deliverance where a guy squeals
like a pig Or says, squeal Piggy. Before I even
knew the movie Deliverance existed because of the way that
guy reacted when his arm got broken.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
He's like, gotcha, yeah, And of course, you know, after
beating the guy arm wristling, he then, you know, Seth
picks up Tawny, which was one of the guy's girlfriends.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Literally and Edie runs up all the stairs with her.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
He yets it right up, yeah, which is funny because
you know pretty sure that he has a freight elevator,
but yet he still picks her up and carries her
up the stairs.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
All right, Tawny or Geena Davis.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I gotta know, I'm going Geena Davis.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, kind of looks a little rough in the bar,
like she only looks a good certain light.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I'm gonna just say it out loud, yeah to me,
like she looked rough at the bar, looked better in
his loft, but she has moments of not looking so good.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Do you think they got inspired by Tesla who used
to like expose himself to like electricity because he felt
like it was therapeutic for him. And then he starts like, oh,
I'm gonna tramp teleport my fucking self again.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think he just thinks he's getting more and more
stronger each time he teleports because he doesn't realize it's
a fly that's doing this to him. He thinks it
is the teleporter and that that's what it made him
feel like this. So if he keeps doing it, I
think it it's it's it's it becomes a drug. The
more I do it, the better I'm gonna feel.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, he should this chick be afraid of him, because
this would were around the time where one of the
signs that and she probably thought this even when Geena
Davis person and says be afraid, be very afraid. This
guy has got sores, and that was one of the
like untreated HIV into aids, those of the symptoms is

(45:27):
that you know he's around, going around fucking people and
he's got sores all over him.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
That was the first thing I thought about.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna back up, and
I agree with him. I think he was he was
viewing it as a drug because I mean, he wanted
Geena Davis to go in in the telepot too, so
that it can get rid of all of her. You know,
poor genetic stuff. But then keep keep the superior stuff.
You know, he was he was, he was trying to
become more and improve himself more and more. And uh

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then that's of course when he's scares Tony because you know,
now he wants to put Tony through the whole thing,
thinking that this is, you know, a purification.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
That that's a good analogy because he definitely acts like
a fucking crazy drug addict in that scene.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, punching a.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Well, I don't know what you say. It wasn't a doorway.
It was just like the door jam, kitchen wall door jam. Yeah,
door jam, blusts it off.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, And of course thanks to Geena Davis, she basically
saves Tawny.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Did Tawny get pregnant? What I want?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Do you think that maybe there could have been a
Fly three because obviously Fly two takes place after this
movie and it focuses on the on the pregnancy of
Geena Davis. Could there have been a Fly three with
with Tawny's pregnancy.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Oh definitely, she would have. She would have done the
talk show circuit with that fly baby. Jerry Jerry, Jerry, girl,
you slept with that man and now you got a
fly baby. You should put that fly baby out of
its misery. And she'd be like, fuck you, this is
my baby. I ain aboard my baby. And then there's
some religious guy he's like, that's right. This baby has

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been baptized. This fly baby, even though he is on natural,
it is a child of God, and it hits hold
on the nose.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
And then like the Treehouse of Horse Bart Simpson where
he's got the flyhead that he's just marched around to
the stage.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Good point, that's so many things at parody of this. Yes,
it's like the Bart Simpson fly but he goes instead,
he goes, I do what I want, like cartman on
Ricky Lake.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
And then and then he grows up to uh to
be a sideshow for the in living color and he's
it's it's the fly kid with the fly girls.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yes, yes, I wanted to see that, you know, I
wanted to see j Lo at her big bootyist and
dancing right next to that that that little like Bart
Simpson fly guy. Right, that's probably the two ninetiest things
you could get the early nineties is you got fly
ahead Bart Simpson, a big booty j Lo dancing with

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the fly girl.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
So you know, Veronica saves Tawny and and she heads
out and again Seth and Veronica have a spat and
h so she leaves, and then it's a couple of
weeks later and he gets she gets a call from
Seth uh to to basically come back and see him.
And then that's where we get the further transformation of Seth.

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You can see that he's now walking around with two
canes and and he's he's now discovered that this this
problem that he has is more.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Like a cancer's leprosy.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, and so she basically comes back to kind of
record his descent from being fly, being brindled to this
new form of brindle fly. We get to see a
really cool effect that kind of reminded me of our
the last episode of the last episode were recorded where
we talked about Nightmare and Elm Street where he's walking
on the ceiling.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
That's exactly how they did it. It's another I just
saw behind the scenes thing only for a second. And
it was a rotating room.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, actually it was a it was a ferris wheel
that built the room on a ferris wheel like instead
of having the full rotating room like they did. And
I think they would rotate the ferris wheel that they
built the room on, and this one was my understanding.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah huh. Either way, I thought it was a really
cool effect because I don't walking into somebody's house and
seeing the mess and then realize, oh, hey, you're up
on the ceiling. That would be kind of freaky. And
you know, you can definitely see that he's he's even
getting his whole body's getting far worse.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Oh how it's freaking I'm dancing on the season.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And of course, you know, along with the with walking
on the walls, we also get we had to learn
how brindle fly eats. And I think I think it's
kind of funny how he's he's recording it like a
documentary they're going to show children, and then they cut
away from it. But you can hear it when Stanish
is watching the video. And I don't know about you guys,

