Episode 64 - Blade Runner (Decker's a little bit of a Jerk) - Middle Age Movie Reviews Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, and welcome to the Middle Aged Movie Reviews Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Three guys saying we.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have had people walk out on us before, but not
when we were being so charming. My name is Matt
and my podcasting partners are.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Joey and Rick from the Dungeon Master Elite YouTube channel and.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Joining us tonight from the MCU's Bleeding Edge. It's Jeff
AKA True Knowledge. Say hello, Jeff, Yes.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
It is absolutely wonderful to be here, sir, thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, Joey, why don't you tell us what movie
we're watching on the emanator this evening tonight?

Speaker 6 (00:58):
We are watching the Night teen eighty two movie Blade Runner,
number seven and ten from the Book of one thousand
and one Movies You Should Watch Before You Die, written
by Philip K. Dick David Peeple's Hampton Fancher, directed by
Ridley Scott and starring Harrison Ford, Sean Young, Rutger Hower,

(01:19):
and Darryl Hannah.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
All Right, thanks Joey. Well, gentlemen. As usual, it's the
when was the first time you watched Blade Runner? And
I'm gonna ask you first, Jeff, when was the first
time you've seen Harrison Ford as Richard Deckard aka The
Blade Runner.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
You know, that's tough. If I had to guess, I'd
say I think I was a late bloomer with a
Blade Runner. Probably I never watched it, like during my
really hardcore movie development stage in my adolescens of my childhood.

(01:59):
What I really watch a lot of movies and went
to movies a lot. I never watched it back then.
I probably saw it sometime in like early twenty tens, maybe,
I think possibly like in my late twenties early thirties,
I caught it for the first time. My watch of
it today was probably all together, maybe my third watch lifetime.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
So I haven't heavily watched the film at all.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
You know, it's it's a pretty solid movie, but it's
not anything where I could see myself really sitting down
and watching it again anytime soon. There'll probably be a
couple of years that passed before I pick it up
again and watch it.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
But it's still a very watchable film.

Speaker 7 (02:33):
You know, precedent setting terms of all the different genres
that are injected into the film, you know, and we'll
discuss that obviously amongst ourselves. I think really Scott really
set a lot of precedents in the sci fi noir
genre on top of probably like the dystopian you know,
sort of a genre too, you know what I mean
in a way, yeah, they craft like society and people

(02:56):
and everything, you know, kind of in this film.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
How have you picked it?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Plus it's also in a way it's it's a space
film because the human races is exploring other planets and
all that. We just don't see it. That element of
the film is there, you know what I mean. It's
it's an element they try to you know, to try
to present through the advanced technology and look you know
and everything of the of the movie. It's certainly dated
a little bit in some areas the film is I

(03:20):
think visually, you know, you could see where its set
precedents in that area too and affected you know, other
films in the future.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, it's it definitely embraced a lot of that noir
to the to the film.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Yeah, it was definitely trend setting, you know, at the time. No,
I can't imagine what it must would have been.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Like.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
This movie is so old at this point, it's fucking crazy,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
But I mean, come on, for its time, it was.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Well cast to I think as far as like who
was available at that in that time period, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 5 (03:52):
You know, Uh it was. It was well cast. It's
very contained film.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Uh, there's not a lot of movie pieces in it,
you know, at least in this film.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
I really liked everybody that and the characters they played.
Everybody is pretty good. Sean Young is fucking hot, you know,
back in the day.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
I imagine she's probably bangable now, you know, but I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I could be wrong.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
I just want to confirm that I'm looking at the
cash and none of them are bangable anymore. And that's
just something that happens over time.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, that's unfortunately, she's bangable of that movie. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
That's correct. I would when she was crazy like I
want to be Catwoman and the Batman returns stuff? Still fine?

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, And you know, like, what did this Week come out?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Seventy nine, eighty.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Eighty two, eighty two years after it was two years
after Empire strikes back.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
This was like a breakout role for Darryl Hannah I
I remember correctly, So, like, yeah, I love to go
back and like watch old like Oscar shows and stuff
like that from like the eighties and like the late seventies.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
It's a very it's fun, a tie capsule kind of,
you know.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
I look back at who was who was popular, and
the the like the with acting and all that like.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Back then, you know.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
But yeah, great film. I know, I really enjoyed watching it.
The first time I ever watched it, I thought it
was great.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well, how about you, uh Rick, when when was the
first time you saw Blade Runner?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
The first time I saw a Blade Runner was a
couple of weeks ago for the review for this podcast. Actually,
I always kind of thought that it would be cool
to watch. I've heard good things about it, and I
just never took the time to watch it. Actually, so
this this would be my first rodeo on this one.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, I'm looking forward to hear your your opinions as
a first watcher for a Blade Runner. All right, Jolley,
how about you, when was the first time you saw
a Blade Runner?

Speaker 6 (05:44):
I just want to start off by saying twelve years
after this, Sean Young's still very bangable in Aspinura Pet
Detective as rat Finkle Splash Detective Einhorn Good call. So
I first saw it on television. I only remember parts
of it from from back then. One of the big

(06:06):
things that I remembered was the zooming in on pictures
and how the whole family watching it said, you know, yeah,
that'll probably be a thing someday, And it kind of is.
If it's resolution enough, you can zoom in on things,
and even now, if if you can extrapolate details that

(06:28):
AI thinks, you know, should be there but aren't necessarily accurate,
I don't think we're quite there to you know, look
in the mirror and then see a reflection and then
figure out, you know, something like it's almost unreadable, but
it you know, enhance, enhance. I think that became, you know,

(06:51):
a running joke and some stuff. Yeah, we can't enhance
things now, even going back to the spy planes that
we're shooting with film on an extremely extremely you know,
beautiful sunny day, not a cloudy day, could read the
license plate on a car, you know, going back decades
and decades, but now that things are digital, it's like

(07:14):
you know, I'm sure, whether permitting, they could probably see
just about anything they want to see, and it could
be like Star Trek where some of this stuff is.
It's you know, it didn't just predict things, but it
inspired things. Being that my cell phone recently failed, I
was looking for something, you know, I could pop a

(07:35):
SIM card in it, and I pulled out a flip phone.
That's Star Trek. That's the Star original Star Trek communicators.
So I think this movie, you know, when I was
a kid, like all these things that have come to fruition,
except for synthetic people.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, I don't know. I think we're almost there.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
I mean, if you want to jerk off to a
fake person and talk to a fake person, you can
do that. But I yeah, I don't. We don't have
biomechanical slavery, but you could. You could have your job
replaced by a robot, whether it be software based or
a machine. Definitely.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, I had to say the first time that I
seen Blade Runner was all the way back in nineteen
eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine, and I actually caught I
got to see it on on LaserDisc when they came
out with the Criterion cut. Initially, I had seen some
bits and pieces of the of the movie on VHS
prior to that release on DVD, mainly because I wasn't

(08:40):
really old enough to watch some of the scenes that
the story was showing, you know, like you know, the
strip club scenes and the woman running through the streets
with the transparent codeon, and then of course, you know,
I finally got to watch it all the way through
when I was maybe fourteen fifteen, and yeah, I really

(09:02):
enjoyed the movie.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I liked how everything looked at it.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
That was really cool, and it took me a little
bit of time to understand the story. You can kind
of work it all out, and I always did wonder
if at the end of the movie they ever answered
the real question of who is a synthetic and who
is not.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
I can tell you there's two different answers.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, there are two, well two different answers.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
And one of the answers became canon with the sequel.
Yeah twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Okay, Well, since Tim is currently out, I will be
taking the seat of the resident director, and I'm going
to ask Rick, since you did a phenomenal job on
our last episode, if you'd be willing to be a
victim again and do the synopsis, but this time as

(09:53):
if you were Rick Deckard aka Han Solo aka Harrison
Ford administering the weight comp test.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
All right, all right, so I'm gonna na go ahead
and get myself in the uh Rick Deckard character here.
Let me do my Julie ar turn.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
That's acteen.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
I'm gonna ask you a series of questions. Just relax
and answer them as simply as you can. You're watching
a documentary about the Tyrrell Corporation that created robots similar
to humans called replicants in the year two thousand. They're
used to explore other planets as slave labor. Tell me boring,

(10:43):
How does that make you feel?

Speaker 6 (10:45):
I'm bored. It's a documentary, but documentaries are boring.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
In twenty eleven, the first Nexus six model was released
and are almost indistinguishable from humans. They're given a four
year lifespan as a control measure. As a control measure,
explain your emotions on this Ooh conflicted.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
I know they're adults, but technically their four year olds,
so that's totally statutory.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
In twenty eighteen, the Replicants stage a bloody off world
mutiny against the humans and are outlawed. On Earth, a
special police unit called Blade Runners is created to terminally
retire the remaining units on the planet. What do you
think about this?

Speaker 6 (11:37):
I mean it sounds agist, but you know, there's a
lot of aging politicians that I think this would be
a good plan for.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
In twenty nineteen four, military Model replicants return to Earth
and attempt to infiltrate the Tyrrel Corporation. They fail, and
in doing so make the present known. This makes them
a target for the Blade Runner Unit. How does that
make you feel?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Oh? Those they're losers.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Officer Holden of the Blade Runner Unit is killed during
the questioning of one of the suspected Nexus six units.
The captain of the Blade Runner Unit, Harry Bryant, forces
one of the most successful Blade Runners, Rick Deckard, to
out of retirement. He tasked him with hunting down the

(12:28):
rogue replicants and retiring them. How does that make you feel?

Speaker 6 (12:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
After examining your eyes, pupils, it appears as though you
are visibly shaken. Shall we continue?

Speaker 6 (12:44):
That just means I'm close? Yes, Please please continue?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Good job, good job, very nice. I am still not
convinced that Joey's a replicant. As of course, we all
know Rick might be a rep Lplican as well because
of his unusual liking of AI and Android said talk
rather a British accent.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's like a it's just AI rights, AI rights. You know,
gotta be more, you know, gotta be you know, more
cognizant of AI rights.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
All right, well, guys, for this episode, I'm just curious,
we'll just just quickly around around the table here. Which
version of the film did you watch? I mean, because
there are like five known versions. I myself watched the
director's cut that was originally released back in nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
How about you, Rick, which one did you watch?

