Midjourney V7 is (Finally) Here! Was It Worth the Wait?

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What's up everybody? Mid Journey Fast Hours podcast
Mid Journey V7 edition. 7. Seven figures that you forgot.
You'd need to put them all on one hand.
We do 567 our buddy our buddy Tim Simmons over there at
Theoretically Media. I was glad he he was putting up
his thumbnail for version 7 and I was just like, dude put up it

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should just be 7 fingers. Like that scene.
You ever seen Bruce Almighty where it's like he's like, tell
me how many fingers behind your back and he's like 5 and it's
6-7 fingers? Yeah.
That was a so if you guys see a thumbnail that has seven
fingers, we might be copying himon that one.
We we might do that. Yeah, it seems like a good idea.
Yeah, man, what what? I mean all it's it's Friday, so

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we normally shoot on Fridays. We were told mid journey V7 on
Monday. Monday came and went, Tuesday
came and went, Wednesday came, office hours came.
Hey tomorrow it will happen tomorrow.
We waited all day. I received a text at 9:00 PM
from Rory Flynn. He said guess not, it's guess

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it's not happening today. I said Nope unless it's at
midnight. Sure enough both of our old
asses went to bed. We woke up with Mid Journey V7.
So here we are. And in classic mid journey
fashion, dropped it at midnight on East Coast time.
So I woke up to about, I don't know, like 500 WhatsApp messages
and it was everyone that just been generating from, you know,

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on the European side. I had just been generating like
all morning while I was asleep. And I was like, oh, OK, now we
got to get into this knowing I had a crazy day today.
We wasn't going to be able to just like, dive in.
But, you know, this is what theydo.
I also felt like last night, I felt like, you know, you know
the movie Liar Liar, which this is the second Jim Carrey
reference of the podcast. I know that movie very well.

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Second Jim Carrey reference of the podcast where you know, he
just keeps he just keeps saying he's coming to like his kids
baseball game or to some event. He just never comes.
And I'm like the kid like waiting there every day like,
oh, they're gonna they're gonna drop it today.
They didn't drop it today. Yep, whatever we have it, it's
here. Pen is blue.
I mean, when when he was slamming his head into the with

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the toilet seat when I was a kid, that might have been the
funniest thing I've ever seen. My mom hated me for.
That oh, I love that movie. It was such a it was such a good
movie. Max was the kids name Max
Dodgers. They were Dodgers, remember?
They were trying to. Jose Canseco.
And Hideo Nomo. That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great movie, all Timer probably.

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That was it. That was a classic, keeping with
our theme of of 90s movies for everyone that's been following
along between Heavyweights and Sandlot and whatever else we've
talked about on here. By the way, before we get in,
what did you think of the end ofSeverance?
Oh I loved it. Dude, I was so in Oh my God, I
there hasn't to me there hasn't been a good television show like

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this that kept me like I have noidea what's going on and like I
it's so meticulous, like everything has a purpose and
like everything has like a everything has a place.
It's so well thought out. I just haven't seen I haven't
watched a show and been like that excited about a show in a
really long time. Last thing on that for me and

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I'll let you go. I low key like going back to the
one episode a week thing, like Ihad something to look forward to
every week. It wasn't.
Like I just finished it. All and then forgot it for sure
for sure. Yeah, there's like pros and cons
to that, right? Like, yeah, you know, you're,
you're glad you got them all at once on one hand.
And then the other times it's like it.
It's nice to have like a night where nothing maybe is really

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exciting and then you remember you got that show.
Yeah, I feel like you don't like.
It yeah, but I'm, I think I'm pretty checked out.
I think I'm done actually, yeah,I think I'm done yeah.
I, you know, I felt pretty good about like season 1 I was really

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good with and then season 2, man, there were some episodes,
especially early on that felt really good.
And then they started having allthese episodes where it was just
based on one character for a while too, and.
That's how season twos normally go.
They have to like, that's like, do you watch Stranger Things?
It's like the it's like storytelling.

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One of them. You know what I mean?
Like they do like side episodes to like try to tie the whole
story together, especially the mystery.
You didn't like the side episodein when they went to like Nova
Scotia or wherever the hell it was?
I was like, not into it, but then I was into it.
Like they did. There was just two.
I don't know, man, just wasn't into it.

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I I and to be honest, like I wasasking my wife.
I was like, I don't think I don't even think I'd, I don't
even think I'd check in for season 3.
If when they come back, well, I don't know.
I think they lost me. But hey, look like we don't we
don't disagree on much, but I don't know, it's not like the
show's bad. It's just like I think the the
best part about like that, that excitement value, that show for

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me is like gone now. It's just just like.
I can hear you on that. I can.
See. You know what I mean?
But anyway, anyway, side stuff, I mean, Ben Stiller still a big
fan, still a big fan of of the Ben Stiller, you know, book of
work, you know what I mean? Like in general, love every Ben
Stiller thing. I mean, I'm just thinking about

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dude, you go back, there's so many ones that people didn't
even talk about anymore. Along came Polly.
Oh great one, dodgeball. With, with, with, with Jennifer
Aniston, a little weasel that just keeps that.
He's like a blind little weasel or ferret.
Yeah, he has IBS and he's a riskmanagement man.
And then what's the one where what's the one where he gets he

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gets married to the to the blonde chick and.
Meet the parents. No, no, no, no, no.
But like, dude, you think of that too, right?
Like you kind of forget, but like, no, it's the one where he
gets married to the blonde chickand she's like kind of like
grossing him out and stuff and man, what is that?

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I don't know that one. I know if you say it I'll know
it, but I'm not. I'm not remembering it off the
top of my head. Come on, dude, you're supposed
to be here. You're supposed to be in tune
here. What am I thinking of?
What is that guy? He's got so many it's hard to
find. Yeah, and he has, you know, and
then he has like the perfect cameos, like an anchor band when
he just comes out of nowhere. That's right.

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That's right. Como estan beaches.
Yeah. So stupid Anchorman is is
another throwback classic that'sI feel like it's overlooked
every once in a while in terms of how ridiculous it was.
Did you ever see Zoolander 2 by the way?
I did not see Zoolander 2. I haven't either.

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That's one I missed. I missed that one.
It feels like I've never heard anything about it, so I feel
like it's probably something we could have missed.
I did watch Night at the Roxburythe other night though, because
that was. Fun.
How was that? It's great again dude.
You know, what's funny is we just went through a whole little
phase with the kids too, of whatis love?
Because like, I don't know whereI saw a recent clip of Night of

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the Roxbury. This is maybe like a month and a
half ago. And I was like, oh, that song.
Like it's been a minute since I heard that song.
I bet the girls would love that song and they loved it.
So we were just playing it over and it was, it was that and the
song from heavyweights because you and I were talking about it.
I'm just a love machine and I don't work for nobody but you.

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You know. When the when the guys and the
girls are are dancing in the oh man, it's so good.
You know, we just, I, I find myself watching this stuff more
and more now from my teenage years, I guess my early teenage
years. It's just funny.
I just wanted like Severance is the first show I've had to think

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about for a while, which is probably why I think I liked it
'cause I had to like, think to watch it.
But, you know, that's not to saythat my wife was watching
Temptation Island in bed last night when I got in and I was
just like, you know, I didn't expect to watch Temptation
Island. And now I'm kind of in like a
yeah, you know, like. Yeah, that's one of those two.
That's one of those shows where I could, I could not be invested

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at all. I don't have to know who anyone
is. I don't have to.
I could just sit down and then like ask a question.
Well, it's like you, you, you'renot the one that's starting the
show. Like you would never start that
show, but if it's on, you would watch it in the background,
right? So it's so absurd.
The heartbreak kid dude. Oh, all right.
Well, I again, that's a tough one to remember off the top of
the head, but I know exactly which one you're talking about.
OK, just in case you don't. No, right?

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I remember that one. Remember this?
Yes, that's a that's a good thing.
Is that Helen Hunt in that one? Not Helen Hunt.
Michelle Monaghan. No, no.
Well, she's the she's the new love interest.
She's in white love. It's a it's a blonde girl.
Yeah, her. That's it.
That's Oh my God, that's her. That's not, that's not why did I

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say Helen Hunt? That's so off.
But she's she's in so many things, too.
She's in so many things. And.
And so was the girl we just mentioned.
Michelle Monigan's in like a bunch of stuff too.
Everything. So like, yeah, but that's a good
one, man. That's a really good one.
Eddie Cantro. Eddie Cantro.

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Look at that love. These are these are all from the
these are all from the Cantro. Yeah.
Is this what is this 2008, 2009?2007 Can you believe this dude?
We're talking almost 20 years ago now, and this was like Ben
Stiller's like golden era man. And and then this was I think

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this was one where no along came.
Polly was the one with let it rain.
Yeah, that was Philip Seymour Hoffman.
This one is Danny McBride as thebrother of the chick.
Yeah, that's right. OK.
We're forgetting. We're probably forgetting Ben
Stiller's best movie, and that'sTropic Thunder because Dan,

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Danny McBride, come on. Tropic Thunder is is the one of
the funniest movies I've ever seen in my entire life.
Robert. Downey, Oh, I don't know.
I don't know, bro. Oh.
Man, that's it's so good. Jack Black tied to a tree, you
know, detoxing from heroin, that's amazing.
It is too good. Jesus.

