October 16, 2025 • 36 mins
What if the most ordinary moments—snacks in a studio, a stubborn grill, a late-night photo book—are exactly where reinvention begins? We pull on that thread and watch it unravel into something bigger: how women carry decision fatigue until “just feed me” becomes a love language, how a beach day can reset a year, how a simple recording turns into a time capsule you’ll wish you’d started sooner.
We roam freely and honestly: grocery delivery as a sanity saver, TJ Maxx-induced overwhelm, the quiet hunt of thrifting and antiques, and a wedding ritual that spawned a small business and a hundred stories in vintage glass. Then we get real about marriage math, divorce dignity, and spending a year alone to remember who you are. One of us is deep into grandparent joy; the other is wrestling with the bittersweet milestones of a toddler who suddenly says “strawberries” instead of “straw babbas.” Sleep splits us—night reader versus vivid dreamer—and so do drinks: a citrus-forward vodka sea breeze versus a classic gin and tonic, with a medically-certified lime allergy adding comedy and chaos.
There’s grit beneath the laughter. Dental implants that cost a small fortune. A health crisis that demanded IVs four days a week and forced a total reset. The lesson is sharp but generous: take the trip now, print the photos, record your people at dinner, and don’t wait for permission to start over at 49—or at 29. We talk pets and loss (seven rescues, one legendary Husky), favorite beaches (Jacksonville’s wide-open magic, Alligator Point’s hush), and the kind of dating standards that only arrive when you’ve earned them: kindness, intellect, shared joy, and no interest in being impressed by things that don’t matter.
If you’re craving a conversation that’s warm, a little wild, and relentlessly honest about food, family, travel, memory, and the art of beginning again, you’re home. Press play, share it with someone who needs a nudge, and leave a review to tell us what reinvention looks like for you.
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unknown (00:00):
Okay.
Marco Fall.
SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Just bullshit here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Yeah, it's funny how we can't break away for lunch,
but yet we have found a way torun away and do this podcast.
It's true.
I just need to put snacks inhere.
We just need our little checkmarks for each episode.
Drinks, check.
Content, check.
Good vibes, check-tick.
SPEAKER_01 (00:28):
Welcome back.
Welcome.
Miles between us.
Here we are.
What do you want to talk abouttoday?
Well, let's learn a little bitmore about you, Melissa.
What about you?
Oh, okay.
Well, let's learn a little moreabout each of us.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
What's your favorite color?
Blue.
What's your favorite food?
I'm too indecisive for thisgame, I think.
What food I could eat everysingle day?
SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
She is every woman.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
What kind of food do you want?
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
Like, think about it.
At home, whether it's just byyourself or you have a
significant other or you havekids, you're usually the one
planning.
So you're doing the groceryshopping or at least like making
the list.
So by the time it's like youwant to go somewhere, that's the
last thing you want to do.
Well, yeah, or quite honestly.
Like surprise me, take mesomewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
We've got a lot of people that are boss ladies,
right?
And so when you're a boss allday making decisions, making
things happen, somebody justfeed me.
I'm saying.
Just feed me.
I don't at this point I don'tcare.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Yeah, like I don't need to make all the decisions.
I believe in you.
I will eat some Taco Bell.
I am not that difficult.
SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
My favorite steak, I will say that.
Steak and seafood.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
So I never, never ate steak and also didn't really
like salmon, but yet Misty.
Misty decided.
So everybody else ate steak, andfor Christmas one year, she's
like, steak's for everybody, butMelissa doesn't like steak.
So what am I gonna get her?
A plank of salmon that feeds afamily of 50.
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It was healthy.
I didn't think somebody wouldget a salmon.
And so I think I I think I did acouple bites to at least appease
you and thank you for your youreffort.
It was my thought that counted.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Now you like it.
But now I like you eat steakwhen you come to my house.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
You're kind of a junk food baby too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Candy.
I mean I yes, I do have a asweet tooth for that.
So your favorite candy.
One that's always in rotation, Ishould say.
You know what I really like nowis the Snickers with almonds.
So I didn't like the Snickerswith the peanut.
You always had a Hoganda's icecream.
Always, always.
But it was either like Twix orKit Kat or something in the
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fridge.
Those are definitely yes, KitKat in the fridge.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
Okay, yeah.
Those are a staple.
Specifically green Valenciaboiled peanuts.
If you know, you know the softones that are called pops.
You can eat the whole thing.
They're so good.
I'm not gonna expose myself toomuch, but I eat the shell.
Like if it's soft enough, I eatthe shell.
But if it's not soft enoughwhere you can swallow the shell,
I'll like chew on it a littlebit.
(02:59):
My latest, I guess, fixation ofthings I'm making is the
homemade oatmeal homemadeoatmeal raisin cookies.
Because I can't eatstore-boughts.
Yeah, I could eat moms.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Moms were good.
I love grilling.
I will grill all the time.
You know, it's just one, I likebeing outside.
Okay, that's dope.
So I like being outside.
I feel like there's a little bitof a risk in lighting this
grill, personally.
Are you talking about dad's oldgrill?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
No, no, no.
Because we should talk aboutdad's old grill that singed all
of our eyebrows off.
SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Everybody that has a grill knows the stupid little
igniter goes out after the firstlike four times that you use it.
Oh, it's not the battery, itjust doesn't work.
So you've got to light it with adamp lighter.
So yeah, I like being outsideand then you know, slow cooking
that food on there.
So that's the reason that Iabsolutely love grilling.
Uh, I don't want to be in thekitchen cooking.
I just don't.
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Yeah.
There's a few things that I'llthat I'll cook and then I enjoy.
The crock pot's good, you know,occasionally.
I haven't been to a grocerystore in like five years.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
I used to think you were so damn bougie at first.
She was she's kind of on the Iwill say, you're kind of on the
cusp of things.
I'm a little bit of a hater atfirst because I'm like, this
girl is ridiculous.
But yet, somehow I am on thetrain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
You were on the train.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
So it's so smart though, because now I get it
more on like a mom perspective,because if Eslie was sleeping in
the car, or if, you know, he'sjust a little wild at the time.
I'm not trying to like.
If you're able to buy back yourtime, like if finances allow it
in certain spans, well, it'sworth it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
I think I spend less.
Honestly, I absolutely spot anyof the crap I would normally buy
walking around the store.
You know, have you spent inTrader Joe's?
I haven't.
SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
I'm converting people daily.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
I've never been in Trader Joe's.
Daily.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
It's so good.
I do not miss going to the storeat all.
I get overstimulated reallyeasily.
Yeah.
I didn't realize this untilhonestly, TJ Maxx overwhelms me
now because I feel like I getdecision fatigue.
SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
Where all of a sudden I can't just peruse.
There's too that's why I don'tdo the thrift stores except for
that one in Jacksonville.
Because it's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
So I like thrifting.
That's one of the things that Ido like thrifting and antiques
and just super cool stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
So shall we tell them about your slight little
endeavor you did there for aminute with your antique?
Oh, yeah, no, it was super fun.
I still have stuff.
So I had an antique business.
How many years did you do that?
Like two, three?
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Three years.
Yeah.
I had an antique business and Imean I've got stuff from
churches from the business.
Because you do what were those?
Um auctions.
Auctions online.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
You got the flutes and stuff.
Oh, yeah, I got like.
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
One of the first flutes ever made in America, uh
worth an incredible amount ofmoney.
And uh I gave it to my brotherbecause he's a musician.
So but I actually have some oldlike cigarette companies used to
make six cigarettes for soldiersin war, and they came in these
like cans, and I have thingslike that that have never been.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
I feel like you kind of got Zach slightly into
antiquing there for a minute.
So the fact that I wassurrounded by two of my closest
people into something that I wasso not into.
I'm like, who's punishing me?
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
You tricked us into it too, though, because you had
a different antique glass forevery single seat at your
wedding.
We were all on a mission to findyou antique glasses.
SPEAKER_00 (06:21):
That's all you needed, though.
All you were looking for wasglasses, but yet you formed a
whole company.
SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
Well, it's true.
Listen, we are entrepreneurs, welike forming things and doing
things, and you know, it'sexciting.
Yeah, you know, and quitehonestly, stuff from the past is
just cool, man.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
The stories that it can tell.
And this just made me think ofquestions.
So, how many times have you beenmarried?
Because we're thinking ofweddings.
Twice.
So technically, I have beat you,but mine's are the same person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
It's true.
That is true, yes.
Oh my gosh, I did not even thinkabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
I got all y'all beat in the family.
Love him so much.
No, he's so nice.
Marry him thrice.
Something like that.
So, how old's your kid?
SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
My kid is 32 years old.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
You had dang good looking Gigi, is all I gotta
say.
I have a beautiful littlegranddaughter.
She's so cute.
She is so cute.
She's got the like cutest littlerasp, like a high-pitched rasp.
And this girl is the biggesttattletale on my child, but she
is still cute.
She's uses protector.
She does.
SPEAKER_01 (07:26):
She's gonna keep them in line.
She's got some sass for sure.
She's still she can haveanything she wants.
I love being a GG.
I I can't imagine being called agrandma, but I love Gigi.
Gigi suits you.
Yeah, I think that suits me.
So we've had some, I mean, gosh,we've had some great adventures.
