Episode 71 - Casino (Here's your pen) - Middle Age Movie Reviews Podcast

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Speaker 2 (02:08):
My name is Tim and my podcasting partners are middle.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Aged Matt, Joey dungeon Master Rick.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
All right, Joey, why don't you tell us which show
We're capped in the casino tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Tonight, we are watching the nineteen ninety five movie Casino
Number eight hundred and ninety one, from the book of
one thousand and one Movies You Should Watch Before You Die,
written by Nicholas Peleggi and Martin Scorsese, directed by Martin
Scorsese and starring Robert De Niro, Sharon Stone, Joe Pesci,
and James Wood.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thanks Joey, All right, guys, usual question, When was the
first time you watched this gym of a film from
Martin Scorsese. Joey, you're up first.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think I watched it on VHS at home. I
think I rented it. I didn't see it at the theater.
I would have been sixteen years old when this came out,
and I wasn't really that into Martin Scorsese time. So
I want to say I discovered this on VHS.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Gotcha? All right? What about you?

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Rick? So look, I've been watching movies since I was
probably in my teens and stuff like that. So for
the longest time, I never really even watched this movie,
and it just so happened that I think I was
like either at a funeral or maybe like a like
a wedding or something like that. And I happened to

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meet up with one of my cousins who's actually Sicilian,
and we were talking about movies and like, you know,
he's into Star Wars and stuff like that, and he
had mentioned The Godfather, you know what I'm saying. And
he says, hey, have you seen this movie, The Godfather?
And I was like, nah, I've never seen that movie.
I don't think I'm really into that kind of stuff.

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He turns to me, he says, Kujino, you have seen
the movie And I said, no, I've never seen the movie.
I don't I don't really know if I'm really into
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
He says, but that is a good movie. You gotta
watch the movie. And I said, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
I don't. I don't think I'm gonna watch it. He says,
you're gonna disrespect to me. You're gonna disrespect to me
just like a dad. Huh.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
And I said, no, No, I'm not gonna do that.
He says, then watch the movie, okay, watch of the movie.
You were like the movie The Godfather?

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Okay? So I said all right, and I happen to
watch the movie all right, and I loved it. I
loved it so much that it got me on this
kick to watch a bunch of other mob movies, and
I ended up watching the Casino back on this mob
binge that I was on with Scarface and Godfather and

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all and good Fellas and all those.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm so glad that you got wonderful for this movie
that you know, it was inspirational.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
We were just the kids, and then we ate the
shuffle boy r D.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
It's a meanie Mario.

Speaker 8 (04:57):
I'm gonna win.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, Tim, how about you, when was the first time
you got to see this movie and feel please feel
free to, you know, throw in any kind of stereotypes
you want.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I would never never.

Speaker 9 (05:09):
Do such a thing such as that. That's that would
be wrong. And and this story that Rick has has
told us tugged at my hot strings like the tugging
of a violin string doing a beautiful sonnic.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't have quite the story he has.

Speaker 9 (05:25):
When I watched it, I just I was looking at
my wife and I said, you know, wife, yeah, I said,
do you remember that when we went to watch this movie?
And she says, I watched that with you.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't even like those gangster films, And I was like,
why are you talking like that?

Speaker 8 (05:39):
Used to sound really weird. I would talk like this,
you should stop, You should just stop. You sound weird
and strange. You're breaking my heart. But so after that
brief discussion, I determined that I had.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Not watched this at the theater.

Speaker 9 (05:54):
I was not big into the into the gangster films
because it made me feel dirty and disco yes, being
a non Sicilian as I am, and uh and so uh,
I remember it's having a VHS copy of it. It
came in, you know, that the big package with I
think the two VHS's and then you had to get

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up in the middle. You know, it's all right, they
got a canole in a nice you know cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Why you you know, switched out to v tapes and so.

Speaker 9 (06:23):
Uh that was the first time that uh, yeah, that
I watched this film was it was a VHS and
uh it was it was spectacular.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Well, very very nice.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Don Tim, I really appreciate your use of quodoni here.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
It's the stereotype.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, so if you have any hate mail for you,
feel free to send it to Tim care of MAM
Review Podcast at gmail dot com. Back to the main topic, though, Uh,
the first time I watched this movie, I was not
falling under any stereotypes here. I actually watched this movie
on DVD in around two thousand and six, after it
came out with its tenth anniversary edition. I enjoyed it,

(07:01):
and I'm looking forward to diving into this movie with
you guys. So let's go ahead and take a look
at Casino.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
So, Matt, I gotta say, look, I get it stereotypes
of stuff, but I really do have a Sicilian cousin
really did say that this is a true story. The
only thing is if he were to listen to this,
he might disagree on how exactly he speaks.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Okay, all right, well, hey, uh, cousin veto Sicilian, Joe whatever.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Rick's cousin's name is Mike.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
Cousin Mike, Okay, cousin Mike, Michael, don't send a link
to him, not to be confused with Michael CORDOLIONI. Okay,
all right, Well.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Cousin Mike, if you had to be listening to this,
feel free to email your hate mail to your cousin
Rick at dungeonmaster lead at YouTube dot com.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
All Right, well, uh, don.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Tem what do you have as our resident director for
synopsis tonight?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, Matthew, I would like you to channel of Italian
as you read the synopsis as Sam ace Rostin as
he contemplates his future, sitting at the precipice of all
the bad choices he has made.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Oh wait, wait, wait wait.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Even though de Niro is an Italian actor, he's actually
playing a guy who's supposed to be Jewish.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
But there's no Italian Jews. What are you trying to
say here? I mean, the name's Rothstein, It don't matter.
Don't mean he didn't grow up in the east side
of the West Side, maybe even the South Side. I
don't know, it would have been the south Side.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's set in Chicago, Gago tell you what, I'll do
my best Chicago accent up bars.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, you know, there was a time in my life
when Sam Rothstein had it all, no question in that
I went from being a hell of a handicapper to
run in one of the world's largest casinos, the Tangiers.
Anywhere else in the country, I was a bookie.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
And a gambler.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
But in Las Vegas I was mister Sam Rothstein. I
was not only legitimate, but I also had power and influence. Now,
don't get me wrong, being connected didn't hurt either, But
it's that second part that can often help and hinder
one's endeavors. Sure, my job was to make money, and

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I made lots of money, but maybe not all that
money goes accounted for if you know what I mean.
And when you're dealing with that kind of money, certain
caveats from vested parties in Chicago are to be expected. One,
you have to produce above and below board. Two you
need to keep a low profile doing it, and three

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you will have oversight. It's in that third one part
of my problems would come to fruition. My best friend
from childhood, Nicki Centorro, a made man, was a sign
to be my protector and ensure everyone knew who owned
the casino. Nicki was a good guy, but his reckless
and violent behavior, coupled with this desired to eke out

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his own gangster fife them in Las Vegas often ran
counter to what I was hired to do with the Tangiers,
and to that I also let love blind me. I
married Jinger mckinna, a former hustler with whom I foolishly
tried to win her love and affection through financial security.
She backstabbed me with her con artist ex Lester Diamond,

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disrupting my life even further. Unfortunately, at this point, the pride,
power and position that blinded my decisions I was overturn
All right, Well, guys, that was the synopsis for Casino
pretty neat, little cold open, looking much like I would
say James Bond movie with some cool visual effects after

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a major explosion scene with Robert de Niro inside the car.
Did anyone else get that casino royale feel with the
credits and stuff.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I don't know, but it really gives you the false
impression that he got blown out of the car.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yeah, yes, totally.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
How about you, Tim, Did you get the impression that
he was blown out of the car he blew up?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
There's no other way to interpret that at the beginning,
because it actually shows the silhouette of the seat with
him in it flipping around in the fireball. But I'll
tell you what, though, it's a good way to capture
your audience right out the game. You see the explosion, like,
oh crap, what's this all about? They killed the Neiro?
You didn't make it thirty seconds. He's dead, Like, he
walks to the door to his car and he's dead, Like,
what the hell.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
It's like one of those movies where you get the
ending in the beginning and now you get to see
how it all kind of happened. You know.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, it just grabs it.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
There's no other way of saying. I Score says he's
got a way of grabbing his audience, and this grabbed
my attention from the get go for sure.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yeah, same here.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, it was definitely a quick hook to get
you into the movie. And of course, you know, after
we see this explosion in the cool little credit sequence,
we dive right into the story narration, much like our
intro to this episode. You get Nikki and you get
Ace narrating the start of everything. So it's kind of
fun and neat to see that this is a story

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taken from two viewpoints. Are protagonists of Ace Roth's and
of course our antagonists who start out to be like
best friends.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
So what do you guys think of the whole.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Narration of the storytelling. I mean, it is an interesting
way to tell the story. What do you think, Joey,
You're immediately reminded of Goodfellas. It's just like we're not
hearing raleiota this time. We didn't hear you know, Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Two times right right, Get the papers, Get the papers.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
But you're immediately like aware that it feels like a
spiritual sequel. And speaking of spiritual sequels, the spiritual sequel
to this movie.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Is The Irishman Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
It is kind of neat that this movie kind of
shines a light on the casino industry and what it
was like in the late seventies and early eighties. But
before I dive into that, Rick, what did you think
of the dueling intros or the dueling narrations?

Speaker 6 (12:43):
I thought it was super cool. I really like how
when they're talking about everything that happened in the past
in the narrative format, that you hear it from their
words and their perspective, but you see it what more
seems to be like what really happened and stuff, So
you get this like spin on how they perceive the world,

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as in things are happening to them and they just
can't let certain things like disrespect fly, even though maybe
other people might look at it and be like that
it's kind of blown out of proportion. You can just
kind of like let it slide. But the way you
really get to hear their thoughts on how they view
the world as it happens, while you see what the

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truth or what we maybe think is the truth of
what really happened. And you get to see all the corruption,
how are things like rigged and stuff, and how our
characters are. You get to kind of put them in
little boxes as far as what sets them off, what
is going to be their triggers, and what's their motivations
those type of things. It's really really good. I really

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appreciated this narrative form. I like this type. And also
when they do the narrative form, not that in this
movie they do it like this, but in narrative forms
where they have heists where they say, here's our plan
and then you see what the plan is gonna be
as the plan happens and stuff. I love that stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Rick, I have one word for you, I man use
son of a Bitch.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, Tim, how about you?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
What'd you think of this double narrative and the kind
of the stream of consciousness this movie takes on.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean, that's the magic of this movie. It's been
a quick minute since I've watched Goodfellows, but I know
he uses the narrative lat score sasy, but I don't
think he's ever done a duly like this before. And
not only that, but it goes throughout the film, which
I think is the real magic of this. I mean,
because if you think about it, this is a three
hour movie that has no plot. It's a lot of action,

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no plot in all narrative A lot of it is anyway,
and I found that to be mesmerizing. And I enjoy
not only the narration of the things that are going on,
because you know what the characters are thinking, but you
get insight that what one character thinks of another. You
know what De Naro thinks about Nicky and vice versa,
and I think nothing of Pito bid Is that more
than when they're in that bar, Yeah goes and yes,

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that guy is like, hey, is this your pen? The
guy's like yeah, and you could do take that pen
and jamming up your fucking ass. And he comes around
he's like, oh yeah, he starts stabbing that fucking neck,
you know, yeah, And I'll never forget that. I mean,
it's just going to town with this pen and stuff.
And then de Niro's like, here, I am thinking about
why did this guy say this to me and Nikki
in the meantimes, just tooling this guy up like non stop,

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like a pit bull, you can do a boom. It's
that kind of thing where you're not gonna get it
off their visual face. You're gonna actually get to hear
like what he's thinking while this guy's basically disemboweling this
dude's neck. And then you get the little cherry on
top where he's like, you hear that, you hear that?
Do you hear a little baby? Is that?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
What I heard?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Was that tough guy it was just to go out here,
just give a little baby?

