April 5, 2024 • 50 mins
Will & Max check in about their fitness progress and chat about:
- Will's "refined turnup" at his buddy's bachelor party
- Max stanning for Ludacris in Vegas
- Breaking down Hulu's "Freaknik: The Wildest Party Never Told" documentary
- Diddy's downfall
- Learning to love the man in the mirror
#GoPack🏀 #pdiddy #fastandfurious #freaknik #ludacris #ATL #Pinehurst
Thanks for listening--keep on marauding!
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Unknown (00:06):
Welcome to Midlife Marauders with Will & Max
Hey, hey, hey, what's up?
Not that it's been a while it'sbeen a while. It's been too long
the streets are clamoring forus. Every day I get, hey, when's
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the next podcast, you knowwhat's up? Well, you know,
because we got our day jobs. Sowe got lots of things we need to
take care of. But you know, forall the listeners out there our
podcast is important to us. Sowe're gonna do it as life allows
us to do it. So here we areagain. So I think we should do a
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check in after our last podcast.
You know what, man and see wherewe're at with that. Have we made
any changes? Any differences?
What you got going on there,Max? Yeah, so if people haven't
listened our last podcast weinterviewed Ann Brennan who is a
friend of mine, and also apersonal trainer. So she gave us
a lot of great tips on what wecan do to, you know, have more
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exercise and fitness in ourlives. And for me, in
particular, I've been strugglingwith time management, so I often
don't work out. So since thattime, I've given it a lot of
thought. I've done some of whatshe said, which was like,
exercise snacking. So yeah, sothe snacking means like little
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short bursts of exercise duringthe day. So I've done more of
that. But I actually ended upquitting my gym because I don't
use it enough.
So I'm still trying to find thatexercise that I like, what
really hit home for me withtalking to her was, you know,
needing to find something that Ireally enjoyed so that I would
stick to it more and then notcommitting maybe to a whole hour
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of exercise. So I'm still tryingto sort that out. But how about
you? Yeah. So I started toget into a system or a way of
money to eat a lot healthier.
Yeah, so I mean, I think that'smore than half the battle. So
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I'm trying to eatwell, lighter, you know, just
mainly proteins and greens. Andyou're cutting back on your
sugar? Yeah, well, I've beenkind of cutting back on that for
a while. I slip up every now andagain when I order, like a mixed
drink at a bar or something likethat. But I don't drink sodas
and stuff like that at home andany of the drinks that I have
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will probably be sugar freedrinks and stuff like that.
Drinks always was a difficultpart for me. But wait, so when
did you stop? When I wasdrinking a soda? Oh,
probably about Yeah. I don'tknow. I mean, I've always kind
of curtailed it a little bit. Ialways feel bad about drinking
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soda. So I would say prettyhardcore probably about two
months ago, two or three monthsago. But yeah, I don't I don't I
don't eat a lot of likesweets and ice creams and
chocolates and stuff like sothat's not difficult to cut out.
It's mainly the drinks for me.
But yeah, I've beenlike I said, eating a lot of
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proteins and greens and stufflike that. And I have been
hitting the gym. I did run intoa little bit of a snag. About a
week ago I did something to myshoulder. So Oh no. Yeah. It
might be thinking maybe arotator cuff issue.
And I think that might havestemmed from my
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recent passion for playing golf.
Soso that has nothing to do with
go to the gym. No, no, no, no, Iwill touch on this a little bit
later. But I came back from abachelor party slash guys trip
to Pinehurst North Carolina willwe play? Oh, that's okay. Yeah,
we play golf. About that. Yeah.
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Tell me about. Yeah, it was fun.
Super fun. It was eight of us. Iwas probably the third I was the
third oldest, there was agentleman. There was a couple
years older than me, and thenthe groom's father was there.
But the other gentlemen were intheir early 40s. So we didn't it
wasn't like a super young crew.
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But yeah, we went down there. Meand two other guys. We drove the
other people flew down to anponerse is like our north of
Raleigh. And so two of usto two more, including me, we
drove down to careWe're in North Carolina. Oh,
nice. I've heard that's reallyYeah, we met up. Yeah, we met up
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with.
You remember Earl Earl, rightfrom UVA? Yes.
Shout out to Earl and kicked itwith him for a little while he
couldn't stay very long becausehe's got to, you know, family
down there. He's gonna get backto. And then we're just chilling
Carrie and Carrie is kind of iscool, but it's kind of like a
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little bit sleepy. Yeah, it's alot of I think a lot of fam.
Yeah, really good schools. I waslooking at that area. Yeah. So
we were like, Hey, we were likein bachelor party mode. So he's
like, Well, let's turn up. So wetook an Uber, down to Raleigh.
And we just asked Uber driver,hey, it was a Thursday night, by
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the way. Hey, how many peoplewere you with? I was with two
other guys. And we were meetingthe other guy's the next day. So
we Uber from carrier to Raleigh.
And we simply asked the Uberdriver, Hey, where's the party?
Where's, where's the night CNET?
So he took us to the street. Andlittle did we know it was
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it was, I guess, whereMCs in North Carolina State
students or whatever hang outat.
And we said, hey, the peoplehere look kind of young. All
right, you know, there was stilllike carding at the bar and
stuff like that. Ah, so we wentto a couple of spots. And you
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know, it was cool. And, youknow, we were doing our thing.
We went to one spot, we kind ofjust hung out by a little bit of
beer pong, blah, blah, blah. Andthen we met up with some other
people. And I took say, Let's goacross the street to this other
bar. And it was a karaoke bar.
Oh, cool. And you know, we my mything, okay. I don't actually I
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like the carry but no key bars.
I have a small room. Yeah,friends. Yeah. Now this wasn't
it. This was like a full on barwith a DJ that was doing
karaoke. So did you sing? I did,but not on the mic. So
what's the point? Well, I mean,they were playing songs that I
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know. So everybody was kind oflike doing like a little sing
along to him. But, you know, Ididn't you know, you liked it. I
like to scan the room. I'm notgoing to replace it. And, you
know, we were I was I would sayI was the oldest guy in the bar.
Because the other guy even inyour group, the, the two guys
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that I was with, they're abouteight to 10 years younger than
me. Okay, so, but their dads,you know, and all this other
stuff. So you know, it is whatit is. It's like kind of even
Yeah, you got married. Got kids.
I think that that evens out.
800%. So we're now we turn it upwith drinking. I'm scanning the
room, blah, blah, blah.
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This guy?
Right, maybe one other dude. Butthe energy was high. Right? So
everybody like we are a littlelow,
three top table or whatever. Youknow, we're drinking like
cocktails, right? And everybodyelse is drinking like, you know,
cheap beers and stuff like that.
Butyou know, the energy is high. We
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know all the words to songs, andthen people just start coming
over and flocking to us andblah, blah, blah. Next thing you
know, we had the whole barturned up. And I was I was so
proud of myselffor having the energy and
stamina. To what time was it?
Oh,this point? No, no, no, no, Max.
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We probably pulled up inRaleigh, probably like 11. So it
was probably a little Wow. So itwas probably like midnight. And
so we turn that place up, blah,blah. My buddy, my buddy. He
likes to floss a little bit. Sohe was buying like everybody
like beers upon beers uponbeers. Oh, wow. So you know,
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people are coming over and youknow, I'm not tired. Yes. I'm
like, Hey, I got me. Yeah. Andyou know, those dads are like,
Yeah, my good to go. Yeah,they're waving their family.
Yeah, the kids. So everybody wasgood. And then we want to go
into another bar.
And it was slam packed withpeople just wall a wall. And so
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these aren't dance clubs rightthere. Bars. I don't think that
kids do like dance clubsanymore. I
think the most of the dancingwas done by me. You know, like,
you go and you dance.
I think people think it's Yeah,so we went to a slam packed and
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now we're having a good time. Mybuddy's like, hey, you know, I
see one guy holding like 10beers in his house like we can
always beers from and then myblessing. I bought those beers.
I bought like 20 beers andHello. Oh no, here we go. But it
was fun, like, you know, andthen but I did hit a wall. You
know, it was around like 131 32Were you okay? Yeah, I hung in
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there as long as I could. Andthen, you know, we got to Uber
and we went back to our Airbnb.
So that was Thursday night. Sothen Friday, we had to get up
and drive toPinehurst. Okay, so that was
about an hour drive. And we getdown there and we meet up with
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the other guys.
And, you know, we're, we're inpart, it's not a big town at
all. And it's, it's just townrevolves around
the golf facility there andthere's a military base,
somewhere close to there. Okay,and so that's all that town is
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golf and military. So how manypeople were you meeting up with?
Like, what's the total waseight. So we met up with the
other five people, and includingthe groom, his brother, his
father, and, and two more of theguy, the groom's friends. And
how do you know these people? Iknow the groom by just being out
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just being around is goodbrother. I mean, good people
attract good people. And sway. Iliked people in DC area and
yeah, northern Virginia area,just just being out and just
talking, finding commoninterests. So yeah. And
so yeah, we Friday, we, wedidn't really do anything
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because we had an early tee timeon Saturday, like 730 in the
morning.
So did we go out Friday? And howold is the groom? The groom? Is
he just turned 40. He just washit might be for you. Yeah, I
think he turned 40. And it'skind of mid yeah, getting there
getting there. So like I said,None of us were yelling, none of
us were in our 20s or even 30s.
So it was nice to do a trip likethis. Where it's not a turnip
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fest. You know that even thoughyou kind of turn a little bit,
it's not like going to Vegas,you know, it's not like going to
Vegas, you know what I mean? Sothe whole
trip was revolved around playinggolf. And like I said, I
recently become addicted togolf, hence why my shoulders
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kind of messed up now. SoSaturday, we got to play golf
and it waspouring rain, but not enough to
for them is really not enoughfor them to stop people from
playing golf. So I think like ifyou go play golf locally or
whatever and local closercourses, they won't let you
allow you to play net right? Butthis is all about golf. And the
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way they've got it set up thedrain is a tourist yes a tourist
destination. Hey, go go playwith you want to be out there go
out there. So we went out thereand we probably lasted about
five holes and I was likedrenched soaked to the ball.