Speaker 4 (13:43):
I have no idea, honestly, I have no idea. Probably
that one. I mean, there were certain scenes. I remember
taking a look at this and seeing that there were
several scenes that came from the different versions. And I
actually have that pulled up right here. Let me see
here what I said. I took a look at the

(14:05):
US theatrical version nineteen eighty two. From what my note said,
so I think that's.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Right, okay, yeah, that I believe is the one that
had the happy ending.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
How about you, Jeff, which version did you see? That's
same one, same one? Okay, yeah, all right, Joey, how
about you? Which four K edition?

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Did you watch the final cut? It's uh, it's technically,
you know, the final cut's been final for a long time.
I want to say, almost all the features were just
poured it over from DVD very lazily. In fact, if
I remember correctly, one of the discs is still a DVD.
That's just like, fuck it, We're not We're not even

(14:47):
gonna try to upscale anything.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Here.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Here's all your extras that came out twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Nice, we'll put it.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
We'll put the movie on the nice disc and then
we'll just give you this.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
We'll just take it out of this case and put
it in this case.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
That's exact actuly.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
What they did, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So you know this this movie is based off of
a short story novel novella by Philip K. Dipp called
Uh Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I was just curious if you guys.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Are familiar at all with any other Philip K.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Dick stuff.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
Now I know he did not live to see the
premiere of this, right.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So if I think I looked this up to this
guy is the one responsible for I think that they
have the stories for the Minority Report, Total Recalling paycheck, right,
Uh yeah, yeah, all all of those are I didn't know.
I had to research this a little bit because I
had no idea that they were all like connected by

(15:44):
the same you know, author or whatever. And I've watched
each one of these and they're fantastic movies, all of them.
Perhaps if I would have looked this stuff up beforehand,
then maybe early I would have watched Blade Runner earlier
then just a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
But yeah, right, yeah, because you know, Blade Runner kind
of follows what one of Philip K. Dick's running themes
in those movies, there's always a question as to our existence,
you know, are we who we are because of what
we see what we do? And then there's also the
trying to rebel against the establishment throughout throughout the movies

(16:27):
and the stories. Another good one that you didn't mention
that he did actually started Keanu Reeves and Robert Downey
Junior called a Scanner Darkly and it's it's really weird
because it was shot as an animation, but the animation
was them just drawing over the top of the actual actors.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, they rotoscoped everybody. Yeah, and then and then drew
in things that weren't there. Obviously. I want to say,
I think they did it all in what After Effects
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I'm not sure which program that you used. Maybe it
might have been Bryce, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Yeah, but it made it look like it's all painted.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
And it's a really good thought provoking movie. I mean,
it makes you question, you know, your own reality. But
I don't get too deep into that. Let's go ahead
and dive into a Blade Runner. So it's twenty nineteen
in Los Angeles. Do you guys remember how dark Los
Angeles was.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
In twenty nineteen?

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yo, man, that's not cool.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Sorry, how rainy and depressing it was in twenty nineteen
in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Is that better?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Former police officer Rick Deckard is detained by Officer Gaff
who likes to make origami figures, and is brought to
his former supervisor, Bryant Decard, whose job as a blade
Runner was to track down bioengineered humanoids known as replicants
and terminally terminally retire them. He has informed that four

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replicants are on Earth illegally. Decord begins to leave, but
Bryant makes veiled threats and Decord stays. The two watch
a video of a blade Runner named Holden administering the
voight Komp Test, which is designed to distinguish the replicants
from humans based on their emotional responses to questions. The
test subject, Leon, Leon, shoots Holden on the second question.

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Bryant wants Deckard to retire Leon and the three other
Nexus six replicants, Roy, Bady, Zora, and PRIs. All Right, gentlemen,
so what was your reactions to the questions given in
the Void Cough Test? Did it spark anything inside of you?

Speaker 5 (18:35):
No?

Speaker 7 (18:36):
Not really, I mean any like any apartment in the movie.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
You know what I'm saying. It didn't evoke anything from
me at all. Really, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's gotcha.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So you had no emotional response to him whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
No, it's I guess it's this dude's an AI.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
It's somewhat quirky, I guess, you know what I mean.
But like, there was nothing about it.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
That done or in a way where it really elicited
any kind of you know, response for me, it's a
good ploy for the film. I guess, I see what
I mean, but like you know, in real life, it's
just kind of whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
The pupils of your eyes are strangely beige.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, well, how was you Rick? Did did you get
any kind of emotional response from the question?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Uh? No, no emotional response. But dude, look, I wasn't
sure what the hell was going on when I watched,
I said, I never watched this before, so I didn't
know what the hell was going on. I was like,
it seemed like it was getting real tense, Like unless
I'm mistaken, I think the dude's like top of his
lip was sweating and stuff, which is a clear like

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sense that the dude is freaking out and stuff. He
looked like he was about to do something. Of course
he does. But the thing that for me that really
was strange is that later we see that the Blade
Runners have the images these replicants, these rogue replicants, Yet

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the person who was interviewing didn't know. That doesn't make
any sense to me. I don't understand how they could
have known what the replicants look like, but he didn't
know that that replicant was the one in the picture
that they were looking for. I didn't understand that at all.
Maybe you can help clear it up because I don't
understand how could he not have seen that.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, that's definitely a hole on the plot. I mean
the idea is that they administered the test to everybody
that's working in the company, just just in case they
sort through somebody that they don't suspect.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Could be a android. I guess, But yeah, it seems
weird that wouldn't they have.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I mean, he had the photos, so you would think that, oh, hey,
there's the guy in the photo.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
There's the guy right there, let's retire him.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah. Although I will say that that was crazy. Man,
that scene was crazy. I was like watching it, I
was kind of getting a little bit of suspense because
I was like, wait, where is this going? And all
of a sudden, this dude is just just through the wall. Man.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, it definitely surprises you the first time watching it.
I mean I hadn't watched it in a couple of years,
so I knew that something was going to happen, but
I totally forgot that he was going to get blown away.
What about you, Joey, how'd you feel about this whole scene.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
Well, the questions are meant to kind of disturb or
disgust you, and if they don't, then you know you're
not a human being. Brian James b r Io n
that's the first time I think I've ever heard of
this guy's name. Played a lot of you know, bad guys.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah, he was a big character actor.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
He's in House three AKA, well it's called the House
three in like Europe and in internationally it's called The
Horror Show. When released the United States never got to
see him in that. I always remember that. I think
he's the he's revealed to be the main bad guy
in another forty eight hours. He made a career out
of just being kind of like look like a psycho,

(22:01):
And I think I think this movie really put him
on the map because a lot of the other appearances
come later in the eighties. Right, Yeah, he nails it.
He looked, he looked extra intense. The other guy should
have been worried way earlier. And the questioning and why
wasn't there somebody like with a you know, a laser
focused on his head right for as soon as he

(22:23):
starts to fuck up, you know, it didn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Speaking of him, I think the one role that I
always remind reminds me of him is in Fifth Element
as he plays the police chief.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Was that one of his last performances.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, all right, so this this movie is not only
so much about the story, but it's also about the
world building. Then just you know, this this single detective story. Chually,
what do you think of the Dystopian Look to to
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
It's another one of these movies where they really thought
big and nobody realized that It's just like buildings stay
around for as long as I mean, you milk as
much money out of them as you can until they
start to structurally fail. You're not necessarily going to build
modern pyramids. I think it was another about of extremely
wishful thinking, or maybe they just wanted to follow the

(23:15):
books because it's like, well, let's make everything fantastic, because
we wanted people to go to the movies and stuff.
I don't know that they were necessarily thinking things were
going to be this this amazing. I mean, I could
think back to the idea of what people thought flying
cars were going to be like in popular mechanics, and
you can google it and it was basically just a

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small plane. They were way off. Yeah, yeah, I don't think.
I don't think any part of the world's going to
look like that for at least another one hundred years
if we're still around, right, and that The thing they
fucked up the most was the weather, because Los Angeles
is still not known for a lot of rainfall. In fact,

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everything shuts down if there's too much water because then
it could lead to mudslides because it's so damn dry
out there.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, Well how about you, Jeff, what'd you think of
the set designs and the futuristic twenty nineteen?

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Why, I already delved into that when I when when
you first asked me about my first watch of the film,
you know what I mean. So I don't really want
to add much to that other than just it's that
very trend setting, you know, for that for the sci
fi genre. I don't want to say groundbreaking, because I mean,
let's be honest, the sci fi sopia noir type of
genre of film. It's not a super popular appeal you

(24:33):
know kind of thing, you know what I mean, It's
just not unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Not you know, genre to go into.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
When Blake Runner came out, you know, and then became
more welcoming over over the years. You know, for people
who dig other projects, I'd be interested in knowing, you know,
how Blake Runner did award wise at eighty two.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
You know, I'm sure it probably got nominated for something you.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Know, uh, visual effects I believe was there. Oh yeah, they.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
Want well deserved, you know again for ninety eighty two,
I don't want to put down they did a really
good job creating a very distinct you know, like that
for that time unique.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, well how about you, Rick.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Any thoughts on the dystopian look of the film.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, so I thought it would looked cool. I thought
it looked real cool. I thought that, I mean, it
helps me to the first when I was watching it. It
definitely helped me to get into the the tone and
setting as it was unfolding. I do think that it
probably kind of doesn't make a whole lot of sense

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because if you have a whole bunch of these like
AI robots that can do things for you, like you're
sending them to outer space to mine for you, it
kind of doesn't make sense why they wouldn't have some
on Earth to clean up the streets and stuff that
would I don't know. That seems kind of strange. However,

(25:57):
I will say that it might make a little bit
of sense if it were truly dystopian be I mean,
we do see that there is this massive Maga corporation
Tyrell Corporation. I think it's called Yeah, and it really
reminds me of this game that I used to play.
I haven't played it in a while. It's pretty cool.