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
And I do like how they go from character to
character because not only do we get, you know, the
main characters to have this inner monologue or this narration,
but every once in a while a secondary character will
have one. Case in point, when we see Frankie later
on in the movie talking to the main boss guy
and asking him, so is so and so sleeping with
such such a person and break he's got his internal monologue.
And I'm like, that's kind of clever, because neither Sam

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nor nick you are in the scene, you gotta have
somebody to carry that through. And I thought it was
really cool that Scorsese was able to even use secondary
characters to continue this story device.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It was a way to take pivotal moments and let
the characters explain why they made the decisions that they made.
There's that one moments like oh, I could have told
that he was screwing the Jew's wife, but nobody was
gonna win from that statement, so I lied. It was
nice to get that a little bit of that insight
into those pivotal moments by doing that.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, And like I said, I think it's a great
story device that's Scorcese used.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
So anyway, we're introduced to Sam.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
So how about you, Rick, what did you think of
the Nero's portrayal of Sam Ace Rothstein.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Look, man, I was super duper peaky blinder lover. You know,
I watched pretty much all the big mob movies and
stuff like that, and a moment ago you were kind
of talking a little bit about stereotypes with regard to
Lee's movies in particular, and I think there is kind
of like a stereotype about the Jewish mobsters in how

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they portray a little bit more of an analytical character,
less emotional, more numbers and business based. And I think
you get this with this portrayal of Rostein, that things
happen that would make people go absolutely bonkers, but when
the things happen to him, you can tell that it's

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like welling up inside. But when it really comes to execution,
he really doesn't have a whole lot of execution when
it comes to actually follow through with what his emotions
would have someone do. And I think it's because he
keeps even keel on his actions. But you do see
the emotions in the actor. This is really something he's

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upset about. But everything comes down to the money. Everything
else is secondary. It's all about the money. And I
think you certainly get the feeling that while there might
be emotions in there, that's not important. Not with his character.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, it does seem like money and numbers is the
driving force for Sam. Does that kind of make him
a typical Scorsese hero then, in your opinion.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
No, I don't think so. I think that there were
times when he was greatly disrespected, and I think that
a typical hero that you would see in those films
would spring to action, you know what, I mean.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Right with Joey? How about you? Would you think of
Sam Rothstein?

Speaker 4 (18:21):
You know it's De Niro. It's just I don't want
to talk down about Robert de Niro, but there's Roles.
I'm not gonna cast him in like if I said,
Robert de Niro be a tree. No, he's fucking Robert
de Niro. You're gonna put him in a Robert de
Niro role. Is he type cast?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Did he make a career out of it?

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Does he does? He have range? He does, but I
wouldn't cast him as the comic relief in a silly comedy.
He can do comedy, but he's usually the straight man, right,
he's intimidating and Meet the Parents and all those sequels.
But you know, you guys were saying, it's like he
doesn't look.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Jewish, right right, Okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Fuck it. It's Robert DeNiro. He's playing a guy who
overlooks a casino. He's gonna nail it, right. You just
cast him anyways, and nobody fucking cares. Nobody remembers that.
It's kind of like a fun tiboit where you're like.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
By the way, his character's Jewish. Did you catch that, right.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
So that's kind of how I felt about it. They
let you know that, like, he's very focused on the
task at hand. When it was numbers, illegal gambling, he
had a system, he understood things, and he had results.
And so now that he's in Vegas, it's the same thing.
He's got his fingers in all the pies. He knows
what's going on, and he's all about business. And it's really,

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you know, his relationships.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
That fuck everything up, right.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
It's his friendship with Joe Pesci's character, and it's his
romantic relationship with Sharon Stone's character. If that wasn't going on,
there wouldn't be a fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well, how about you, Tim, what thoughts do you have
on the introduction of our buddy Sam here and de
Niro playing him.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think it's the perfect yin Yang. De Niro's Sam
character is the calm to Pesci's storm of Nikki Santoro.
They compliment each other, well, where one's very much business,
one's very much about being a gangster. But the biggest
thing is that this isn't just a character that he's playing,
because this movie's based on somewhat true events. A bot

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a casino that was run by the Outfit, which is
the Chicago mob back in the seventies. It's really about
the stardust is what it's about. And so you know,
his character sam Ace Rostin is really based on a
real gangster named Frank Lefty Rosenthal. And he actually got
to sit down with Frank and talk to him. So
they actually had several conversations and he learned how Frank

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really was so that he could basically become that character.
In the end, when Scorsese played the rough cut of
this movie to Frank, Frank was ecstatic because he's like,
except for one part in the show where I'll get
to it later, there was only one parties like that
makes me look stupid. Otherwise, it's like it was a
perfect portrayal of how things really happen in me as
far as he was concerned. So he's very pleased. So

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this isn't a character that he developed or that he
thought about. I mean, this is based off of a
real person and he nailed it. Good Fellow is also
the thing based on a real person. Yeah, absolutely, And
it's a narrow character. I mean, he's that guy, he's
that controller. I mean, even in heat he plays the
character Neil. He's the controller in that one too. That's
kind of what de Niro's thing is. He's the bad guy,
but he's not the crazy bad guy. He's the cold,

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calculating bad guy.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Right, and Peesch Peschi's not.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's not what you hire Peschi for. But yeah, we'll
get to him in a second.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
You know, I had to agree with you, guys. I mean,
Robert de Niro plays Robert Niro roles, and this whole
role just screams DeNiro. I mean, he's your typical calculating character,
and he's playing things by the numbers. He's looking at
all the angles. He's watching the manager, while the manager's
watching the floor manager, the floor managers watching the pit bosses,
all the way down the line. I just think that, Yeah,
that's that's your typical DeNiro kind of character. And yeah,

(21:54):
you can definitely see him as a protagonist. Well, let's then,
as you had mentioned him, let's switch over to Nicki Centario.
What do you think of Joe Pesci playing this? I know,
personally I thought that Joe Peschi brought this guy to
life because I mean, he's that funny looking guy who's
got a short temper as tall as he is or
as short as he is, I should say, so, Yeah,

(22:14):
I really liked Joe Peschi as Nikki.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
What was your thoughts on him? Tim?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
He takes the Napoleon complex to a whole new level.
Let's just put it that way. I mean, he really does.
But I mean that's what Joe Peschi does best, That's
what we know him for. He's that hot headed little
Italian guy that just compensates for his hype by being
just as brutal as possible, and he does it here
and again. He's based on a real character too, Tony
the ant Splittoro, and Pesci had it down so much

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and looked so much like him that when he showed
up into the casino, he made some of the people
in their nervous because they had had to deal with
the real guy and they thought it was him. He
freaked them the hell out and out of that, but
Scorsese brought in a lot of X wise guys to
give a guid and to make sure they were doing
things the real way, and they said his portrayal of
this character was so on point that it was terrifying.

(23:06):
They said, he is the epitome of every Mathia guy
that these guys have ever met. He just had it nailed.
He's brutal, he loves being a gangster, projecting his power.
No all is he doing his job for the outfit
in Chicago, but he's like, I'm also gonna forge my
own little world here too, and nobody's gonna tell me
how to do it. And it's gonna cause a lot
of problems down the line here for Robert De Naro's

(23:26):
character Ace, for sure. But how do you control something
like that when you're just the guy that's running things
and he's the made man. You don't have much say
over that. You can't tell him what to do, and
as we'll find out later, you don't talk about him
to other people.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah, but he did a great job.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
And that opening sequence, in that bar, it sets the
whole tone for the character.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree with you, It definitely does. It is
interesting that Joe Peschi is playing this kind of a
character because if you look into his past, he kind
of grew up around wise guys like Nikki Centario. What
about you, Rick, What was your thoughts on Joe Peschi's
performance here?

Speaker 6 (24:00):
It was good man. I like the character, like the
way that he made the character what he is. Sometimes
you feel as though maybe he's upset. It wasn't that
he was necessarily upset when he sprung to action. Most
of the time he sprung to action on a matter
of really it was one main thing, maybe a little
bit of family, But most of the time he sprung

(24:22):
to action because of disrespect, and when there was a
disrespect that happened. I didn't necessarily all the time get
the feeling that he was really doing this because he
was pissed. He was doing it because of disrespect. This
guy was a hammer, and if he wasn't going to
beat the shit out of someone, then that meant that
people ain't gonna listen to him. So you really get

(24:43):
the feeling that he's about to do something. He's going
to take care of the business, because if he doesn't,
then he's not going to have any street cred, you
know what I mean. So I thought it was super cool.
I thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the crazy stuff that he did.
It was just honestly too funny, and like we already mentioned,
when you get to hear the perspective that he had

(25:04):
on this is what happened, this is what I did,
and this is how it goes, or like in the
cases when they're explaining how the system works, it's like
a matter of fact, you gotta give money to these people.
You got to give money to those people so that
these people got your back in these situations and that
the machine works, and it's really cool. It's really cool.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, did you guys find times when he's enacting some
of his anger out on people. There are times every
time I'm like, my god, I'm mazed this man just
doesn't have a heart attack and die. He gets so
into that character. I'm like, oh, I don't know how
you can perform at that level and not just have
a gripper.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Sometimes, Yeah, he just does seem to be rather overzealoused,
almost the point where I'm thinking he's like channeling some
kind of sadistic internal character to him. And you know, Rick,
you did mention, you know he acts on things of disrespect.
I think he also acts on you know, perceived disrespect too,
because big time the times in this movie where I'm like,
why is he blowing up at this guy? He didn't

(26:03):
actually disrespect him. He just kind of said, hey, no,
this is how it works. I told you you were
gonna lose a little bit of money on this, and
he was like immediately ready to like rip into the.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Guy well out on that. But I enjoy is Cartman esque.
I just do what I want, you know. He's like,
I do what I want. You'll respect my authority, you know.
Just he's totally like Cartman in some regards.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, what about you, Joey.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Any thoughts on Joe Pesci's character.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Much like a de Niro Pesci this is not the
same character from Goodfellas, but it's not that much different either.
He's kind of typecast, yes, right, but they're typecasting him
in his strongest role. I mean, you look at Raging Bull,
you look at Goodfellas, and you look at Casino in particular,

