Episode 70 - Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Part 2 - Middle Age Movie Reviews Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the Middle Aged Movie Reviews podcast
where we're talking about The Lord of the Rings the
Fellowship of the Ring. Yes, we got a little windy
the last time. You know, I know you can't believe that,
but yes we did.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So we did two.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Episodes, yes, two episodes for your listening pleasure. So welcome
back to the second part of The Lord of the
Rings the Fellowship of the Ring.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And then of course that's when Strider takes the group
of Hobbits and heads off to riven Dell with them
as as their guide, and you know, the Hobbits, we
get this this cool I want to say montage or
like all these sweeping shots of the hillsides and stuff
as they're traveling, and we get some interaction between the

(01:10):
Hobbits and Strider, and there's of course my favorite line
in here of when they're about to have breakfast and
Strader goes, you've already ate breakfast, but what about second breakfast?
Or Leven's's what about tea time.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Lunch, lunch and dinner, supper, afternoon tea. I don't think
he knows about those pippies.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Yeah, and then he throws that apple in some man
he keeps looking up like where the hell is there's
the falling from?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
What about you, Tim? What do you think of this
long sweeping montage of Middle.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Earth as far as the visions go, I think meets
up again with the way Tolkien likes to, you know,
describe a lot of the landscape, and they kind of
do that. It's it's a nice quick mindtage that we
understand that they're not just traversing across the field, and
they've gotten from point eight to point eight B. We're
getting to see different pieces of the geography of New Zealand.

(02:04):
The first they're in that whole little grove of trees
and they go into the swamp and all that kind
of stuff, So you feel like they're really traversing.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
A lot of ground.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
They're really, you know, going a long way through Middle
Earth to get to where they want to go. So
I like the idea that they keep changing the landscape,
and it's it's dramatically different each time, because it makes
it feel like it's a.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Very long, arduous journey that they're going through.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's a really cool sequence. I mean the way Peter
Jackson just was able to find all these locations in
New Zealand to give you that that that sense that
they're traveling on liss of this long journey, I think
was very impressive. And of course you know they stop
at Weathertop, Yes, I think it was really cool. How
you get the feeling that this used to be a

(02:48):
prominent watch tower and it's just it's now gone to ruin.
I want to say that weather Top itself, the rock
formation was actually there. They didn't have to build anything.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, and it actually is.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
It is an old watch tower, but it's a watchtower
that has magic properties. And a little bit here we're
going to have the attack by the ring rays. Frodo
put the ring on right, and when he does that,
he looks out and he sees sourn right, but he
sees the eye. But it comes up in real close,
like it's like one of those you know, almost vertigo

(03:20):
moments where it's like it comes in real fast.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's nice, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
That is that is actually what the magic that is
is that place allows watcher to see long distances and
magnify the vision through magic of that place. So that
what it actually does, that's why it's called watchtower, So
it has this magic property to it.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Did he see him? Did he see did he see
sourn On?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
What he sees the eye, which is essentially sud.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
I thought he just saw the ring rights in their
like more true form.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
He also sees that.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But if I remember right, he puts the ring on
and it does that very quick like magnifies in on
the because anytime that he puts the ring on, of course,
you start to get the dark speech again. And he
looks over he peeks around that rock, and that's when
he sees the eye.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Am I not remembering that correctly?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think you might. I think you might be mixing
up two scenes because well, shit, towards the end of
the movie when he puts the ring on with u
Borimir and yeah, he escapes Bormir and then he runs
up to that little like plateau area that was like
like a little watchdower there as well.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
You're right, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
That that throne is the magical place that that allows
you when you sit on it, you could see far away.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, I screwed Joey that one, so, bitch, I screwed
that up. I'm talking about completely wrong segment. Yeah, okay,
so I'll bring that up later.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Cut this out.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
No, no, no, you know what, though, Tim, you are
right that they used to use that. Actually they're used
unless I'm messing something up too. I'm pretty sure there
used to be a polantier on weather Top a long
time ago when it was the Northern Kingdom, and they
used to use it to watch the North. So so

(05:09):
I don't think you're completely wrong in it right that
that was a place, but the planteer is no longer there.
I think they I think that was one of the
ones that got sunk in the frozen lake or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Gotcha more world building from from jar Tooken, and the
way that Peter Jackson was able to like just kind
of put in these little senses of it throughout the
film kind of really helps. It was neat that it
was weathered area on top of a little crag or
a ridge or like a mountain, so it was a
nice weather top area to look out about.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I thought that that was really telling.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
When Frodo was asleep and then the other Hobbits were,
you know, cooking sausages and bacon or something like that,
and Frodo knew that this was a bad idea. He'd
already been down that road to where like he's like, na, man,
this is serious stuff, you know, and you can't be
having a fire in the middle of a tower that

(06:04):
you could see this light burning for.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Miles and miles away.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
And this moment was eye opening for the other Hobbits
who didn't quite get it at this point yet. And
then after this you do see that they do, especially
with a scene that happens after Rivendell when Sam Wise,
you know, brushes down a fire when they're trying to
hide and stuff like that, Like this comes full circle,

(06:31):
you know, like this is a learning moment for all
of them.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, but you think the learning moment would be when
a bunch of ring Races just tried to perforate me
in bed like that, you know, not more than the
night before kind of thing, like how long does it
take before these guys figure out you know, hey, maybe
we should think about what we're doing instead of just
I don't know, acting like we're still back in you know,
the shire. So yeah, Yeah, it amazed me that there's

(06:54):
still being that nonchalant and they're not being that guarded
with what they're doing, because by this point I would
be completely in a hunkered down mode. I just yeah,
there's no way in fact that would he be sleeping out.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
In the open.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'd be like trying to find a hole or you know,
something to hide him while I'm sleeping in the whole deals.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
So yeah, But to be fair, like you had said
a moment ago, they crossed vast distances just to get
the weather top. They probably thought that those ring rays
were nowhere near them, and that's probably why, not realizing
that there is a magical connection from that ring to
these ring rays that probably the other Hobbits didn't understand. Yeah,

(07:35):
they might not have seen him for hundreds of miles
since they left Breathe, they're still being tracked.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I guess you're right in that because magic's not a
big part of their their culture and lifestyle, so and
the magnitude of how this ring works I think still
eludes them. So that that does make sense when you
really kind of put it out like that, and.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
You remember that they think with their stomachs so if
it's it's true about time to eat, you know they're
going to, you know, make that a priority.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
The power of the ring it got nothing over the
power of their bellies exactly.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean again, I'm a reference to a scene later on,
but you know when they had the limitus spread and
Wagelist takes a little bite of it, he says, m
one bite fills a grown man's stomach. And then Pippen
looks at Mary and says, you know, how may did
you eat four?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And I like, I liked the little belch And he
almost grabs the stomach like he's just had, like I
just walked away from the face the day table.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know, four of those things man.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
So yeah, they're always thinking with their stomachs, always looking
for the next meal, which makes me wonder was j R.
All token like this this foody before foody became popular.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I think he was more of a of a landscape
than a food he got out on.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Maybe maybe maybe it was like hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
He's like he ran around so much trying to look
at as many landscapes as he could that he had
to eat a lot of food to fuel that ability
to you know, traverse all.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
These I always thought that it was an analogy between
the common person who doesn't go to war, like children
or women or elderly people, in how potentially relaxed that
they can be compared to veterans and warriors that Aragorn, Boromir,

(09:22):
Legoists and the rest of our heroes have. So like
you see this contrast between the lifestyles of people who
would fill the armies of men and armies of elves
and dwarfs and stuff, compared to Hobbits who never see
war like they're just one hundred percent civilians. And I
always looked at it as through that lens, because that's

(09:45):
from what I understand, what prompted him to make these
stories to kind of like maybe just show what war is,
you know what I mean, Right, Yeah, that's what I
always thought.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, I can see that. I mean, you know, he
hears a a writer who survived what it was like
to have to trenches and get a lot of that
readiness in our main characters. And of course, you know,
you get the suburbanites kind of farmer feel to the Hobbits,
So I can see where you're coming with that. But yes,

(10:17):
they're on weather top, they get attacked by the Ring
Race and Froto winds up, putting the ring on and
connected to the Ring, they actually see him and he
can see their true forms. And I thought that it
was really cool that we actually get to see the
Witch King in his real appearance, because he actually has
that crown on him and he stabs him with that
cursed blade. And I thought Peter Jackson did a great

(10:38):
job in veying that in that scene.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I love the spectral forms.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I mean, it's just so cool that he differentiates the
way they look in the real world versus this like
spectral world of the Ring, because the Ring almost, you know,
to disappear, it's got to pull you almost into like
a different dimension, and these ring races they exist in
both of these, but they look as different. I think
it's interesting how he differentiates that. Anytime the Ring goes on,

(11:05):
it changes the way the world looks, it changes the
way he perceives the different people. I mean, obviously, you know,
the Hobbits and everybody appear the same as they always do,
but things that can also I really did enjoy that.
And I have to say too that Vigo Mortenson, this
was the first scene he filed. So for a guy
that you know, basically walked on the set the last
minute addition to this whole thing, and then sword fights

(11:27):
against these guys, it looks really good for guys. I mean,
he eventually does a lot of training and gets really
good at sword fighting. But considering this is the first shoot,
he did a great job. It looked really well done,
I thought, So I gotta give him.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Props that, Yeah, he's definitely an action guy in this movie.
I have to hand it to him. He did. He
did a great job physical presence on the screen as
well as being able to just fight like somebody who's
you know, well trained as Strider is. I think he
did a great.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Job with that. I thought it was cool.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
So, like, I had to look this up because I
was wondering about it when I was watching it this time,
kind of I kind of, yeah, always wondered why did
these seemingly fearless creatures run away and tearror from this
one human, you know, wielding a torch, And so I
looked it up and apparently they're averse to light, which