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but just hearing it made it made it sound really
really bad.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Well, it was just a continuation of him barfing on
the doughnut, except like he's showing how he sucks it up.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
I loved his ear falling off. I don't think i'd
see someone walk with two canes again. Until a little
later in the nineties with uh not Nightfall, but uh
was it Night's nd Night's Uh what's the sequel to Nightfall?
Where after Baine broke Bruce Wayne's back.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oh, night Quest, Yeah, night Quest.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
He goes from like wheelchair to like walking with two
canes and that broken back and that that's all I
could think of when I saw that, I was like, oh,
brundle fly.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I think the thing about the the fly vibit stuff, though,
is that you're not expecting it right, Like he kind
of does it that first time out of nowhere.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
He's like talking.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
As soon as it came next to his face, he
instinctively barfed on it.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, like you just you didn't see it coming, Like
you had no idea he was about to do that.
It's not like later when he's like, oh, look, we're
gonna see how bundle fly.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
It's like it just he just does it.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
And the repulse of this that you see on Ronica's face,
I mean that, I mean that goo that they used.
I think it was like when I read it was
like honey, eggs and milk. I mean it's just like
that is just nasty.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I mean, honey, eggs and milk.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Yeah, so it's just really gross to look at.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I mean, you know it's again they've timed it really well.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
They just you had no idea it was coming.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, I think I think that's the editing in this
movie too, is the big help for for Corona brings
like he seems to use the effects of just the
right amount of time.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And he paces it well. I mean, the pacing of
the movies really well. And not only did they do
a lot of research into how it looks for somebody
to you know, these deformities and and and wounds and
things like that, but they researched what it's like to
be somebody who has a deadly disease and what they're

(51:59):
going through. Like he read a lot of diaries about
what people went through, and he presents it in the
same way, like how does Brindle find out that he,
you know, something's wrong in the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
That's how a lot of people discover.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
You're in the bathroom all of a sudden you find
that lump or that spot or that you know, weird
mole that you didn't have before or something like that. Like,
and so he takes a lot of the stuff like
I said, and it's things that you've seen in your
normal everyday life, or you've experienced with somebody you know
of his experience, or you've seen a movie about it,
and and it it it just he encompasses that into

(52:34):
the sci fi movie so effectively, so you know, and
then he kind of journals it just like they would.
They're journal like a lot of those people journal like,
this is what I went through when this was happening,
and this is the different things I seen that happen.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
And he does that with with you know, with Brundle.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I mean it even it even goes back to like
we did it that last one where we get the
five stages with this too. I mean, he definitely, you know,
he he has you know, Brenda has a lot of
problems dealing with this. I mean, he goes through all
the typical stuff. He goes through the anger and the

(53:11):
you know, the acceptance and the bargaining and all that
kind of stuff, the five stages of that stuff. So
I mean, it's it's there, and it's it's again something
that we can all relate to.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
How about you, Joey, did did you feel that way
when from the bathroom scene, like when you found that
third ball.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
No, if I was run to fly, I think I
would have I would have figured it out when I
accidentally pulled off my pug. I want to say that
this inspired somebody because I want to say that Fangoria
Films did something. I think it's called a zombie the
Chronicles of Pain, And if I remember correctly, this guy,
you know, is like a conscious zombie in his body's decaying,

(53:47):
and eventually I think he's in the bathroom pulling on
himself and he accidentally pulls off his pecker. What's another one,
Tails from the Dark Side? Uh? You very young Christian
Slater is uh having like uh has an abusive stepfather
or grandfather or something like that, and he's dying and
then he sneezes and his nose comes off in the hanky.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Oh I remember that one, dude. That's totally freaky.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
There's a lot of these, like, you know, things falling
off and movies.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I mean, heck, even the even the movie with Ben
Affleck Daredevil. You know, after he gets into the fight
and he's in the shower and he pulls his own
teeth out. It's not because he's transforming, just because he
got you know, beat up.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Teeth is a thing. Yeah, because everybody had baby teeth.
They can all identify with you know, your teeth coming out.
What's the Stephen King movie dream Uh dreamer, Yeah, with
the ship parasite coming out of his ass. He dies
in the toilet. It's trapped in the toilet.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
I'm all right, man, I just I just gotta pass
some gas. I'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
I think it's these any that's where body order, body odors,
there's that too, body horror comes into play. We all
went through Pubert, we all went through an awkward stage.
We've all been injured, We've all been around somebody else
maybe they got injured or was going through something, and
we've all been horrified by something that's happening to us

(55:13):
or happened to us.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
So that's where I think body horror really hits a
nerve with so to speak, with the audience, is because
there's something in it that like just almost what's the
word instinctive, Like what's what would you would you like
you have instincts and you're like, er, right.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, I think that's that's another good segue into what
happens next, because you know this is about the time
when Veronica discovers that she's pregnant with cess baby, and
we get that really disturbing dream sequence. And I don't
know if you guys caught it, but did you see
who the delivery doctor was when she dreams that she's
having a miscarriage. It's Kronenberg, right, yep, Yeah, David Cronenberg

