Cody Bartels: Keeping the Bakersfield Sound Alive and Embracing Country Roots

Ever wondered how the Bakersfield sound continues to shape modern country music? Join us as we chat with Cody Bartels, a musician on a mission to keep this iconic sound alive. Cody shares his journey from rocking out in punk and metal bands to embracing his country roots, drawing inspiration from legends like Buck Owens and Merle Haggard. We also dive into how contemporary artists like the Red Clay Strays and producers like Dave Cobb motivate him to blend the classic with the contemporary, creating a sound that resonates with both past and present.

On a more personal note, Cody opens up about the challenges of pursuing a solo music career and the rollercoaster of finding dedicated band members in today's scene. With valuable support from fellow artists like Aaron Crawford and Andy Schaffner, he’s managed to build a community that cherishes live music and mentorship. We celebrate the dynamic country music scene in the Pacific Northwest, spotlighting talents like Leah Justine and Joel Gibson Jr., and stress the crucial role authenticity and live performances play in cultivating a loyal fan base.

Throughout the episode, we explore compelling personal stories, such as the transition from rodeo dreams to music aspirations, underscoring the power of perseverance and following one's heart. Our candid discussion critiques the mainstream Nashville sound, advocating for genuine expression and artistry in music. From regional influences across Idaho, Wyoming, and Texas to tour plans and musical inspirations, this episode is a heartfelt homage to the enduring charm of authentic country music and the myriad paths artists take to leave their mark.


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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Cody Bartels how's it going?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
man, it's going pretty good.
How are you man?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's good.
It's good, a little tired.
I know it's early in themorning and I know you've got to
travel and I have to volunteerand stayed up late.
You said you didn't stay uplate.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, it was a night, for sure it was fun.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It was fun, but you're here early man 8 am.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
yeah, you said you had to volunteer.
You were doing the Rascal Rodeo.
Right, right, you got me out ofbed early.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, you said you're an early guy.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was up, but we're planning on being being here
this early.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Right here we are, baby yeah, yeah, and I
appreciate it, man.
It's been, uh, in the works forthe longest time I've been
trying to get you, I think.
Besides, you know your old ladyright here.
You know my wife and I areprobably like your biggest fans
on the east side.
Maybe I'm not speaking, youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, you've come to uh
like three or four shows yeahman, yeah, we love that sound,
dude.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I got her in the honky-tonk sound and she finally
understands what the honky-tonksound is.
Man, you know and and beforeyou just say baker still, be
like what.
Sometimes people bring updwight yocum, which he is, you
know, baker still, but then youget back, you talk to you,
you're like buck owens and youknow, my dad wasn't too, too
into buck owens, but he was moreinto merle haggard so all

(01:54):
bakersfield boys and then if youget go way back when stewart,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,and that's way way back, man so
for sure so.
So you listen to the music anddude you got that sound, man,
you got the sound Spot on, Spoton.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's what we're going for, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So my question to you is why that sound?
What inspired you?
Just to keep that sound andkeep it going, man?
Because you know anything.
Oh, you're good, you knowanything.
You're good, you're good, I'lledit that out, no worries.
You know, a lot of peoplearen't trying to escape from
Nashville, and they do.
They're already put to the side.
You know even some of the bignames out there, you know.

(02:37):
And then there's some peoplethat have that not sound that
Nashville's trying to take in,like the Red Clay Strays Dude.
Not sound that Nashville'strying to take in, like the red
clay strays dude.
They're really heavy on justpulling them in, you know.
And red clay stories, like dude, we don't play that much
country and if you ask me, theyplay more of the fifties and the
sixties.

(02:57):
You know rock, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Their new record is like I was like man.
This is like Marshall Tucker-y,but it's also Elvis-y.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's also like Chuck Berry-ish in a way but then also
there's a lot of Lynyrd Skynyrdlike Southern rock, but then it
goes all the way from the 50sto the 70s.
That record, that new recordthey just put out.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Phenomenal.
The first one is way better too, man.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
You like that first one better than the second one.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
First one Second one is great.
Don't get me wrong, I'm huge onit.
I've seen them twice already.
Okay, and they're hard to find.
You have to travel to get it.
You have to do pre-sells.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Second album is good, but nothing beats number one
dude man.
The second album was producedby one of my favorite producers,
dave cobb.
Okay, he's done records withchris stapleton oh yeah, you
know the best guys and man thatrecord is killer.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
It is I've been.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'm making a new record right now and that record
has kind of been like okay,what did they do and how can I
replicate?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
them without copying them, you know like because it's
so good that sound is freakingkiller right, well, well, one
thing, man, he has those thosekids.
You know his last name, brandoncoleman's, the the singer, and
uh, he has that persona.
He has that voice, that elvis,that old school, that old school

(04:23):
slick back hair.
If he can ramble, he can rambleIf he wants to go slow.
My favorite song.
The reason why I like numberone is because of Sunshine and
that veteran song, I mean dude.
The lyrics hit hard and that'swhy I like him so much.
So, going back to the sound,why stick to that sound, dude?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's, um, I don't know.
It's kind of just what I grewup on, in a way, like my dad
raised me on that, that Westcoast country sound.
You know it was a lot of Georgestraight, but it was a lot of
Merle, haggard, buckner, georgeJones, like that honky tonk, and
then that Bakersfield sound,know.
So, um, I was in a punk band, Iwas in a metal band and it just

(05:07):
kind of came full circle and,um, when I started writing my
own stuff, it just startedcoming out that sound.
You know what I, what I wasraised on.
So, um, I've always believed insticking to your roots, you
know, staying true to who youare and that's who I am is okay,
makersfield country player, youknow you got it.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
If you didn't, you wouldn't be here and plus I
would not be seeing you severaltimes, you know.
So there's nobody that has yoursound.
There's yotes, who has the rock, the old country sound, but you
have the haggard stewart owenssound, right?
Why hold on?

(05:53):
Dang, sorry, sorry, you, youhave that sound.
Why are you not in a band band?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Why are you not in a band?
Band?
Because in today's world Itried so hard to put together a
band.
But in today's world, finding aband, finding four or five,
three or however many other guysthat have the same amount of
drive, the same amount ofcommitment, the same amount of
like give a crap, you know that,want to make it happen is so

(06:26):
difficult.
You know differingpersonalities.
It's not that big of a deal.
It's not that at all.
What it comes down to is, whenI started a band I wanted to
rehearse once a week I wanted toplay shows on the weekends.
I was like gung-ho about it andthe guys that I was working with
just didn't have the same fire.
And it's so, so frustratingwhen you're like pushing as hard

(06:52):
as you can and the guys to yourleft and right are actually
holding you back.
You know, in bull riding it wasthe opposite.
You know you always surroundedyourself with winners and you
became a winner.
You know you are what you be,what you uh surround yourself
with yeah, but when you, whenyou have your own band holding
you back, it's just like, okay,I have to take a step forward.