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Robert Downey Junior. Yeah.
RDJ but it's you know, this is this is where we this is what we
do when we're waiting for mid journey version 7 to drop we
watch. And you guys are waiting.
You guys are you guys are waiting for us.
You guys are waiting for us to talk about something.
But here here's the reality, right?
Like mid journey V7, we all werewondering what what we're what

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we're going to see when when we're when it launches.
And I think we were very excitedbecause we haven't had a new
version in a year, over a year, so long overdue there.
But like, we also knew like somethings were going to be there
right when it launched, some things weren't.
So we'll kind of like cover, youknow, the things that we know

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we're still missing that aren't quite on the site yet because
again, this is an alpha version,right?
It's not, it's not meant for this whole thing to be shipped.
Important to keep that in mind with the context of anything
that we're going to talk about today.
But you and I have both been extremely busy since midnight of
last night. So we've had limited time to
really explore, explore. But we'll kind of like share

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some of the things that we've seen so far, some of the things
that are missing, some of the things that we think are coming.
And then we can also just kind of like really figure out like,
yeah, how does this now work into the workflow with these
other added tools too, right? Like I mean, I've been using
chat GBTA lot since the last time we did our podcast, even a
week ago. And I'm sure you have too.

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In fact, I know I know you have because I've seen posts from me
too. But like, that's still blowing
my mind still. I mean the the thing there
though, it really does grind my gears that you can only do one
image at a time. And it's slow.
And slow. It's worth it, but you know,
it's just slow. It reminds me of like being on
mid journey before I upgraded tothe higher plans where I just

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had to run the relax mode. All the time, yeah.
And so I like constantly had my mobile phone with me do
something like send the prompt, put it down, come back, you
know, and then just like keep going back to it, which just
feels kind of nostalgic in a sense.
Kind of feels like comparable tothe fact like when you had dial
up Internet and you had to wait for things to load or download,

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you know, just like all that stuff.
But. Anyway, 3 three years ago is
down nostalgic, you know, like in AI, in AI, like speed
reference that it is now three years ago.
It might as well be 10 years ago, 15 years ago because it's
just it's so different. But yeah, this has been I think
I saw a lot of hate today, goingto be honest.

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Did you? I saw a lot of hate and I could
see why people would. I could see why people would be
upset. Personally, I think everyone's
just super, super like quick on the trigger with a lot of this
stuff. They're not exploring stuff,
which is why I think, you know, typically Drew and I don't like
up the updates. I know I'm not.

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I'm probably speaking on your behalf there, but I'm.
Not typically, just agree. And then we get into it and it's
been like 3 or 4 weeks and then it's like, all right, that's
this is cool. We figured this out.
Same thing, same way we were with mood boards where it was
like, all right, mood boards dropped.
And then it was like, you know, 3 weeks later we're still
talking about mood boards because we're just figuring it
out more. I mean, I think when mood board
dropped, we were just like, thisis kind of like shit, we can't
really figure this out. And then we and again, like

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there's no clear pathway on any of this stuff.
There's no black and white, right or wrong way to do
anything, which then means that you can't make the assumption
that you know exactly how to best use the tool right when you
get it. And I think that's the case
here. Look, I think we were just
talking before we got on, but like we've, we've both had

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limited time to run any images. I think I've run three images in
total in terms of like 3 different prompts since this
launch. It's just been a busy day.
However, I did have a chance to play around with some of the new
stuff, like we've got draft mode.
We'll kind of go over that, but maybe where we start to is
before you start getting into that, rank some images, you

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know, because you told me this this morning before I had a
chance to look at it. It's just like, hey, look, brand
new rating system. OK, So if you're going to run
anything on V7 brand new personalization, you need to
train it. You need to rank images.
And so while I didn't run a ton of images before this podcast,
what I did do is rank a ton of images.

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So I ranked 723 images so far. You know, I'll, I'll probably
continue to do that, you know, to somewhere between 1 and 2000
to feel good about it. And then, you know, just kind of
has to see how things go. The beauty of it though, is
right, like we're not locked in to a personalization code

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anymore. So if I go through this after
all those and I say, hey, look, it's still not where I wanted to
be. OK?
Like what lessons did I learn with the ranking of the images
this time around? Maybe we start there, Rory,
ranking images again, no clear pathway there.
What's your approach to ranking images?

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I think we have similar but alsodifferent approaches there.
Yeah. So that was my big this morning
when I got on and I was like, I probably have like 2 hours to
just like go wild and see what Ican do.
And if you, if you guys want me to be honest.
And my first my first impressions was like this kind
of sucks. Like I was just number one.

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I always feel that way, but #2 typically I'm using instead of
like dreaming up my own prompts.I'm just using older stuff that
I've liked before in the past tosee how it looks like updated
because I don't want to think. I just want to test.
And the stuff that I was gettingwas not good.
And I was like, what the fuck? And I was like, this isn't this
is like I'm having like a mild, I don't want to say like a mild

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sort of like disappointment first run, but I was like I
said, come on, I was expecting at least like equal quality to
V6. But that being said, you know,
typically these new models, theyrequire new infrastructure,
right? Like the prompting V5 different
than V4 prompting V6 different than V5 S prompting V7 is going

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to be different than V6, right? So we have to sort of adapt to
that and. We did know that they did tell
us coherence, You know, coherence was going to be
different, Prompting would be different.
But the one thing I noticed was when I looked at the actual
update from mid journey on theirwebsite is it said like first
thing listed, you know, this is the first model that would be
default run personalization on. So to me, I was like, all right,

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personalization is pretty big. Let me go make sure my
personalization codes are turnedon.
Then I realized I had to rank a whole new one.
Like I had to rank 4V7 because Idid probably like 500 images in
the in like the rating party or whatever you want.
To They didn't bring those over though.
I think they did. It's I was going to say.
Yeah. I was going to say because they,
they brought one or one or 200 over, I guess from that like

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second or third phase, right, Because those were starting to
be the seven images, whereas thefirst round in the rating party
wasn't. Yeah.
So then I was like, well, I was just rating everything in that I
want to go and like sort of finetune this now.
So yeah, but I generated about four images and I wasn't happy.
And then I was like, let me go play with my P code and I ranked

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probably 1000 images in that sitting.
I was just like, I have to get this thing good because I, I
just don't want to deal with like the nonsense of it not
being good. Yeah, again, I'm very selective
on my P code. Like I even, I just checked my
last one, I only had like 2600 rankings on that.
And that was something that I was just very selective on it.
It worked really well. So yeah, this one, I'm like, to

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me, the images are so much better in the ranking this time
that I don't have an issue as much like skipping through like
50 of them to find something that I like.
So I I did that and just as soonas I turn my P code on, those
images got better real quick. Well, so let's, let's let me let
me dig into that a little bit more.
When you're deciding what rank, what to rank and what not to

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rank, though, how how are you deciding that?
Is it purely a oh I like this image, is it oh this is
something I would prompt for? Is it something else?
Like what are what are you looking for specifically?
Part utility, part preference. So like for my global profile,

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I, you know what I, I do a lot more photo realistic than I do
anything else. So I just want that and I want
good that I don't want like juststock photo that like I'm
looking for the stuff that I would be happy with that if it
came out of my on my end. I think, OK, I'd use that
somewhere or I like the way thatlooks instead of just like
ranking everything because then it's just I don't know how that
affects it. But then I, you know, typically

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I like stuff that's super dark contrast.
We've gone over this a few times, texture, whatever.
Great. So then I typically because I I
want things that way. Majority of the time I have to
go create a second one to make it softer.
So the second one is like the second one is I, I typically do
one that's I just, I'm just ranking like animation and super
clean, like minimalistic aesthetics and like, that's it.

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And that's, you know, that one will give me my softer profile.
So I have to have like my reallygritty 1 and my real soft 1 and
I can go oftentimes mix them together and it's really nice.
So you know, you can always you can util.
Oh there was AI. Don't know if you've seen the
mood boards or the personalization tab yet in the
in the website. It's so much cleaner now and

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nicer. What do you mean gave it a
first? Oh, for the with the mood
boards. I'll pull it up.
You talking about here? I got it.
You got it. Yeah, you talking about this?
Yeah, so they changed it so it'snice now.
Like you don't. I remember there were like
little tiny images, didn't even know what your mood board was

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producing. I was like I don't even remember
what I named this, but is it weird that it kind of looks like
your Notion page or our Notion page?
Bro, doesn't it? Oh my God.
Very odd. Yellow.
This one. So if anyone's looking to, if
you haven't ranked your V72, by the way, you have to go to

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personalize, it'll be there. You have to do the V71 like V.
Seven. That's right.
That's right, yeah. The V6 codes work, your
personalizations work, It's justnot as good.
Like I was trying it with it andit's kind of screwing every
image up. They were coming out super
jacked up. So I think you're going to have
to go and re rank it. I know Drew who's done 18,000.

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I said to him this morning, I'm like, I do it.
I don't. I don't want to be the bearer of
bad news, but. 18,000 there it is so you guys know I'm not
making shit up. Oh my God.
Yeah, but yeah, so like when youland here, I mean, obviously
I've already been in here, but this is, I think, off.
You turn this on and then this is blank and then, you know, you

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want to go right in here. I I wouldn't even bother running
anything until you've done the 200 to unlock it.
It's 200 to unlock it. But yeah, anyway, like, yeah, I
actually hadn't noticed this because I didn't Scroll down
that far. So that's interesting with the
mood boards. That's nice.
I mean, it's nice. Like you don't have to Scroll
down as far. I don't know if it's like

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visually any cleaner for me. And these are these man, I'm
gonna I'm gonna pick this apart.Fuck, like more padding between
these like this is all like too tight.
This is all way too tight. And I'm on a big screen right
now yeah. So like these all run together.

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You know what I mean? Like it's there's the skin
ability is kind of tough. But anyway, yeah, so this is
interesting, right? Like maybe you want to get into
like this draft mode thing and talk about that a little bit
because yeah, you know, like nowyou've got this P here, right?
So like maybe we'll, maybe we'llstart with.
Click on that as I click on it just so just just show everyone

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now that's where you turn it on or off and then you can either
you can now it's a little bit easier of a selection now to
find it. You don't just have to like, you
know, sort of hope and pray and like go to the drop down tool
and change it every. Yeah.
Yeah, this is interesting, you know, and I think that's kind of
cool. Also one other thing I noticed
just in in my time playing with this too, is you're not going to

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have access. You have to change this to six
one to access your global. Here, Yeah.
Which is cool. I mean, like I, I get why they
did it because like if you were to select that and then run have
V7 in there, it's going to break, right?
You're just going to get a bunchof errors.
So I get that. What else has changed up here?