Okay, but no lightning, theywouldn't know they wouldn't.
So we play and five holes andthen as I waved the white towels
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I can't do this anymore. Andeverybody agrees so we went back
to the clubhouse. We got acouple of drinks and then we
went back to our world we'restaying and to stay in carry no
we're staying in piner so we'restaying right there. reserved.
Sowe had a little bit of a break.
I got cleaned up throw changeclothes and then we had another
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round of golf. Yeah, like 1:30pmso it stopped raining and
stopped raining. We were able toplay that round.
Played it and it was right atthe start of
I think the ACC tournament orwhatever so we played our golf
we ate in the clubhouse, watchsome games. It was cool. But
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then somebody said hey, let's goout and the groom was like kind
of like he can paint on her sothere was only one place to go
this one little street that haslike a couple bars.
So we went out againand the the places down there
very interesting. So we wentdown we went to this bar where
everybody told us to go and wego in there and no lie the
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ceiling was probably about sevenfeet high. It felt like you felt
like you were in somebody's likebasement or something. Yeah,
that's it because it's some oldbuilding I guess so yeah, head
to bed and I'm pretty well I'mwith some pretty tall guy so we
come in there looking like we'reavatars or something like you
know like maybe like you knowflip between our head and the
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ceiling or even less than that.
And you can kind of tell likelike the locals from my who's
there to play golf right andyou're the out of town. Yeah, we
out of towners, you know withthrowing our credit cards
everywhere we got a shot youwant to shot you want to shot so
we're doing all that you knowpeople looking at us and
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We had fun. We had fun, but itwas It wasn't too much of a turn
up a, because that's just howthe place is. And B we were it
was a golf centric trip. So Ithought it was very cool. How we
just kind of kept it mostlyabout golf. We did go out, but
we didn't get to go out toocrazy. Mainly, well, partially
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because we had early tee time.
So we had an early tee time onSunday as well, too. But I think
that's cool. Okay, so you playedthree? I think that's cool,
though. That's right. Because itwell, I guess the groom's really
in the golf, right? Yeah, he'sin the golf. And this was his
second marriage. So he had thebig Vegas.
I didn't know him back then. Sohe had all that he did all that
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before. He said, I don't wantall that anymore. I just want to
be with my girlfriends. Youknow, his father was there. His
brother was there. And I lovethat it was it was fun. But it
was restrained. It was. I hateto say I hate these uses term,
but it was age appropriate. Itwas cool. And you had a bachelor
party for yourself or somebodythrough it for you. Is that the
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kind you would want to do? Likea bachelor weekend? Well, let's
not get too great.
Since I've never been married, Iwould want the I think I would
want the typical Vegas.
Yeah, I would want the Vegas.
But I would probably do it ashalf half that and half. All
right, let's let's have a day ortwo to chill, you know, tall B,
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you know, and that sort ofthing. So I probably half and a
half is what I would say. Yeah.
Well, I went to Vegas for work.
Yeah, it was super fun. And Iheard people who went out to
karaoke there was like karaokeslash strip club.
I didn't get to go to that. Imean, I didn't hear about that
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until after Well, let me circleback just reminded me of
something when he says stripclub. Now this is the only
bachelor party I've ever been towhere there was no strip club
involvement. There is one downhow many bachelor parties have
you been to?
Probably 545, something likethat. Yeah. But we were aware of
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a strip club that was downthere. But really, it can't be
that good. It's in fine.
Some people wanted to go somepeople that we were kind of
really liked, depending on thegroom to tell us what he wanted
to do. And he, he didn't reallywant to go. So it was cool. We
didn't go to the strip club.
Yeah, maybe at a certain pointin your life to you like, yeah,
no, you're right. You're right.
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So I was kind of grateful forthat, you know, and like I said,
you know, I didn't come home,like, beat up from like partying
and, you know, hung over andstuff like that. And we drove
back Sunday.
But yeah, it was cool. It was asounds appropriate time golf
centric. People in people ourage, that's what I think we
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should do. You know, mainly ifwe're going to do stuff like
that, or refine, turn up as welllike to call it. Yeah. 100%
sounds like an awesome weekend.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it wasit was good. It was really good.
It was really good.
So Vegas was like one partyafter another. I mean, I was
there for a conference. And sothis conference is known for its
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parties. And so all thesedifferent companies kind of
compete and there's like ahappier than there's an after
party. And there's a party afterthat. So you can just keep
going. So it was super fun. Andit ended with I sent you the
video of ludicrous so so heperformed at the Mandalay Bay.
So it's like a private event.
And so you know, he's like, thisis a private event. So I can say
whatever I want, I can singwhatever I want. So it was
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pretty awesome. And I thought Iwas there. And I was like, you
know, is this really hisaudience? Because it was mostly,
they're probably people who arein their 30s. I'd say that's
probably the average age. Soyounger people.
Mostly white, I would sayprobably at least 80%. Right.
But these people knew all thewords to his song. Yeah, I was
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impressed. You know, and it wasin front of the pool at the
Mandalay Bay. It was cool. Andhe was great. You know, he had
like, one other guy with themand a DJ and he's in his 40s.
And he's Yeah, he's, he's, hewas I was really impressed,
great entertainer.
You know, and he's got like,some song and one of the March
Madness video commercials rightnow. Yeah. Did you see that?
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Like the Nissan cameras? Yeah,that's okay. I know. That's
because I just saw him. And he'sin those State Farm commercials,
too. Yes. Yeah. He's doing well.
That's funny. You say thatbecause it's super bowl right?
Yeah, he was yeah, that's funnyyou say that by Ludo because,
you know, I didn't reallyknow about his his overall
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presence. I mean, I know Floridaand you know, I love Luton love
his song, but I didn't know like100% But I did, but I didn't
know how far reaching he is.
Like you said you had the rightAnd either you have these
friends singing these songs andI remember talking to some
people of mixed races a whileago and Ludo was actually
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performing out at Charlestown.
I think it was like a year or soago. And you know, some of the
some of the Vipers, the crewlike, Oh, I love luda. I can
sing all the songs. I likeCharles Town.
And Westphalia. Yeah. And whichis probably like an hour from
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me. And yeah, so they would, youknow, clamoring to go and we
wound up not going for somereason, but it was yeah, he's,
he's far reaching eyes. He'sdefinitely is his appeals to a
lot of people. And I didn'tYeah, I didn't, I had to listen
to some of the songs like I wason Spotify. Like, okay, do I
know any of these songs? Youknow, and he's, and they're fun,
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you know, and but Well, it'sfunny to me too, is that, you
know, a lot of his lyrics arekind of, you know, considered
now very un-pc andinappropriate, right. And all
these people who are probablysaying they're so woke and stuff
like that, they're all like,didn't care.
They ate it all up, you know?
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So it's kind of interesting.
Maybe it's like, what happens inVegas?
Like, what is it like move?
Yeah, it's all kind of what'sgonna look you from your head to
your toes.
Wow, man, I shot.
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Somebody, I think that you wantto be a friend. You know, it'd
be friends. Yeah. We're friends.
We'll hang out with for sure forsure. Speaking of it, so is he
from Atlanta. He is fromAtlanta. He is from Russia. Talk
about the Freaknik documentary.
Watch the whole thing. I watchedmost of it. But
so tell me why you wanted towatch it. And why it kind of
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piqued your interest. I wantedto watch it because I never want
to throw it out there. I neverwent but the time of it.
Did you think about going tohead you heard of I hadn't heard
of it? Yes. So I heard of itkind of late, though. Probably.
Like when it was starting totail off a little bit like mid
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90s, late 90s. But I alwaysthought it was a Greek thing.
Right? Because a lot of thebeach weekends. Same thing. It's
like, it's a great. Sure. Sowhen we were in college, did you
had you heard no, I had notheard until later. But
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so and it was kind of a Greekthing because a lot of the
the HBCUs are in Atlanta or NewYork, right? Correct. So I
always thought was a great thingin a black college thing. And
that's that was the origin ofit. So I watched it because I've
heard many stories about youknow, Freaknik and, you know, I
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wanted to see what I wasmissing. And you know how they
were going to document the wholething and, and JD was Yeah, we
talked about JD popped up again.
Midlife Murata, but it was agood dog. It was a good dog. It
really took me back to thattime. Yeah, because they had the
real foot. Yeah, you could justsee how
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you can see how we used to dressand stuff like that, and the
hairstyles and, and the clothingand all that good stuff. So for
those that haven't watched itFreaknik was
a party, a spring bike partythat originated from
some HBCU students down in theAtlanta area, who wanted an
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alternative to going down toDaytona Beach or wherever, for
spring break. They were alreadythere in Atlanta. They weren't
leaving to go anywhere, even ifthey were from other places,
because that's where, you know,you know, all the college
students were. So I think it wasso I think it was like five or
six students.
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That kind of put it put ittogether. It started out as like
a little picnic and sun Park.
And you know, they put outflyers 1983, I think, correct.
So there's a little bit they'rea little bit older, correct?
Yes. So they started this littlesmall party in a park. You know,
they they held the cookout orwhatever, has some music put out
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low flyers. And it just caughtwind of the other students there
and Atlanta, and people juststarted going. And then word of
mouth. Yeah, it was a lot ofword of mouth. Oh, no, it was,
you know, from the the Greeks,the black Greeks, they're the
fraternities and the sororities.
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And then they just started goingdown there and it just became
became an event andLike, like, and there was more
me like artists. Sure started.