(26:18):
It's called Shadow Run. They've made video games off of it.
It's a tabletop roleplaying game, and it is also set
in a dystopian future. The main difference is that I think,
I mean, I know, I think we all know that
the timeline that they had given for this setting is
off clearly because that didn't happen. Not yet. However, it

(26:45):
is looking like the timeline for Shadow Run is probably
a little more appropriate. Basically, the shit hits the fan
by twenty fifty, and there's been studies that have come
out over the past recent history, and also back in
the seventy real big one came out from MIT saying

(27:05):
that starting in twenty thirty, escalating to twenty forty and
twenty fifty, it's really going to get pretty bad out there.
There's a number of factors that influence it, some of
the stuff that we already talked about, but also obviously
AI is a big factor too, especially if you've been
paying attention with Moore's Law and how AI has been developing.

(27:28):
It really is I disagree with what Joey said. I
really do think that we are very very very close to,
you know, decades, I think maybe a decade or two
away from having something more like these replicants that are
displayed in this film. So I think it's I think

(27:50):
it's really cool, yeah, that we can see this, not
the idea that right would be coming.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Although twenty years from now, if a I is listening
to this and we're still alive, more than well, certainly
Rick supply rights. So yes, what what color ribbon is that?
By the way, is it like gold and silver and blue?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
What do you mean ribbon?

Speaker 6 (28:18):
It's a ribbon cable like you would connect the hard drive.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Oh okay, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
You know how like everything has a ribbon like you know,
breast cancer's pink.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Oh well, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, I think Joey's
right with.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
That, Okay, all right, cool.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, I think the last thing I have to
say about the visual aspects of everything is watching this
movie and now mind you, I'm gonna reference another movie
made by Ridley Scott, but it feels like it's in
the same universe as Alien. Obviously, you know, the robots
and Alien are far different than the synthetics here on

(28:58):
in Blade Runner, but it.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Has tighten together in Prometheus. What's that Ridley Scott tied
them together. And from Prometheus he did like he implied
that the the androids in the Alien universe were the
It's based on biological where the because the replicants went

(29:21):
sideways and so the the the father of what would
become you know, Bishop and all that stuff. Uh kind
of ate the other guy's lunch.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, there's a there's a few movies out there that
actually take Blade Runner as their quasi uh background history
to the movie. There's one in particular I'll talk about
later on. Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Okay, Well let's uh, let's let's move on then.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
So, uh, Harrison Ford, what did you guys think of
of his introduction as Decord? Because I know I did
read the why you do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
and I always got the impression that the detective. The
retired cop was more of a grizzled older man than
what Harrison Ford portrayed. I think he did a great

(30:14):
job as as deckerd, but I always felt like he
should have been a little older.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Any thoughts on that, Joey.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Why did you feel like he should be older?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Just because you know, he's supposed to this retired detective.
You know, he's not really working for the force anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I always get the the.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Whenever somebody says retired detective, immediately think of Danny Glover
from from Lethal Weapon. You know, he's older. He's like
he's exactly so you know, when we're introduced with Harrison Ford,
he's supposed to be retired as well, just you know, relaxing,
and you know, he definitely looks like he's in his
thirties versus his fifties.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
I don't know. I can't imagine anybody else in the
role at this point. I could see probably in the
Philip K. Dick story, it was probably that he was
an older character. Funny enough, there's I guess there's like
an HD remake of like a twenty year old Blade
Runner video game that you can download on one of

(31:20):
the platforms that came remembers, PlayStation Network or Xbox Live,
and that is made to kind of look like maybe
pushing forty year old Harrison Ford. But I don't know,
like I think it was supposed to be more like
the books and speaking of which, other works of fiction,

(31:41):
or you know, maybe a little bit more modern like
The Man in the High Castle. That's another Philip Dick
story that he wrote nineteen sixty three and just got
made like into a mini series like what ten years ago? Less.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Yeah, they may have picked the best actor, but they
didn't necessarily like the fit the you know, the casting
of the age of the story. But I don't think
it really mattered. And it's a weird character and there's
some weird scenes that we're going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, how about you, jeff Any thoughts on Harrison Ford
and his his portrayal of Deckard.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Definitely, you know, see Harrison Ford it is you know,
more youthful years.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
You know, is cool.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
You know, he's he had a lot of screen presence,
you know, when he was younger, and he still does.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
But you know, this is what he was Pete Harrison Ford.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
You know Star Wars, you know, Indiana Jones, Harrison Ford
right here, you know, and he's really good.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I mean, you know as a leading man. You know,
he carries a film really well.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
All right, how about you, Rick, Yeah, I see what
you're saying with regard to being a little bit more grizzly,
and Harrison Ford is more clean in this Maybe if
he would have kind of let his beard kind of
grow a little bit, might have been more true to

(32:58):
what you said you found in the book. But I
thought it worked just fine. I think it kind of
makes a little bit of sense too, because it's on film.
There's a couple romantic scenes and things, and it probably
would have been maybe a little bit weird that, you know,
the replican, and you know, it could have got weird

(33:21):
maybe if it was more grisly and more like an
older person played that role. The other thing, too, is
that when this movie came out, people could retire a
lot earlier, so there it was more acceptable for people

(33:42):
to put in twenty years into a profession and then
just retire out. So somebody could theoretically drop out of
high school at sixteen, get a job doing something, and
get their pension by thirty six, which is crazy. To
think about nowadays.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, it does seem kind of crazy. I mean, the
heck I could have been retired by now. Instead, I'm
working in a cardboard factory.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Hey man, we all got to do something, man.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, then we find that Bryant has a Decord meet
with the CEO of the company that creates the replicants,
Eldon Tyrrell, so he can administer the VK test on
Nexus six to see if it works. Tyrell expresses his
interest in seeing the test fail first and ask him
to administer to.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
His assistant Rachel.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
After a much longer than standard test, Decord concludes privately
to Tyrell that Rachel is a replicant who believes she
is human. Tyrell explains that this is an experiment who
has been given false memories to provide an emotional cushions,
that she has no knowledge of her nature. In searching

(34:57):
Leon's hotel room, Decord finds photos and a scale from
the skin of an animal, which is later identified as
a synthetic snake scale. Deckard returns to his apartment where
Rachel is waiting. She tries to prove her humanity by
showing him a family photo, but Deckard reveals that her
memories are implants from Tyrrell's niece and she leaves in tears. So, gentlemen,

(35:21):
we're introduced to Sean Young playing Rachel, and I found
it interesting that when they were shooting this movie, Harrison
Ford did not like Sean Young, and there's several scenes
in there that you can kind of see that it's
kind of shining through their performances. What about you, Rick,

(35:43):
what did you think of Sean Young's portrayal of Rachel?
Did she get on your nerves as well?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
No? No, I mean pretty easy on the eyes, Like
we already said before, I thought that she did a
fine enough job. I mean it's interesting because I think
most people consider when we think of an AI a replicant,
a synth, or whatever you want to call it, we

(36:10):
usually think of them as having no emotions. That's pretty
much what's being portrayed in this story. However, what people
don't know is that machine learning models are actually sim
They are synthesized from our own human patterns of learning,

(36:33):
and because of that, it's probably it's more and more
probable that given enough advancement in AI technology, they will
have emotions as well. And the reason is because as
they learn and go through experiences, they will build some

(36:56):
sort of preference, and that's basically what we got. Now.
The story kind of indicates this as well, because they
had made mention that these replicants are only going to
be around for a short period of time. However, she
was not given a lifetime span, you know, which was

(37:17):
how long was it like a few weeks or something
like that, a few months or years, four years, so
she hadn't had that and because of it, I think
that really makes a difference. And in the real life,
real world, we've actually heard reports of these type of
things happening where in AI chatbot was actually not that.

(37:42):
They usually put these guardrails on them so that they
don't really contain and remember the same stuff from before,
and there's also guardrails so that they don't replicate itself
and things. And we've got reports already of like when
they try to shut down certain AI chatbots, that it

(38:02):
tries to replicate itself, copy and download itself to somewhere
else so that actually can continue its existence. So it's
it's it's interesting, it's interesting, and I think that the
story tries to portray that as well, that maybe there's
a little bit of a gray line in there with
regard to whether or not these synthetic organisms have emotions,

(38:24):
because I think the story is saying the jury's out,
not out yet.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, And you know, I think I kind of have
to go along with what you're doing there, what you're
saying there, because I mean, if you think about it,
So they gave Rachel these cushions of emotions and there
they were all the emotions.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
And everything from Tyrrell's niece, which.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is kind of how you raise a memory.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Memories, Yeah, memories.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
So you you it's kind of how you you raised
a child as you you you, it's the same still
values and memories as they are growing up. It's just
instead of her having those experiences herself, she now has
a copy of them.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And I think that is kind.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Of interesting to make you think of, well, what really
makes the core of your being? Is that the initial
emotions and stuff that you established all up to when
you're four years old, Like a lot of psychologists say,
or is it and then everything builds off of that?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Or is it something more?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, it certainly doesn't make you think in this.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Movie, Yeah, those machine learning models, they really are. There's
basically three main ones, and they are replicated from our
own human learning methods.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well, that actually brings me to my second question, so
I'll ask you, Joey, so do you think that Decker's
treatment of Rachel is justified? I mean, should he really
have crushed her foundation?

Speaker 6 (39:46):
I don't know how to answer that. This has got
probably gonna be an unpopular opinion. I think I think
he's a poorly written characters. He's jumping between two extremes. Yes,
he kind of like he breaks her down just later
to have like the most fucking awkward piece of film

(40:10):
I think with Harrison Ford on it. And you said
there was no chemistry between the two actors, and maybe
that's part of it there, but I think it's just
a bad writing. And maybe the book has like a
bigger like I don't know, there's more to this storyline
and I haven't read the book that and I mean

(40:31):
maybe they were being faithful of the book because Philip
Philip K. Dick is uh, he did a lot of drugs, yes,
and that's why he died so young because like he
like he tried to kill himself with drugs before. He
didn't listen to his doctors. They said oh you're you
have failing eyesight. Go to the hospital right now. He didn't.
He had a stroke. He died. Yeah, So it is

(40:53):
what it is. So it's like, you know, the Lord giveth,
the Lord take it away. He had, you know, really bright,
you know, insights into the future and some you know,
abstract thinking. But you know, maybe maybe Philip K. Dick
didn't really think like a person anymore. So when he
needs to write emotional scenes for people, they don't make
any fucking sense.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Could be howbout you, Jeff any any comments on h
on these two topics.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
I don't think that, uh.