(07:14):
And what's funny is that,because I uh took that step and
I'm a solo artist, if you knowfinger quotes around right,
right, right yeah um, my band ismore consistent than it ever
has been, like it's nine timesout of ten.
The same guys I got jesse jameson guitar, devin bland on drums
.
I got hunter dunn on the keys,david murray or martin strand on

(07:38):
the bass and then I'm playingguitar and singing and like,
because I took that step, I kindof do have a band now, you know
okay um, so yeah the way thatyou went about it.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
You know growing successfully, you know now going
solo is that the scene to grow.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
As a artist in today's world, I play four solo
shows for every one full bandshow, maybe even like five or
six solo shows to every one fullband show.
Yeah, I um.
There's more rooms that want tohave live music but aren't fit
for a full band or don't havethe budget for a full band.

(08:25):
Then there are venues that havea stage, full sound system, a
sound guy that comes in onfridays and saturdays.
You know, those places areawesome but, like wheat head
brewing, I played in town lastnight.
Yeah, or just outside of town, Ishould say yeah, it's uh like,
that's just a brewery yeah, likeit's literally a tasting room.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's awesome place it's a million dollar venue
actually.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, it's awesome but but it's not.
There's no stage, it's not likeset up for music, you know.
But they like, we have toappreciate them for wanting to
keep the live music scene, livefor supporting local artists,
and I mean, I'm from tacoma youknow yeah, yeah, they brought me
in from all the way on the westside.
I was talking to Aaron Crawfordlast night and they had him in

(09:11):
a few months ago.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, aaron, he's a staple around here too.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Aaron Crawford.
For sure, for sure, he's ahomie of mine, okay.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I mean you got tons of homies man.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Rodeo world and music world.
I mean you got to right Becauseyou're with them.
You know you guys play togethersometimes.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Right.
Well, me and Aaron haven'tgotten to play a show together
yet, but you know I've gone overand hung out.
We've written a couple songs,or put some stuff together and
honestly, it's guys like him,andy Schaffner from the band
Santa Poco, like him andyschaffner from the band santa
poco.
Um, it's guys like that that Italk to when I have a question.
You know when I'm right, I'veonly been doing this a year and

(09:51):
a half, you know, and there's noare you serious?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
yeah, and I've seen you so many times, and this has
been in the making ever sinceyou started, then yeah, yeah, I
am I.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I mean, I've been playing guitar for a long time,
writing for a while, but Ireally started this endeavor
about a year and a half ago andanytime I'm curious about
something like I was about tosay there's no handbook.
You know, so nobody wrote itout and said, hey, here's how
you become a musician, you know.
So I'll hit up Aaron and belike, hey, how do you do this?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
and he's super cool and be like, oh don't worry, bro
, I do this and he's super cool.
He'd be like, oh don't worry,bro, I got you.
Yeah, that's cool man, that'scool, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, it's a good community in the country music
scene, Especially like I don'tknow.
It's kind of funny On the westside, within like a 20-mile
radius, there's like the topfive country artists in the
pacific northwest in my opinionyeah, who are they?
Name three leah justine um cagedallas okay, I've heard of him

(10:50):
and joel gibson jr like.
Those are three of the myfavorite pacific northwest
artists and they all live likejoel's in gig harbor cages in
puyallup and leah's in tacomayou know, it's pretty awesome.
It's pretty awesome what about,uh?

Speaker 1 (11:07):
what about you, man well?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
what about?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
you?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
you're not one of them well, maybe, maybe I am,
but I don't really think of itthat way.
I just think of like otherartists inspire me to do what I
do yeah and I just try and focuson doing what I do, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
There's a I mean hopefully, that like I hope that
they see me the same way that Isee them, Like that's, that's
what I'm trying to make happen,but at the same time, I just do
what I do and they do what theydo, you know you're.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
You grind, though, man.
You are grinding day after day,week after week.
How many shows have you done sofar?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
this, year Over 100.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I don't know how you do it, man.
It's like a rodeo schedule man.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, yeah, I don't know.
I almost feel like I'm in thestage of my career where I'm
cutting my teeth Like I reallyneed to grind right now.
I've gained so much experiencein such a short amount of time.
Yeah, um, I can run sound formyself at solo shows.
When I started, I was pluggingdirectly into a little acoustic
amp and I plugged in my guitarand my microphone and you

(12:17):
couldn't hear a damn thing yeahand now I'm running alan and
heath mixer in the qsc speakersand it sounds amazing.
So, yeah, I uh.
Sometimes I don't even keep upwith how high a quality the
equipment is, yeah, but I uh,well, I don't know it's.
It's one of those things whereI want to do this like this is

(12:39):
something that I want more thananything, so, however, I can
gain that experience.
However, I can get my name outthere because, believe it or not
, I only get like two followersfrom every show.
So if I play 100 shows, I'veonly gained 200 followers.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, I got you.
So it's a hard push and you gotto go for it if you want it.
You know what I noticed?
Don't rate your success on theInstagram followers, dude, no.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
No for sure, Don't do it.
Well, unfortunately, you knowyou could think that I sound
amazing, but when you go on tourin order to get the guarantees
that you need to make it aprofitable endeavor, they're not
looking.
They don't care what you looklike.
They don't care how nice yourvideos look.
I mean that's all nice andthat's all fine and good, but

(13:26):
they're going to go down thereand they're going to ask how
many people are going to show upwhen this guy plays here.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's what a venue wants.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Of course they want you to sound good, yeah, but
I've seen artists that canbarely play the guitar, can
barely sing a lick.
They might be be a decentsongwriter, but man, I they're
not my favorite artists, butthey've sold out shows yeah so
because they've got a popularityon social media.
Kirk, cobain, just kidding, noexactly like that dude was

(13:56):
terrible but he's he was sopopular in this in the you know
um pop culture yeah that he wasselling out stadiums and it was
like what the heck?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
right there's.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I can completely understand the rest of the music
industry's frustration in rightin all that, you know, because,
but at the same time, like Isaid before, I just do what I do
and I just try so hard to justfocus on I'm doing something
that's completely different thanwhat they're doing.
So it's like comparing applesto oranges, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Well, you blew everybody's mind when you had a
bandmate, right?
Would you consider the personthat travels with you a bandmate
, jesse?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
The guy with the ukulele bass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
You blew everybody's mind having that guy play the
ukulele bass dude never seen itsounds phenomenal.
Sounds just like a stand-upbass.
Sounds like a regular bass dude.
It's like what the heck?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
we?
Um, he's actually my guitarplayer in my full band, okay,
and he is one of the best guitarplayers I've ever had the
pleasure of playing with.
Like he is, he's solid dude andplus he sings too yeah yeah,
he's awesome.
He's got his own band calledjesse james and the mob they're
one of the best blues bands inseattle, but I'm my buddy, nick,
or I guess our mutual friendnick martin.