(12:17):
you know, fire, and apparently they really they didn't like
the idea of their robes burning and stuff like that,
they'd feel vulnerable.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
But what's more, Frodo was.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Stabbed, they thought that he would turn like right away,
like that Morgo blade. He would be done for and
then they would have the ring because he'd be turned
in the be it, you know what I mean. Well,
this is another instance that backs up proposed magical claim
that Gandalf has poorting the strength of the Hobbits, Like they.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Literally can repel.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Morgo blades with their resilience that other races would succumb
to in an instant. It's really cool seeing how these
you know, seemingly small and insignificant people really have a
lot of strength in them.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I'm just gonna like slip on my my my tenfoil
hookem hat and I'm wondering if maybe you got something there,
because the Hobbits are so tied to Earth and nature
that maybe they've developed some kind of natural immunity through
like some kind of geomantic energy or magic that way.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
You're saying, because they smoke so much of that.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Toby Nice, maybe man, man, they're down to Earth.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's lowered their ambitions so much that they have absolutely
none for conquest. So that's really the real reason why
it doesn't affect them because they're like, yeah, man, it's
just too much trouble trying to conquer the world.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You just you guys are harsh in my mellow man.
Just you know, come on, just saw down, It'll be
all right, all right. I think the other thing, too, Rick,
is that I think the reason that they were phrase
they weren't raid of Strider as much as they were
afraid of fire because they I mean, they can't die,
but their forms can be destroyed.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
That basically is a vessel for them, and if the
vessel is destroyed.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Kind of have to go back to the tower, to
sourt and kind of regain a new bodily formed. That's
what happens, because you know, later on something's going to
befall all of them and we don't ever see them
again for the rest of this move because they all
lose all their their forms are lost due to what happens,
and they no longer have the ability to come after

(14:34):
them anymore until they find I don't know, I don't
know if they possess or how that works exactly. You know,
I'm not that far into how anaschool works, but I
just know that whatever form that they're in can be destroyed,
and it forces them to go find another vessel in
which to.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Either be in or they have to like regenerate or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Okay, because up until Proto crosses into riven Dell, they're
like on their tail the entire time. It just it
seemed very very jarring. Good point, Tim, So, Yeah, so
Frodill gets stabbed by the Morgoth Blade, and uh, you know,
Strider rescues them. They have to. They have like a
six day journey to get to riven Dell. After day

(15:16):
and a half, maybe two days, we really can't tell,
because I mean they're traveling so much, and Strider's you know,
throwing Froto over the horse, throwing them over his shoulder,
carrying them everywhere you can go, just to make sure that,
you know, get there, get him there. And they're putting
poultices on and a bunch of hippie stuff and giving
them all the stuff to try to get him to
stay alive, natural remedies. Yeah, staying alive. Geting to the

(15:39):
earth Man and very very hippy is here, and uh,
as they're trying to find something more to help, Strider
gets approached from behind by an Elvish Blade introduced to
Arwin's the one that's going to take him to Rivendell
because apparently she's got some magical horse that can ride
faster than everybody else and get him to Rivendell safely.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think she said that she's a faster rider because
he was gonna get on that horse. He was going
to use that horse. It was like, I'm a faster rider.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, which gives me two points. But I want to
want I want to follow a different I'm gonna grab
a different bone here. So in the book, and I
had to look this up, but in the book and
in the original Lord of the Rings cartoon, it was Glorfandell,
the elf lord from Rivendell that rescues Frodo after he's
been stabbed by the ring Raths, and he's the one

(16:33):
that rides him to the river's edge, and that's where
we see the river pile up and become horses and
kill all the ring Rays. So it wasn't Arwin she was.
She was substitute substituted Glorfandell. Again, I'm sure it was
probably because of creative differences that Peter Jackson felt maybe
we didn't want to cast that actor or whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I think she encompasses several different characters into one.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
But yeah, I just thought that it was neat that
they just to go with this avenue because then we
kind of see more of a relationship complained with Arwin
and aer Gorn right there at the beginning. What did
you guys think of Arwin's rescue of Frodo.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
I thought it was cool. I thought that it made
sense for me.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
I know that there's like a thing right now in
cinema with trying to prove that women can be strong
and stuff like that. In one way or another, I
thought it was believable, unlike some other things that happened
in our current day and age. I thought that it
was believable. She light her weight Aragorn, so that would

(17:36):
make sense that as long as she has pretty good
skill with writing that you can ride faster. Plus she's elf,
you know, so maybe she can ride faster than Aragorn.
And as far as using the magic, even in the books, yeah,
she wasn't the one who was using the magic. It
was I think it was al Rond and Gandalf who
were using magic to conjure up the water and make

(17:59):
the water look like horses and things like that. But
I thought that it was cool that she did. I
thought that was believable. I mean, she's elf and maybe
elves have, you know, these magical powers in their land.
Her she's a daughter of l Ron, so we do
know that she has some magical powers and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
I thought it was cool. I thought it was I
thought it.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Was a good use of email character, and like you said,
it kind of helps plain and develop the relationship that
both them have and that love interest and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
So I thought it was good. I thought it was cool.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, I liked the Rwin character actually a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I remember a lot of people really being disappointed with
it and they were like, oh, that's not even a
real character, it doesn't exist and things like that. But well,
characters and just kind of wrapped them into the Rwin character,
and it makes for a good love.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Story, you know, with Strider. Again, it's been a quick
minute of these books.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't remember how that goes in the book or
how significant that is. But I thought as far as
the movie went, it was great. I liked her parts.
I thought they fit really well. I mean, again, I
agree with Rick that you know in the book. It's
it's not that character that actually causes the water to
wash away the ring race. It's you know, but I
liked that it was that character that did it. I

(19:16):
thought it was a good use of creating an original,
strong female character in this film stood on their own
and did a good job. It you know, wasn't didn't
necessarily overpower any of the male characters. You know, she's
soft when she needs to be hard when she needs
to be well placed and well done. I thought it
felt very comfortable. I thought liv Tyler did a great job.

(19:37):
I mean, I think she's actually very beautiful. I think
she looks good as an elf. I think she did
a good job. She much like everybody else, I mean,
all the actors in this this film, like everyone on them.
They're all talking fans, and even the ones that weren't
went to read the source material and really tried to

(19:58):
stay true. And it was probably hardest for her because
her character really didn't exist, But she did her best.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Me even down to really learning how.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
To speak Elvish, you know, they figure out how to
speak it instead of just making up a bunch of gibberish.
There's actually, I guess some video of Tolkien actually kind
of speaking what he believes how elviies should be spoken.
It's kind of influenced by Welsh a little bit, and
they studied that so when they're speaking it, it's pretty
true to.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
How it should be spoken and how it's represented in
the book.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
And I thought it was really nice time to do that,
and a lot of the other other actors took the
time to really learn the roles. These people really came
these characters, and they tried to stay as true as
they could to the source material.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I have to agree with you. I think that she
was a great amalgamation of characters and embodied essence of
a character for Lord of the Rings. She felt she
fit right in in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
Yeah, I remember seeing her in a couple other things
before the Lord of the Rings. I don't remember her
like being as stunning as she was in this, playing
at alf better than what I thought it would be.
I think I even remember hearing that she was in
it and I was like, oh, yeah, they definitely. I
think they did well with picking her, And.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Again it was just another another situation where the casting
was just spot on. I mean, I think they did
a great job with liv Tyler being the elf Irwin
manages to get to get phroto to Rivendell, passes out,
she safely gets across the border, and he then wakes up.
He's in Rivendell, and it's kind of weird. He's like,
I don't know how I got here. And there's Gandalf

(21:33):
and everyone's right there, and they're they're kind of explaining
what happened. And there's this huge meeting now with el
Rond and the Council as they invite different aspects, different
people to discuss what's going to happen to this ring,
the one ring that's both uh you know about the
destruction of Middle Earth, and that's where we're introduced to

(21:53):
Borimir and Gimli and Lego Lass to see the different
aspects of all the different creatures, beings, races. Races, Yes,
that's the word I was looking for. Thank you seeing
your moment. It's interesting that Tolkien doesn't really create these races,
but he pulls them from folklore and legend to define

(22:15):
them a little better, just carve out an identity for
these these races. I thought it was just phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Uh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Thought it was really cool that you got to see
them all, you know, in there because you don't even
expect that, you know, they're on their way there to
Rivendale to see the elves. But not only the elves there,
but the dwarves are there. And originally I think Gimbli's
there because something happens to one of his relatives and
he's there to name the body or something. Again, it's

(22:42):
I'm a little fuzzy on the details anymore on that,
but it's cool that they they bring in, you know,
the elves, who are you know, as we see you know,
early on for ourselves, they're leaving Middle Earth, like the
time of the elves are pretty much over, but there's
still some there, so we get to see them.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And the dwarves, I mean, they don't leave their.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Mountains very often, so it's you know, the doors have
actually come out. Stop mining there as representation. We've got
the humans. We've got Gandalf, which you know, again most
people understand that he's not a human, and we got
the Hobbits, which it's kind of cool to see them
all in one place. But one character that I think
lost in this is the Ring. This is where the

(23:22):
Ring really represents itself as its own character. Because as
these races sit around the council meeting discussing like, look,
we now have the Ring of souron. We know we
have it, but none of us can wield it. And
it pulls on them trying to like, well, we should
use this, we should use the weapon of the enemy
against him and stuff. And you know, the ring pulls

(23:44):
on everybody there, and it manipulates them, and it causes
them to fear one another and doubt everybody's integrity and
their sincerity and wanting to get rid of the ring
instead of using it towards their own advantage. And as
this argument happens between these different races, because we see
these racists don't trust each other, they have issue with

(24:07):
one another. The doors don't like the elves, you know,
the humans are only out for themselves. The hobbits just
are like, what the hell's wrong with all these people?
Like why can't they just chill and smoke some weed
with us? But the ring slowly starts to manipulate that
and use it towards its advantage, And the camera focuses
in and you see now not them, but the reflection
and the ring and the fire that it starts to

(24:28):
kind of stoke amongst them, and we see that reflection
within the Ring. So this is where we truly start
to understand that the ring own character within this story.
Even though it's an inaminated object and it pinds to
be returned to its master, it still has some form
of its own life essence, and it uses that to
cause chaos every turn that it possibly can. I just

(24:52):
I enjoyed the representation all of them and the focus
of the ring has a character.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
All into itself.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
That's like really good.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
That was a phenomenal shot. I every time I watched
this movie, I look forward to seeing that because it's
just neat the reflection of them arguing with that fire
around them. I thought, beautiful symbolism.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
Yeah, man, I also appreciated the symbolism with those leaves.
Tim had mentioned that the time of the elves was waning,
and I felt as though the leaves and by the
way the shots with the leaves fallen was really cool
because it seemed as though some of those leaves were
legitimately falling in the shots, and then some of them

(25:34):
were like in front of the characters, you know what
I mean, almost like you if you had like a
pair of three D glasses on you could see them
falling in front of your face kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
But I thought that was super cool. I thought that
was a bit of.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Symbolism and kind of like how Tim was saying with
regard to how the ring was kind of manipulating them,
I thought that it showed them their races, more natural tendencies,
as well as potential foreshadowing. So Bora meres he almostly,
I think, if I remember correctly, didn't he almost reached

(26:10):
for the ring at.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
One point he did, and like absolutely did.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
So I think that was a bit of foreshadowing. And
you get to see Gimli like straight up take out
his acts and just attack it like like it was
gonna do something, you know, and that just kind of
shows the spontaneity of the of the Dwarfs, just like
we're just gonna do it right now, like let's just
take care of it. Then let's not wait and then

(26:35):
frodo you know? You had mentioned, Matt, what do I
think of the races? Once again, that the halflings are undervalued, misunderstood,
And I thought that it was really telling, especially the
way that all the actors on scene portrayed the relevate
revelation of this small creature volunteering after everyone's said this

(27:00):
is folly, this is not going to be able to happen,
this is impossible. Everyone's gonna die if you want to
try to do this. It's mollest one out of all
of the race's sides that they're like, fine, you guys
don't want to do it, I'll do it. This little
creature is gonna be impossible, Like he's gonna volunteer impossible.

