Sofa Talk: Irish Dance Triumphs, Nickelodeon's Dark Side, and the Power of the Pause

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Life's a dance, and sometimes it's Irish! Lisa's kids have been leaping and jigging their way through the competitive world of Irish dancing, and it's led us all the way to the World Championships in Scotland. But beneath the tartan and trophies lies a conversation that needs to be had about the pressures these young dancers face. So, buckle up as we celebrate Ellie's awe-inspiring 10th place world ranking and take you behind the scenes of the intensity and passion of the dance community. And let's not forget Jack, who's gearing up to give his own performances everything he's got. Pam also has exciting news to share about her son Kylan and his recent dance awards!

Turning away from the stage, we sat down for a deep heart-to-heart sparked by the "Quiet on Set" documentary, unpacking the troubling tales of abuse within the walls of Nickelodeon. It's a tough topic, but one that needs the light of day, not just for the kids in the spotlight but for their parents navigating the treacherous waters of showbiz. We also tackle our collective addiction to the screen - from the grip of binge-watching to the otherworldly fascination with reality TV, like the unconventional lives in "Sister Wives." Strap in for a ride through the real-life drama that unfolds both on and off-screen.

Lastly, we're all about the nuance of the unsaid in the art of communication, and the 'power of the pause.' Ever write an email only to leave it unsent? There's healing in those unsent words and a wisdom in waiting that we're learning to embrace. We also bring the laughter with a round of "would you rather," where we debate the lesser of two quirky evils. And because a trip down memory lane is always a hoot, we reminisce about past trends that had us in stitches. Join us for this rollercoaster of emotions, from reflective to riotous, as we explore the beautiful mess that is Middle Ageish.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Middle Age-ish Podcast.
Authentically andunapologetically, keeping it
real, Discussing all thingsMiddle Age-ish, A time when
metabolism slows and confidencegrows.
Join fashion and fitnessentrepreneur Ashley Badowski,
former Celtic woman and founderof the Lisa Kelly Voice Academy,
Lisa Kelly licensedpsychologist and mental health

(00:24):
expert, Dr Pam Wright and highlysought after cosmetic injector
and board certified nursepractitioner Trisha Kennedy
Roman.
Join your hosts on the journeyof middle age-ish.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of Middle Age-ish Podcast.
My name is Trisha Kennedy Romanand I'm joined here today with
my co-host, ashley Budosky, lisaKelly and Dr Pam Wright, and
you are joining us for our SofaTalks, so welcome.
We have been talking for a longtime before this, so we had to

(00:58):
hit record to get something onair.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Because we like to talk, we do we have to do like a
bonus content?
Yes, of like X-rated I was likethat talk can never see.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
That needs to be the burner phone.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's the burner phone.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
This is the burner phone conversation, but anyway,
oh yes, but I do think that wehave some really exciting things
to talk about.
Yeah, we do, I know I thinklike yeah, like some children
making some big, big, big, big.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yes, it's our dancer families, pam, our dancer
families.
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
And I think that it's super cool when moms brag on
their babies.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And so it's been an exciting week.
Well, for my kids.
We are at the worldchampionships in scotland, which
is a really really long, sevendays of like thousands and
thousands of kids from all overthe world so and they all
qualify in their regional areasand then they do a nationals
area.
So every country has like aread.
Well, most countries, biggercountries, have a regional and

(02:00):
then a nationals and then youqualify at those for the world
event.
So my daughter Ellie, who hasonly been to maybe four world
championships, she's neverrecalled at a world championship
so there's usually like 200,250.
And recall just means thatthey're called back Like they
perform and they get asked tocome back and they come back and
they do, they do their tworounds and then they so what

(02:22):
they do for girls.
Because there's so many of them, they change the rules.
So Ellie danced on Tuesday thisweek and she did her two rounds
and then they recall them untilWednesday and then they started
all over again.
So they take a portion of them.
So there was like 260 of themyesterday.
So they recall them 130 of themtoday Okay.
So she goes, went back today and, honestly, her to get back to

(02:44):
today was a huge thing.
Okay, so she goes, went backtoday and, honestly, her to get
back to today was a huge thingfor her because she's never done
that before.
So then she did her first tworounds today and then they
recall 70 or I think it was.
I think what did I say?
62 maybe today.
They recalled 62 today and shewas one of the 62 they recalled
today.
So she got down to the final 62out of the 220.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
that were there today .

Speaker 3 (03:04):
And then she managed to get herself 10th position.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So freaking amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So, happy for her Unexpected, and it was like one
of those moments that everybodyin the house well, the remaining
ones in our house we were like,oh my gosh, how did this
actually happen for her?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Like she's worked really, really hard, but that's
not always enough when it comesto Irish dancing, right, well, I
mean, I think in any genre,like you know, you can want it
and love it.
Yes, and it still just is not.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
it's just not in the cards and there's so many
factors in Irish dance.
It's been, like you know, it'sbeen a very hard year and a half
for Irish dance.
So, um, it's been amazing.
It was just amazing.
I was so, so happy for her.
Today she can't believe itherself, so that was very
exciting what did she say whenshe went?

Speaker 5 (03:53):
what was her?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
well, I couldn't talk as I was teaching, so I didn't
know and I was, um, my phone wasgoing mad and she was calling
me and I felt so bad and Iactually, as I was saying to you
earlier, I took, I got rid ofmy private classes yesterday
because I thought I was going tobe consoling her yesterday and
I moved everything today becauseI didn't think she'd be dancing
today, and then that's what.
I guess here we go for assumingand uh yeah, so she was.
She's just in absolutedisbelief herself and everybody

(04:17):
was so nice to her.
I think Irish dance has beenone of those things.
I didn't grow up in Irish dance, so and it's all very new to me
and I have met the most amazingpeople and I have really met
the most awful people as well.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's been a real learning curve of.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Like you know, there's so many kids.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's kind of the extreme of both.
It is, and I didn't grow up insport either, and.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I know from talking to all my parents you know my
friends they're like oh no,sport is exactly the same it's
exactly the same.
So this is all.
I didn't really grow up in avery competitive environment,
right.
I'm just not like that as aperson.
I'm not competitive at all, soI don't understand it.
So, right, I don't evenunderstand when passions get so
high about things.
I'm like it's only dance, it'sfine, you know they want to kill

(04:59):
me.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm really like the person that wants both teams to
win, you know there's nothingwrong with that, yeah, and I
want the underdog all the timeto win and she was the underdog
today and I'm just so happy forher, so yeah.
So then Jack dances on Fridayand my husband, scott, has like
66 other kids that have beencrying on the shoulder and
hugging him and he's just, he'sdone a phenomenal job.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
So really proud of them.
Congratulations, kelly, we'reso proud of you, and good luck
to Jess.
Well isn't?