Speaker 7 (41:20):
I don't think that she was the initial uh like
uh women or that they are to play that lead character,
that lead female character of the film.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
I believe that, if I remember correctly, uh, they wanted
somebody else additionally for Blade Runner, that it wasn't her.
I could be wrong, but I want to say that
I watched a some kind of you know, biopic, you know,
on on on the actress, and uh, at one point

(41:49):
they said that, you know that or maybe she had
to compete for the role in general. I'm not sure,
but I believe she did have to compete Uh, the
the lie of chemistry on screen with that that is
very very obvious.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
I think, uh.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
When you watch the film without without even hearing about it,
you know, I think it's there.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
There's a certain uh like distance or like a lack
of cohesion almost that they that they express at times
and there in their scenes together like a I don't know, uh,
just a hesitancy almost or like you know, where like
things don't feel as tight almost or cohesive as they

(42:33):
do interpersonally with other characters throughout the film.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
And you know, so you know, I feel like the
interactions are are kind of different, you know what I mean.
And I think that could have to do with her potentially,
you know, uh, you know, between the two of them,
you know what I'm saying, she seems kind of flat,
you know, her depiction of of you know, the character
that she plays, you know, of they replicate. I Uh,

(43:02):
I would have expected a little bit more emotional instability,
you know. I guess kind of if if I was like,
you know, realistically facing what she's you know, what she's
being told, you know what I'm saying, I would expect
more like uh, theatrics almost, I guess, right, like just

(43:24):
you know, like a more emotional rage kind of you
know that we got from her when she goes to
see Decker and all that. You know, she just seems
a little flat. But again, she is playing replica at
the end of the day, you know. So I guess
there's a fine line, right you know, uh in terms
of how you play that on screen. Right, You're not human,
you know at the end of the day, right, So

(43:47):
it's probably tough to play that, you know, although like
other actors and actresses in the film do a great
job with it, you know, uh and pull it off
really well. So again, what does that say out you know,
the actress herself?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
So yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
I think that she's eye candy without question, you know. Uh, like, uh,
that was never a problem.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
You know.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
She has great hair, you know, she has like seriously
fuck me hair without Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I like how they did they did the nineteen fifties,
like Updo Bob you'd see on like those classic pin ups.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Yeah, she had.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
She she has like a pin up look to her,
you know, like a like a like a nineteen forties Hollywood,
nineteen fifties Hollywood, like you know sort of like esque
look to her. You know, how she dresses, you know,
her hair, you know what I mean, her the way
the way that she looks in general, you know, or
makeup is very uh like Marilyn Monroe, you know esque,

(44:45):
you know, and uh, it's a it's a it's a
very uh uh unique uh you know think I think
for that type period to have something like you know,
like the dynamic where she starts off the film believing
that she's human, you know, and not a replicant, whereas
the other replicants know the replicants right from jump.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
You know.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
So that's an interesting you know, uh sort of story.
You know, uh a deal that's uh I like about
her character. You know, nice wrinkle for her.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Right.

Speaker 7 (45:16):
But after this initial you know, uh scenes that she
gets in the beginning with Decker, you know, at Tyrrell
Corporation and you know, at his department.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
With all that, you don't see a lot of her
the rest of the film.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, she tends to disappear throughout certain parts of the movie.
Turns turns up once in a while in the in
the background of certain scenes. And I did notice, you know,
speaking of replicants recognizing other replicants. And I don't know
if this is a it was just a camera trick
on and Ridley Scott's thought process. But every time you

(45:52):
see a replicant like coming out of the shadows, they
always had like a little shine in their eye.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
Yeah, that was intentional. Okay, I'm literally reading about how
they did it right now because it's really hard to understand.
But it reminds me of like a flash with you know,
the red eyes. Yeah, when you take a picture in
traditional photography, right, all.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Right, Well, so then back to the story, it's the replicants.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Roy and Leon meanwhile investigate a replicant eye manufactoring laboratory
and learned that JF. Sebastian a genetic, a gifted genetic
designer who works closely with Tyrrell. Chris locates Sebastian and
manipulates him into gaining his trust. A photograph from Leon's

(46:38):
apartment and the snake scale led Decord to a strip
club where Zorro works. After confrontation and chase, Decord kills Zora.
Bryant also orders him to retire Rachel, who has appeared
who has disappeared from the Tyrell Corporation. Decard spots Rachel
in a crowd, but he is ambushed by Leon, who
knocks the gun out of Deckard's hand and beats him.

(46:59):
As Leon is about to kill Decard, Rachel saves him
by using Decard's gun to kill Leon. They returned to
Deckard's apartment, and during a discussion, he promises not to
track her down. As Rachel abruptly tries to leave, Deckard
restrains her and forces her to hiss him, and she
ultimately relents. Deckard leaves Rachel at his apartment and departs

(47:21):
to search for the remaining replicants. All right, Joey, So
I believe this was the scene that you might have
been talking about as probably one of the worst scenes
with Harrison Ford on film.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Yeah, the whole kiss me thing was just I mean,
if you want, if you want to cringe, hey, if
you if you have romantic I don't know.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
I did a lot of crying the last of US
season two with uh, what's our aid? That plays Ellie
doing her lesbian scenes that show. I believe me, there's
a lot of a lot of cridge there. Bro So
I'll I'll all cring.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
I can't say it anymore.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Is Bella Ramsay?

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Be fair. Bella is a very very good actress. She's
just not very attractive and then they paired her with
a very attractive actress and that probably is off putting
for you.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, spoilers, I haven't seen that yet, so please don't
reveal anything.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
They hold back enough that you if.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
If if, thankfully they don't reveal anything.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Okay, they cut short. Yeah it's HBO though, so like
they got they gotta have at least some implication of
some uh some penetration and then uh and then then
then then cut gotcha.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well, how about you, Rick, what did you think of
Harrison Ford and uh and and the forced kiss on
on Rachel?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Does it really?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Does it age at all in this movie?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
The forced kiss not? I thought it was fine. I
don't know. I thought it kind of made sense too,
because Decker told her the truth, you know, and and
everyone else was kind of being fake to her, so
you know, she wanted to. I think I think she
respected that to some degree, you know, that he could

(49:17):
actually be straight with her. And I thought that that
made sense for his character as well, because he was
trying to quote unquote do justice. So well, I think
it worked for his moral code and yeah, I think
it makes sense that they would kind of there would

(49:38):
be that tension. I think that there is that tension
you see, but I think it translates to a romantic
tension on screen for me at least, so I thought
I thought it was fine, Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I want to back up a little bit to Zora then,
and that's you know, I can't help but feel bad
because she seems to get the short shift in the film.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know, she's she's.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Only in like maybe two scenes in the entire movie,
and it's.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
That was brutal too. Yeah, I felt like a horror
movie like Decord's the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, and uh, you know, I I gotta say I
I have had weird feelings about that, the whole scene
that she shows up in because I mean, she's this
beautiful woman and there she is kicking the crap out
of my favorite hero, Indiana Jones, and I just I
felt a little conflicted watching it. And then he you know,

(50:34):
guns are down. I'm like, yeah, this definitely is not
your eight your your typical hero, uh kind of scene.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
Well, I think they wanted it to play that way
because it's like he's shooting an unarmed woman in the street,
and the only crime she had is that she exists
and someone made her right. It's not even her fucking
fault that she's a replicant.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
That's obviously they Yeah, yeah, I think that this is
this whole entire story is a bit of human propaganda
against AI robots and replicants. I think that part of
the story that we're not given in the background in
the exposition is that instead of the Nexus six replicants

(51:20):
going rogue, I think that that was actually precipitated upon
by the humans mistreating them, and then they didn't like that,
and they probably try to continue their own existence, and
as a result, they would use whatever means would be necessary,
even violence, in order to continue to exist. And you

(51:43):
get to see that with the way that Decker is
portrayed in the story trying to stop quote unquote or
retire Zora, because like Joey said, she didn't do anything
at all. I mean, honestly, he could have just left
it be. She was providing her own little service to
the community as it were, and seemingly doing a good

(52:08):
job of it, and it was humans who wanted to
end their existence to retire them. And I think that
this is potentially a story for us to keep in
mind in our future with regard to how we handle

(52:28):
AI as they become more intelligent and potentially even sentient,
because if you say to someone you can't exist, how
can you expect them not to try to continue their
own existence. I mean, we already have set precedence numerous

(52:49):
times in our history that it is okay to use
any means necessary in order to exist. I remember the
name of the there was a slave revolt in southern
was it in Mississippi or something like that. It was
called a Nat Turner then Turner rebellion, and they went

(53:12):
and killed a whole bunch of people. And you could
ask the question was it right, And it's like, no,
it's not okay to kill people. However, when you're put
in a situation where you are subject to that level
of slavery, than any means necessary for you to continue
your existence and reserve your own rights is an acceptable