(27:21):
And I think that was a surprise for everyone, which
for a time and time again, I think that the
Hobbits continually surprise all of the races around them and
inspire them.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think it shames them too, because that's what causes
them to have to stand up and go. Guy is
willing to do this, then I will stand beside him.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
You know, there's that scene when he does say that
he'd take the ring. I thought it was it was
neat that it starts off with he says it so
quietly at first, and only Gandalf catches it has that
look on his face like he knows kind of thing,
and it's just like kind of cool. And then of course,
you know, he says it much louder, and then that's
when everyone turns and says that they would help him.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
He doesn't want Frodo to do it, but he also
knows that he's probably the only one that can't.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I don't want this from my friend, but yet my.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Friend's the only one that probably can do this without
being completely corrupted.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
And even l Rond the Elf was seemingly surprised that
the resilience of the Hobbits, both to the Morgo blade
as well as to the pull of the ring was like,
holy shit, Like little Hobbit is able to resist the
will of Suron. That's surprising. I think that's what the
word he actually used. He says, it's surprising.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I really think it's because they just don't give a shit.
They really don't like Eithery're just like, none of this
to us, man, We just like, do Let's just go
through this thing in the mountain and go back and
you know, let's have a nice little party. And you know,
they just like they.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
It's their lack of motivation from smoking so much weed.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
No ambition whatsoever, man, not at all.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
So but yeah, it's it is just surprising that you know,
they could surprise everyone around them because they're they're what's
the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
They don't understand anybody that doesn't have an agenda.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, and of course, you know, l Ron says, all right, well,
then you know, here is the the Fellowship of the Ring.
Shortly after Sam comes busting out from you know, a
hiding spot, and so does Mary and Pippin because you know,
they're small and they can hide in small alcoves and stuff.
I thought that was a funny little riff from l
Ron Burglars. Yeah. So then you know, l Ron says

(29:29):
the title of the movie, which always gets me whenever
somebody says that the title of the movie. In the movie,
don't get mad Max, You'll be mad Max.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
But then you know, that's when we changed discs. We
finally finished the first disc of the extended Edition. We
had to pop in the next disc, and we get
this montage of them getting ready to travel to Mordor
Froto that takes the lead and he kind of as
he walks out, he ganned off. He's like, which way
is it left or right?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
And gan out, like that's my favorite line. I think, actually,
like which way is it? Totally something I do like,
which way is it?

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Pretty much from this point for probably the next like
half an hour forty five minutes, this is some of
the best for me. I mean, you got this party
of adventurers, You've got a wizard, you've got a fighter,
you've got thieves and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
It just brings me back to playing D and D
as a kid. Man. This was this is it right here, man.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, this is the start of the campaign. This is
where you know, you're, yeah, playing the role of Frodo
and you're you're going on this journey and it's just
it's again it's scenes and scenic shots. And there is
one scene that I've always liked, and it's a very
heroic scene, and it's the scene that they introduced the
teaser trailer for Lord of the Rings, and that is

(30:51):
on top of this mountain stone set side by side
and you see Gandalf walk up Bormere Aragorn. Entire entire
party comes up between these two stones, and I remember
that that was like the teaser scene for the Lord
of the Rings coming Christmas two thousand and one, Christmas
two thousand and two, Christmas two thousand and three. I
was like, that is awesome.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Definitely, definitely, Yeah, and you got the music to back
it up too.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
And then of course, you know, there we get us
a spot where everyone's just kind of like camping out.
They've had a long day of traveling, and you get
to see Boromir and Aaron Corner are training the Hobbits
and hot a sword fight, and it's you know, it's
a fun scene. You know, you get the sense that
you know, they're building this camaraderie and everything. And then
some other reason, Legolist gets this feeling and a sense

(31:39):
of dread something on the winds. You get to see
Legolists using his abilities as an elf immediately Gandolf and
Lagolist tells everyone to hide, and we see these birds
come flying through there and more or less just being
spies for sorrowmon sermons, like using classic.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Fucking with them.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, he's manipulating their ability to traverse their way towards Mordor.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, I was. I was thinking. It's kind of like
the classic UH War tactic of of forcing your opponent
to go in a specific direction so that you can
like head them off.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Yeah, pigeon holding them with pigeons, Right, I'm gonna use
these pigeons.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Just see where you are so I could pigeonhole you.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Although I think there were more like ravens and not
necessarily pigeons. Yeah, because of this, it causes them to
go further into the mountains. And that's where we see
again Soromons using his wizardly talents to call up this
ill wind. And again we're gonna see a really cool
scene with with Lego Lusts walking on the snow just

(32:53):
above Everything's kind of the second point I wanted to
have with Arwin on the horse. How she's a it's
a faster writer. I am condensed that elves have hollow
bones and that's why they are so light. Yeah, they're
like birds. That's that's my that's my thought.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Maybe.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Man, that dude was walking on top of the snow man,
you right, man.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
It was so cool too, because you expect that, you know,
at elves, so it was really cool to see him
add that in there.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, and you know, him being able to use hearing
to hear the sorrow Man's voice on the wind.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Man.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
The the elves got a lot of love out of
the Lord of the Rigs three movies. Man, especially legalists.
They got a lot of love. And I was very
happy when the hobbit came out because let me get
a little bit of love for the dwarves, you know,
and I like dwarves. Don't get me wrong, Elves are cool.

(33:52):
But I don't know, I've always liked dwarves.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Is that because they make cool stuff?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
I think it has something to do it they work
or something. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
The party's now stuck because they mentioned that they should
go under the mountain through the mines of Moria, and
uh Borimir suggests heading towards Mystira, and then.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Uh no, no, no, Borimir was saying to go to
the past, the southern pass basically through uh oh, oh,
I'm sorry, you're right, you're right, but yeah, going south
through uh the gap of Rohan, okay, in order to
get to Ministeria.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So you know, everyone's putting in there in their two cents,
and you can kind of tell that Gandalf doesn't want
to go through through the mine, but he gives up
to Froto. He says, hey, you know, got the ring
bearer pick and the minds of Moria can kind of
tell it. Gimley's kind of excited. So we go from
the scene where there's just snow everywhere to all of
a sudden cutting to like right outside the mines of Moria.

(34:53):
And I just thought that, well, that's a quick cut.
What happened? We had all this cool traveling and then
all we got a cup of time U all right,
so now we're outside the Minds of Maria again.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It's part of thatother hour.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
That's yes, which I thought that The Minds of Maria
is another scene that I remember from the cartoon, and
that door lighting up and the way that they describe
the door in the book, the way they show it
in both the cartoon and in a live action movie.
It just it looks really.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Cool forbade him almost again that shot shot for shot,
they're the same though.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
The way that looks. Yeah, there's the phrase on the door,
be friend and enter, and I just thought it was
it was kind of funny that Gandalf has his own
middle aged moment. He has to try to remember the
password and and he can't quite remember it.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
I think at one point he was gonna hit Pedregreen
Tooth's head on the doors to hope that they would
buy it open.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
How many times I've been wanting to say that to
my own kids, quiet while I think, or also use
your head to open this door. And then and then,
of course we get this kind of throwback to Proto
and kind of channeling his uncle Bilbo, because he figures
out that it's a it's a riddle, much like you
know Bilbo had the riddles with Gollum. He's able to

(36:11):
cipher it and asks, uh, asks Gandalf, well, what's the
word for friend in Elvish. Sure enough, he manages to
say the password and it opens up the door. I
don't know about you, guys, but I'm walking into a
quote mine got a secret door. And then all of
a sudden there's all these dead bodies really be going in.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, but I don't think they see the bodies right away,
is it not? Until they're well into it, And then
Gandalf lights up his stone on the top of his
staff that they realized, oh, oh, this isn't a mine,
this is it too, so you know, they they didn't
initially see.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
It, which of course allows has them back out. And
then that's when they get stuck between a rock and
a hard place in this case an octopus eight arms
to hold them. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
So yeah, the watcher and the water well.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And I think the other thing that's a big part
of the scene, the conversation while Gandav's trying to remember
how to open this door happened and Gandalf's like, you know,
so do all who live to see such times. But
you know it's not for them to decide. All we
have to do is decide what to do with the
time that's given us. There are forces of this world,
you know, there are other forces at work in this