We've taken her, probably sortof taking her to football games
at six weeks old.
Tell me what it's like for youto about to have a
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three-year-old.
SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
It makes me sad.
Yeah.
It's so bittersweet.
I feel like as a parent, it'sjust like this big old paradox
where you're pre-morning thingsthat haven't happened yet, in a
way.
Like you just get sad thatthey're already getting older or
pick them up for the last time,or they're gonna like I still
remember so vividly we were inTrader Joe's.
(08:11):
Apparently, I love talking aboutTrader Joe's.
She likes Trader Joe's.
But he used to always say strawbabbas.
Oh.
And then all of a sudden we'rein Trader Joe's, and he's like,
Mama, strawberries.
I said, they're notstrawberries, they're straw
babbas.
So bittersweet because like youwant them to become smarter and
learn things, but you just likelike I want to record them on
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here.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
And it'd be great to just like keep it as like a time
capsule.
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
Well, and again, that's you know, one of my
favorite things is I have allthe family's pictures.
I mean, seriously, all thesealbums for years and years and
years.
It's great, this stuff'sdigital, and you know, we're all
out there.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
But I'd like to get printing out, like honestly, if
you just did a yearly one.
Yeah.
To force yourself to print.
SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
Well, every year I've print a book for you guys
that kind of goes through ouryear in review.
So, but yeah, I think stillhaving some actual pictures to
hold.
SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
It's just fun to sit around and the voice though.
I mean, we still have some ofour VHSs and we've got to Well,
because at least for me, I don'thave a great memory in just
naturally, I have a fantasticworking memory.
Like literally at work.
I remember some details.
My life five years ago.
I don't know.
She blocks it all out.
I do.
That's why I take pictures andvideos.
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Because if I took one picture,even if it's something random,
like Misty's shoe right now,it'll like bring it back for me.
It's so strange.
So I want to take more picturesand videos of like I, on the
other hand, have like almost apicture perfect memory.
SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
I mean, I literally can remember all kinds of
details.
That's the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
You're the oldest, so you robbed all that, and I
got left with nothing.
That's a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
It's a blessing and a curse to be able to remember
everything because there is somestuff from my past I'd like to
forget.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Heard that.
But see, that's the exchange, isyou you remember your real life
memories so vividly, but youdon't remember your dreams.
I feel like I have a blessingand a curse of very, very vivid
dreams.
Yeah.
And my husband, I don't think hewants to hear another like story
about my dreams.
I'll start them like, oh, mydream, and he he's just
(10:15):
preparing himself for it becausehe's like, it's not real,
because he doesn't reallyremember his dreams.
But for people who remembertheir dreams so vividly,
eventually it becomes so weirdlydistorted where you're like, I
saw that so clear in PicturePerfect.
Is that a memory or is that adream?
So that's where it gets weirdwhere you're like, Yeah, we're
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really different too with likeour sleep habits.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
So I thank you, have incredible sleep.
I go to bed early.
Are you rubbing this in rightnow?
No, no, I can't tell where we'regoing.
I'm just saying that we'retalking about differences
between us.
And uh I read every singlenight.
I usually read for 10 or 15minutes and then I'm out.
And uh I'm an early riser, so Iget up much earlier than you do.
(11:00):
That's worked out very well forme.
Yeah, it's it's been great.
So there are some differencesbetween us for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
There's so many, but then there's like each other so
well.
Well, I think of the really bigdifferences of us, I think we
give each other grace that we'renot that, if that makes sense.
Like there are certain thingswhere I'm like, I will literally
never be that.
But I'm not spiteful over it, orI'm like, ugh, why is she like
that?
I'm just like, that's her.
I am usually not on time tothings, and I feel like I'm not
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as bad as our brother.
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
No, no, our brother you tell at least an hour
before.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Honestly, I I'm getting to the point where I
should tell them a whole daybefore.
Like, it's actually not eventhis day, it's the day prior.
Love you, Ryan.
So true.
Oh, but I just thought of basicdifferences.
Oh coffee, tea, vodka.
I actually hate tequila.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Taste of coffee.
SPEAKER_00 (11:52):
Yeah, I don't know why you keep drinking it.
I'm trying to get you on tea.
I'm telling you, it's you drinksweet tea.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
Yeah, not that often anymore.
So I mean my go-to drinkGatorade and Pediolite.
Those are my go-to drinks.
I'm super exciting.
Unless I'm drinking, and thenyes, mine is vodka.
It is always the exact samething.
It is a sea breeze, and that isTito's, cranberry, grapefruit,
and extra limes.
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And it is so refreshing.
I think it's good.
It's good for your body.
It's got the cranberry, soyou're like helping your kidneys
out.
And it's good for you.
Yeah, it's good for you.
Absolutely.
Um there's a total benefit toit.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Sure.
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
What's your go-to drink?
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
That's a problem in me.
I'm too indecisive, but I feellike the ones I always fall back
on are a gin and tonic are a ginand tonic.
Honestly, half a lime is likeperfect.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
That's funny.
We both really like limes.
Love it.
I love that powder lime stuffthat I found.
That's not bad, actually.
And it's just powderedcrystallized.
Melissa's actually allergic tolimes.
Yeah, she is.
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
I just looked at it, popped up on my Facebook
memories, that trip.
That trip.
SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
We went to Mexico and Melissa became allergic to
limes with the sun.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
We didn't know this at the time.
I came back and I was at TCC andit's fluorescent lighting, and
I'm looking at my hands, andthere's thousands of what looks
like freckles on both hands.
Like, I'm hiding themunderneath.
I just came back from Mexico.
We don't know what this is.
But then it evolved.
So I ended up going to thedermatologist and they come in
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with a textbook and they'resuper excited.
They were so excited.
So excited.
They're like, you're in thetextbook.
And I'm like, what?
This is not good.
I mean, it's good.
You're diagnosing me, but that'snot good.
Crazy about it though is it'sevolved.
It was really, really darkfreckles, and then now it's
turned into like blisters andcracking of the skin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
But she still won't stop squeezing her limes.
Her husband and I bothconstantly offer, and she's just
impatient as hell sometimes withthis lime.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Sometimes I'm ready for my drink, and I'm just
sitting there, just like achild, being like, hello, can
anybody please squeeze my limefor me?
Because it's very prevalent inthe summer, which is crazy
because it's like a chemicalburn of the citrus, and it's not
lemons.
Right.
It's not orange, it's justlimes.
It's a combination with the UVrays.
So I thought I could beat itthis one time.
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And I was inside mom's house,the sun was setting.
I'm cutting it next to thewindow, squeezing it in my
corona.
A week later, I'm like, you arejoking me.
It still got me.
I swear if it's a full moon, I'dprobably get it too.
But I don't know.
So yeah, I'd say my go-to drinkswould be a really good fresh
margarita.
No simple syrup kind of thing,like all fresh ingredients,
(14:42):
particularly the HuckleberryMarg.
That's delicious.
And like a corona or a sourbeer.
SPEAKER_01 (14:48):
I'm pretty sure in high school it was vodka and
orange juice.
SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
Yeah, I think that's a screwdriver or something.
SPEAKER_01 (14:53):
That was that was my high school drink.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
We don't condone drinking houseweed.
We're just, you know.
Keeping it real.
We're keeping it real.
This was a long time ago.
Statue of limitations.
It's true.
SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
Allegedly.
Weird mouth story.
I don't know how we got on this.
Both had a like$10,000 toothimplant.
SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Yeah, at the same time.
Same time.
Very different situation we hadbecause I mean, I'd never even
heard of them before.
SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
I'd not, I literally had never heard of somebody
having an implant.
I certainly didn't know the damnthings were$10,000.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
Yeah, if you've never heard of Care Credit, look
it up.
It's great for vet bills,dental, doctor, whatever it its
spread is now.
But that is the only reason whyI was able to do that.
Yeah.
That was nuts.
But yours went well, everythingwas fine.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
That's true.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
But I went through a little bit longer of a scenario
because they were going to takethe cap off and I start wincing.
And this lady makes eye contactwith me, and she's like, I'll be
right back.
I'm like, that is not good.
Like makes eye contact and kindof gives you that look.
It's not good.
It's not good.
I was like, you're joking.
That was really hard recovery.
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Like, I don't like taking heavypain meds.
It was just like excruciate.
I don't know if y'all have everhad mouth pain, but it's top
notch.
Listen, I don't like a dentist.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
I get nitrous to get my teeth cleaned.
Yeah, you do?
I do.
I get nitrous to get my teethcleaned.
I believe we listen and we don'tjudge.
Comfort dentistry is a thing.
I don't want somebody in mymouth.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure.
I mean, it is uncomfortablewhile you're doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
You're like, where am I?
What is that noise?
So fun.
Yeah.
Construction site in my mouth.
Yes.
No, but that was a bummerbecause you got to go through it
easy breezy.
And then I had to have it redoneentirely from the beginning.
So I had no tooth for almostthree years.
And it cost you 10 gray.
(16:48):
And thankfully, though, theydidn't charge me double.
But yeah, so that was fun.
Have you ever broken a bone?
Pinky toe.
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
That's it.
I've never broken a bone.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
So mine was dumb.
So when I did gymnastics, youhave the uneven bars, and the
bars have a cable.
And there's almost like a metaleye hole looking thing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
You caught your toe.