Speaker 4 (05:24):
it just amazing, like as parents, as moms, like we
feel a hundred times whateverthey're feeling.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So if it's joy.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
We literally probably have to regulate our heart rate
or we're going to be calling911.
And then I mean because youguys know my favorite saying is
is that you're only as happy asyour saddest child.
So when they have those momentsof just such joy, pam knows um
like it's just like there's justno better day.

(05:53):
Like there's no better day.
This is true.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
This is true, I'm with her side.
You're so sad, so it's like ohyou just I know it seriously.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Like you feel it you feel a thousand times on either
side when they're happy.
You just can't contain it.
When things don't go their way,you take it on and it's 10
times worse.
So, so hard, so hard.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
So tell us about kind of.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Okay, so today's my son's birthday.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
I know, but he's in Miami, so he does dance in Miami
and he won first place thispast weekend in Jump over like
100 people, so that was likeamazing, so pretty, and amazing
too, so great.
But he got to come up and himand his sister are really super
close, like they're best friends, like literally are best
friends, like they just havealways been close, never really
fought, two years apart.
So he got to go to prom withher, that was great and just um.

(06:45):
So he got to go to prom withher, that was great.
And then just being, you know,so far away, it's really hard
but it's so great to see him andsee him be successful and see
him doing better and and thosekind of things.
But you're right, I mean yourkids, no matter how far away
they are, just like yours, likewhen you, when you see them be
successful, like you're just sohappy about their success, I
know like it's just such aspecial joy that parents should
and do get to experience.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
when you see your little precious human, you know,
just do what their love is, andI think it's such a gift that
we're given, you know to be,able to witness it.
So it's just amazing.
And again, pam, your son likehis ability.
Thank you.
I mean and that's why I cannotwait to see Ellie's performance.

(07:29):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
She's so excited, I'm so excited.
She is so amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
The fact that they can do what they do.
That's what we were talkingabout, because I didn't really
know anything about Irish danceuntil I met you, lisa, and I
still am just absolutely stunnedat both of y'all's kids'
ability, because I just didn'tknow.
Bodies did that.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I know I get more nervous.
I was telling Lisa I was like Iget more nervous, like they're
fine.
She's like I know we did thisall the time, we're good, we're
going to go, and I'm like I getso nervous for them that I'm
like, oh my gosh, you've gotcontrol you're like oh I wish I
could do that.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, I don't want to do it for them, because
obviously I can't dance.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
So there's like no hope, I don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh no, I can't, no, no, no, really, oh yeah, no, no
no, no, it'd be good okay she'sonly given one, but no dancing.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Have you heard her voice?
So the angels only blessed heronce.
There you go, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Thank you.
So if we go to karaoke, Ashleyand I will be dancing Absolutely
not and Trisha and Lisa willsing, because you actually sing,
but I will give you a voice too.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Trisha can dance as well.
She can dance, I can dance too.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I can sing, dance, my kids things, oh my gosh well, I
can dance when tito's isinvolved, and then I am like
done, I am amazing well I'lljust say I can also see the
backup dancers oh, I could dothat kind of like what is it
like?
What was that one robert plant?

Speaker 5 (08:55):
oh yeah I can totally do that yeah, perfect I know
let's bring in our hair blackand like wear the black dress
and like a thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Um, yes, because that's when I'm, that's when I'm
really but, I also think thatthat's when I think I can be.
Lisa kelly too, I'll give youthe mic, so maybe we'll see
about.
Oh, I mean, I know we talkabout this all the time our
girls weekend, but it is goingto be epic.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know, by the time we do it we're going to be 80.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh no, that's probably, that's probably true,
yeah, by the time we do this,but we've set the time frame now
.
But I will tell you we'll bethe most badass 80-year-olds on
the planet We'll be like.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
welcome to the old and decrepit podcast, oh my.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
God, oh my God, Seriously, because that stuff
just makes me so happy Likesubject.
But I got def lepper ticketsfor july.
That's awesome.
Absolutely about to lose mymind that's amazing good old
joey elliott.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
He lived in dublin yeah, he's married to an irish
girl oh I don't know if theyremember joey elliott ah, pour
some sugar on me absolutely 1988.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I remember exactly where we were cruising around
old Springfield, missouri, yep,but anyway, yeah, that's awesome
.
That's why cruising was thething I know.
We always had to cruise to TacoBell, ours was Hardee's.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
We were classy.
We didn't cruise in Dublinbecause we couldn't drive.
So it was like oh, we had astrip, wait what?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
We had a strip.
You always went to the strip.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
You had to go the exact same way, you saw the same
people, but it was just socrazy that's so funny, we just
walk so why couldn't you driveyou?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
weren't allowed to drive until you were like 17.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well, this was 16.
Well, yeah, I mean, it was 16for us.
But, the traffic is so bad inthe city we just walk around and
walk.
I mean, trisha and I were likeYou're in the country.
We were kind of in the country?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, a little bit.
Do you want to hear somethingsweet with my mom?
I just made a thing aboutcruising the strip.
Oh yeah, so when you were, wasit 15 and a half.
You got your permit and backthen I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Okay, I don't remember ever getting a permit.
I just go ahead.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Sorry, but you had to have your parent in the car.
Yes, yes, but I remember Iwanted to cruise a strip but I
didn't have my license.
So we would make my mom she satin the backseat of the van and
we would cruise a strip and we'dsee people We'd know, we'd say
mom lay down lay down and she'dlay down in the backseat.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
And so we were cruising the strip.
Your mom as a mother, yes, yes,you will sacrifice anything,
you will do anything to makeyour child happy.
That's true, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Speaking of the very dark side, uh-oh.
Yeah, very dark side of kids.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
All right so we pivot we totally pivot.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Did any of you watch Quiet on Set?
No, what's that about?
Oh, the documentary aboutNickelodeon, oh, Okay, oh, what
happened?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh, it's awful, it's awful, it's awful.
I'm telling you guys, there's aculture.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Wait, so it's about the kids on Nickelodeon.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, it was about some of the kids.
It's primarily about Drake Bell, who's in Drake and Josh and he
does an interview on it.
He was abused by a guy who Aproducer, wasn't it?
No, he was the dialogue coach.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I was like sorry everybody, don't get mad at me.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, no, the producer was Dan Schneider, who
was the guy who basically ranall those shows.
He was, he was, he was an actorhimself and then he became a
producer and he did likeVictorious and like Carly and
Sam and Cat and Drake and Joshand all these, all these, like
you know, they all kind of a lotof back flack about him as well