(55:55):
makes a cameo in his own movie, but you don't
see his face because he's wearing a mask.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Often people say that, you know, the director's film is
his baby, So there you go.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Makes sense, you know. And this, this is definitely not
a scene that you want to watch. The pregnant moment.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I don't think you want to that scenes that's almost
worse than a bad boon, Like they really hold that
thing up for a while too. It's like I don't
need to see No, don't need to see it.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
No, Nope, Nope.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
That was probably the most animatronic looking, but like the
grimiest looking large maggot I've ever seen in my entire life.
I mean, it takes the maggots from Doctor Who the
Green Death and puts them to shame.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
I remember it being a lot slimier and scarier on
VHS when I was little. I don't know, so it's
still fucking growth.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
We talked about the leeches on you know, on African Queen.
This is right up there with me, Like maggots are
one of the other things I just can't handle life
like that. It's just something about them that just repulses
me to to.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Know, to know it.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I mean, it's just they are disgusting, loathsome creatures. And
I seen that giant maggot like no, no, no, done, nope.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
I just don't need to ever see that again. It
was horrible.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
I found my thesaurus and it ties right into this.
It's primal. It's it's like at these primitive primal urges,
it's like seeing a giant writhing maggot, right, seeing insects,
seeing something happening into your body like you get an
infection or whatever. It's like it's really it's bothering us

(57:33):
on a level that is genetic.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Which works with the whole movie, because I mean he's
changing on a genetic level.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Correct, and it's fucking with us in in you know,
a subconscious way that like we were born with it.
Like there's certain things like we see more shades of
green than any other color. And that's because we used
to be able to have to, like, you know, tell
what's what's amongst the woods in the green age, so

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we could watch out for predators.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Right, and you know, speaking of predators and animals and stuff.
So after her dream, that's obviously when Veronica goes back
to Seth because she she knows that she wants to
get this to get this baby out of her, she
wants she wants an abortion, and so he goes to
see her one last time to say goodbye. And it's
it's interesting the whole interchange between the two because I

(58:23):
got the impression that he kind of knew that she
was pregnant, because he kind of tells her, you know,
I want to be I want to be an insect politician,
but you know, you don't have insect politicians because there's
no politics. And with insects, you know, he's channeling that
the insect inside of him in the matter of you know,

(58:44):
survival of the fittest.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
He could have sensed the child in her too, because
he seems like he sensed that fly buzzing around when
he grabbed it, and he didn't kill it.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Either, exactly. So I think he's he's trying to let
her know that, Hey, I'm going to maintain my dominance
and I might end killing this this child inside of you,
So go away, don't come back.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, but is it a dominant thing.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I think it's a savagery thing because I mean, I know,
I think I'll give it a fly far more credit
than it deserves.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
I mean, it's it's a bug.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I mean, I don't know how much thinking a fly
does in life. I mean, you know, if it did,
it wouldn't be laying on a ship all the time.
Let's put it that way. It's very smart, you know.
But I think it's I think it goes back to
a joyce.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
It's primal.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I think it's just like, look the the bugs working out.
There are no politics in bug's life. There's just the
primal that, you know. So you need to leave because
soon I'm not going to be able to, you know,
to suppress these primal urges anymore. All I'm going to
want to do is just bad things.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
Now, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
It's affecting his thoughts.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, fly, I mean it's such a weird bug to
choose that with. Because flies aren't exactly going out and
destroying other bugs or doing anything like that. I mean,
they're just looking to find something stinky the leg they're
exit and then die. If it had been a praying mantis,
far it would make far more sense in that regard
of being a primal you know, a apex bug predator

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that you know, really wants to destroy things. So it's weird,
but I'm still gonna give it because it's a fly
and it probably only has some very low level primal
thought process, like it just really has a goal impulse.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yeah there is, yeah, yeah, and he's probably feeling that
stronger maybe than some of his logical thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Now, yeah, the fly is dying on I think he
says that, you know, he's like, you know this, I
was once a fly that wanted to be a man,
and now the man's no, you know, it is no
longer a man but a fly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So I think it's kind of like that was I
didn't get that quote quite right, but it's something along
those lines, and uh, I think that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
He meant, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
It just it's just I'm I'm losing control, I'm losing
my humanity, right because I think.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
There's isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Is there even a deleted scene somewhere in one of
them where he attacks a bag lady and then like
starts to basically go up her face and stuff, and
he's getting ready to like eat her face off, and
then like his humanity kind of kicks back in and
then he realizes, like, oh, this is horrible, like I
can't do this or whatever. I believe there's a scene