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
And I just I guess I wasn't looking, and I just
walked full force and the pinkytoe just damned it.
Oh, that sounds so painful.
I'm glad you haven't brokenanything.
That's good.
No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
Favorite vacation spot.
I mean, we can just say anytimewe're fucking going somewhere
and it's great.
SPEAKER_00 (17:20):
Honestly, I love a vacation.
It doesn't, it could be twohours away and I love it.
It could be a staycation and Ilove it.
But some of the best ones havebeen the California one was
really fun, particularly likeCarmel.
Yeah.
That spot was awesome.
Gorgeous area.
Even like Dustin 30A, AlligatorPoint, just like anything
low-key right there on thebeach.
Colorado's really fun.
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Honestly, I could go through allof my trips I've ever been on
and like I love something aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a beach girl, like I absolutely
love the beach.
Uh, alligator Point is myfavorite.
I'm really, really, reallyfalling in love with
Jacksonville Beach.
SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
I do too.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Yeah.
But if there was one place thatI was gonna move away from our
family or away from, it wouldprobably be Jacksonville Beach.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
I like how it's such a big beach that there's
hundreds of people all up onthere, but it doesn't ever feel
crowded.
It doesn't ever feel like youdon't belong there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Yeah, everybody's healthy, man.
They're up in the morningsurfing.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
You could stay within like a one mile radius
and you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
Yeah, it's a vibe.
And so I do really, really enjoythat.
I loved Montana.
That was an incredible place tovisit.
I want to go there one day.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
I want to go to Maine when it's not negative 30
degrees.
I built character on that trip.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
That's what we call it when something sucks and we
made it through.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Let's see how many pets have you had at one given
time?
SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
Most ever at one time was seven dogs.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Insanity.
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Yeah, all rescues.
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
Which is great.
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Yeah, I'm a dog person.
Like I've had cats, cool.
I did have a really cool catthat would get in the bathtub
with you.
That was Velcro.
But dogs have always kind ofbeen my go-to, and they've all
lived long, healthy, wonderfullives.
This is the first time I justlost my dog.
I know.
RIP just I know.
Diamond just passed away and shereally was a girl's best friend.
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So this is the first time in mylife that I've not had a dog.
Which is crazy.
Yeah, and I'm kind of in aholding pattern.
I want to traverse it.
No, I want to travel a littlebit.
Nobody could ever replaceDiamond.
So yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
I'm sure there's another dog inmy future, but I just don't
know.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
I know.
That's what's hard.
Like when I had my husky Coda,that was my sole dog.
That was a dog I always wanted.
I had a beanie baby named Balto.
I was getting a Husky one day.
That was a wild story because Iwas going through a long-term
relationship breakup.
It was like a four-year-oldemotional.
I was all over the place.
(19:54):
It was a hot mess.
I'm like going another sister.
No, but that's the problem.
I'm going into college.
I've just gotten off of this bigbreakup, and we're in Colorado,
and I'm on petfinder.com in myother sister's office, and I
come across Coda's pictureliving at dad at the time.
So dad is game.
Dad's an animal person, he'sabout it.
(20:14):
So I show him this picture.
Mind you, it was a lot of money.
It was a thousand dollars.
Although some of that was thetravel expense.
So technically, he wasn't thatmuch.
Yeah.
So I decided I want this dog.
He doesn't even bat an eye.
He's like, yeah, sure.
Like, okay, great.
So I'm literally buying thisdog.
I'm online.
Never seen it.
Nope.
Don't know these people.
There's literally two picturesof this dog.
(20:35):
Yeah.
And it's in like Missouri orsomewhere.
Wiring people money.
No, can't even get there yet,right?
So I'm not wiring them money.
Christy drives me to the WellsSpargo in Colorado to take out
cash to pay her to then put iton her card.
So this is a very like detailedstep-by-step process that nobody
said, Hey Melissa, like, maybepump the brakes, think about it
(20:58):
for a minute.
Yeah, so I uh I wired the ladythe money.
Weeks go by.
I hear nothing.
I remember I'm talking withBailey, one of my best friends,
and we're sitting there at aChick-fil-A, and I'm like, I
think I got scammed a thousandbucks.
Next couple days, I finally getan email, and then I get like
tracking information, and so hewas flown to the Tallahassee
(21:20):
airport, and me and Bailey wentto go pick him up.
That dog was absolutely amazing.
But then it's crazy because Ialmost lost him because he came
sick.
SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Yeah.
And then he came with Parvo.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah, so he beat Parvo, which is really, really
rare for a dog to do.
And then he lived to 11, whichwas super unexpected that he got
sick because he was totallyfine, and then he stopped
talking.
He's like a major talker, if youknow Huskies.
Summing that up to say when hepassed, I'm like, I'm never
getting another Husky.
Like, how will there ever beanother Coda kind of thing?
(21:52):
And so I did not get anotherdog, I got a cat.
So you never know if you'll endup getting like another Great
Dane, or you'll get you'll gofar left and get another weird
animal.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
If you know me, you know that I have had an
obsession with wanting a monkey,and everybody has again, they
get mean, they get no, listen, Ithink it's about how you raise
them.
I mean, there are monkeys thatare trained to be service,
seriously, service animals.
They'll do your dishes.
SPEAKER_00 (22:18):
Oh, we've watched the videos.
SPEAKER_01 (22:19):
Yeah, there's a whole monkey university.
There is a monkey university.
Melissa brought me a monkey backfrom Costa Rica.
That's as close as I could getfor you.
It's true.
It's it's a little monkey andit's you get to look at it every
day.
Every single day.
It's on my refrigerator and it'sright next to my coffee.
He's cute.
He is very cute.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Maybe that's you manifesting your monkey when I'm
gonna.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
I'm just saying, people would come just to see
the monkey.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
I would think so.
Yeah, they you know, we have siton my shoulders and do the
estimates.
I could teach it to writeestimates better than AI.
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
I don't know what some of our listeners, some of
their wildest animals are ortheir favorite pet.
I think that would be reallyneat.
So you guys share that with us.
Like do our own little petcontest and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Yeah, show us your pet.
Like, I could watch all thevideos, the compilations they do
of cats being weird, dogs beingweird.
Like they're just so funny.
They make life better.
They do, honestly.
Absolutely.
What do you want to know aboutpeople on a first date?
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Uh that they're not a serial killer.
SPEAKER_00 (23:14):
Um I can vouch that for you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
Yeah, like, yeah, my my whole ideas of first dates
have changed now.
I mean, so, so glad I don't haveto date.
Yeah, it's a very differentworld.
It's I'm I'm not gonna do one ofthe apps.
I like just the apps weren't bigwhen I was dating.
No, I like just the people thathave similar interests and are.
(23:36):
So essentially like friends offriends.
Yeah, friends of friends.
Some little meat cutes.
Yeah, something along thoselines.
When you're my age, everybody'sgot scars, right?
We've all got scars and battles,and so all of that stuff, and
just trying to impress peoplewith listen, we're grown.
I'm a grown woman.
I have my own company, my ownmoney.
Like, I've got my own boat.
You know what I mean?
So you're not gonna buy me orimpress me with that type of
(24:00):
stuff.
I'm gonna need you to like be agentleman.
I'm gonna need you to honestly,I'm gonna need you to bring
intellect to the game.
Yeah.
Like, I I need a conversation.
Yeah.
I mean, I need to be intriguedand interested in that person
and similar interests, you know,somebody that wants to go to the
football game, wants to go tothe beach, wants to go on the
boat.
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
I think it's inspiring, I'll say this, as
your little sister, to be in arelationship for 15 years that
was not doing you a service,you're not living your best
life.
No, it did not make me better.
No.
So to go from that to thenseeing you flourishing these
last few years is cool to seethat, like, I don't know, I
(24:41):
think it's all burned in all ofus that like middle age and you
can't start again, and you haveto find the love of your life in
your 20s.
So it's really a lot ofpressure.
And just don't even know who youreally are.
Um, you change so much.
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Yeah.
I mean, uh, who I was at at 21is certainly not who I am at 48
and a half.
Let's pray not.
Like, I hope we all evolve.
So, yeah, I'm gonna be 49 thisyear.
And uh, I'm excited about it.
Like, I really am.
I feel great.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
I probably feel better everywhere.
This year, though, likeinterviews with women.
Your 20s is like the fun,experimenting, whatever.
Then your 30s, you're likereally leaning into what you're
into at the time, starting afamily, whatever that may be.
But what I hear about your 40sis you finally just don't give a
fuck about what people thinkanymore.
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
It is absolutely true.
SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
And you just get to be like your true authentic
self.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Yeah, and that feels just really good.
I mean, it's very much just thisis who I am, this is what makes
me happy.
I'm always looking to learn andgrow.
So I'm I'm big into certainthings.
Therapy, I think therapy issuper important, and so I have
massages and but I really don'tgive a damn what anybody thinks
anymore, you know?
That takes a lot.
(25:53):
Yeah, well, honestly, I spentafter my divorce, I was
absolutely determined to notdate anybody, talk to anybody,
do anything for a solid year.
That was an incredible year.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Well, you have to figure out who you are outside
of that person.
Cause even let's just say you'renot in a great relationship
doing things with this person inmind, whether you're doing or
not doing things.