(26:52):
and those are all very similar characters in different situations.
I don't want to like shit on the performance at all,
but it's like when you went to see a Chris
Farley movie, you were watching a Chris Farley movie. Right
when you're watching an Adam Sandler movie, you're watching an
Adam Sandler movie. He's being Adam Sandler. And I'm not
saying Joe Pesci's really like those characters, but he's doing

(27:16):
what he does best in these and the truth of
it is, there's other roles that have challenged him more
and this this isn't one of them. I think he's
doing the best of what he's good at.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Gotcha, Yeah, I agree on that. Well, let's go ahead
and take a look back ten years before the opening
of this film, when Ace was working in Chicago as
a sports handicapper and mafia associated. He's sent by the
Chicago outfit to Las Vegas to run the Tangiers Casino.
He soon doubles the casino's profits with extra unaccounted for
cash skimmed directly from the casino's count room and delivered

(27:46):
to the Midwest mafia bosses. So when they break down
how the casino is set up, you see all the
different steps that the mob takes to get Sam into
the position that he's at. What did you guys think
of that in this five minute sequence of setting everything up?
What'd you think, Tim?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's kind of crazy when you really listen to what
they're telling you. That's the most war work that being
legitimate I think at some point, I mean the schemes
that these guys have to do, and the layers upon
layers of this person has to get paid off, and
that person and this person over here skimming, and this
guy that you know is doing this skimming for you, well,
you gotta let him skim a little off the top
because of course, if he's stealing for you, he's got

(28:25):
to take a little for himself, even if you are
paying them well. And blah blah blah blah blah. And
it goes up to this guy and that guy, and
it goes all the way up the chain. And what's
the number one rule? Dannio does you know he's got
the top guy of the outfit, Always make sure he
places bets and lets a guy win. Because he's a
horrible gambler. He's always losing everything. So Danio keeps him
in cash as an insurance payment to keeping his good graces.

(28:45):
So he's got to grease everybody from the bottom all
the way to the top. It's really interesting, almost hard
to follow. I mean, there's so many gangsters in this
that's just almost impossible to follow who's who, who's doing what.
But it's a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, I pretty like the scene where you know you've
kind of follow the money. I mean, it starts off
in the counting room, and it just progresses from there
and you see everybody and the briefcase and going from
Spot A to Spot B and C and D, and
it's really neat like it kind of brings you in.
What about you, Joey, what'd you think of the whole
money skin scenario.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's disgusting, but I feel like most cities there's some
kind of pay to play and it's expected, but this
is just taking it to the next extremes. It's amazing
and disgusting at the same time because it's a form
of lying, taking bribes and looking the other way. And
I don't like dishonesty, so it's very closely related to that.
It's a scum culture.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I mean the way it breaks down, everyone in this
movie is crooked or conniving. It certainly makes you think
about the motivations of all the secondary characters along with
the main characters. What about you, what kind of feelings
did you get coming off of this with the establishment
of the casino and everyone lying and conniving to get
things done.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
You know, I'm not really you know, I'm not in
the mob or anything like that, so I'm not speaking
from experience and stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
But e even with a cousin, it's a Sicilian, it's
just like a real mob guy.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
It seems as though it's gotta be pretty darn close
to the way that it actually works, you know what
I'm saying. And I think it's interesting, especially when I
have conversations with people about things that happen in the
world that just aren't talked about, and because they're not
talked about, say like in the news or in mainstream media,
that it's like people act as if it just doesn't happen.

(30:27):
And I think this is one of those examples of
something that really people don't really talk about, it does happen,
and it's probably something really close to like this, if
it's not just like this. So I think that it's
really really interesting to be able to get that measure
of insight into at least a little bit how the
crime world works and how one person has to scratch

(30:48):
another person's back in order for something to happen. What's
really cool and also super believable is when they talk
about outside of the realm of the mob people doing
the things, or if we're talking about the cheaters and
scammers at the casino, but when you take a look up.
You see them talking about how in order for the

(31:13):
machine to work, the palms of politicians and state officials,
national officials they have to be greased with money, women,
and whatever else that they want or need, and then
that is done with the expectation that the machine will work. Well.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know, it is interesting that you mentioned the politicians
and such, because, you know, watch this movie. I completely
forgot that one of the Smothers brothers was in this
and seeing him playing a politician, I kind of had
a little bit of a chuckle because I'm like, he
does look like your typical nineteen seventies politician in this movie.
I want to say it was ricks Mothers.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Dick Mothers, Yeah, Dixmthers was in there.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Actually, Score says he put a lot of comedians in
here because he liked comedians, but he put him in
very serious rules. Don Rickles is the and it cracks
me up. He doesn't have a lot of lines, but
I just enjoyed seeing Don Rickles in there.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
In fact, I have a question for you guys later
about Don Rickles. But you know, since you brought him
up to him, I'll go ahead and ask you guys, So,
what did you think of Don Rickles playing the casino
manager there. I know, I've always enjoy seeing him in anything,
whether it's a role from the nineteen fifties where he's
playing a US sergeent or if he's something more modern
day before he died. He's such a great comedian, a

(32:27):
great actor who's always quick on his feet. What'd you
guys think of Don Rickles? I'll go to you first, Rick.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
So I'll be honest, I am not too familiar with
this actor. I've maybe seen him maybe once or twice.
I'm kind of pulling up right now to see, like
what other films that maybe he's in that I've seen.
Looks like he was in some toy stories and stuff
like that. I'm not too familiar with his work, so
I really couldn't say I could base it off of something.
But I mean, he seemed like a pretty chill dude

(32:55):
for the most part. Like you said, he didn't have
a lot of lines, and he kind of played like
a yes man, but especially when it came to like before,
he would do stuff. A lot of times he's like
calling up Rostein to be like, hey man, I'm about
to do this is this cool? And it almost seems
that was how Rostein really wanted it to go. There
was a quote where he's talking to the guy he fired.

(33:18):
There's the right way, the wrong way, and there's my way.
I mean it kind of makes sense. But uh yeah,
I really can't say a whole lot about Don Rickles
other than what I saw on screen with this, I'm
trying to look to see what did he even play
in toy Story. I don't even know he was mister
pitt Ahead.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Okay, But if you want to watch something real fun,
just type in Don Rickles at the like Dean Martin
roast or Don Rickles at any roast. It's a riot
to watch him, because I mean, he has a way
of just putting people down but making it funny.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
If you want to see a fun movie with Don Rickles,
go watch Kelly's Heroes. He's got a bunch of big
actors and yeah, it's a great war film and he's
great in it.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah, well, what did you think of his portroll?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Then?

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Tim?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I love seeing him in there. Outside of Kelly's Heroes,
I can't probably name any of the movie that I
really remember him from, but I just remember seeing him
a lot as a kid. He was like Roddy Dangerfield,
Don Rickles, and you know, you had Bob Newhart. These
guys are all just classic comedians. They're funny, They got
the shtick that when you see him, it's them. They
were different than everybody else. He had a way of

(34:22):
presenting his jokes in a very weird, dry manner. But
he had that baby face that just helped sell I
think that's part of it. Just that big goofy smile
with that baby face. It just it helped sell him
in his comedy all the time. And I don't know,
like I said, he didn't have a lot of lines.
It didn't do anything fantastic in this film, But I
just like seeing him and you see that being somebody

(34:45):
that Ace would hire because it kind of, like Rick
pointed out, you know, every time he's going to do something,
he's kind of like, hey, you know, I'm going to
do this, blah blah blah. You know, he's that guy
that you can trust and you know he ain't going
to do anything crazy unless he asks you first. So
he's the perfect right hand man I help you run
a casino.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I mean I think he portrayed the character wonderfully. What
about you, Joey, what were your thoughts on Don rickleson?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
I think it's his second best role to his appearance
in Dirty Work, where he improvised his insults towards Norm
MacDonald and the cocaine guy whose name I can't remember.
So Rickles has spent a lot of time around these types,
because you know, he spent decades performing in clubs, and
he had to spend time around Frank Sinatra, who spent

(35:31):
a lot of time around people who were in the mob.
So I think he had enough inspiration from real people
that he.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Could draw on that he met over the years.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
He compliments de Niro very well. He's not throwing any
kind of wrenches into the works. He's fixing problems, gotcha,
And it's just fun to see him because he's an
adorable old man.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
You've brought back the mobsters, Joey, So let's go ahead
and take a look in at what's going on in
the film now. So back in Chicago, Remo Gag, he
sends Sam's childhood friend and mob enforcer Nicki Tantoro, to
protect Sam, the cash skim and the casino. Nicki Recrus's
younger brother Dominic, and childhood friend Frankie and Marino not
to be confused with Dan Marino and.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
His Isotota gloves. That's how you don't leave any fingerprints
at the scene of the crime.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Together and experienced crews specializing in shakedowns and jewelry burglaries.
Nicki's criminal activities in Las Vegas start to draw too
much media and police attention, so he is eventually listed
in the Black Book, banning him from every casino in Nevada.
Which that's, you know, kind of a short breakdown of
what kind of happens for like a good I would

(36:41):
say fifteen to twenty minutes this movie where we see
Nicky's kind of rise to power in the quote unquote
Las Vegas Underground, and honestly, it kind of creates this
antagonistic quality to him against Sam and it makes me
wonder if Nicki didn't come out, would this movie have
been completely different? And I think he might have had
said the first time where if you didn't have the

(37:03):
Nikki character in this movie to create conflict, we wouldn't
have had a movie. What do you guys think, do
you think we still have an entertaining movie. If Nikki
didn't come out and cause this crime wave, Tim, would
you think.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I think if it wasn't Nicki that came out, it's
gonna be somebody like Niki. Because the reason that the
outfit sent him out there was to represent. One, it's
to keep an eye on Sam, you know, make sure
that the golden goose nothing happens to him, don't let
anybody mess with him. But two, you need to let
them know whose casino this is. And that's what he does.