Sure trying to hand out theirmusic. Sure. Yeah, that would
that was because I was using itas a marketing 100%. So you
know, you will see all thesetups with like T shirts and
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all that other stuff. And theywere just waiting for people to
make money. And Live Crew. Yeah,it's almost like an East Coast
thing. Yeah, from Florida. And Iremember those days, like,
anytime, like,we would go somewhere at that
age in our 20s or whatever, wego to Miami or wherever, you
know, the music was, you know,there was no streaming service,
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it was cassette tapes, and thenlater on CDs. So the way that
you would do guerilla marketing,which is how OutKast did it for
Freaknik, they would have thesecassette tapes, and it would
just be like,like one song on one side and
snippets of another song on theother side. And they talked
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about on the documentary of,like, strip joints, that was a
way to get them use. Yeah, yeah.
That's that culture down inAtlanta, that that's how you
break in. But, you know, they,they, they came down their paths
out there, cassettes, and, youknow, you just hear the same
outcasts on every car downthere. And that's how they
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became big. But it was, it wasgood. It was a good look for the
black students and anybody elsethat came down at the time, it
was a good vibe. There was noviolence from you know, what
they talked about in thedocumentary.
Everybody was just having a goodtime hanging out. And I think
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what happened was with that isgot so big, and then non college
students started coming downthere and started changing
started to change, and they justkind of lost control of it. You
know, that it took over thewhole town. It got to a point
where you couldn't even drivearound. You would just kind of
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park your car somewhere and youwould just walk to wherever you
want to go to. Yeah, sointeresting, right? Because it's
like, totally grassroots. Yeah.
type of thing. Yeah. And theysaid it was kind of like their
Woodstock. That's exactly whatwho said that.
To Life crew guy, I forget hisname. But Uncle Luke, he said
that that was that was theirtheir Woodstock. And yeah, it
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was it was it was it was gooduntil it wasn't. And then it
kind of like devolved into.
You know, it just got out ofcontrol. All good things must
come to it. And so then did youknow people who went my and did
you? So I was looking for? Icouldn't think of anybody that
we went to school that wentlike, I don't remember any
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stories. I'm sure people did. Wegotta fight. Yeah, cuz I think
it'd be interesting. But I wasdoing a lot of like, facial
recognition, scanning. Yeah. Inthe documentary, and then I was
like, Wait a minute.
I blew my sister told me shewent down there. And sure
enough, she did. So So I calledher and she in college when she
went, Yes. Yes. So I called mysister. And I was like, Hey,
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did you go to freedom? And she'slike, why are you asking me
this?
I just saw the documentary. I'mmuch older. See? She's younger.
She's.
So she's, she's 11 months ago.
me so. Okay. She's my Irishtwin. So she's like, Yeah, we're
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okay. As I. You didn't find thatout? Yeah. So, you know, she
knows about the podcast, andit's like, well, we're gonna
talk about Freaknik on thepodcast. And like, Listen, I
don't want to know, any intimatestories about anything you might
have done down there. You know,I'm your brother, blah, blah,
blah. That was a long ago. But,you know, just give me a little
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gist of what happened. And shekind of she told her story of
her friends or girlfriends drovedown there. And it was nice. She
said, 9394. So that was right atits most popular time, the big
timer. And she went down there.
And she said, we drove down. Andwe couldn't move. Once we got
there. We couldn't move. Sopeople were just partying out in
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the street.
And, you know, dancing anddrinking, blah, blah, blah, just
having a good old time. And shesaid once the street started to
clear up, they drove all the wayback back to North Carolina. So
I was like, wow, and she's like,you know me like I don't do all
that kind of nastiness. She saysshe definitely saw some some out
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of pocket things.
In the documentary you see alot. Yeah, I mean, yeah. People
like you know them, well. We'rehaving sexual intercourse back
in the streets and stuff likethat. But she said, you know,
no, I believe my sister but shesaid no, she didn't engage none
of that illicit activity. Shesaid they were just having a
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good time.
Um, you know, just hanging outchillin and they just and they
drove back. So oh, it's I'm sureit's a good memory. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. She said, You didn't seemy face did you say? No, no,
she's she says she hadn'twatched it. She said she saw
some stuff, some clips, butshe's gonna go back and watch
it. Yeah, I definitely thinkit's worth watching because it
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to me it was like kind of ahistorical thing, you know,
because it covers so many years.
But it's also about, you know,something just that took root
that wasn't really like this bigcorporate thing. It was it was
just planned by a group ofpeople. And it turned into this
huge, right. Yeah, like yousaid, like, it was a grassroots
initiative. And it just, it justgrew. And, and like you said it
(30:43):
was it was good at one point.
And it just, you know, it allgood things can't last. So it
just, it was good. Like I said,it was nostalgic. I wish I would
have gone. I did go to DaytonaBeach for spring break. We will
talk about that another time.
But that in itself was wassomething to bow but
(31:06):
I might have fallen in love witha stripper. But we'll talk about
that.
We definitely don't want to talkabout that. No, no, no, no, no.
But back to Freaknik. I wish Icould have made that trip down
there. And it seemed like it wasa great time.
It sad how it ended. It endedbecause
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the Atlanta was awarded awardedthe Olympics in 96. And the
mayor wanted to give the city alittle better image per se. So
he kind of did some things tokind of
to make that go away. And thenit kind of like I said it
devolved into non students andolder people going down there
(31:51):
and you hear all these storiesabout, you know, some sexual
assaults and stuff like that. Soyeah, I started getting to block
it for sure. That's a shame.
That's a shame. Soyeah, yeah. Well, I wish I could
have gonewill speak in about a pocket. I
don't think we can avoid as muchlonger Max.
(32:13):
You know, our midlife brethren.
You know, who, before all thisnews came out I had a bunch of
respect for. And I don't know, Idon't know the ins and outs. I
mean, but seems like my brother.
Yeah, seems like my brother isgoing through a hard time Sean
Puffy Combs, his daddy.
(32:38):
All right, Max, give me yourperspective on this whole thing?
Well, I've heard that a lot ofblack podcasters are covering
the story. And there's like a, Idon't know if you've listened to
any of them, but just a varietyof takes on it. You know, some
people who are sympathetic andsome people who are just
laughing, right, right. Like howridiculous ridiculous it is. And
I think I kind of I didn'treally know, Cassie has
(33:00):
girlfriends, so I kind oflistened to her music and kind
of looked her up. Right. But, Imean, if it's true, it's
horrible. Right? Like, I thinkhe really took his power. He
abused his power. And his ishold on this young girl, you
know, and there's other peoplewho are involved too, right?
There's some other I don't knowif he's a producer. He got
(33:22):
involved, but you know, sextrafficking is you know, that's
crazy. Like if he felt like hecould get away with it. So I
just think Wow, talk about afall from grace and talk about
like, Do you really think you'dget away with it? You know,
well, I I do I do think hethought that he could get away
with it. If allegedly you knowto stores all he did that. He
(33:47):
did settle with her. So yes, butI'm talking about the other
allegations that he's got goingon there. Yeah, but usually if
there's more than one it's notlike like everybody's making
something up right? Yeah. Imean, no, well, there's where
there's smoke. There's fireyou know, he did have Homeland
(34:07):
Security raid his three houses.
Yeah, there was controversyabout that too. We're like why
did they do this in such an openway? Right like in the middle of
the day? You know, I don't Yeah,well, the other people they
would have done it kind of morelow key or whatever. Yeah, I'm
not an expert on raid so maybe Idon't I don't know what the
(34:28):
appropriate time of day to do itis but
it's it's interesting to me andsad.
Because this is a man I youknow, I've hold in high regard.
You know, because he's supersuper successful. Put a lot of
people over responsible formaking a lot of money for a lot
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of people. Culturally iconfashion music. What have you.
So, you know,I get it kind of breaks my heart
that, you know this this guythat's my age is going through
this.
It's crazy to me, I, I'm hearingall kinds of it's been for a
(35:13):
while and like, it's always beenkind of kind of rumors. Yeah,
there's always been, but isunsubstantiated. So you just
don't know what's true or not.
But you know, I'm hearing abouttrafficking or I'm hearing about
him having all the rooms and hishouses
bugged. And with cameras andstuff like that, and him having,
(35:36):
you know, maybe I don't knowabout extortion, but having
evidence or whatever, againstpeople and that sort of thing.
And then, you know, all theseother kinds of sexual rumors
about him and other men andstuff like that is just way out
of hand. And I just, I don'tknow, what's fact or fiction,
but it's just completely out ofpocket. And it just, it makes
(35:58):
you wonder, like somebody withthat much success and just
willing to risk it all, youknow, and throw it all away. You
know, I guess that they justthink that they're above the law
or that? Well, yeah. I mean, whydo you think, why do you think
that he would just take such bigrisks? I think, you know, and
this might not be a popularopinion.
I think thatthese men have, or these people,
(36:20):
I should say,have so much money, power
influence.
That they're narcissists, right?
And they get bored. And they geton this fix, or this high of
they need to do something moreriskier, or then the next thing
(36:43):
they do, and they just go offinto these deviant paths
sometimes, and because they feellike they can get away with
murder, or get away withwhatever they think they can buy
people off. Yes. Right. Andthat's no excuse. So not making
any excuse for him. Or you know,the the Epstein's and the
Weinstein's and all those otherpeople. But
(37:07):
I think that's where it is, Ithink it's just deviancy and it
just that, that allure of I'm sorich and powerful, and now that
much influence and I can dowhatever I want to do. And I
have money to buy people off, orI have money to, you know, the
hush people up or, or sometimeseven off people. And yeah, it's
(37:28):
just crazy. And it just that allthat stuff gets gets to your
head and just changes you as aperson. And you know, he may
have a we don't know this, buthe may have a history of mental
illness or something. So wedon't really know.
It's just I think he's got Yeah,it's just, it's just crazy. And
(37:48):
it's just as varied as he was,you know, we think he's a good
role model. Yeah. Yeah. Like thetotal office. Yeah. It was just,
it's wild. It's wild. And now,you know, I'm, I'm not a rumor
monger or anything like that.