So to finally be, I amabsolutely doing everything I
want to or don't want to solelybecause of me is like Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
I mean, I literally could come home when I wanted
to, leave when I wanted to, eatwhen I want to.
I mean, shit, there's a lot ofnights.
I eat popcorn for dinner.
SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
But I forgot about this.
You're living your 20s in a waybecause you a kid at 16.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
So you didn't have that early college days.
SPEAKER_00 (26:43):
Yeah, you got no kid at home.
Yeah, I've got no roommates.
No roommates, the dog passedaway.
Like, I am literally alone.
You have adult money, so you canlike actually do things.
You're not like on ramennoodles.
Yeah, it's there's a lot offreedom to it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Yeah, I would say all the ladies out there and the
guys too, like, you live yourlife, man.
Just do what you want to do.
Go for it.
But yeah, there's just freedomand finally being able to say,
you know what, I don't have toimpress anybody.
I'm gonna wear what I want towear.
You know, there's just somethingabout, and I I just encourage
people to do it earlier.
I mean, shit, why do you gottawait till your 40s to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Like, figure out Well, and like that's what this
podcast honestly makes me thinkof is I kinda struggle with
imposter syndrome where I'mlike, I don't feel like I belong
in the room or why, why should Iget this whatever?
So, like this podcast, I'm like,why not do it?
Like, honestly, if five peoplelisten to it, great, we love all
(27:36):
of you.
But then if it does evenamazing, great.
But like give yourself theopportunity and the grace to go
for it because I think so manyof us, especially myself, I'm an
overthinker.
And then I'll just think theshit out of something and then
just not do it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
It's gonna like, I know we say unscripted and real
life, but she is gonna edit thissound like for 20 hours.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
And not like over-edit in a sense of like,
oh, I'm taking out all the goodstuff, but like I just I just am
more of a perfectionist than Ithought I was.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
And I think that you realize, I mean, for me, what I
realized is that you can doeverything right, still be with
the wrong person, you know,still think things still just be
shitty.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
They just don't work.
I know people have religioussituations, so I get that.
But if you have the opportunityto live with your partner before
marrying them, that's the trialrun you need because they say
the first year of marriage isthe hardest.
It's whole.
Because you're living togetherand you're figuring out each
other's likes, dislikes.
Are they messy?
(28:39):
I'm the messy one.
Yeah, like, you know, that's thehard part.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
That's very true.
Again, I just think that thislife is meant to be lived.
There is great freedom in beingable to just be you and make
those decisions.
And yeah, I'm embracing it rightnow.
I think it suits you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
Thanks.
I think you shine brighter.
I think you there's a clear likeif someone saw you four years
ago and they saw you right now,it's very big difference.
And I think it's just beingauthentic, truly.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
You know, I think there's a lot of probably
listeners that have been throughthat where you're you're faking
it or you're, you know, you'retrying to put on a smile when
you know things are just notgood.
When you leave that stressbehind and you let go of of
negativity, stress really cankill you.
I mean, it was I think itliterally made me sick.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
You almost died, I feel like.
That was weird.
This girl got down to like 89pounds, nobody knew it was
wrong, and then I'm no doctor,but I'm gonna say it was your
body shutting down pre-grievingdad.
SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
Yeah, it was and that was wild shit.
I honestly I I woke up one dayand I couldn't eat or drink, and
that lasted for a year.
I had to have IVEs four days aweek for a year.
Your nurse was awesome, so thatwas cool.
Oh, yeah, so I got IVs at work.
Like, don't listen, no employeeis gonna come to me and be like,
I have a headache, and I'm gonnabe like, that sucks, because I
(29:58):
have an I think provision.
And I'm still at work, like suckit up.
We really thought I was gonnadie.
I mean, I had gone and spent alot of tomato and nobody knew,
you know, they just kneweverything was paralyzed and you
know it was a virus and all ofthat type of stuff.
But I even through that, I thinkI tried to maintain a positive
attitude.
I mean, you have to.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Like if you start caving into all the fear and
stuff, it tanks you, like whenyou lose your spirit, like yeah.
So you just gotta stay.
But I think that's helped younow to where you're just like,
my dad died, I could have died,I'm living my damn life, amen.
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
Right?
And so, and that's again part ofthis podcast.
Like, don't have to go throughthat people.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
That girl rented like five beach houses within
three month span when she wasbetter for an entire like
summer.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
That was your little surviving life crisis.
Yeah, it was it was incredible.
Yeah, it's important to liveyour life.
Like, take the vacation now.
Yeah, I don't want to wait untilI'm like 90 and can barely walk.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
I'm saying, I'm thinking if I retire, I don't
even know, 65 or something likethat.
Am I gonna have a kneereplacement by then?
Am I gonna be like struggling towalk up some stairs?
I already get out of breath now.
So I might as well go while I'mmore like young bodied and able.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
I mean, do it.
Literally, like whatever it isyou want to do.
You know, it's your why.
What is your why?
Like, why do I get up in themorning?
So I do it because of my family.
I love my family.
You are genuinely my bestfriend.
I really want to take theadventures.
So that's part of again themiles between us.
It's these markers in life thatwe're just I call them almost
(31:36):
like checkpoints too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
Yeah.
Because when you get to certainpoints, you have an opportunity
to look back and be like, maybeI didn't do that.
Maybe I don't want to do thatagain.
Maybe I want to do that better.
Correct.
Like whatever.
So you have moments where you'rejust able to check in with
yourself and be like, am I onthe same path I want to be on?
And if not, take the exit andstart again.
Amen.
(31:58):
Do something different.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
I mean, that I've watched so many people change
careers, change so many things.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
And like, I envy that about people because in my
brain, again, I think it's theoverthinker part of it where I'm
like, how?
Like it's so crazy.
And people just they just do it.
They just wake up and they starta new thing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
You had people that were an office worker and now
they're a virtual yoga teacher.
I mean, people went for theirdreams.
And so because they're like, whynot?
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
The world's nuts.
What are we doing?
Let's might as well go.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
So I think we need to remember that.
I don't think we need a pandemicto teach us that.
I want to instill that in mygranddaughter and in your son.
Like, do it, go for it.
Let's just have fun, you know?
Stop taking so seriously.
Shit.
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Yeah.
What do they say that the themoney will come back, but like
the the time won't.
So correct.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
Yeah, you don't get it back.
You were a gymnast.
That was pretty cool.
I can still do a handstand.
She does a handstand every timewe're on vacation.
Yep.
I have pictures of her at ourshop when it was being built.
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
Yep, on the red steel.
Yep, on the red steel.
I have also done a handstand ona roof with my friend Caitlin,
possibly intoxicated down at thebeach.
Really cool picture.
Really dumb idea.
Yeah, those are the momentswhere you're like, ooh, early
20s.
That's that's a wild adventure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
To see you kind of blossom into this amazing CEO
and very confident and anamazing mom and a great wife.
Y'all, she is bluffing me upright now.
I'm blushing.
I mean managing being a mom anda wife and a CEO, that's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
That was the most wild year of my entire life.
SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
Yeah, it's it just really, really nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
Nobody you can read all the books, your friends can
tell you all the stories, butuntil you go through motherhood
yourself, it is wild.
I wouldn't trade it.
He's the coolest kid in theentire world, but you learn a
lot about yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Yeah, I mean, and and you're gonna continue to.
I mean, it's gonna continue tobe able to do it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
It just like rips rips you apart and forces you to
become new versions of yourselfbecause you have to.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Yeah, and maybe that's what life does to each of
us, right?
Like uh we've got a lot offriends and family.
I mean, everybody's gone throughsome dark times, some hard
times, you know, and it's okayto reinvent yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
I think it's inspiring.
Again, it's hard for me to wrapmy mind around the fact that
people can just build anew, butyou can.
Yeah.
Oh, another fun fact that my ownfather did not know this about
me until I was like 25 is thatI'm left-handed.
SPEAKER_01 (34:27):
I did know that you're the only one.
I think so.
Yeah, you're the only one of usthat's left-handed.
She got blue eyes, I got browneyes.
My eyes change colors.
Depending on what you're wearingand stuff.
Yeah, they absolutely changecolors.
There's a lot of times thatthey're a hazel, a little bit of
a green.
But yours are always they'rejust blue.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
No, they're beautiful.
Just blue.
Yeah.
They're like the ocean on acloudy day, is what I'd like to
say.
SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
It's true.
It's true.
It's so true.
That's what I'd love about this.
Is it really you guys have heardme I'm gonna have said true
probably a hundred times duringthis, but yeah.
But damn, it's nice to finallyhave some truth.
Truth about what?
Everything.
I mean, it's about your hairdown your back.
No, about everything.
I feel like people will just bemaking shut up.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
We've already talked about this.
I know.
See, I think I'm super stoked onthis on a personal level because
we're gonna have our own littletime capsule about like what was
going on during 2025 or ourrelationship, our family, our
business.
Like, this is gonna be reallycool to have.
So, again, if we have anaudience and we grow together,
(35:33):
cool.
I love that.
But on a selfish note, I'm gladI get to have this stuff like in
the archive that I can go backand see.
I mean, think about it.
When I came across that audio ofdad recently, I really don't
have much audio of him, evenjust like mundane talking, you
don't realize how much you'llmiss of that.