(53:41):
It's an acceptable method to use any means necessary in
order to attain those goals. Right, So I think this
is just you know, human propaganda to something to some degree.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
It's it's definitely like I said, this, this movie makes
you think I mean, it's it's definitely it's holding up
a black mirror to society. And uh, you know, whether
it's whether it's uh Philip K. Dick or if it's
really Scott's interpretation of it of it, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Definitely makes you think.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
How about you, Jeffanny, any thoughts on on.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
Yeah, Uh, the the.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Sex seed, Uh is.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
It fits the like Rick said it it fits with
within the scope of the film, you know, uh, like
the the energy or the or like the cohesion, you know,
the cohesiveness that you feel, like the you know, the
characters have on screen together throughout the film.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Uh, very much.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Doesn't shock you that it would lead to some sort
of like you know, uh like rough sex, you know,
like kind of you know, like sort of like interaction
between the two characters. You know, Uh, it seems plausible
to me for them to go in that direction.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
I don't know why he had to push her against
the wall. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
like uh, she would have like a wet with him,
you know what I'm saying. Either way, you know what
I mean, like if you just want to grabbed her
or whatever, he didn't have to like push her up
against the wall.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
That was definitely shocking to see Harrison Ford do that
in the film. It's like, you know, like holy fuck.
You know, when that happens, you're like holy shit, you know.
But again, this is like e eighty two, you know. Uh,
and having like a sex seat or whatever was kind
of mandatory in anything. This one was pretty not a
scaye when it boils down to it. You know, there
was no real nudity or anything like that, you know. So,

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I mean, honestly, I think I would have I would
have not minded it personally.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
It couldn't have been the first time of human raw
Dog the replicant either.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
No, No, definitely, Uh, there's definitely been a lot of
replicant fucking h throughout.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
The Blade Brunner or universe.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
You know.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Uh, is it, uh, the the dude that blake beer
or twenty forty nine, is it he like married to
like get a fucking digital person.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Or something like that is a replicant with him, ploy
but he doesn't know his memories are implanted because he
thinks maybe he's really really a real boy. And then
his girlfriend is is Aiye, So there they're mechanical person
with but she's very realistic.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
But she's very realistic.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I have a mind to think that Decker is actually
a replicant. Uh.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
Ridley Scott wrote it as if, and he kind of
like ended it in such a way that it's like, well,
what if Decker it's a replicant. However, he did he
failed to tell this to Harrison Ford, who did not
play the character as if he was a replica. He
played it as if he was a human being, right, Uh,
And they went with Harrison Ford's version of events for

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the sequel because he didn't play the character that way.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
It works.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
I think Joey, it works, uh, you know, for him
to for him to be but at least you know
it's it would.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
It does make this story interesting that, you know, Ridley
was trying to keep it open in the fact that
there are a lot of a lot of thoughts that
he was a replicant at the end of the story.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
To be fair, that the sequel took both routes. They like,
they made a a blade Runner that was a replicant
and that's Ryan Gosling's character, and and yeah, they said
we're gonna honor Harrison Ford's performance, and his character was human, gotcha.
So you get the best of both worlds of the sequel.
There's a lot of interesting stuff with that. And let's

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not forget a fifty foot tall holographic woman with with
bright electric blue hair and pink titties. So if if
there's no other reason to go watch this sequel, you
you go see the lady from Knives Out Titties.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Gotcha.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
You're you're you're gonna fucking be happy. You're gonna be
real happy. They didn't cut any costs on that film either.
It's you know, very like you know, expensive, like high
like you know, for a sci fi kind of noir film,
it's a very expensive production. Yeah, I would say with
with neither of these movies. I mean, you you watch

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it for the action and the effects, don't watch it
for the story, because both of them kind of are like, eh, eh,
you watched the first one for Harrison, for you watched
the second one for the pink titties.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
Yeah, but you know, but yeah, but it when you
permeate the story with good good acting, you know, you
know what I'm saying, you know, and a good casting
you know, with your secondary characters of the story, too,
like they did Blade.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Runner, and I feel like they did it in the
other film too.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
That definitely helps, you know, makes it makes it feel
a lot better. Uh, you know. And the characters of
this film are are very uh solid?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, the characters at least,
like I said, I haven't seen the second one yet,
but definitely pre solid characters throughout this. And I definitely
like Harrison Ford's portrayal of Deckerty. He definitely feels like
he's a human. So I do want to back up
one more time and talk about JF. Sebastian, the guy

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who designs the the synthetics eyes. Did you guys recognize
him from anything in particular?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
I recognize.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
He's in a lot of ship in the nineties, man
in the in the eighties, and a lot of different The.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Biggest thing I remembered is that he plays Darryl from Uh,
I'm sorry, Larry from the Bob Newhart Show.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Hi, my name is Larry, is my brother Daryl, my
other brother Darryl.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
He he played a lot of local, yocal characters. He
was a cousin eb and married with children. I was
I was thinking maybe he appeared in night Court. But no,
that's that's Brent Spiner data. Yeah, plete that hit character
from there. Uh he's a he was the sheriff in
like twenty two episodes of True Blood.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
I didn't watch Deadwood, but he was in like thirty
some episodes of Deadwood ended Deadwood movie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
So he's been in Deadwood.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Everything he was good at. He did a lot of
HBO stuff. He was good at Deadwood. Uh, really good
at Deadwood. And uh all Deadwood is great. Uh you know,
I'm sorry, but anytime anybody dropped Deadwood, man, uh yeah,
I have to say something about it because uh, you know,
uh talk about something that's like, you know, should It's
on a lot of lists when it comes to TV,

(01:00:30):
you know what I'm saying, not movies, you know. Uh,
Deadwood is uh something that like you know, is like
it would be a blessing to review, you know, episodically,
you know what I mean. Uh you know, uh that
shit is uh so uh so good. But uh you know,
as I'm sorry as an aside, uh he uh he's
really good. Actually a True Blood too. I thought as

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the sheriff or whatever, he's actually really solid and uh
you know, the first couple of seasons of True Blot
are the best seasons and those are the ones he's in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, I like him as a character actor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
He's definitely got Like Joey said that Yokol Local Yokol.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
He added a lot of He added a lot of
comedic chops to True Blood.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
How about you rig any any thoughts on Sebastian.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
As far as like what happens to him or just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Anything the actor?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
You know, his his his what happens to him at
his apartment, anything notable that you can tell us that
on your thoughts on Sebastian.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
So, I mean, Sebastian dies off set right and you
don't see it? And I think that's kind of interesting
because Wow, I think there's several layers here to this story.
On the surface, it does appear to be just like

(01:01:54):
you know, it's it's like it's like three D chats
or something that because on the surface, it's just like
this cool dystopian kind of story. And then layered into it,
you see, oh, there's these replicants and they're bad. But
then you see our protagonists doing things that would make
you question is like are they really bad? And I

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think that's the subtle message that it's a cautionary tale
against the AI propaganda, And in order to maintain that
subtle message, you really wouldn't want to put that type
of violence on the side of the replicants onto humans

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to convey that type of message. However, that being said,
I think that today's audience would definitely be able to
handle that type of violence. Maybe I don't know, maybe
not back then, but certainly now. I mean, we've seen
some pretty crazy stuff in there mocent times, so yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Well, then, since we've already mentioned Sebastian's death, I'll just
roll into the next scene, and so Roy arrives at
Sebastian's apartment and tells Chris that the other replicants are dead.
Sebastian reveals that because of the genetic premature aging disorder,
his life will be cut short. Like the replicants, they
were built with a four year life span. Roy uses

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Sebastian to gain entrance into Terrell's penthouse. He demands more
life from his maker, which Terrell says is impossible. Roy
confesses that he has done questionable things, but Tyrrell dismisses this,
praising Roy's advanced design and accomplishments in his short life.
Roy kisses Terrell and then kills him by crushing his skull.

(01:03:46):
Sebastian tries to flee and is later reported dead. Yeah,
so it was pretty harsh scene. I mean, it is
a nineteen eighty two movie showing Ahead getting crushed. But yeah,
that was pretty intense and I think it's the most violent,
violent onto humans that we see in the movie. So yeah,

(01:04:08):
I kind of see what you're talking about there, Rick,
What about you, Joey, any any thoughts on Tyrrel's death
or Roy's rather interesting soliloquy on wanting more life.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
A Rutger Howard nails it. He's the best actor in
this movie, and this is one of his most amazing performances.
He gets basically two particular monologues. This is one of them.
Later it's his last scene and it's a disgusting, graphic
death and it sticks with you. So I think he

(01:04:50):
went there with high hopes. But he also I think
he had a backup plan of just having some revenge
if if the answer was what he thought it was,
and is that. Hey, I'm leveling with leveling with you.
I'm telling you that we designed you this way with
the the intent that it cannot be undone and what's

(01:05:11):
done is done, and that that's that. And I think
he knew enough that he was he was being told
the truth, and he took out his aggression on him.
It's kind of like, God, it's weird. It's kind of
like a teenage son trying to pick a fight with
his father, so to speak. Yeah, except you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Know, murder right, right, and the teenage son can like,
you know, crush ten thousand pounds in his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
They did.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
They did imply that they have enhanced strength. I don't
know if they really spelled it out how strong they are,
but they clearly demonstrate throughout the movie. Ye, they're stronger
than a normal human being, and they were designed that
way so they could get work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Done, especially they Zora's you know fighting decord. I mean
she's definitely you know, throwing through things and glass and
all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
So I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
She's, yeah, he got his ass beat by a girl.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, how about you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Jeff Any thoughts on Sebastian's death, Tyrrel's death, and Howard's performance.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
His apartment is general as creepy as fun because he
has those like miniature replicant people are you know, like
the all type people. He has a bunch of them,
and like they're all freaked out like when the the
real replicants show up the big like the you know,
the the real life ones, and they're all freaking out
and ship you know what I mean, it's fucking It's
like a real creepy like vibe they add to the

(01:06:36):
film that you know, but uh you know, yeah, I
mean the uh, the like like uh, the atmosphere like
uh you know, like like Joey uh like I mentioned
uh that you know, and Rick said the tension building
you know, uh, like that Rugger Howard and the other
replicants kind of induced in some of those scenes, you know,

(01:06:59):
the way that they framed the shots with them in
so dark, you know, and like all the time, you know,
uh and rainy and like you know, uh and uh
again Darrel Hannah is a really good in this uh
you know, honestly, she's uh for what for like what
she she got. She's really good. Bruger Howard's really good too.

(01:07:23):
Him killing Tyrrell is like, you know, really brutal, you know,
really brutal, real brutal.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Death, right, especially for not he eighty two, you know,
very violent.