(12:27):
, which it was.
It was kind of it was the firsttime I've kind of watched
something and you know, you'relike very aware I was, I was
hyper aware of what was going onbecause of the world we kind of
live in now, and when some ofthe child actors were talking
about some of the things thatthey felt were over sexualized,
I was kind of going becausethey'd show the clip then as
well.
And while some of it yes, therewas, there was some of it

(12:48):
though I was like yeah, but like15 years ago or 20 years ago,
nobody really was thinking likethat.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Now, maybe they were on the set and I was.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was just.
It was a really hard balance,but it's a really really
documentary.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
It's very sad though very I do think, like I think
that there's a culture that alot of people don't know about.
Oh yeah, so then I have parentsthey're like they do.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
That was kind of.
The saddest part of all of thiswas that drake bell's dad was
on set the whole time and he hadstarted to kick up a fuss about
this particular guy, saying Idon't like the way he's holding
onto my kid and I don't like theway he's doing that.
And eventually the abuserpulled the kid away from his dad

(13:32):
and was like your dad's causingtrouble and you're not going to
be able to work.
And the kid was bringing in allthe money.
It was just it was so the poorfather, your heart to go out to
the dad because he justobviously never got over it, you
know.
And their relationship was verystrange, that they have a great
relationship now.
But but you can see, it wasjust so obvious how it all

(13:54):
happened.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
You could see out of the innocence that it would
happen.
I think that that's howpredators work, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, it's surprising because when Corbin was on set,
like there was always I can'tremember what they were called
but even when I was there, therewas like a child advocate that
always stayed with him Always,and so maybe they've changed
rules.
I mean, that was so he hasn'tdone it for like 10 years, but
like that was he would havethere was somebody that was
always with him I mean, I wasalways with him too or we had

(14:21):
somebody we hired to be therewith, called, but it was like a
child advocate, like a chaperone.
Yeah, but it was not from us,it was from the set Right.
So that, yeah, I guess maybethey've changed rules or maybe
that was just that particularproduction.
Well, I don't know if this guy.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
He wasn't the child advocate.
That's not what he was but hekind of assumed that role and I
think it might have been pre allof that, because I know like
the sets have completely changed.
I'm like there's so many laborlaws in and everything for kids
now and who they can be aroundand what they can be around.
But yeah, it's, it was just.
Oh, it's very sorry, very dark.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That was definitely a shift.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, but just talking about children.
Yeah, you know just you justkind of just want all children
to have a chance, a chance, yep.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, here I'll lighten it up, so you know my
fun facts thing.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
This popped up.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay.
So, speaking of television andeverything it says, scientists
warn that binge watching yourfavorite show is equivalent to a
drug addiction.
It produces a similar high thatmakes you crave the next hit
like a pseudo addiction.
I think we're like the love isblind.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I finished that, so I'm thinking sister wife again.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh is that I haven't watched that for a long time.
Is it back?
Oh, I gotta go back.
Now I have a new thing.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
The best show ever.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It is so good the URI is really missing out.
I need to watch that you do.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I just don't.
I mean, I'm sorry, Like I feellike I'm just so much more
classy with my housewives.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Well, I would beg to do it.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
No, no, I say that with heavy sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's just so interesting to me to see how
other people because that's soout of my realm of even
imagination of of being okaywith that.
It's just really interesting tome to see, like, how other
people think and live and thisseason's really eyeopening.
Oh, I can't wait to watch it.
I had no idea it was on again.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
But season's really eye-opening.
Oh, I can't wait to watch it.
I had no idea it was on again,but do you feel like it's?
Like it's because?
I mean, obviously we know thatI love the housewives and
vanderpump rules and all theridiculousness of all of that.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
You and I are the same one.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I know exactly, but I also feel like so much of it is
production.
I agree so do you feel likewith reality?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
yes, definitely what I like, though, about this one
is it's never.
This never feels like it'sproduction.
I know there's parts of it thatare scripted Right right, but
like so they're following.
Let me see one, two, three.
There's like four couples Ithink they're following.
No, five couples they'refollowing, but no one set of
couple is the same Like one setof couple is the same, like

(16:47):
everybody is going through.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
So there's one guy that has three wives.
Yeah, I was like hold on asecond.
Why don't you guys explain?