That main thing I can say isbefore you ever lose somebody,
(35:55):
anybody you care about, just putyour phone up and record y'all
like eating dinner together orplaying in the living room or
just ask the questions.
Yeah, I did do that.
That was the best thing I couldhave done.
I did an interview of our dad.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
We have a tradition that 14 of us at least spend the
night together Christmas Eve andwake up Christmas morning.
So we can all have a little todrink and do our interviews
Christmas Eve.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Yeah, true.
This is just another pit stopalong the way of all our
conversations and things tohappen on our little comfy
couch.
Yeah, thanks for joining us.
Signing off, Sullivan Sisters.
Out.
Make sure to tune in next timeon The Miles Between Us.
You can check us out onInstagram, Facebook, and
(36:38):
obviously here on the podcast.
Thanks, guys.
Okay.
Marco Fall.
SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Just bullshit here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Yeah, it's funny how we can't break away for lunch,
but yet we have found a way torun away and do this podcast.
It's true.
I just need to put snacks inhere.
We just need our little checkmarks for each episode.
Drinks, check.
Content, check.
Good vibes, check-tick.
SPEAKER_01 (00:28):
Welcome back.
Welcome.
Miles between us.
Here we are.
What do you want to talk abouttoday?
Well, let's learn a little bitmore about you, Melissa.
What about you?
Oh, okay.
Well, let's learn a little moreabout each of us.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
What's your favorite color?
Blue.
What's your favorite food?
I'm too indecisive for thisgame, I think.
What food I could eat everysingle day?
SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
She is every woman.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
What kind of food do you want?
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
Like, think about it.
At home, whether it's just byyourself or you have a
significant other or you havekids, you're usually the one
planning.
So you're doing the groceryshopping or at least like making
the list.
So by the time it's like youwant to go somewhere, that's the
last thing you want to do.
Well, yeah, or quite honestly.
Like surprise me, take mesomewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
We've got a lot of people that are boss ladies,
right?
And so when you're a boss allday making decisions, making
things happen, somebody justfeed me.
I'm saying.
Just feed me.
I don't at this point I don'tcare.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Yeah, like I don't need to make all the decisions.
I believe in you.
I will eat some Taco Bell.
I am not that difficult.
SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
My favorite steak, I will say that.
Steak and seafood.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
So I never, never ate steak and also didn't really
like salmon, but yet Misty.
Misty decided.
So everybody else ate steak, andfor Christmas one year, she's
like, steak's for everybody, butMelissa doesn't like steak.
So what am I gonna get her?
A plank of salmon that feeds afamily of 50.
(01:56):
It was healthy.
I didn't think somebody wouldget a salmon.
And so I think I I think I did acouple bites to at least appease
you and thank you for your youreffort.
It was my thought that counted.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Now you like it.
But now I like you eat steakwhen you come to my house.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
You're kind of a junk food baby too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Candy.
I mean I yes, I do have a asweet tooth for that.
So your favorite candy.
One that's always in rotation, Ishould say.
You know what I really like nowis the Snickers with almonds.
So I didn't like the Snickerswith the peanut.
You always had a Hoganda's icecream.
Always, always.
But it was either like Twix orKit Kat or something in the
(02:35):
fridge.
Those are definitely yes, KitKat in the fridge.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
Okay, yeah.
Those are a staple.
Specifically green Valenciaboiled peanuts.
If you know, you know the softones that are called pops.
You can eat the whole thing.
They're so good.
I'm not gonna expose myself toomuch, but I eat the shell.
Like if it's soft enough, I eatthe shell.
But if it's not soft enoughwhere you can swallow the shell,
I'll like chew on it a littlebit.
(02:59):
My latest, I guess, fixation ofthings I'm making is the
homemade oatmeal homemadeoatmeal raisin cookies.
Because I can't eatstore-boughts.
Yeah, I could eat moms.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Moms were good.
I love grilling.
I will grill all the time.
You know, it's just one, I likebeing outside.
Okay, that's dope.
So I like being outside.
I feel like there's a little bitof a risk in lighting this
grill, personally.
Are you talking about dad's oldgrill?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
No, no, no.
Because we should talk aboutdad's old grill that singed all
of our eyebrows off.
SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Everybody that has a grill knows the stupid little
igniter goes out after the firstlike four times that you use it.
Oh, it's not the battery, itjust doesn't work.
So you've got to light it with adamp lighter.
So yeah, I like being outsideand then you know, slow cooking
that food on there.
So that's the reason that Iabsolutely love grilling.
Uh, I don't want to be in thekitchen cooking.
I just don't.
(03:52):
Yeah.
There's a few things that I'llthat I'll cook and then I enjoy.
The crock pot's good, you know,occasionally.
I haven't been to a grocerystore in like five years.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
I used to think you were so damn bougie at first.
She was she's kind of on the Iwill say, you're kind of on the
cusp of things.
I'm a little bit of a hater atfirst because I'm like, this
girl is ridiculous.
But yet, somehow I am on thetrain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
You were on the train.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
So it's so smart though, because now I get it
more on like a mom perspective,because if Eslie was sleeping in
the car, or if, you know, he'sjust a little wild at the time.
I'm not trying to like.
If you're able to buy back yourtime, like if finances allow it
in certain spans, well, it'sworth it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
I think I spend less.
Honestly, I absolutely spot anyof the crap I would normally buy
walking around the store.
You know, have you spent inTrader Joe's?
I haven't.
SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
I'm converting people daily.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
I've never been in Trader Joe's.
Daily.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
It's so good.
I do not miss going to the storeat all.
I get overstimulated reallyeasily.
Yeah.
I didn't realize this untilhonestly, TJ Maxx overwhelms me
now because I feel like I getdecision fatigue.
SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
Where all of a sudden I can't just peruse.
There's too that's why I don'tdo the thrift stores except for
that one in Jacksonville.
Because it's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
So I like thrifting.
That's one of the things that Ido like thrifting and antiques
and just super cool stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
So shall we tell them about your slight little
endeavor you did there for aminute with your antique?
Oh, yeah, no, it was super fun.
I still have stuff.
So I had an antique business.
How many years did you do that?
Like two, three?
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Three years.
Yeah.
I had an antique business and Imean I've got stuff from
churches from the business.
Because you do what were those?
Um auctions.
Auctions online.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
You got the flutes and stuff.
Oh, yeah, I got like.
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
One of the first flutes ever made in America, uh
worth an incredible amount ofmoney.
And uh I gave it to my brotherbecause he's a musician.
So but I actually have some oldlike cigarette companies used to
make six cigarettes for soldiersin war, and they came in these
like cans, and I have thingslike that that have never been.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
I feel like you kind of got Zach slightly into
antiquing there for a minute.
So the fact that I wassurrounded by two of my closest
people into something that I wasso not into.
I'm like, who's punishing me?
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
You tricked us into it too, though, because you had
a different antique glass forevery single seat at your
wedding.
We were all on a mission to findyou antique glasses.
SPEAKER_00 (06:21):
That's all you needed, though.
All you were looking for wasglasses, but yet you formed a
whole company.
SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
Well, it's true.
Listen, we are entrepreneurs, welike forming things and doing
things, and you know, it'sexciting.
Yeah, you know, and quitehonestly, stuff from the past is
just cool, man.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
The stories that it can tell.
And this just made me think ofquestions.
So, how many times have you beenmarried?
Because we're thinking ofweddings.
Twice.
So technically, I have beat you,but mine's are the same person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
It's true.
That is true, yes.
Oh my gosh, I did not even thinkabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
I got all y'all beat in the family.
Love him so much.
No, he's so nice.
Marry him thrice.
Something like that.
So, how old's your kid?
SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
My kid is 32 years old.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
You had dang good looking Gigi, is all I gotta
say.
I have a beautiful littlegranddaughter.
She's so cute.
She is so cute.
She's got the like cutest littlerasp, like a high-pitched rasp.
And this girl is the biggesttattletale on my child, but she
is still cute.
She's uses protector.
She does.
SPEAKER_01 (07:26):
She's gonna keep them in line.
She's got some sass for sure.
She's still she can haveanything she wants.
I love being a GG.
I I can't imagine being called agrandma, but I love Gigi.
Gigi suits you.
Yeah, I think that suits me.
So we've had some, I mean, gosh,we've had some great adventures.
We've taken her, probably sortof taking her to football games
at six weeks old.
Tell me what it's like for youto about to have a
(07:47):
three-year-old.
SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
It makes me sad.
Yeah.
It's so bittersweet.
I feel like as a parent, it'sjust like this big old paradox
where you're pre-morning thingsthat haven't happened yet, in a
way.
Like you just get sad thatthey're already getting older or
pick them up for the last time,or they're gonna like I still
remember so vividly we were inTrader Joe's.
(08:11):
Apparently, I love talking aboutTrader Joe's.
She likes Trader Joe's.
But he used to always say strawbabbas.
Oh.
And then all of a sudden we'rein Trader Joe's, and he's like,
Mama, strawberries.
I said, they're notstrawberries, they're straw
babbas.
So bittersweet because like youwant them to become smarter and
learn things, but you just likelike I want to record them on
(08:33):
here.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
And it'd be great to just like keep it as like a time
capsule.
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
Well, and again, that's you know, one of my
favorite things is I have allthe family's pictures.