(15:15):
He uh hooked us up.
He said hey, cody needs aguitar player, jesse, go talk to
him.
And so we got together and atfirst we were like so I wonder
how this guy's gonna work out,and he was kind of feeling the
same way like Jesse, go talk tohim, and so we got together and
at first we were like, so Iwonder how this guy's going to
work out and he was kind offeeling the same way, Like I
wonder how this band's going toturn out.
And then now he plays dang nearevery show with us, you know

(15:35):
he's working his schedule aroundmine.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, that's awesome man, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
So he's a keeper, oh he's the man, jesse, so he's a
keeper.
Oh, he's the man, jesse James.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Is he going to rock that ukulele though?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
The ukulele bass.
Yeah, he plays that thing atevery duo show.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Like when you guys get together official bands.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh, like in the full band, he plays a telly, just an
electric guitar, Still man.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's wild man.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
That was wild.
I've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
He's uh seen a lot of things I've never seen that.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Seriously.
Of all the concerts I've beento, never seen anything.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
A ukulele bass.
Have you With a resonator?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Before, before him you ever seen that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see,jeez.
Yeah, james playing a ukulelebass.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, he plays that thing like a guitar sometimes he
plays solos on it, you know, ohokay, he's like eddie van halen
on the ukulele bass, nice, nice, shout out to him.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So you said you've only been in the business for a
year and a half.
You did rodeo before.
How?
When did you start rodeo andwhy the change?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I started rodeoing when I was 15.
I had always wanted to do it,but when I was 15, my nephews
were getting into it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
We won't say any names.
Yeah, we won't say any names,you know.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
My nephews, connor Dean and Dustin Dean.
They started.
They started Junior Rodeo andthen they sent me a sign-up
sheet and they said, hey, youshould come rodeo.
And I was like had alwayswanted to.
There's videos of me, knee-highto a grasshopper, like three
years old, sitting on mybrother's barrel, and I was
sitting there pretending I wasriding a bull, and my parents

(17:22):
never let me.
And finally, when my nephewstarted doing it, I got my
brother to sign the sheet.
You know the sign-up sheet asmy guardian.
We went up there and I got on abull and I was just hooked and
then went all the way throughjunior rodeo, high school rodeo,
went to college in Wyoming on ascholarship and fell off

(17:48):
everything.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I was just so focused on the music program
because I had originally plannedon studying agricultural
business.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
And then I ended up studying music because the head
of the music department heard meplaying guitar and singing and
was like hey, you should comesing in the choir and play in
the band and study music.
So I started playing music orstarted studying music and it
just kind of the rodeo.
I was so torn between the twoit's so much to be a music major

(18:20):
and then it's so much to be onthe rodeo too, so I was just.
I couldn't, couldn't handle bothof them at the same time, and I
just had to make a decision.
And playing music was justwhere my heart was yeah I
watched the movie the dirt,believe it or not, and I was
like, wait a minute, I can belike a rock star instead of

(18:41):
being a bull rider.
I mean, it's like the samething you know right so okay, I
was, uh, I went for it and uh.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Ever since then I haven't looked back a
scholarship to music dude yeah,I got a scholarship to the music
program too but I was trying to, so you're natural everything
you do, no that was a quick no,you can ask.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You can ask anybody in the area.
I was not the rankest bullrider.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Not everybody gets a scholarship doing that, though,
man.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, but I guess what I always tell people at shows is
that, like me playing theguitar, me playing country music
started because my friendswould say, hey, can you learn
this song?
And then the next rodeo I'dplay that song for them, and
then they'd be like hey, learnthis one yeah I'd learn that one
play it at the next rodeo.
I would not be playing music ifit wasn't for playing around

(19:36):
the campfire at a rodeo okay solike all right, it led up to uh,
you know me playing guitar,riding bulls into guitar.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I don't know how it works, but it worked okay, well,
it seems like you got, you gotthe, uh, the combination, you
you know with the guy what's hisface, jesse?
Jesse jesse, jesse, james, manthat's a badass name, jesse
james, that's real name, sure?
okay, all right, I had to ask.

(20:06):
So, jesse, james, he has thepersonality that you like you
have yours.
You know, um, like I was saying, you know, uh, red clay strays
he has.
You know, brandon coleman, oneof the best front mans ever.
But the drummer, you ever watchthe drummer?
What?
When you get a chance, and theyhave a lot, uh, a lot of

(20:27):
footage of them, I mean dude,they're tiktok, just fiends, and
that's how they've grown somuch.
Tiktok, dude, I can't stand it,tiktok me neither.
But you see him, it's with, uh,brandon coleman and then dude
the drummer.
He has his own merch andeverything else and has a
personality of a madman dude,probably one of the greatest, I
think one of the best countrydrummers out there.

(20:50):
But they got it.
It sounds like you're gettingit, especially in a year and a
half.
So do you ever feel you'll getburnt out?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's already happened two or three times.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
But the ticket like I was just talking to my buddy
the other night about thispushing through that burnout is
so like rewarding, like beingburnt out and knowing that you
still have like two more showsthat weekend.
You're like, oh, I just want togo home, I just want to like
sleep, I just want to not haveto be stressed about getting to

(21:22):
the show.
My truck was giving me a fitback in the day a couple weeks
back, yeah and uh, I didn't knowif I was going to make it to
the next show.
I was trying to handle work andplaying shows, all this stuff,
and I was uh, it was hard, itwas really tough.
It was hard for me to keepgoing, but I, I want to play

(21:44):
music for a living, like I don'twant.
I mean, I've got no problemgoing to work every day.
That's not the problem.
What, what I don't want to dois like waste a potential that I
feel like was given to me.
You know, like, I feel like notvery many people have the
ability to put words together orand I think everybody does have

(22:05):
the ability, but not very manypeople like get that fire to
like you know what I need towrite a song?
yeah and you know, for thosepeople that don't have that fire
, I feel like I'd be doing thema disfavor if I didn't
capitalize on this like wait aminute, I can do this.
Like I can play the guitar, Ican write a song, I can put

(22:26):
these words together.
I don't know if you've heard mysong Good Enough for Me, but
anytime I play that song I gettwo or three people coming up to
me after the show and they'relike man that song, it meant so
much to me and I could relateand that's the whole reason.
I do this.
That's it, that's the the.
I don't know the purpose, Isuppose.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay, besides writing , when you're in the funk and
you know just burnt out, whathelps you get out or like what?
How do you notice and whathelps you besides?
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's pretty obvious, it uh, you just, I mean you you
feel that you just don't want toplay a show, like when you know
that you're like bummed, thatyou have to play three shows in
a row yeah when I started thatwas like oh guys, I got three
shows this weekend right soremembering why I'm doing this

(23:23):
like that's the ticket is justbeing like no, I, like you, set
out on this endeavor, like yougotta you gotta push through
this like there ain't no um,there ain't no time to like be a
sissy you know you got to standup and be a cowboy about it.
You know, yeah, it's kind of thesame as it was.

(23:44):
I take a lot from what Ilearned riding bulls.
You know you, you don't getdraw the rank is bull in the pen
and then turn him out.
Right, you know you, you don'tget draw the rank is pulling the
pen and then turn him out rightyou know you look at it as an
opportunity to go out there andwin this rodeo.
You know pull a check, so it's.
It's the same kind of attitude,like I got three shows this
weekend, who knows maybe there'sa nashville record producer out

(24:08):
there hasn't been yet, butmaybe there is, or maybe there's
the guy that has the Miles andMountains podcast.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Hey, it worked for J-Dub.
Did you see that?
J-dub Merritt?
Yeah, he's coming back onwhenever he gets a chance.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
He's busier now too.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, well, dude, that was the really highlight of
this podcast career.
Dude, this show really, uh,highlight of this podcast career
dude.
Uh, this, this, this show,because I had j-dub on and I
guess, uh, I don't do you knowthe story?
No, well, you know j-dub, mary,right.
Well, that's how we gottogether because you heard his
episode.
Well, someone else did, montanabig contractor.