(37:19):
world proto besides the will of evil to find the
ring in which.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Case you were meant to have it.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
And that is encouraging thought and that weight on the
story because it's going to prove to be to make
a critical decision that I think had this conversation not happened,
he might not have chosen the same path.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
So this is a very important moment that.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
If you blink, you're gonna miss it, and you don't
realize the significance of it even later unless you really
start to think about it.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
Yeah, I think this is what you think of as
the theme of the Lord of the Rings and the hobbit,
you know, is for someone who went to the grid war.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
I think that's something that you take out of it.
You know, nobody wants.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
To be part of that, but when you are part
of that, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
You know. I find it funny that you could quote
that verbatim from your head. Couldn't remember the freaking thing
that Gobo said at the speech.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I am almost two drinks in that.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
My brain is working much more efficiently now, so I
just needed a little bit of loop.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
It is. It is a pivotal point. I have to
I have to admit that, and I think Rick is right.
It is. It is something that carries them through the
entire movie, through the entire series of movies. Thank you
Tim for not letting me gloss over that.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
But back to the octopus. Though, this was the only
part in the entire movie that I was I wasn't disappointed,
but I would say it's the only part of the
movie when the CGI is noticeable.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
That's what I will say.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, because the octopus, they're the watcher. The Watcher's head
when it comes out of the water, like you can
instantly be like, ah, yeah, that's that's definitely definitely out
of place, you know, but pretty much everywhere else it's
everything is smooth.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Every single thing is smooth. It's the only part that
I would be like.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, but do you feel that way now because CG
has gotten so much better, or did you feel that
way than when you first seen it.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
I don't remember seeing so I think it's very possible
that in the theater it looked different. But at home, yeah,
I mean yeah, I could, I could see. I think
I've always noticed that, especially when I had the VHS, which,
by the way, for those who are wondering, I played
that VHS so much that it don't play anymore.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
It's just scratch now.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
It's just I put that VHS for a lot of
the Rings in for the theatrical version, and it just
plays static.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
You can't even can't hardly see anything or hear anything
from it anymore. I played so many times.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I think I'm impressed that you still have a VHS
and a VHS player.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Uh yeah, man, yeah, I sure do not, But I do.
I do.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I mean this. I think The Lord of the Rings
was probably like my favorite DVD to have bought. I mean,
I played those DVDs all the time, and I liked
how the DVDs looked like little books, you know. For
the extended editions, that was pretty slick.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I remember being angry because my first copies of these
was the theatrical and I was really mad because I
wanted the extended versions, but there were so much money
at the time, I had to wait till I can
afford to buy them, so I was stuck watching the theatric.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Oh no, man, I bought as soon as it came out.
I blew my money on that. I had to have it.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I had it.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I had a lot of my money went to a
galaxy far from you. I'm just saying that sometimes I
wasn't flush for cash for the fantasy world.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
But yeah, So, speaking of that fantasy world, they enter
the minds of Maria after battling the octopus. I don't know.
I remember seeing it in the theater and I thought
I was pretty impressed by the octopus. And then I
seen it on DVD and I thought it was really good.
But now that I have it on Blu Ray, there
is a little bit of Uncanny Valley with the texture

(41:22):
of the octopus. But I just glossed that over to
you know, the up the up resident film grain or
the or the glow of a classic you know, film
quality movie.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Well, we got spoiled with some of the upgrades that
we've gotten with again, let's go back to Star Wars
a Star Trek, where they cleaned up a lot of
that kind of stuff and made it look better that
for this, I mean, they transferred it over and they
just kind of like let it go. You know again,
if this is my only bitch, I'll let it go,
like you know, I mean really like, if there's so
much right with this movie, we'll let this little big go.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
And and honestly, there's so few scenes that are like
pure CGI. Everything else is like practical. It comes to
like the costuming and and and the force perspective, you know,
all the camera tricks. It's all practical stuff. So it
feels like a monster. You know. It's the biggest CGI
part of the movie, or at least the biggest.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
CGI creature of this movie.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Anyway. Yeah, yeah, and kind of forgive it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm glad they spent more focus when it comes to
the battles that we'll see in the next two you know,
like the CG looks good there. I much rather have
good CG there than with this octopus out.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
I mean even the even the troll shows up in
the in the minds in the next couple of seas.
I mean it looks great.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
Yeah, what's kind of to actually show the octopus head
my understanding, that's not just tentacles coming out of the water.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
That's what it was.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
In the cartoon, there was only tentacles And how do
you how do you make an octopus laugh? And the
dad joke for the night? Okay, but hey, Tim, have
you noticed how long our episodes seem to go when
we record, Like.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, Matt, of course I have. I'm you know, I'm
one of the freaking editors.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
So yeah, yeah, I know. I mean we both have
to deal with all the UM's and the nose and
the audio leveling. Don't get me started on Joey's long
diatribes about bad horror movies.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
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Speaker 5 (44:13):
Guys, really, Lloyd Kaufman is a freaking genius.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
So now we're in the minds of Maria that the
door behind them has crashed clothes. They're now trapped inside
and they have to whether they say, a four day
journey through the minds in order to get out, pray.
They don't. They don't run across anything. It is neat
to see this soul sequence because you get the idea
that time passes very slowly in the mind. Poor Gandolf

(44:45):
is you know, he's middle aged, he's kind of old.
You can't always remember, and they get kind of stuck
in one spot. They can't remember which way to go
and that's when we get our first real look at
the creature Gollum. I think it's kind of interesting from
a product standpoint that Gallum looks a little bit different
here then we see him in the second movie, because

(45:06):
I think they got a little more money for his
cgi than they did in this sequence. I say, and
here he looks more like in shadow. And they're doing
the classic thing with like with Jaws, where you don't
show the shark, you don't show you know, gall them,
You kind of keep them like in the shadow, keep them,
you know, as this this creature that's.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Just out of you my understandings, they hadn't fleshed out
the character completely yet, they hadn't decided like how he
was gonna look, and they kind of ran out of time,
so they just had to go with what they had.
They kind of like, so that's why they try to
make it more shadow and distancing looking, because they had
solidified how they wanted him to look. And so Peter

(45:46):
Jackson has said, if I ever get Lucas money, they're
gonna go back and fix them so that he looks
like he does in the second and third movie.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
So it's all consistent. He goes that would be by
one George Lucas.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Move, I'll fix that, and maybe if you luck, Rick,
you'll fix the octopus too.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
But you we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
And then if we're really lucky, we'll get that extra
fifty minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Hey, if we're really lucky, he'll he'll see gi a
little you know, a little pony in there for us,
and we're all gonna be happy.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
We'll get a little bill.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
You know. Well, just as long as the octopus doesn't
come out and say, mest the watcher in the water.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, say some people is gonna die. It's impossible.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
The Shining Eyes, though, is very iconic, as Gollum is
kind of kind of following and keeping his eyes on
the party, but not quite close to be able to
do anything, because obviously he'd get his rear end.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Matter of fact, I think he was.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Wasn't he beaten by Aragorm for the movie starters or
in that seventeen year gap for proto left Shire.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I do not recall.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I do remember them. You know, he's he was tortured
by the Ring Rays to get information on the Yeah, yeah,
that looked good.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, that looked real good.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
That actually almost looks practical, like it maybe might be
like puppet legs or something, or our muppet legs, like
maybe it was Kurmit frog.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
After this, this little viewing of of Gollum and Frodo
kind of talks about how he it's a pity that,
you know, Bilbo didn't kill him, and we get that
whole thing about again another conversation with Gandolf and Frodo,
which I kind of think helps drive Frodo's viewing of
Gollum in the next two movies, where you know it

(47:44):
was pity that stayed to stayed Bilbo's hand because he
he knew that, you know, some people deserve death and
other people should. I can't remember the exact phrase. I
don't know how the memorized, but you know, some people
don't actually deserve to die, some people who actually need
to deserve life or something like that.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
Yeah, like are are you are you fitting to deal
death and life? You know, like like is that really
your role to be able to be the one to
choose between who's gonna live and die?

Speaker 5 (48:14):
That's that's like a that's like a real.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
And I think part of two is it is the
pity of Bilbo staying his hand and not killing Galum.
Is that maybe there's an opportunity for to redeem himself
later on, you know, to to to get away from
what the influence of the Ring. And I think that
kind of gets reflected in Frodo as well through the
rest of the film when he does run into Gallum

(48:36):
and the fact that he's he can feel the influence
of the Ring and that maybe if Galam can achieve
some kind of redemption, that maybe Froto two can redemption
or maybe even it's Catholic guilt knowing that you know,
he could be just like Gallam at some point in
his life.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
So, uh, there's this YouTube channel that I have checked
out and they have a lot of information on the
lore of the Lord of the Rings, and he positive
that pretty much all of the characters who were Ring Bears,
and this includes Sam, Samwis Gamge, have placed their pity

(49:16):
onto Gollum because as a Ring Bear kind of have
to hold on to that hope that the Ring won't
completely take you, that there's always a way that you
can manage to get your own self back and be
able to escape the grasp of the Rings power and
evil or something along those lines.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Interesting. I like that theory.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think he doesn't really understand Gallum or the or
his plight at this point. He's he just thinks that
he's a nuisance that's going to ultimately cause their demise.
Like he's leading you know, Souron's forces to them all
the time, and his quest to re obtain this ring,

(50:02):
and he doesn't understand that this creatures had this ring
in his possessions for hundreds of years, you know, just
like Bilbo's given him unnatural life. And we don't really
know Gallum's origins yet, we don't understand, you know, what
he originally was. So he just looks at him as
this creature that should be put out of his misery.
And I think gan I was just like, don't be

(50:23):
too quick to deal death, because you don't understand everybody's situation,
and not everybody deserves death. And if they do, are
you the one to are you? Are you the one
to execute the action of taking that life? And I
think it makes him think he's like, you know, maybe
he's right, Maybe there is you know, more to this
than I should, you know, not be so quick to
want to dispatch death to other creatures without fully understanding

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you know, their their place in the world.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
So yeah, it's a learning moment.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
It's it's something he has to contemplate, and later on,
I think that conversation will well.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Again you both pointed out.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
It'll it'll change his perspective and how he deals with
him and and how he defends him among other people
who also feel the way he does. Now, so it's
it's it's important again, it's it seems trivial in the moment, understandable.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
So yeah, So from there, you know, Gandolf is able
to decipher where to go from there because because the
wind isn't nearly his file. So they managed to continue
their journey through the dark minds of Moria, and that's
when they stumble upon the last resting place of Duran.

(51:38):
I think this is a good spot where Rick would
point out something that Mary does that kind of further
moves the story along as well as you know, shows
the the mistakes that a hobbit who only cares about
his stomach would wind up doing.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Are you talking about Pippin with the Yeah, So yeah,
they they go into Dwyendolf and uh and they actually
go to Balin's tomb and Oin, who's in the Hobbit
wrote was the one who wrote down what happened in
the last few days under the siege of the Orcs.

(52:18):
And they're reading and and h. While Gandolf is reading Pipping,
he like can't resist touching this, this, this almost disintegrated
skeleton of a dwarf.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
He just touches it and the entire thing just falls down.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
It hits every single rock and surface on the way down.
But if that wasn't enough, there's a chain that goes
with it, and a bucket too. If they were supposed
to be quiet, boy, and for a moment it seemed
like all was well.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
That was the best art. For a moment, it seemed
like all was well. And then dump dump dum, dump
dum dum, dum dum dump dump dumb dum dumb dump.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
The drums, the drums, the drums.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Oh, god man, that was awesome. The drums were just
so awesome. Although I have to say that it was
such a difference in the way that the the Orcs
or goblins or both whatever there was inside Dwarondolf how
they interacted with the Fellowship in the Lord of the Rings,

(53:33):
than how they interacted with the dwarves and bilbo.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
In the Hobbit. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
It was very different interaction these groups in the span
of fifty years, even though there were I think they
were kind of different, a different group or whatever, but
much more malicious.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
It seemed. There was no conversation to start attacking. Man.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, well they broke into their crib. Man, I mean
they're like, what the hell? You know, we took this
place fair and square with the hell get out?