I mean, seriously, all thesealbums for years and years and
years.
It's great, this stuff'sdigital, and you know, we're all
out there.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
But I'd like to get printing out, like honestly, if
you just did a yearly one.
Yeah.
To force yourself to print.
SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
Well, every year I've print a book for you guys
that kind of goes through ouryear in review.
So, but yeah, I think stillhaving some actual pictures to
hold.
SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
It's just fun to sit around and the voice though.
I mean, we still have some ofour VHSs and we've got to Well,
because at least for me, I don'thave a great memory in just
naturally, I have a fantasticworking memory.
Like literally at work.
I remember some details.
My life five years ago.
I don't know.
She blocks it all out.
I do.
That's why I take pictures andvideos.
(09:22):
Because if I took one picture,even if it's something random,
like Misty's shoe right now,it'll like bring it back for me.
It's so strange.
So I want to take more picturesand videos of like I, on the
other hand, have like almost apicture perfect memory.
SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
I mean, I literally can remember all kinds of
details.
That's the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
You're the oldest, so you robbed all that, and I
got left with nothing.
That's a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
It's a blessing and a curse to be able to remember
everything because there is somestuff from my past I'd like to
forget.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Heard that.
But see, that's the exchange, isyou you remember your real life
memories so vividly, but youdon't remember your dreams.
I feel like I have a blessingand a curse of very, very vivid
dreams.
Yeah.
And my husband, I don't think hewants to hear another like story
about my dreams.
I'll start them like, oh, mydream, and he he's just
(10:15):
preparing himself for it becausehe's like, it's not real,
because he doesn't reallyremember his dreams.
But for people who remembertheir dreams so vividly,
eventually it becomes so weirdlydistorted where you're like, I
saw that so clear in PicturePerfect.
Is that a memory or is that adream?
So that's where it gets weirdwhere you're like, Yeah, we're
(10:35):
really different too with likeour sleep habits.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
So I thank you, have incredible sleep.
I go to bed early.
Are you rubbing this in rightnow?
No, no, I can't tell where we'regoing.
I'm just saying that we'retalking about differences
between us.
And uh I read every singlenight.
I usually read for 10 or 15minutes and then I'm out.
And uh I'm an early riser, so Iget up much earlier than you do.
(11:00):
That's worked out very well forme.
Yeah, it's it's been great.
So there are some differencesbetween us for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
There's so many, but then there's like each other so
well.
Well, I think of the really bigdifferences of us, I think we
give each other grace that we'renot that, if that makes sense.
Like there are certain thingswhere I'm like, I will literally
never be that.
But I'm not spiteful over it, orI'm like, ugh, why is she like
that?
I'm just like, that's her.
I am usually not on time tothings, and I feel like I'm not
(11:28):
as bad as our brother.
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
No, no, our brother you tell at least an hour
before.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Honestly, I I'm getting to the point where I
should tell them a whole daybefore.
Like, it's actually not eventhis day, it's the day prior.
Love you, Ryan.
So true.
Oh, but I just thought of basicdifferences.
Oh coffee, tea, vodka.
I actually hate tequila.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Taste of coffee.
SPEAKER_00 (11:52):
Yeah, I don't know why you keep drinking it.
I'm trying to get you on tea.
I'm telling you, it's you drinksweet tea.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
Yeah, not that often anymore.
So I mean my go-to drinkGatorade and Pediolite.
Those are my go-to drinks.
I'm super exciting.
Unless I'm drinking, and thenyes, mine is vodka.
It is always the exact samething.
It is a sea breeze, and that isTito's, cranberry, grapefruit,
and extra limes.
(12:18):
And it is so refreshing.
I think it's good.
It's good for your body.
It's got the cranberry, soyou're like helping your kidneys
out.
And it's good for you.
Yeah, it's good for you.
Absolutely.
Um there's a total benefit toit.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Sure.
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
What's your go-to drink?
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
That's a problem in me.
I'm too indecisive, but I feellike the ones I always fall back
on are a gin and tonic are a ginand tonic.
Honestly, half a lime is likeperfect.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
That's funny.
We both really like limes.
Love it.
I love that powder lime stuffthat I found.
That's not bad, actually.
And it's just powderedcrystallized.
Melissa's actually allergic tolimes.
Yeah, she is.
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
I just looked at it, popped up on my Facebook
memories, that trip.
That trip.
SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
We went to Mexico and Melissa became allergic to
limes with the sun.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
We didn't know this at the time.
I came back and I was at TCC andit's fluorescent lighting, and
I'm looking at my hands, andthere's thousands of what looks
like freckles on both hands.
Like, I'm hiding themunderneath.
I just came back from Mexico.
We don't know what this is.
But then it evolved.
So I ended up going to thedermatologist and they come in
(13:30):
with a textbook and they'resuper excited.
They were so excited.
So excited.
They're like, you're in thetextbook.
And I'm like, what?
This is not good.
I mean, it's good.
You're diagnosing me, but that'snot good.
Crazy about it though is it'sevolved.
It was really, really darkfreckles, and then now it's
turned into like blisters andcracking of the skin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
But she still won't stop squeezing her limes.
Her husband and I bothconstantly offer, and she's just
impatient as hell sometimes withthis lime.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Sometimes I'm ready for my drink, and I'm just
sitting there, just like achild, being like, hello, can
anybody please squeeze my limefor me?
Because it's very prevalent inthe summer, which is crazy
because it's like a chemicalburn of the citrus, and it's not
lemons.
Right.
It's not orange, it's justlimes.
It's a combination with the UVrays.
So I thought I could beat itthis one time.
(14:20):
And I was inside mom's house,the sun was setting.
I'm cutting it next to thewindow, squeezing it in my
corona.
A week later, I'm like, you arejoking me.
It still got me.
I swear if it's a full moon, I'dprobably get it too.
But I don't know.
So yeah, I'd say my go-to drinkswould be a really good fresh
margarita.
No simple syrup kind of thing,like all fresh ingredients,
(14:42):
particularly the HuckleberryMarg.
That's delicious.
And like a corona or a sourbeer.
SPEAKER_01 (14:48):
I'm pretty sure in high school it was vodka and
orange juice.
SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
Yeah, I think that's a screwdriver or something.
SPEAKER_01 (14:53):
That was that was my high school drink.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
We don't condone drinking houseweed.
We're just, you know.
Keeping it real.
We're keeping it real.
This was a long time ago.
Statue of limitations.
It's true.
SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
Allegedly.
Weird mouth story.
I don't know how we got on this.
Both had a like$10,000 toothimplant.
SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Yeah, at the same time.
Same time.
Very different situation we hadbecause I mean, I'd never even
heard of them before.
SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
I'd not, I literally had never heard of somebody
having an implant.
I certainly didn't know the damnthings were$10,000.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
Yeah, if you've never heard of Care Credit, look
it up.
It's great for vet bills,dental, doctor, whatever it its
spread is now.
But that is the only reason whyI was able to do that.
Yeah.
That was nuts.
But yours went well, everythingwas fine.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
That's true.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
But I went through a little bit longer of a scenario
because they were going to takethe cap off and I start wincing.
And this lady makes eye contactwith me, and she's like, I'll be
right back.
I'm like, that is not good.
Like makes eye contact and kindof gives you that look.
It's not good.
It's not good.
I was like, you're joking.
That was really hard recovery.
(16:02):
Like, I don't like taking heavypain meds.
It was just like excruciate.
I don't know if y'all have everhad mouth pain, but it's top
notch.
Listen, I don't like a dentist.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
I get nitrous to get my teeth cleaned.
Yeah, you do?
I do.
I get nitrous to get my teethcleaned.
I believe we listen and we don'tjudge.
Comfort dentistry is a thing.
I don't want somebody in mymouth.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure.
I mean, it is uncomfortablewhile you're doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
You're like, where am I?
What is that noise?
So fun.
Yeah.
Construction site in my mouth.
Yes.
No, but that was a bummerbecause you got to go through it
easy breezy.
And then I had to have it redoneentirely from the beginning.
So I had no tooth for almostthree years.
And it cost you 10 gray.
(16:48):
And thankfully, though, theydidn't charge me double.
But yeah, so that was fun.
Have you ever broken a bone?
Pinky toe.
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
That's it.
I've never broken a bone.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
So mine was dumb.
So when I did gymnastics, youhave the uneven bars, and the
bars have a cable.
And there's almost like a metaleye hole looking thing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
You caught your toe.
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
And I just I guess I wasn't looking, and I just
walked full force and the pinkytoe just damned it.
Oh, that sounds so painful.
I'm glad you haven't brokenanything.
That's good.
No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
Favorite vacation spot.
I mean, we can just say anytimewe're fucking going somewhere
and it's great.
SPEAKER_00 (17:20):
Honestly, I love a vacation.
It doesn't, it could be twohours away and I love it.
It could be a staycation and Ilove it.
But some of the best ones havebeen the California one was
really fun, particularly likeCarmel.
Yeah.
That spot was awesome.
Gorgeous area.
Even like Dustin 30A, AlligatorPoint, just like anything
low-key right there on thebeach.
Colorado's really fun.
(17:41):
Honestly, I could go through allof my trips I've ever been on
and like I love something aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a beach girl, like I absolutely
love the beach.
