Cross Country and Health Challenges with Kyle Paulson

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Kyle Paulson.
How are you, man hey, doing?
Well, how about yourself?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Doing good man.
Welcome back.
Yeah, good to be back.
Good to be back in the TeacupStudios, yeah, it's good to have
somebody back.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
The last time I had somebody in it was in August.
But man, so much has changedand so much has gone on and so
much to talk about.
Man, you know, we got last weekthe election.
You know pros and cons, butthere, you know, if you go on
social media there's a lot ofcons.
No pun intended, you know.

(00:59):
But yeah, dude, it's just a lothas happened.
I'm sitting on four.
This will be my fifth.
So guess what?
Because this is my fifth andyou're in the teacup studio,
we're going raw and uncut.
Uncut, as you said.
Yes, unedited because.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm going to put this out, man.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think once we are done, I'm going to put this out
and just do a Rogan, but notreally a rogan.
So yeah, there's no, jamie hereno, because a lot of people
want to know, like, where's nick?
Where's nick?
I got a message from uh, froman old uh fan who went uh, who
lived in tri-cities and thenmoved to mexico.

(01:40):
She knows you, michelada, miss,dude, I'm gonna murder name
she's listening, yeah, yeahshe's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, yeah, trinidad, last name trinidad yeah, yeah,
uh, like michaela mckay.
But when you look at it, yeah,it looks like michaela.
Yeah, yeah, it looks likemichelada actually like.
But I know you're talking abouttrin.
Great runner dude, yeah, greatrunner man.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, I know that .
And she comes up like the daythat you just happen to be on
the podcast, hey, you know, justgive me a lot of encouraging
words and you know I justmentioned like, hey, this is
what's going on.
She's like, wow, you do have alot of stuff going on.
So, with that, said podcast isstill there.
So, with that said podcast isstill there, like I put on the
post on Instagram, but also beendealing with health issue.

(02:31):
Pretty big one man, pretty bigone, major, definitely dealt
with some death this year, whichhas been hard.
We don't really want to talkabout that, but do want to talk
about cross country season, man.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Congrats, Thank you.
Thank you.
It was a good, a solid year forboth of our teams, more or less
.
I know there are things thatcould you look back hindsight's
always 2020 or 2024.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
And I could always wish you may change a thing or
two here or there.
But yeah, man, end of the day.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I always wish you may change a thing or two here or
there.
But yeah, man, end of the day,I specifically work with the jv
kids.
Man and the jv kids brought itdude, I don't know man, they
brought it, they had that oomph,they had that, that, that drive
dude, that that pushed thevarsity kids, you know a bit,
and got them a little worried,you know.
But what's cool is um to seemajority of those kids go from

(03:26):
barely sub 25 to 20, you knowwhat I mean and then fight to 19
.
And it's just like all right.
So got a lot of kids in thatarea that just need to believe
in themselves, man, and the kidsthat you know from last year
that were the same way, theyhave that drive and then they

(03:47):
were stuck and then this year tobe on varsity, dude, and tear
it up and get those other boysscared, it's a good feeling, man
.
There's a shift.
There's a shift.
I see it, I feel it, I want it,I want those boys to have it.
You know, and it just feelsgood and you know we can.
We'll talk about your team, butthe JV team and like I've told

(04:12):
those kids, dude, they are justa step behind you guys, dude,
not going to say, like you know,when it comes varsity, we're
going to blow you guys out ofthe water.
You guys are the best in thenation.
Not this year out of the water.
You guys are the best in thenation not this year.
Well, you guys, you guys what,let's say, perspective wise, if
you're looking at top 25 infootball or basketball, right of

(04:35):
college basketball football,whatever you guys will be
mentioned, like maybe top 30,yeah, the honorable mention yeah
, honorable mention you mention.
I mean that's pretty damn goodwith all the other high schools
in the nation, right, oh what?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
over 2,500 schools or whatever, across the country.
But going back to your team,where before we started
recording you were talking about, you were with your C team.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
You were second behind Moses Lake.
Moses Lake, which man they?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
connell, they qualified for state.
Yeah, so the only team thatbeat your c team was a team that
made it to state.
Yes, yes, not a small inviteeither.
No, no, connell.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, it's different, it's different it's different,
will I go there again?
Yeah, absolutely.
Just because you get to seethose kids uh, grow blossom,
start believing in themselves.
Because you know it's thosekids grow blossom, start
believing in themselves.
Because you know, it's not toobig of an invite, it's just
right.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you know that hill.
That hill.
It's like people are like ohman, this hill is terrible, but
then those kids kill the hillman.
I'm like where did that comefrom?
They're like I don't know.
I was just doubt myself andthen I just went up here.
I'm like, yeah that's how you doit but um, I I pay attention to

(05:52):
the jv across the board.
It's uh, kamiakin hamford man.
It's like a one, two, one twopunch or two three punch of us
in hamford.
You know the guys that give youthe run for your money.
Man is Hermiston, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Hermiston is just like elite dude.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
But their JV, you know a little questionable.
They're not that big becausetheir best runners are with you.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
guys Are already up there dude Super good.
Weird how that works.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Troy does a great job with them, yeah dude, troy's
one of the best man, but no onecould compete with you guys but
hermiston.
Yeah, it's.
Thank goodness they're 3a.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, thank goodness they're 3a you know that's what
I really love seeing.
You know we're consistently forthat.
The last few years we've beenat a fairly high level and I
love seeing teams like Hermiston.
You know what is the term?
High tide raises all ships, soI'd love to see a team like
Hermiston come up, get in themix, beat us Now.

(06:58):
Show the Kenwicks, theRichlands, the Hanfords hey,
these guys are unbeatable.
Hermiston can do it.
Why?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
can't we do it?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
yeah, and they start going at that next level and
they're now in the mix andthey're talking about state
titles, that's great, that'swhat I'd really love to see, see
with that.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, it's kind of yeah, and then walla walla
had a good team yeah, yeah withian.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Oh, what's that?
People can look it up.
I think, yeah, they've gotgreat individuals up front,
which really helps lower thatteam score lash, is it?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
yeah, yeah, man, that boy's bad oh yeah, that boy's
bad, you're fast.
And your boy, man, your boys,uh, dude, I don't know man I to
watch them, it I'll, I'll letyou, I'll let you know it gets
old to watch them because, dude,you guys are just dominant.
Well, luckily they're seniors,so you don't need to watch them.
Because, dude, you guys arejust dominant.

(07:44):
Well, luckily they're seniors,so you don't need to watch too
much.
No, it's just like okay, man,when you guys are healthy and I
know you guys are healthy andhave been healthy even if you
have a bad day, a wrong week, abad week, you guys still
dominate.
And seeing you guys, man, it'slike man, this is what I want my

(08:06):
team to be.
You know, and I tell Matt allthe time, like dude, the way
your kids top three, top five,top seven runners, you know,
encourage the younger kids, theJV kids.
Your team, your b and c team,it's in, it's incredible, man,

(08:27):
it feels good.
And I was like man, you guysset the tone.
And yeah, man, I, I try to setthe tone and kibosh you know,
and but but it's, it's reallygood that you guys have that
environment, man, that winningmentality and and strive off of
in those kids love it.
And man, I never see a kamaicankid do his own thing, never see

(08:52):
a kid, you know, not cheeringon another fellow teammate.
You know I mean even top seven,you know oh, yeah, I mean, you
see the big dog in there, youknow teeps, you know?
No, it's just, it's.
It's incredible.
And I tell matt all the timewhat you guys have is, uh, a

(09:16):
winning, a winning team dudefront to back.
I'm just saying so it's justbuilding team culture.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
What it really takes is just one class to go.
Okay, here's the way things aregoing to be done.
We're going to make sure,before we graduate, the guys
below us know, and they're goingto make sure the guys below
them know, and then so that whenthat senior class graduates,
they've already got theexpectations down for three
grades and then they teach it,they teach it.
They've already got theexpectations down for three
grades and then they teach it,they teach it, they teach it, so