Speaker 3 (16:51):
what this magic of tv is.
It's polygamy.
It's like it's you know, it'speople who practice polygamy and
it's it's funny.
Some do it for religiousreasons, some don't, some are
like I think one of them is justa player and he's managed to
convince these three women thatthis is a good idea.
And the third girl that'sactually come in now is like

(17:12):
really upset because he wantsanother wife, he wants to take
in a fourth wife.
So there's them.
And then there's another couplewhere the wife is really
pushing it actually two othercouples, the wife is really
pushing it.
And then there's this othercouple from Colorado.
She just breaks my heart.
Do you remember them, garrick?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
and.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Danielle, she just breaks my heart because I feel
she's forced into this.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh, it's horrible.
Yeah, she broke my heart too.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, and it's even worse this time, so she's forced
into being one of multiplewives.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think he's convinced her that this is a
call from God.
Are they all Mormon?
No, no, none of them are Mormon.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Wait a second.
What now?
None of them are.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Mormon.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
That's not, you know, that's not a thing like with
the Mormon church now, no, no no, I know, not now, but like I
just sometimes, because I mean,I guess, when I looked at sister
wives yeah, they were like them, they were Mormon.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's the break off.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
The fundamental.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah so.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
I didn't mean that in a bad way, because I mean, God
knows, I mean some of my verygood friends, like really one of
my best friends.
So I didn't mean that in a badway.
But that's why I had to ask,because that's what from that
other family.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, no two of them.
Now I think actually one set ofthem might actually be Mormon,
but the other ones that I wassurprised that I didn't know are
Muslim.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Really.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Oh but, I think that they do have multiple wives.
Yes, I didn't know.
I actually didn't know that,yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, the one we're talking about, though, she's the
one that she had actuallydivorced him, right?
Yes, and it was heartbreaking,so she had to divorce him so he
could get the.
I know, roberta, yeah, to getthe.
Is it green, the green card?
Yeah, the fiancé visa to comeinto the country and during the
like, when she had divorced him,like it was so sad.
She was like crying, like itbroke her heart to have to

(18:54):
divorce her husband so he couldmarry another wife.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
It's just, it's bizarre and like I really do
believe it's true.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
This is the way they live, but it's just so.
If it's not for religiousbeliefs, then what?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
so it's.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
One guy just says he's the king and okay, so like
a power, like narcissistic kindof thing.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
One of the guys just fascinates me because he doesn't
work.
Yeah, he doesn't work.
The women work.
The women all work.
I can't.
They're married to each other.
Seconded, again.
That's right, he's not marriedto any of them and didn't?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
aren't they the ones that got like a special bed made
?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yes, yes, correct.
Oh wait, that's the one thatyou guys sent me, that huge bed.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes, the picture of that.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
All right, dr Payne is like.
Hold on a second.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Why do these people stay?
If that's not, I mean, I get itif that's his belief, but if
it's not your belief, why do youstay in that situation?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
That would she would do anything for him.
I think she would do absolutelyanything for this.
And they have a kid.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
They have two boys, yeah, and their families all
know about it.
Wait their families don't knowof it.
I think the reason I like it somuch is it's so out of the norm
for me.
Like it's, like this.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Now that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's like people watching You're like why are you
doing this?
It's serious people watching.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, well, some of them, some of them, I kind of
get it.
I go, yeah, it'd be nice tohave a wife, I could do with a
wife, it'd be their husband.
But like another wife would befine.
You're like, okay, so today isyour day to do the dishes and

(20:31):
and actually have like a caesarsalad.
I do say that to scott all thetime.
I'm like I need a wife and he'slike, okay, what now?
You just need sometimes youjust need another woman in your
life to kind of go let's do thislike or you know, women can
just see quicker but would thatbe an assistant and like oh yeah
because, yeah, I don't want anassistant, though I want Luke.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Okay, so we all know, ladies.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't share.
No, I know you don't share.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, I don't share either.
It would be none of that.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
So I could.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
She's my wife.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
She's the wife without benefits, so Scott gets
kicked to the curb, you're likejust yeah, I don't.
But again I get it.
Because that's why I watch theHousewives and Vanderpump and

(21:14):
all that stuff, because my brain, like it, just is so not the
world I live in and I just mybrain can shut down and I just
find it so fascinating.
But yeah, I'm going to have towatch this.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
You're going to have to watch.
I'm gonna have to.
You're gonna have to watch.
You have to watch.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
You have to be reeled in I'll watch it with you so we
can figure out.
All right, you know what, drpan, this is gonna be our
homework.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
We're gonna start from episode one, and then we
have to talk to a polygamist.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
We've had several that have contacted us to be on
the show I actually would reallylike to know the thought
process and I'd like to talk tolike a male and a female.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, because how do you handle insecurities?
How do you handle jealousy?
Because you can't tell me thatthose don't play a factor in a
relationship where there'smultiple people.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, the male is genius.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'll say that I've worked with some and it doesn't
always end up well, the malejust gets like whatever he wants
, because he can just have allhis women.
It's the women.
I don't understand how they canthink about how we are.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I mean, first of all, you've got to have.
I mean I'm not the only personon the planet who does not share
.
I don't share Right but stilllike the thing that's like
almost instinctual, is ajealousy factor Like we can.
We can tame it, we can workthrough it, but it's part of
human nature.
If you cause there's isn'tthere, like that person's not

(22:29):
maybe going to love you as muchas you love them, and then that
person that you love so much isgoing to love this girl over
here, that's wife number two orwhatever.
Like how did the?
How do you work through thedynamics to keep a cohesive
family together when there'smultiple partners Like I?
I would love to talk to someone, cause I really again, there is

(22:52):
no criticism, whatever floatsyour boat, floats your boat.
I just don't understand,because it goes like I don't
think my nature.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yeah, no, my nature definitely, so some some of them
are married with childrenalready.
So it's not just like singlepeople who are.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, no, I think all of them have children.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do they have children together or is there children
that they brought into therelationship?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
There was a couple the couple from Atlanta they're
not in it anymore because therewas like a whole bunch of abuse
charges and everything there butthere was a couple from Atlanta
, and the sister wife want tosay that they picked, she had
two children and she broughtthem in as well.
So there are people out there,though, who want to be part of
this.
Like for the guy who wants tobe the king I don't know how you

(23:39):
managed to get one woman tosleep with him, yeah, let alone
three on a regular basis.
I'm like dude, like he's justyeah, like, do you alternate
dates?