(24:47):
I was like, hey, how about youcome out and work?
It's like all right.
Ever since then, man, he toldme the story.
I don't say too much about it.
Ever since he told me thatstory, man, I was just like, oh,
I did help out, okay.
So, yeah, no big, yeah, he's,he's got made, he's busy.
There's the reason why he'sbusy.
But, yeah, you know, that was,that was the highlight of of

(25:07):
this podcast man, him being, youknow, turned up, yeah for sure
turned up man turned up yeah,jimmy is.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Uh, he's a cool guy no, he's good, I've got a
nickname for him and tate lylehis fighting partner, yeah, yeah
I call him pork and beans oh,okay, so you're.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Oh, you gotcha.
Yeah, okay, you're pork andbeans.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And then I was just talking to jc on the phone
yesterday.
I was on the phone with connorand jc.
Yeah and uh, I was talking.
I was then.
I was just talking to JC on thephone yesterday.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I was on the phone with Connor and JC yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I was talking to them, I was like, yeah, I'm
going to be on that podcast.
And they're like, oh, yeah, wewere on that podcast.
I was like, I know, I know youwere on the podcast, you beat me
to it, I know Right.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And Preston Wynn was on.
Yeah, man, I really keep withthe locals and get those boys
walled up and get them hungry,man, because you know the guys
that are already at the PRCA man, some, there's some that are
seen, a lot aren't.
I want to get those guys thataren't up.
You know, and it's frowned uponwhat I'm doing with the big
guys, trust me, but I continueto do it and you know, ruffle

(26:16):
and feathers if I can, but inthe good way.
But the coolest thing wasyesterday.
You know I wasn't drinkingheavily, man, I got tore up at
the festival last week and I'mjust done drinking right now.
Right, um, so guy was all I waswith a cash, colby, and he's

(26:36):
like you're the podcast guy.
Oh man, I've heard of you, I'veheard of that.
I'm like dude, you just made mynight man.
Because burnt out, right,burnout, uh, wasn't burned out,
but I lost my father earlier inthe year, you know and so that's
why it's been off and on.
It wasn't off and on, but I justput out episode here there's
because, man, I just was tryingto like dial it in.

(26:58):
So you know, you're helping.
That helped and, dude, it'sbeen a wild ride.
But, um, the best thing is when, when, um, going back to what
you were saying, maybe thepodcast will help, maybe, man,
maybe it's.
It's crazy to hear and see wholistens and a lot of people are

(27:19):
like, why don't you put on video?
No, I'm not gonna fall in thatit's too much time.
This is too much time as it is,you know, editing audio, but uh,
I like I tell the people whoare on and listen and everything
else, dude, it's for bluecollar workers you know, yeah,
yeah, I walked into guitarcenter yesterday yeah and uh,

(27:42):
the guy was like oh, what banddo you play for?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I was like, because I had mentioned that I was
playing a show, uh, down here inkennewick and then in Davenport
tonight.
It's crazy man.
And he said oh, what band areyou in?
And I said Cody Bartels.
It's the Cody Bartels band.
And he's like oh, I think I'veheard of you.
And I was like oh, yes, youknow, it feels so good.
It's like, well, the word'sgetting out.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Cat's out of the bag.
You know, Dude, you're comingout here more often in the year
and a half that you've been.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm trying to.
Well, I play country music.
You know, the west side ofWashington is not like.
It's not known for its countrymusic, it's the tree line and
east.
Yeah, exactly, Well and there'slots of country music over
there but, like I said, I've gota lot of the really great
country artists right in my areabut a lot of them come over
here to play a lot of shows.

(28:33):
Like you said, Aaron Crawford,who lives in out in Enumclaw now
yeah, yeah.
He is playing shows inKennewick.
He's a staple in Kennewick.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Because they're just more like.
They take the country music,they're like, oh, this is what
we heard on the radio and thisis what we heard on the radio,
and this sounds similar and thisis what my dad raised me on,
because he owns a farm.
It's just the area it's morerural.
On the west side you get a lotmore Morgan Wallen fans.
Morgan Wallen's great and all.
But no, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, can I tell you something, man, people think
he's the GOAT.
Dude.
I'm going to tell you, and I'mnot afraid to say it dude, shit,
sorry, sorry, I just don't likeit.
That country, that Nashvillesound when people say, oh, I
want to go get Nashville, notyou, you know.
But I'm just saying In my mindI don't think it's working that

(29:23):
much, man, because they changeyou.
You have to like sell your soul.
Dude, it's not good, they havea formula.
Yeah, you have to like sellyour soul and dude it's.
They have a formula.
Yeah, that formula does notwork in this household.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, no, it doesn't work for me either, to be honest
, like they take this formulaand they say, okay, this is how
we know that this works, this ishow we sell records, and
they've got one for femaleartists and one for male artists
.
I mean, look at Ernest HardyMorgan Wallen, they're like all
the same person yeah, like allthree the same dude and then you
look at, like meg maroney, thatnew ella langley chick and uh

(29:59):
who's another laney wilson, likethey might look different on
stage, but the the businessprogram is like the business uh
plan is the exact same.
Like yeah, there's no, it's verycookie cutters, you know yes
there's.
I think that we need to um,there's needs to be more artists
that want to sound different,that like they hear the

(30:22):
programmed drums, that hear theoverproduced records and they're
like wait a minute, this isn'tlike, this isn isn't good.
This doesn't sound good.
This doesn't make me feelanything.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
When I heard the new Red Clay Strays record, I was
moved.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Like front to back.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Right, Even the new Post Malone album.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm a Postie fan Okay , same same, but not his
collaboration.
The long, long bed, the longbed, with him just having a
single or, uh, yeah, nocollaborations.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
that is solid, yeah, that is solid so what I loved
about that record is that it'spost malone.
He made a post malone recordand it was country themed yeah,
yeah, you know he didn't likeeven the song with h Jr.
He says that you know he'swearing a diamond ring and a
deer blind, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so he made it.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's so genuine it's still true to Post Malone oh
yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
He's just got a cowboy hat on now you know Well,
stetson made a trucker hatactually.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Right, Well, he's wearing an American now.
Did you see that they justposted oh?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
really they're getting paid.
Now everybody dude in there,they're making their money.
Golly, that's smart, that'ssmart business right there For
sure.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, they I don't know .
I just feel like people need tobe more genuine to who they are
, like.
Lainey Wilson's first record isreally good.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Have you seen her?
Now is really good, but haveyou seen her now?
I think she's on zip pick orsomething like that dude.
I mean she was solid lookinglady.
Now it's like I want her back.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I don't care what she looks like, I care about them,
like to be honest, they, they.
I could care less what anartist looks like.
I just look at their recordsand I'm like, wow, this record,
like her first record, is moving.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
There's, it's music yeah, that's what music is, is
it's?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
like art to be like, taken and then interpreted
however you want to interpret itbut it's supposed to make you
feel and think and dance youknow, right it shouldn't just be
this cookie cutter?
Like her, all of her songssound the same.
I can't think of any morganwallen song off the top of my