(01:01:14):
out there like that. I'm not one hundred percent sure,
but I thought I read about it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
I don't know, but I am pausing it on the
contents of his medicine cabinet behind the mirror. I can't
tell if I'm looking. He's got all his fingers right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
They start merging, they start merging together.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Okay, so I'm looking at what's either his finger or
his penis hiding behind his ear in the jar.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, I saw that larger page, slightly large appendage in
the in the jar. I wasn't quite sure.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
There's a ball too. I think I think some one
of this is clearly just a hot dog. You could
see where he's They're like, fuck it, it's good. Bite
off the end of his hot dog. I was gross.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I think The brilliant thing they did is they decided
how this creature was going to look at the end,
and they backwards engineered how they needed to make the
costume look as they went along.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
So it really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Lends to, you know, the total metamorphosis from beginning to end.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
And it's it's a really cool metamorphosis that he's ed
he's going through. I mean, they they did some really
cool makeup effects. You know. I didn't do enough research
on the movie as far as like oscars and technical stuff,
but I am curious if it got any nominations or
nods with makeup effects, because there's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
A movie, just one which clearly clearly was fucking inspired
by the end of this film, with the ending of
their film, The Substance, and it just won Best Makeup gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I haven't seen that movie yet. I'm kind of
I'm kind of itching to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
That movie realizes what brundle Fly's dream was. But Geena Davis,
you know, didn't get to go along with it. You know,
he wanted to, you know, say hey, like, you know, you,
me and baby Brundlefly and we're all become one. That's
literally the last the substance without spoiling anything, and it
becomes a trouma movie in its last moments.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
No nice Yeah, So speaking of the baby, so you know,
Veronica's like, I want to get this thing on me,
and so she goes back downstairs and she's talking to
Status and you can see you can get a quick
cut of Seth up on the roof as he overhears everything.

(01:03:23):
And then that's of course, when Veronica and Statis go
to the doctor to have her abortion, and I gotta
I gotta say, I thought it was really neat that
he jumped through Like Seth follows them to the doctor's
office and he manages to jump through glass block to
rescue her. Now, I don't know if you guys ever
laid glass rock, but that's some pretty thick and heavy

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stuff to work with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
We had a little bit of glass block in a
weird spot going from like a basement boys restroom to
the outside of our Catholic old cat school. It's now
been torn down, And every time I looked at that
glass block, I thought of this fucking movie. And uh,
I gotta say, I think this was in the trailer,

(01:04:11):
or at least the advertisements him him busting through because
they don't. They didn't show you a whole lot, but like,
because he's eclipsed by you know, the thing that he's
busting through. That that's what part of the fly they
did show you in the advertisements.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Right, Well, I thought they also had a scene of
him like walking on the ceiling.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Maybe, but they they you guy had to learn a
lot by watching the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, so, Tim, you got any thoughts on him breaking
the glass?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Hey, no, I mean it's not to say there. I mean,
he's he's obviously got super strength. He busted the guy's
arm off almost, you know what I mean. So that's
a given fly. Apparently flies are strong.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I did enjoy the quasi modo moment where he's looking
down from the building though down her. You know, it's
just like wow, that's a very Disney moment and it's
in the weirdest way possible. But uh, yeah, I mean
the thing that struck me more is not that it
came through the glass, took her and left, but it
took those guys so long because they just walked in
the other room and all of a sudden, you know,

(01:05:15):
he busted the girl ass, grabs her and then runs
out and leaves, and then they're like, oh what happened?
And it's just like, what do you guys in there
relax and watching the show before you're going to perform
this procedure?

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I wanted to see the doctor's reaction because he has
no fucking clue what's happening. I mean, even you know,
the asshole ex boyfriend kind of has an idea based
on what she's he watched the eating video, right, Yeah,
with the doctor, I want to we should have you could.
You had a very great opportunity for comedy there where

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he would have been like what the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Right do you think for a moment when she's like, look,
I want this thing out and he's like, well, well,
you know I understand that, but like, you know, what
was a midnight or whatever. Do you think it was
like him being like, look, that's unrealistic for me to
go look for that, or do you think he's having
that that couple of second where he's like, if I
let her have this baby, it may be the story

(01:06:12):
of the century for the magazine. Like it's just I'm
like almost like he had ulterior motives to maybe not
let her get the abortions so they can like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
In the company and aliens. Yet it was like, I
gotta bring gonna bring Ripley back with this inside of
our the woman who bursts a bug?

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Well that's Have you guys seen The Fly Part two? No?

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
I have not watched that in a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah. Well, I'm kind of remembering from when I seen
it back in the nineties, and I'm pretty sure that's
that's what the movie's about. Is the child of of
Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis. Oh it is, And so
you know, you get you kind of get that that
that thought that Tim mentioned with with status, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
That brings us to our second back to the future
referen Eric Stoltz plays the son of the Fly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Oh yes, So anyway, so Brenda Fly runs off with
Geena Davis, and so stat is like, well, I gotta
go rescue her. So he gets his his shotgun. And
I thought it was kind of neat that it was
a it was a twelve gage over and under. And

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he's sitting there and now he doesn't assemble it downstairs
in his car where it might be safe. He carries
the case into Brindle's apartment and puts it together there. Now,
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm going
into a monster's layer, I'm coming in loaded and ready

(01:07:44):
to shoot. Not Oh, I'm gonna go ahead in the
simplest gun right here, because maybe this will intimidate him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Like,
who does that? I mean, it's I mean, even in
the writing room, don't you think they're looking back? Why
would he do that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
It just makes absolutely no sense. So it's just like
I've be coming in with's a god.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I'm warning you now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
You could make a sense for over analysis and he
is a kind of a dumb character or what have you.
But I guarantee it's not the dumbest thing you will
see in a movie from the eighties. That is in
Masters of the Universe with Dolph Lungren, And it has
nothing to do with the plot of the movie. They
simply show a man who is eating McDonald's and he's