Speaker 4 (23:49):
They do.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
They alternate and it's not a threesome.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's not like that.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
It's not like that.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's like everyone lives on a date All right.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
So my day is Tuesday.
And so they spend the entireday.
They would date together.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, they're different too.
Let's say it was us, though.
It would be like we alternatedates, but we still talk to one
another.
We're friends.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Oh yeah, we all live together, you're sisters, your
job and that's your sisters.
So you all work together andyou all deal with his issues and
you look after.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
No, I mean I absolutely could not adore you.
Three more, oh, three more, ohyeah, but like no, no, no, nope,
nope.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
But it's amazing because some of them, like the
one, had a special bed built forall of them, but it's not like
a sexual thing for him but notfor the girls.
But the other ones like one ofthem, I think, was actually
building a bedroom like for,like that was like the suite,
like he would go in with likeeach of the women.
Then they had their own roomstoo.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
So no, yeah no, nope nope, you still know what's
going on, even if you're not.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh yeah, but you're okay with that, like you're
encouraging it.
It's.
It's the strangest it'smind-blowing it's a story, but
there's definitely that one,that girl in colorado, danielle.
She is just not comfortablewith anything but you can tell
it's so sad.
She's always, always crying,she's always sad, and he's such
a geek.
Yes, what how?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
are you getting this beautiful woman.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
All right, pam, you have to watch it.
We're going to do episode oneand we're just going to it's
people watching it really is.
It's like people watching atits best, but I really would
love to talk to both sides.
I would too.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean we'll do that.
We need to do this.
I think it's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
I mean, it's so fascinating.
I just don't know how it works.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
That one is definitely going to be on video,
because Ashley's facialexpressions would be money.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
No, I just feel like I'm going to insult somebody,
and that is never my intent, Ithink people who live lives that
are so different to like thenorm which I'm not trying to
insult them, but I they alwaysknow that.
They always know that.
So anybody who lives a littlebit differently to what is seen
as being normal want you to askquestions.
Right?

(25:56):
They what?
They don't get insulted whenyou ask questions because they
know that it comes from a goodplace.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, well, and I will say that you know, everyone
makes the cutest littlecomments that they want to
actually see us.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yes, I have to start wearing makeup.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I know I was like okay tonight I'm going to finish
at work, I'm going to lab coatin my drain Like just super
comfy outfit.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
But I do think it's super sweet that they would like
just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I want Lisa on video because I've been looking at her
shirt and her fingernails andthey match perfectly, I know, I
just thought the car, I know yes, it's like perfectly matched.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I never get purple on my nails either, but I do that
because I have to put in so muchblue shampoo on my hair that if
it stains my nails, I'm like ohno, no no this it's like
perfectly, you're perfectlycoordinated, oh and.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Easter is so you're lilac-y for like.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Easter.
I never wear them long either.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's very pretty.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
We need to have a video just to show off your
nails and shirt.
I know All right, so we'regoing to have to start doing
some videos.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
And everyone is going to see how absolutely
ridiculous my facial expressionsare Like.
Any time, give me two secondsand you're going to know exactly
what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yes, we need some shock.
It's a good thing, though, Ithink.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Is it a good thing?
Mm-hmm, I mean, oh, is it.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Really.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I just don't that, and the fact that my eyes turn
gray.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
When you're like mad, oh, mm-hmm, so she's never
turned gray as we know so ifthey're turning gray we need to
way slowly, yes, slowly.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Don't make eye contact they're gray.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, exactly, no, they're yeah, it's so crazy like
they, and I can actually feelthem change.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh, wow, you're like yeah, my family, my, I know, I
don't, I really don't know whyit like.
It must be pressure, it has tobe something they go a very
smoky gray at least michael hasa warning sign.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, it must take a lot, though.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It does take a lot.
Yeah, it's like a yellow lightbefore the red light.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Right, exactly, yeah, my whole family knows about it.
I mean even the people like mygirls, like at my store and
stuff like they.
Yeah, watch out, I know Today'sthe day.
Yeah, stuff Like they, they,yeah, I know Today's the day.
Yeah, like it usually, like itusually happens, like Michael's
seen it a couple of times, butthat's because we've been
together for 55,000 years.

(28:12):
My kids have seen it a coupleof times because they made bad
choices.
Yes, exactly, but it usuallyhappened.
Clients are usually the onesthat see it first because
they've mistreated someone on myteam, and there's nothing that
I hate more than entitled whenyou feel that you have the right
to mistreat somebody because oftheir position, and that's when