But we you have to follow thisstory. You have to see this to
the end. You know, I don't thinkthe end is in sight, by the way,
(38:09):
I think this is gonna drag onfor a while. But from what I'm
hearing, he's never he hasn'tbeen
formally indicted or anythinglike that. So I'm curious to
see. You talked about this theraid? What was the purpose of
the raid? Yeah. You know,there's some conspiracy theory
(38:31):
theories going around thatthey didn't raid his places to
look for evidence, I'm hearingmay or may not be true, that
their new evidence was there,and they went to get it to
confiscate it to protect people.
You know, I'm saying, Would thatman have that influence? You
(38:53):
know, if he has evidence againstother people of that influence,
whether it be in government orwhatever, people are going to do
whatever they can do to protect?
You think it's a console.
Like he's working with? Yeah,I've heard that. I've heard
that. He's.
He may be a witness. I've heardthat. It's like a jet deaf.
(39:16):
Yeah. So he Yeah, he made me youknow, so we'll know. We'll see.
It's fascinating. Is this isgonna play out for a while.
Yeah, it's gonna be some BrianMurphy. Yes. Series, some some
TV series. Yeah, yes, it'sgreat. And I was at Easter
dinner last Sunday and waswith a couple of classmates and
(39:38):
another gentleman, our age andwe were talking about this and
it's just it's just crazy. Andinteresting what people's
perspectives of all this is. Andthere's one job
shout out to my buddy Seanprobably won't be listening. He
was saying how is this is notthis is only the tip.
(40:00):
For the iceberg, like, there areother people that are gonna go
go down with him. And you know,we talked about Meek Mills and
Stevie j's and otherentertainers and artists that he
is involved with. And he seemsto think that, yes, this is just
people who are complicit. Right,yeah. 100% So we'll say this. I
(40:24):
think this is the mostfascinating story
I've seen in a while. You know,I'm more in tune to this. You
know, for obvious reasons. Morethan I was with the Jeffrey
Epstein and Harvey Weinstein's,what is kind of the same ilk.
Same guns, for sure. So let'sfollow along. And let's see what
(40:44):
happens for sure.
As a mid life person, right,before I got into my 50s, I
always thought, hmm,at what age do you really start
to show that you're getting old,right?
(41:06):
And for me, it wasin your 50s. Now, I don't know
if I was like, kicking the candown the road or whatever. But
it just seemed like that seemedlike to be the age where, okay,
you're starting to take thatturn. The wrinkles are coming
in. This was when he was when Iwas young. Right? So
(41:27):
you always had that thought inmy head. So I was out with a
buddy of mine. We were out at alocal establishment here having
a couple cocktails, and acrossthe bar, and I see a gentleman
who I haven't seen in a while asprobably say, five or six years.
And he looks at me and I look athim. And you know, we say Hey,
(41:49):
What's up, buddy? Well, so I'veseen a while Allah Allah, Allah,
Allah Allah.
So we're talking and he says tome, man, you've aged
a lot. I didn't know men did.
Neither did I?
I mean, no woman would say that.
(42:12):
So I look at this job. And thisperson is like, not in your me
who would say that even somebodyin your family? Right, right,
right, right. No, they wouldsay, Oh, I see you got some
grades coming in or, you know,blah, blah, blah. They wouldn't
then they'd be like, oh, yeah,yeah, yeah.
But I looked at the gentleman. Iwas like, what?
Like, what?
Like, I had that thought, likeyou did? Like who would say
(42:35):
that? Right? Yeah. So I gatheredmy composure what little app and
I said, Well, okay, I was like,Well, I am 54 years old. I mean,
is he our age? No, he's probablyearly to mid 40s. Okay, so, so I
(42:56):
was like, Hey, man, I'll fitbefore I mean, these things
happen. Hahaha.
You gotten dressed up to go outthat day? No, no, no, I was just
wearing like a sweatshirt and ahat. You know, but you weren't
looking? Oh, no, no, like, no,no, no.
(43:16):
No, no, no, very casual.
So, you know, I kind of laughed,oh, he laughed, blah, blah, and
then went back back back to mybusiness. And so
I could not get that thought inmy head. I would dismiss
a couple of drinks and like, soI'm rash. I'm sitting there
drinking. I'm rationalizing inmy head. I was like, Okay, well,
let's break down while he wouldsay that.
(43:39):
Sounds like our last time I sawhim.
I said, Okay, I think I'm prettysure that's when I was dyeing my
beard and mustache. Right. Andprobably my hair too, but I was
wearing a hat. So you couldn'tsee my hair.
I was like, okay, yeah. Is thatsomething a lot of guys do dye
(44:00):
their dashes.
I would say about half and half.
I've known quite a few peoplethat have done some that don't.
And it's the same as hair dye.
Is it any different than hairdye? I think it's about the
same? Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's,it's, it's not an easy thing to
do. It's, that's why I stoppeddoing it. So, but yeah, I mean,
(44:23):
when the Grays were starting tocome in, I was like, I'm not
ready for that yet. So I youknow, I did the just for man,
you know, brushing the formulaand, and all that good stuff.
And, you know, you can neverreally get it right. You know,
you're not you're not aprofessional at it. So, you
know, sometimes I would missspots or sometimes days would go
(44:45):
by and I wouldn't do it. Andthen but I thought it looked
good. You know, I remember myfather called me out one day
he's like, I see. I see youdyeing your beard.
Everybody's given Yeah, soI was dyeing my beard back then.
So I was like maybe that hassomething to do with.
(45:06):
And you know, I've always beenthe kind of guy I've always
typically looked younger than myage, right? Maybe Maybe it's not
even a look, maybe it's how mypersonality and everything else.
So, so whole, the whole wholedeal. Yeah. So, I haven't seen
this guy, I haven't hung outwith him in a while, you know,
I'm, I'm dye free. You know, my,my beard is gray, my mustache,
(45:32):
my hair, blah, blah, blah,whatever. So I'll probably do
like a typical,you know, middle aged man. And
so, you know, it's like, okay, Iget it, you know, it's whatever.
But like, why would somebody saythat? No, that's all right. So
(45:52):
I, you know, as we've talkedabout in previous podcasts, I'm
a sensitive guy, but I'm lettingit. I'm letting it go. You know,
I've come to a point now, whereI looked at that man in the
mirror, and although he doesn'tlook like
the guy the age of the guy Iwant to be, it's the guy that I
am. Right. So you didn't do youdidn't change anything because
(46:14):
of that? No, no, I didn't. Imean, no. I mean, there's
nothing I know. I am that guy inthe mirror. Now I am that 54
year old man who's staring backat me and we are one we are
simpatico. So it is what it is.
Except acceptance. Yes,acceptance is the key. But
that's good. I'm not I'm notopposed to. And I'm not opposed
to people doing stuff tomake themselves look good. You
(46:41):
know, I mean, not, notnecessarily like, you know, I
mean, we all have friends thatdo Botox, who cares? But you
know, if you want to do likesome eye creams person, right, I
agree and get rid of Crow's faceand and wrinkles. You have your
skin routine? By all means Isupport all that. I mean, yeah,
I only probably need to do thatmore more myself. Do you do
(47:03):
stuff to?
Do I lookfor being like Cassie Max, I'm
gonna say Yes, Max, you do, likeyou take care of your skin and
your hair. I mean, you know, Icould definitely do more like I,
you know, I buy stuff, and thenI'll use it for a little bit.
And, you know, like, like, undereye rollers. I'm really lazy.
(47:26):
You know, I just don'tyou know, I think if I had a job
where maybe I had, or, you know,get, but I would be the person
who'd be like, Okay, maybe I'm,like a sports, like, I'm on
Friday, and somebody else has todo it, then I'm all about that.
But just doing it myself. Idon't have that time. Yeah,
it's, you know, it can be alittle time because, but I do
(47:48):
think it. I don't know, we'vehad this talk before, right?
Like, it's nice to look nice,right? It's nice to think about
what you're wearing, can I goout and put your best foot
forward right and look nice,right? And it makes you feel
more competent, feel better, butI guess there's, like, you don't
have to go the other extreme,where you feel like, oh,
everything's wrong with me. AndI want to look 20 years younger,
(48:09):
right? So I think there's, Ithink you can't let yourself go.
But at the same time, like, likeyou're saying, Love yourself the
way you are. So I think there'sa balance right? I don't think
you should let yourself go allthe way you know. And yeah,
don't let yourself go and don'tget it twisted. I still look
good. It's just I just gotta, Ijust gotta understand that my
(48:32):
looking good. Is it look good?
Good. Look for a man in his 50snot a good look for a third guy
look like I mean, I don't wantto know. Yeah, I mean, you know
what I mean? Like, like, if youhad to say, if you had time to
think about it. Do you wish youhad said something else back?
(48:52):
Like what would you have saidback? I think I think you just
wouldn't let it go. I think theway I comported myself was the
best that I could do. Now Icould have gone you know, I
could have gone severaldifferent ways with but you
know, it's like, you know what?
I'mso him. You probably don't want
him to hang out.
(49:14):
Not a close friend. He's not aguy. Anyway, he's just a guy
that I hadn't seen in a whilethat you know, we we, we we have
mutual acquaintances, and we youknow, we've hung out a couple of
times, so it's whatever, butthat's like it well, there's no
point in getting upset aboutthis or mad or fighting or, or
anything like that. It's justHey, man. Brah I'm a middle aged
(49:37):
man. I think I'm doing good formyself. So yeah, so it is what
it is. So it was a good test foryou. It was it was a good test.
It wasit was good. I'm proud of the
way I handled myself and, andthat sort of thing. But you
know, like I said, you know, youstill want to look good, but you
got to face reality as a timeand you know, for free
(50:00):
54 year old man I think I'mdoing an excellent job. So
thanks for joining us for thisepisode of midlife marauders.