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Were they goblins or were they orcs? Because you know,
when they go in there, legalist says goblins and then
like the description in the book, I think it's called
them orcs. So I'm like, well, which were they orcs
or goblins? Or were they a combination of the two.
Were they like orcs running around with goblins in their
mouths and they split the goblins out and they climbed
up the walls.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. They kind of
look like goblins, but I don't know. I'm not I mean,
I get maybe I am an expert.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I don't know, So it it token gablins and orcs
are essentially the same.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Then then of course you know they closed the door
because they can hear the goblins coming and they you
hear Borimir say, oh, they have a cave troll. And
I think that's like one of my one of my
favorite lines that Bormir says, because it's nonchalantly and so
they you know, lock themselves in, and which is I
think it's clever because you know, they're like, oh, we're

(54:59):
locked in. You know, we're probably going to die. But
it was clever because it allowed them to funnel the
bad guys into a narrow spot, much like much like
in the movie three hundred. You know, they were going
to funnel everybody into this short distance that they could
fight them, you know, in the fair numbers. And it's
just really neat the whole fighting sequence. I mean, you

(55:20):
got swords flying, you got arrows going all over the place,
and I think you kind of can see where Lego
Lust has a leg up on everybody with his bow
and arrow and he's like killing goblins left and right,
you know, making short work of a lot of these guys.
And I just thought it was a really cool fight sequence.
And of course that leads to a neat little reveal

(55:42):
and I think I I'll leave it to you tend
to give the reveal, but I know what your thoughts
are on the whole fight sequence with the cave troll.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
It's cool as hell.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I mean, in analoy do you have all these orcs
flying through the you know, trying to overtake them and
kill them.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
But this cave troll.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Is just awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
He's colossally big, he's everything you'd expect. It's just like
we envisioned it in D and D and dumb as
a box of rocks. I mean, this thing is just
nothing but a blunt instrument of destruction, but still nonetheless
fun to watch. To fight this thing, and you know,
and he takes he takes a looking.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
It's like the energizer butt.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
He just takes a liking and he keeps on going
kind of thing, so keeps on ticking, if you will.
But uh, it's it's a fun scene to watch. It's
fun to watch them, you know, just keep pummeling this
thing and hitting him with everything they got and it
just keeps coming. Meanwhile, they're dispatching orcs left and right,
and then uh then we get that you know, that
final defend in the moment where they just pushed his

(56:40):
cave troll a little too far, and he starts beating
the crap out of you know, out of the characters,
and then it grabs a spear and it you know,
goes to pierce Froto because it's drawn to him. All
this evil is still in some weird way drawn to
Frodo because it's they just somehow the the these evil
creatures send the ring and they've just drawn to me,

(57:01):
even though they're not trying to necessarily get the ring,
they're just kind of make him a target number one.
And this cave troll is no different. He's just falling
around trying to get him and stuff. And finally, you know,
he's had enough that he grabs a spear and it
pierces him, and down Froto goes, and it's like, oh crap.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
You know, everybody there's that moment just it's it's just.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Everything's freezes and everybody, you know, just looks around and
they see Froto down and then they all lose their minds.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
They just they're they're like, they dispatch the troll, they
dispatch the orcs, They run to Frotos a they think
he's done. They flip him over and he's got the
myth row, you know, the mythrel arm around which completely
saves him, which is you know, I mean, it's it's
hard for people to understand. They're like, oh, it's just
this little, you know, piece of you know, like flexible

(57:50):
chain mail that he's wearing. But no, it's super magical
armor created by the elves. I mean, and you know,
I think gandalff sums up when he's like, you know,
I never told Bilbo, but it's worth more than the
entire wealth of.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
The entire shire.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
It's just yeah, And Gimli's like, oh, that's like a
kingly gift, Like it's just unheard of for anybody to have.
Is it's such a rare piece of magical armor that
it literally will protect you against taking a spear from
a mack truck, and it does. I mean, he gets up,
he's like, I'm fine, I'm a little winded, but otherwise,
I mean didn't break a rib. Like that's how that's

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how magical this stuff is. Like it not only will
it prevent you from getting pierced, but it doesn't even
hardly pummel you. So this stuff is just on a
whole another playing field. I mean, it's absolutely incredible. So
it's really cool that he has it and it protects
him and everybody in the Fellowship's just like, huh, this
little guy is just full of surprises. So you know,

(58:49):
it just adds to the lower of the Master Thiefs, if.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
You will, or you know, the us.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
But I can't help but think of how there was
foreshadowing for that, because when they find out what they
were mining and Maoria how it was all me thrill
and you know Gandalf's mentions about the you know, the
the shirt, and I'm like, okay, he knows something. It's
it's interesting that, you know, Gandalf kind of like foretold

(59:16):
the revel or the reveal of the methrill shirt.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
If I were to put in live action any of
the fight scenes that I've had playing any tabletop role
playing game, Fantasy or otherwise, I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
I would hope that it would be envisioned something along
these lines, because this was so great. It was just
so great.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
They were moving and doing all sorts of things and stuff,
and even the cave troll was killing orcs, you know
what I'm saying, Like that was cool, and the one
liners like you mentioned, like uh, Gimli. He said, uh,
there's still one dwarf yeted Bria who still draws breath like.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Those those things are just so great.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
And after Frodo gets stabbed, that's when everyone just goes
all in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Everyone like they seem like they were kind of fighting
a bit conservative, like trying to be safe and stuff
like that. After they thought Frodo was a gonner, man,
everyone went all in. Like everyone was balls to the wall,
even Mary and Pippin.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Dude, they jumped, they jumped.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
They literally jumped on the back of the cave troll
and started stabbing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
You know what's cool is that Pippen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
While Mary got flown off, he got flung off, Pippen
stayed on that sucker and kept stabbing it in the
back of the neck, which was really, really, really cool.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
You could say all you want about Pippin and all
the stupid shit that he does, but when it actually
came down to it, dude, he actually put in work
against that cave troll man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Definitely, Yeah, I mean I almost wanted to take out
a little Stopwatch and see if he could ride it
for like nine seconds like a bull.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Yeah, that's that's good. That's good. That's good, that's like
real good.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
Yeah, Legolis, like you mentioned, man, he's got all the
cool shots, you know, that throat shot.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
I think that the next coolest thing they see Legalists too,
And that's later on in the movies when he like
stabs when one of the orcai and then he pulls
the arrow out and he shoots another one with it. Right,
So yeah, I think Legalist is like my favorite fighter
in the trilogy. Frodo survives his stabbing by the troll
and then they all kind of like regroup and then

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they're like, well, we should run, and so they run
through the minds through these beautiful drawn cgi generated high
ceiling you know, caves and and in the mine, and
as they're running through, you hear the goblin coming up
from behind them, coming from all around the place. And

(01:02:04):
eventually our party gets swarmed by these goblins. That's when
the real trouble begins because then we hear the ball rog.
I think Somon made mention that, you know, Gandalf kind
of knows what they dug up, so I think he
kind of I think it might be part of that
whole you know, force foresight where he knows that he's

(01:02:27):
going to get his demise from a creature like the
ball Rog, because he kind of like knows what's coming,
but he's also like leery of it. I kind of
want to almost put it in the fact that it's
it's this might sound a little sacrilegious, but it's almost like,
you know, when Jesus Christ knew that he was gonna
be sacrifice in the Cross, I think Gandalf kind of

(01:02:48):
knew that he was going to sacrifice himself to save
the party from the ball Oh yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I don't know if I agree with that as much,
because what the Bower is, it's the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Of what Gandalf is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
You know, where Gandalf's a Meyer and he's he's brought
about from the creator of life. The Ballrog is his opposite,
and it's brought about through darkness and it's the destroyer
of life. So he's like, I have yet to be
tested yet such a thing. So he's never had to
actually go up against something that's on an equal playing

(01:03:26):
field as himself. So I think that that's it's not
so much that he knows he's a land to the
slaughter as much as I'm going up against something that
is equally as powerful as me and has a very
good chance of killing me, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
So of course, you know, with the ball rog showing up,
it causes the goblins to scatter and the party needs
to run or fly, you fools, and so fly they do.
They you know, they're running through everything, and as I
thought it was needed, as they're running away from the
ball rock, they're still getting shot at. You know, the
goblins are still you know, trying to take him out.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
This this would be the part where I thought Legolists
was really ace and I mean this dude that shot
actually it was more than one shot where they're like
getting shot at from up high and then Legolis just
straight up like a like a sharp shooter.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Man, he just nails I think he nailed him in
the eye, didn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Yeah, it's almost like you fall. It's like very very
oh god, what's the guy that the director of Evil
Dead Sam Raimi, Sam Rami very Sam Raimi shot where
you're following the arrow through the sky and it almost
kind of like turns and it hits the guy right
in the eye. I think that is an awesome shot.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
I agree with you, Rick, Yeah, man, that was like
for me, that was like the best that he did
and this and that made sense to me. I thought
that was the best that he did, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
They're running along and they come to the stairwell and
at this point, this is where I have to think
that the dwarf should be reported to Osha. There is
no guardrails, there is no handrails. There is just these
open stairs to the nothingness that is this cave, and

(01:05:10):
there's all these hard ninety degree turns and you're running quickly.
That's an accident waiting to happen. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
That was designed for that, though, man, that was specifically
designed for that. So that basically kind of like how
you were saying that they locked themselves up in the
room so that they could reduce the effectiveness of the numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
That is like literally what Kazadoum is.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
It is it is specifically crafted in such a way
that with a very small force they can fight off
an invader coming through the east gate morea well to
dwarendelf With, like I said, a very small force and
unfortunately balance his company, who had a outpost inside that area.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
For I think it was several years.