(09:46):
that you can still keep talkingabout how good you were this 10
years later and the team'sstill still just at that point
or higher.
So it's just being lucky withhaving kids that listen and yeah
.
Want to better themselves andbetter their teammates and their
, their boy scouts.
They they leave a bed in thethan when they found it.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, set an example.
Oh yeah, that's the one youshould get on the pod.
Is is Matt I think he'd reallyI've, I've, I've mentioned it.
I really like it.
But yeah, I really haven'tapproached him and then that you
should, he did a podcast withsome random sports reporter, I
don't even.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It just randomly came up.
I didn't even realize he haddone it and you know what's?
Great about that I think it waslocal.
It's like Yakima, like ESPNSoutheastern Washington.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah so it'slike local in the sense that
it's ESPN, but it's like, Iguess, centralized to
Southeastern Washington.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, it's something really small, some small outfit.
But yeah, yeah, but but he'sreally big.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
He's like a little short guy, right.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it's hard to hard to seerex in a crowd.
You got to really kind of notrex the the guy.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Oh no, no, it's a gal .
Oh, it's a gal.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, it's a gal, some random gal, okay, all right
so she just like went to theschool and it's out there.
Um, if you look up, like mattrex's mike and interview yeah,
it's somewhere on there.
But okay, what's great.
I mean talk about setting theculture for the boys.
I mean talk interview is justlike with rex talking.
I'm like, okay, that'ssomething he said five years ago

(11:16):
, ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know, it's like nothing really changes, it's
just uh if it ain't broke, don'tfix it exactly, but you guys,
you guys have it, you guys havethis method and sticking to it,
and you guys are winning man.
So my question to you is, dude,how much longer does matt have?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
that's not.
That's not for me to say.
I know, and he loves coaching,so there's a lot I think you can
do that up until you're reallyold, but he can retire from
teaching and just keep going.
So I think, he really enjoys itand it's easy.
I mean he talks about it allthe time.
He goes from teaching aclassroom to going to practice

(11:59):
and just being motivated himself, because the kids that are
there are the ones who reallywant to be there.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Keeps you young, exactly there.
Keeps you young exactly keepsyou young, exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So I asked that question, because how long do
you have it in you, man?
You know, what's really beenhard for me is just with my own
two young kids I've got athree-year-old, who's gonna be
four in December.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
The ex-25 in front of or behind a camera.
Yeah, exactly, he's always withme, cameraman.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh yeah, I took him to practice one time and we're
recording to get splits and helike runs out right in the
middle of one of the athletesand he like dives over him.
It's just this great video.
Oh man, it's over him.
It's just this great video.
Oh man, it's hard to.
I'll just show you one day.
But, um, he really wanted tohit the split.
So he like grabbed his headkind of, pushed him to the side

(12:51):
and leaned at the line becausehe really wanted this interval
split.
So, and, uh, give him a hardtime for that every now and then
it's like, hey, if we want, ifwe want noah to dive at the line
, I'm gonna put my son right,yeah, right at the line for him
to dive so he can make sure hecan beat the next guy.
But, um, no, james, james lovesgoing to practice, my little
little boy yeah, but it's hardyou know, and with any coach,

(13:13):
with anything really, you know,it's weekends away, or a week
and one day of the week awaywhen it's a beautiful day, and
maybe you think, oh, I could beat the, the playground with my
son, not, uh, yelling Splits inSpokane or something like that.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
But it seems like he does a good job, though he knows
, Even though at Max Jensen hewas like I'm going to go to the
car, Dad, I'm going to go to thecar.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I want to go to the car.
He's like I want to go home.
We've already said that ahundred different times.
He's like oh, I want to go withyou.
And then we get there.
He's like I want to go home.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
You just need to tell him we're going far, far away
so you won't have that mentality, that attitude Like hey, I know
, we're just down the road.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I'm going to go to the car.
We're going to go back or evengo to the tents.
I like, I like seeing that kidaround man.
Oh yeah, keep bringing them.
You know, it's like religion.
I figure, if I keep doing itand keep bringing them,
eventually I'll brainwash theminto being my own little runner
uh, brainwash it's like religion.

(14:14):
It's better when when you startthem young any commitments yet.
Your runners um, not yet.
I know a couple of them aretorn up on a couple decisions
where they're.
I think they'll finish it upsoon now that the season's over.
They're just waiting on on somethings.
But I know like a couple d1schools for ezra and our number

(14:36):
two guy, he's looking at acouple d3 schools which is
really cool.
That's really good for him,because there's we had runners
that really good and tried D1teams and maybe they got burned
out or, you know, didn't reallywant to keep doing it.
So I'm D3 just has this wholementality around it, which I
really think is cool becauseit's you know, there's no
athletic scholarship.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
So you're just doing it because you love it.
Yeah, like high school.
Like high school, exactly,exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So you know, you go on like message boards or forums
and you see there's a lot morediscussions around like D3 cross
country than D1 or D2, becauseit's just the guys are just
passionate about it.
Yeah, still care about theiralma mater's or how their
conference does.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Because, yeah, really trying to
get that mindset too.
And the team like hey guys,like for real that mindset too.
And the team like hey guys,you're like for real, it's
probably two, three people thatcan make it d1 in this, the,
this league.
It's like you might want tobring it down to juco, or you
know, division two, divisionthree in a ia.

(15:38):
You know that kind of thing youwant you're talking about.
You know guys like BYU NAU, youknow Montana State, you know I
watched them closely.
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you knowit's D1 or go home, man, or bust
, and it's a lot of bust, a lotof bust.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Especially with some of the roster restrictions.
I don't know if you saw for theSEC.
Sec, man You're cuttingeverything down Like 15 roster
no, was it 15?
No, it was like 10 roster spots, yeah, which is like that's not
even a full team, because youget one guy that's out, two guys
that are out you barely got in.
But they've also this last yearbrought in a bunch of like a

(16:22):
28-year-old.
So this last year brought in abunch of like a 28 year old, I
don't know if you saw this.
It's like Texas A&M, I think itwas.
They have a 28 year old.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Was it Texas?
It was either that or OklahomaState.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So Oklahoma State has a bunch but Texas A&M got a guy
who is 20 years old.
He's on a half marathon fasterthan the American record.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, and he has the eligibility of a
freshman as a.
He has the eligibility of a 18year old american kid.
All right, how does that makesense in any world?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
so, so funny man.
It's funny how you ask, becausewhen that happened I talked to
uh, one of my buddies who's fromuh entiat kenya and I asked him
.
I was like how is this?
Is this?
A lot of those kids, believe itor not, grow up poor, oh yeah.
They either go in a privateChristian school, you know,

(17:13):
catholic school, whatever, andif they don't have money, right,
the ones that don't have moneyare just trying to bust their
butt to make it.
And that time is him bustinghis butt to make it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
And the reason why they're 28 is they're finally
getting the recognition, yeah,that I guess they earned and
deserve, and it makes sense,like at first I hated that that
man, I'm like 28 years old man,you know, but I I feel, after he

(17:51):
explained it, that you knowmajority of them were
impoverished, uh, okay yeah, Imean I know they're coming here.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
They're searching for a better life they want
opportunities which I think isfantastic.
More you know use the, thegreatness that you have within
you to to get here, but you haveto be 28 yeah, yeah, I don't
care where you're from.
It could be a 20 year oldaustralian same thing right do
you really need to be competingin the ncaa?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
true, true, but I I feel that's his way of getting
recognition and what he deserves, compared to the people who had
money in his town that werealready brought up at 18, 19, 20
.
You know making it that way, soI I do get it.
Oh yeah, it sucks in a way, butI also see it's empowering them

(18:40):
as well like, as long as itleads to american citizenship.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So that's the new american right.
He can get the new americanrecord then I'm all for it, but
yeah yeah, no, it's, yeah, I, Isee it.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I used to be like what the heck you know this is?
This sucks.
But um, after he explained it,man, he has it's.
You're either really rich inthat game over there or really
really poor and the majority ofthem are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So after he said that, it waslike okay, put things in

(19:13):
perspective.
So third in the state Yep Teamdid.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
They did well.
They did well.
You know we're.
I think if you get rex's onhe'd do a better job explaining
it, but you know he's talking toone of the coaches there.
We're missing a few guys, butwhen you're at the start line
the gun goes off.
No one cares if you're missingyour whole varsity or just one
guy in the varsity, it's justyou got to race with what you
got.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
So third, third is really really good with
everything we had going on.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Third is great 22 teams Is it 22?
I think it was 18 teams, 18, 18teams.
This weekend in Boise is 22teams in the okay, that's,
that's where I was getting.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Are you guys are going?
Yeah, we're going nice in idaho, oh yeah, there's some.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
The northwest has really stepped up this last year
, so there's like cordelaine,rocky mountain, jesuit crater
yeah, yeah, man, yeah, idaho isbetter running than washington
my theory, especially atcordelaine, yeah, my little
conspiracy theory is uh, duringcovid a lot of those california

(20:23):
people moved up north.
I think there's becausecalifornia is known for mecca of
running and they've gone downthe last year or two in their
terms of their depth and quality, yeah, and now teams like idaho
have really stepped up.
It's like, it's crazy.
That's my, that's my theory.
I'm they, I've got no idea.
But valid valid every now andthen.