(28:36):
that's really the only timethat my girls have like have
ever seen it, but I canliterally feel it when it's
coming.
It's the weirdest thing.
It's so weird.
Dr Pam, you're going toprobably be like Ashley.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
You and I need to sit down.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yes, because you are very complicated.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
We need a session.
We need a session.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
We need a session.
We need a session.
It's so nice.
Yeah, we need a session.
So two seconds.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
My facial expression is exactly what I'm thinking and
then, when my eyes turn gray, Ican hide what I'm thinking
pretty well.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I bet you can.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, I can kind of, I can kind of.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I bet Pam can too.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Oh good, I'm good to hide.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I feel Trisha and I are more.
Oh, you have to be.
I'm a good, I don't knowactually, but I have to.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
You do yeah you do no no, that is true, you know
right, your job, all right.
So maybe it's just me In thefirst two seconds.
I just I can't control it.
Like it, just like.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, I think you're in a unique position, though
that you don't have to, that'strue, you know yeah that's true,
you don't have to and I, to behonest, I disagree.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
If you have somebody in front of you who's like the
worst singer ever, ever, oh, andthey're like that's so hard to
like.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Not, ashley can't help you with that one.
I can't help you with that one.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
I think with mine it's easier for me, like you
said, Lisa, just because it'sdriven by bad behavior, and then
I'm like I really don't care,You're treating someone bad.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, you're treating someone bad.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah, you're treating someone bad, but you can see it
instantly, cause, like I'llstart, like I'll, something will
happen and the girls will seeme, and like there's that split,
like, and then all of a suddenI'm like I'm sorry, what, what,
what were you saying?
Okay, what, what exactly is theissue?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You actually have a skill, though, like you can talk
.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Oh, you want an exception?
Right Okay, we don't do that,because that's the worst when we
make exceptions.
So, right Okay, all right Okay,bye-bye, bye-bye, thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You're the only person I've known who can like
say complete paragraphs withyour facial expressions.
It's a gift?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah, it really is, it's a talent, I mean sometimes
I mean, I know it's coolventriloquism, but you have a
whole new level, oh yes, I'm,yes, I know I think it's a good
thing, but it's two seconds, butyou got the whole.
Like Trisha said, you got thewhole dialogue Start, middle,
finish, finish Encore.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I have to think about what I'm going to say, so like
I would much rather havesomebody come at me via text or
something or that way.
Then I can process and then Ican write it in my notes.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And I may send it or I may never send it.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
That's been the best therapy for me.
Oh yes, has been to writeemails.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Oh, 100% and you send your apps on.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I've never sent them.
I've no two in the month.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
It's like the 24-hour rule.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I had tolearn that, because I can again
shocking we did that all thetime.
Yeah, I'll save it to a fileand then the next morning, give
me 24 hours and if I'm stilllike no, absolutely send.
And there's other times I'llread I'll be like oh my gosh,
what the scary thing is when I'mlike okay, write the letter and

(31:52):
bring it in, let's process it.
And then and they're like oh hey, I went ahead and sent it and
I'm like no, no, no, no, yeah,like oh, no, yeah, my mom taught
me that years ago because sheknew my temper and she was
always like ashley just 24 hours, write it, give it some time if
you still feel that way and ithas saved me not always, but it

(32:14):
has saved me many times, becausethere are some I'm like
absolutely still sent.
Oh, I'm gonna add some stuffand there's others and I'm like
for the love of God.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Like what was I thinking?
No, ashley.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's the power of the pause.
Yeah, it is, and I do thinkthat more people need that.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
I think that's something that you learn, though
, in age is the power of thepause.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Stop wait think I'm still working on it Stop wait,
think.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Well, I mean, honey, if we were perfect, we wouldn't
be here any longer, our jobwould be done.
Yeah, exactly, I know.
But the power of the pause,yeah, it's not easy, though,
when you're upset, or someone'shurt your child, or someone's
hurt your employee or whatever Iknow, but it's so important
because words you can't takeback.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, yes, I'm one who, like my husband, always
makes fun of me.
But like I can't, I'll say it,I'll walk away.
Then I come back with one moreThen.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
I walk away, then I come back with one more.
I walk away and the nextmorning you're like and yes,
let's continue from last night,right, you know, if I walk away,
I'm coming back.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
If I'm bad, I'm going to say something.
I'm going to come back a fewmore times.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Oh God, I just day go to sleep, get up in the morning
and the pursuers like we haveto make it right before we go to
bed.
Like that person that has tomake it right before bed.
So it's like the distance islike getting more annoyed and
the pursuers get like I'm like,oh my gosh, you have to call a
timeout and say, okay, we'llcome back tomorrow at like 10 AM

(33:34):
or 9 AM or 8 AM and like workit out.
But like they could do that allnight, long out, and they're
not satisfied until they cansleep.
But I think that that's likethat's just like.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
that's how couples are Cause, like my husband, he's
not he's not a fighter and I'mone that I have to get it up and
out.
It doesn't have to make sense.
Probably going to be crazy, butthen I feel that I'll be like
God.
I feel really good.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
How do you feel Like?
I feel like I feel so good and.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Michael will look at me and be like I'm kind of
wounded, you know, I know, andso, like that's one of the
things that I had to work onover the years is because I was,
I had to get it, that energyhad to come up Like it had to.
So now my person not that Imean knock on wood, sorry,
tricia, I bumped on the table,um, we haven't had those kinds

(34:27):
of fights in forever because welearned like, so if I get super
upset, I call my mom, yeah, andthat's like my up and out moment
.
So then Michael and I can talkabout things because he like he
doesn't like that kind of stuffand you know, like you don't
want to have that where you putthat other person in an
uncomfortable situation, justlike when he would go silent,
like you said, and be know,we're just gonna pause, and I'm
like, oh no, we're not yeah no,we're not.

(34:47):
This has to.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I got some stuff to say so that's why you have to
learn to meet the middle,because right someone who's like
we have to make this rightbefore I go to bed and there's
someone who's like I need tosleep, I gotta think about this
and do it and like do it in themorning.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
you have to figure out you're never gonna happy, so
you have to like, say like hey,so that's like setting the
alarm at like 3 am and talkingabout it Exactly yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
And be like good morning and like come together.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Okay, so I'm ready to talk.
Yeah, exactly.
Now we can talk, but I do thinkthat that's also the beauty of
age.
It's hard, especially whenyou're with your.
You Like you either.
Get it up and out or you haveto pause.
It's just finding the properway to communicate with each

(35:29):
other.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
But that's so true.
There's like you know you haveto like set a time out and say
like, hey, let's talk at thistime and instead of being like,
yeah, you're going to make memad because you keep pursuing me
and I'm going to make you madbecause I'm about to go to sleep
.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, it's so bad, I know, I just fell asleep.
Michael did that one time and Iliterally sleep without like
resolving it.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I can.
Oh my God, michael did that.
I mean seriously.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
no, this would have been in our thirties.
He did that and I literallystayed up all night going she
was almost the last date line.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's not good.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I literally remembered, not good.
I literally remember thatforever and he did and like, and
he was, god bless him.
I mean he was coaching threesports and so.
But you know, in that momentyou don't realize that and when
you're that personality like Iam, you're just and he just fell
asleep and I, I seriously theentire night I I can't believe