(32:32):
head that doesn't sound the sameas the next.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
They're just cookie cutter.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
This is how he sounds in every song and they use so
much auto-tune that you can hearthe flutter when he hits a
wrong note and it corrects hisvoice, but he's the GOAT bro.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
When somebody says the GOAT I, I'm like credibility
shot.
So yeah, just let you guys know.
Hopefully I didn't offendpeople on that, uh comment.
But she's changed man.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
That nashville sound made her change yeah, it did and
she changed drastically yeahone, I don't know, I think it
was.
I think you were telling methat.
Um we what Lainey Wilsonstarted as, like a Hannah
Montana impersonator orsomething.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And it's like there's parts of Lainey Wilson that are
so cool, but then you listen toher the records that she's
releasing.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And it's like why are you releasing crap music Like
write something, sit down, playyour your guitar, write
something from the heart andthen record it.
Have your buddy play guitar onit have your buddy play drums
like that.
To me, that's just what music islike.
I'm making a record right nowand I've just been showing up to

(33:44):
the studio with a handful of mybuddies and I'm like, hey, why
don't you go play bass?
All right, and they'll go in,lay down the bass.
I had the engineer ended upplaying drums like just because
he's like I bet you I could playsomething cool over this.
I was like, okay, go in there.
Yeah, and it was.
It's just been such an organicexperience and just to see that
being stripped from from musicis sad.

(34:07):
But I've been talking to aboutit with my uh, management team,
with some of my friends.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, you have a management team.
Not too many people in a yearand a half have even that that
was just luck.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I just was in the right place at the right time
for that one.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Keep going, sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Congrats, by the way.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
They're awesome, by the way,jps Productions, they're great.
Beth Pe appreciate it.
We, um, they're awesome, by theway.
Jps productions they're great.
Uh, beth peabody and jasonschrick, they're freaking
awesome.
They help me out a lot, um, butwe've just been talking about
how there's going to be arevival of this sound.
That's like organic, that'sreal, you know, like the red
clay strays, like um shootwhat's another good example,

(34:49):
tyler childers.
I mean it's been a little bitmore turned turkey cutter as
it's gone.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I don't listen to him , you don't like tyler childers.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Why is that?
Him zach brian dude zachbrian's terrible but tyler
childers come on I won't see him.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I won't see him.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I won't see him.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
But the band that Lucas Nelson, no, no, I'm really
picky in my music, man, I amvery picky.
And the country music today,not my favorite, billy Strings
Dude can play.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, the dude can play.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the dude canplay.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, so with I don't know how many episodes you
listen to with the musiciansthat I've had on, but you know
what, if you stray, not stray,but make your way to that idaho
wyoming montana utah soundthat's going on right now,

(35:48):
because they got that PacificNorthwest sound that you know
that Nashville has, and then ifit's all like regional right
I've had a few of those guys on,I've had a few guys, you know,
a couple of guys from Kansascity sound, midwest, you know,
and then you got that dirt Texas, texas dirt country that you

(36:09):
know they cuss every now andthen, which I don't mind it, but
the lyrics have to be good ifyou're going to cuss you know
what I mean Like Co-Wetzel who.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Co-Wetzel yeah, but, dude, it's gotten worse.
It was so good in the beginning, but what they've been doing is
that, because of what Nashvilleis doing to the music industry
industry, people ride thesewaves and then they get.
They get this wave and theyride it so hard and they milk

(36:38):
that cash cow for every centthat it's worth, and then by the
end of it, that they milk itdry, and then they're like, oh
wait a minute what are we gonnado now?
yeah, because, ko wetzel hisfirst record I I still listen to
that record.
Yeah, that february 27th,whatever.
That is a killer record, thoughevery song on it is awesome.

(36:59):
But the new, this latestrelease, I'm like I guess it
just sounds like another.
It sounds like a morgan wallensong, you know right.
Yeah, the drums are fake.
The there's auto-tune on hisvoice.
It's just like.
That's what I hate.
And even if it's not auto-tune,there's just so much production
like yeah, it's just soproduced.

(37:19):
Like I, I don't understand whywe've sucked the humanity out of
music you know, I want there tobe.
I want the drummer to miss anote every now and then yeah I
don't know.
I just grew up on beatlesrecords and george jones records
, where things just weren't.
I want the drummer to miss anote every now and then.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I just grew up on Beatles records and George Jones
records, where things justweren't perfect all the time
Right, and that's what I want tohear when I hear music.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Okay, you know Not this formula.
I'll tell you what country Ihate the nasally country, if you
know what I mean.
I mean, yeah, there's a lot ofit out there and if it's nasally
I don't hit that stuff.
But one band in particularlately man.
They put out a fabulous album,not red clay strays, but shane

(38:05):
smith and the saints dude.
Norther killer, norther and theyplayed the wheat stock last
week.
Yeah, it was, they had a freakstorm so they only played an
hour, but dude, them comingthrough like an hour long.
Uh delay and just kill it, dude.
And the wind, the dust and thewheat wheat you know is just
flying in and out of everywhere.

(38:27):
But uh, dude showed what kindof band they are, how they play
and, bro, it was solidperformance.
I need to see them.
They're coming to uh seattle, Ithink next month, but they're
awesome that sound cool soundthat sounds.
Uh, you know they're.
They're up and coming, butpicos and the rooftops.

(38:49):
You know that's the kind ofstuff I like, man.
I like the the up and coming,but picos and the rooftops, you
know that's the kind of stuff Ilike, man.
I like the the up and coming,for some reason man you know,
and if you're, if you sell outto the side to the side, so
don't sell out, man no, no, Idon't plan on it.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
The thing is is, in order to sell out, you have to
be, like, profitable to a recordcompany, and I don't think I'm
there yet.
I like doing my own thing alittle bit too much.
I don't like rules.
I kind of want to have fullcreative control over my thing.
I was watching a podcast withCody Jinks the other day and he

(39:26):
did it the punk way.
That is the most punk rockcountry singer ever.
He did the exact same thing I'mdoing.
He just grinded.
He went on tour with his band.
He played solo shows.
He played duo shows.
He did the thing.
He is a musician.
That's what being a musician isfor me.
And Daniel Donato.