(37:35):
You see him coming up to guys like, hey see,
you guys are here and there like oh yeah, we
didn't know you were here. Are you here? He's like yeah, yeah,
I mean I'm here now I'm here, And they kind
of look over Sam and look at him and stuff.
He's like, oh so you're here. He's like, yeah, yeah,
I'm here. I'm him here now with him? All right,
well we're looking for such as well, he's not here,
so you should go look over there for him kind
of thing. So that was like that, that's that moth
you speak to say, I know you guys are in

(37:57):
here to start some shit or to be up to
no good, and you don't want to do that because
this is the outfits, cause you know, you can't be
in here, you can't touch nothing here, and you certainly
can't touch him. That was his job. He's there to
break heads and to you know, lay down the law
and to enforce. That's what they sent him out there for. So,
you know, most guys that are doing that role are

(38:19):
very much like NICKI is. They're hot heads. They're kind
of like his inner narration says, He's like, you know, oh,
I'm not really supposed to do that, but fuck them.
Who are they to tell me I can't do shit.
If I want to put down my flag, I'm gonna
put my fucking flag down. And that's what's gonna happen.
That's how those guys are. That just how they think.
So I think it wouldn't have mattered if somebody else
would have showed up, because a lot of those other

(38:40):
mafia guys that we see in the film, sure they're tough,
but they're tough in groups like there are a bunch
of you know a lot of them are fat guys,
fat old dudes. Like it takes two or three of
them to enforce anything. You know, like two guys the
old one to beat him with a bat, where Nicky
again taking out guys with just a ballpoint pen by himself, right,
So he's a force onto himself. Everybody understands it's who

(39:00):
he is and what he does, and then they don't
want no part of that. So that's why he gets
away with what he does. I agree with Joey. Had
Nicky not been there and nobody else showed it up
like that, yeah, this movie would have just went on
for indefinitely. But I think there always would have been
somebody like that that would have shown up, because you've
got to have that enforce your type. But every one
of those guys is a loose canon. You just don't
know whether it's going to be because they're trying to

(39:21):
establish themselves, because they're an alcoholic, because they're a drug fiend,
because they got a bad gambling problem. Something always contributes
to their delinquency, that causes problems and chaos and always
brings down the system. And that's that's what it is.
And to somebody like Sam, it's like, ah, man, if
you would just play by the rules, like dude, we're
making all kinds of money here. I just want to

(39:43):
keep everything legit as far as legit can be, right,
because you knows it's not legit all over all the business,
but for all intentsive purposes, it's legit. Everything looks on
the up and up, and everybody's getting paid. Don't fuck
that up. And then Nicky's just like, I'll do whatever
the fuck I want. Who are you to tell me
that I can't do this? Who are they to tell
me they're not here?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
I am?

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Fuck them right?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
And I think Patti did a great job portraying that,
showing us that Nicki is a character that would be
somebody that you don't want to mess with, and he's
there to make his own money on top of everything.
It is kind of neat how we get his narration
where he's like, well, I can do whatever I want
as long as I give a little bit back to
the Bambinos back in Chicago. What about you, Rick, what'd

(40:25):
you think of this whole situation where Nicky kind of
comes in and plants his flag.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's exactly what is quoted
in the movie, And I totally get what Tim is saying.
That makes a lot of sense with regard to how
this character is really kind of adding to that conflict
of the story. And without this angle, having this muscle,
I think that it would be a little bit more

(40:51):
of a lackluster story. And the story gives us a
lot of foreshadowing. There's a lot of story elements here
in the foreshadowing. You could see it, especially like it
opens up pretty explosive, you know what I mean. But
you get to see that there's foreshadowing along the way
where each of the main characters have their own goal.

(41:11):
We haven't talked about Sharon Stone's character, but she has
her own goal and motivations too, and early on you
see that no one's goals align. Everyone wants something and
it's similar. Matter of fact, it's in a base sense
it is the same, but the way they go about
achieving their goals is drastically different, and they do not align.

(41:35):
It's almost like those scary movies when you know that
the killer is right behind your main characters but they
don't know it, and you get this thrill that you're
on the edge of your seat because you know it's coming,
but there's nothing that your characters, your main characters could
really do about it. It's gonna happen to them, and
you see it. The further and further along in the

(41:57):
film we get, the more and more you see these
main characters get to this impasse that not all of
them are gonna be able to reach their goals. You know,
that's not in the cards for them, so to speak,
No pun intended. So it adds to the conflict and
it's really good. I guess what Tim said is true.
Somebody else would have done it. But I mean if
you just say, like, hey, this is just a movie

(42:20):
about casinos and this love interest probably watching pretty women.
If that's the case.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It's another thing to point out that you had mentioned
about the tension between Nicki and Sam. How it's there,
and I think it's more because they were friends back home. Yeah,
and I think that kind of adds a little extra
elements to everything. What about you, Joey, we're your final
thoughts on Nicky's flag planting.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I can't like his character because he just has to
go and fuck everything up by being you know, crooked.
On top of crooked, he's got this character flaw. He
can't fucking relax. His character has to keep pushing things.
You know, I want to you know, cheat, you know,
our own casino out of fucking money. He has no
respect for Robert de Niro, and Robert de Niro is

(43:06):
constantly trying to warn him that he's got eyes on
him and he's gonna fuck everything up, and yet he
just continues to fuck everything up, you know, piece by piece.
So for every every positive thing he does that Robert
de Niro's character is appreciative of, there's four other things
that he's fucking up and he only knows about two
of them. Nicki thinks he knows about none of them sometimes,

(43:28):
and it's just I can't stand his character.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
You know what, though, something that I could mention from
Rothstein's viewpoint that Nicky is kind of fucking shit up.
But the same is true if you take a look
at Nicky's viewpoint of how Rothstein is handling everything, because
without Nicki, there were people who were going to scam
Rothstein out of money and he would have lost the money.
And Nicki is like a mob guy, and everyone's got

(43:53):
to get their cut. So really everyone's getting greedy and
everyone has their own way of doing it. And you
get a little bit more of Rostein's characters' perceptions. But
every once in a while, when they actually have an
all out argument. Nicky puts out his two cents, and
if you really consider it, he actually has a few

(44:13):
very good points that like, hey, if he wasn't able
to plant the flag, then Rostein wouldn't be able to
have what he has. There wouldn't be that of respect
to be able to do the things that he'd be
able to do to make the money that he's been
able to make. So everyone has their own way of
doing it, and I wouldn't necessarily buy in one hundred
percent with the perceptions that Rothstein gives us.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
The movie is taken from his point of view with
sprinkling of Nicky's throughout, so I think that it definitely
gives us a more positive viewpoint to Sam, it would
be interesting to see the reverse of this movie to
see everything from Nicky's point of view with Sam sprinkled throughout.
When Nicki does come out, though, Sam produces into this
woman that he meets and falls in love with, a

(44:56):
beautiful con artist, showgirl and former prostitute Ginger, and Sam
proposes to her in the most I would almost say.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Bookish kind of way.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
There's no romance there, but he's smart about it. He
gets so that they have a daughter first named Amy,
and then they get married. And I think that this
character played by Sharon Stone is probably just as conniving
and crazy as we see with NICKI. What did you
guys think of Ginger? And I'll go to you first
tim The.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Ginger character is awesome. Although it makes no sense for
Sam to fall in love with this woman because our
first introduction is her on a date. She's on the
casino floor. She's been gambling all night along with this dude.
He wins a bunch of money and she's like, Okay,
I want my cut and he's like, what are you
talking about. She's like, I've been here gambling with you
all night and I want my cut. He's like, you

(45:44):
don't get a cut, like you just here with me.
I like to win this cash and so she loses it.
She throws those chips all up in the air and crap.
To me, it seems like that's a thing. You know,
Sam's character like, get her the hell out of here.
He just, for whatever reason, becomes completely enamored with this woman,
and much like her date that evening, he's gonna end
up regretting it. Just the whole relationship's weird and volatile

(46:06):
from the get go. But as far as Sharon Stone
playing the character, though, dude, she nails it. I mean,
oh my god, she just gets further and further into
that character, and I mean, wow, again, we've seen glimpses
of this in total recall. The director there said, you know,
that's what I loved about her is that she's able
to go from charming to complete bitch or teary eye

(46:26):
crazy woman at the flip of switch. And she does
that in here a lot too. And she's got to
be a big character actor. I put it right up
there with like Tom Hanks and some most people who
just get into the role. Because as this progresses, I dude,
she's that character. She becomes this ginger character. So I
gotta give her props. There's a lot of great actors
in this, but to me, she steals the show. Her

(46:47):
character is just on fire the whole time. It's just fire.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I mean, there is a reason why she was nominated
for Best Female Actress in this role. It is a
really great performance. What about you, Julie, what do you
think of Sharon Stone's role in this movie?

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Not gonna like my answer. I don't like her either.
I had a feeling that, you know, the movie's a
lot about theft and deception, and I don't have respect
for those people. It's like, I have more respect for
a fucking meth cook because you know, it's gross meth
and they're cooking it and they're providing a service.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, they're giving you a product.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah, it's like you're buying this meth right, it's fucking trash.
It's gonna ruin you. It's going to destroy your body,
you know that, And I'm giving it to you, and
no one's lying to you and saying meth's good for you.
I have more respect for them because at least they're
going out and they're making something. These people are just take, take, take,

(47:44):
They're fucking takers, and they'll lie to your face about
it and it's disgusting. Yeah, I don't like them.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
But her portrayal, though, makes you feel that.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
It does, so she succeeds it making me not like her.
But you got to think about it at the end
of the day. Even though well de Niro's character, other
than the skims that they know they have to pay
this back because the casino was built with mob money.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Well, I shouldn't say mob money.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
It was built with Teamster's money, but they owned the unions,
so they're gonna get their kickbacks in perpetuity. And other
than that, he's really playing by the books. He's talking
to one of my favorite character actor slash horror movie hosts,
Joe Bob Briggs, and telling them it's like, look, these
are our biggest machines. You gotta move him to the front.
I shouldn't have to fucking tell you this. You're the

(48:30):
slots manager. Do your fucking job. He's working eighteen hours
a day. He's a workaholic. He's putting in the work,
but at the end of the day, he's also a
fucking thief and he knows it because he knows the
house always wins. Now how he could be taken by
someone who he knows a known thief like that woman,

(48:51):
I don't know. I don't understand it. Maybe he had
some kind of admiration for how slick she was gotcha. Okay,
I do have a question about Joe Bob Briggs. We'll
get to that in a couple of minutes. I do
want to wrap up one thing with Ginger, and I
think this kind of takes it to the main reason
Ginger and Nikki are chaos incarnate, whereas Sam is all

(49:12):
about order and keeping everything on an even keel. And
I think that's what really enamors him to Ginger is
because she is opposite of him, you know, like opposite
the track kind of thing, and that's what gets him
into falling in love with her.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
That's at least my theory.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
No, that's a good point, man. I Mean, there's a
number of things here that I've got to say. First off,
he's a rich dude at this point, so he's looking
for just like a lot of people who got a
lot of money, they're looking for a trophy wife. The
problem is for us, it's easy to see because I
mean we're not in his shoes in real life. We're

(49:49):
watching through the screen, so we can see this is
a problem immediately. I mean, she is for the streets,
you know. I mean, there's other words to call it.
I'm not gonna call it, but she is so for
the streets. And there's a saying about that you can't
make a blank a housewife, and it comes full circle
to that by the end, and he even uses the

(50:09):
words just not all in that order. And there's lessons here.
I think there are real big lessons here for anyone
who's not married and thinking about pulling the trigger with
a girlfriend or something like that. Money can't buy love.
She's got this dude in tow Lester Diamond, who's this
for her, her chad. She's clearly an alpha widow, all right.