(20:43):
I'm sure that, like anything,you have just a few good grades
of people that build a traditionand keep pushing each other.
I mean who would think a teamfrom Kenwick Washington would be
known as a good school forrunning.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
People drive through here all the time ago.
How are you guys that good?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Why do you guys?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
run.
It's the water.
It's exactly.
It's the water, exactly,exactly.
It's the coaching we glow inthe dark.
It's the coaching.
It's the nuclear waste we feedour kids.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Speaking of way of coaching man Lewis and Clark,
dude, shocked the state.
Oh yeah, they did fantastic.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Shocked the region man Five in the top 30.
Yeah, and they did fantastic.
Shocked the region man Five inthe top 30.
Yeah, and that's.
They don't really have much ofa front runner, but when there's
like maybe six teams deep interms of deep competition, they
did fantastic.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
The cluster.
And that's something that a lotof the JV boys are
understanding.
The JV boys are, uh,understanding.
You know, the varsity boys gotan understanding but they need
to want it.
But seeing how these boys, whenyou, when you coach them and
they do what they're supposed to, and see the outcome, you end

(22:00):
up like Lewis and Clark, dude,and that team is what I've been
trying to.
You know, um, get the team todo and it's just like oh god man
, you know it's let's go, let'sgo.
So, uh, you know, along with youguys, I I called it.
I was like, you know, your topguy is gonna win it, lc kamaikan

(22:22):
top two.
I knew lc essequa and uhkamaikan were gonna be top three
and stay, you know.
So was it a good day there,though?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
oh yeah, I would say I mean there's obviously you
know I would love for um I wonnumber one guy to have won the
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
But he did, last year he did last year, but they were
smart.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I mean, last year was the rain and the mud, oh, that
was bad.
Everyone was being a littlecautious.
So when you're cautious andit's not crazy fast, that plays
into his.
He's got a crazy finish.
But crazy they had those topfour guys.
Top three guys had a kid fromsunny side lead it for the first
mile and quarter and he took itout hard.

(23:05):
Yeah, they opened up like a 440which if you're gonna beat our
guy, it's gonna yeah you need togo super hard at the beginning
and, you know, take it out ofhim.
So unfortunately not his bestday, but yeah, you know, still
super proud of him.
Just a great career.
He's not done, he's still gottrack.
So yeah, he's got redemptionthere you can, he's a returning
state champ in the the 1600 soagain still plenty, plenty of

(23:28):
left to go, yeah this isincredible to watch him dude
it's just, he's just when wecount him out, dude, he ends up
winning by like half a half atrack man you know,
that's what we thought when atuh early in the season that Fort
still a comb invite he had, hedived at the line and beat the

(23:49):
eventual state champion from.
Tahoma and he was the only guyall season who had beaten them.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
but you know it was by the hair of his chinny chin
chin, yeah, I said that guy,he's got a good chance.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
He's the only one that's beating them.
The other kid went to biginvites and raised everybody
else.
Yeah, didn't get them at theend, but they just ran Smart
race.
So you got to do what you gotto do sometimes, okay.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I bring up that day because I wanted to go.
I wanted to go but I couldn't,couldn't.
So should we talk about whathappened last week or should we
talk about what's been going on?
I think what's been going on,it's been going on the big c
word the big c, the big c thatthe, not the australian c word.

(24:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah not that I youknow I hate that word, man but
every now and then it'll comeout when somebody deserves it,
male, female, whomever that'sgood, I almost said it so I'm
glad I didn't say yeah is itaustralia?
it's, it's australian and it'salso uh uk too man, they say

(24:54):
that it's like they say italmost like f-u-c-k, you know oh
yeah, exactly, yeah, all right.
So cancer, cancer, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
God, it's been a hell of a year though yeah, I mean
that's the fact that it was ahectic year for you was, I think
.
And what kind of drawed thisprocess out you were talking
about, where you had so muchgoing on?
Doctors thought it wassomething else, something else,
and then eventually somebodytook you seriously and got you
tested.
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
yeah, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, uh.
So january, back in january I Inoticed a lump.
I noticed a lump in my armpitand, uh, I was just like
something's not right.
But as I was, as I noticed it,I was at work and um had a hint

(25:44):
of vertigo or something.
It felt.
You know when you're like fullyinebriated, like fully trashed
out out of your mind and tryingto walk.
But to me I can be trashed outof my mind and still maintain
walk, right, yeah.
And so I'm at work and I'm likewhoa, I totally could not, even

(26:06):
I couldn't maintain my bearingman.
I'm like whoa, I'm insomebody's office that I don't
want to be acting like this thehead honcho and I'm like
something's not right.
So I went and they gave me somevertigo medicine.
They were like, oh, theychecked out the bump.
They couldn't find anything,but they noticed the bump.

(26:29):
I was like, dude, this ispainful, it's, it's something's
going on.
So, oh, it's all in your head.
And so I don't have a pcp, theonly pcp that I have primary
care provider is the va, and Isee them maybe once a year.
So I go to urgent care ornothing at all.
And so a couple days later I gosee my dad who was dying in his

(26:52):
deathbed and go visit him.
You know, don't sweep thisunder the rug.
You know my issue and still,you know, maintain, help my dad
do this, help my brother do that, and still dealing with vertigo
.
That went away and then thebump was still there.

(27:15):
I was doing the compressions,did everything that they told me
to Cold, hot shower bath.
Whatever they told me to do, Idid that.
It still didn't go away.
Uh, I was going to urgent careagain.
Then I was like you know what,let's just.
I know, april May I go from myyearly routine checkup for the

(27:37):
VA.
I was like, let's just do thelet's, let's, let's see the
blood workout.
Well, I'll come to find outblood workup.
If you're not looking forcertain things, it's not going
to show up.
It will show up, but there arespecial tests.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, you get it.
I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I know I might seem a little stupid talking about
this, but there are certaintests and so normal blood work,
normal urine, everything else.
And I showed the doctor andhe's like, uh, I showed the
doctor and he's like, yeah, Isee something, is it hurt,
painful?
I'm like, yeah, to an extent.
You know, in certain areas andhow I sleep or you know, rub a

(28:15):
different way.
It's like a shooting, numbingpain like throughout the arm, um
, even when I'm sleeping.
And and so I just tried tosleep with a pillow, you know,
just, you know, cuddle a pillow,just so I can have that extra
room there.
And so he did some more bloodwork.
Um, nothing came up.

(28:38):
But he, he was.
We were trying to find certaindoctors that would say, yes,
well, a lot of doctors said no,I did the ultrasound.
Still, you know, did theultrasound, something came up
there's reactive, as they callit, reactive lymph nodes, and

(29:01):
they were like we need to domore.
So they wanted me to do amammogram, dude, and the guy you
know, and I volunteered.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Huh, I volunteered.
Can you volunteer?
He gave me a call, I came over.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So yeah, there's the stigma, man, there's that stigma
.
You know, guys, mammogram andeverything else, and you know I
don't have breasts, i-ups andwhatever, so I'm not offended by
me being a male doing mammogram, so but it is.
There's a stigma like, oh, dude, breast cancer.

(29:33):
You're like fuck, I can't, Ican't have breast cancer.
You know like damn so with thatthe va.
The va was saying no, they'renot going to do it, they're not
going to pay for the mammogram.
The place that was going to dothe mammogram said we can't work
with you further.
So I was going back and forthfrom April, may to September.

(29:54):
So I'm at limbo and I'm alllike, okay, this is going on,
I'm still running, still doingmy best.
I end up tearing my plantarfascia, dude shitty year, man
shitty year, so so I'm dealingwith the injury.
I'm dealing with the unknown ofmy, my health.

(30:15):
And then september comes, Ilose my father-in-law and as I
lose my father-in-law, I got adoctor to approve the biopsy.
To, basically, the VA said, youknow, I'm going to, since we
said yes, they said yes, thedoctor said yes, we're going to
put all rights to her.

(30:36):
And so she just did everything,did the biopsy and to the
biopsy mid-October.
It supposed to get the resultsthree to five days.
I didn't get it back until two,uh, uh, in two weeks.
I didn't.
I didn't get back after liketwo weeks.