(01:08:28):
got some McDonald's refuse and he's got some oranges on
the kitchen table, and they do close up to this,
and for whatever reason, instead of putting that into the
the garbage can, he just places them all in the sink.
He puts uh paper cups and oranges into the sink,
and then you just have to It just completely takes

(01:08:50):
you out of the movies. I understood this took you
out of the movie, but watch Masters of the Universe
for the most nonsensical shit you've ever seen in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Well, I will since for on the Master of the
Universe segue, I will say it's probably one of my
favorite Courtney Cox movies.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Oh yeah, who else would have been good in this movie?
I think Courtney Cox would have been great. Can you
guys think of anybody else that would have been a
good damsel in distress slash reporter stumbling onto something huge?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
You know, I think Courtney Cox might have been a
little too young, because I mean she would have been
like in her eighteen's early twenties.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
You know, it would have played up more to the
whole age difference between her and status where he was
grooming her. It could be, yeah, she was this is
around the times she was doing the video for.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
No No Nana, No No, No, nothing that tune in
no notes, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Jewish but Springsteen. Yeah, she's dancing in the dark or whatever.
Courtney Cox. Isn't that Who else would have been great
in the Jeff Goblum role.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I don't know, because I can't see this movie without
Geena Davis and Jeff Goldbloom. I think they were the
perfect couple for this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
If you had to recast it today, and then this
should not be remade. I think it's any any movie
that nails it, and technically this is a remake more
of a reinterpretation, but any movie that just really nails it.
I don't think it's like it's an insult to the
people that made the originals to go and remake it. Right,

(01:10:41):
But if you had to, who would play Seth Brundle today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
I'm I think they might try to, like maybe go
for that intellectually handsome kind of look. And I'm thinking
that they might do like a Chris Pratt.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
You're right, and it would be terrible. He would have
too much fun on the set and become a comedy
uh my. My other thought is just because he's used
to doing a lot of shirtless scenes, is John Cena
and that would be fucking terrible. He would go up
to status and like you know, power bombing. He'd power

(01:11:29):
bomb from off the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Well, speaking of power bobbied status, So you know, to
get back to the to the eighties movie power Vomits Staff. Yeah,
you know, Seth Staff. This is going around and he
gets he gets bum rushed by by a brindled fly,
and uh, he vomits on his hand and again another

(01:11:53):
really cool body you know, body horror effect. Even every
time I see it, it just it just makes my stomach
kind of queezy just seeing it. I want to know
how they made that effect to make his hand just
kind of like bubble over and dissolve.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
That's a that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I think it's the same way they did probably the
Raiders one like that. You know, it's probably some kind
of like wax melting kind of deal.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Though I don't think they sped this up. I think
a chemical reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
They sped this one up too, because I guess originally,
you know, he wasn't happy with it Croenenberg, with the
original shooting of it, and so then they sped it
up and shoot it to him again, and he's like, Okay,
not just sped it up. It looks much better. So
I think they did do a little. I think they
did a little raiders arc to this, and I'm betting
it's probably some kind of wax with some stuff underneath it,

(01:12:43):
and then they use probably like heat guns or something
to like melt it on camera, would be my guess.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Gotcha.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Yeah, just watched it again, and his fist is shaking
too quickly, like like inhumanly a little bit, and that's
the indication that it's sped up, gotcha, because he's acting
like he's in pain or whoever's holding the prop, and
then when they speed it up, it looks unnatural. But
you have to look for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Gotcha, which you know, maybe maybe because it looks so unnatural,
that's part of the whole trigger, you know, because again
it's it's working on that primal fear, that that sense
of self well, and you feel.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
They cut out a scene where there was more with
the foot. He didn't just vomit it off, he started
to eat the foot. I think you're just focused on
the goop.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I mean, you know, you're so focused on the goop
and the deterioration of the hand that you're not noticing
is shaking or anything else, or even look at it
at the guy's face. You're fixated on that hand.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
So that really works for it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I mean, Joey had to go look for it to
realize that the hand was shaking too much, and the
look on the guy's face, So I think again it's
you're so drawn to what you're supposed to be drawn
to effectively that you don't see all the other stuff
that would give it away.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Okay, good point. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Do you think they drew any inspiration from the Toxic Adventure,
which came a little bit before this, because he does
look a little like Toxi in this final form.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Well it's not his final form, but yeah, I could
see we're like second to final. Got extra bumps technically, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Because he's gonna have two more fucking transformations. It's amazing
family of three joined together in one body, more human
than one alone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, and you know this jaw. This is of course,
where we we learned that, you know, Brenda Fly wants to,
as you had said earlier, Joey, you know, meld all
three of them together. And I think this would have
been a good, good way to kind of help explain
it had we seen that scene that Tim was talking
about earlier where he joined the Bad Boon and the Cat.