(50:33):
She's like head over heels for this dude. Would pretty
much probably kill for this dude. And you can't marry
someone like that. That is just absolutely bonkers. The number
one thing is money, and he gives it to her
thinking that it's gonna be enough. The thing is is
that you quickly see that just wasn't enough. She just
wanted more and more, just like every other character, every

(50:54):
other character, our main characters to just want more and
more and more money, no matter who we're talking about about,
every single one of them, they just want more. And
the last lesson here love is blind. I think it
was really clear that our main protagonist was head over
heels for Ginger, but he can't see that as he's
blind to you know all that we saw it. It

(51:16):
was foreshadowed, we knew it was coming, and it wasn't
until after the fact that he was like, oh, Yeah,
this isn't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, because I think the biggest mistake is giving her
not only her quote allowance, but you know, he entrusts
Ginger with two million dollars in cash and a million
dollars in jewelry. He puts a safe deposit box in
her name with all this cash and stuff in it,
and it's like, okay, so this is kind of your
insurance policy cause something goes south and you're entrusting this

(51:44):
woman with it. I think that was like the biggest mistake.
And I've seen that with people in my life growing up.
You see some guy go crazy for a girl and
you know she's not at all interested in him as
much as his pocketbook.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Yeah, gold diggers they call it.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
So definitely portrays this aspect of Ginger really well. And
this marriage of theirs is so tumultuous, especially since she
still has this relationship with the Lester Diamond character played
by James Wood and I don't see what she could
see in the sky. Luster is definitely skeevie. I think
he's the skeeviest person in this movie.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
I was gonna say I thought that the portrayal was
really good. It kind of showed some versatility for James Wood.
It was cool because I've seen James Wood and other things,
namably vampires, and he plays this very very like brash
and confident vampire hunter and stuff, which is extremely different

(52:41):
from this low life you see in Lester Diamond. So
I thought it was really cool. I thought that he
did a really good job. Way that he did his
lines for this character I thought was spot on. He
just seems like this loser, just absolute loser, you know
what I mean. I thought it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Man, he almost don't he realized that it's James Wood.
You look at that James Wood, You're like, oh, holy shit,
it is. And I think, to make it any more
interesting for you, Rick that almost all his dialogue improvised. Wow,
he was not giving a who lot of direction that
he just improvised. All that shit like the phone calls
and stuff, all improvised.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
You know when de Niro has him beat up in
the parking lot and you see them like walking away,
I think he makes a comment like running away.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
You couldn't even beat me up yourself.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
He just doesn't know when to quit. Yeah, you should
be go out in the desert. In one of those holes.
You know, I don't know how he doesn't end.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Up in one. That's because Rostein was the one taking
care of that business. If it was Nicky, he would
have been you.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Know, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's weird because Rosstein he
ain't got enough moxie to go up against mafia. You know,
somebody Connectic shows up, but he ain't got no problem
smashing the hand of a guy who tries to steal
from him at the casino. It's really weird where he
places his anger and selected violent. I don't know, like

(54:03):
Nikki usually has to do most of it, but every
once in a while he'll still tool somebody up. But
I think he only tools those up that he feels
safe enough to do. And maybe he felt like if
he tooled up on Diamond then she would never forgive him.
But I don't know if that would have been much
different than having his boys do it or whatever. But yeah,
it's really weird. But his character is off the hook.
Woods was excited to be in this too. He found

(54:26):
out that Scorsese was considering and he called him up.
He's like anytime any place, any character, any pay scale.
He didn't care I'll do anything you want. You just
put me in the film, but I swear to God,
I'll do anything you want. So he was into doing
this film. He was very excited. But I think Matt
to answer some of your questions on that character too,
when you're like, I don't know what she sees in him, dude.

(54:46):
This is one of those scenarios where the girl meets
this guy early in her life. He becomes the love
of her life, even though he's a scumback, and she
can just never get him out of the system. Like,
you know, how many people do we go to school
with or know in our lives end up with guys
like this, You know what I mean here, just complete scumbags.
Don't treat them well. They end up living shitty lives

(55:07):
and they're on again, off again, breakup, get divorced, remarry,
all kinds of stuff. I think Scorsese really capture that
in this, Like there's no rhyme or reason as to
why she keeps going back, because it's obvious he uses her.
He really only wants her for the money and stuff
he can get from her. That's what she is. She's
a producer for him. He's a little life scumbag that

(55:27):
doesn't work, and when he needs his drugs or his
alcohol or apparently suits and a nice watch, whatever it is,
she's going to get these women to do things for him.
And then when he doesn't, the enemies, doesn't this money
to you know, screw other hookers and whatever else. But
for whatever reason, she just can't let this guy go
because it's the love of her life, probably her first love,
and he knows that, so he plays on that emotional

(55:50):
bond and she just can't get him out of the system.
He's like a drug ter. No matter what, She's always
going to crave him.

Speaker 6 (55:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Good point, especially since the whole drug reference, because I
mean this movie is littered with it.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Especially in front of that kid man like Joey talking
about the bad things that's going on. That was probably
the worst thing. I was like, what the you know what, man? Yeah,
I couldn't believe that man.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
And she even has the goal to say, don't do this, baby.
I'm like, don't do that in front of your kid.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Don't do that.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Period.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, she does some messed up things to that kid. Shit,
I'm just like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Yeah, man, time it kid up? What the hell?

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I'm Sam Rossi, and I'm like, again, Pauldands Desert. We're
taking care of this problem right now, because this is
not There's only one way to fix this at this point,
and it's not through a divorce court or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Yeah, well, how about you, Joey.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Any thoughts on James Wood's character.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I don't think James Woods has played a character closer
to his real personality other than this film. I think
he's a scumbag in real life, and I think he's
a slimy scumbag in.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
This movie and he nails it.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Wow, Joey, is there anybody that you like in this movie?

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Oly Bro?

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I thought I owned this movie on four K because
I've passed it up on many sales. I dug through
all my fucking movies thinking I own the four K
of this. I never fucking bought it. I have a
discount Blu ray that I own.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
I've never even.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Opened it, and I forgot why because like I was like, oh,
that's a pretty good movie. No, it's because I fucking
hate these discussing people, and that's why I didn't buy it.
I'm liking the Politician more than anybody so far.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
You mean this mother's brother.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Dude, was it this mother's brother?

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:33):
My god, I could have swore it with him. I
was like, there's no fucking way he's playing you know,
some politician that's having sex with prostitutes.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
And no, it was him.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So if anybody out there wants to send your four
K copy of Casino to Joey, let us know at
Man Reviews Podcast at gmail, and we'll give the address
where you can mail it to Joey for his enjoyment.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
What is the name of the comedian who's playing the
red tie politician who is in charge of the club
that De Niro receives an honor? Oh, Kevin Pollack, Thank you,
usual suspects. Yeah, so far.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
I like him the best, Okay, because.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
He's a dumb shit doesn't know what's going on. I
would say I love Joe Bob Briggs's character the best,
but he's a fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Well, that was the thing I was gonna bring up,
is we get to see a young Joe Bob Briggs.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Here, youngish. Yeah, he's in his late thirties at least.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, but he hasn't had all that plastic surgery that
he has like right now or he hasn't gained all
that base fat.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
I don't think he's had any plastic surgery. He just
has fake die in this area. Yeah, he got old Matt.
It's not his fault.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
But does the movie Casino put his name on the map?
I mean because of this movie?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Do you know Joe Bob Briggs or do you only
know Joe Bob from his hosting duties.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
No, you're like, Oh, that's the guy from fucking Monster Vision,
and it's just like a funn Easter egg. It makes
you happy, kind of like where I saw the Smothers
brother I was like, that guy looks like one of
the fucking Smothers brothers. But it was that blows my
mind because like, you just confirmed what my brain thought
I saw. I told him myself.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
NA, Well, you know, poor Joe Bob Sam fires him
as the Slought manager for his incompetence. This is what
I think is the point where everything's starting to culminate.
It's all starting to affect how he views the casino,
and I think he's starting to make mistakes. I think
his biggest mistake here is he fires Don Ward aka
Joe Bob Briggs, even though he knows that Ward's brother

(59:22):
in law is the Clark County Commissioner chairman, who's in
charge of making sure that the casino has its license.
He can shut down the entire operation. He can get
Sam fired, and we see that confrontation. Pat Webb shows
up Clark County Commissioner and he tries to convince Sam
to rehire him, and that, of course, is where we
see the turn. Sam is now in that mindset that

(59:44):
he runs the casino, and I think that's where the
domino effect starts to take place. Am I wrong in
that thought?

Speaker 5 (59:50):
What do you think, Joe?

Speaker 4 (59:51):
He's a victim of micromanagement. I mean, I want the
same amount of blueberries in every fucking muffin. He has
a point, He's not wrong, right, right, He's correct. Everybody's
trying to rob him blind and stuff like that. But
he's working himself into an early grave essentially because he
has to control everything. And that's kind of a character
flaw of his. And maybe he's so wrapped up in

(01:00:14):
the minutia of the casino that he's overlooking all these
other big fuck up areas of his life. So I
don't know. It's not a perfect movie. He's not a
perfect guy and those fucking blueberries.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Well, that there's a solution is he probably should have
just hired Don back to put the blueberries.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
In the muffin. That's exactly right, problem solved because.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
He could be like, I can handle this, I can
put the blueberries in the muffins. Come happen. Now I'm
a blueberry boy, and then he wouldn't have had all
this trouble. But no, he had to be right and
say I don't want that guy to my fucking casino.
And he couldn't have given him some other piss ant
job that he couldn't possibly fuck up. He should have
idiot proved the guy's job and you know, had him

(01:00:55):
be mister Blueberry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
See, that's the part I didn't understand is have that conversation.
Can't you find some way just letting them back in?
Like he didn't say he had to have that exact
same job. I mean, dude, I'd be like, well, you know,
we probably can do that. If he's willing to scrub toilets,
it's pretty hard to fuck up shit.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Yeah, but he just he was so rigid. He could have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Put him in charge of the people scrubbing toilets, and
he could have scheduled their toilet shifts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, he became so rigid because I think at that point,
the power is going to his head, and I think
as the world around him is spinning out of control,
he's trying to clamp down harder to keep everything in check.
He's trying to control the things that he can't have
some sibilance of normality in his life. While his wife

(01:01:44):
is spinning out of control, his best friend is spinning
out of control. Things are starting to go poorly with
the outfit. That's the only explanation I can have is
that he's just like I gotta try to clamp down
and get control before this thing just completely falls off
the tracks.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
What about you, Rick, Any thoughts on the change in
the story here?