(30:56):
And so November 1st or 2nd Ifound out that the biopsy came,
um, you know.
And I found out that the biopsycame, you know, positive with
Hodgkin's lymphoma.
And yeah, I've just beenplaying the waiting game this
whole time.
And when you don't hearanything for two weeks you're

(31:18):
like something's up.
But then people are like nonews is good news.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm like man not, lately Not lately, not when
you're expecting news.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'm like man, not lately, not lately, not lately.
So now when you're expectingnews, I called their bluff man,
and so I'm like.
I don't know, man.
And so Friday, that Friday thefirst or second, I don't have a
calendar they called me and saidI know you've been waiting,
just want you to know that youcame up with cancer.
I was like shit.
And you know, to that day I'mstill at shock.

(31:48):
It's kind of settled, but I'min the shock of, okay, what
stage?
Okay, what, what's going on?
What's, what's this, what's thenext move?
And you know and she's not anoncologist, she's a general
surgeon, and so she's she'smostly breast cancer um patients
, so she's really knowninologist.
She's a general surgeon, and soshe's she's mostly breast
cancer patients, so she's reallyknown in that.

(32:08):
But she's never had Hodgkin'slymphoma.
So she just put me down therabbit hole, their rabbit hole
of knowing, you know numbers andhow they stage it.
And when she was pointing yourfinger it seemed like, uh, you
know two, three, possibly other.
But she was all okay, well,let's do the biopsy.

(32:31):
And the biopsy I wasn't going tohave until like the 25th of
this month, and so I got itearly.
And so not the biopsy, it wasthe PET scan.
Pet scan I wasn't supposed tohave that until the 25th and so
the PET scan I got it VeteransDay.
I was fasting Veterans Day.

(32:53):
Normally a lot of veterans liketo take advantage of that and
get free food or whatever.
But here I am fasting justtrying to maintain my bearing
and worried about the PET scan.
So I did the PET scan and cometo find out an hour later I mean

(33:14):
, they were on their A game.
An hour after I was done I sawthe write-up and that in itself
is a wild world man.
And that in itself is a wildworld man because when I was
dealing with a lot of stuff inthe military, we didn't know our
charts right away.
We didn't get our charts until,like, maybe the next visit or

(33:35):
whatever.
So hopefully I'm not rambling,but I'm just giving play by play
, oh yeah.
And so like, uh, after an hourafter I got my charts, I saw, I
saw the results and come to findout not only is it in my
armpits and my throat and um,that that took me, uh, by
surprise.

(33:55):
So still at shocked and I'm like, okay, well, there's some other
things that I I question andsome concerning things that I
question, and it's just like,all right, um, hurry up with the
stage, hurry up with you know,uh, what's next?
I go see the oncologist the thereal uh cancer doctor, um on

(34:18):
the 25th and go from there but alot of uncertainty and a lot of
like holy crap, dude, like yougrow up thinking that you're
going to be strong as hell,strong as an ox, and and not
have anything wrong with you,whether it's you know cancer or
you know you know something thatbig.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
you know, never thought of that and so here I am
, man.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I'm just.
I go to work, do my best, thinkabout it sometimes, think about
it all the time, but then I'mthinking about it.
I was like man to be young andnot have this happen.
It I don't know, man.
It's like surreal, somethingthat I would never have thought

(35:02):
of and I was trying to thinkabout it.
It's like a dream that youcan't wake up from.
Yeah, to to be honest with you,man, and hopefully I didn't
ramble too much, but I was justtrying to give a play by play
and uh, you know, just trying toexplain, like my, my thoughts
and feelings, dude, and Iappreciate you, you know, let me

(35:24):
throw you a curveball on this.
On your podcast, you know yourepisode and uh, nah, man, I just
I don't really talk about it.
People at work know a lot ofkids, don't?
They're going to find out, youknow.
But uh, I just what scares methe most, and I tell you what

(35:44):
man dealing with the army stuffand whatnot that I haven't
talked about on the podcast atall.
I thought about it during thistime of my absence.
This is scary as shit, man,this scares me more than
anything in my lifetime, justbecause it's like, oh, my god,
here I am a male, you know, afather of three, you know,

(36:08):
married for 18 with her for 21,almost, you know, and it's just
like I'm supposed to be strong.
But here, here I am in, uh, I,I can't, I can't maintain, you
know, being uh, upright, I can't.
I sleep all the time.
I've never been a sleeper, haveno energy whatsoever, yeah, you

(36:31):
know.
And uh, knowing what's to come,that's the scary part.
And, man, it's just likedepending on my kids or my wife,
um, that's, that's tough toeven think about right now.
But you know it's just holycrap.
It's gonna be a long road, man.
I know it's not gonna be theend of the road.

(36:52):
You know I'm gonna fight theshit out of it, like I told my
wife.
You know, um, but, dude, it'sgoing to be hell to come soon.
Yeah, because Kilo is not.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
It can really take it out of you.
Yeah, do you have a battle?
Is there like a battle plan yet, like have they told, okay, you
know you're going to come in,we're going to prescribe you
this and then, yeah, we havetreatment this day, or?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
No.
And then, yeah, we havetreatment this day or no.
So so before, before the PETscan, which was Monday, they,
they told me the plan of actionwas just chemo radiation, it's
not going to be surgery.
But now that it's in my neck ormy throat and stuff like that,
you know, my, my, my wife's adental hygienist and she was
like, you know, to even havetreatment in your throat, you

(37:39):
have a clean.
You have to have a clean billof health from the dentist for
for them to go on, you know, andthey got to have a dentist
approval, dude shit, I didn'tknow about that either.
And so she, she told me, she'slike that's good that you know
you're I work for, and they,they got you.
But then she was like not notmumbled, but say, stated

(38:01):
something like there was a guythat just recently got approval
through, um, their office andshe's like man, the worst thing
is people having throat cancer.
I'm like thanks.
And then she was telling me,you know, she was telling me, uh
, some things.
And she stopped and I was likeyou're just going to stop like
that, leave you guessing, that'sgoing to be the worst.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
That's the worst is the not knowing.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah.
So what was it?
I was at the banquet last nightand said, hey, how are you
doing?
I was like I'm doing all right,treatment wise, if I don't end
up like Val Kilmer, I'll be good.
And that was a low blow, dude.
That was too soon, too soon,man.

(38:45):
You know, you think about it.
But yeah, man, that's that's,that's, that's the the real
world and that's.
You know, I didn't want to,didn't want to share, but I knew
there was a lot of people, man,a lot of people dm you like,
hey, where's the podcast?
You still doing the podcast,the podcast, you know, and you
know you, you, you know a bit alot of people, don't?
I know Jason Rutherford, shoutout to him, he's been very
helpful.
John Millett, um, you know you,uh, there's, there's only.

(39:13):
And no man, I appreciate youguys shouting out and checking
in, because it's tough, it'slike you're on your own island,
man, Not just with this, butjust with, like, the two deaths,
yeah, and it's just like allright.
Well, here I am, I'm facing,not that, but I'm facing the C
word and I wish I could say theC-U-N-T you know, not that one.

(39:38):
Yeah, but yeah yeah, but I don'tsay that.
But you know that I would saythat cancer is a cunt, so, um,
scary one, but uh, no, Iappreciate you, you know,
wanting to do this podcast.
I know we wanted to do it uh,week ago, last weekend, and just

(39:59):
been just been scared.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
What's really important, like when we were
talking before.
Throughout.
This is the way you advocatedfor yourself, like you were
talking about.
You knew there was somethingwrong and you'd been.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
You know yeah, Shoved one way the other.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So no, it's just in your head, no, it's just this.
And he's like, no, there'ssomething not right here.
And I think people, if that's abig takeaway is, you need to be
a big advocate for yourself ora big advocate for people in
your family.
It's like, hey, if something'snot right, yeah, keep getting it
looked at.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And treatable?
Maybe it's, maybe it wasn't inyour neck, you know, at the
beginning of the year, yeah,they just caught it.
So you know who knows.
Yeah, so the more I go down therabbit hole of like, holy shit,
I'm not an oncologist or stuff,but you can read the, you know
the report and everything elseand you know, you see that a
certain score is supposed to beone to three and not a five, and
then lesions somewhere else.
You know, you're like okay,hurry up, just give me the damn
stage man seriously.