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(50:20):
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Welcome to Midlife Marauders with Will & Max
Hey, hey, hey, what's up?
Not that it's been a while it'sbeen a while. It's been too long
the streets are clamoring forus. Every day I get, hey, when's
(00:30):
the next podcast, you knowwhat's up? Well, you know,
because we got our day jobs. Sowe got lots of things we need to
take care of. But you know, forall the listeners out there our
podcast is important to us. Sowe're gonna do it as life allows
us to do it. So here we areagain. So I think we should do a
(00:51):
check in after our last podcast.
You know what, man and see wherewe're at with that. Have we made
any changes? Any differences?
What you got going on there,Max? Yeah, so if people haven't
listened our last podcast weinterviewed Ann Brennan who is a
friend of mine, and also apersonal trainer. So she gave us
a lot of great tips on what wecan do to, you know, have more
(01:15):
exercise and fitness in ourlives. And for me, in
particular, I've been strugglingwith time management, so I often
don't work out. So since thattime, I've given it a lot of
thought. I've done some of whatshe said, which was like,
exercise snacking. So yeah, sothe snacking means like little
(01:38):
short bursts of exercise duringthe day. So I've done more of
that. But I actually ended upquitting my gym because I don't
use it enough.
So I'm still trying to find thatexercise that I like, what
really hit home for me withtalking to her was, you know,
needing to find something that Ireally enjoyed so that I would
stick to it more and then notcommitting maybe to a whole hour
(02:01):
of exercise. So I'm still tryingto sort that out. But how about
you? Yeah. So I started toget into a system or a way of
money to eat a lot healthier.
Yeah, so I mean, I think that'smore than half the battle. So
(02:25):
I'm trying to eatwell, lighter, you know, just
mainly proteins and greens. Andyou're cutting back on your
sugar? Yeah, well, I've beenkind of cutting back on that for
a while. I slip up every now andagain when I order, like a mixed
drink at a bar or something likethat. But I don't drink sodas
and stuff like that at home andany of the drinks that I have
(02:48):
will probably be sugar freedrinks and stuff like that.
Drinks always was a difficultpart for me. But wait, so when
did you stop? When I wasdrinking a soda? Oh,
probably about Yeah. I don'tknow. I mean, I've always kind
of curtailed it a little bit. Ialways feel bad about drinking
(03:10):
soda. So I would say prettyhardcore probably about two
months ago, two or three monthsago. But yeah, I don't I don't I
don't eat a lot of likesweets and ice creams and
chocolates and stuff like sothat's not difficult to cut out.
It's mainly the drinks for me.
But yeah, I've beenlike I said, eating a lot of
(03:31):
proteins and greens and stufflike that. And I have been
hitting the gym. I did run intoa little bit of a snag. About a
week ago I did something to myshoulder. So Oh no. Yeah. It
might be thinking maybe arotator cuff issue.
And I think that might havestemmed from my
(03:55):
recent passion for playing golf.
Soso that has nothing to do with
go to the gym. No, no, no, no, Iwill touch on this a little bit
later. But I came back from abachelor party slash guys trip
to Pinehurst North Carolina willwe play? Oh, that's okay. Yeah,
we play golf. About that. Yeah.
(04:17):
Tell me about. Yeah, it was fun.
Super fun. It was eight of us. Iwas probably the third I was the
third oldest, there was agentleman. There was a couple
years older than me, and thenthe groom's father was there.
But the other gentlemen were intheir early 40s. So we didn't it
wasn't like a super young crew.
(04:40):
But yeah, we went down there. Meand two other guys. We drove the
other people flew down to anponerse is like our north of
Raleigh. And so two of usto two more, including me, we
drove down to careWe're in North Carolina. Oh,
nice. I've heard that's reallyYeah, we met up. Yeah, we met up
(05:03):
with.
You remember Earl Earl, rightfrom UVA? Yes.
Shout out to Earl and kicked itwith him for a little while he
couldn't stay very long becausehe's got to, you know, family
down there. He's gonna get backto. And then we're just chilling
Carrie and Carrie is kind of iscool, but it's kind of like a
(05:26):
little bit sleepy. Yeah, it's alot of I think a lot of fam.
Yeah, really good schools. I waslooking at that area. Yeah. So
we were like, Hey, we were likein bachelor party mode. So he's
like, Well, let's turn up. So wetook an Uber, down to Raleigh.
And we just asked Uber driver,hey, it was a Thursday night, by
(05:49):
the way. Hey, how many peoplewere you with? I was with two
other guys. And we were meetingthe other guy's the next day. So
we Uber from carrier to Raleigh.
And we simply asked the Uberdriver, Hey, where's the party?
Where's, where's the night CNET?
So he took us to the street. Andlittle did we know it was
(06:14):
it was, I guess, whereMCs in North Carolina State
students or whatever hang outat.
And we said, hey, the peoplehere look kind of young. All
right, you know, there was stilllike carding at the bar and
stuff like that. Ah, so we wentto a couple of spots. And you
(06:34):
know, it was cool. And, youknow, we were doing our thing.
We went to one spot, we kind ofjust hung out by a little bit of
beer pong, blah, blah, blah. Andthen we met up with some other
people. And I took say, Let's goacross the street to this other
bar. And it was a karaoke bar.
Oh, cool. And you know, we my mything, okay. I don't actually I
(06:55):
like the carry but no key bars.
I have a small room. Yeah,friends. Yeah. Now this wasn't
it. This was like a full on barwith a DJ that was doing
karaoke. So did you sing? I did,but not on the mic. So
what's the point? Well, I mean,they were playing songs that I
(07:16):
know. So everybody was kind oflike doing like a little sing
along to him. But, you know, Ididn't you know, you liked it. I
like to scan the room. I'm notgoing to replace it. And, you
know, we were I was I would sayI was the oldest guy in the bar.
Because the other guy even inyour group, the, the two guys
(07:37):
that I was with, they're abouteight to 10 years younger than
me. Okay, so, but their dads,you know, and all this other
stuff. So you know, it is whatit is. It's like kind of even
Yeah, you got married. Got kids.
I think that that evens out.
800%. So we're now we turn it upwith drinking. I'm scanning the
room, blah, blah, blah.
(08:00):
This guy?
Right, maybe one other dude. Butthe energy was high. Right? So
everybody like we are a littlelow,
three top table or whatever. Youknow, we're drinking like
cocktails, right? And everybodyelse is drinking like, you know,
cheap beers and stuff like that.
Butyou know, the energy is high. We
(08:21):
know all the words to songs, andthen people just start coming
over and flocking to us andblah, blah, blah. Next thing you
know, we had the whole barturned up. And I was I was so
proud of myselffor having the energy and
stamina. To what time was it?
Oh,this point? No, no, no, no, Max.
(08:41):
We probably pulled up inRaleigh, probably like 11. So it
was probably a little Wow. So itwas probably like midnight. And
so we turn that place up, blah,blah. My buddy, my buddy. He
likes to floss a little bit. Sohe was buying like everybody
like beers upon beers uponbeers. Oh, wow. So you know,
(09:02):
people are coming over and youknow, I'm not tired. Yes. I'm
like, Hey, I got me. Yeah. Andyou know, those dads are like,
Yeah, my good to go. Yeah,they're waving their family.
Yeah, the kids. So everybody wasgood. And then we want to go
into another bar.
And it was slam packed withpeople just wall a wall. And so
(09:27):
these aren't dance clubs rightthere. Bars. I don't think that
kids do like dance clubsanymore. I
think the most of the dancingwas done by me. You know, like,
you go and you dance.
I think people think it's Yeah,so we went to a slam packed and
(09:47):
now we're having a good time. Mybuddy's like, hey, you know, I
see one guy holding like 10beers in his house like we can
always beers from and then myblessing. I bought those beers.
I bought like 20 beers andHello. Oh no, here we go. But it
was fun, like, you know, andthen but I did hit a wall. You
know, it was around like 131 32Were you okay? Yeah, I hung in
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there as long as I could. Andthen, you know, we got to Uber
and we went back to our Airbnb.
So that was Thursday night. Sothen Friday, we had to get up
and drive toPinehurst. Okay, so that was
about an hour drive. And we getdown there and we meet up with
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the other guys.
And, you know, we're, we're inpart, it's not a big town at
all. And it's, it's just townrevolves around
the golf facility there andthere's a military base,
somewhere close to there. Okay,and so that's all that town is
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golf and military. So how manypeople were you meeting up with?
Like, what's the total waseight. So we met up with the
other five people, and includingthe groom, his brother, his
father, and, and two more of theguy, the groom's friends. And
how do you know these people? Iknow the groom by just being out
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just being around is goodbrother. I mean, good people
attract good people. And sway. Iliked people in DC area and
yeah, northern Virginia area,just just being out and just
talking, finding commoninterests. So yeah. And
so yeah, we Friday, we, wedidn't really do anything
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because we had an early tee timeon Saturday, like 730 in the
morning.
So did we go out Friday? And howold is the groom? The groom? Is
he just turned 40. He just washit might be for you. Yeah, I
think he turned 40. And it'skind of mid yeah, getting there
getting there. So like I said,None of us were yelling, none of
us were in our 20s or even 30s.
So it was nice to do a trip likethis. Where it's not a turnip
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fest. You know that even thoughyou kind of turn a little bit,
it's not like going to Vegas,you know, it's not like going to
Vegas, you know what I mean? Sothe whole
trip was revolved around playinggolf. And like I said, I
recently become addicted togolf, hence why my shoulders
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kind of messed up now. SoSaturday, we got to play golf
and it waspouring rain, but not enough to
for them is really not enoughfor them to stop people from
playing golf. So I think like ifyou go play golf locally or
whatever and local closercourses, they won't let you
allow you to play net right? Butthis is all about golf. And the
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way they've got it set up thedrain is a tourist yes a tourist
destination. Hey, go go playwith you want to be out there go
out there. So we went out thereand we probably lasted about
five holes and I was likedrenched soaked to the ball.