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
Yeah, what's interesting is that you had mentioned that you
thought that this was kind of like the turning point.
So did I. When I was taking my notes, I
actually made this a whole new section and I titled
it the end of the gaming license, because when he
decided to take that person off his payroll, I mean
that is the graft needed to get his license was

(01:02:27):
to keep this dude on the payroll. The dude was
cool about it too. The dude came in, he was respectful.
He was like, yeah, I know my brother in law
is a dipshit, but can you please put him on
the payroll? And I think everything that everyone said is
completely true. Plus I do think that he legitimately was
worried that this person had a potential to actually be

(01:02:50):
making attempts to actually take money from Rostein. I think
it more likely he was just too dumb to notice
that people were really having a go. But I think
he was legitimately worried that maybe this guy was kind
of in on it too, and that's probably the reason
why he was like, no, under no capacity, could we

(01:03:10):
actually let him back in? And I agree also with
Tim though there's just too many things here going on.
He's getting too big of a head. He thinks that
he's running the place. It's like the closer our main
characters get toward their goal, the farther away they actually are.
Because they're trying to get more and more and more
and more money. But because they're getting more money, they're

(01:03:32):
getting more greedy. And because they're getting more greedy, they
make worse choices that push them further and further away
from attaining their goal.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I agree with you totally.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
And you know, at gets point where once Sam loses
his ability to get a gaming license, it basically jeopardizes
his position, and so he has to think of a
new spot, and he comes up with hosting a local
television talk show right there inside the casino, and it
irritates Nikki and the Boss's back home. It brings further
more unneeded attention, and it just brings it up to

(01:04:06):
eleven with just the pure craziness of what's going on
in his life. And I just thought it was hilarious
that here we have this straight laced kind of guy
doing a Tonight's show right there on the casino floor.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
Here's Johnny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
What did you guys think of de Niro's craziness here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I think it's just want for revenge. He's like, well,
if these bastards won't tell the truth and they won't
give me a fair hearing, then I'm gonna put myself
in a public form that they can't shut me down
on and I'm just gonna riff on him. Even though, again,
as Rick said, if he'd just played ball, it would
have never happened. He brought it on himself, but he
can't see that anymore. And the bosses back home are like, look,

(01:04:47):
Sam's got to get the hell off the TV. Just
give himself a new title like Food Beverage Commissioner or something.
He can still run the place. He's just gonna have
to be more quiet about it. But he's just getting
more obnoxious, sticky in their face that he's still doing
this stuff, and it just perpetuates this whole downward spiral
that he's in. And this is where the gangster that

(01:05:08):
he was portraying said he was happy. Frank basically said, look,
I did the TV show, but I never juggled. It
makes me look like an asshole when you juggle. But again,
that's what that guy did. He literally created that show.
And if I remember right, I think I read somewhere
Donmerc was like, I was actually on that guy's show.
It's kind of interesting that I was playing in the
movie about this gangster on the show that he was

(01:05:30):
actually in back in the eighties. So it's kind of
funny in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
To way to come full circle. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I
think we said it quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
It's his slow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Slip into losing his position.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Yeah, he's just making bad choice. Man. I think if
that happened more earlier in the movie, he probably would
have just been like, let the guy get hired back on. Actually,
but I mean he's just making one bad choice after
another at this point, and him going on to some
TV show is terrible. Yeah, man, just terrible idea.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
I agree with you totally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
It makes the Midwest boss angry, and they of course
discover that people have also been skimming. That's where things
take another step in the downfall to the casino. They
decide to put an incompetent person, the underboss, Aardy Pisano,
in control of bringing the bags and making sure that
the skim doesn't get stolen. And did you guys happen
to notice the cameo here from another Scorsese family member.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, it was his mother. Yeah, she's a little lady
that's in the uh. I guess it's a market that
they're in, more or less market, grocery store.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I think she shows up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
It was like seven or nine of his films, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I know, she plays a similar role in Goodfellas,
but again, I kind of get good Fellows in this
movie interchanged every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Were you waiting for the how to make you laugh
like a clown?

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Wine?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Where's it? Had this? I know that's in this film? Like,
oh oh that's good fellaws. I'm such a dumb ass.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Yeah yeah, am I funny? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
But you know again, it's another down because, like you said,
Alreadie's keeping records and he's talking like crazy about the
whole situation, and basically it allows the FBI to do
a full fledged investigation to the Tangiers casino and that's
where things really heat up on the bosses and we
start seeing the downfall of the Tangiers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
The guy pretty much does connect the dots. He just
plays off the whole roadmap for him. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah yeah, And it's like, why didn't he get knocked
off first?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I don't think they knew it was him necessarily, Basically
they're listening in, they got all that information, they did
all their investigations and those people, and then they started
hitting them all one time. So I don't think that
they knew it was him that was shooting off his
mouth because the only reason they knew that is because
they had put that microphone into that little grocery store there. Yeah,
they thought he was involved in some kind of hit

(01:07:49):
and some guy from years before.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Right, yeah, yeah, it was something totally different. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And he's just spouting off shit left, right and center,
and he just gives him the whole playbook.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
He was singing luck a good news.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah yeah, yes. And like I said, they're just basical
names that there's everybody in their brother on this list,
So let's go investigate them on. I think I'll hit
them all at one time.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
Yeah. And to add insult to injury, this top mass
was putting it all in books. Man. Yeah, that's like
criminal fucking one O one. Never fucking write everything down, dude,
Not that I have any experience in this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
No, no, not would do anything like that. And if
you're gonna do it, at least write that ship in code,
you dumb ass.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
You know, but great, make.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Somebody sigh for that ship out. But I remember at
one point he says he's gonna start keeping track all
that stuff to one of the bosses like, well, well,
well no, we don't do that, Like what do you do? No, No,
you don't write nothing down, you dumb ship.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
So you're not gonna file taxes on that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Was exactly why taxes on that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I like, no, you don't write that ship down because
I'm sending you out the Vegas some my dime. You know.
So did you go out and have two week vacation
fund in the son enjoy yourself? And the guy's like, no,
I'm doing it on my dying Again. It gets back
to what Rick says. It's just the greed. There's never enough.
There's never enough money for these guys. This guy's only
job is to fly out to Vegas, hang out for

(01:09:08):
a week, get the money, and come back and hand
it off.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
That's his job.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I wish somebody pay me a gross amount of money
to do that every time. You know, I'd be like
tappy as a clam. Not that I want to do
mafia runs, but it's something similar. I'm saying. You know,
if I got a mule something, I can make big money.
That's one of the easiest things to do, especially.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
Back then, Tim, Are you sure about that? It kind
of looks like you're wearing a Kansas City Chiefs shirt
on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Come on, you know who this is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Come on, I'll play it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Ladies and gentlemen. Tim is wearing the Greatest American Hero shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Believe it or not, George isn't home now, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Well, you know, guy's investigating everybody, and that you got
eyes on everyone. And I just think that this is
funny that we see these two chaots characters coming together
at one of Nicky's construction trailer.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
That's when we find out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
What's going on between Ginger and Nikki and how they're
having relations together.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
They're getting to know each other on a much more
intimate level.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, and I mentioned it earlier in the episode, but
the guy's back home asked Frankie, is Ginger screwing Nicki?
And then we get that alternate inside look at another
character's line, and I just I thought that was really
neat just the way that they were able to utilize that.
As I mentioned before, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Like the guys just kind of like, well, I can
answer truthfully and that could get me killed, or I
could lie and that could get me killed.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
It's just like what a job to have where there's
no right answer. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Well, now, when I ask you guys, and I'll go
to you first, Rick, what do you think of Nikki here.
Do you think he's an upstanding friend because when Ginger
asks him to kill Sam, he doesn't. But yet he's
still banging his wife, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
I think he did pretty good because she was laying
the moves on him. I mean, he pushed her away
numerous occasions. It really was until that moment in the
construction site trailer. That's when he kind of had a
breach and willpower. And I think a little bit has
to deal with the fact that him and Sam had

(01:11:13):
a falling out at that point because they were upset
with each other's method of acquiring money and power, and
the cards fell into place, so to speak. And she
had been trying, and I think she tried really hard
this time because she was really looking for a payout. Right.
I wouldn't call him a good friend, but hey, man,

(01:11:33):
at least he was good enough to be like, no,
I'm not gonna kill my homie over some broad At
least he was able to do that. And the thing is,
it's much easier to make the right choices when conditions
make it easy. True colors show when it's hard to
make the right choice and you make the right choice.

(01:11:56):
That's really when it matters is when it's hard to
make the right choice, not when it's easy to gotcha.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
What about you, Joey, what do you think rose before hose?

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Yes, especially hose, because let's think about that phrase now,
it's bros before hose. It doesn't say bros Before women.
It doesn't say bros before your wife. It says bros
before hose. So if there's a hoe, stand up for
your bro to the street. You gotta treat him like

(01:12:28):
you see him. You don't put a ring on that.
It's gonna come back and bite you in the ass.
I mean, look at the James Wood character. He clearly
got to her when she was young, he was older.
He has this control over her, this influence. He's a
pimp and that's why she's never gonna be over him.
And then when he went, you know, and had his
guys beat him up, that was it for her. She

(01:12:49):
turned on him that day. Yeah, first of all, he
should have never been with her at Second, my big
question is this, James Woods did exactly what he said
and he took the money. Notice he walked out of
the restaurant without the money. If you'd have taken the
fucking money, do you think that would have been the
end of it and he literally left town and never
saw him again.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
I think it would have no way, no way. He
would have blew it figuratively and literally.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I agree with Rick.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
I think he would have blown it, and then he
knows that he's got a cash cow and go back
and try to get more money out of her.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Yeah, fucking up the second. So if you didn't get
his best beat that day, he would have got his
ass beat on another day.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
Yeah, man, Because at the end of the movie, when
she got that horrid of cash, she went through it,
and I think they said something like a week or
month or something like crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I think it was a month or two at most.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
Yeah, it's like, dang man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Three million dollars. Man, that's a lot of freaking drugs.
Because she had that what million dollars with the jewelry,
two million dollars with the cash.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Yeah, yeah, should it should have lasted the rest of
her life, which I mean she was a smoker too,
so I mean that wouldn't have been that long.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
It should have been a lot longer than it was.
I mean, it's a substance abuse thing, too, so you
get to watch that arc of substance abuse, it looks
like she cleaned up her act for a while, and
then you know she's stealing his pain pills for his
fucking ulcer that he has because he stretches himself out.
He's just drinking fucking MAILOCKX right out of the bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I think basically what you're seeing here is that she
just goes to the only tool she has in the toolbox,
and that's sex and seduction. When I can't get my
way by being cute, then I'm gonna use sex as
the tool to get what I want. And that's what
she does to Nicky, and he dries or resists, but
at some point he's like, look, yeah, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna nail her. And it's wrong. We're totally right.