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I mean, the, the default here I think is, yeah, it's got mine
set at 1. So I'm going to change that
back. I was running 300 a lot on 6.
I'll have to kind of see if that's still the case for me.
Way more powerful now I think. Like this is my opinion on it.
Like I was running stuff that I was running at 809 hundred last
week and like that was way too much.

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And I think it's probably because of the the
personalization codes now might be a little bit more, might be a
little stronger. So keep that in mind.
I had to try. I was started.
I was back down in the two hundreds and three hundreds
again, like on how we were when V6 drive.
Remember how we were like V5 probably up at like 506 hundred
700 and then it was like down and then it started to get there

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as we went along. But it's I.
Wonder now you've played around with draft mode right?
So if you guys are just getting started with this or if you
haven't done it yet, the draft mode is a little bit of
something that you need to kind of toy around with.
I've only messed around with it for a few minutes.
Sounds like you maybe messed around with a little bit more.

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But you know, this was where, you know, during the office
hours in the prep in, we didn't really have an idea as to what
draft mode was fully. You know, all we were told right
was that there was going to be two models that they were going
to release that was going to onewas going to be fast, one was
going to be slow. And maybe with the idea that the
slower one's going to be higher quality fast one's going to get
you, you know, just quicker results, quick and dirty.

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So that's what draft mode is, isthe quick and dirty.
But it allows you to iterate on it.
And OK, I haven't used it on this screen yet, but this allows
you to also use voice mode to prompt.
Also a gem that they didn't evenbother talking about before,

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which is kind of like something we've been talking about for a
while. You know, the exhaustion of just
typing and typing, copy, paste, copy pasting.
Also just a new experience to create back and forth in a
conversational approach. Like we knew it was going to
have to happen at some point. This feels like the first
iteration of that. Have you played with that yet?
Were you doing any of the voice stuff yet?

(25:21):
I haven't, but is this Hold on, we have to check this now it's
available on mobile because thisthis to me changes the entire
mobile experience because I'm not typing with my two fingers
it. Was great.
Great call dude. Great call.
Check that on mobile. Let's see and.
Because that that to me changes the the whole like outlook of
mobile. I just ignored it because I'm

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like, I'm not typing all these parameters.
It's so hard to maneuver on there when you start getting
into like, oh, let me remix, letme add a style.
Let me like whatever it's, it's,it's so much easier to be at
your desktop or the laptop and do it.
Yeah, let's. See if we have create.
Yeah, and like draft mode guys, and, and just so you know, draft

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mode is not going to give you great results right away,
especially during OLD prompts. So like the first thing I went
to in my limited time is like, let me take a handful of prompts
I've run in the past. What does it say?
Here we go. Allow Mid Journey to use your
microphone. Oh wow.
So it's right if everyone can see this down on the bottom left

(26:26):
corner, this little microphone right there, I.
Guess that's crazy. So, so I, I actually wouldn't
have expected them to have that ready.
Yeah, but they do. Interesting.
So now we're talking about a newexperience all together because,
you know, they hadn't touched mobile in a while.
No, and like I rarely used it only when the I think like the
only times I've ever used it is when I'm like cuddling Faye to

(26:49):
sleep look and she's like sleeping on me and.
I'm like honestly if you were totake a split of the prompts I've
run, I would say I've done probably 40% on mobile.
Really. Yeah.
How are you just getting? Like rerun and remix.
Well, 'cause like, I just don't.There have been a lot of times
where in this addictive mid journey phase, I've been in the
car, I've been around kids or the kids are sleeping in the car

(27:11):
and I've just got my mobile or I'm waiting in line and I'm
trying to generate something like, dude.
So yeah, I mean, like, that's, that's pretty wild.
And then you and I were just talking about something that was
interesting before we we startedrecording.
But you brought up like, yeah, Imean, do they do they integrate,
you know, open AI Chachi BT intothis functionality?

(27:34):
Because how are you going to be able to do that?
And it seems like so quickly. Yeah, only because they never
mentioned anything about that. You know what I mean?
So I, I have no idea what that, if that was like a long plan or
something that we kind of got toward the end of, hey, we're
getting close to V7, this would be a great idea.
Can we pull it off? OK, well now we got it.
Yeah, and it was, it was kind oflike a flip.

(27:57):
I don't know if David was kind of like we don't want it like
the, the having like the chat function is kind of, I don't
want to say it's like cheap or like a cheap trick or something,
like something along those lines.
You know, I'm probably butchering what he said, but it
kind of felt like, oh, we've flipped and now we have sort of
like a chat feature. If you use it, you can use it
that way because it's it's interactive.
It's not like you have to type aprompt in every time.

(28:17):
So you know, you can start on this draft mode and be like
basically, you know, car enter and that's like turn the car to
the right enter. You don't have to write like the
car, car facing right. You just keep kind of like
stream of consciousness going with it, sort of like in if
anyone's using Luma, like in their dream or what's it,

(28:38):
whatever it's called, their, their, yeah.
Dreamweaver or something? Dreamweaver, yeah, something
like that where they just, it's like sort of stream of
consciousness. The same thing with Leonardo has
something very similar, but it'swhat's that say version 7 in
draft mode. Yeah, 'cause I have draft mode I
think on, do I? What does it say?

(28:58):
Why does it say that? I don't know.
Interesting. But this is all just style raw
work. Yeah style raw works OK so
here's what I was going to do just kind of messing around
while we were on here. I was going to run this as here
let me take this outside of this.

(29:19):
Let's see if it's still kind of giving me that.
I wonder why it's saying that right now I.
Don't know. Anyway, but I was you, you
brought up a really interesting point before we got in to the
studio, which was, you know, like I, I kind of forgot about
that when I just brought that up.
But it was like, OK, you can runand relax.
And you were seeing you were saying that you're getting

(29:39):
better results and relax. So kind of going back to that
point, I was talking about that slower than the fast version.
I was thinking that was going tobe in that in this, this sort of
like version of standard and draft.
That was my expectation of the slow and the fast and that's why
I got mixed up early on. But what you're saying is if you
run and relax like you're going to get different results than

(30:00):
than turbo because everything right now is defaulting to turbo
if it's in fast, which is just going to eat up more hours.
But anyway, maybe we run that asa test here, you know, let.
Me just for what I've noticed sofar.
Probably about the, I don't know, maybe I've run like 3-4
hundred images on this, but whatI've noticed is that if you are

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running in relax and you have a longer prompt that requires more
coherence, relaxes relaxes working much better than turbo.
Is there. So if anyone's familiar with the
with the video models, typicallyhow they work too, there's like
the full powerful model that might take like two or three
minutes, maybe 5 minutes to generate a video and it'll be

(30:42):
really good. Like cling is this way, but also
runway has a turbo. You know, Gen. 3 had a turbo
model and like their alpha model, their alpha model would
be a lot better quality than their turbo model in most cases
because it's just the, you know,you want it fast, you're just
going to sacrifice some quality.So that's sort of how I'm seeing
it. The turbo mode has been great
quality wise, coherence wise. To me.

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It hasn't been as as sticky as the relax mode has been.
So that's just something to takenote of.
Relax is still pretty fast to me.
It doesn't feel that slow. I think they did, if maybe maybe
I'm just imagines, but I thoughtthat I remember them mentioning
that Relax was just going to be by default, just a little bit
faster. Now, I don't know.
By the way, I tried to run, I tried to run permutations in

(31:29):
relax mode and it looks like that's gone now.
What maybe that had to do with the relax a thon?
Maybe that's why we were gettingit.
Can you? Are you?
Is it because you're in draft mode?
Is that why you can't run permutations?
Try that. I did do this in draft mode.
Isn't that weird though that once I'm out of here this is

(31:50):
gone and then I can't what remember because I I didn't have
this option you remember just a second ago.
I wonder if it's because it was on on in your create page.
These are all things that were, you know, we're finding the
little bugs here as we go. Then let's do, let's do relax.
So let's make sure these are Yep, no, can't do those, can't

(32:11):
do permutations and relax. But can you do it in turbo?
You can't do it in turbo. Yep.
All right, good to know. But.
I like rarely use relax only, but like when I was using it
during the relaxathon it was still doing it was doing
permutations. I don't know, maybe that's just
this new thing. OK.

(32:32):
So let's kind of like go in here.
So I guess, yeah, maybe this is good then because we did do I
guess these are in draft mode then?
Yeah, damn. I mean, these feel real, you
know what I mean? This looks like a photo shoot.
Raw photo draft mode. So if this is draft mode.
Let's zoom in on this and check out the fine details here, cuz I

(32:54):
think there's a lot. I mean like the skin there's,
there's a few images I got whereI'm seeing skin pores on the arm
that are in the mid ground, not even in the foreground.
I'm like, that's impressive. So like look at the this
detailing is so impressive. It is good.
It is good. That's not even upscaled.
That's draft mode right? Like see the pores on the neck

(33:14):
here and like the like the goosebumps and the the texture
on the goat real quick. Go back.
Go back, look at the look at hercollar, the fine grain on the
stitching on the on her shirt collar.
Like that's impressive. The like her symmetry, her like
the symmetrical features are so much less than they used to be
now, which is great. The fall off, look at the fall

(33:35):
off between the focus and then it's still, you could still see
the underlying texture even withthe fall off, which is that's
the real shit, yeah. Look at the look at the lips, I
mean like and skin pores and everything there.
It's great. Random moles.
Yep, everyone giving it so much.Heat for some, for some reason,

(33:56):
I think they probably just didn't, you know, give it the
right, give it the right shot because there's some insane
stuff, man, that I've had come out of it and I'm like, what the
hell. Yeah.
So now let's go back and let's let's kind of look at this in
terms of two, the stylization weput behind that because I, I ran
different levels here too. So 150 and we can kind of look

(34:17):
at these from afar, but those are the ones that we are looking
at with 150, bro, yeah. So I'm saying I think it's way
more powerful this time. So, so now you know, and then we
got into 3 so we can just kind of look at these like still
really, really good texture without, with still feeling real
here. We're getting into 450.