Okay, but no lightning, theywouldn't know they wouldn't.
So we play and five holes andthen as I waved the white towels
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I can't do this anymore. Andeverybody agrees so we went back
to the clubhouse. We got acouple of drinks and then we
went back to our world we'restaying and to stay in carry no
we're staying in piner so we'restaying right there. reserved.
Sowe had a little bit of a break.
I got cleaned up throw changeclothes and then we had another
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round of golf. Yeah, like 1:30pmso it stopped raining and
stopped raining. We were able toplay that round.
Played it and it was right atthe start of
I think the ACC tournament orwhatever so we played our golf
we ate in the clubhouse, watchsome games. It was cool. But
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then somebody said hey, let's goout and the groom was like kind
of like he can paint on her sothere was only one place to go
this one little street that haslike a couple bars.
So we went out againand the the places down there
very interesting. So we wentdown we went to this bar where
everybody told us to go and wego in there and no lie the
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ceiling was probably about sevenfeet high. It felt like you felt
like you were in somebody's likebasement or something. Yeah,
that's it because it's some oldbuilding I guess so yeah, head
to bed and I'm pretty well I'mwith some pretty tall guy so we
come in there looking like we'reavatars or something like you
know like maybe like you knowflip between our head and the
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ceiling or even less than that.
And you can kind of tell likelike the locals from my who's
there to play golf right andyou're the out of town. Yeah, we
out of towners, you know withthrowing our credit cards
everywhere we got a shot youwant to shot you want to shot so
we're doing all that you knowpeople looking at us and
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We had fun. We had fun, but itwas It wasn't too much of a turn
up a, because that's just howthe place is. And B we were it
was a golf centric trip. So Ithought it was very cool. How we
just kind of kept it mostlyabout golf. We did go out, but
we didn't get to go out toocrazy. Mainly, well, partially
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because we had early tee time.
So we had an early tee time onSunday as well, too. But I think
that's cool. Okay, so you playedthree? I think that's cool,
though. That's right. Because itwell, I guess the groom's really
in the golf, right? Yeah, he'sin the golf. And this was his
second marriage. So he had thebig Vegas.
I didn't know him back then. Sohe had all that he did all that
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before. He said, I don't wantall that anymore. I just want to
be with my girlfriends. Youknow, his father was there. His
brother was there. And I lovethat it was it was fun. But it
was restrained. It was. I hateto say I hate these uses term,
but it was age appropriate. Itwas cool. And you had a bachelor
party for yourself or somebodythrough it for you. Is that the
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kind you would want to do? Likea bachelor weekend? Well, let's
not get too great.
Since I've never been married, Iwould want the I think I would
want the typical Vegas.
Yeah, I would want the Vegas.
But I would probably do it ashalf half that and half. All
right, let's let's have a day ortwo to chill, you know, tall B,
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you know, and that sort ofthing. So I probably half and a
half is what I would say. Yeah.
Well, I went to Vegas for work.
Yeah, it was super fun. And Iheard people who went out to
karaoke there was like karaokeslash strip club.
I didn't get to go to that. Imean, I didn't hear about that
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until after Well, let me circleback just reminded me of
something when he says stripclub. Now this is the only
bachelor party I've ever been towhere there was no strip club
involvement. There is one downhow many bachelor parties have
you been to?
Probably 545, something likethat. Yeah. But we were aware of
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a strip club that was downthere. But really, it can't be
that good. It's in fine.
Some people wanted to go somepeople that we were kind of
really liked, depending on thegroom to tell us what he wanted
to do. And he, he didn't reallywant to go. So it was cool. We
didn't go to the strip club.
Yeah, maybe at a certain pointin your life to you like, yeah,
no, you're right. You're right.
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So I was kind of grateful forthat, you know, and like I said,
you know, I didn't come home,like, beat up from like partying
and, you know, hung over andstuff like that. And we drove
back Sunday.
But yeah, it was cool. It was asounds appropriate time golf
centric. People in people ourage, that's what I think we
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should do. You know, mainly ifwe're going to do stuff like
that, or refine, turn up as welllike to call it. Yeah. 100%
sounds like an awesome weekend.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it wasit was good. It was really good.
It was really good.
So Vegas was like one partyafter another. I mean, I was
there for a conference. And sothis conference is known for its
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parties. And so all thesedifferent companies kind of
compete and there's like ahappier than there's an after
party. And there's a party afterthat. So you can just keep
going. So it was super fun. Andit ended with I sent you the
video of ludicrous so so heperformed at the Mandalay Bay.
So it's like a private event.
And so you know, he's like, thisis a private event. So I can say
whatever I want, I can singwhatever I want. So it was
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pretty awesome. And I thought Iwas there. And I was like, you
know, is this really hisaudience? Because it was mostly,
they're probably people who arein their 30s. I'd say that's
probably the average age. Soyounger people.
Mostly white, I would sayprobably at least 80%. Right.
But these people knew all thewords to his song. Yeah, I was
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impressed. You know, and it wasin front of the pool at the
Mandalay Bay. It was cool. Andhe was great. You know, he had
like, one other guy with themand a DJ and he's in his 40s.
And he's Yeah, he's, he's, hewas I was really impressed,
great entertainer.
You know, and he's got like,some song and one of the March
Madness video commercials rightnow. Yeah. Did you see that?
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Like the Nissan cameras? Yeah,that's okay. I know. That's
because I just saw him. And he'sin those State Farm commercials,
too. Yes. Yeah. He's doing well.
That's funny. You say thatbecause it's super bowl right?
Yeah, he was yeah, that's funnyyou say that by Ludo because,
you know, I didn't reallyknow about his his overall
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presence. I mean, I know Floridaand you know, I love Luton love
his song, but I didn't know like100% But I did, but I didn't
know how far reaching he is.
Like you said you had the rightAnd either you have these
friends singing these songs andI remember talking to some
people of mixed races a whileago and Ludo was actually
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performing out at Charlestown.
I think it was like a year or soago. And you know, some of the
some of the Vipers, the crewlike, Oh, I love luda. I can
sing all the songs. I likeCharles Town.
And Westphalia. Yeah. And whichis probably like an hour from
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me. And yeah, so they would, youknow, clamoring to go and we
wound up not going for somereason, but it was yeah, he's,
he's far reaching eyes. He'sdefinitely is his appeals to a
lot of people. And I didn'tYeah, I didn't, I had to listen
to some of the songs like I wason Spotify. Like, okay, do I
know any of these songs? Youknow, and he's, and they're fun,
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you know, and but Well, it'sfunny to me too, is that, you
know, a lot of his lyrics arekind of, you know, considered
now very un-pc andinappropriate, right. And all
these people who are probablysaying they're so woke and stuff
like that, they're all like,didn't care.
They ate it all up, you know?
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So it's kind of interesting.
Maybe it's like, what happens inVegas?
Like, what is it like move?
Yeah, it's all kind of what'sgonna look you from your head to
your toes.
Wow, man, I shot.
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Somebody, I think that you wantto be a friend. You know, it'd
be friends. Yeah. We're friends.
We'll hang out with for sure forsure. Speaking of it, so is he
from Atlanta. He is fromAtlanta. He is from Russia. Talk
about the Freaknik documentary.
Watch the whole thing. I watchedmost of it. But
so tell me why you wanted towatch it. And why it kind of
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piqued your interest. I wantedto watch it because I never want
to throw it out there. I neverwent but the time of it.
Did you think about going tohead you heard of I hadn't heard
of it? Yes. So I heard of itkind of late, though. Probably.
Like when it was starting totail off a little bit like mid
(22:14):
90s, late 90s. But I alwaysthought it was a Greek thing.
Right? Because a lot of thebeach weekends. Same thing. It's
like, it's a great. Sure. Sowhen we were in college, did you
had you heard no, I had notheard until later. But
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so and it was kind of a Greekthing because a lot of the
the HBCUs are in Atlanta or NewYork, right? Correct. So I
always thought was a great thingin a black college thing. And
that's that was the origin ofit. So I watched it because I've
heard many stories about youknow, Freaknik and, you know, I
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wanted to see what I wasmissing. And you know how they
were going to document the wholething and, and JD was Yeah, we
talked about JD popped up again.
Midlife Murata, but it was agood dog. It was a good dog. It
really took me back to thattime. Yeah, because they had the
real foot. Yeah, you could justsee how
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you can see how we used to dressand stuff like that, and the
hairstyles and, and the clothingand all that good stuff. So for
those that haven't watched itFreaknik was
a party, a spring bike partythat originated from
some HBCU students down in theAtlanta area, who wanted an
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alternative to going down toDaytona Beach or wherever, for
spring break. They were alreadythere in Atlanta. They weren't
leaving to go anywhere, even ifthey were from other places,
because that's where, you know,you know, all the college
students were. So I think it wasso I think it was like five or
six students.
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That kind of put it put ittogether. It started out as like
a little picnic and sun Park.
And you know, they put outflyers 1983, I think, correct.
So there's a little bit they'rea little bit older, correct?
Yes. So they started this littlesmall party in a park. You know,
they they held the cookout orwhatever, has some music put out
(24:30):
low flyers. And it just caughtwind of the other students there
and Atlanta, and people juststarted going. And then word of
mouth. Yeah, it was a lot ofword of mouth. Oh, no, it was,
you know, from the the Greeks,the black Greeks, they're the
fraternities and the sororities.
(24:52):
And then they just started goingdown there and it just became
became an event andLike, like, and there was more
me like artists. Sure started.