(01:14:32):
I mean, he shouldn't have done it, but he did.
But the caveat to that is when she's like, I
just want you to kill him, He's like, what the fuck? Like,
you know, just because you're screwing me. You know, I'm
not killing my friend for you. This is just convenient
for me. If you think you're gonna get me to
kill somebody because you're giving me a little nookie that
ain't happening. That's not even realistic. You're gonna go, You're

(01:14:52):
gonna do what he wants. You're gonna shut your mouth.
And if we have a little side action, that's fine.
If we don't, that's fine too. But it's like, I'm
not killing anybody for you ate that special in my life.
It shows that he doesn't have any respect for her,
and then he still has respect in some weird twisted
way for his friend. Bottom line, as we all know,
he should not have done that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, it definitely shows that she's
gone because she's ready to leave, and eventually roth Seine
sees it. He doesn't want her around anymore, so he
just basically kicks her to the curb. Around that same time,
all the bosses have been arrested in Chicago, and then
that's when they're like, well, we need to put a
hit out on everybody, and they have a little conversation
in the back room of the courthouse, which I thought

(01:15:35):
was kind of neat because you see all these old
guys just kind of sitting around this table talking about
different people in the organization. And that's when the hits
go out and that's when we come full circle back
around to the beginning of the movie with the bomb
going off in de Niro's car, and of course it
was a failed attempt, and he pretty much knows that
it wasn't mob bosses who did the hit, because they

(01:15:57):
would have done it successfully. This was done by an amateur,
so he's pretty sure it was Nicky. What did you
think of the explanation of the bomb exploding in the car?
And I'll go to you first, Rick.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
I don't even know that much about cars. I mean,
I just took it at face value. I was like,
he's saying that there's a plate underneath the driver seats.
I was like, I guess I have no idea. The
way that he said it, it sounds like it made sense.
And that's how he was able to escape with pretty
much almost no injuries and stuff. As far as who

(01:16:29):
did it, I don't know if I would necessarily believe
that Nicky would have done it on his own. To me,
I don't know. It would seem like maybe there was
something I could maybe see Leicester trying to put that together.
I definitely could see Ginger trying to orchestrate this. Other
than that, Nicky already was like, no, man, I ain't

(01:16:51):
doing that, you know what I mean? So maybe it
was him. I doubt it, though I couldn't say, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
What about you, Tim, Who do you think try to
bomb Sam?

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I think it's NICKI I mean for sure. I mean
because by this point, he's coked out of his mind.
Him and his crew are twenty four to seven, full
on eighties coke fiends, and he's mad at him because
he went behind his back talked to the bosses about him.
And he's already pretty pissed because when they go out
for that desert meeting, he's like, you know, every time
I went out to meet him in the desert, I
felt like I had a nine to nine out of

(01:17:22):
one hundred chance come back, and that one time, He's like,
I felt like it was a fifty to fifty at best,
you know. So, like their relationship is broken down, and
I think it's been so out of control and things
are going so poorly that Nicky's like, I just gotta
get this guy out of the equation. Like he's causing
too many problems, he can't get things under control, and
he's gonna be the death of us. All between not
listening to the bosses back home, about staying off the

(01:17:44):
TV and making a public expectave of himself. And he
can't control this woman. And now he knows that, you know,
I'm having sex with her because somebody's showing him pictures.
And yeah, I'm positive with him. Again, I'm not a
mob expert, but I know that you can't just kill
anybody you want when you're in the mob. I mean,
unless they're an absolute nobody. You can't kill another made

(01:18:05):
man without having some kind of permission when you are protected.
You're not necessarily made man, but you're somebody special like
him who's making money. You don't just go kill the
goose who's laying the golden egg all the time. And again,
the thing that saves Sam from the end carnage is
that he had been paying off Remo with the main

(01:18:25):
boss the whole time. He's been giving him cash. It's
kind of an insurance policy. And I think that in
the end is what saves him. Yeah, because of like,
now leave him alone. You know, even Sam says that
he's just suffected Dicky. One other thing I noticed about
the explosion is when we first see it, it looks
very exciting, but then the second time we see it,
it's kind of anti climactic.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Yeah, it's kind of like when the Joker hits the
button in the dark night and there's a little explosion.
Then he's like, woll what the fuck is this?

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Yeah, as unimpressive as the explosion was, my guess is
if the car had saved him, I don't think he
would have died right there. I think you would have died.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
In the hospital from the burn, right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
And it was a weird explosion too, because it's like
it started in the arrogant and they just became like
this fireball and then they were able to get him
out and then it like kind of blew up.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
It was a weird explosion. It was very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
It was almost like at the beginning of the movie, Hey,
they faked this out, and b you're looking at an
alternate reality.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Where that was it for him.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Yeah, he's blown through the sky and you're right, it's
a James Bond intro, But we don't get a James
Bond ending. We get kind of like, here's the reality
of the situation for our characters and for Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
It's after that explosion the bosses had ordered Nikki and
Dominic killed in nineteen eighty six. They're ambushed by their
own crew and brutally beaten bats and buried alive in
a shallow grave and a remote Illinois cornfield.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
I will never look at cornfields the same way again.
It's got to be a great place to put.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
A body, yeah, say, And I like how they actually
found a good cornfield to use, unlike another movie that
we saw at the beginning of our journey through the
thousand and one movies with Alfred Hitchcock and the North
By Northwest. I mean the fact that this actually looks
like an Illinois cornfield.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
I thought that was fantastic, tim What would you think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
That ending is intense? Oh my god. Normally we see
something like this and somebody gets hit once or twice
with a baseball bat. It's all a sudden done. This
even outpaces the whole Legancyne. I think the Walking Dead.
I mean, man, they tool up in these guys for
a long time. These guys are winded. I mean they're
just winted with their dead and then they're just bloody pulp.

(01:20:39):
I mean, it's exactly what you think it would look
like when it's over. And this is how it really happened.
This is how the s plural brothers went out, Except
it didn't actually happen in a cornfield. It happened in
a house in Bensonville in Chicago. Oh wow, this legitimately
happened in Chicago. And then they dumped them in a
cornfield in Indiana. Just I can't think of a word.

(01:21:00):
Way to go out?

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
Oh yeah, do we know what.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
They used for the sand coming out of his mouth
for his last breath?

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
I think that was actually amatronic that they had in there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
The Hall of Presidents, sitting in the dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Apparently.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
That's probably the worst part is that they were buried alive. Man,
that's like, oh god, Manah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Well, Nicky was buried alive. I'm sure his brother was dead.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
No, no, you saw him actually take a breath well
underneath the dirt too.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Though I didn't notice. I'll have to watch that again.

Speaker 6 (01:21:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I thought he looks at him and says, you know,
come on, you know you've already beaten him up, like,
don't leave him like that. I thought they smashed his
skull open and then dumped him in the hole.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Yeah, I thought they did.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
They did. They did. But when he was in that
dirt before Nicky was in there, you see him take
a breath with some of the dirt on and stuff,
and I was like, oh my god, they're both still alive.
That's crazy, man, that's just absolutely insane. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Yeah, well, it couldn't have happened to a nicer couple
of guys.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
Right, I mean, I guess it makes sense a little bit.
But the dude who was basically with Nikki the old
time was the guy who was the one who was
in charge of that execution.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Frank Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
I was like, wow, well Joe Peski killed him the
last movie, so he gets to kill Pesti.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
Good though, very good, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Yeah, it was a pretty gruesome ending to poor Nicki
and dominic. I really shouldn't say poor Nicki. I mean,
in my opinion, I think it was just as served.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Lived by the Store, die by the Stord, as they say. So.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah, so after that sequence, we learned that the mafia
is now out of the casino industry. Nearly all the
old casinos were purchased by big corporations and demolished, and
new casinos were built with the money of junk bonds.
So basically Las Vegas goes from being an organized crime
to corporate crime.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Yeah, yeah, that is correct.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah, and then of course, you know, Sam laments the
new impersonal corporate run resorts of Las Vegas. He moves
to San Diego and returns to sports handicapping. It all
comes back to full circle in the fact that he
was doing this verious job that he was doing back
in Chicago, but now he's in San Diego. So does
that ending feel like a good ending to you?

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Guys? Tim, what did you think? Do you think this
is a solid ending?

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
It's as solid as could be. Like I said, it's
a lot of action and no real plot to it.
So I mean, it's as satisfying as I can hope for.
But this part must be very satisfying for Joey, you know,
he gets to see all these horrible people get their
come up ins.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Yeah, the only one that you can actually have some
respect for, the guy who's, you know, a workhorse who's
also a piece of shit. He's the only guy that
like makes it out alive, and he seems like he's
kind of he's not happy, he's sad.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Right, What about you, Rick, do you think that Ace
is a solid character and shown some growth.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
At the end of this movie.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
No, I think that's part of the problem, that these
characters are not dynamic, their static and they are one
track minded, and that is their undoing. So yeah, it
was fitting. I thought. Actually, I'm kind of surprised he
didn't die. You almost feel bad for him because living
knowing that you could have had quote unquote at all

(01:24:07):
and then you've achieved nothing at the end. I mean
that's pretty sad.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Well, does the end of the movie then reflect in
your death clock? It's just worth taking two hours to
date minutes off of your death clock.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
So here's what I will say about this movie. It's
a fantastic movie, especially for those out there who really
enjoy a good mobster movie. It had real good scenes
that showed through action and great narration, how basically every
deal is being done, whose palms are being greased, and
how these organizations work. It's fantastic. It's a really great movie, especially,

(01:24:42):
like I said, if you're really into that mob stuff,
gambling stuff, or if you're really just kind of looking
for a good drama. It's got tons of conflict. It's
a really great movie. If you've never seen it one
hundred percent. You should check it out. I think, especially
if you're one of those who are into those type
of things and for some reason you haven't seen this one,

(01:25:03):
go watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Okay, Well how about you, Tim?

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that it's definitely worth your death clock.
You should least watch this movie one time. You might
choose after watching it to never watch it again, unless
maybe if you're a big you know, mafia movie officiano,
you might watch it over and over again. But I
don't know if this is something I'm gonna come back
to over and over. Honestly, it feels like a once

(01:25:28):
a decade movie to me kind of thing. There's other
movies I think I would rather watch. Not that it's
a bad movie, but it's just not something that I
feel you're gonna be like, oh, yeah, I know what
I should watch tonight. It should be this one. I
think you're gonna probably go for Good Fellows before this one,
and even in the actually the realm of action films,
there's just better. But it's definitely worth at least one watch.

(01:25:51):
You have to watch it one time. But again, if
you're into this kind of thing, then it might hit
your radar more often.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Well said, you know, I'm going to a with you
in my book. I think that, yes, this is worth
taking time off your death clock. But I'm gonna go
with two watches because I watched this back in two
thousand and six, I enjoyed it. I watched it again
for this view, and it had been almost twenty years
between viewings of this movie and it was entertaining. So yeah,
I'd say it's it's worth watching at least twice. Joey,

(01:26:19):
I'm afraid to ask. I got a feeling. I know
what you're gonna say, but where does this fall.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
On your death clock?