(34:38):
Nice. Here we're getting into 700.
Dang, like, like that's a, that's a face you would have
never gotten in V6 without, without, without prompting for
it. Like, you know, unless you were
remember we had a lot of those episodes where we were talking
about the mechanics where you almost have to like mechanically

(35:01):
describe what's happening, you know, with, with things like
facial features and this I thinkthe only thing in here is
enigmatic facial expression, right?
So that's it. Pretty good this was on This was
on Draft and Relax or Draft and Turbo.
So I think this was. I don't even know if it makes a.
Difference but I wish it I wish it if it was drafted set it

(35:22):
right here but I'm but I'm pretty sure draft was on for
these and this was the relaxed version believe.
So relax to me has been better. Now we're getting into turbo and
then maybe like just for reference, let's do the same
thing, right? Like let's get in here.

(35:43):
Let's get all up in here. Yeah.
And I mean still, still amazing,amazing check texture.
That was something that that they really started to like talk
about quite a bit toward the endon the office hours tube.
Like you might be surprised how the texture is.
I remember that was kind of, don't you remember that kind of
being like the the difference between 6:00 one and six two
like the texture component? Big time and I that was also

(36:05):
when they when they brought in Q2 and the texture got.
Better. I'm like.
You know, I'm like a texture addict, like I, I just want, I
want like all the textures, you know, because that was the
biggest, that was the biggest annoyance for me was getting
those like plastic doll looking people.
Yeah, really good. Now this this just looks like,
you know, that's that's excellent like that, even though
like the teeth are a little. Bit I was going to say.

(36:27):
Well, the teeth are screwed up. It's like, well, that makes it
look real. The perfection of the models
rely in the imperfections, yeah.And even this, I mean like just
some of the subtle bumps on the skin.
These are great. These are people.
If this is, if this is draft mode, well, this this is
actually the first prompt I've run this point really, really

(36:47):
well. Because typically when you do
draft mode, it says draft next to does it Yeah.
So this is those are relaxed. But I think the good thing to
notice that a lot of them are relaxed and turbo.
Maybe this prompt is just perfect for mid journey version
7 but the relax stuff works really well so don't like stray
away from it cuz you think it's slow.
Like it's just quality. Damn, I like these some really

(37:12):
good facial expressions in here.I mean really good ones.
Not looking directly at the camera.
Did you prompt for head positionon this or no?
Think so. Slight mouth, slightly opened.
So we talked about that talked about enigmatic facial
expression. No, that's it, right?
Like well, playful and dynamic perspective with exaggerated

(37:34):
facial features and engaging curious expressions.
So I take that back, yes, all right.
But that did that, did some shit.
I like. It so I'm digging that.
OK, so these are the ones that didn't run because can't use
permutation slow. And then yeah, so maybe we run a
draft mode too here, because this is basically the same

(37:57):
thing. Then let's take this.
Let's. Well, I guess we could do two
things right? Yeah, run the draft and then.
And maybe I'll just run those two.
But then also, right, like the thing with this draft mode is
you can just create the prompts right in here.
You can start from scratch here,right?

(38:17):
So if we just go here, you know I can just start this voice
mode. Now let's just hold on.
I was gonna say click in before we get into that too.
Just click into some of these images so you can see the
difference between draft mode and and.
Like, no, dude, because look though, I you saw that I had
draft on, right? Yeah, And now let me click in

(38:41):
here, but it's not showing up. Here is draft.
Let me. See up the top.
If you click back into it up thetop right, instead of saying
like prompt, it says draft. So like click into one of the
draft images, see there. But also like if you click, if
you like, expand one of those images.
The draft ones. It says up at the top draft like
right? Where it says but you know what?

(39:02):
This wasn't here until I clickedthis though.
That's what I mean. It has to be to be in draft
mode, you have to click draft mode.
But now you could also say like or if you click on this, right?
If you click on one of these, click end, you'll see that
that's just lesser quality than.It's like using 6.1 instead of
7, right? But still with texture.

(39:25):
Still good? Yeah.
But not as not as defined. But you can.
This is the cool thing. Though it's like less contrast,
it's almost like flat. It's almost like a raw image to
me some some ways, but it's still got some color grading in
here too. Like I that what I really caught
me off guard, like going back tobecause the one I had run before
that was really just like this one, like this was like a

(39:47):
prompt. I'd run for a while around like
macro shots and I would basically just like interchange
certain things. And like these were like, yeah,
what is this crap? You know, because like in a
previous version that that same thing would generate fire,
right? So like, like, let me just take
this. I'll give you a perfect example

(40:08):
here. Let's just go here here, you
know, like this was. Was this V6?
Attaches style reference. Yeah, and that was like the one
I had done previously, but like,I've been running that one kind
of like through models too. But anyway, I was just like,
yeah, what the hell is this shit?

(40:31):
So like I, I, you know, I got some of those two which kind of
left my head scratching. I did like just this one.
And then like even these Spider Man ones, I think I ran these in
drafts and I was like just like so washed out, you know, even
though like this has like reallygood potentials, like it's
washed out might be. Stuck.
So did. You run with file raw.

(40:52):
That's a good question. I don't know, like that's where
I like I that's where it's like,guys, it's too soon to make any
sort of conclusion, right? Like on anything, because even
if you and I were talking, right, we were just talking
about several different things here.
Let's take this off. Let's go in here.
You've got standard version, you've got draft version, you've
got fast, you've got turbo. It's 4 variations right there.

(41:17):
OK, Then you've got your profilecode, right, which is brand new.
You can create another one, you can create another one, you can
add more. You've also got all the
variables of now, how stylize reacts now, right?
So stylize probably acts differently because again, going
back to like the origin of stylization is based on how much

(41:38):
it's taking from your prompt concretely and applying it
versus like creative interpretation into whatever
that default model is. So I guess if it's
personalization, the thought is the higher the style wise, the
more your personalized personalization influences that.
I find that somewhat to be true.But what I do know to be true is

(42:00):
when you did, we didn't have personalization.
Yeah. The higher you would run it, the
more it would look like mid Journey's default model and
start to kind of like veer off course coherently too.
So I think like you add in that element of the stylization, all
those variable stops within there.
You've got a lot to play with here before you even can make
any sort of conclusion. And that's just with one prompt,

(42:21):
right? Like to really have an idea, a
referring idea or conclusion about anything, you have to run
different things. Like you can't make that
conclusion from one thing because even just now running
this feel a lot more optimistic than I did, you know, three
hours ago when I had like 20 minutes and I ran something, you
know what I mean? And it's kind.
Of like. Oh, fuck.

(42:41):
But like, give it some time. There's a lot to unpack here.
And also a lot of it's still coming, right.
And, and Rory, I mean, like we were talking about what are the
things that are missing so far? We talked you and I talked about
them offline, but let's let's let's sort of like put those on
paper for for the listeners here.
That's still that are still to come or that have already been
released. That are still to come like that

(43:03):
you can't use right now with V7.So we were talking about quality
for example. Quality is not there yet.
Doesn't isn't there yet Remix can't use remix yet Upscale.
They're using the V6 upscalers apparently.
Apparently they're so you can tell sometimes because the
creative upscaler and the subtleupscaler sometimes like it
doesn't look as good as it used to.

(43:25):
Like I came to sort of like the the upscalers out of nowhere.
I don't know what happened like in V.
Six. I was just kind.
Of like, no, they're they're doing they're doing decent, but
the what was the other thing? The pan zoom edit those all
still work. So the one thing.
Let's run them real quick. Yeah, Run it.

(43:47):
Yeah. You got all this.
I think you were saying. So remix doesn't work yet.
Remix doesn't work. You said Pan and Zoom do,
though. We were testing that, right?
Yeah. But you can use draft mode as
almost remix. We should probably do that too.
We'll run that. You can use draft mode as remix.
Yeah, in a, in a way, right. Once these are done running,

(44:09):
we'll we'll do it. I think because I was playing
with this before and it was kindof interesting.
Like it's very, it's a very different way to prompt on mid
journey than has been available before in the past.
Should should we run something on draft mode using voice just
to show people what to expect here?
Totally. What should we prompt?

(44:29):
Car. OK, here we go.
Let's see. Let's do a cinematic shot of a
wild raccoon with sunglasses riding a skateboard in a
neighborhood. The background is out of focus.

(44:53):
Oh, look at it going. So it's going while I'm doing
it. I thought it was waiting till I
finished. It keeps going.
No shit, Look at this. Pretty sure.
OK, so instead of a selfie shot,let's do a landscape wide angle
shot of the raccoon. Yeah.
It's cool. OK, so it's still got that.

(45:15):
All right, let's end this so we can just kind of analyze what I
put in here, too. So you heard what I said.
Wild raccoon wearing stylish sunglass riding a skateboard.
Landscape. Wild angle shot.
Yeah. Neighborhood background, Boco
effect, vibrant colors, motion blur, playful and rebellious
atmosphere. Like, playful and rebellious
atmosphere is kind of what I wasgoing for.
And I didn't say that. That's kind of like a nice
interpretation. So that's interesting.