Sure trying to hand out theirmusic. Sure. Yeah, that would
that was because I was using itas a marketing 100%. So you
know, you will see all thesetups with like T shirts and
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all that other stuff. And theywere just waiting for people to
make money. And Live Crew. Yeah,it's almost like an East Coast
thing. Yeah, from Florida. And Iremember those days, like,
anytime, like,we would go somewhere at that
age in our 20s or whatever, wego to Miami or wherever, you
know, the music was, you know,there was no streaming service,
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it was cassette tapes, and thenlater on CDs. So the way that
you would do guerilla marketing,which is how OutKast did it for
Freaknik, they would have thesecassette tapes, and it would
just be like,like one song on one side and
snippets of another song on theother side. And they talked
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about on the documentary of,like, strip joints, that was a
way to get them use. Yeah, yeah.
That's that culture down inAtlanta, that that's how you
break in. But, you know, they,they, they came down their paths
out there, cassettes, and, youknow, you just hear the same
outcasts on every car downthere. And that's how they
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became big. But it was, it wasgood. It was a good look for the
black students and anybody elsethat came down at the time, it
was a good vibe. There was noviolence from you know, what
they talked about in thedocumentary.
Everybody was just having a goodtime hanging out. And I think
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what happened was with that isgot so big, and then non college
students started coming downthere and started changing
started to change, and they justkind of lost control of it. You
know, that it took over thewhole town. It got to a point
where you couldn't even drivearound. You would just kind of
(26:58):
park your car somewhere and youwould just walk to wherever you
want to go to. Yeah, sointeresting, right? Because it's
like, totally grassroots. Yeah.
type of thing. Yeah. And theysaid it was kind of like their
Woodstock. That's exactly whatwho said that.
To Life crew guy, I forget hisname. But Uncle Luke, he said
that that was that was theirtheir Woodstock. And yeah, it
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was it was it was it was gooduntil it wasn't. And then it
kind of like devolved into.
You know, it just got out ofcontrol. All good things must
come to it. And so then did youknow people who went my and did
you? So I was looking for? Icouldn't think of anybody that
we went to school that wentlike, I don't remember any
(27:42):
stories. I'm sure people did. Wegotta fight. Yeah, cuz I think
it'd be interesting. But I wasdoing a lot of like, facial
recognition, scanning. Yeah. Inthe documentary, and then I was
like, Wait a minute.
I blew my sister told me shewent down there. And sure
enough, she did. So So I calledher and she in college when she
went, Yes. Yes. So I called mysister. And I was like, Hey,
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did you go to freedom? And she'slike, why are you asking me
this?
I just saw the documentary. I'mmuch older. See? She's younger.
She's.
So she's, she's 11 months ago.
me so. Okay. She's my Irishtwin. So she's like, Yeah, we're
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okay. As I. You didn't find thatout? Yeah. So, you know, she
knows about the podcast, andit's like, well, we're gonna
talk about Freaknik on thepodcast. And like, Listen, I
don't want to know, any intimatestories about anything you might
have done down there. You know,I'm your brother, blah, blah,
blah. That was a long ago. But,you know, just give me a little
(28:54):
gist of what happened. And shekind of she told her story of
her friends or girlfriends drovedown there. And it was nice. She
said, 9394. So that was right atits most popular time, the big
timer. And she went down there.
And she said, we drove down. Andwe couldn't move. Once we got
there. We couldn't move. Sopeople were just partying out in
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the street.
And, you know, dancing anddrinking, blah, blah, blah, just
having a good old time. And shesaid once the street started to
clear up, they drove all the wayback back to North Carolina. So
I was like, wow, and she's like,you know me like I don't do all
that kind of nastiness. She saysshe definitely saw some some out
(29:37):
of pocket things.
In the documentary you see alot. Yeah, I mean, yeah. People
like you know them, well. We'rehaving sexual intercourse back
in the streets and stuff likethat. But she said, you know,
no, I believe my sister but shesaid no, she didn't engage none
of that illicit activity. Shesaid they were just having a
(29:59):
good time.
Um, you know, just hanging outchillin and they just and they
drove back. So oh, it's I'm sureit's a good memory. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. She said, You didn't seemy face did you say? No, no,
she's she says she hadn'twatched it. She said she saw
some stuff, some clips, butshe's gonna go back and watch
it. Yeah, I definitely thinkit's worth watching because it
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to me it was like kind of ahistorical thing, you know,
because it covers so many years.
But it's also about, you know,something just that took root
that wasn't really like this bigcorporate thing. It was it was
just planned by a group ofpeople. And it turned into this
huge, right. Yeah, like yousaid, like, it was a grassroots
initiative. And it just, it justgrew. And, and like you said it
(30:43):
was it was good at one point.
And it just, you know, it allgood things can't last. So it
just, it was good. Like I said,it was nostalgic. I wish I would
have gone. I did go to DaytonaBeach for spring break. We will
talk about that another time.
But that in itself was wassomething to bow but
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I might have fallen in love witha stripper. But we'll talk about
that.
We definitely don't want to talkabout that. No, no, no, no, no.
But back to Freaknik. I wish Icould have made that trip down
there. And it seemed like it wasa great time.
It sad how it ended. It endedbecause
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the Atlanta was awarded awardedthe Olympics in 96. And the
mayor wanted to give the city alittle better image per se. So
he kind of did some things tokind of
to make that go away. And thenit kind of like I said it
devolved into non students andolder people going down there
(31:51):
and you hear all these storiesabout, you know, some sexual
assaults and stuff like that. Soyeah, I started getting to block
it for sure. That's a shame.
That's a shame. Soyeah, yeah. Well, I wish I could
have gonewill speak in about a pocket. I
don't think we can avoid as muchlonger Max.
(32:13):
You know, our midlife brethren.
You know, who, before all thisnews came out I had a bunch of
respect for. And I don't know, Idon't know the ins and outs. I
mean, but seems like my brother.
Yeah, seems like my brother isgoing through a hard time Sean
Puffy Combs, his daddy.
(32:38):
All right, Max, give me yourperspective on this whole thing?
Well, I've heard that a lot ofblack podcasters are covering
the story. And there's like a, Idon't know if you've listened to
any of them, but just a varietyof takes on it. You know, some
people who are sympathetic andsome people who are just
laughing, right, right. Like howridiculous ridiculous it is. And
I think I kind of I didn'treally know, Cassie has
(33:00):
girlfriends, so I kind oflistened to her music and kind
of looked her up. Right. But, Imean, if it's true, it's
horrible. Right? Like, I thinkhe really took his power. He
abused his power. And his ishold on this young girl, you
know, and there's other peoplewho are involved too, right?
There's some other I don't knowif he's a producer. He got
(33:22):
involved, but you know, sextrafficking is you know, that's
crazy. Like if he felt like hecould get away with it. So I
just think Wow, talk about afall from grace and talk about
like, Do you really think you'dget away with it? You know,
well, I I do I do think hethought that he could get away
with it. If allegedly you knowto stores all he did that. He
(33:47):
did settle with her. So yes, butI'm talking about the other
allegations that he's got goingon there. Yeah, but usually if
there's more than one it's notlike like everybody's making
something up right? Yeah. Imean, no, well, there's where
there's smoke. There's fireyou know, he did have Homeland
(34:07):
Security raid his three houses.
Yeah, there was controversyabout that too. We're like why
did they do this in such an openway? Right like in the middle of
the day? You know, I don't Yeah,well, the other people they
would have done it kind of morelow key or whatever. Yeah, I'm
not an expert on raid so maybe Idon't I don't know what the
(34:28):
appropriate time of day to do itis but
it's it's interesting to me andsad.
Because this is a man I youknow, I've hold in high regard.
You know, because he's supersuper successful. Put a lot of
people over responsible formaking a lot of money for a lot
(34:50):
of people. Culturally iconfashion music. What have you.
So, you know,I get it kind of breaks my heart
that, you know this this guythat's my age is going through
this.
It's crazy to me, I, I'm hearingall kinds of it's been for a
(35:13):
while and like, it's always beenkind of kind of rumors. Yeah,
there's always been, but isunsubstantiated. So you just
don't know what's true or not.
But you know, I'm hearing abouttrafficking or I'm hearing about
him having all the rooms and hishouses
bugged. And with cameras andstuff like that, and him having,
(35:36):
you know, maybe I don't knowabout extortion, but having
evidence or whatever, againstpeople and that sort of thing.
And then, you know, all theseother kinds of sexual rumors
about him and other men andstuff like that is just way out
of hand. And I just, I don'tknow, what's fact or fiction,
but it's just completely out ofpocket. And it just, it makes
(35:58):
you wonder, like somebody withthat much success and just
willing to risk it all, youknow, and throw it all away. You
know, I guess that they justthink that they're above the law
or that? Well, yeah. I mean, whydo you think, why do you think
that he would just take such bigrisks? I think, you know, and
this might not be a popularopinion.
I think thatthese men have, or these people,
(36:20):
I should say,have so much money, power
influence.
That they're narcissists, right?
And they get bored. And they geton this fix, or this high of
they need to do something moreriskier, or then the next thing
(36:43):
they do, and they just go offinto these deviant paths
sometimes, and because they feellike they can get away with
murder, or get away withwhatever they think they can buy
people off. Yes. Right. Andthat's no excuse. So not making
any excuse for him. Or you know,the the Epstein's and the
Weinstein's and all those otherpeople. But
(37:07):
I think that's where it is, Ithink it's just deviancy and it
just that, that allure of I'm sorich and powerful, and now that
much influence and I can dowhatever I want to do. And I
have money to buy people off, orI have money to, you know, the
hush people up or, or sometimeseven off people. And yeah, it's
(37:28):
just crazy. And it just that allthat stuff gets gets to your
head and just changes you as aperson. And you know, he may
have a we don't know this, buthe may have a history of mental
illness or something. So wedon't really know.
It's just I think he's got Yeah,it's just, it's just crazy. And
(37:48):
it's just as varied as he was,you know, we think he's a good
role model. Yeah. Yeah. Like thetotal office. Yeah. It was just,
it's wild. It's wild. And now,you know, I'm, I'm not a rumor
monger or anything like that.