(39:47):
I don't know if you're familiar, but you should look up Daniel
Donato.
He's the same way, okay, butjust tooth and nail worked and
earned it, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
And now you know he had that hit with hippies and
cowboys Right.
And he kept releasing music butnever had any like hit big hits
.
But he just built thatfollowing.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Now you ask anybody if you know who Codyody jinx is,
and I do.
They do anybody who?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
listens to country.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
He's the punk rocker of country man, and you know
another one that's like that anddoesn't get that much publicity
, but he's already there.
He doesn't need that.
It's turtle simpson dude, bro,he's coming to the gorge, are
you going?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I'm probably playing a show, it's crazy, I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I like, oh man, I have to go see music man, but
he's coming to the gorge.
I'm like playing a show.
It's crazy, I don't.
I like I don't, man, I have togo see music man, but he's
coming to the gorge.
I'm like I was telling my wife.
I'm like, babe, no, we got toget him because he does not tour
, and when he does it it'salready gone.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So it's like, oh, god he's doing that new johnny blue
skies thing.
Oh, that?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
have you heard it?
Eight, eight songs good yeah,number what number?
Five, six, six and eight minttea's good, but eight bro is
solid it's super good.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I like what he's doing yeah yeah, I am sturgell,
he's just the best yeah, oh yeah, killer guitar player, killer
singer but same same background,and but he does his own thing.
He just does it.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
He's like a huge influence on what I'm trying to
do, because none of his songssound the same.
None of his records sound thesame.
He is an artist.
Yeah, he is an artist and he'sa Grammy winner.
Was it a Grammy?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, yeah, he did that with that one album with
Blossom.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yep, yep, and I don't know if you know the story, but
he busked outside the CMAAwards because he wasn't
nominated for any CMAs, so hesat outside with his.
Grammy sitting in his guitarcase.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
And he sat there and busked.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And I just think that is the most outlaw punk rock
thing.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
So, speaking of awards, you won an award last
year, didn't you Well?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
kind of I got a runner-up award.
I was second place.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
But back then you were only in it for less than a
year.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
And you already got an award.
Yeah it, and you already got anaward.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Uh yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool.
It was pretty cool to at leastum the Northwest country music
awards over there in um Spokane,spokane.
Yeah, it was at the Bing Crosbytheater and just being just
hearing my name was super rad.
It was just cool to be thereand see there.

(42:32):
I mean it was just a coolexperience.
So being there was awesome.
I'm just hard on myself, that'sall I got you, I got you.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You didn't have to be there, though, right, was it?
Votes driven by the fans, hmmokay, what's stopping you from
going to region regions, youknow, right now, I'm just saying
you know what I said theregions, texas yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Right now it's just I want to build my following to
the point where it's hardbecause you can build a
following on the road but it'syou're not kind of.
You know, what you need to dois build a following in today's
industry, um, on social media,because then when I reach out to
venues in idaho montana becausewe're gonna, we've got a tour
route Idaho Montana, becausewe're going to, we've got a tour

(43:17):
route mapped out for next year,we're going to go on tour and
we're going to start reachingout to some venues.
So if you want to, if you'refrom one of those regions and
you want to hear me in your town, be sure to hit up the
management team Dude.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
We got a route mapped out, but we got to have
guarantees to make it work.
We can't show up and play for200 bucks, you know.
We got to be able to make itworth driving across the country
.
And in order to do that, yougot to be good and you got to be
.
You know, the band is um.
Finally, we're getting to thepoint where we I, I'd put us up

(43:52):
against some any local, any evenregional band.
You know you'd have to be a.
You've got to be pretty sharp tobeat my guys, it's not because
of me, it's because my band isfreaking phenomenal.
Yeah yeah, so they're some ofmy best friends too.
So I don't know.
We're finally getting to thatpoint where now it's just a
matter of time.

(44:12):
Now we've got to be in theright place at the right time.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So the more I interview you guys when I say
you guys, you guys are artistsand everything else, especially
up and coming and making a noisefor themselves and the
community they go by clusters.
Something interesting with methat's how I tackle mountains
right, and that's how I get allthese mountains.
And I go in a region.
I'm like, oh, I've, and that'show I get all these mountains.
And you know, I go in a region.

(44:36):
I'm like, oh, I've done thatone, I've done this one, this,
this, this, this, and it's kindof equivalent to what the artist
has been doing.
They'll go, you know, hit up.
If they hit up Montana, theymight do a show in Wyoming next
year.
Do, oh, hold, oh, oh, the yearafter that they'll, uh, do, um,

(45:00):
sorry, something weird, justmaking sure, okay, um, they'll.
They'll go montana and a couplemore in wyoming and then
montana and then work out, youknow, idaho, or you know they'll
just do it in a circle.
You ever think you're gonna dothat or are you gonna go big
first time?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
no, okay, we'll definitely go the route we have
mapped out for next year isIdaho, montana, okay, wyoming,
um, probably Oregon.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Nevada.
Nevada got a good scene too,maybe hit a show in Reno and I'm
going.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Uh, at the end of the year I'm flying out to Alabama
and I'm going to go play someshows down there.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
In Birmingham and Guntersville.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, I've been to Guntersville.
That lake is nice.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun.
I'm going down there.
My manager, beth Peabody shelives down there.
So we're going to go Me and myother guitar player, not Jesse
but my buddy Logan, we're goingon tour down there.
I'm going to play.
I think we've got five shows,six shows, on the schedule right
now.
Okay, yeah, it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Hey, but that's how people are doing it, man.
Especially you know the bignames who've been produced by
you know, jennings andeverything else does it, so it's
winning.
So all right, man, all right,jennings, and everything else
does it, so it's winning.
Mm-hmm, so all right, man, allright, so you are the Buck Owens
of Washington.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No, no, I think Buck Owens is the Buck Owens of
Washington.
I don't know if you knew this,but he had a radio station in
Puyallup, yeah, and he picked upDon Rich out of Olympia, or
actually Tumwater Washington,and then they started the
Buckaroos and they had aresidency.
I can't remember the name ofthe bar, but they had a
residency in Tacoma.

(46:46):
That's where the Buckaroosstarted.
So I'm pretty sure Buck Owensis the Buck Owens of Washington
Still though Still.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
But you're bringing it, have it, you're doing it,
it's great.
So what song I know, buck owensis your, your man.
What song inspired you whengrowing up, dude, and you, just
to this day at all at listeningact?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
naturally, really yeah, and that's because my
favorite two bands growing upwere buck owens and the beatles
like those two and they bothplayed that song.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
They both played out naturally, and I was like wait a
minute so they can.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
You can play a country song like rock and roll
and like a rock and roll band isplaying a country so like it,
that that's like, if you canplay both of those songs side by
side, both versions of thatsong side by side, like that's
basically the sound that I gofor, like I want to be the
beatles of country music see,when you say beatles man, I'm

(47:51):
not a beatles fan, you don'tlike that.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Oh, I can't stand the beatles dude, I'm dude, I'm
telling you so you like theBeatles?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
No, I can't stand the Beatles.
Dude, dude, I'm telling you.
So you like the Stones?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Dude, hardcore, what song, what, what song?
I can't even name one.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I have to name many Dude the Stones are so overrated
, man, they've got Jagger, theygot Jagger.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
That's who they got, and they're still alive, but the
drummer.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, got jagger.
That's who they got they'restill alive.
But the drummer, yeah, but no,dude painted black, come on.
But for every one rolling stonesong, that's good song, I will
say, or like um, what's theother good one?
I like, uh, beast of burdenisn't?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
that you can't beat.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
That that's a good tune, but for every one good
stone song there there's like awhole good Beatles record.
Have you not listened to likeRevolver?
Yeah, rubber Soul.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Revolution.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Was not a fan, not a fan.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I grew up Stones lead , you know.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I like Zeppelin too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think theBeatles, just the Beach Boys.
What about the Beach Boys?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You know, I saw them on Wednesday, dude they still
had it, man.
That drummer dude, john Boltonyeah, he's from Enumclaw.
Bro is bad.
He's probably the best drummerI've ever seen.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
He's freaking amazing .