(45:38):
Damn, that one's kind of cool. So here's what's interesting.
As you're in giraffe mode, get rid of the Take that prompt out
of there like. Delete the prompt like.
From the prompt bar. No, no, not from the from the
actual prompt bar. And then I'm pretty sure if you
say, like, you know, make it redsunglasses just to make it red
sunglasses, it'll keep it'll keep this sort of you don't have

(45:59):
to use the voice mode. You can just type it in too.
I think just make it make make the sunglasses red or whatever.
Let's do yellow just to make sure we're getting it and I'm
wondering OK, so I was in the actual photo that I wanted, but
I'm wondering if it's taking so it's taking that grid or that is

(46:21):
it taking the grid Read here yeah yeah.
OK, so they are net new images. It's not like it's it's not like
an in paint draft edit. It's a kind of like remix.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it's like.
It's kind of like remix without having to write, without having
to write everything over or not having to use the whole prompt
again. So I mean like if you said just

(46:42):
like, you know, black, let's make it black and white.
It's like talking to ChatGPT now, right?
Like it just it can't do text but.
Let's make Yeah, let's make the sunglasses black and the raccoon
wearing a black leather jacket with a gold chain necklace,

(47:07):
although I misspelled it, but you know.
Oh, it fixed it for me. Look at that.
Nice. So the other thing you can do
here too is if you if you hover over to the right side of the
screen, like if you hit there down at the bottom, it'll say
enhance. Yes, yes.
Oh, I'm so glad you brought thatup.
Yes. So that's only available in
draft mode as well, right, 'cause it's trying to what do we

(47:29):
think this is trying to do? Is it like it's, it's not 'cause
when I saw this, I was almost thinking of the, the AI Videogen
tools where you, you know, you hit, hit enhance and it's, I
think it's sort of like puts itsown, takes its model into
consideration and kind of like jazzes up what it thinks you're
trying to prompt for. Let's click this and see what we

(47:50):
get. And I'm wondering, does that
change the prompt at all? No, it doesn't.
So it's keeping that you're not seeing anything different.
I wonder what it's operating offof in that sense.
Is the prompt exactly the same? That's what I'm saying it's it's
the exact same. Thing oh I'm pretty sure enhance
is is like to make it the full V7 model.

(48:14):
I think it did go from like draft to like full V7.
So we're thinking like draft is what is draft like what?
What is it's own? Yeah, is it?
Is it its own version in a sense?
Yeah, it's like a, it's like a quick version to like get

(48:35):
through iterations to maybe get to something so you don't waste
all of your it's actually like anice.
I mean, if you're going to get to something pretty quick and
then you just want to instead oflike, you know, using turbo for,
you know, the 2X the cost, whichis probably fairly expensive.
I'm sure my hours are going to be much lower after today when I
look at them. But like, you know, you can see
the difference in like the texture once you get up, you

(48:57):
know, you look at this one and it's like look at the if you
click into the bottom right one,like the fine grain hair on the
top of his head too. And even on his snout, like
there's so many little hairs. Yeah, so.
It's like my favorite thing ever.
Yeah, let's go in. Let's go in here.
I'm going to turn this off for asecond.
There was the one. So here's the upscale or to your

(49:17):
point, like checking out, you know the difference here also.
I'm also like this one. I mean usually with creative and
faces, it kind of gets rid of too much of the texture.
It kind of did in the out of focus spots, but it did really

(49:38):
keep these cheeks in terms of like raw texture in here.
But you know, again, this looks like a you took like a Photoshop
kind of like Gaussian blur or something like that here versus
here. It's just less sharp.

(50:00):
Yeah, but I think it's, look, that's where you know, I, I
don't even know if you needed toupscale that, that one you had
of the original like that would also be to me.
You could also, you know, this is where I was playing around
with Magnific to see how it would translate it translate in
Magnific for the 'cause sometimes if anyone hasn't

(50:20):
played around with Magnific, toomuch texture and then putting it
into Magnific can be like overdue.
Yeah, like it's brutal, because then you got to like, how much
HDR and fractality do I need to take down here?
Yeah, it's like a -3 negative 4.It's like way too much so.
That's right. You know, just for anyone tip
for anyone who's using, you know, magnific on the side here.

(50:41):
Same thing here too, right? Creative and subtle.
So subtle creative, Subtle creative.
Yeah. Anyway, yeah, interesting.
I don't know why this just reminded me of that video of the
dude that was drinking the what?What was it the the guy that
went like mega viral? He had like the neck tattoo he

(51:02):
was drinking like. Cranberry juice on the.
Skateboard. Yeah.
God, now I can't think. Oh my God, dude, I'm having like
a total brain. Yeah, but the band though.
Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac.
Fleetwood Mac. Oh my God.
Like Jesus? Yeah, that dude made that dude
made it out of that. He got he so much out of that.

(51:25):
You couldn't, you couldn't, you couldn't write a like a college
course on authenticity and like,not show that video.
That was there was no, that was all vibes.
No, no staging, no planning. Yeah, but you can't, you can't
fake that. It was too good.
It's Oh my God. Two in the moment, that dude was
just living. But we were all jealous.

(51:46):
What, what else here like with with mid journey stuff like I
look, I we're this is going to be mid journey V7 is going to be
what we're talking about here for the next couple weeks
because there's going to be new stuff added, new changes that
are happening, new things that we're going to unlock along the
way. This is we're literally not even
24 hours in. Is there anything else that we
need to talk about today with this?

(52:06):
Because like I'm also thinking, man, we've been doing a lot of
cool stuff with the chat DBT stuff as well, you know, and
there's like been a lot of real interesting use cases even since
the last time we talked. So I mean like, I don't know is
there is there a lot of people here?
I think a lot of people are going to start to probably use

(52:26):
these two together 'cause I was even like putting some of the
mid journey version 7 stuff intoChatGPT and being like replicate
this and it like couldn't do it.Like some of the visual, like
super visual like yeah, ChatGPT is going to nail certain things.
But like, let me, I'll share some of these that I did earlier
today. Yeah, yeah.
Just so we can see a little bit more of like, you know what mid

(52:48):
journey promised, right? I think there's some good
there's some good stuff in here from like they promised, like
detailing, right? These aren't in magnific.
This is just straight up out of the mid journey upscaler.
Like some of the detailing here is insane, like super crazy
textures like intricate that youknow the papers on the desk

(53:10):
wires like even. Some not, not as many artifacts,
right? I mean, the computer actually
isn't that bad for where that would normally be miserable,
right? Like, yeah, it'd be a mess.
Super close in it looks like crap, but from far away that
looks like you know my desktop with all the files everywhere
right simple things like this one.
I was digging it like this, getting the pants, getting the

(53:33):
shirt, getting the pattern on here.
Like look at the detail in the in the plants back here too in
the background, just like the wispiness of the smoke.
Like some people might say this is like looks plastic.
I think it looks great considering like the texture in
the in the the headband like thesame stuff here.
But this one, this one is what blew my mind when I when I did

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it first thing this morning. I was like, wait, hold on, we're
getting texture and then we're getting depth like this goes.
Layers. Layers, yeah.
But even the textures up here loved it.
Same thing here, like smoosh face but also not smoosh person
like that's that's a structure of a person.
Perfectly with this. Loving this stuff man I was

(54:16):
really digging. I like dude that one right
there. The black and white 1 is insane.
Yeah, I was. I was vibing with that this
morning. Just that's insane.
Love that one. Loving it was really did these
guys were I was like OK, but this one in specific where it
got like the reflection. Down.

(54:37):
Oh yeah, yeah. Like I was like, yo, come on
with the with the X of smoke basically in the screen.
But yeah, these are just of course, you know, I did I I
sweat this stuff. I don't even know how it
conceptualizes something like this with the depth.
But regardless, I thought this one was pretty funny too.

(54:57):
Like from a realism standpoint, they, they got this one on his
on his, you know, whatever this,I don't even know what kind of
bike that is, but there's some crazy stuff.
And I think the, the two things that I'm noticing here
specifically are these intricatedetails that you can not get
with any other model. Someone please challenge me on

(55:19):
this. I'm not really seeing it
anywhere. I've tried it a million times.
Try to run this image and any other image generator without
using stuff like this as an image prompt and tell me if you
can get the level of detail and intricacy that's in here.
Not saying everyone needs this, I just don't know where you can
get it and if. Somebody.
No, It's a great point. Tell me cuz like it's good and
then even like down to the textures on the you know, onto

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the skull and like the way things are placed here.
This is at a basically at an angle and everything is here
dimensionally correct like that is this one.
This one got me. I was like this, the scale, the
intricacy. Yeah, that's dope, man.
That's dope. Oh, you know what?
Hey, one other note, we didn't bring up no character

(56:03):
consistency, not on V7 yet, not yet.
So if you guys are looking for it, it ain't there yet.
It ain't there yet. Just looking in the notes too
road map, expect new features every week or two for the next
60 days, right? So for the next two months, the
biggest incoming feature will becharacter and object reference,

(56:25):
right? So yeah, it's not here.
So if you're looking for it, it's not there.
Rory, I don't know. You saw like little some little
thumbnail the other day out of nowhere.
Little, I don't know, that was alittle guy.
I was like, it's like, did I geta special treatment?
I was like, no, is that it? Yeah, maybe you got that
treatment with the multiple moodboards that I got for like 2
days before they turned that off.
That's right. I forgot.