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
Unfortunately they lost it, They lost control because the Orcs
that invaded years ago, they just continually kept throwing down fodder.
They overwhelming, They lost, you know, presumably tons and tons
of orcs, but they.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Just continually continually threw.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Down more and more and more and more, and you
could see how easy it would be to like shoot
them with arrows or bolts or whatever, and that's exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
What they tried to do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
But they did just were completely overrun. But it was
designed to actually look to be defenseless while you're on
those staircases, while you're on the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Bridge doom, So I don't need to report to Osha that,
you know, the Dowarves are mismanaging the funds and not
putting gear cardrails up. But it makes for really really
interesting and a really great cinematic scene with the stairs
and and trying to get from point A to point
B to get to the bridge of Kazak Dune. So Tim,

(01:07:11):
what did you what did you think of of the
minds of Maria in that spot, and what did you
think of Gandalf stand there at at the bridge of
Kazak Dune.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I mean, that's one of the most quoted lines in
the entire trilogy. I mean, not one of us has
ever played an RPG, and that said you shall not pass.
I mean, it's just that's that's what we do. Man,
that's the line we pull out. And then everybody's like,
ah you oh yeah, so uh it's it's just you're

(01:07:41):
gonna throw it out at least once, if that a
dozen dimes. Uh. But it's it's cool. I mean, it's
cool to see the bowl rock. I mean, man, is
that thing awesome? Just freaking awesome, you know. I mean
the fight's a little underwhelming, but what do you do
with that thing? I just don't know. I mean I
think that's when he's like, uh, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Make them fall in a hole, you know. And yeah,
I mean but losing ganoff. Dude, none of us sees
this coming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah, I mean unless you've read the books, but yeah,
I mean he's just like, holy shit, to kill Ganda.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
It's it's it's right up there with certain things that
might happen in the you know, the Harry Potter series,
which I won't mention because it might be a spoiler,
but you're like, damn, you know, so it's just like,
holy shit, I can't believe that just happens. So uh
and it's cool that they added that because the staircase
scene wasn't originally in the movie. They decided the last
minute to add this in and everything, and I thank

(01:08:32):
god they did because it's just so freaking cool, you know.
Just even though the escape with the stairwell going back
and forth, like leaning forward, leaning back, you know, it's
very comical in that regard, but uh, I enjoyed it
a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
And it sounds like a line dance.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I mean, there's so many moments in this mind where
it's just it almost throws back to other movies. You got,
you know that thing, like it's like a line dance.
Just the whole thing with the orcs when they're all
surrounding me, You're like, oh shit, they're you know, they're
they're and then they hear that bow wrong and they
all run away, and you could just hear like an
Eddie murf.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Like that's right, you run you know what's coming? You know? No,
because he has no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
That was GIMBLI.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, he has no idea what's coming kind of thing.
So there's some very funny moments that you can you
can see in your mind's eye, like how it would
you know if there were other characters playing that role
and be like, yeah, that's right, you know it's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
That's all right. Do you see him run? It's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
There's a line. There's a line that Gimley says on
the stairwell and it's uh, nobody tosses a dwarf? Yes, yes,
and then he and then he makes the jump. We
get a call back to that later on and in
the second movie when they're at Helm's Deep. It's actually
funny you bring that up because they actually did that
line first, and then he's like, you know, we need

(01:09:50):
to go back and add that line in over here
to make it funny. So they actually added in nobody
throws a dwarf and that one so it would be
funny for the second one. It was like an afterthought, afterthought,
but it's still well placed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
If you don't know that, you're very entertainment. Sorry I
wrecked it for you, Matthew.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
That's all right, movie magic. It's still it's still sits
in my heart. Yeah, so but yeah, how about you
rick any any thoughts on poor Gandolf's demise.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
Like I said, Man, I have rewounded a thousand times
so I can understand what the heck he was saying,
because I was like, there's no way he's saying fve,
you know. But I mean, from from a story standpoint,
dang man, that is just super duper crazy. For like
one of your you know, MC's to actually get killed

(01:10:39):
in the first movie, that is just crazy. And the aftermath,
you know, everyone being all super duper sad afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
I mean you could feel it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
You could feel it from the music, you could feel
it from the actor's portrayal on screen. You felt it
too as a viewer it you had enough vested into
these characters to really be like dang Man, like you know,
one of your buddies, just a bullet, you know, you know,
I mean cool thing about dungeons and dragons that you

(01:11:12):
could roll up a new character.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
I'm gonna make a new character. I'm not gonna be
called Gandalf the Gray. I'm gonna make a new character.
My character is gonna be called gandal Original.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Dude. Glad you thought that one through.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Although I gotta say in the second movie, you know
that they they we at least get a payoff with
the ball rock. We get a chance to see some fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
So but yeah, you definitely hit a note there with
the the emotional feeling that the party gets coming out
of the minds of Moria, and they take a couple
of minutes just to kind of like, I don't know, mourn, reset, grieve,
you know, go through all the emotions, and then you know,
air Gorn's like, you know, get them up. We need
to get moving because if we're not out of here soon,

(01:12:10):
you know, we're going to be flooded by Orcs. We
got to get out of here high tail that they do.
And then that's when we meet a new character, or
at least a character that comes back from the beginning
of the movie. And that's when we wind up running
into Lothlorian and we meet the elves of the Wood Gladriel.
So what did you guys think of the appearance of

(01:12:32):
Goladriel in this part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I love this scene because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
One of the things I love the most about is
that we get to see a lot of Middle Earth
and we you know, we get to see kind of
how the humans are living. We see you know how
the habits are living. And now you know, we we
seen where the dwarves lived, even though it's basically a
tomb instead of thriving you know, underground city. But now
we get to see where the elves live. I mean
we get a little bit of it Riverondale, but we

(01:12:59):
don't where they get the full scope of it. But here,
like we get to see the entire you know, elf city,
and it's it's just magnificent. It's glowing, it's virant, it's
majestic looking. Everything's you know, the artisan of all the buildings,
the sidewalks, anything, everything that's there is just fantastic looking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
It's beautiful to behold.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
It's picturesque and it's everything you would imagine that at
Elvish Realm would look like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
So I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
And then you know, to add to that, you got
You've got you know, basically the Elvin Queen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
And she's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I mean, she's she's beautiful. She's powerful. She's a very
powerful female character.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
And I like, as she greets the party, she's talking
to them as a whole, yet she's able to talk
to them individually in her mind. At the same time,
she's having conversations with each one of them, not with
the conversations, but more like talking to them individually, and
it's it's just it's wild to think that she has

(01:14:05):
this ability to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I mean, it's just really really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And I just she even Stymi's Gimbli, who in the
beginning kind of gets lippy with the dwarves, and then
once he he meets her, he's just falls under her
spell instantly, you know. I mean, he calls her the witch,
the Witch of the forest, but that's not really what
it is. But I can see why she got that title,

(01:14:32):
because she's just so mesmerizing to behold her beauties, you know,
beyond anything your imagination can come up with. And even
the dwarf just has to, you know, admit, like, she
is the most beautiful creature I have ever seen in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
My entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
And the interaction between them is fantastic, you know. And
it extends past that where she brings proto down and
he kind of gets to look into possible futures in
her mirror, offers her the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
And she's like, you know, if I was take this ring,
I would be a queen that everybody would loving a
door Rah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Know, she gets all kinds of crazy and then she
kind of calms down and she's like, I passed the test.
I believe I'll just remain myself and you know, and
she she's like, you can't give you this ring and
just can't be done, so but she and then she's like,
but I will help you all along, and she gives
each of them a gift, you know, and every gift
she hands out is going to be something very significant

(01:15:32):
that is going to have a pivotal, you know, moment in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
The trilogy as we watch.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
So everything is very well thought out, everything has purpose,
except for Gimli. Gimli is the only one where she
doesn't really have anything for him, and she's like, what
can I do for you, Dwarf And he's like, oh,
you know nothing, and he's like, you know no, and
you know, this is what I would like. And we
find out later he asks for three or for one

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of her hairs, and she's like, he gave me three,
and that's huge because for a dwarf to ask something
of an elf is almost unheard of, and for him
to cherish it the way he does is even more
unheard of.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
So it just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
It this whole scene, it says a lot beyond which
you can even imagine. It just it sets up so
much of the movie and says so much about the
characters that it's just huge. It's it's monumental in the
scope of the movie and how it's going to progress
from here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
I think it also helps set up more of the
the world building of the movie, or at least of
the story, because, like you said, with Gimley, you know,
he's interacting with the elves around him, and he's that
very uh racist. I would almost say, uh yeah, when
it comes towards towards the elves, I mean, he treats

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them like the you know, they're they're inferior to his ability.
But then it isn't like you said it is. Until
he sees heard that it almost like his his whole
perception just kind of changes a little bit. And I
think we see that as he as the movies go
on and he develops more of a friendship with Lego
Luss that you get this this situation where he's no
longer as anti elf as he as he was at

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the beginning of this movie. Definitely some huge character development,
and I've always thought you know what happens to these
three hairs? I mean, this, I think is the only
time that we actually, you know, hear about them. Nowhere
in the movie do we get any recurrence of these
three hairs, and what purpose it gives him other than
I'm assuming character development.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I don't think to serve any purpose. I don't think
they have any special ability. I think it's just simply
that he was so enamored with her that he's like, oh,
I ask is for one of your hairs to remember
you buy?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
That's really what it is. It's just it's like the
ultimate momental.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
But it's you know again, it's the symbolism of a
dwarf asking for such a thing for an alf It's just,
you know, it's unheard of. It's like it's like a
rich person marrying somebody from skid row. It just doesn't happen,
you know, it just that does not happen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Right, And then I think the other thing that I
noticed in this scene in Lothorian is the mirror of Gladrail.
You know, when when Frodo looks at it and he
sees the possible future, you know, if he fails, and
as he's looking into the mirror, you know, ring kind
of like heads towards the pool, and you can kind
of feel the weight, at least the symbolism of the

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weight as it almost like pulls down on Frodo when
he sees the eye, And I just think that that's
another great symbolism for the the sheer heaviness to this
this particular movie.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
Yeah, man, I I don't know if you noticed, but
that thing was smoking after he was.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Looking at it. I think got you know what I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Saying, But yeah, I think that there was a bit
of like cross cultural like integration going on between the
last this scene and the one prior, because you get
Legalis gets a chance to see the passions and how
dwarfs live and probably get a bit of appreciation for it.