Speaker 1 (49:11):
And he's on the Beach Boys and he sings.
So you know what's funny.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
So John Stamos played the drums for the Beach Boys
and he sings yeah.
So you know what's funny.
So John Stamos played the drumsfor the.
Beach Boys.
And then he needed, he wantedto play guitar, so he called
John Bolton and he's like mybuddy, bernie knows John.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So, like it was, I was like wait a minute, this
dude that's got Animal on hisdrum kit, yeah, and he's sitting
on a bar stool to play drums,bro, and he and he's lower than
him too.
Never seen that.
But man, he stands up singingand playing the drums.
It's like what the heck is this?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
dude, he's an animal period.
Literally, yeah, yeah, yeah,literally.
But uh, no, I have beach boysof all all the bands in the
world, but, um, you know billlove other guy there's only two
originals, but man Bill Love'sson, and then they got three

(50:05):
other guitarists.
One guitarist, man is solid.
That sound, dude, the 50s sound.
The only guy I know and seenthat can pull that off and he is
it's crazy beach boys.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That wasn't my sound dude, no, that wasn't my sound,
I just grew up with him yeah mydad is.
Well, he's kind of an oldsucker, so yeah I uh, he just
raised me on like that oldermusic.
We used to go down to a and wand my dad would buy us root
beer floats and I'd walk overand put a quarter in the jukebox
.
Yeah, they had an old schoolwith records.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Oh yeah, so I'd pick up the record and they'd put it
on and I just thought that wasthe coolest thing.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
We'd listen to Elvis and the Beach Boys.
I was like that's where thatrock and roll kind of
inspiration came from was theA&W jukebox.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, it's so cool to see Beach Boys were with Richie
Valens.
It's crazy, they're still alive.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Man, it's nuts, it's nuts and they're still going,
they're still hitting the notes.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, wow, and he's so charismatic on the stage man.
So my question to you you namedthose, but have you ever heard
of the Gaslight Anthem, the band?
They're like a rock punk, butthere's a song 59 Sound.
Have you ever heard it?
All right, well, when you getbored today on your drive to

(51:34):
Davenport I don't know how youhave the schedule, man so I, for
real, I appreciate you makingtime to come to the studio.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I appreciate you having me on.
Thank you so much, by the way.
Thank you so much for having meon.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, man, my pleasure dude, and I've always
wanted you on man, before youeven got runner up, you know you
had it, you had it, it, youhave it and definitely
appreciate that and want to putit out there.
59 sound.
So he has a voice of brucespringsteen.
But the sound, that album, theother albums coming up, that's,

(52:09):
you know something got to them.
He got into his head, went soloand now they're back together.
But the first album's just rolland I think you'll like it.
It's a 59 sound.
If you listen to it it's like apunk, but rock and like 59
sound.
You listen to that dude.
You got a lot of similaritiesin that and so I wanted to put

(52:30):
that out there because I'm likebro, he brings up all these
country guys but he needs tolisten to that and listen to
that album, just so he can get ataste of what I'm saying.
Man.
Because, dude, when I heard youthe first time, I was like dude,
there's something missing.
It's not just Owens, it's notjust the guys from Bako you know
, it's Nirvana too.

(52:51):
No, I was like dude.
It's Gaslight Anthem.
Okay too, yeah, no that waslike dude, it's gaslight anthem.
Okay, I'll definitely check itout, dude.
And he gets a lot of uhcomparisons with bruce
springsteen because you knowhe's they're from new jersey.
Bro, the, the noise, the sound,the guitar, solid, solid bacon.
I'll check it out.

(53:11):
Yeah, check it out, man, and letme know how you feel, man,
speaking of, how do you feelabout this right now, this
episode so far?
Oh, I'm pretty good, prettyeasy.
Yeah, yeah, how, how long doyou think we've been on?
Man?
Almost an hour, really.
Yeah, it goes quick.
Yeah, there's some, there'ssome, uh, episodes that will be

(53:33):
like dude, I don't know how I'm,I don't know how long it's
going to last.
We're an hour into it.
Then we get two hours into it,not saying we're almost out, but
with the sound, with the soundnon country singer that's always
in your playlist.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I would normally say Post Malone, but now he's
country.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Is he staying country ?
He said a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
There's a song he does with Jelly Rule on that
record and it's he's rapping,it's rap music.
I mean, I'm not a fan of Jelly.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Rule.
Oh, my goodness, you are aharsh critic.
I appreciate.
I mean, I'm not a fan of JellyRoll.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
You don't like Jelly Roll.
Oh dude, oh bro.
Oh my goodness, you are a harshcritic.
I appreciate that you like menow because you don't like all
these other artists Right.
Your vote of favor, man.
It means so much more to me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
It has to have the sound dude and if Jelly Roll.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
It has to have the sound dude.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
And if I guess, like I, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I just try and like he's doing what I want to do.
He's literally doing worldtours, he's playing these big
shows, he's making the money.
His job is to play music.
That's what I want my job to be, is just play music.
So, in a, what I want my job tobe is just play music.
So in a way, it's not myfavorite.
I don't listen to Jelly Roll.

(55:02):
I normally listen to the RedClay Strays.
Well, I just listened to thePost Malone record yesterday.
But I just try and whatever theaudience is liking.
If my friends show me a song,they're like, hey, this song's
really good.
I'm going to try and understandwhy they think it's good.

(55:25):
What is about that song is whydo they think that's good and
how can I use that in my music?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
How can I take inspiration from that?
We are totally opposite man,Really.
Yeah, I stray away from thefads and everything else.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I don't know.
There's something to be learned.
It's like saying that when youget bucked off a bull, I don't
even want to see the video.
No, you've got to go watch thevideo and understand why you got
bucked off.
So, it's the same thing withunderstanding music Even if the
song's crappy, I might be ableto pick out a production thing

(56:02):
that he did like wow, that steelguitar sounds really cool.
the reverb on that guitar soundsrad yeah there's so much that I
can pick up out of a song, evenif it's a crappy song you know,
I could hate the song, but Ican learn a lot from listening
to it.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, you know especially if it's popular
you've heard of dolly shine,haven't you, bro?
Check him out I will texas,texas, not too big.
He hasn't put any uh music onlately but dude the fiddler, bro
, but no, dolly shine,definitely old school like
george straight.
You know, check, check him out.

(56:35):
He was on.
That blew me out of the water,man, when I went to uh
wheatstock, because I'm like bro, he, he's not co-head well, he
was the second, being the guybehind the headliner, and I'm
like man, that's who I waslooking forward to seeing man,
them and uh tyler and the trainrobbers.
You know they're from helix butgo out in idaho and all that

(56:59):
stuff.
But uh, listen to them.
I was like man, this is the onebecause I I saw his discography
and his last album was like2015, 2016, and they're coming
up here.
Listen to them.
They're solid 90s, 80s sound.
I'm like, blew me out of thewater, check him out, man.