(41:04):
Yeah, that's why I hate thatwhole my chart thing.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
My wife wanted me to have the my chart I don't want
the my chart and that's justlike a website you can go to
where they give you like updates, like if you go to uh, the
nearby hospital, dude afteryou're done going to the ER
right there, dude, you get it.
The minute you're done.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
If you're going for a follow-up or x-ray results,
right there, dude.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
It's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's nuts.
Yeah, I'm not used to that.
So now, I'm not used to it.
I'm dealing with the C word.
I'm getting it the moment I'mdone and I'm like holy shit,
guys hurry up, hurry up, hurryup.
So I'm actually checking andmaking you know, checking my
email too, because I have it onmy update.

(41:51):
I have updates on my work email, so I will pop up in the moment
.
I thought I had a message todayand it was.
It was an old one, but uh, Iwas like.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I thought I was going to know, I didn't see it so it
was a new one.
So it's like come on, please.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, so, and that email like you're looking, it's
going to tell you the stage,yeah, and and uh with with that
score, with the score and uh,the other spot, it doesn't.
It adds up, but not to my favor.

(42:29):
Yeah yeah, because it's weirdhow they do it, man, that's it's
.
It's so weird, it's a chart,and so if it's like centralized,
okay.
If it's centralized in anotherarea, all right, there's another
stage.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
If the centralized another area in another place,
you know like an organ, uh, andthen yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, the
fact that it seems to begrowing is not because you only
felt it in the armpit, and thenit now it's.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
They're finding it in the neck so, yeah, that was a
growing blow, that was a hugeblow.
That was a huge blow because Ithought it was just, you know, I
caught it early, I believe Well, you did, they just didn't take
it seriously.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, yeah, you had to fight for yourself.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, I'm like early, I mean January's early January
would be my consideration ofearly but they're early is like,
oh, it's not that bad, it'sonly three centimeters.
Hey, that three centimetersfreaking hurts man, it puts you
down.
But but like before the petscan, before I even knew I had
neck issue or you know it was inmy neck, I told tracy, uh, I

(43:32):
was like you know it's weird,it's my neck.
My neck has been killing melike it hurts it.
You know, because I have a.
Uh, I have a, you know I do iton the regular.
I like clench my teeth, notclean I thought you just mad at
me.
Yeah, that too my jaw right, soit didn't feel like that, but it

(43:54):
was more like under and to theside, and I'm like some days I
can just feel it.
And lo and behold, monday thatwas friday when I talked to her
man.
I was just having fun doingkaraoke, because now that you
know I've been sick, I just dokaraoke or comedy, and so we're
doing karaoke and I was justlike you know, something's not

(44:15):
right with my neck.
And then that monday bam yeah,the song sucks, man sucks.
But um, yeah, if if didn't wantto, like you know, just
disclose everything and justgive you guys diarrhea of the
mouth.
I wanted everybody to know,like I'd said in the video, that
, dude, if you guys see foreignanything that's not there,

(44:38):
hasn't been there your wholelife and it automatically
appears, get checked out andthat's that's one thing I want
everybody to take out.
Not, you know what I've beenthrough, what I've been dealing
with.
I want them to know, like, dude, if you see something, say
something.
I know the cliche as it soundsat the airport or in a public
place, you know, take that andput it in body perspective, you

(45:04):
know, per se.
So yeah, definitely get checkedout.
I'm glad I did.
Um, it wasn't embarrassing, youknow, even with people talking
about mammogram and having.
You know, I have kids and alittle six-year-old and then I
didn't tell her, but justthinking of her word, you know
booby gram, you know, like forreal, like dad's having a booby

(45:25):
gram.
Why is dad having a booby gram?
You know so, and that's another.
That's another story dude thesix-year-old.
Yeah, man, I didn't tell heruntil after I bought some books.
Yeah, man, I didn't tell heruntil after I bought some books.
So bought some books to helpher understand, like, what's to

(45:46):
come, what dad is.
Uh, you know dealing with andand you know, six years old
they're, they're just in la laland, you know, just enjoying
life, watching youtube shortswhich she shouldn't be doing but
she does and she thinks sheknows everything, but you know
she brings up dad.
Are you gonna die?
And you know it's like dad?
You're not gonna die like poppop, because father-in-law died

(46:08):
of, uh, bone cancer.
Bone cancer, yeah, yeah, yeah,for three years, dude, he was
battling, yeah yeah and yeah Iwas like no, I'm not going to do
that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Are you pop-pop?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
No, I'm not pop-pop, I'm good, but it's like damn it.
So I eased it up, you know,with the books, and still she's
understanding that dad'sbattling a dragon.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, I like that, I like that, yep.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Sometimes you won't see it.
Sometimes that will beirritable, you know, yeah, yeah,
it's part of the book, but no,I think uh.
I think I did a pretty good job.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I like the idea of using the book.
I wouldn't even think aboutthat, I would just sit them down
and talk about it, but the bookis a good way to like.
Even like an illustrated kidsbook is a good way to like.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
An illustrated kid's book is a great way to show.
So I bought three illustratedkid's books and each one is
different.
So smart I never would havethought of that, dude.
I tell you what man Saying theC word to a grown adult is bad,
it's tough.
You're like what kind?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Like what, what kind Are you okay?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You think they're going to know about Hodgkin's
lymphoma?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
No lymphoma.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
No, it's a, it's okay .
I think you're gonna look greatbald, don't worry.
Don't worry serious, what youthink they're gonna know.
Like a lot of people, I had toteach myself what's the
difference between non-hodgkinsand hodgkins lymphoma do you
know the difference?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I don't know the difference.
You want to know the difference.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I'd love to know the difference non-hodgkins below,
below the chest, anything belowthe chest.
Uh, hodgkin's lymphoma which Ihave is above the chest above so
yeah and then, uh, there's,there's, that's the big one.
There's also different cells.
It uh, the cancer is.

(47:53):
It builds different cells andeverything else.
Man, this is the.
The more you look into it,you're like dude, cancer is a
bitch man or a c-u-n-t.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah the other c word , the the other c word it's
something you gotta like, evenif you know the chemotherapy
works, you go through thatbattle yeah it's something you
have to be battling with, therest of your life just getting
checkups.
Is it back?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do Ihave something else now, from
maybe some drug or the treatment.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Tell me about it, man , and I think about that too.
I'm like I tell my wife, I'mlike I just hope this doesn't
come back and she's like nope,you know what?
What's cool is that you got aprimary care provider with all
me advocating for myself.
That nice lady shout out toMcManus at Lord's.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I no longer seeing her because you know I moved up
in the room.
You got promoted, Not thepromotion you wanted.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yes, got promoted, moving up, you, you know, to
regular oncologist.
But I asked her because,basically over my life and, you
know, for believing in me andand spearheading this whole
thing, um, I asked her ifthere's any way possible she can
, um be mine.
I knew she couldn't but I waslike, do you know of a person?
She's like, yes, I'll be gladto refer you to it like sweet.

(49:20):
So not only will I have va, Iwill have an actual um pcp.
So, which is uplifting to know,because, um, if I have, you
know, running issues, I'd go tosee a foot doctor for that you
know, and pay out of pocket oror you know whatever, and go

(49:42):
from there.
But just knowing that I gainedthat person who was, like you
know, spearheading, and then Iget a PCP along with it.
Dude, it's coming out positive,man, it comes out positive.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
So, whew, that felt good, man.
I just you know myself, youknow you're talking about when
you were younger and cancer wasjust this other thing I'm
thinking like for myself.
You know, looking at you,cancer is this thing that
happens to other people aroundme that we talk about.
It's a major issue, yeah, dude,and now I can't even imagine
whether it be like, you know,with kids, with a wife, what

(50:18):
that, what you even thinking,yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's crazy man and I, you know, I haven't even talked
about like a will or advanceddirective.
I mean they, they won't getmuch because college day.
But you know, I haven't thoughtof that and I'm not going to at
the moment.
But just just knowing you knowwhat's to come is dude, scares
the shit out of me man.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, treatment I mean that is chemo is something
that can really.
I mean it's good for youbecause it's going to help
battle cancer, but you hearpeople all the time talking
about just it just hurts evenwhen you're done.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep , yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm still going to try towork as is find out, like you
know how often and whatever.
And if there's, you know thatfirst bout, if I know I'm sick
at a certain day, then you knowI'll take those days off and
then try to go to work afterward.
You know it's still up in theair, I'm still trying to figure

(51:22):
it out, but, um, I was reading.
You know, the guy from fullhouse, the guy that does the
voice dave coulier.
Um, he was, uh, just uh.
It's weird man.
It's on yahoo I saw today.
He was just diagnosed withstage three and reading it all
what I went through.
But it's not hotkins.
Um, so it's below the waist.