(01:14:58):
I think that kind of would have helped tell how
he came up with this idea. You know, he kind
of like right off, like we don't get an idea
of him wanting to join everything together until now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Well the computer tells him though, It says, you know,
he puts that, puts it in there, like how does
Brenda become more human? And then it comes back and says,
splice Brenda with more humans to become more human. So
the computer actually gives him the suggestion like early on, okay,
and I think that's still got enough morality and him

(01:15:31):
he's like, I can't do that, because otherwise he could
have went out to the bars and started picking up
people or whatever or forcing him at that point because
he was so strong, drug him back, whipped him into
a pot, and kept splicing himself with other people over
and over.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Gotcha, that would have been an interesting story.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
The fly ground og Davors, Yeah, so did anybody else
think he looked a little bit like I ET when
his face was falling off, and then he was like,
is it et coming out of there?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
The same color?

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I think once once, once his jaw fell off, he
kind of seen the little like mandibles kind of coming
down a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
That's I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
I had no sense of et in there. I just
thought of more body horror flyy looking thing. I was
kind of hoping for some wings, though, you know, you
don't get any wings, just get like these weird.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
That's a thought that came into my mind when I
was a kid, and you know what, I was comparing
it to what's that what was popular around a little
bit a few years after this would have been out
on VHX, And it was also inspired by the original
movie Baxter Stockman from Teenage Mutan Ninja Turnle forget about
it that it took kind of the best of both

(01:16:48):
worlds there. You got the flyhead very much like the
the the old original movie, but then you got the
mandible like arms coming out of the back that were
very much like the end of this movie, right, and
then they said, hey, and we're gonna give him wings
you can fly that The cartoon wasn't really graphic, but

(01:17:09):
oh my god, that is if you go look at
that action figure of the original figure of Baxter stock
then and you examine like the details coming out of
the back and everything, it's fucking gross.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah. Yeah, they definitely took some inspiration from this movie,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I think the idea was that he didn't want it
to totally look like a fly when it was done.
It was supposed to look like a fly and a
human merge together at the level you know. I mean,
it's just because I think the original the fly, I think,
had wings and stuff, and it had an actual goofy
looking fly ahead and stuff. I think they made it
look more like a human sized fly, which he's like,

(01:17:48):
I don't want to do that. I wanted to, you know,
look like a messh of a human and a fly together.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
You get both in the original movie. The one was
like his arm and his head was the fly, and
then there was a a flybody out there with his
human head at the end of the movie. Hell me yeah,
which is also greatly parodied of course.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Yeah, but then yeah, we get that that cool, like
you said, that cool transformation of Seth after he throws
and then he throws Veronica into telepod and uh, you know,
and then he locks himself inside. And when I first
watched this movie, I'm thinking, oh, yeah, this is this
is gonna happen. You know, Stathus is down. He's got

(01:18:31):
to be dead. And thankfully he's not. You know, he
saves the day. He becomes the hero in this movie
by shooting the telepod.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Do you think Cronenberg was who did a rewrite on
this Originally status they were a married couple like in
the original movie, and then it made boyfriend girlfriend and
then he had the love triangle element because Stathus was
actually like some corporate guy who was trying to steal
the fly secrets and it's his it's his fault that
the project went wrong and stuff, and he did to
rewrite and he became the you know, the ex boyfriend,

(01:19:03):
the jealous lover. So god, what was my.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Point stat this is now the hero.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Do you think Cronenberg was an ex boyfriend and he
wrote this as if, Hey, you know, I'm not crazy.
I'm the hero. I'm gonna rescue her from that new guy.
He's the psycho.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I don't know. I think you might be rejecting their jolly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Now, I think the ending was perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I think if they had gone with what they were
thinking to make the ending, it would not I've played well.
It would have wrecked the impact of the movie itself.
I mean, because what we what are we ending on?
We're ending on basically the final metamorphosis where he changes
from completely from you know, Brundle to the fly or
the Brundle fly genetic eyebread. And it don't look like

(01:19:55):
anything you've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I mean that metamorphosis is truly fantastic to watch. I
mean it's just changes immediately again yeah, yeah, and then
they'll get it for very long.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Well, it's fused with the fucking pod.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Which again they and that's what he did again, he goes,
I don't want it to look like just a mang
of up human. I wanted to look like half human
half pod, because that's what it got messed with. And
he did it because when he comes out, you can
see all the pod pieces mixed in with him. So
he does it twice. Mean, it just has such an impact.
And then you know, of course we have staff as
you know, of course, he saves the day absolutely, you know,

(01:20:32):
he shoots the pop previns Geena Davis or you know
Veronica from you know, becoming.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
Merged with us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But I think that's where we need to leave it.
I think it's the perfect ending. It's like it finally
comes to that end part where you know it's come
full circle. He has he's finally involved and Brendle, he's
finally come to acceptance that, you know, what's happened to him.
And he's like, now I just seek death, you know,

(01:20:59):
like I I and she's she's messed up. There's no
way there's gonna be any kind of love relationship after this.
This woman has been traumatized. She still has something in
her that she doesn't know what it's going to become.
She's she's headed for a nice padded room for a
very long time. There's there's no way you just shake