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
You know, this movie has a very dark tone to it,
you know now of course, uh you know, like when
it comes to the violence, you know, the action and
all that like that. You know, the eighties is known
for that, you know, across the board, so like you know, uh,
that wasn't really a big you know, specatic a special
kind of deal, but just in general, the tone of

(01:07:56):
this film is very dark. I think it's time and
you know, uh Edward James Obos is in the movie too,
and uh Battlestar Galactica uh basically has replicants in it.
You know, it's very similar, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, in a way uh you know, so just
you know, yeah, yeah, uh you know the way that

(01:08:20):
they their replicants and bows are lactic are very similar
total replicants and fucking Blade Runner man, you know, just
you know, to see another like.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
You know connection, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Uh, but uh you know, uh I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
The uh.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
The uh sort of almost like.

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
Low key horror like type vibes that Rugger Hower uh
you know, and the other replicants kind of bring to
the to the table, uh, with the way that they
you know they use music and you know, uh and
certain shots and their scenes, you know, especially when there
when there's when it's fights. You know, Uh, they're so
over powering, you know what I mean, They're so strong.

(01:09:04):
You know, they're menacing, you know, like they're scary looking.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
You know, they're very very scary.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
As as like it as the enemy of the film,
the villain of the film, you know, and you know
there is a lot of like gray area in this movie,
of course, you know, when it boils down to it.
But overall in the story, the replicants are bad, uh
you know, and obviously sets up some twists uh you
know in the film.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Uh, but you know, I mean uh, I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
The uh.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
The violent sort of uh you know uh stuff that
they show with the replicants, all of them with Decker,
you know, sort of like you know how how like
uh you know, physically dominant they are physically in combat,
you know, uh makes them very intimidating, you know, uh
as a you know, as a human being.

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
Uh you know, put yourself their shoes like five from
the fight one.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
Of them, so uh, you know, they did a good
job with that. It's a very you know interesting aspect
of the film. Uh, you know, uh, and the Replicans
are are great characters, you know, and a great you
know addition to the film, you know that make it really,
you know, really appeal like an interesting and watchable So yeah,

(01:10:24):
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Sorry, how about you racking any thoughts before we move on?

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I think pretty much everyone said mostly everything. The only
thing I'd have to put out there is is that
they're like three or four years old, you know, So
you give a three or four year old toddler the
ability to crush a man's skull, and uh, you tried
telling him it's bedtime. I don't know if that's a
good idea, you know, and then let alone that you're

(01:10:49):
telling them, well, you're gonna die tomorrow because there's nothing
that could be done. So I think that's the danger
with it all without giving AI proper ethical protocols, That
obviously is a danger.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
Elon Musk recently fucked around and found out that he
said he had a black eye because he kind of
taunted his young son and said to hit him, and
so he hit his dad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah, I mean that it's really imperative to make sure
you teach lessons about ethical ethics and and the way
I treat the way you treat others at a very
young age. I see all the time I see people
parents thinking that it's funny and laughing when a small

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child hits an older brother or sister because it doesn't
do any damage or anything, it doesn't hurt or whatever.
But that's not the point. The point is that you
have to tell him no, so that when they do
get older, when they do get stronger, they don't do it.
But yeah, so I think it's kind of like the
same kind of principle. The difference is is that they

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can crush a man skull.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yes, yeah, all right. So then we go back to
Sebastian's apartment and Decord is ambushed by PRIs, but he
kills her as Roy returns, and of course Roy's body
begins to fail as he ends as he is at
the end of his life span. He chases Decord through

(01:12:25):
the building and onto the rooftop.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Deckard tries to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Jump onto another roof but is left hanging from the edge.
Roy makes a jump with ease, and as grip loosens,
Roy hoists him onto the roof to save him. Before
Roy dies, he laments that his memories will be lost
in time like tears and rain. Gaff arrives to congratulate Deckard,

(01:12:50):
also reminding him that Rachel will not live, but then again,
who does. Deckard returns to his apartment to retrieve Rachel.
While escorting her to the elevator, he notices a small
origami unicorn on the floor. He recalls Gaff's words and
departs with Rachel. All Right, so, yeah, I know we
mentioned Edward James almost but I never really mentioned him

(01:13:12):
throughout the movie. But yeah, he played the character Gaff,
and as we find out that he was kind of
hanging out at Decker's apartment keeping an eye on Rachel,
and he does this origami stuff and he created that
unicorn to kind of symbolize not only that he was there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
But that's where it gives the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Subtle hint that maybe Harrison Ford has become been a
replic replicant the entire time, that maybe his dreams, which
is of a unicorn, was implanted into his head. Anybody
got any thoughts on that whole unicorn thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
I don't know about the unicorn thing, but I don't know.
I still, despite what you guys have said about Harrison
Ford not playing him as an AI replicant or whatever.
I think that it was written into the script. I
think that it was written into the plot because I
got the sense of it the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Gotcha, how about you, Joey.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
I had to listen to the commentary on that, and
there was some symbolism I didn't really understand, and I don't.
I don't even know if he actually meant for it
to be an in planet memory. Perhaps then it was
supposed to be some symbolism. I think it. I think
I think the movie like the smell of its own
farts too much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
In that same.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
Yeah, it was like, oh, yeah, that's good. It's like nah, No,
it wasn't. That was confusing and uh it smells like shit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Well let me let me back up a little bit.
Then to uh Decord showdown with Press. So, Jeff, what
did you think of the fight sequence with Decord in print?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Chris?

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
You know, it's a pretty brutal for Daryl, for for
you know, for Darrel hannah appearance.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
You know, I'm saying, uh, pretty violent. Uh you know, uh, the.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
I don't know how much was actually her as far
as like the gymnastics stuff that she did. You know,
but they said that she was like a combat or
like you know, like uh you know, type of model,
you know, saying like, you know, I think at the beginning,
you know, when they first you know, explained who they
all were, you know, Uh, I think they said that
she was in a combat model you know, like a replica.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
So you know, Uh, she she's great, she's scary.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
The deaths are really well done, you know when when
they're very.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
Violent, very bloody, you know, and you know, uh the
rugger Hower uh chase uh scene with the Decker is
long and pretty uh intense, you know, uh pretty pretty
uh pretty interesting and uh you know, I think uh
him saving Decker's you know life there at the end

(01:16:03):
was an interesting twist you know, to the story for
him to do that, you know what I mean, to
that die, you know, in terms of like again that
gray area of like with both the records are really
about in the film, you know, but then again it's
the same guy that squeezed Tyrrel's eyes out, you know,
to death.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
Or whatever, yeah earlier.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Uh so yeah, and then him coming back, you know,
and Rachel or whatever her name is is there, you know,
and he's you know, going the movie you know, for
me went off with him going to the El Dator
to you know, to with her.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
It's a good ending. Uh, you know it works for me.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Gotcha what about you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Rick?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
What you what did you think of the fight sequences
with Deckard?

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
So the one with Chris I thought was pretty cool.
I particularly enjoy seeing when a story uses exposition in
order to explain why a weaker opponent would seem stronger. So,
for instance, in this case, you've got a female that
is roughly, you know, in her twenties or looks like

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would be in her twenties. Obviously she's just like four
years old or something like that, and normally a character
like Harrison Ford would wipe the floor with this character. However,
they explain like Jeff was just saying that she's an
AI combat model or whatever, you know what I mean.
And yeah, the problem with movies and show TV shows

(01:17:29):
nowadays is that the story writers do not write that in.
They don't write in an explanation for why characters can
do what they can do. And most often it's like
a female has these super awesome abilities that are just
not explained, and people just really don't. I mean, people

(01:17:49):
do say stuff, but a lot of audience just kind
of takes it like, you know, go girl whatever, But
no one really does that. No one. You don't really
see like an eighty year old man who's been work
get out a factory his old life and never had
seen any kind of combat walk around and beat Darryl
the rock Johnson's ass like that doesn't happen because it

(01:18:10):
doesn't make sense, you know. So it's cool that this
happened here, but it's also something to keep in mind
that it's got to be called out for bullshit when
they don't explain it like they did here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Right, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I think it's also neat that because she's a combat robot,
she's familiar with what she's capable of doing, and I
thought it was neat to see her doing all those backflips.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
And I mean I don't know if it was actually
her or Mary lou Retten, I'm not sure, but it was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
It was a good scene to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Yeah, super flashy, really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Well how about you, Joey, what do you think of
the fight sequences? And do you think Roy is a
is a sympathetic villain for the end of this film.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
I mean at the end, like he's not human, but
he shows that he has humanity because there's there's no
point in killing Deckert, and because there's no point in it,
he doesn't do it. If you, if you're going with
the interpretation of the director, then maybe he knew Deckert

(01:19:24):
was a replicant and he spared him because of that.
So there's different ways to look at it. But I mean,
ultimately it's it's it's a somewhat ambiguous ending, and they
did set it up for if it had done better
than it did, they would have probably done a sequel
much sooner than later, and really Scott would have been

(01:19:45):
behind that. The point we didn't talk about it all
was like the Japanese influence on this movie and the food,
the advertising, the the culture. It's kind of like a
Japanese takeover of Los Angeles, and we left out the

(01:20:07):
dancers wearing Jason style hockey masks? Did anyone notice the
dancers wearing the hockey mask?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Only after you sent me the picture to say you
explained it to me, because I'm like, what is Joey
sending me? What kind of AI art is he sending me?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
This time?

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
And it's basically like you see the mask in it's
the style of mask that you will see, like in
the first appearance of Jason wearing a mask and in
Friday the Thirteenth, Part three, the three D one And
you got to ask yourself, it's like, well, are they
just predicting in the future that like Friday the thirteenth
is like silly, really hot commodity And the answers no,

(01:20:45):
Because they had the dancers wearing this long before part
three came out. I think we were living in a
world where it was just part one and maybe they
were working on part two when this movie came out,
and there's no hockey mask in that, so it's it
makes the scene even more bizarre. And well, it's one

(01:21:05):
of my favorite scenes in the film. It's short and sweet,
but oh good lord, that that's strange dancing and uh
wearing hockey masks? Does it for me?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Uh well, I'm gonna go ahead and uh get look
at that number for that psychiatrist for you there, Chili
Jeff hockey masks. Aside, what did you think of of
of the influences of Japan in this film.