(56:45):
You got that. Yeah, you did have a little.
You had a special. I don't.
Know where that came from? That was wild, but.
Let's just say this, I'm happy they got something out.
Let us play with it. Let us figure it out.
There's to me, there's already so much here to play with, like
if you had just released this model or just the model and then

(57:06):
draft mode and then relax mode or or fat or turbo mode like.
It's great point. I think like I heard David say
it on on office hours the other day and like I look, I love this
thought process. Like you don't want to ship
something unless you think it's full and perfect and great.
We're used to we're used to getting piece meal now from you

(57:26):
guys, from everyone else. Like it's not the end of the
world. We just want to play with it and
look, we'll still like it. We'll still figure it out.
If I had to learn like Omni reference right now and probably
like the five. It'd be overwhelming.
Too. It's too much.
It's the same thing like I always go back to Sora's launch.
Like if Sora just launched text to video and that's it, everyone

(57:50):
could have got on board and thenwent image to video and then
like add some other stuff. Instead they want this whole
suite and everyone's like, what the hell do I do with this
thing? And it's like it's too much.
It's a really undervalued thought because that's, that's
kind of where we're at right nowwith all these tools and all
these options, you know, like your, your 1 shining moment

(58:12):
literally lasts 15 minutes. So it's almost like you need to
create more shining moments. And I'm not saying it
necessarily has to be like a weekly thing, but you're
absolutely right. Like it also has to do with
understanding how to use the tool fully.
Because if you give us 5 things and it's, and it's a different

(58:33):
way of operating from the way we've been operating, it's going
to, it's going to take us a while to figure that out.
Why not add this, you know, tearthis out, add the level of
excitement. You know, that's where one thing
that mid journey just it's not like the others where they don't
they're not drip, they're dripping things out
consistently. And I think that that's the one

(58:54):
knock on them. I would say that they could do a
better job of and I think they they've realized that hopefully
now. But you know, just a little
updates, man, the little updates.
Remember when you know mood boards and style tuner and you
know. Style reference run was the best
because it was like you got style reference and then you got

(59:14):
multiple style references and then you got style weight and
then you got the style versions that we got style codes and then
we got, you know, multiple stylecodes.
It was like that run there whereit was just something new like
every other week. And it was awesome because it
was all relevant that we were all just like, this is sick
because it kept getting better and kept getting more infinite
and then it was a character reference than it was, you know,

(59:36):
all this other stuff. So it doesn't need to.
I, I, I, I don't know if these tools understand that, like,
people are so inundated with so many other things, right?
Now that's that's rules. It's like one thing at a time,
like get the hype cycle, which Iknow they don't care about, but
get it. Let us learn it.
Next thing like you, it's like you have to like keep feeding us
like we're addicted. It's like heroin at heroin.

(01:00:00):
We, I mean, we are this, but this, this is exactly why I'm
not crushed about character consistency not being there yet.
Because like, let me, yeah, let me figure out the draft mode
stuff. Yeah, I'm going to use that and
let me figure out like my personalization, let me run
through some prompts. Let me figure out the coherence
a little bit. You know, I can wait a week or

(01:00:21):
two. You know what I mean?
I could, I probably wait three weeks, you know, just enough
time to to start generating and getting comfortable in here
because enough has changed, right?
And so, yeah, play with these things.
What about like ChatGPT man? Like, what are you using it
between now and the last time wetalked, 'cause I mean, we were,

(01:00:42):
you know, like one of the cool unlocks that we talked through
the last time and you were showing was, was really like the
visualization of providing like,you know, some elements of a
wireframe, right, to teach it. And I think like one of the
other things we unlocked was it's, you know, insert number
here X more powerful to provide some sort of reference image

(01:01:03):
than to describe it with text. So whenever you have the option
to add some sort of reference image to anything that you're
doing in there, it works a lot better.
Yeah. You know, so it's just
something, one other thing important thing to keep in mind.
But there's so many cool things you can do in there, man.
There's so many cool things. I did.
I'll see if I can pull this up here.

(01:01:23):
Let me find it. I did something for for anyone
that is in the media buying performance marketing, e-mail
marketing space. This one the other day got me
like so excited. I don't know why it's so dumb,
but it was basically I was just making gifts that I didn't know
I could do in didn't know I could do in ChatGPT, but.

(01:01:47):
It really, I think you. I think you told me that I I I
haven't even done that yet. So yeah, I was, I was taking
like a base image. I used one from Reeve because I
just thought it was simple and looked just like chat GBT's
aesthetic. And what I wanted to do was
create like a like an ad where it's like, all right, I'll just
find some review on their website.
And what does it say? You know, stylish, affordable,

(01:02:08):
fast delivery. I'm like, great, that's like the
whole value prop. I'll just throw that in there as
a, you know, as a yeah, as like the quote for the ad.
But I was like, how do I get it?Like, how do I get him to just
open his mouth? You know, that's where these are
simple things, right? But if I just go from like
single image to open mouth, it'skind of boring.
So I was like, let's, you know, let's zoom it in .5 X, let's

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zoom it in .5 X, let's zoom it in .5 X.
So each iteration was like zoom in by .5 X open the mouth by
50%. So it was like all kind of
scalable. So I would like.
OK, so you did that. You're talking about you did
that in chat, right? Yeah, so I started with this
image, right? Then I was like basically put
this, you know, increase this by.25 X the size and then open the

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mouth by 50%, right? So that you get something like
that. And then I just kept going with
that same prompt to get it from like here to here to here to
here, which I wanted it to be that way because I wanted the
face to look like it was like like someone was like zooming in
on the face after getting more excited, you could just do.
And the thing here is like not this doesn't have to be like the
one example. This is like so scalable.
Like this could be someone with you could just flip the

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sunglasses here to change the color.
So then it's just like sunglass color, sunglass color, sunglass
color, sunglass color. Or it could be the facial
expressions, you know, or it could be the outfit or it can be
whatever. So, you know, once they're all
sort of layered in there, I put the text in and then just like,
can you make a fast-paced looping GIF?
And let's make this point 35 seconds per image and then bang.

(01:03:38):
And I was like, that's so simple.
But for anyone in Myspace, you know, comes from Myspace, you
know, the GIF is just another added extension of what you're
already doing. It's not like the end all be
all. It's just another asset to test.
Works great in e-mail, works great in SMS.
If anyone even does SMS anymore,I feel like that's fell off the
zeitgeist. But like, to me, this used to be

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something that I have to put if I could never get this guy, if I
didn't have the photos of him ina different like I would have to
like doctor something or Photoshop his mouth or his whole
face to get this. So the fact that I can just ask
it for it, it's like idea to execution in less than 10
minutes, you know, seems so simple.
People just like you probably do.
This is so stupid. I'm like, well, this is things

(01:04:22):
that would have saved me like hours back when I was doing it.
So that one I don't know. I don't remember if I talked
about the the other one last time, the structuring like this.
Thing which one? Well, we, I don't know that we
saw that one. We saw the right, we did that,
the melon hat and I think it's you, you know, you kind of built

(01:04:44):
on that with this right so. This one was more complex in
terms of what it needed to do, but this one was like a stress
test. I'm just like, here's some
random ass like collage fitted and it was like, OK, it was like
and. Then and then you you did those
images in ChatGPT. No, I just gave it this and said
fill it with. I said fill it with the four

(01:05:06):
images. Top down shot extreme close up
of the. Car but you prompted in GPT.
Yes, I just, I gave it this structure, gave it this whole
prompt. See, I like the.
Four images and then here's the aesthetic that I want.
But I wouldn't have thought ChadGBT would have nailed the
cinematic coloring like that. Well, I gave it to it.

(01:05:27):
I asked it to. I gave it very specific.
Well, I see that, but. It did.
Those are gilders. So I mean, you know, I think
that's that's even another area of discovery, right?
Like just prompting straight up in Chad GBT for images.
I mean, I like, I think people have done it in isolated ad hoc

(01:05:48):
fashions as a part of something like this, right?
Where it's like a part of a project per SE.
But like the photorealism stuff,I mean, the, the structure of
the prompts that we used in Mid Journey for V6 seem to work kind
of well in there. I mean, based on that image,
that's that's kind of the kind of what you did there.
It doesn't, it like doesn't needa structure, which is great.
You can kind of just talk to it.So it's like, or you just list

(01:06:11):
details and it just sort of picks it up because it's already
that's like the that's the benefit of working with it is
it's intuitive. Because then I was talking to,
you know, throwback to another guest here.
He's talking to Phil Mags on Wednesday or yesterday actually.
And I was like, dude, we can take this and throw this.
We can take and extract the code, right?
Like we can extract the code from this.
This is great because we can do,you know, then go edit it in

(01:06:33):
another platform, whether that be, you know, in cursor or, you
know, taking it into because we were then talking about like
variation, like could we create,you know, like MCP style stuff
where we're just, you know, we have the code now and then we're
telling the MCP, you know, the MCP to Figma now what you can
do. But he was not familiar with
MCPI. Don't even I don't even know
what the hell it stands for. I just know that it's basically

(01:06:55):
like Claude controlling some other program.
And if everyone's probably like this dude is so should not be
talking on a podcast right now. But you know, I get excited.
Apparently this came into the zeitgeist like.
Three weeks ago, Bro Zeitgeist came into the Zeitgeist.
I've been using it with Zeitgeist a lot.
Because it feels, it feels like that's what it is now.

(01:07:17):
Yeah. I'm trying to, you know, I got
to get my SAT word in of. The episode you do you do, but
I'm just ashamed. It's the same one from last week
though. Did I use it last week?
Oh yeah, fuck A. 100% sorry, 100% be better, be better, do
better next time. New new word next time.
What have you been doing on here?

(01:07:39):
Well, I did some cool like I mean like I, I would say this
like nothing complex, right? Like I'm not out here making
commercials or movies guys, I'm just not I don't have the time
right now. But like, you know, just taking
a mid journey image, putting it in a runway V4, you know, so I
played with Gen. 4, you know, and another idea, Rory's got

(01:08:00):
like a banger of a custom GPT hebuilt with VO in mind.
And basically just, you know, kind of like drop this image in
and explained a few things like look, I just want, you know,
this girl just kind of like doing variable poses, you know?
And it was pretty simple. I can't remember what I put in.
That was it. And then GBT turned into a nice

(01:08:23):
little prompt for me. Threw that in a runway Gen. 4,
got some bangers right out of the gate.
For whatever reason, I kept wanting to take these glasses
off every time, even though I wasn't prompt in it.
I was like, I like, can she justleave the glasses on?
I'm cool with that. So like that was kind of fun,
you know? Like I came back to like an
image I did a while ago again, did the same thing finally, like

(01:08:46):
animated it, right? Like just kind of took an end to
Gen. 4, you know? I loved.
His laugh, by the way, So. Yeah, You know, just like then
taking the cap cut, find a nice little sound effect, be done.
You know, like, so I'm not doinganything complicated, but it's
like really fun to bring some ofthis stuff to life.
There's your cool thing here. Yeah.