Uh, alligator Point is myfavorite.
I'm really, really, reallyfalling in love with
Jacksonville Beach.
SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
I do too.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Yeah.
But if there was one place thatI was gonna move away from our
family or away from, it wouldprobably be Jacksonville Beach.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
I like how it's such a big beach that there's
hundreds of people all up onthere, but it doesn't ever feel
crowded.
It doesn't ever feel like youdon't belong there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Yeah, everybody's healthy, man.
They're up in the morningsurfing.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
You could stay within like a one mile radius
and you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
Yeah, it's a vibe.
And so I do really, really enjoythat.
I loved Montana.
That was an incredible place tovisit.
I want to go there one day.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
I want to go to Maine when it's not negative 30
degrees.
I built character on that trip.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
That's what we call it when something sucks and we
made it through.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Let's see how many pets have you had at one given
time?
SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
Most ever at one time was seven dogs.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Insanity.
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Yeah, all rescues.
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
Which is great.
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Yeah, I'm a dog person.
Like I've had cats, cool.
I did have a really cool catthat would get in the bathtub
with you.
That was Velcro.
But dogs have always kind ofbeen my go-to, and they've all
lived long, healthy, wonderfullives.
This is the first time I justlost my dog.
I know.
RIP just I know.
Diamond just passed away and shereally was a girl's best friend.
(19:14):
So this is the first time in mylife that I've not had a dog.
Which is crazy.
Yeah, and I'm kind of in aholding pattern.
I want to traverse it.
No, I want to travel a littlebit.
Nobody could ever replaceDiamond.
So yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
I'm sure there's another dog inmy future, but I just don't
know.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
I know.
That's what's hard.
Like when I had my husky Coda,that was my sole dog.
That was a dog I always wanted.
I had a beanie baby named Balto.
I was getting a Husky one day.
That was a wild story because Iwas going through a long-term
relationship breakup.
It was like a four-year-oldemotional.
I was all over the place.
(19:54):
It was a hot mess.
I'm like going another sister.
No, but that's the problem.
I'm going into college.
I've just gotten off of this bigbreakup, and we're in Colorado,
and I'm on petfinder.com in myother sister's office, and I
come across Coda's pictureliving at dad at the time.
So dad is game.
Dad's an animal person, he'sabout it.
(20:14):
So I show him this picture.
Mind you, it was a lot of money.
It was a thousand dollars.
Although some of that was thetravel expense.
So technically, he wasn't thatmuch.
Yeah.
So I decided I want this dog.
He doesn't even bat an eye.
He's like, yeah, sure.
Like, okay, great.
So I'm literally buying thisdog.
I'm online.
Never seen it.
Nope.
Don't know these people.
There's literally two picturesof this dog.
(20:35):
Yeah.
And it's in like Missouri orsomewhere.
Wiring people money.
No, can't even get there yet,right?
So I'm not wiring them money.
Christy drives me to the WellsSpargo in Colorado to take out
cash to pay her to then put iton her card.
So this is a very like detailedstep-by-step process that nobody
said, Hey Melissa, like, maybepump the brakes, think about it
(20:58):
for a minute.
Yeah, so I uh I wired the ladythe money.
Weeks go by.
I hear nothing.
I remember I'm talking withBailey, one of my best friends,
and we're sitting there at aChick-fil-A, and I'm like, I
think I got scammed a thousandbucks.
Next couple days, I finally getan email, and then I get like
tracking information, and so hewas flown to the Tallahassee
(21:20):
airport, and me and Bailey wentto go pick him up.
That dog was absolutely amazing.
But then it's crazy because Ialmost lost him because he came
sick.
SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Yeah.
And then he came with Parvo.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah, so he beat Parvo, which is really, really
rare for a dog to do.
And then he lived to 11, whichwas super unexpected that he got
sick because he was totallyfine, and then he stopped
talking.
He's like a major talker, if youknow Huskies.
Summing that up to say when hepassed, I'm like, I'm never
getting another Husky.
Like, how will there ever beanother Coda kind of thing?
(21:52):
And so I did not get anotherdog, I got a cat.
So you never know if you'll endup getting like another Great
Dane, or you'll get you'll gofar left and get another weird
animal.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
If you know me, you know that I have had an
obsession with wanting a monkey,and everybody has again, they
get mean, they get no, listen, Ithink it's about how you raise
them.
I mean, there are monkeys thatare trained to be service,
seriously, service animals.
They'll do your dishes.
SPEAKER_00 (22:18):
Oh, we've watched the videos.
SPEAKER_01 (22:19):
Yeah, there's a whole monkey university.
There is a monkey university.
Melissa brought me a monkey backfrom Costa Rica.
That's as close as I could getfor you.
It's true.
It's it's a little monkey andit's you get to look at it every
day.
Every single day.
It's on my refrigerator and it'sright next to my coffee.
He's cute.
He is very cute.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Maybe that's you manifesting your monkey when I'm
gonna.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
I'm just saying, people would come just to see
the monkey.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
I would think so.
Yeah, they you know, we have siton my shoulders and do the
estimates.
I could teach it to writeestimates better than AI.
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
I don't know what some of our listeners, some of
their wildest animals are ortheir favorite pet.
I think that would be reallyneat.
So you guys share that with us.
Like do our own little petcontest and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Yeah, show us your pet.
Like, I could watch all thevideos, the compilations they do
of cats being weird, dogs beingweird.
Like they're just so funny.
They make life better.
They do, honestly.
Absolutely.
What do you want to know aboutpeople on a first date?
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Uh that they're not a serial killer.
SPEAKER_00 (23:14):
Um I can vouch that for you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
Yeah, like, yeah, my my whole ideas of first dates
have changed now.
I mean, so, so glad I don't haveto date.
Yeah, it's a very differentworld.
It's I'm I'm not gonna do one ofthe apps.
I like just the apps weren't bigwhen I was dating.
No, I like just the people thathave similar interests and are.
(23:36):
So essentially like friends offriends.
Yeah, friends of friends.
Some little meat cutes.
Yeah, something along thoselines.
When you're my age, everybody'sgot scars, right?
We've all got scars and battles,and so all of that stuff, and
just trying to impress peoplewith listen, we're grown.
I'm a grown woman.
I have my own company, my ownmoney.
Like, I've got my own boat.
You know what I mean?
So you're not gonna buy me orimpress me with that type of
(24:00):
stuff.
I'm gonna need you to like be agentleman.
I'm gonna need you to honestly,I'm gonna need you to bring
intellect to the game.
Yeah.
Like, I I need a conversation.
Yeah.
I mean, I need to be intriguedand interested in that person
and similar interests, you know,somebody that wants to go to the
football game, wants to go tothe beach, wants to go on the
boat.
SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
I think it's inspiring, I'll say this, as
your little sister, to be in arelationship for 15 years that
was not doing you a service,you're not living your best
life.
No, it did not make me better.
No.
So to go from that to thenseeing you flourishing these
last few years is cool to seethat, like, I don't know, I
(24:41):
think it's all burned in all ofus that like middle age and you
can't start again, and you haveto find the love of your life in
your 20s.
So it's really a lot ofpressure.
And just don't even know who youreally are.
Um, you change so much.
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Yeah.
I mean, uh, who I was at at 21is certainly not who I am at 48
and a half.
Let's pray not.
Like, I hope we all evolve.
So, yeah, I'm gonna be 49 thisyear.
And uh, I'm excited about it.
Like, I really am.
I feel great.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
I probably feel better everywhere.
This year, though, likeinterviews with women.
Your 20s is like the fun,experimenting, whatever.
Then your 30s, you're likereally leaning into what you're
into at the time, starting afamily, whatever that may be.
But what I hear about your 40sis you finally just don't give a
fuck about what people thinkanymore.
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
It is absolutely true.
SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
And you just get to be like your true authentic
self.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Yeah, and that feels just really good.
I mean, it's very much just thisis who I am, this is what makes
me happy.
I'm always looking to learn andgrow.
So I'm I'm big into certainthings.
Therapy, I think therapy issuper important, and so I have
massages and but I really don'tgive a damn what anybody thinks
anymore, you know?
That takes a lot.
(25:53):
Yeah, well, honestly, I spentafter my divorce, I was
absolutely determined to notdate anybody, talk to anybody,
do anything for a solid year.
That was an incredible year.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Well, you have to figure out who you are outside
of that person.
Cause even let's just say you'renot in a great relationship
doing things with this person inmind, whether you're doing or
not doing things.
So to finally be, I amabsolutely doing everything I
want to or don't want to solelybecause of me is like Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
I mean, I literally could come home when I wanted
to, leave when I wanted to, eatwhen I want to.
I mean, shit, there's a lot ofnights.
I eat popcorn for dinner.
SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
But I forgot about this.
You're living your 20s in a waybecause you a kid at 16.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
So you didn't have that early college days.
SPEAKER_00 (26:43):
Yeah, you got no kid at home.
Yeah, I've got no roommates.
No roommates, the dog passedaway.
Like, I am literally alone.
You have adult money, so you canlike actually do things.
You're not like on ramennoodles.
Yeah, it's there's a lot offreedom to it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Yeah, I would say all the ladies out there and the
guys too, like, you live yourlife, man.
Just do what you want to do.
Go for it.