(51:43):
He had it in his growing area,bro, if that shit oh my god, if
I had something like that,especially something like uh,
you know, lance armstrong diddude I definitely not sit on
that one for a while I have todo?
you know, definitely have to.
Um, you know, go to gunpointand be like dude.
There's something wrong.
Yeah, but he had that and itsounded like a third one yeah

(52:07):
and uh.
He's been to treatment every, Ithink 21 days every 21 days yeah
yeah, so it's gonna be anotheruphill battle, but you know that
, oh, I have advocating um.
So the advocating part, uh,just the reason why I got in the

(52:32):
field that I am, I'm in today,um, the whole military, you know
, I found out that know, a lotof the people didn't have a
voice, and so I utilize my voiceto help the others, and so it's
nice that you acknowledge thatwhole advocating and speaking up
and knowing not to give up.
You know, I used my skill thatI've uh utilized ever since I

(52:59):
was in the army, and to to helpmyself out and it feels pretty
good, and that's what I wanteverybody to know, not telling
everybody like, hey, I gotcancer, hear me out.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I want you guys to hear me out and not
understanding.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So your goodbyes.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Now something something is wrong, something
doesn't feel right, somethingdoesn't look right.
To get someone to look at it,whether it's your partner, wife,
husband, aunt, uncle, as weirdas it sounds, man, if you see
something that doesn't lookright, go get it checked out

(53:37):
exactly yeah exactly yeah,because I mean, think about it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
How many people doctors see on a regular basis.
They go, hey, this is so weird,and they look at it and say you
gotta zit yeah, you know.
So they see the worst casescenario.
I mean, they see worst casescenario, but they also just see
the guy who's right just overexaggerating it, so they a lot
of times they'll probably lumpyou with that, so you gotta like
let them know this is not punoddly enough, pun not intended

(54:06):
that one was not intended.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Usually they are oh yeah, but I mean, I learned with
like my daughter.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
She had a health crisis, a health scare, when she
was born with some seizures,and that was something like the
when we took her to cadillac.
I didn't, I mean, you go inthere, hey, my baby's got
seizures and then they stare atyou for, like you know, three
hours what are you sure?
Are you sure?
Yeah, are you positive?
Like they didn't have one justa minute ago, did they?
No, yeah, exactly, it's like weneed you to record the seizure

(54:36):
and holder and hit this buttonand then we'll believe you like
ah, I'm looking at my baby.
Yeah, I'm not pushing the button, you stay here with me.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You know it's just like I can't.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
You got to advocate because if you know something is
not right, even if, yeah, yougotta, you gotta report it.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
You gotta, you gotta be diligent and you gotta stay
on your toes and look out foryou and your family, because it
you gotta, you gotta be diligentand you gotta stay on your toes
and look out for you and yourfamily, because it's, yeah, it's
tough man it's tough the, thebaby, safe and sound, oh yeah
she's fine now.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
She just it was an issue for like, uh, the first
month and kept her on likeanti-seizure medication for the
first um year and a half of herlife and now she's seizure-free.
Thankfully it's a rare geneticdisorder KCNQ2.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So she's going to end up dealing with this all her
life.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
It should be.
From what I've read, it shouldbe good for now.
It may come up again when shehits puberty.
It may come back because it'slike a developmental thing in
the brain.
Okay, there's something notfiring right with um like a
potassium in the brain crazyright yeah this.
So it should be fun to tellabout puberty and then it may

(55:50):
come back and later and likestay and then something she's
always got to deal with, orit'll go away on its own.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, yeah, who would have thought you know somebody?
You know, just not crackingjokes.
But potassium banana, eat morebananas, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
That's what we've been doing.
We always have bananas in myhouse.
We always have bananas.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
See, and now here I am, thinking like Maybe you
should try a banana Right.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Rub some banana on that armpit, rub it down, right,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
And then come to find out you know they do that blood
test, the CBC, not the collegehere in town, the CBC Co-ops.
I'm not even on the radar, soit's like it doesn't even
acknowledge, like my white bloodcell count and whatnot.
So it's wild, but when you lookat it, what it means CBC flag

(56:42):
right, and it's Not traceable orwhatever.
If you see, if you Google itwhich I've actually stayed away
from Google, believe it or not,yeah, I imagine.
All the symptoms of you know,fatigue and everything else oh
okay, makes sense, because I'venever been able to sleep.

(57:06):
I've been sleeping like shit mywhole life.
But dude, lately, man, afterI'm done here, just go on one
side of the bed or one side ofmy body and crash out.
It's crazy.
Body fighting something that'sgotta be what it is.
Yeah, but here, I am, man,thinking that, dude, I feel like
a little, you know, a littlebitch Cause, man, I'm always a

(57:29):
go getter bitch, because, man,I'm always a go-getter, I'm
always on the run, I want to run, but I do run, but, dude, I
could only do so much.
Um, but yeah, that that's.
That was another thing thatreally got to me, but I've
accepted, like I can only do somuch.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Do you feel like not being able to run?
You mentioned the plantarfasciitis issue.
Is that, like with the wholecoping and feeling so
unrealistic?
Do you feel like not being ableto go out there is affecting
the process?
Because I mean, for me runningis a huge stress reliever that I
gotta get done oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So.
So I I got the clear and that'swhen I was going out.
I I had, I've had the clear,even when, um, coaching, um, but
people started noticing like,like you're not, so you're not
running back and forward likeyeah, I got sprinted at the last
one.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
What's that?
I had sprinted at the last one,something not right.
Prescott, yeah, even prescottgot you yeah prescott of all
people he's like nick, you'renot.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You're not running like you used to.
Come on, get with him like dudeplantar fascia, but knowing you
know I forgot the clear it'ssomething else.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
So yeah, yeah, yeah but yeah, man, yeah, are you
going to be able to train aroundit all through that whole chemo
?
I mean, probably.
I imagine not, depending on howthe.
When there's a window, I'll doit.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, when there's a window, um I'm not going to be,
uh, you know, on the bed or onthe couch 24-7.
I will be doing my best to stayactive, because the more you're
active, the better chances offighting it.
You know, I read and beenlearning about myself just on

(59:07):
how other people got through it,and I'll probably do a lot of
weights, more so because I don'twant to like be running
somewhere and not be able to getout yeah, I'm going at badger
and something happens at the topor something.
You go to rattlesnake yeah, evenyou know from from here to

(59:28):
claybill, like I really like umjust between here and clay clay
bell.
It's a little wishy-washy and Idon't want anybody to search
for me.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So, um, you know, people's momprobably be there, but on that
path.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
That's a great path that used to be so much nicer.
How long have you lived herenow?
Uh, since 15, 15, okay.
So you saw how it used to beback in its glory days before
they put that suburb in thereyep at least one twice a week.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, I loved it I did so, yeah, but now I have to
do the other trails that theyjust take dirt bikes on, you
know, and that's gonna go,that's gonna get ripped out too
oh, really oh yeah, they,they're going to build a road
right through it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Oh my gosh, that makes me so sad so that people
won't go down the roundaboutthere.
That's so sad.
They used to be so nice yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
The area used to be nice, but now look at the sky,
man, the ridgelines around here,dude, oh my gosh, it's taken by
nasty houses billion houses,million houses.
It's awful yeah, speaking ofridgeline, guess what I'm gonna
do on sunday with john milletdylan rattlesnake don't say it

(01:00:43):
out loud we're live yeah, wakingup early, man.
Nice, you guys go to thecomplete top Going to the
complete top.
Nice have you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I've never gone to the top, yet I've gotten close.
Did you check the road?
Well, when I got close, it wasduring the Runners of the Sage
run, the La Lique.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they have that 25K or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
They have that turnaround.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
It's pretty close to the top.
Oh, is that not close to thetop to me?
It fell close to the topbecause that's a lot of climbing
for me bro you'll say adifferent sound.
You'll sing a different songwhen you get on there, because,
because that turnaround, I knowthat turnaround, because I did,
I did lalique the first coupleyears it started and, uh, that
road, if you take that road, theroad's the the clearest way to
go but, it's steep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It is real steep.
Are you talking the 11 K or the25 K?
Cause he has that 25 K one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, it goes a little bit further you can't,
you can't go, you go by theboundary.
Yeah, you can't go anywhere theboundary is you're not even
close bro, no one's close, man,no one's close.
And when you're on that road,that road was what made in 1930s
, 1940s, and it's still good.
But, dude, I don't know howthey had that grade system back

(01:02:01):
then.
That grade system is crazy.
But no man, it's curvy, windy,curvy up, and you just keep
going up and up and you don'tsee that road from a distance up
and you're just keep going upand up and you don't see that
road from the distance but youfeel and see that road for at
least two more miles up there,dude, and the rest of the week
on your legs.
It's crazy, it's a, it's adifferent world man.