(01:09:08):
That was dumb. I was just like I'm going to put
up Netflix overlay on one of my videos so it looks try to trick
people and to think it is more official than it is but.
Yeah. That's it by the.
Way so this was a this wasn't just like an image and mid
journey, but like you could do Imean you could this could very
well be Chad GBT and then I hadn't really I haven't really
been playing with cling that much, but people just keep

(01:09:29):
talking about it. So I just went in there and was
just kind of like did something really quick just to try it out.
So I did like some stuff like that.
This was kind of like the the thing that I probably spent the
most time on was like thinking about custom 3D icons because I
found like this, this cool stylethat I created and I was like, I
like this now, like, let me justbuild a whole library.

(01:09:51):
And so then it went into ChatGPTand I was like, OK, with my
brand in mind. So thinking about gold cast,
like let's think about our products.
Let's think about this and that and the other.
And then I also want these to belike funny, right?
So like I started coming up withlike really interesting ideas
like. This was like a train.
OK, yeah, like I'll show you that one.

(01:10:11):
But like, this is like, you know, transcript flexing its
muscles, you know? And I'm like, yeah, this is
dope. Right.
Like makes it so much more real.Like not it's like.
Like this is, this is, this is. Yeah.
Like this is the fine, you know,this is fine guy drinking a
coffee, you know, So like, you know, just fun stuff.
Dude. Take this pretty simple one.

(01:10:32):
I think this one's just rotating.
Yeah, it was just rotating, but you know, like just unique
icons, right, Because everybody uses the same icons, you know.
So you're thinking about like, how do you be, how do you be
different? How do you add personality to a
brand? I mean, it's like, dude, we have
the ability to do any of this shit.
Now you start with one single image and you know, again, like

(01:10:54):
this isn't anything. I don't think that crazy guys,
but just in in case like you're wondering how does that happen,
right? All you have to do is basically
find one thing, right? You've done it once, OK, then I
want you to take this exact style, right?
I want you to take this exact style and then I want you to

(01:11:16):
apply it. Well, hold on, let me Scroll
down a little bit in this exact style.
When the orange is present, you know I want to make sure it's on
brand, right? So I got that, OK, And then I
just kind of kept providing the same, you know, image or a new
image around each time. Also got my font, right?
So I ended up changing this one later to a different font style.
Did you give it an actual font name?

(01:11:36):
Yes, yes, let me. Yeah, so let me find it.
I was going to play with that because I was playing with
typography the other day. Well, I probably should post
about that I guess at some point, which was sick.
It's basically creating fonts for me.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I want to hear about that.
See, I want to hear about that. OK, so let me find the one where
I actually started getting the. But it's keeping the, it's

(01:11:59):
keeping the 2 tone Gray. Are you giving it the Gray
Pantones or just like it's keeping that 2 tone?
I, I didn't, I didn't, but I didnotice that they started to get
warmer and warmer in the background.
And then I started like prompting for that to like, Hey,
could you stop doing that? And it kind of worked, but kind
of didn't. So like, that's where it's just
like, you just got to get in here and start start messing
with this stuff. Did you?
Use a mid journey base image forthis to give it like a style

(01:12:22):
example. Or did you just prompt that?
No, I think I created the first one in here.
OK, here's the here's the font, right?
And so here's what I was doing, right.
All I was doing is I was using the same template word for word,
each chat icon of a blank in, you know, if I had the if there
was a font, which ours, you know, gold cast is owner's trial

(01:12:44):
X narrow all caps in bold did that.
And then I would just say in this exact style of attached
image where orange is present, make sure it's orange hex code
that we use. I wanted it in a 1 by 1, you
know, and then there when it waslike, OK, I don't want that one
in white, right? There you go.
But yeah, like it was nail in the font, right?
Like so then it got the font andI was like, OK, this is dope.

(01:13:06):
Because then I started kind of like really going into this, you
know, this is where it's like you're starting to create like
assets that no one else has. All right, that.
That looks very DC Brock right there.
This one I could see the the logo down on the bottom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just having fun dude.

(01:13:27):
I like that calendar one Post something.
Yeah, that's. Good.
Yeah, but I was using Chad GBT again on the other hand to
iterate what these icons were. So let me just kind of go into
that real quick while we're talking about it and it's like
go up a little bit here. No, I'm basically I'm wanting, I
want them to be creative, novel,funny, right?

(01:13:48):
And something that's intuitive that will grasp with our
product, right? And then I get into that and
look, not every idea is going tobe great, but a few of these
were great. And then I just kind of like
kept iterating back and forth. Someone's like, OK, I want them
a little bit more, you know, specific to the products, right.
And then got that right. Like you're thinking like
podcast mic wearing lip gloss, you know, like just cool ideas

(01:14:08):
that you're never going to see icons of.
And unless you're a designer, you're never you're never going
to get access to do this stuff until now.
And so like, I'm a quasi designer.
I'm a self-taught designer. I know how to do certain things,
you know, getting into Blender or, you know, Adobe Illustrator
is those aren't, that's not my jam.
You know, I don't know that. So like to be able to do this is

(01:14:31):
pretty, pretty amazing. And I just, you know, look like
maybe some people are rolling their eyes for me, though, like
the it's just getting into use cases and exploring it and
knowing how the tool can attack,you know, that particular item
that you're trying to tackle it.That's the important part.
And so, yeah, man, just had a lot of fun, you know, kind of

(01:14:54):
doing that, took this into cap, cap cut and just kind of like
put them together. But here's a here's another
thing that that Phil mentioned to me that I didn't notice when
I was generating images on ChatGPT.
He goes, he's like, I don't think it's a diffusion model.
I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, you know how when you
watch all everything else generate on every other

(01:15:14):
platform? Like it comes out of like, you
know, the TV noise and how ChatGPT renders from like top to
bottom. He's like, I feel like it's
different architecture. I was like, that's an
interesting observation. I was like, that's an
interesting one because I, I that that changes the game.
I mean, right, like if, if this opens up to API, which I think
it will, you know, you're going to have a billion use cases like

(01:15:37):
you're going to have. Unbelievable.
Every every rapper company is going to have like every rapper
business. We might as well come up with
one I'm. Dude, I'm saving every, I'm
bookmarking every new use case Isee in X just because I'm like,
I got to come back. Like I, I got to see like maybe
I didn't know that was possible or I got to like transfer myself

(01:15:59):
or whatever. But it's, it's amazing.
I mean, like I've got probably 50 to 100 bookmarks in here I
haven't even looked at yet, you know, and I'm just like, I got
to come back to this. I got to come back to this.
Because it's it's endless. I failed at something the other
day. I'm trying to remember.
Oh, I was trying to do an e-mailand I was trying to do like a
full e-mail design. Let me see if I have it, if I

(01:16:22):
can actually find it like it wasgetting.
I was getting so close, but not there.
Let's see if I have it here where so I was using this, I was
using this structure, right? So this is a good like this
might be a good like understanding of what was going
on. So I was trying to have it
create everything all at once. I'm like, can it do it?

(01:16:45):
I don't think you can, but it couldn't regardless.
But I was like, again, same sortof wireframing structure.
And then I wanted the I want I was going to give it the picture
of the bottle and I was basically like, you know, put
the little arrows and put the features here.
I popping quote CTA word on the street, bold quote testimonial,
testimonial, right? Pretty standard e-mail marketing
e-mail template. So I gave it to it and it

(01:17:07):
wouldn't render in 1/3, like oneby three.
I was like, OK, so we have to doit like this way where it's just
like, you know, I give it the, Igive it the headline or the, you
know, the hero, the hero section.
And then I give it the review section.
And it's not terrible. But again, like it, it didn't,
wasn't perfect. Like I gave it the logo, the,

(01:17:29):
the branding. Yeah, the branding's off.
This is off here. This is left justified, which I
didn't want it to do and then like asking it with so many
variables now. This is just for everyone to
know with so many variables now.And if I was just like, oh, can
you center justify this where ithas also an error here and then
like no, I like the whole thing re renders and it renders bad.

(01:17:53):
Like I also don't like the colorof the button here.
I didn't ask for that. I wanted it in a different.
I wanted it in this purple and like this part rendered pretty
damn well except for over here. This is something that I think
you could like if you want to stylize like customer feedback
or something like that. This came this came out pretty
awesome from where all I gave itwas the I just screenshotted the

(01:18:16):
texts that people wrote on the reviews and just gave it this
template and it was like bang. So, you know, it might be an
interesting way if you want to do that and.
I saw that, I saw that somebody,somebody did something like
that. And I, I thought I saved that
one too. It was very similar.
It was like, because you know, that's, that's also like another
problem, like you get these isolated, like testimonials or

(01:18:39):
feedback and you have no like you can't really fuse them
quickly into an image. And then now you could take an,
an image of your product. Let's just take Brez, right?
And then you take the review, a screenshot of your review and
say, Hey, put this into a testimonial type of wireframe
and you know, boom, right, you got it.
See the, the, The funny thing isthat like people's testimonials

(01:19:02):
and and feedback, like often times just works for ads, right?
Like that's where I pulled, that's where I pulled this one
from wherever the hell it is, you know, like stylish,
affordable, fast delivery. I'm like, that's, I don't know
how much more I need to say that's that'll work.
If someone is looking for something and you get all three
of those things like that's, that's a value prop.