But yeah, there's just freedomand finally being able to say,
you know what, I don't have toimpress anybody.
I'm gonna wear what I want towear.
You know, there's just somethingabout, and I I just encourage
people to do it earlier.
I mean, shit, why do you gottawait till your 40s to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Like, figure out Well, and like that's what this
podcast honestly makes me thinkof is I kinda struggle with
imposter syndrome where I'mlike, I don't feel like I belong
in the room or why, why should Iget this whatever?
So, like this podcast, I'm like,why not do it?
Like, honestly, if five peoplelisten to it, great, we love all
(27:36):
of you.
But then if it does evenamazing, great.
But like give yourself theopportunity and the grace to go
for it because I think so manyof us, especially myself, I'm an
overthinker.
And then I'll just think theshit out of something and then
just not do it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
It's gonna like, I know we say unscripted and real
life, but she is gonna edit thissound like for 20 hours.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
And not like over-edit in a sense of like,
oh, I'm taking out all the goodstuff, but like I just I just am
more of a perfectionist than Ithought I was.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
And I think that you realize, I mean, for me, what I
realized is that you can doeverything right, still be with
the wrong person, you know,still think things still just be
shitty.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
They just don't work.
I know people have religioussituations, so I get that.
But if you have the opportunityto live with your partner before
marrying them, that's the trialrun you need because they say
the first year of marriage isthe hardest.
It's whole.
Because you're living togetherand you're figuring out each
other's likes, dislikes.
Are they messy?
(28:39):
I'm the messy one.
Yeah, like, you know, that's thehard part.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
That's very true.
Again, I just think that thislife is meant to be lived.
There is great freedom in beingable to just be you and make
those decisions.
And yeah, I'm embracing it rightnow.
I think it suits you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
Thanks.
I think you shine brighter.
I think you there's a clear likeif someone saw you four years
ago and they saw you right now,it's very big difference.
And I think it's just beingauthentic, truly.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
You know, I think there's a lot of probably
listeners that have been throughthat where you're you're faking
it or you're, you know, you'retrying to put on a smile when
you know things are just notgood.
When you leave that stressbehind and you let go of of
negativity, stress really cankill you.
I mean, it was I think itliterally made me sick.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
You almost died, I feel like.
That was weird.
This girl got down to like 89pounds, nobody knew it was
wrong, and then I'm no doctor,but I'm gonna say it was your
body shutting down pre-grievingdad.
SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
Yeah, it was and that was wild shit.
I honestly I I woke up one dayand I couldn't eat or drink, and
that lasted for a year.
I had to have IVEs four days aweek for a year.
Your nurse was awesome, so thatwas cool.
Oh, yeah, so I got IVs at work.
Like, don't listen, no employeeis gonna come to me and be like,
I have a headache, and I'm gonnabe like, that sucks, because I
(29:58):
have an I think provision.
And I'm still at work, like suckit up.
We really thought I was gonnadie.
I mean, I had gone and spent alot of tomato and nobody knew,
you know, they just kneweverything was paralyzed and you
know it was a virus and all ofthat type of stuff.
But I even through that, I thinkI tried to maintain a positive
attitude.
I mean, you have to.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Like if you start caving into all the fear and
stuff, it tanks you, like whenyou lose your spirit, like yeah.
So you just gotta stay.
But I think that's helped younow to where you're just like,
my dad died, I could have died,I'm living my damn life, amen.
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
Right?
And so, and that's again part ofthis podcast.
Like, don't have to go throughthat people.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
That girl rented like five beach houses within
three month span when she wasbetter for an entire like
summer.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
That was your little surviving life crisis.
Yeah, it was it was incredible.
Yeah, it's important to liveyour life.
Like, take the vacation now.
Yeah, I don't want to wait untilI'm like 90 and can barely walk.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
I'm saying, I'm thinking if I retire, I don't
even know, 65 or something likethat.
Am I gonna have a kneereplacement by then?
Am I gonna be like struggling towalk up some stairs?
I already get out of breath now.
So I might as well go while I'mmore like young bodied and able.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
I mean, do it.
Literally, like whatever it isyou want to do.
You know, it's your why.
What is your why?
Like, why do I get up in themorning?
So I do it because of my family.
I love my family.
You are genuinely my bestfriend.
I really want to take theadventures.
So that's part of again themiles between us.
It's these markers in life thatwe're just I call them almost
(31:36):
like checkpoints too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
Yeah.
Because when you get to certainpoints, you have an opportunity
to look back and be like, maybeI didn't do that.
Maybe I don't want to do thatagain.
Maybe I want to do that better.
Correct.
Like whatever.
So you have moments where you'rejust able to check in with
yourself and be like, am I onthe same path I want to be on?
And if not, take the exit andstart again.
Amen.
(31:58):
Do something different.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
I mean, that I've watched so many people change
careers, change so many things.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
And like, I envy that about people because in my
brain, again, I think it's theoverthinker part of it where I'm
like, how?
Like it's so crazy.
And people just they just do it.
They just wake up and they starta new thing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
You had people that were an office worker and now
they're a virtual yoga teacher.
I mean, people went for theirdreams.
And so because they're like, whynot?
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
The world's nuts.
What are we doing?
Let's might as well go.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
So I think we need to remember that.
I don't think we need a pandemicto teach us that.
I want to instill that in mygranddaughter and in your son.
Like, do it, go for it.
Let's just have fun, you know?
Stop taking so seriously.
Shit.
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Yeah.
What do they say that the themoney will come back, but like
the the time won't.
So correct.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
Yeah, you don't get it back.
You were a gymnast.
That was pretty cool.
I can still do a handstand.
She does a handstand every timewe're on vacation.
Yep.
I have pictures of her at ourshop when it was being built.
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
Yep, on the red steel.
Yep, on the red steel.
I have also done a handstand ona roof with my friend Caitlin,
possibly intoxicated down at thebeach.
Really cool picture.
Really dumb idea.
Yeah, those are the momentswhere you're like, ooh, early
20s.
That's that's a wild adventure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
To see you kind of blossom into this amazing CEO
and very confident and anamazing mom and a great wife.
Y'all, she is bluffing me upright now.
I'm blushing.
I mean managing being a mom anda wife and a CEO, that's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
That was the most wild year of my entire life.
SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
Yeah, it's it just really, really nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
Nobody you can read all the books, your friends can
tell you all the stories, butuntil you go through motherhood
yourself, it is wild.
I wouldn't trade it.
He's the coolest kid in theentire world, but you learn a
lot about yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Yeah, I mean, and and you're gonna continue to.
I mean, it's gonna continue tobe able to do it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
It just like rips rips you apart and forces you to
become new versions of yourselfbecause you have to.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Yeah, and maybe that's what life does to each of
us, right?
Like uh we've got a lot offriends and family.
I mean, everybody's gone throughsome dark times, some hard
times, you know, and it's okayto reinvent yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
I think it's inspiring.
Again, it's hard for me to wrapmy mind around the fact that
people can just build anew, butyou can.
Yeah.
Oh, another fun fact that my ownfather did not know this about
me until I was like 25 is thatI'm left-handed.
SPEAKER_01 (34:27):
I did know that you're the only one.
I think so.
Yeah, you're the only one of usthat's left-handed.
She got blue eyes, I got browneyes.
My eyes change colors.
Depending on what you're wearingand stuff.
Yeah, they absolutely changecolors.
There's a lot of times thatthey're a hazel, a little bit of
a green.
But yours are always they'rejust blue.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
No, they're beautiful.
Just blue.
Yeah.
They're like the ocean on acloudy day, is what I'd like to
say.
SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
It's true.
It's true.
It's so true.
That's what I'd love about this.
Is it really you guys have heardme I'm gonna have said true
probably a hundred times duringthis, but yeah.
But damn, it's nice to finallyhave some truth.
Truth about what?
Everything.
I mean, it's about your hairdown your back.
No, about everything.
I feel like people will just bemaking shut up.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
We've already talked about this.
I know.
See, I think I'm super stoked onthis on a personal level because
we're gonna have our own littletime capsule about like what was
going on during 2025 or ourrelationship, our family, our
business.
Like, this is gonna be reallycool to have.
So, again, if we have anaudience and we grow together,
(35:33):
cool.
I love that.
But on a selfish note, I'm gladI get to have this stuff like in
the archive that I can go backand see.
I mean, think about it.
When I came across that audio ofdad recently, I really don't
have much audio of him, evenjust like mundane talking, you
don't realize how much you'llmiss of that.
That main thing I can say isbefore you ever lose somebody,
(35:55):
anybody you care about, just putyour phone up and record y'all
like eating dinner together orplaying in the living room or
just ask the questions.
Yeah, I did do that.
That was the best thing I couldhave done.
I did an interview of our dad.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
We have a tradition that 14 of us at least spend the
night together Christmas Eve andwake up Christmas morning.
So we can all have a little todrink and do our interviews
Christmas Eve.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Yeah, true.
This is just another pit stopalong the way of all our
conversations and things tohappen on our little comfy
couch.
Yeah, thanks for joining us.
Signing off, Sullivan Sisters.
Out.
Make sure to tune in next timeon The Miles Between Us.
You can check us out onInstagram, Facebook, and
(36:38):
obviously here on the podcast.
Thanks, guys.
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