But we you have to follow thisstory. You have to see this to
the end. You know, I don't thinkthe end is in sight, by the way,
(38:09):
I think this is gonna drag onfor a while. But from what I'm
hearing, he's never he hasn'tbeen
formally indicted or anythinglike that. So I'm curious to
see. You talked about this theraid? What was the purpose of
the raid? Yeah. You know,there's some conspiracy theory
(38:31):
theories going around thatthey didn't raid his places to
look for evidence, I'm hearingmay or may not be true, that
their new evidence was there,and they went to get it to
confiscate it to protect people.
You know, I'm saying, Would thatman have that influence? You
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know, if he has evidence againstother people of that influence,
whether it be in government orwhatever, people are going to do
whatever they can do to protect?
You think it's a console.
Like he's working with? Yeah,I've heard that. I've heard
that. He's.
He may be a witness. I've heardthat. It's like a jet deaf.
(39:16):
Yeah. So he Yeah, he made me youknow, so we'll know. We'll see.
It's fascinating. Is this isgonna play out for a while.
Yeah, it's gonna be some BrianMurphy. Yes. Series, some some
TV series. Yeah, yes, it'sgreat. And I was at Easter
dinner last Sunday and waswith a couple of classmates and
(39:38):
another gentleman, our age andwe were talking about this and
it's just it's just crazy. Andinteresting what people's
perspectives of all this is. Andthere's one job
shout out to my buddy Seanprobably won't be listening. He
was saying how is this is notthis is only the tip.
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For the iceberg, like, there areother people that are gonna go
go down with him. And you know,we talked about Meek Mills and
Stevie j's and otherentertainers and artists that he
is involved with. And he seemsto think that, yes, this is just
people who are complicit. Right,yeah. 100% So we'll say this. I
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think this is the mostfascinating story
I've seen in a while. You know,I'm more in tune to this. You
know, for obvious reasons. Morethan I was with the Jeffrey
Epstein and Harvey Weinstein's,what is kind of the same ilk.
Same guns, for sure. So let'sfollow along. And let's see what
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happens for sure.
As a mid life person, right,before I got into my 50s, I
always thought, hmm,at what age do you really start
to show that you're getting old,right?
(41:06):
And for me, it wasin your 50s. Now, I don't know
if I was like, kicking the candown the road or whatever. But
it just seemed like that seemedlike to be the age where, okay,
you're starting to take thatturn. The wrinkles are coming
in. This was when he was when Iwas young. Right? So
(41:27):
you always had that thought inmy head. So I was out with a
buddy of mine. We were out at alocal establishment here having
a couple cocktails, and acrossthe bar, and I see a gentleman
who I haven't seen in a while asprobably say, five or six years.
And he looks at me and I look athim. And you know, we say Hey,
(41:49):
What's up, buddy? Well, so I'veseen a while Allah Allah, Allah,
Allah Allah.
So we're talking and he says tome, man, you've aged
a lot. I didn't know men did.
Neither did I?
I mean, no woman would say that.
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So I look at this job. And thisperson is like, not in your me
who would say that even somebodyin your family? Right, right,
right, right. No, they wouldsay, Oh, I see you got some
grades coming in or, you know,blah, blah, blah. They wouldn't
then they'd be like, oh, yeah,yeah, yeah.
But I looked at the gentleman. Iwas like, what?
Like, what?
Like, I had that thought, likeyou did? Like who would say
(42:35):
that? Right? Yeah. So I gatheredmy composure what little app and
I said, Well, okay, I was like,Well, I am 54 years old. I mean,
is he our age? No, he's probablyearly to mid 40s. Okay, so, so I
(42:56):
was like, Hey, man, I'll fitbefore I mean, these things
happen. Hahaha.
You gotten dressed up to go outthat day? No, no, no, I was just
wearing like a sweatshirt and ahat. You know, but you weren't
looking? Oh, no, no, like, no,no, no.
(43:16):
No, no, no, very casual.
So, you know, I kind of laughed,oh, he laughed, blah, blah, and
then went back back back to mybusiness. And so
I could not get that thought inmy head. I would dismiss
a couple of drinks and like, soI'm rash. I'm sitting there
drinking. I'm rationalizing inmy head. I was like, Okay, well,
let's break down while he wouldsay that.
(43:39):
Sounds like our last time I sawhim.
I said, Okay, I think I'm prettysure that's when I was dyeing my
beard and mustache. Right. Andprobably my hair too, but I was
wearing a hat. So you couldn'tsee my hair.
I was like, okay, yeah. Is thatsomething a lot of guys do dye
(44:00):
their dashes.
I would say about half and half.
I've known quite a few peoplethat have done some that don't.
And it's the same as hair dye.
Is it any different than hairdye? I think it's about the
same? Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's,it's, it's not an easy thing to
do. It's, that's why I stoppeddoing it. So, but yeah, I mean,
(44:23):
when the Grays were starting tocome in, I was like, I'm not
ready for that yet. So I youknow, I did the just for man,
you know, brushing the formulaand, and all that good stuff.
And, you know, you can neverreally get it right. You know,
you're not you're not aprofessional at it. So, you
know, sometimes I would missspots or sometimes days would go
(44:45):
by and I wouldn't do it. Andthen but I thought it looked
good. You know, I remember myfather called me out one day
he's like, I see. I see youdyeing your beard.
Everybody's given Yeah, soI was dyeing my beard back then.
So I was like maybe that hassomething to do with.
(45:06):
And you know, I've always beenthe kind of guy I've always
typically looked younger than myage, right? Maybe Maybe it's not
even a look, maybe it's how mypersonality and everything else.
So, so whole, the whole wholedeal. Yeah. So, I haven't seen
this guy, I haven't hung outwith him in a while, you know,
I'm, I'm dye free. You know, my,my beard is gray, my mustache,
(45:32):
my hair, blah, blah, blah,whatever. So I'll probably do
like a typical,you know, middle aged man. And
so, you know, it's like, okay, Iget it, you know, it's whatever.
But like, why would somebody saythat? No, that's all right. So
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I, you know, as we've talkedabout in previous podcasts, I'm
a sensitive guy, but I'm lettingit. I'm letting it go. You know,
I've come to a point now, whereI looked at that man in the
mirror, and although he doesn'tlook like
the guy the age of the guy Iwant to be, it's the guy that I
am. Right. So you didn't do youdidn't change anything because
(46:14):
of that? No, no, I didn't. Imean, no. I mean, there's
nothing I know. I am that guy inthe mirror. Now I am that 54
year old man who's staring backat me and we are one we are
simpatico. So it is what it is.
Except acceptance. Yes,acceptance is the key. But
that's good. I'm not I'm notopposed to. And I'm not opposed
to people doing stuff tomake themselves look good. You
(46:41):
know, I mean, not, notnecessarily like, you know, I
mean, we all have friends thatdo Botox, who cares? But you
know, if you want to do likesome eye creams person, right, I
agree and get rid of Crow's faceand and wrinkles. You have your
skin routine? By all means Isupport all that. I mean, yeah,
I only probably need to do thatmore more myself. Do you do
(47:03):
stuff to?
Do I lookfor being like Cassie Max, I'm
gonna say Yes, Max, you do, likeyou take care of your skin and
your hair. I mean, you know, Icould definitely do more like I,
you know, I buy stuff, and thenI'll use it for a little bit.
And, you know, like, like, undereye rollers. I'm really lazy.
(47:26):
You know, I just don'tyou know, I think if I had a job
where maybe I had, or, you know,get, but I would be the person
who'd be like, Okay, maybe I'm,like a sports, like, I'm on
Friday, and somebody else has todo it, then I'm all about that.
But just doing it myself. Idon't have that time. Yeah,
it's, you know, it can be alittle time because, but I do
(47:48):
think it. I don't know, we'vehad this talk before, right?
Like, it's nice to look nice,right? It's nice to think about
what you're wearing, can I goout and put your best foot
forward right and look nice,right? And it makes you feel
more competent, feel better, butI guess there's, like, you don't
have to go the other extreme,where you feel like, oh,
everything's wrong with me. AndI want to look 20 years younger,
(48:09):
right? So I think there's, Ithink you can't let yourself go.
But at the same time, like, likeyou're saying, Love yourself the
way you are. So I think there'sa balance right? I don't think
you should let yourself go allthe way you know. And yeah,
don't let yourself go and don'tget it twisted. I still look
good. It's just I just gotta, Ijust gotta understand that my
(48:32):
looking good. Is it look good?
Good. Look for a man in his 50snot a good look for a third guy
look like I mean, I don't wantto know. Yeah, I mean, you know
what I mean? Like, like, if youhad to say, if you had time to
think about it. Do you wish youhad said something else back?
(48:52):
Like what would you have saidback? I think I think you just
wouldn't let it go. I think theway I comported myself was the
best that I could do. Now Icould have gone you know, I
could have gone severaldifferent ways with but you
know, it's like, you know what?
I'mso him. You probably don't want
him to hang out.
(49:14):
Not a close friend. He's not aguy. Anyway, he's just a guy
that I hadn't seen in a whilethat you know, we we, we we have
mutual acquaintances, and we youknow, we've hung out a couple of
times, so it's whatever, butthat's like it well, there's no
point in getting upset aboutthis or mad or fighting or, or
anything like that. It's justHey, man. Brah I'm a middle aged
(49:37):
man. I think I'm doing good formyself. So yeah, so it is what
it is. So it was a good test foryou. It was it was a good test.
It wasit was good. I'm proud of the
way I handled myself and, andthat sort of thing. But you
know, like I said, you know, youstill want to look good, but you
got to face reality as a timeand you know, for free
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54 year old man I think I'mdoing an excellent job. So
thanks for joining us for thisepisode of midlife marauders.
Follow us on social media andwherever you stream your
podcast. We also want to give abig shout out to Frank moinmoin
music for providing the beatsfor our theme music and to our
(50:20):
listeners, keep on marauding andsee you next time.
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