(01:21:21):
this one off and go about your life afterwards. I'm sorry,
this is messed up. Plus all the explanations you're gonna
have to do the authorities find this gooping mess, like,
so explain to me how this happened again, man, and
you and you chose to have sex with this with
this gentleman, gentle fly. Yeah, I mean it's just and yeah,

(01:21:44):
it's make for a very interesting anybody. I just think
anything past this point and you'd wreck the film. I
think it was perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, they did, they did originally wreck it.
There's like three other fucking endings. I just learned about them,
but this one, like we see those the quivering eyeballs
and then the claw, you know, taking the gun barrel,
putting it to its head like you know, please put
me out of my misery, and you know, I'm a

(01:22:12):
mangled mess. And then they just cut to the credits
and we get that horrifying music and it's almost the
music reminds us of like, you know what else, right,
instead of having dream sequences with butterfly babies. What was
one of the other ones that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
I don't know because I didn't I didn't do enough
research on the on the other endings.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
I just I like, like three, and they all sucked.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
I liked how this one ended because it was like
a final this is this is the nail in the coffin,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
And and the bren fly eyes sell it like the
eyes of the creature. I mean, uh, maybe not as
much as it might have today, because they could do
better with the eyes, you know, could make it look
far more human, but they managed to make Go Bloom's
eye on this creature bigger and still kind of project
that humanity in the eyes, you know, like when he's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Like just kill me kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
So yeah, I think That's what helps sell the whole
scene is that, you know, the eyes, they managed to
capture some humanity and even though of their puppet eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, and it's it's a really cool practical effect. This
is again I'm gonna I'm gonna toot the practical effect
horn again. But I think that that's one of the
things that's great about this movie is just the way
that they were able to create these practical effects and they,
like I said, they still hold them today. I mean,
I really like, like this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Practical done well will hold up for a long time,
but you gotta invest the time and effort into it,
you know what I mean. For sure, I still like
some of the more practical effects that they did in
the original Star Wars movies than the digital effects they
did later.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
All Right, well, I think that brings us to the
that's you know, that's the end of the movie. So
that kind of brings us to the dead clock. Guys,
that's how we.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Know it's over because Tim Tim found a way to
reference Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Well, I do want to give you some Batman points,
Joey for bringing Batman into the into the Fly with
the whole night quest. So you'll get the you'll get
the Andreas Award for bringing Batman into the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Plus you figured out how to bring a trauma movie
into it as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Yes, yeah, So you know what, since we're in our
second year here at Man Reviews, I think I'm gonna
create a Bingo sheet and I'm gonna put it up
on Facebook, and it's gonna have things like Star Wars Batman,
Star Wars, Toxic Adventure, Yes, and Joey say the word penis.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
And then other words that mean penis.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
And and if if any of our listeners happens to
fill out a Bengal card and submit it to us,
then they'll get a free T shirt. There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Where do they send their Bengo cards?

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Well, they can send their Bingo cards to Man Review
Podcast at gmail dot com. All right, gentlemen, So this
movie is an hour and thirty six minutes pure body
horror and practical effects. How does it rate on your
death clock? And I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you first
tim is it worth taking that hour and thirty six

(01:25:12):
minutes off your death clock?

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Absolutely, there's there's no way that this doesn't make the
death clock by anybody's standards I've yet to be anybody
that does not like this film, and it is not.
It's not grossed out by it even to this day.
I mean it just like we've all said, the practical
effects on this are outstanding. The story is solid, it's
well paced. It's just it's a really well done movie.

(01:25:37):
I've never seen the original one, which I'd like to see.
I know some of the things, you know, like we
said that kind of become people have duplicated in other
films and stuff, But this, this film is just fantastic.
I would recommend it to anybody. It's it's well worth
your time off your death.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Clock, well said, well said, how about you, Joey.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Oh, I think this movie horseshit. I couldn't stand watching
it again. No it's uh, it struck a nerve and
uh it's unforgettable and it's aged like fine wine. So
I absolutely I did give this movie my highest recommendation.

(01:26:20):
I think it's probably my favorite David Cronenberg movie. His son,
Another Cronenberg, is making a scary shit now, so I
look forward to seeing something he made that people talk
about Possessor. So the Cronenberg name lives on this movie. Absolutely.

(01:26:40):
I mean it's a rick and mortar meme, you know.
Oh no, it's a Cronenberg world. We're all we're all
turned into Cronenberg's. I mean it's because of this movie
that that's that's what they're talking about, is the bizarreness
of David Cronenberg. And I gotta say the penetrating flesh.

(01:27:00):
He does really revisit that in Video Drome. It really does.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Gotcha, Well, didn't Videodrome come out before this?

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Oh? Fuck? You're right? Maybe this is referencing video Drome.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah, because I thought Leodrome was like his first.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Movie, No no, or was it a video drome?