(36:22):
he didn't wake up Cause I waslike, but think about it If he
was that exhausted.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Having that conversation at that time would
have been disaster anyway,because he would have been like
angry and upset and, like youknow, like I'm frustrated.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
He would have popped off, which would happen if you
push too hard, but I think thatthat's the beauty.
Again, it goes back to likethat's like when you really
pause and you learn about eachother because not, I mean
partners are not going to be thesame Like that's what draws you
to it.
They, you draw, you're drawn towhat your opposite is, and a

(36:55):
lot of at least for Michael andI and which is a benefit and a
bonus, and it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
So the issue I would say in my profession, in
psychology, I would say like,okay, it's good to take the
pause, but then find a time tocome back and actually talk to
us.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
No, no, absolutely.
You can't ignore it.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
So if you pause and you just ignore it like oh,
we'll just pretend that didn'thappen, sweet no.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
You know keep doing that, but it's like you have to
resolve whatever was going on,girl, I'm not good at ignoring
anything.
You could ignore it, justsweeping it under the rug that's
not my forte.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I'm working on some stuff, though let's talk about a
serious subject really quickalright, tricia, what you got
for us would you rather, oh gosh, have smelly feet or bad breath
.
Smelly feet or bad breath, oh.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Smelly feet.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Smelly feet.
Well, it was smelly cat.
Never mind I had the song stuckout of my head, but that's
smelly cat.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I would have to say yeah, because I guess smelly
feet.
Then you just only-.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
You can hide that.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, you can hide it .

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah you, it can't really hide smelly breath.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm curious about Ashley's answer for this one.
Oh gosh, Would you rather runinto an alien or Bigfoot?

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Oh, both, it's like a dream.
Okay, with the way that thisworld is going right now, I
still and I say this all thetime I'm going to come home one
day and an alien and Bigfoot aregoing to be sitting on my back
porch and I will be thrilled.
But I will tell you this Idon't think aliens, I think
they're going to bypass theearth for a while, because we're
kind of a hot mess.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I'm just kind of hoping one of them abducts me
soon and I get a bit of rest.
You're like, I don't care, I'mhere, I'm ready, just take me.
Oh my God.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
So I want to meet both of them yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
All, All right, Trisha what about you?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I think I'd rather see an alien.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Like I think of ET.
Bigfoot scares me.
I want an ET, not a Bigfoot.
I don't really care Either one.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, doesn't really bother me, I wouldn't, but
either yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I mean, the whole Bigfoot thing is an American
kind of thing.
I don't really.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah they have.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
We I mean oh, the Loch.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Ness.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Monster yes, the Loch Ness Monster the Loch Ness.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Monster.
Okay, so what would you want todo if it was an alien Bigfoot
or Loch Ness Monster?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Nellie, I'd probably go with the alien.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
I feel, like more Well, some way to communicate.
But I kind of feel like theother two probably would.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
I mean, if it's an alien, they've been here.
I mean, Big can hardly go tothe moon, for goodness sakes, so
if they can like, come toanother planet A free spaceship
ride.
I mean seriously yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
What's Bigfoot going to do?
Can you take me to the woods?
Can you take me to the moon?
Please Take me to the moon.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Please take me away for a little while until things
kind of calm down, the Loch Nesswould be like I can take you to
the bottom into the water.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
No, we got that All agreed on the alien.
Okay, aliens, Take us away.
All right, let's see.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, what's?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
the next one.
All right, let's see.
Okay, would you rather be stuckas a character in Friends or in
Breaking Bad?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Friends, let's see, friends, I've never even saw.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Breaking Bad?
What?
Okay, uh-oh, what do you mean?
You have not seen Breaking Bad?
I have not.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Oh, I got the hang of it, this is why she did not
answer.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Oh my God, you have spent all these years on Real
Housewives and you have notwatched Walter White.
I don't even know who that is.
You need to watch Breaking Bad.
Oh yeah, well, what is it?
Okay, all right.
Oh my God, it's about a teacherwho becomes a meth maker.
Oh Lord, it's amazing, amazing.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I was just like.
This is why I love walks.
Okay, all right.
Okay, well, he and Faith arenearly finished.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Keen's watched it about three times.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Okay, all right, all right, so my homework is Sister
Wives, I'm Breaking.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Bad.
Okay, got it.
You might need sister wives tocalm down the Breaking Bad.
Breaking Bad's such a good showOkay.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
All right, got it All right.
Okay, trisha, what's the nextone?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Okay.
Would you rather make a movieabout your most embarrassing
moment or publish your diary?

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Oh Well, I don't have a diary, I don't either, but I
have a lot of embarrassingmoments I do too.
I feel like I'm the reason andI am the proof that God has a
sense of humor.
Yeah, because my embarrassingmoments anytime I feel like I
got it going, oh yeah.
You're humbled very quickly.
I am so humbled and I can justalmost hear laughter.

(41:14):
Yeah, because I don't.
No, I don't write anything down.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
I don't write anything down.
No, thank you.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
But I feel like my embarrassing moments are already
published because people seethem.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Mine thank God are not.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Oh, there's that Okay .

Speaker 2 (41:29):
There's that, there's that.
Oh, pam, what about you?
You're being quiet over there.
I know Probably an embarrassingmoment, I know.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Okay, I was thinking about our post from this week
for Middle Ages.
On Facebook and somebody wassaying about like we didn't have
, like all this evidence of usdoing whatever.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Thank you, baby Jesus .

Speaker 5 (41:49):
But somebody said like we got into a conversation
about my brother and I'm like mybrother would like turn me in
for anything Like he might aswell have been the phone that
was in my room.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
He was like your family, narc.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
And I'll never forget one time I was sneaking out of
the house and it was me and myfriend and we got out the window
and we were walking and walkingdown the driveway and suddenly
every light in the house goes on.
And we're waiting for, like,the guys to pick us up within
the driveway right, and it'slike all the lights going on the
house, I'm like, oh my god,your brother, my brother, he's
like 13 months older than me.