(01:02:24):
I would say, out of all the,all the, the hills here, the
mountains, whatever rattlesnake,is the worst, one man just
because of it's intense, notonly are you worried about
somebody coming up?
you know the feds or something,but that, that, that there's
nothing like that.
Um, just the continuation ofcurves and uphill.

(01:02:48):
And you're like, dude, I'mstill going uphill.
Oh my gosh, yeah, there's.
Yeah, it's a different, it's adifferent one.
Um, mcbee has nothing on it'sthe goat, um, the goat hill near
, uh, rattlesnake, nothing on it, not jump, jump off.
Joe, nothing like a rattlesnakeis his own little world and

(01:03:11):
when you go up there past theboundary, you'll see it takes
people by surprise and if you goin there a hot day, you're
blunt for punishment.
And if you go in there on awindy day you're blunt for
punishment.
Because, that's one of thefastest, that's one of the
windiest places in the States,minus minus.

(01:03:32):
Uh, the vermont, new hampshire.
What is it white mountain?
Is it white mountain?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I'm not sure yeah, that's the second windiest uh
place in the states well, thetallest treeless mountain in all
of united states is rattlesnake, so it's it's not treeless.
It's not treeless.
If you google tallest treeless,if you Google tallest tree of
this mountain, rattlesnake comesup.
But you're trying to avoidGoogle, so don't look.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
You see the tree when you're up there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Is there really a tree?
There's a tree.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I've got to go cut it down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
It's proven Google wrong.
Yeah, you've got to get upthere with an axe the beaver.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
So it's not on the ranch side, uh-huh, you know
when you're going to vantage andyou know you're passing by horn
rapids and everything else, andyou see it, you know.
You see rattlesnake.
It's in a little like a cluster, maybe five little trees in a
crevice but not on the top,though, maybe that's what it is,
but you can see it when you'reon the top.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
See, that's it.
No one goes to the top.
That's why Google puts it onthe top.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It's crazy, and it's nuts too, because, uh, on the
ranch side, uh, it's a gradualhill.
Like dude cows can be rightthere, but then you're on the
other side, the Hanford side,bro cliff.
It's a straight cliff.

(01:04:56):
It's out of this world, man itdoesn't look like it from a
distance.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, that's a perfect peace
spot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Yes, yes, claim the mountain.
But yeah, it's pretty cool, man, what they thought, what they
thought.
They can bring that mountainback in the 40s, you know, yeah,
there's a lot of history there.
There there's plaques andwhatnot.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, they keep saying that they're going to
make it like public land so youcan just go willy-nilly worrying
about the feds, but there'sthat military base underneath it
that I don't think they wantpeople finding inside the
mountain.
That's what they say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
That's what they say.
Damn conspiracies these days,conspiracy theories, theories.
But hey, how's a conspiracytheory when it's been true?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
exactly.
The difference between thetruth and a conspiracy theory is
about six months these daysanyways, yeah yeah, or or it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Uh, you know, they say something, but they're the
ones actually doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Well, we won't go down there, we won't go.
I'm curious with the cancer,are you gonna change your diet
at all?
I've heard like fads where youknow people cut some things out
or they do a couple things Likethey go just carnivore and that
helps fight it because it likestarves the cancer or something
like that.
Have you looked into that atall?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
You know, I've heard of it but I never looked too
deeply into it because I haven'tstared down that barrel.
I've looked at, uh, some thingsyou know eat more greens or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
But then um I go, I'm gonna go as is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
You know, I'm definitely gonna take a beer out
for a bit maybe some uh,everclear, it will help you know
wash that shit off, yeah no,I'll, definitely.
I've been taking that, I'vebeen taking that in
consideration.
Definitely, that will be out,which would, which is good,
maybe it'll help.
Um, you know, just mindset andwhatnot, um whatnot um food.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I mean food's so expensive.
Now, yeah right, you can't goon a carnivore diet.
You're gonna go bankrupt eatinggreens.
You're gonna be eating yourwallet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll probably give it a year
things will go down, yeah yeah,for sure, but you know I might
take up other proteins.
You know it's a buddy of mineor a co-worker of mine.
Um, was talking about a turkeytail.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Turkey tail yeah, turkey tail, that's how the kids
are calling it these days.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah right, it's like a mushroom but it's like the
most uh um scientific you know,looked at uh mushroom that helps
, you know, cancer patients,inflammation and stuff like that
.
So I might look into that.
I was like is that safe to lookat at work?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
He's like yeah, yeah, so all it is is like a
supplement Can you grow it or doyou have to find you don't have
to go foraging for it or youcan get it at the store?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah, you can get it off Amazon and whatnot.
It's not like you can havemushroom bites, for you can get
at the store.
Yeah, you can.
You can get it off amazon andwhatnot.
It's not like you can havemushroom bites.
You can have it in capsules andman with the whole throat thing
.
I don't know if I'm gonna beable to put down some capsules.
You know it just so maybe tryto nibble on it.
I'm not sure there's thatcannabis.

(01:08:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I never heard of cannabis helping with cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, Well, it gets you.
I mean, it's probably not safer.
Well, I mean edibles, butprobably a little safer than
drinking alcohol.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
During those times, I'm looking for a buzz.
Yeah, we need to feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
It's a joke, guys.
It's a joke, guys.
It's a joke, yeah.
But nah, I looked in.
I looked at that supplement.
That looked really promisingand probably pick up a couple of
those and see how it goes um.
But food wise, dude, you knowwith the economy and everything,
I just go as is man, you know.
And uh, with the economy andeverything, I just go as is man,

(01:08:55):
you know, and we'll see what Ican take down, what I can't Hope
for the best, and maybe yogurtis going to be my number one
friend.
You can get down Smoothies, butprobably more greens and you
know chicken and stuff like that.
But yeah, I mean I can't affordelk.

(01:09:18):
I don't think anybody can.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
You can go get it yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, that's the most nutrients.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, you'll be a rattlesnake.
There might be something outthere.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Yeah, but not that right there.
I've looked into it, not muchthe supplements part is more of
my alley, but because I know I'mgonna have trouble after
talking to my wife, I know I'mgonna have trouble just debating
on eating or not, because a lotof sickness, man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
A lot of sickness, yeah, I don't want to throw up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
So yeah, so supplements are more like it
Going to the gym.
But with this man, like,seriously, I'll let you know
this when just growing up, Inever liked germs.
I don't like hands around myface, I don't, you know, I don't
like hands around my face.

(01:10:14):
I don't, you know, I don't like.
Very cautious about that, Dude.
I'm going to tell you this man,oh yeah.
Working at a high school,working at a school, working
with kids, working with my ownkids, dude, full steam ahead.
I'm a germaphobe to the max.
I dab somebody up, up, I havehand sanitizer right then, and

(01:10:35):
there you know.
And I don't wear hats anymore.
I've been wearing, uh, beaniesnow, just so the air won't seep
into my ears when I get up inthe morning because I don't know
, I don't want to get sick man,make things worse.
So, dude, germs have beenstopping, germs stopping that.