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
I'm gonna surprise you. I'm gonna say that it's worth watching.
But you know, now that i'm revisiting it, I'm remembering why.
Like I'm not as big as a fan of the movie,
and I don't think it has a rewatchability factor like
goodfell Is, But I do think if you want to
kind of have an understanding, you're watching this story about characters,
but you know it's on the backdrop of old Vegas

(01:26:46):
dying and becoming what you know is modern Vegas today.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
It's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
And then to also go back and watch the other
way too fucking long Scorsese movie The Irishman, which if
you thought three hours was enough, how about three and
a half fucking hours. And then you're gonna see kind
of the other side of the story that's really kind
of a prequel to this, where you're seeing it from
the perspective of unions and you're just like, you know,

(01:27:12):
what does that have to do with Vegas? These two
movies explain that it's bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Well, that's been casino. Guys, ladies, gentlemen, feedback. We would
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(01:27:39):
right around the corner. I hope you guys have your
jack lanterns ready because we're gonna be talking about some
monster movies coming up. But before we get into that,
within two minutes or less, gentlemen, please let me know
what do you watch and what do you want to
highlight right now on this episode, and I'll go to
you first.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
Joey.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
I finally got around to watching the movie friends Ship,
starring Paul Rudd and another guy whose name I always
forget because he's on the the not so popular but
popular enough shows Detroiter's, which ran for two seasons. He
was kind of on Satday Night Live for a while,
and he's in I think you should leave and let

(01:28:19):
me get you his name. Yeah, he's this guy that
everybody knows him now, but like you don't know his name.
Let's see good god, Tim Robinson. So Tim Robinson is
actually the star of Friendship. And if it's it's not
for everyone right now, you can rent it for nine bucks.
I'm sure it'll be on a streaming service bundled with

(01:28:42):
a streaming service in next month. Last month it was
it was still in theaters, so it was twenty bucks
to fucking rent it. I had a bunch of digital
kickbacks from Yeah we're talking about kickbacks. You get kickbacks
from Amazon. Hey do you really need do you really
need this package as fast as your prime member is
you know you're paying for or can we get it

(01:29:03):
to you a little bit later? And if so, here's
this digital currency that expires. Well I built up a
bunch of that and I watched it for free. If
you've seen I Think you Should Leave and you like it,
you will enjoy Friendship. However, it's a little long. It's
all about cringe humor, and you're getting a ninety minute

(01:29:26):
version of a show that's normally twelve minutes and has
multiple little sketches with I Think You Should Leave is
like even a week episode. It goes by so fast
you're not even upset that it was a week episode
because it goes by so fast. But this movie is
a little it's stretching a premise, kind of long.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
But I enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
What I am I gonna run out and buy it
now that it's available on Blu Ray. Probably not. Will
I watch it again someday?

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
Probably so.

Speaker 6 (01:29:59):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
If you you don't know anything about Tim Robinson's cringe humor,
watch a couple episodes of I Think You Should Leave.
If you like that, you'll probably enjoy Friendship. If you
don't like I Think you Should Leave, avoid at all costs.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
It's not for you. Gotcha?

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Rick?

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Well how about you? What are you watching?

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
All right? So? I got two animes for you guys.
One that I finished not too long ago, which was
probably one of the better animes that I've ever watched
was Tower of God.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Well wait, wait, wait wait, it's actually got a short title.
You don't have like the super long title for it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
I mean, I'm sure I could look up the Japanese title.
It's probably pretty long, but it's But it's not one
of those like, you know, people who want to climb
the tower and attain their wish, their their greatesh wish
in life. That I mean, that would be the name
of a more more recent type of animes that's like
the anasis. These people they get into this proverbial tower

(01:30:54):
because usually there's some really bad thing that happened in
their life, and then they get in to this tower,
and this tower is like basic, it's like a dungeon crawl,
and they go through each of these levels and unlock
the next level up or whatever, and if they can
get to the top, supposedly they can get their you know,

(01:31:14):
wish in life granted to them or whatever. So I mean,
that's the premise, but it's so much more. There's so
much character development, there's so much conflict, there's it's like
really really really good. I highly highly recommend that one.
The other one is more mainstream. I usually don't watch
a whole lot of mainstream animes out there, but I

(01:31:36):
was kind of looking for something else to watch, and
I really didn't have any good animes on my radar
that I was really looking forward to watching, so I
went back to something that's a that's pretty well known.
It's called Demon Slayer. A lot of people who are
familiar with anime I'm sure familiar with the title. If not,

(01:31:57):
they've watched it and it's turned out to be pretty good.
It's about this group of undercover type of demon Slayer
people that it's actually called the Demon Slayer Core, and
they go through these trials and tribulations in order to
get into this organization and then once they're in, they

(01:32:19):
train and basically go hunt down demons that are living
in the underworld. You know. It's kind of like a
vampire kind of thing where they exist but no one
really knows about it and stuff, and it's it's pretty cool, man.
I mean, it's Taylor. This one is kind of tailored
to like maybe like teenagers and stuff. So there are

(01:32:41):
some points in it that I'm like, ah, lee, man,
these people are so annoying, But otherwise the story on
its own is the main plot and stuff. It's it's
really solid. It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Well, how about you tim any movies, TV shows or
anything you want to highlight what you been watching.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
So after watching below of the rings, I was super
still in that mindset and I had recently purchased this
gem from a flea market called Dragonfire, and let me
tell you, it did not disappoint. I think it might
go by the name orcs too somewhere. It's one of those.

(01:33:22):
I think orc Wars might be the other alternate name
to this one. Basically about a special forces operative who
leaves the military and just wants to escape the world.
Buys a remote ranch out in the West, only to
find out that on his property is a cave that
is a portal to thirteen other worlds. He starts to

(01:33:42):
get these trespassers that come on to his land, one
of which is a beautiful elf princess. There may also
be a Native American mystic that's involved in this, and
a lot of orcs that are seemed to helpent on
capturing this elf princess and returning her to one of
the realms in order to be sacrificed and some kind
of weird ritual. It's not the greatest feel of you

(01:34:04):
ever gonna watch, but fairly entertaining. I'm almost positive that
I think they must have gotten some of their orc
armor and makeup and masks and stuff from the Lord
of the Rings somehow, because the Orcs and this look fantastic.
The writing not so fantastic, but it's them. It's fun,
it's entertaining. It's worth a watch Dragonfire otherwise if you

(01:34:27):
can't find them. That title Ork Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
I think I've seen that movie on like a sci
fi channel at one point, because it sounds very familiar.

Speaker 6 (01:34:37):
It looks interesting. I know, I'm like watching the trailer
without sound, and I see dudes with like guns battle
and orcs and stuff with swords and dragons and stuff.
It looks pretty cool. It looks cool.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Yeah, they think he's a wizard because he's got these guns,
so he's a wizard.

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
He shows up with all and when he buys this house,
the realtors like, yes, the previously owner, you know, insists
that whoever bought the house got it with everything in it,
so everything here is yours, and you know it's one
of those he kind of moves in, finds a shotgun,
you know, it's kind of furnishing stuff, then goes downstairs
and finds an entire arsenal, and then there may be

(01:35:16):
a half track from World War Two with a giant
bod dudes to the back of the bar and stuff.
So there's plenty of implementation for him to slay orcs
at a very fast and furious pace, right up into
and including their dragon God.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Okay, it looks cool. It looks cool.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
Yeah, I might have to go back and look. This
looks familiar. It sounds familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Like you said, I think all the work costumes were
definitely stolen from from the back lot of Wettest Studios.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yeah, for sure. But I mean, actually, the story is
not all that bad. I mean, it's not a horrible film.
I mean it's definitely a low budget. But I've seen
so much bad B movie low budget stuff. This is
probably the upper echelon of bad bee movie should describe it.
I don't know how to sell it, but yeah, I
mean it's probably the best of the worst, So I

(01:36:07):
can say.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Would you say it's better than the movie Gamers where
the people are playing dungeon dragons in a college dorm
and then you get a cut scene to like their
characters playing in character and stuff. If you've never seen it,
this is so freaking funny, man. There's a dude in
there who doesn't show up on time, so his character

(01:36:29):
is just like Frozen Still. He doesn't do anything, and
then when he shows up, he's a berserker and he
goes into a rage, and then he's gotta leave again,
so that his character is just like Still and Frozen
in game. It's so funny, man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I will have to watch Gamers and let you know
how I feel that to compare.

Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
You should be able to get it for free on YouTube.
Actually I think they have it on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Nice although as I'm looking at the Dragonfire page, they
just had a trailer for Ninja Apocalypse. This might also
have to go on my viewing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Well, listeners, you got some b movies look forward to
get discussed about in our next couple of episodes. Just
to wrap it up with what I'm watching. So, with
the Halloween season fast approaching and the fact that one
of my favorite directors just released a TV series on Netflix,
I decided to go and start watching Wednesday once again.

(01:37:28):
So I've watched all of season one, and I just
started watching season two with my family. So looking forward
to let you guys know a little bit more about
season two as I watch it, But so far, I
am liking it. It's definitely got a lot of the
tropes that were established in the first season.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
We get to see some new cameos.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I got to see a cameo of everybody's favorite Mad Scientists,
Doc Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
He shows up in the season in one of the episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
So yeah, is the uncle Fester no Ah, He's actually
character named Professor Orlock, which is I think a week
and a nod towards the old uh, the old Nosfatu movie.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
But yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
It's it's a fun and entertaining show so far. But yeah, well,
before we have tim send us or take this bus home, Rick,
we want to share the love of your podcast out
there on YouTube. You want to tell our listeners where
they can hear more of your stuff that is not
movie related, but in the same vein.

Speaker 6 (01:38:31):
All right, So, I have a gaming channel that predominantly
focuses on Soul's games, So Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Bloodborne,
those type of games. I've got tips and stuff, I've
got walkthroughs, so if you are at all interested in
those type of games, you probably have already seen some
of my stuff. Otherwise, you can look for it at

(01:38:54):
Dungeon Master Elite. There's no spaces in that Dungeon Master Elite. Also,
I have videos on tips for strategy RPGs, so games
like Tactics, Ogre Fell Seal, and soon I'll probably put
out some videos for the remake of Final Fantasy Tactics.

(01:39:17):
This game was put out in the mid nineties on
PlayStation that's PlayStation one, so it's been geez like thirty
years in the making. People for a long time thought
that it would never have a remastered version, and finally
we're about to get one. It's going to be released
at the end of September, so looking forward to that,

(01:39:40):
and you can look forward to seeing my videos on
that too.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
Nice all right, Tim, I want to check this bus home.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
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