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
What came out to the movie? So it was video
Drome The Fly? Yeah, okay, so he kind of did
for it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Scanner's video Drome, The Dead Zone, The Fly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Yeah. He's good at body horror, which brings me to
my death clock and I'm gonna say that, Yes, this
movie absolutely is worth taking time off your death clock.
It is like, like Joey, this is probably my favorite
David Cronenberg movie. Every time I see it, I get
that that primal, visceral feeling when I watched this movie,

(01:27:50):
just because of everything happens in it. Like Tim said,
it's a great story, it's well paced, it's absolutely a
great movie. Should you should take time out of your
death clock to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Better than Scanners. Rabbit is another body horror movie. The
Brood is another body horror movie by David Grunenberg. Scanners.
Of course, The Flyve We mentioned that already video Drome.
We've mentioned that Naked Lunch is body horror. Now I've
seen Naked n is body horror.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
What I saw Naked Lunch and I was so confused
by that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Everyone was, Okay, it's definitely there was a body horr Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Great way to wrap it up for us, Joey. So
this is the part of the episode where we do
male call and you know, we've we've asked our listeners
to write in or leave comments or you know, anything
for our for our show, and we actually do have
a comic gentleman. It's on our Akira episode. Our good

(01:28:48):
buddy at the Pop Culture Guy left us a little
comment saying Kira. Thanks everyone from the Man Reviews for
this awesome collaboration on Akira nineteen eighty eight classic anime
or Japanese film. Talk to you guys soon. For another
awesome movie podcast. So thank you Andreas for leaving us
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(01:29:09):
appeared on.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
To quote Milhouse, my mom says, I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
I just found out his son's name, Brandon Cronenberg, so
let's go Brandon.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
All right, Well, gentlemen, other than the Fly and Cronenberg,
what have you been watching? Tim? Where are you at?
Are you still in the middle of the Blacklist?

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna be on that blacklist for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
But I did take a brief pause to go watch
Edge of Tomorrow, which I will be joining our friends
at the MCUs Bleeding Edge to review tomorrow night after
this one. So when you're done with this, go check
that out. It should be posted by then.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
You got to have at least three l Ron Hubbard
or Scientology references please, okay minimum?

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
If you could plug Groundhog Day episode as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
I'll get it in there. This is I'll try to
mention like this, scenes like blah blah blah, just like
when we discussed this scene in our Groundhog episode blah
blah blah. Yes, sure, I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
All right. How about you, Joey, Other than David Cronenberg,
what are you watching?

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
I was watching the animated version of Cronenberg. The latest
animated show to have disturbing imagery and a lot of
jump scares. Has got to be smiling Friends. You can
watch it on I want to say it's I think
it's on Adult Swim, but it's also on streaming on
HBO Max or and season two came out, I want

(01:30:57):
to say, last May, and I just didn't know about it,
and so I just binge watched the entire second season,
all eight like twelve minute episodes. Like a lot of
adults Swim shows are of smiling friends, and I cannot
recommend it enough.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Gotcha, I'll have to check it out. Yeah, So what
I'm watching. I kind of got into an eighties kick,
and I thought about some of the things I was
watching as a kid back in the eighties, and I
thought of this ninja movie and I was trying to
remember what it was called. And basically, it's this guy
who doesn't tell his kids that he's a ninja, but

(01:31:35):
he takes his whole family and moves to America and
he runs into a bunch of gangsters and the gangsters
basically put his family in a hospital. So he gets
revenge on the on the gangsters in his ninja costume.
And it's called Pray for Death. From nineteen eighty five, We.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Sho Kazuki Yes now available on Blu Ray from Keino.
Lober almost bought that the other day and you can't
want too much fucking money for it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
You can watch it for free on twob.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
SUBI the shit out of that show. Kazuki is legendary.
There's a poster of him doing a jump kick with
fucking swords in his hand. That is Uh. Everybody had
that poster from Ninja Magazine and I want to say
there was like I think it was Reno nine to
one one the movie Patton Oswald's character who's like the

(01:32:25):
assistant mayor or something like that, and there like they
show his room and his childhood teenage room is like
not changed as an adult. And there's the show Kazuki
uh poster that I'm referred to that fucking thing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Is it the one with this where he's wearing that
metal helmet and he's got the little shuret kin right on.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
The fah doesn't have it in the poster, but in
that movie he's got the metal ensemble. Very I don't
know which came first, Shadow Dancer, the Shnobi sequel, or this,
but if you want to see an armored ninja, watch
Pray for Death and watch every Show Kazuki movie. He's
barely in Enter the Ninja with this Italian guy playing

(01:33:05):
the lead, but he's in all the sequels, which get
more and more fucking crazy. Yeah, Mention of the Ninja
is probably the best one, and then Ninja three The
Domination is the one where it's crossover with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
The Exorcist Gosha.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
It's just some chick who doesn't know any fucking martial
arts at all and she gets possessed by a dead ninja.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
Oh I remember that one.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
The first fifteen minutes is that ninja being the most
badass human being on the fucking planet, and it takes
like a fucking army to kill it. It's just the
first fifteen minutes of Ninja three. Domination is like, don't
watch the rest of the movie, just watch the first
fifteen minutes. It is fucking amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Yeah, So if you want to, if you watch some
watch some eighties ninja action, check out Pray for Death.
And you know what, I'm gonna surprise you guys, because
next week I think I'm gonna check out American Ninja Warrior,
American Ninja with Michael Dudakoff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Oh, I love those movies back.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
In the eighties. American Ninja too is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
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(01:34:26):
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You made it through.

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Get the stink blown off.

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