(01:19:23):
So again, anyone who's, anyone who's into marketing, right, all
of your, there's so much gold inyour reviews.
You don't have any, you don't have any idea of like of like
how, how useful that stuff couldbe and how you can like retailer
it and repurpose it a million different ways.
It could basically write your marketing copy for.
Every 100% that. That's like the dream where you
don't have to come up with anything on your own, right?

(01:19:45):
You're just basically reformatting people's thoughts.
Well, even if we go back to how we started getting going on this
stuff, right, every whenever I was doing mid journey stuff and
like there was ever a comment oflike, what did you mean by this?
Or I'm not seeing that or I don't understand what this
means. I was like, that's feedback.
That's another post. So like you feed that, that's

(01:20:06):
the marketing, right? Like people don't know the
answer. What's going to be the answer?
You're you're a content, you're a content person.
Just go on social media posts, right?
Or you ask the right questions. You're going to get exactly the
answers you need to inform your decision making, right?
Like you don't have to think that hard.
Or if you're just getting started, this is a really,
really simple thing you can do if you're just getting started

(01:20:27):
creating content. I know we've probably preached
about this before in the past and maybe, you know, you're
posting stuff, you're not getting a lot of comments,
you're not getting a lot of questions.
Go on some of the bigger creators stuff and like whenever
they post something new like today with V7, like this is a
perfect opportunity. V7 yeah, you go to some of the
bigger creators posts, you'll see 7080 comments on there,

(01:20:47):
maybe more questions and it's like oh, cherry pick, cherry
pick. 100% great, great advice. Yeah, it doesn't have to be your
stuff, right? Like just surveying the
landscape, having a pulse of those other accounts because
even though you may not get the comments, they might as well be
going to you. And they chances are, they're
probably not even going to answer them.

(01:21:08):
Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's it's like opportunity
and like even me and Drew going through this today, like having
US looking at draft mode and like draft mode's a whole post
in itself, just like how draft mode works.
Because that wasn't as straightforward as it seems.
It wasn't. I mean, that's a big one, like
even just like cracking the likeeven just the functionality of

(01:21:29):
using it in the create screen and then, you know, clicking the
mic and going into the box and you know, like, yeah, I mean,
there's a lot to figure out there.
Also, like one last note on that, if you're, you know, in
mid journey, go to the updates. You know, they do do
announcements when they do have these major updates and they did
break that down. I was kind of skimming through

(01:21:49):
that as we were on this pod. But you know, sometimes there's
some little Nuggets in there right where you don't have to
just rely on maybe this podcast to point them out or, you know,
you playing around with things to point them out.
You can kind of like get some ofthe fine details in there.
Sometimes there's always like a point or two where I'm like, oh,
OK, like I'm not sure I would have known that otherwise and no

(01:22:09):
one's talking about it. So there could be some Nuggets
in there. Draft mode.
I think they did do a video on too.
Like there's like a minute long video that they they put out,
but. Yeah.
See, I never watched those And then like I realized I probably
needed to for this one because it's always like so baseline,
but there is like something likedraft mode.
We haven't even thought about 1%of the ways to use it yet.

(01:22:33):
You. Know no.
And one day we'll get office hours on the announcements, too.
That would be great, you know. Yeah, they've got the tabs
there's. Copy paste from discord.
It's only tab. That's it.
Or just have it, you know, they're, they've built a like
the most one of the most insane pieces of technology I've ever

(01:22:55):
seen. But like, could we just port
from discord post to, you know, blog post on the updates?
I mean, could we just? Yeah, yeah.
Could we ZAP that? Yeah, yeah.
Could we do something? I mean, it's not insane, guys.
Well, they they don't, I don't think they have any markers on
the team, man, so. They don't care.
I mean, you know what? These are like the little things

(01:23:16):
that are just like only because we're nerds.
We, we care. About it for sure.
But I still think they nailed this one.
I don't care what anybody says, I've I some of the stuff I'm
seeing. It's too early.
It's too early to to, to knock it like you, you have to really
know what's going to take place the next, what they said 60
days. First of all, because that's

(01:23:36):
this is alpha, right? We just shipped also, we just
talked about just 8 very like there are several variables
already that I guarantee if you're listening to this, you
probably haven't run enough experimentation on to really
know, right? It's the various number of
images. It's the personalization, it's
the stabilization stops and it'srelax turbo standard and draft.

(01:24:01):
So there's no way you've got it figured out by now.
Go deep, experiment, play. 11 last one last thing here that I
I, I forgot to bring up wanted to bring this up in the in the I
don't know, maybe in the beginning, but whatever have you
seen these new some of these newtools that are launching like
the avatar tools that are like really, really impressive, not

(01:24:24):
like the. Like which one are you thinking
of? There was one I saw on LinkedIn
yesterday and it was just, it was so good.
Hedra Hedra maybe? No, no, no.
This one's way better than those.
It's like, it's like you basically design A character.
It's like you like create a character in a game and then go
and do anything with them that you want.

(01:24:44):
And I, I have a strong opinion about this one.
I I I just wanted to see if you had a similar opinion.
Like how do you feel about AI avatars?
In I don't like them, I hate them, me.
Either I hate it. It's probably like the most
obvious, like I'm not interestedthing I've ever seen in my life,
to be honest. Yeah.
But I was like, I was saying this.

(01:25:06):
Like the AI, yeah, don't know, Imean, so I mean like how do you
separate those two in your mind of like AI avatars versus just
animating or putting lip syncingon something?
Because like I am kind of I I dolike that component right, of
like creation. But if I guess it's maybe the
application of it, Yeah, right. Like don't put this AI avatar on

(01:25:29):
and think this is going to be somebody that can just comment,
like sit alongside A blog post or you know, like transcribe
something and I'm going to sit there and listen to it.
That shit ain't happening. I I also don't, I'm not, no
matter how believable the voice is, I'm not listening to an AI
podcast. Yeah, I mean, at least at least

(01:25:53):
yet. Like I don't, I don't want to
say never, but like that that that's not happening in the next
year or two for me. Like I'm so, so not interested
in that part of it. Because I saw it and I'm like,
are, are any of these companies asking if consumers want to
listen to an AI avatar? Like does anyone want that?

(01:26:14):
And then did so this is, we had a discussion in our in this
other group chat the other day and some great points were
brought up and it was just like,it's going to be so real.
It's going to be indistinguishable soon.
I'm like, fair. But then I'm like, how far do
you have to go to keep up with the lie and or to give it some
personality? So he was like, this is where I
was getting met. I was like, they're like the

(01:26:35):
most, most people won't go and do the research.
I'm like, well, if someone's telling me to do something or is
like being super influential or I'm seeing them, I'm going to
take one step back and like Google who this person is.
Or at least like ask Rock be like who is this person?
And then if there's 0 backgroundhistory, it's going to be like,
oh, it's an AI avatar, It's made-up.

(01:26:55):
Loses all credibility. Exactly.
Do you go build LinkedIn profileand then start posting on it
with agents? Do you go start building
Wikipedia pages and like building a whole back story in a
life for a thing that doesn't exist?
I was like, this is so like, what is it like what is the end
game for having all the avatars?Is it just to be like so CEOs
don't have to go and do like appearances like and they could

(01:27:16):
just, you know, do videos and podcasts and stuff is their
avatar? Like I don't understand who
really needs it and who wants who like wants it.
Feels early, feels early for it,right, Because like you're
you're not going to maybe it's not ready for external custom.
Like maybe it's just priming. Maybe it's just priming us for,

(01:27:37):
for what's coming. Because like when you think
about I don't even like the wordrobots, but like you just think
about like maybe they're they'rerobots now that do some of these
jobs and we start seeing them regularly, right?
Maybe it's get us used to hearing non living entities with

(01:28:00):
a human. Come on.
It's like these component that that, but but at the end of the
day, though, like if you've seenany of these movies, I mean, I'm
not I know you have, but like ofcourse I have You just you just
you just know that like at the end of the day, it's still a
robot. Doesn't matter.
Yeah. So like you could you could kind
of like play that card, but like, hey, dude, wow.

(01:28:25):
We just, I just had like a childbust in on my podcast.
So that's never happened before.Come here, come here, you little
monkey. Join in.
Come here, come here, come say, come say hi to Rory real quick.
We're getting ready to wrap it up.
Who do we got we? Got Ellie grace.
Oh hey, Ellie. We're wrapping up a podcast.
I got the whole family join. What is this?
We're ripping today. I like this.

(01:28:46):
Oh my. God, Well, if anybody makes it
to the end, you're going to. Oh my.
God, we got everyone in. It's like a family portrait.
We. Got everybody that's.
Amazing, that's. Amazing.
Well, yeah, man. Good.
You hit him back. That's my girl.
That's right. We don't let any nobody hits
you, baby. Hell yeah.
All right, well. With that.

(01:29:08):
With that said. Was we can we can wrap it on
that one. Let's let's wrap it, guys.
We'll be back next week. I'm excited probably more for
next week because you and I really have time to to play with
this thing. You guys will have had time to
play with this thing. Leave some comments.
Yeah. What are you noticing?
What's your feedback so far? What questions do you have?

(01:29:31):
Did we, what do you something that is?
What do you hate? Did we say something that's
wrong? Like tell us?
We're just here to be a messenger for you guys and also
help you guys on your path here along the way.
We'll keep it real, Rory. I'll let you do your thing, man.
As always, like and subscribe, damn it.
Or just, you know what? Just like you guys crushed it
last week. By the way, whatever you did, I

(01:29:52):
don't know, liking, watching, engaging.
Maybe it was the drop. Maybe it was the drop on a
Tuesday. Maybe unexpected Tuesday.
Maybe, maybe we got the excitement factor for that one,
or just we hit the zeitgeist. I was going to say I was.
Dude, man, you spoiled it. I was going to end the show at
that, damn it. All right, well, we'll catch you

(01:30:13):
guys next week. Thanks for joining us, Rory.
Good to see you, bro. And we'll catch you guys in the
next one. Later.

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