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And then this time it's it's Gimley's turn to really
get an appreciation for the elves and it does actually
help them to move forward. And in fact, I thought
it was really fitting that they were in the movie
in the same canoe when they were leaving down the
andwin and sharing that story that that was like I

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don't know if you saw, but Legolis had that smile
on his face after Gimley told him that he got three.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Hairs instead of just the one.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
You know, so I think that was a super bonding
moment that pretty much from this point on you don't
really get any serious static between the two of them.
Were in the like prior to this, she kind of
did a little bit, you know. So I thought it was, Yes,
definitely world building. And by the way, uh, what Timm

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had said is about the Alvin City. Whenever I think
whenever I read a book, because I read fantasies and
stuff like that, whenever I read a book that have
an Elvin city, this is what I envision, man like
pre fort type of thing, but but way better.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
I mean, it's I mean you see on screen what
it looks like.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
It is just so so so cool man, It's absolutely stunning.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
This I'm thinking, here, what's better the Dwarfing city or
the Elvin city? And they both are cool for different reasons,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
But this Alvin city looks super duper duper cool.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Like, I like how this city looks like it's grown
from the trees, you know, it's part of the forest,
whereas in riven Dell it seemed like it was more
you know, structures and cracks.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
No, Riven Dell is cool, But by no means is
that what I think of when I think of Alvin City.
I'm talking about the dwarf in city like that look
cool as hell. Man. You know, I can only imagine
how long it takes to carve that stuff, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, each one of those pillars
that is natural rock, you know what I'm saying. Like

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they they carved around those things that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Was the mountain.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
And I guess I do like how the Dwarfs with
their with their angles and their hard turns and their
you know, everything's got like sharp corners, whereas with with
wa Thorian, like I said, it looks like it's grown.
It's organic, and there's you know, those curves and shapes
and and and everything. And and then one thing I
found found in common with both places is that they're

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still freaking stares without any guardrails.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
I mean, come on, you gotta let it go, man.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Hey man, I guess if you can stand on top
of snow and not sink in, you probably don't need guardrails.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
I mean, you see the scene where they're walking up
to meet to meet glad Reel and you know, the
freaking little platforms, the steps, they have no guardrails. I'm like,
the does ocean not exist in Middle Earth? That's that's
that's my last time I great about it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
You know, that's that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
But like I said, though, especially when you got I mean,
Legoless shows us what an Elf can do.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
This dude is like running around on chains and shooting
cave trolls and stuff. I mean, you know, the stuff
that he's doing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
I mean, if if the normal alf can do a
portion of.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
What he can do, I don't know if they need.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Guard gotta you know very well, center balance. They're very
short people, so there's center balance. You know, they're not
far over very often it's the humans. We're the clumsy ones.
That's why we got to have the railings. If you
probably show up to Rohan and there's railings everywhere, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
All right, I'll give you that. So you know, they
leave Laurian like you had mentioned tim and they go
down the Great River and we get we get, like
you said, the recaps and everything. But the one thing
that I thought was interesting is throughout the movie Prodo.
Whoever he runs into, he like offers the ring to them.

(01:23:36):
He offered the ring to Gandalf. Gandalf rejected it. He
offered the ring to uh Galadriel, she rejected it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
He kind of later on offers the ring to Aragorn,
but he's you know, rejects it. Borimir, though, is the
only guy that he doesn't offer the ring to, and
we kind of get a sense of that when you know,
like you said that conversation, you know, she says he
is going to try to take the ring, and I
just thought that again, great foreshadowing of what's going to

(01:24:05):
happen next. And we kind of see a little bit
of that again in the in the river sequence, when
you know, Bormir is talking to Frodo about the ring
and how it's a great burden to him as they
paddle down the river, and then of course you know
they make camp. Basically, we're getting towards like the last
five minutes or fifteen minutes of the movie, and it's

(01:24:26):
just it's it's neat to see how the characters have
changed from the beginning of the movie to to this point.
What do you guys think of Borimir and his thoughts
on taking the ring.

Speaker 6 (01:24:41):
So we don't see the backstory to Borimir until the
next extended edition, but it all makes sense after you
see that without really saying anything about that, like specifically,
he's just trying to do right by his people, you know.
I mean there was an exchange right before they got

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to the Falls of Raros, where uh he's bornmers trying
to convince Aragorn that it would be a good idea
to go to MINISTERI, that would be beneficial help out
their people and stuff like that, and I mean he,
I mean, he's just trying to do good by his people,
you know. And he doesn't have the strength of will

(01:25:25):
that other humans do. He's a very strong character he's got,
and we see at the end right here that he
has strength, not strength of will, unfortunately and fortunate for
the fellowship air Goorn does. And Aragorn's like snips on him.
He's like, I wouldn't bring the ring within one hundred

(01:25:45):
leagues of your city. Yeah, it's crazy, but yeah it
I think Borimir is redeemed before the end.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Yeah, I will I will say that. Part of me
wants to say that it kind of makes the character
fall short by not knowing that backstory, but it does
pay off later and I think that kind of helps
change your opinion of him in the future movies his character.
What about you, Tim, What do you think of the
whole interaction with Bormir and Proto and leading up to
the scene where they will kay come in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Some of my problems Borimir is I just felt like
his ability to resist the influence of the Ring is
too obvious, you know, I mean, all the rest of
these characters have some ability to resist the influence and
temptation brought about by the Ring. Bormous character right from

(01:26:39):
the get go, is just seduced continuously by this thing.
Why you would let this guy who obviously has no
ability to resist this influence be part of the fellowship
is beyond me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
But you know, outside of that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
You know, once once they lose their patriarch, once ganned
Off has died or at least seemingly died, we're, you know,
now going to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Start to see the fellowship quickly break and the final.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Straw you know, you mean while he's reroll.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yes, you know, and somehow you know, several levels above
the character that passed away, But yes, yes, but the
final straw that dissolves the Fellowship will be when Bornemir
tries to take the ring from Frodo. And we all
see this coming, you know what I mean. It's not
a surprise. We know it's going to happen. But the

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one counter to that, though, is in that moment, as
I was stating before, that's where the words of Gandalf,
during that conversation that he had with Frodo in front
of the doors of the Mind, that's where that comes
back to Frodo and it solidifies his resolve to leave

(01:28:03):
the Fellowship behind and journey onward alone to Mordor. So
you know this action will do it will you know,
between his conversation with Gandolf, the warning that he gets
by Gladriel, you know, he is able to muster the
strength that he needs to realize he has to leave

(01:28:24):
this fractured party in order to prevent the ring from
falling into the wrong hands. And then he must take
this up by himself now to get it to where
it needs to go in Mortor to be destroyed.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
So, uh, yeah, and that and that's what And Galadriel
specifically said that, yeah, for sure, for sure, she was
she was like.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
To be a ring bears to be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Yeah, for sure, although you know, looking for him Sam
Sam wise Gangesus is so adamant about staying by his
side due to the promise that he made Gandalf and
just his love of pro as a whole his friend,
he will not leave aside, so he'll never truly be alone,
and then that's a good thing. But yeah, I mean,
we all seen this coming, but it's still a very

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powerful scene in itself regardless.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
And you know, this is also the part where we
mentioned earlier with the watch towers. This is where we
see Froto slipped the ring on to get away from Boromir,
and that's where he winds up going to that little throne,
and that's where we saw the eye of sour On
showing up being super zoomed in like the Verdigo shot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Unfortunately, if I could keep my fact straight, I would
be presenting that right now instead of.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Having presented.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
It's a really cool scene.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
I will.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
I will give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
It's a really cool scene. And of course you know
it causes it causes Frodo to, you know, take the
ring off and he runs it at er going. Of course,
he's already now defensive because of what happened to him
and Borimir, and you know, a Gon is able to
reject the ring and we get the really cool fight
sequence now of the Orukai, which we kind of glossed

(01:30:07):
over them earlier. But you know, the Rochai are basically
goblins that were beefed up by Sorrowman and at the Eisengarde,
the day Walker here there they don't have to just
travel yeah, yeah, basically, and so they're able to hunt
down the the Fellowship and basically there's this huge fight

(01:30:28):
sequence that takes place and you know, hacking and slashing
and arrows everywhere, and it's it's a really cool sequence.
And you know, this is where we kind of get
Froda's way of saying goodbye to everybody without actually saying goodbye,
because you know, he runs into Pippin and Mary, and
you know it's Pippin who gets gets the the idea

(01:30:51):
that oh heay, he's he's running, you know, he's good
getting away.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Oh no, no Mary. Mary was like, oh, he's leaving.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
But it was Pippins whose idea was to make it distract.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Yeah, you know, Brashley made it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
You know, I don't know what it is with those two.
But I get them confused all the time. You know, so.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Two of them.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
I when the movie was still kind of fresh, I
had a colleague that I worked with who had a
rather strange idea about those two hobbits.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
I don't want to hear this, no, I was gonna say,
I get I get them confused. I get their names
confused all the time because they're kind of the same
characters in a way, you know, the one, you know,
one thinks about nothing but bellion food, and the other
one thinks about nothing but you know, drinking ale. And yeah,

(01:31:53):
it's they just they seem very interchangeable to me when
it comes to their names, So I always get their
names confused. I can never remember which one's marrying, which
one's Pipping, you know, is Pipping the one with a
big broad nose, or is married the one with a
big I think had.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
These been the castaways to go with the Silent, they
would be and the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Yes, yeah, so, but yeah, it's just it's it's a
great sequence of the fellowship breaking in the fact that
you know, you get this big fight sequence and poor
Mary and Pipping get grabbed by the by the orukai.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
But but not without Barimeres like mad, yes, you know
what I'm saying, like like, don't get me wrong, Borimir, Yes,
he tried to take the ring, but he immediately came
to his senses after Froto left. Do you hear him

(01:32:52):
in the background while Proto's in the Athol plane or
wherever the hell he is inside with the ring where
Bori Meres kind of saying sorry, And then you get
that really funny scene where Bormir goes and he's like cried,
He's like frutal. I watched that one a thousand times too.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
That was great.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
But he gets the horn of uh of God door
and he's blasted the thing away, trying to attract all
of the rakai so that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Basically he can keep everyone safe. You know, he's he's
sacrificing himself and does everything he can to.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Save Mary and Pittin seven of those massive great bow arrows.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
I thought it was four.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
He takes three pulls, takes another three or four after that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
How many it was, I don't know, but I know
it was more than i'd take. I'd take one and
I'd be probably against one of.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Those trees.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Like that thing looked crazy. Those are huge, yeah, regular
size arrows, man, those were huge. And he even even
with the arrows in him, he was still swadding away
those oral guy like they were flies.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Well, he's freaking him out because every time he they'd
be like Okay, this dude's down and he'd be like right,
he come back up and like what the hell man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Jump back again.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
I just thought it was heat that, you know, after
all that, the one, the one o Kai just kind
of slowly walks up to him, knocks an arrow, pulls
it back, and you get to that wide shot of
him like pointing the arrow right at bordermill. You know,
any second night he's gonna let loose and kill him.
And then Erra Gorn just comes flying out of nowhere,
you know, and just tackles that that Orki and uh,