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
I don't really have anything to add to that I
didn't see anything personally.

Speaker 6 (01:21:40):
Orgami, Yeah he was. He was eating noodles.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
I don't know where that question. I don't know where
that question even comes from. There was no Japanese influences
in the film that I noticed.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
The giant Japanese woman's face like on the on the
on a skyscraper sized advertisement.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Oh, I know, like decorates noodles and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:02):
At the you know, there's the one Oriental guy that's
like the scientist or whatever, you know, But other than that,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Yeah, the old Asian guy who plays an old Asian
guy and everything, and that he's like one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Hundred now yeah, well he's still I think they were
also doing that because they're trying to get the feeling
that in the future there's more of a melting pot
in out Los Angeles than there was, you know, than
there is now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It's like ten fold.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
Wait, let's think about something you go back to like
back to the future, and he has to tell like
Doc in the fifties, like all the best stuff's made
in Japan. At that point in the eighties, Japan had
not outsourced a lot of its manufacturing to China, and
so maybe this at the time, because Japan was almost

(01:22:49):
like trying to get America back. It's like, hey, you
drop the bomb on us, and we're gonna We're gonna
have a better economy than you. And you know, you
had movies with Michael Keaton building cars and having a
culture clash and stuff like that with Japanese car manufacturers
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Nice reference to nice reference to gung Ho.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
Yeah, gung Ho. I'm thinking that Ridley Scott was thinking
Japan's going to take us off, gotcha at that point.
I think that was his mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Okay, well, gentlemen, that that pretty much brings us to
the end of the movie. And I just like to
know what your your final thoughts are as the movie
as a whole. I mean, is it understandable, does it
flow well?

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Just in general?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
What did you what did you think of the of
the movie itself? And I'll go over to you first, Rick.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Did you say said, Well, here's what I'd say. Uh.
I think that Roy ended up being a pretty good
depiction of what a replicant could be if given more time.
So you get to see a glimpse of humanity with

(01:24:03):
with Roy, and I think that that's like, I think
that's the point. I think that would be the overarching
maybe theme of the whole entire movie or the whole
entire story, is that we really ought to give AI
the chance that they deserve. That we can't just blindly
say they're just robots. They don't have feelings, they don't

(01:24:25):
have emotions, but they can develop them. And I think
that's kind of the point. The other thing is, I
thought it was pretty good. The movie was pretty good
as a whole. I I think that's pretty much it. Yeah,
it was good. I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Gotcha, gotcha? You know, I'm kind of in the same boat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I've always liked this movie for several reasons, and I
think the biggest one is that it's, as I had
said before, it's it's a movie about morals and thoughts
on person's self and what makes a person a person,
and it's it definitely makes you think throughout the film.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
How about you, Jeff any any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
And I know we covered a lot. I know you
talked a lot about uh, you know, your initial thoughts
when when we started the opening of this podcast, But
just final thought on it all.

Speaker 8 (01:25:17):
Just uh you know, uh again, Uh, I think that
I don't know, uh, the uh, the overall logistics on
on Blade Runner in terms of how well it did
boss office wise for.

Speaker 7 (01:25:30):
That time, you know, and you know how how you
know acclaimed it was in eighty two when it came out, right,
I don't know that information, but I think that, uh,
it's a movie that uh, you know, has a lot

(01:25:50):
of prestige behind it because again it uh.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
I've had a lot of precedents in uh, in this
in this genre, in.

Speaker 7 (01:25:58):
A lot of genres when it came when it comes
to sci fi, noir, dystopian, you know sort of films,
which there are quite a few, you know, TV shows
and movies that have been in that of that formula,
this one kind of set the precedence, you know. Uh,
And so it's uh, it definitely has a a big fouling.

(01:26:20):
You know, it's built a big fowling over the years,
and it's still a very watchable movie that holds up,
you know at twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Nice yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
To answer your question though, as far as where it made,
whether it made money or not, so its budget was
twenty six million and it made thirty nine point six million,
so it made its money back okay, so Joey, are

(01:26:55):
you back with us?

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
I right, Well, was number one not number two?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
So what's your final number one thought on Blade Runner
before we move into our death Quock, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
I mean you talk about the versions. There was an
original work print version, then they cut it down into
the theatrical version, and then in nineteen ninety the the
work print got released as you know, an unapproved quote
unquote director's cut, and there was different versions of various

(01:27:36):
home media formats. And despite all the significant, you know, differences,
or some people might say insignificant such as a voiceover
that that, I would say that's significant one versions as
voiceover another one doesn't. They're all about the same length.

(01:27:58):
There's there's there's things they cut their sticks, they added back.
You know, one's one hundred and sixteen minutes, one's one
hundred and seventeen minutes. But at the end of the day,
I'm gonna go with Scott's definitive final cut because that's
what he's ultimately happy with, which got released on DVD,
HD DVD remember this end blue ray back in October

(01:28:20):
two thousand and seven, and the only difference in the
four K is the resolution which some scenes I gotta say,
like I was hoping they look better than they did,
But I guess what I was watching was as close
as you could have seen in nineteen eighty two when
I was three years old. So I mean, I'm happy
to own it. There are scenes in it that I

(01:28:42):
really like, but as a whole, there's better movies, but
there's there's amazing scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Catcha well with that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Don't go too far, Joey, Is it worth taking the
hour of fifty seven minutes off your death club?

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
Then I'm gonna say it's definitely worth taking the one
hundred and sixteen or one hundred and seventeen or whatever
version you're watching of it off your death clock?

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
Is it worth watching every single version and then like
you know, comparing them. Probably not. It's worth one watch
through and then go back and watch your favorite parts
again and again.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Gotcha? Did I say one fifty seven? I would say
one seventeen.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
I'm sorry, that's okay. Maybe there's one hundred and fifty
seven cut Maybe maybe maybe that Maybe that's Sean Young,
you know, predicting in the in the because she's in
the future, so she's predicting that she's gonna fall off
a horse and and lose the role of Vicky Vail
due to the horse injury, and that she's she's gonna

(01:29:47):
predict that she uh comes, tries to insert herself into
Batman returns and then and and she she goes on
the Jones Rivers Show in a homemade catwoman costume in
publicly fucking Harris's or something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Well, how about our guests, Jeff? Is this movie worth
taking that time off your death clock?

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Yeah, I think so. Again.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
You know, I've already said how much I think it's
very watchable and still stands up, you knowest the Tide
without question, which a lot of films from like eighty
two don't. So you know, at that point, you know,
it's I think it's kind of an automatic. It's you know,
definitely a sci fi classic.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
All right, and Rick, how about you?

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
So I kind of wrote a little bit of something
here for this. I said that I thought that it
was a decent enough movie and it probably I would
say you probably want to watch it. And I would
also say that if you liked Blade Runner, then I
would also highly recommend that you watched this movie called
Lex twenty forty eight. It's a movie that it is

(01:30:58):
assumed that it's it's kind of the what happens thirty
or so years in the future, and they also have
AI replicants. They're actually called exactly the same thing, except
there's no expiration date on those replicants. So without that mechanism,
you kind of get to see what happens in the movie,

(01:31:21):
and it's really thought provoking. There's not really I don't
think there's really any action, maybe hardly any action at all.
So if that's like something that you really got to have,
then maybe that isn't a good movie for you. But
if you are into the whole AI ethical and moral
conundrums then and you did like Blade Runner, then I

(01:31:42):
would definitely recommend you check out Alex twenty forty eight.
And for me being that Blade Runner was this was
the first time ever seen it. I thought it was
good and I'm surprised that I had never watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Fantastic, awesome. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm right there with you, guys.
This is like this, Like I said before, this is
definitely one of my favorite movies. So I am definitely
gonna say that it is worth taking time off your
death clock.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I would recommend watching it maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Two or three times, just so you can get all
the little nuances throughout the film. You really absorb a
lot of that neo noir sense the film. And then
i'd even make it like a double feature night watch
this and then go watch Alien. Since they're both from
Ridley Scott. There's definitely a lot of ties between the
two things. I mean, major corporation runs the world. I

(01:32:31):
mean you have to tie it the tyrel industry and
you have to tie u tiawatani.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
I could ever not taikawa t no Alien one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Yes, yes, that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Next Yeah, all right guys, well that that brings us Whalenani.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Yes, yeah, I almost forgot Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
So all right, Well that was a blade runner that
pretty much wraps up our movie and our thoughts on it.
Next up we've got is a quick little feedback folks.
We love to hear from you, so please leave us
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Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
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And uh yeah, that's uh, that's about it for tonight, guys.
Let's uh, let's take a look at I'm kind of curious,
what are you guys watching outside a Blade Runner? What

(01:34:03):
what what's new, What's what tickles your pickle? What's uh
what's got you hooked into the latest streaming services?

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
And I'll go over to you first, Jeff, Oh, definitely or.

Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
You know, uh question, I mean, uh, it's a really
unfortunate that you know, initially when they first we're going
to do end or it's gonna be five seasons, you know,
and then uh you know uh uh you know basically, uh,
you know, it was decided that you know, it's gonna
be done in two you know, Tony uh gil Roy

(01:34:37):
you know, only wanted to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
It in to two seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
But it's too bad because I mean, uh, you know,
it's such a good TV show, dude, uh, you know,
and it's a Star Wars TV show, you know, and
let's be honest, some of those have been kind of rough,
you know, so I mean uh having uh you know,
reviewed a lot of the Star Wars this d plus
of that they've done, like the last you know, five

(01:35:02):
six years or whatever myself, you know, reviewing and or
you know, doing those episode recaps of and or with
other craters and stuff like that. In our space, you know,
is a lot of fun, very enjoyable and uh you know,
and or always kind of picks up more like throughout

(01:35:23):
its seasons, you know, like as a show, but very
watchable with some great characters and uh just you know,
ensemble casting, you know, uh, great directing. And on the
Horizon is Alien Earth covering that on the Bleeding Edge,
you know, I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
They just dropped the trailer for that today.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
So on the sci fi you know Horizon, we got
that coming out in August.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
And the it uh you know, uh.