(42:22):
So I was like, oh gosh, what'sgoing on?
So we go back to the house andso like later I'm asking him
cause.
I was like, oh my gosh, why,like what did you tell them?
Why'd you turn me in?
He's like Pam, seriously, noone sprays their hair at like
2am.
Oh, I was like, oh, good point.
So I was like even back then,like he had the sleuth, like how
do you like know?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
what's going?

Speaker 5 (42:43):
on, Even though people didn't know, but it's
true.
Back then there were stillsigns.
There was only the olderbrother who was going to turn
you in.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Thank you, baby Jesus .
I didn't have an older brother,I was the older sister.
I was always turning my youngerbrother in.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I was always telling on him.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
I was the oldest, and my sister is so much younger
than I am.
I was 16.
She was basically 10.
So like it was completelyseparated, I mean, oh my God,
now I didn't have any older, see, and I never did anything wrong
.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Like literally, the one time I sneak out and I'm
like really, I like look back atthe house, like really the
lights are on, why and he waslike you're so stupid, no one
sprays their hair at 2am.
And I'm like like you're likeyou're so stupid, good point.
And back then you had to likeoh, honey, the aquanet, it was
not like today.
You'd be like, ah, put on a hatand go like it was like.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
No, I mean, there's these reels now of like some kid
going around in the 80s likewith a video camera and you can
see like walking down thehallways of high schools and
like it was like legit was itaquanet?
Oh, my gosh, gosh, I like again.
You know how I hate socialmedia, but these reels and
whoever this person is, it isliterally his video camera from

(43:57):
the 80s, Like he'll show 88, 89.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
And it's it's the most magical thing ever, because
we were so obnoxious with ourhair and our makeup and our
fashion.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Oh my gosh.
But now it's like a full circle, obviously like fashion.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
When.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
I see all these girls on bell bottoms.
I'm like wait what I know.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
You know what that means.
That means fluorescence.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Coming back in about five years, you're not wrong.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I know 80s.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I like warmers.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
there was a few, you know prom dresses, but I did
look at go girl you're gonnaregret that in about five years
oh, you're not wrong.
I thought the same thing, whyit was just a really unusual
style of like that I haven'tseen anywhere.
So obviously they've all seen,because they were all very
similar.
It's very um.
It was just very strange A lotof metallics that I was like,

(44:50):
like metallics, but there was alot of like.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Like sequins metallics.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
No Bo.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Peep kind of.
Like tablecloth-y looking LikeLaura Ashley, do you remember?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Laura Ashley.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yes, I love Laura Ashley Like ruffles that were
just like yeah and like yeah,very strange very hot, it was
different.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Yeah, like what?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
but it was the first time I've ever looked at dresses
and gone.
Oh, you're gonna regret this.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I can see this yeah, it's like I still love my prom
dress.
What were you thinking?

Speaker 5 (45:21):
oh yeah, but we had, do you remember, like homecoming
, you had like the like thelayers of like tulle or whatever
it is like, yeah and the likehomecoming, you had to like the
like the layers of like tool orwhatever it is Like you know,
and the like Scarlett O'Hara,like the little like.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, that would have been early, like the early 80s,
mid 80s Cause.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
I Dresses, yes, you had like, like where you sit on
it and we're like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
So we like I just remember mine was strapless, it
was black sequins and it hadlike a little like, a little bit
of like.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Just Sorry, she's probably don't have the camera
on you.
This is why, right here, ladiesand gentlemen, we do not have
the camera on me, because I'vejust shown her some gowns.
And they're so.
They are just precious.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
That is very interesting.
There's going to be a lot ofthat's like what was I thinking?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Do you know what was really sad?
Speaking of, like old styles,scott and I were in Marietta
this past weekend with Cal forbaseball and we were going
through a oh my gosh, I justtotally blanked out Antique
store.
We went through an antiquestore, oh yeah, and we were
walking through, and I realizedas we walked through that all we
talked about was oh, youremember this, do you remember
this?
And so we're freaking oldbecause everything in the
antique store we remembered Iwas like oh, my God, we just

(46:32):
went through an antique store.
That's crazy.
So yes, we're getting old.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Just know your age Getting old, so sad.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yes, okay, so my last .

Speaker 2 (46:42):
would you rather I saw it in there.
Okay, got it.
Would you rather spend the restof your life as a 20-year-old
or a 40-year-old, 20.
, 40.
I would say 40.
Yeah, I've got to have mybabies.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Well, and I feel like when, like, as I've gotten
older, like I still feel likeI'm I mean I would say now at 52
, I'm like I'm a good 35.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
But wasn't it great, though, when you were 20, like
you were so careful, like youhad no worries, and that's true,
no worries 40.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
But 40 for me was like it started to be again
carefree, but I had theknowledge.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
So like my kids were older and so, yeah, like that
was the turn for us, is that itstarted that the kids were
getting older?
That was the turn for us.
Is that it started that thekids were getting older?
Um and yeah, so we started backkind of being a little bit more
carefree and doing this stuff,but we had the knowledge of
making favorite decade of alltime.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Really what?

Speaker 4 (47:38):
The twenties, my forties, oh, I mean I seriously,
but I honestly think I mean youguys are are a couple of years
away, but fifties is even better.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yes, oh my God, the fifties are even better.
I would say twenties, withknowledge.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah, I don't want to be 20, but that's forties Like,
but that was like my fortiesand then honestly then, like,
just the icing on the cupcake at50 is even a better version of
40.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, cheers to living our best life in our
middle ages.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
We covered a lot of stuff.
Oh, and cheers to your babies.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Oh yes, Cheers to babies.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Thank you for joining the ladies of the Middle Agish
Podcast as they journey throughthe ups and downs of this not
young but definitely not oldseason of life.
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