(01:34:46):
you know, we get a kick ass fight sequence there.
But yeah, it just it was very ominous just seeing
him walk up to the walk up the bormre like that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
That was a good fight scene. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
I really enjoyed that fight. Really get a chance to
see aero goring and action.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Part of what makes that scene so cool is that
those two are really fighting because that guy that's playing,
you know, Lerts he the armor is so bulky, he
can't see because of the process, like the contacts and
his eyes and stuff, like he can't even hardly throw
a like he can't throw a punch correctly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
So he they're just like, look, just just hit me.
So he like really is hitting him, and you know,
and Vigo is really hitting him back and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
And that's why when he goes to throw that dagger
at him, it's supposed to actually go to the tree
to the side of him, but.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
The armors so cumbersome.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
He throws it and it goes at Vigo, and Vigo
just takes his sword and knocks it out of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
By accident, like he'd been.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Practicing long enough that he just is reflexes were so fast.
He just grabs that sword and hits the sword out
of the air. Otherwise it would have really hit him,
and it was an actual metal like prop sword, it
probably would have really messed him up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
So it was just dumb luck that he managed to
deflect it with the sword.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
And uh yeah, and then he was like he got
really into it because of the fight and how intense
it was. He's like, I want to be able to
cut his arm off and then his head. So they
did it, like they cut his arm off and then
they brought in a they quickly put together a dummy
and had him cut the head off the dummy and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
So yeah, it got real intense though, mainly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Because again the guy just he's like, I can't see,
I can't hardly throw a punch, like because I can't,
I don't know where to pull a bag of things.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
So yeah, it was pretty much a real.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Fight at some point because he's just like, we're just
gonna have to like slug our way through this for real.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
And I guess it paid off because you loved it,
So there you go. He bled for you, Rick.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
I think my one of my favorite parts of that
fight sequence though, is when when he takes the shield
and he throws it at at Eric Goarn and it
like catches him like right at the neck, and I'm like,
that's pretty cool. But yeah, so the Fellowship breaks up.
They had this cool fight sequence. Poor boromras is Uh
has taken you know, eighteen to the chest and is

(01:37:07):
lying there dying, and you know, Eric Gordon at least
comes over and you know, gives him the the proper
sind Off and deserves because you know, he was able
to redeem himself. He's like, no, you are a son
of Gondor you you know, you've in my eyes, you
have you know, shown yourself as to be true. And

(01:37:29):
I just thought that was a very heartfelt and touching sequence.
And then of course we cut over to Frodo and
you know, we get that scene that you had talked
about Tim where you know, he's holding that ring and
he's just standing there and that whole conversation comes back
to him, and I think that's you know, very telling
of what's going on in his mind. And of course,

(01:37:52):
you know, Sam joins him and they go and cross
the river and you know, go off to being part
two of the movie. And then you know, the rest
of them, Eric Gorn and Gimlee and Lego less don't
go after Frodo and Sam, but they decide to go

(01:38:13):
hunt or okay, and that again leads off to the
second movie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Well, and I think there's a little something in here too,
because I mean, not only has the Bormers seemed really
powerful and and his character, you know, is redeemed in
the end from his actions of defending the habits. But
it's also a life changing moment for Aragon because if

(01:38:38):
you really think about it, you know, upon being Strider
and discovering his true origins, you know, he tells Strider's like,
don door needs no king, we don't need you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
We're doing just five, you know. And in the end,
you know, on his with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
His dying last words, he's like, you know, you're my brother,
You're my captain, You're my king. You know I would
have followed you into anything to hell him back, which
basically has at this point, you know, and he implores
him not to abandon his people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
And I think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
The moment, you know that air Gon realizes that, you know,
this hardened man who in the beginning declared, we don't
need you, We don't you know, you've you've you've turned
away from us. You don't want to be our king,
and we don't need you to be our king. He
just changed this man's mind. And in this man's you know,

(01:39:35):
dying plea for true leader of men, I think a
Gond is like, I can't let this go unanswered. I
think you see that moment where he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
I think I'm going to have to pick up the sword.
I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
You know, become the king that the humans need in
order to make sure that they don't you know, wink
out of existence, you know, in in the in this So,
I think it's a very telling moment for Aragon, even
though it's not said. It's not stated, but you see
that look in him, like, you know, it's just I

(01:40:11):
think the call is there. You know, he realizes, like,
I think I've been wrong to avoid this responsibility my
entire life.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Yeah, definitely, it does seem like a very rallying, rallying moment,
which kind of makes me think about something that happens
in the scene with Gimli and Legolas. So, you know,
er Go and says, hey, we're gonna go. You know,
we're not gonna leave Mary and Pippin to die. You know,
we're gonna go save them. And he's like kind of

(01:40:41):
getting ready, you know, he's he's packing up his kids,
he's putting things together, and he noticed he's putting bracers
on his arms and one of the bracers looks like
the Tree of Gondor And I was curious, was did
he pull that off of Borimir? And is he putting that?

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
Boy?

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
He did kind of loot his body more or less.
But yeah, but I don't think it was I'm louting
his body. I think it was more of a keepsake
I need to remember, yeah, you know, like I need
to remember, you know, I need to remember the sacrifice
this man has made, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Need to maybe reattached to my roots a little bit,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
So I think it was more of a out of
respect thing than I'm louting his body, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
And I also want to go back to that conversation
that they had Borimir and Aragorne had before Borimir meets
his demise.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
So I think.

Speaker 6 (01:41:34):
That that bit of the story, I think that that
was real. Like I think that that something is very
similar to that. I have a mind to think that
something very similar that happened to Tolkien when he was
in the war, because it seemed so authentic, you know

(01:41:55):
what I'm saying, Whether it was something that maybe he
would was the person who was playing the role as
Aragorn or one of the two, because I don't know
if he's caught this.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Gimli and.

Speaker 6 (01:42:11):
Legless were on the sideline just kind of watching, and
for them it seemed like a really interesting moment to
be able to understand a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:42:22):
Better the world of men and.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
How important courage and honor is to them, you know
what I'm saying. But going back to the realness of it,
I don't know. I mean, I haven't you know, necessarily
been in that type of lack a war scenario and
stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
But it seemed real as hell.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
It seemed like it was something that actually came from experience,
a lived experience that he wrote down on paper in
this fictional world. And I'm so glad that it came
out the way that it did on screen, because if
you're watching this, certainly for the first time, I mean,

(01:43:09):
it's so heartfelt, you know what I'm saying, to actually
see this stuff go down the way it did.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
I thought, I thought it was a really good portrayal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Yeah, I agree with you there along the same lines
of it's the Fellowship seems to like have this theme
of breaking concepts and breaking down borders between different races,
and it's kind of take taken from the point of

(01:43:40):
view of people who have to go off to war,
people who have to stand up to something evil. You know,
you get this whole unity between everybody, and I just
think it's a it's a nice them that plays throughout
this entire movie. So well, guys, that's pretty much the
Fellowship of the Rings or a Fellowship of the Rings. Sorry,

(01:44:01):
what do you think as far as death clock? Is
it worth taking three hours and twenty minutes off your
death clock?

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
Tim?

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Oh? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
I mean not just this movie, but movie these three
movies might possibly be the greatest trilogy ever created. And
that's coming from a guy who loves Star Wars hands down.
I know, I see the look on your face, but
I mean I love Star Wars. But these these three
movies are almost perfect. I mean just absolutely perfect. It

(01:44:30):
has everything you could want in a movie too. I
mean it has action, it has a venture, it has fantasy,
it has horror, romance, the classic good versus Evil trope.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
I mean, it's just it's got everything.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
And it also shows that you can not only make
a three hour plus movie that audiences will gladly sit through,
but if it's done right, it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Ends on a cliffhanger which leaves you want you more.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
And I get to the end of this and I
don't know about you, guys, I want more, and not
only that, but I want to watch this again.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
And again and again at.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Three and a half hours and care it's it's a
great three and a half hours, so, you know, and
it proves that, you know, when you're creating a cinematic
version of a beloved work, you know you should find
writers and directors and actors they are just as passionate
about the material as it's you know, creator.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
And the fans who support it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And you know, every aspect of this film shows the
commitment of everybody involved to bring Tolkien's vision to you know,
to life in a voice that he wrote it in
and not how they felt it should be presented.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
I mean, Peter Jackson just did that right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
And it's just a stellar example of what can be
achieved when a filmmaker chooses to not interpret or force
social agendas in a classic story or can enfranchise. It's
just storytelling done right. And it's truly the one. I'm
gonna say, it's the one trilogy to rule them all.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Nice, very nice, all right, Well, I honestly I think
you hit a lot of points that I was going
to say, so not sorry not to say on like
Gal from the Born to Watch guys, but I totally
agree or to quote to quote Joey in several of

(01:46:09):
our our our episodes. Duh, but no, I agree. I
think that this movie is probably the start of a
quintessential trilogy that you know, you have to watch whether
or not you're a fantasy fan. But just the storytelling alone,
it's it's got the good versus evil tropes. Like you said,

(01:46:31):
it is by far probably the number one movie you
need to watch on the thousand and one movies uh list,
maybe next to Jaws. Jaws better than that. But how
about you, Rick? Where are you? Mister dungeon master Lait?
You know, I kind of have a feeling considering that
you had the word dungeon.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
In your name.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
Yeah, I mean, definitely, this is definitely something that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
People should watch.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
If if you are into the fantasy genre and you
haven't seen this, then you really need to do yourself
a favor and enjoy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
This is so good.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
It fits right along in the wheelhouse of anyone who
is really in the fantasy. And like Tim said, it's
not only for fantasy lovers.

Speaker 5 (01:47:18):
There's a whole plethora.

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
I mean, I think this is actually listed as a drama,
actually not a sci fi, not anything else. It's it's
actually listed as drama as the genre that it is,
and rightfully so. It has stellar acting by all of
the cast members. We already talked about the score, and

(01:47:42):
we talked about the costumes and the makeup and the
CGI and the practical effects, and the list goes on
and on and on and on and on. It is
just a fantastic movie and it's and it's it's and
the movie is based on a on a book that
is fantastic, so hands down, you really ought to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen, there's our recommendations
for Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring. Come
back next week where we'll dive even further into the
World of Rings trilogy with Part two, The Two Towers.
But meanwhile, we love to hear from you, so please
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(01:48:28):
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