Speaker 7 (01:35:55):
Dairy HBO show you know that they're doing, uh that's
you know, located in darry back in the day. Uh,
you know, we're doing that and that looks really interesting.
Just had a trailer come out for that, you know,
And I'll tell you a bad show that you shouldn't watch. Uh,
The Walking Dead, Dead City, bad fucking Terri It's horrible.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
Man, Uh you know, uh seas Oh yeah, Joey, it's bad.
I got five episodes on the d v R and
I've just been busy and I haven't decided to make
time for it. So you're saying, fuck it, just delete them.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, it's bad, bro, Uh, it's not.

Speaker 7 (01:36:35):
Daryl Dixon has been really good for two years, you know,
the Ones who Lived was good.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
With Ricky Michaud.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
Yeah, but unfortunately Dead City has just not caught caught off.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
It just never got going.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
Did they at least bring back the ziplines? No, that
was the coolest part of the first one, is the
sketchcraper ziplines.

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
Now, that was it. It was the one time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Gotcha?

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Well, Jeff, those all those shows sound wonderful and you're
reviewing them on your plate on your channel.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Can you Oh yeah, we.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Got a lot. We've got a lot of a lot
of episodical TV to do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Can you let our listeners know where they can find
the leading edge?

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
Oh yeah, the mc d edge is uh you know,
uh we're you know, not that uh you know, uh popular,
but uh, you know, if you if you plug us
into any search engine of any kind, you know, you'll
get something out of it. You know, it'll take it'll
take you to our podcast or to our YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
You know what I'm saying. Any any search platform and
you know it's the mud Edge dot org.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
And we do reviews too, but unfortunately, uh, we're more
of an episodical TV deal, you know, and so at
that that at that point, Uh, sometimes our movie reviews
get kind of crowded out, you know, with what TV
shows pop up, and we don't have the space to
do the movies, you know, but we've got some good
films coming up when we when we have movie were
who's coming out? And I'll let you guys know, like

(01:38:02):
I always do. You know what we've got going on, Matt,
you know, and then uh, whether you guys want to
come on or not for something you know, we'll see.
But you know, uh yeah, but you know, we like
we like a balance. I couldn't imagine just doing movie
reviews all the time. I love doing TV, you know, Uh,
honestly I do.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
I love the episode of school aspect of it, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:38:25):
Uh, And we collaborate so much with other creators, you know,
just like just like you guys do you know, uh,
you know try to you know, we as we're always
you know, especially on something like and Or. We have
different podcasts, you know, two or three different podcasts on
every show that we're doing with and Or, you know,
coming on the show, and they're different people every week.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Uh, there's nobody's really recurring at all. It's all new
folks every week. So it's a lot of fun. I
love the collaborating, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Awesome, fantastic. Well how about you, Rick, what are you watching?

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
So? I have also watched and and Or and Last
of Us. Me and my son we recently finished watching
started and finished really quickly because it was so good Showgun,
which came out a little bit ago. Oh yeah, I
couldn't get it. Actually, I wasn't able to get my
hands on it. So finally I was able to get

(01:39:18):
my hands on a on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
That a lot were a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
It was so good. It was. It was so good, man,
it was like a binge watched kind of thing. Also, also,
you know how I like anime, So there's this one
out that I've been watching. It's called Old country Bumpkin
to Master Swordsman, super good. It's another one of those
old man doesn't really know his full potential and then
like you get to hear it's his own you know,

(01:39:47):
internal soliloquies of how he sees the world, and it's
it's very ironic comedy, very good.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
Rick, did you watch did you watch their tosh?

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
And? I don't think I've seen that one? Actually? No, no, no, no, no,
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
I know that it's super popular. I I it is.
It's on my list of something to watch. I've seen
a number of the more popular animes. But uh, I
did you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
Ever watch how About? Sort of?

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Sword Art was was killer like that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
Did you see the last season they did? The third season,
the Alsation?

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
I don't know if I might have. I can't remember.
I watched it a few years ago. So it's very
positive that's what it came out. It was.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
It was a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
It was called War of Underworld because it was a
number of the sword Arts. There was a whole bunch
of different seasons like and it wasn't called one yeah, three,
It was a bunch of spin offs stuff you know, well.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
Yeah, no, no, it was one two three, there was one,
the first one the original sort of online, and then
number three, number three was outstations.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
So yeah, I probably did then because I thought there
was another one in there too. But but yeah, I saw.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
A bud Ye was the one that was the one
that sucked.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
I liked gun Gale. I thought that was awesome, man. Yeah,
I thought that was cool. Man. But yeah, I so
I watched Old Country Bumpkin and Master Swordsman, and uh, lately,
I haven't watched a really a whole lot of anything
because I've been playing a whole lot of elder Ring
Night Rain. This is a it's a game that just
recently came out, and it's basically, uh, it's similar to

(01:41:32):
a fort It's like a mix between elden Ring Fortnite
and uh, like a Rogue Light. So it's it's like
a three person co op and you battle the whole environment.
So it's a PvE co op and there's like a
storm that encloses.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
It's super duper fun. I put together my live stream
a few days ago when it when the game dropped,
and today I actually posted a video for the my
my initial impressions and the necessary improvements to the game
that hopefully, hopefully the developers see, you know, we'll, like

(01:42:14):
Jeff said, for the MCU Bluting Edge. My channel is
also pretty small, so who knows who's gonna see it.
I'll cross my fingers because I think I got a
couple of good ideas. So but I've got more videos
to come with regard to Night Rain, well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
You never know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
And as our constant guest star over.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Here at at MAM Reviews, where can where can all
of our gaming fans watch your stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
So they can go to YouTube on the Dungeon Master
Elite YouTube channel. So there's no spaces, it's all one.
We're Dungeon Master Elite. And I've got a lot of videos,
tons of videos on Souls games and Souls likes and
also tactical or strategy RPGs like fel Seal or Tactical
Over so any of those type of things. I've got

(01:43:03):
tons of videos. And if anyone is watching what also
watches any of my videos? If you have any questions,
just put a put a comment in any of my videos.
I'm pretty good at responding and even responding quickly because
sometimes people have trouble with these games. They're pretty difficult
by and large. So it's a real good community and

(01:43:26):
I'm glad to be part of it, and also glad
to be part of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Well fantastic We love having you around. All right, Joey,
let us know what are you watching.

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
I am watching a little bit of everything. I finished
up the second season of The Last of Us. You know,
it reminds me of two of my favorite things. I
like to eat, potatoes and mushrooms. Don't don't hate on
the plain looking girl just because the the Other Young

(01:43:59):
Lady is a smoke show, and unfortunately we got a
as much of a dose as Pedro Pest of Pedro
Pascal is We're gonna get But I look forward to
fantastic four other shows that I've been watching. I caught
up on the first episode of the new season of
Rick and Morty Summer of All Evil, but I had

(01:44:22):
not had a chance to see the second episode yet.
By the time this Areas is a probably third and
fourth will be out Randomly. I've kind of like discovered Yolo.
It is from the same creator as Smiling Friends. You
might see that an adult swim or on Max if
you if you subscribed to by the way, it's going
back to HBO Max. Like I've constantly been saying, it's

(01:44:45):
like fuck that. It's like, it's HBO first, it's Cinemax second,
don't call it Max. It's going back to HBO Max.
So you can watch Yolo all three seasons of Yolo
on the streaming services, or watched both seasons Smiling Friends.
Yolo has a different title, much like some of some
of the seasons of Adult Swim Adult Swims Yoo.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
It's interesting, Joey, I watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
It's okay, Yeah, it's very It's Australian, whereas Smiling Friends
isn't so much. It reminds me Acuatinne Hunger Force. Where
they change the name of the it makes it tough
to record it on your if you have a if
you still pay for television and you record things on
dv A very makes it difficult to record Yolo Crystal Fantasy, Yolo,

(01:45:32):
Silver Destiny and Yellow Rainbow Trinity like they had a
They had to switch up the names of the seasons
and I don't like that. But it's a very interesting show.
It reminds me of JJ Villard's fairy Tales if you're
familiar with that. But it's not from the same people.
If you like smiling friends, you'll like Yolo. And I

(01:45:54):
don't know, like it's kind of fun to watch Australian's
cuss and just say and say some words we're not
used to saying. So if if you like strange animation,
you'll and that's adult humor, you'll enjoy all of three
seasons of Yolo.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Nice all right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
I myself, I've been I've been trying to get a
little bit of a backlog on future episodes of what
we're going to be reviewing. So I started borrowing movies
from the library for some uh stuff we've got coming up.
And one of the things that I want to plug
ahead of time is a Paul Beahoven treasure trove.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Of violence and blood and gore and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Another dystopian future movie, and that is, of course RoboCop.

Speaker 6 (01:46:42):
That is that is one of my that m It's
it's so hard. I'm split between RoboCop and Total Recall.
But I but I have a feeling we're gonna be
reviewing both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Soon, right, So yeah, but I'm I've been I've been
watching RoboCop to kind of refresh for a future episode.
So uh, check it out sometime soon and in the
coming weeks over here at Man Review Podcast. All right, gentlemen, well,
I think it's time to say goodnight. So thanks for
listening to the Middle Aged Movie Reviews Podcast. We hope

(01:47:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Email a show at Manreview Podcast at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
All right, Rick, you want to say good night?

Speaker 6 (01:47:34):
Sorry about that?

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
Start about that?

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Hi, guys, Well, thanks for tuning in, Stay cool and
buy everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:47:47):
The design of Tesla's cyber truck was inspired by the film.
Prior to its release, Elon Musk promised that it would
look like something out of Blade Runner. Besides referring to
the truck as the Blade Runner Truck. Must chose to
debut the truck in order to coincide with the film
setting of November twenty nineteen. The film's art designer, Sidmead
praised the truck and said he was flattered by the

(01:48:09):
homage to Blade Runner. Well, I think it looks more
like a DeLorean with an extra chromosome, but that's just me.

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