(57:19):
I don't know like he's up andcoming.
That sound, that sound ismaking a comeback, dude, and if
you listen to his stuff, he'sstaying.
True, that's the kind of artistthat I I am interested in.
I.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I guess for me.
I know that my music willalways come out as my music,
Like I'm not going to listen toa jelly roll song and start
making music like jelly.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Dude, if you do, you're done.
I said done, not dumb.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But I would be dumb but I, I, I don't know.
I guess there is, you know,maybe, maybe it could be an
example of what not to do youknow, there's.
What do you think of Zach Topp?
Not a fan.
You don't like Zach Topp, Dude,why not?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
What about him, don't you like?
I know he's from around here,right, he's from Yakima, I think
.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not a fan no, I like yeah, yeah, not
a fan no.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I like it, man.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I think that, like we've been begging for country
music to make a comeback, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
First you've got to define it.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
First you have to define it.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Define country music.
Yeah, you don't think ZachTopp's country Dude.
There's so many different.
It's very especially comparedto morgan wallen.
Yeah, like, I guess maybethat's where where my uh thought
process is coming from is that,like this dude has a real
drummer, it's real guitars it'sall real instruments.
And there's a steel guitar,there's a fiddle.

(58:51):
He's singing about drinkingbeer and you know, like those
songs don't appeal to me, thoughman I would they.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I guess they don't.
Every song is almost like thatand I, when it's like that, you
got to get me by the hearts, yougot to get me dude by the feels
.
But even the red clay strayshave a song about drinking beer
but still it's a solid and theygot solid uh songs before and
after.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Right, that's the ticket though, and I think that,
uh, like his record that hereleased, it was pretty
underwhelming.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I wasn't, wasn't impressed, but I can't.
I mean, he's a great guitarplayer, great singer, great
songwriter.
Like he's doing it.
That's.
That's what every artist wantsto do an artist.
I just see it from theperspective of like I can't hate
on them because they're doingwhat I want to do I'm yeah, I'm
more of a jesse daniels fan ohyeah, me too so he's, he's the,

(59:43):
he's the dude.
He's what I, that's what I wantto do yeah, yeah, and then or
daniel donato.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Okay, I'll check him out, I'll check him out my buddy
.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Um, I actually lost my bass player to jesse daniel.
Oh yeah, isn't that funny.
Sean peabody, my manager'shusband, uh, he left my band and
they moved back to alabama andhe started playing for jesse
daniel and I was like wow,that's a bit of an upgrade there
buddy, he's, he's, he's comingto the tavern and then going to
the outskirts yep did you playthe outskirts, yet I've played

(01:00:14):
there during a singer songwriternight but, I uh, I've got some
gigs coming up here, this therethis winter solo shows.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I'll be there.
I'll be there.
I was there last year, manthat's what do you think of that
venue, man killer?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
right beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Cody did a great job bro does he and you know what's
what man it's freaking whack is.
They bring in some good talentlike some of the best vincent
neil emerson, right, I saw, Isaw him jesse daniel uh, yeah,
he's coming next this week.
Hannah dasher yeah, yeah she,she comes next month right

(01:00:50):
something like that, yeah, yeahbut, dude, it's just like all
right, you go there and it isdead and I'm like, and I talked
to cody.
I was like cody, bro, like forreal, like where are the people
at?
Man, this is sad.
He's like right, people justdon't know.
I'm like, bro, they need toknow because vincent mille
emerson is here dude.
Um, that's, that's the kind ofmusic I like, man, mm-hmm, yeah,

(01:01:13):
but yeah he's a prick, cody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
No, no, no, no.
Oh, vincent, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Really, oh yeah, yeah .
So I like the small venues, butyou get to know the people.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow , yeah yeah, I like the small
venues just because a lot oftimes, like when I get to play
the same stage as Vincent NeilEmerson, when I get to play the
same stage as like a biggerartist it's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You know it's a great opportunity.
So you know when you went onthe same calendar as my name and
Hannah Dasher and Jesse Danielit's like, wow, that makes me
look really good, you know.
So, uh, yeah, I don't know.
No, it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, no, that that's the sound I like, man, that
authentic sound I don't.
I don't like you know.
Hey, you know, I guess justthat and drinking.
You know who was good, who wasgreat before they went all
drinking?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Toby Keith dude.
Yeah, he was I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Great before and then all he did was beer for my
horses.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I've got one song about drinking and it's actually
about like it's back on thebottle.
I don't know if you remember it, but I guess for me is that I
know that I don't write a lot ofdrinking songs.
I don't write a lot of drinkingsongs, I don't write a lot of
party songs.
So I guess I'm just trying tolearn.

(01:02:45):
I'm only 23 and I'm just tryingto take everything for what it
is, and I'm trying to absorbeverything that I can, take
influence from everything,whether it be an example of bad
or an example of good, and likeuse that to push my project
forward.
You know how can, even if it isthe like dumbest, most

(01:03:07):
overproduced fake country crapever.
You know, hardy, I can't standthat guy, but uh don't get me
started, man I, I can stilllisten to him and I'm like, okay
, well, there's how I don't wantto sound.
You know what I mean?
yeah so I I don't know, I thinkthat maybe being, uh, maybe

(01:03:28):
being an artist, I just havethat kind of like outside
perspective, you know yeah,we're gonna get on again.
Let me know when.
Man yeah, I'm always down.
I'm always around here, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Overall solid.
This Okay, Dude, I appreciateyour time man.
I appreciate you making timewith your busy schedule.
I know I have a busy schedule,especially coaching, Like
cross-country season starts,Work and this and that party.
You know I play hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I work hard, play harder.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
You have to yeah, yeah, so I won't get burnt.
But you know, I like thisepisode just because get to see
more of you knowing you, whatyou stand for, what inspired you
.
I also like it because I wasable to say who I hate, who I
love in a way, but mostly why Iput the people on.

(01:04:24):
You know a lot of people ask mewell, why do you have bull
riders?
I've told them that way.
So I appreciate you allowing meto use this episode to let
people know dude, I am a critic,always been a critic, and when
it comes to country music, tracy, you know my wife, she tries to
like what about this?

(01:04:44):
Nope click.
You know I'm for real, I'm veryI'm a stickler man and uh, but
no, I really appreciate youallowing me to use this episode
to tell you what sucks in mymind and what I can rock out
hell yeah, so with with you.
With that said, with you, beinghere means a lot.

(01:05:05):
It says a lot.
Keep doing what you're doing,don't be too hard on yourself,
enjoy every minute of it,especially with your lady here.
You, you know that's nice but,dude, the moment you change I'm
gonna be like dude, what thehell oh, I ain't going,
especially if you end up innashville or texas and you make
some songs about drinking andyou know last night.

(01:05:28):
Yeah, if you do that, bro, I'mgonna be like cody, what, what's
up man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
No, I ain.
No, I ain't going nowhere, man,I ain't going nowhere, I'm
staying right here at home, allright.
Well, I don't know, dude, I'llprobably like I don't know.
If I go to Nashville, I'm notgoing to live there.
If I go to Texas, I'm not goingto live there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I might go play because there's a lot of money
to be made there, right, abusiness move.
But at the end of the day, Iwill always be from tacoma,
washington.
My sound ain't gonna change.
I've tried to change it and itdoesn't.
I'm 100, 140 percent cody b,genuine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Okay, I can't help it I'll keep you to it, but, dude,
I can't wait to see you growmore, get bigger.
Stay true, man, and until nexttime.
I appreciate you, man.
Thanks, cody.
Dude, I can't wait to see yougrow more, get bigger.
Stay true, man, and until nexttime.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I appreciate you, man .

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Thanks, cody, we'll see you next time.