(01:10:56):
I know it sounds unhealthy, but, dude, it's my way of saying.
Dude, I'm healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, Start working from home.
Homeschool the kids Nobodyleaves.
I wondered why you had a bar atthe door.
Yeah right, making sure no onecomes in, no one goes out.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah, that, yeah, right, making sure no one comes
in, no one goes out.
Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, thatthat's, that's a must, and I try
not to make it too obvious atschool.
But after I dab somebody up,man, I do um, wash my hands or
hand sanitize and don't touch myface, and I always have a
tissue with me.
But then, like, if I have totouch my face, I have a tissue
for that dude.
It sounds weird no, but it'swhat you gotta do, but the last

(01:11:36):
thing I want is like pink eye orsomething other mess to make
things worse.
You know, last thing I want ispneumonia, exactly well the
weird.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
The chemotherapy is gonna destroy your immune system
.
So if you're developing thosehabits now, you don't have to
think too much about it's justan instinct when I know when
that starts happening yeah, itmakes me sound like howard
hughes is just bringing it up,you know it's serious man it's
been forefront dude.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
It's been like my mission, like it's.
It sounds nuts but dude, Ithink in the long run it's going
to help me out and has beenbecause I've always, you know,
don't like touching doors, butevery time I do it's like, all
right, yeah, sounds weird.
You're like it's time to go,nick, yep, time to go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I wonder why you never shake my hand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Right Nah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I give hugs, give hugs man, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Man, let's meet again .
But I want to meet again wheneverything is said and done, or
in the middle of it, whateveryou choose do a little recap,
see how things are going.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, butdefinitely for sure when

(01:12:58):
everything's up and up.
I want to talk about upcomingwhatever's coming up races.
Whatnot Sound good?

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, it sounds good.
Good, so I guess for youthere's no upcoming races at all
.
For enough, the next bit no,I'm doing rattlesnake, and
that's it I had dude shout outto aravipa man running.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Who's that?
Aravipa the, the big, uh bigcompany down in arizona they do
all those races near flagstaffand phoenix.
And what I was doing I wasgoing to do across the years and
, uh, this, this went, uh 28th Iwas going to do the two day,

(01:13:42):
the 48 hour one.
They have like hours a day, twodays, three days a week, and I
signed up for the two hours so Ican just work my way up to a
week and on a fixed course.
And uh, I was like guys, don'twant to be that person.
But, um, just got diagnosed,dude, they were so warming and

(01:14:05):
loving dude yeah they, they said, because normally it's not,
they don't refund.
So what they did was um, youknow, put me off the list and
basically say you got until 2026to to use that those funds.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Um, so all right so you can do it.
26 no, probably 2025 2025 I'mhoping this shit's over with
yeah, I hope it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah, because it's all weird.
It's all about the staging dude.
It's so weird.
Man, the doctor, the oncologist, dude, the oncologist, did you
know?
They're like the highest payingdoctors besides brain surgeons
and shit.
Really yeah, they're the topdogs, man, what they do?

(01:14:55):
They see those numbers, theysee the digits and they're like
you know what, okay, chemo this,you know doing this, doing that
, six sessions every of theirweek, every, you know, every
dude, it's crazy.
And then they're good, well,they, they got it down.
Dude, they're like rain man.
The more I learn about thisdude, it's crazy yeah,
tri-cities has to have some.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
With all the nuclear radiation we have, we've got to
have some oncologists that aretop of the game as soon as what
they see they see a guy comingout with a cancerous third arm
from right.
Been a hand for the last 40years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, no, this, this, I got the top dog in tri-cities
.
I'm thankful a lot of peoplehave that top dog man.
She's had a lot of reviews.
She has like 2 000 somethingreviews of 4.8 rating dude.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, that's how cancer isnow dude you go on ratings.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
You're on yelp dude, oh yeah she's one destroying the
ridgeline we're talking aboutearlier.
She's got that house on the topof the hill yeah, yeah, but no,
it's, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
It's incredible, man, what science has brought you,
know, and uh, just learning, andthen learning more as I go, and
it's just like it's incredibleman.
It's.
Yeah, I don't know.
Different world, differentworld.
So, speaking of different world, when are you gonna bite the

(01:16:21):
bullet and get your heels fixed,man?
When I'm old and decrepit?
Yeah, because gustavo and Iwere talking about you yesterday
.
We were telling how incredibleof a runner you are, believe it
or not, and then I was like yeah, you know this guy, he's young,
he's really fast, but he healslike a 70-year-old, you know,

(01:16:47):
and he takes a minute to warm up.
But, dude, when he's on therehe is fast.
And, gustavo, we're telling theother coaches how you are and
everything else.
And yeah, he said that, yeah,we're doing a half marathon
together, and you just blew himout of the water or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
He could blow me out of the water right now he's
killing me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, yeah.
So my question is when are yougoing to bite the bullet and
finally get fixed?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
is is when are you gonna bite the bullet and
finally get fixed?
okay, you know, I have thissilly thing where once a month,
every month, I'll run threemiles under 18 minutes yeah,
yeah, that's yeah yeah, mylittle sub-18 project, as I call
it, I got last month was number100, and one of the reasons I
haven't done it is because Ireally don't want to end the
streak, because if I got thatsurgery that's like six months
off or whatever and uh, I don'tlike surgery and as long as I do

(01:17:34):
my pt stuff it's fine itdoesn't hurt too bad you know.
But yeah, I gotta warm up likeif I when I get up here.
It might be a little stiffbecause I ran this morning and
because I didn't do my exercises.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I usually do them before uh, before bed, but uh
because, dude, obviously you're,you're a great runner, you know
, know, you're not below average, you're above average and you
kill the, you know the localscene and whatnot.
But watching you even cheer onthe kids, it hurts me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
These kids keep me young.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
That's what helps me, but man you make me cringe
sometimes when you start warmingup.
I'm like dude, how's?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I'm like how is it that noticeable?
Yeah, dude, yeah, I don't, Idon't feel it.
You don't feel it.
You should look it.
I should record myself.
You should record me being Ishould I'm?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
you know, maybe I should, because that's how we
get some of these kids tounderstand like hey, dude,
you're overextending, don'toverextend.
Like no, oh snap, I am, yeah,no, what coach is just here, man
?
You guys coach me they can'tbelieve it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Not, I know something right.
So that's a hard partconvincing kids dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, so teenagers but no, it is noticeable.
I'm not.
I'm not knocking you, man,because you are a great runner,
but, dude, to continue onrunning, coaching and everything
you're going to have to end uptaking care of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Eventually, yeah, probably when I'm older, when it
really becomes unbearable.
So, now that I'm only 31,.
So I can kind of bear it.
But there are times now,especially with kids, they want
to get up and do something.
I get up in the dinner tableand I start waddling around.
I'm like okay, I probably shouldreally get this looked at,
cause this probably isn't normal.
I watched my wife get up andshe doesn't hobble like this.

(01:19:18):
Something's got to get.
I think if I stopped running itwouldn't be an issue, but the
fact that I'm still trying torun fast it probably.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
The thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
The thing is is in order to get that fixed, they
have to snap both of them rightI think right now, you know,
because it's just like calciumbuildup along the, where the
achilles connects like the heelyeah, it's like you know,
cringing as we're, just so theytalk about cancer and shit.
Cut it open, take that out andprop.
That's probably.
I think they just need to takeit out and then stitch it up,

(01:19:50):
because but to get to it theywould have to oh, they had to
cut me open.
I've seen some photos of stuff.
And that's why you're like nope, it's like not for me.
I will just do PT that mybrother gets me my incredible
brother who just graduated fromEastern Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Yeah, shout out, shout out, Kevin Paulson Shout
out the therapeutic associatesoff of Costco.
Oh, not until late, maybe rightbefore bedtime.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
All right.
Yeah, shout that guy out, Justgraduated, just graduated, from
Eastern with a doctorate inphysical therapy.
Yeah, dr Paulson, dr Paulson,which is great.
Now people confuse me for adoctor all the time because he's
my identical twin brother.
I'd rather be the coach over docany day, though well, he was,

(01:20:42):
uh coaching before he went andfinished up.
Um, he was an assistant alongwith the rest of us from like
2016 to 2020, when he left tofinish up college.
So he was there for the big,the glory years ultimate goal
coaching taking over kamayaka Imean taking over and not

(01:21:03):
screwing it up.
No, you guys, that's a big thing.
That's my.
My issue is a lot of you know.
I'm working in the familybusiness and my dad's done a
great job building his thing.
So if I take that over, yeah,I'm taking over from somebody
else, and then if, ifsimultaneously, I take over the
head coaching job, I'm takingover somebody else who built
something like oh man,eventually I need to build

(01:21:24):
something on my own.
I tried to do that last year andI things came kind of crumbling
down on me, so it's like it's alot, a lot of pressure but yeah
, you know, live and learn right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
You live and you learn life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
That's what life is all about is is you're going to
have some screw ups and they'renot really screw ups If you can
learn something from them.
Right, right, correct.
But you know, I think thathelps.
I'm a I body, so if I, if Itake over something that's
already going, the calcium,exactly that calcium is all me.
Well, actually, no, believe it.

(01:21:56):
My twin brother does have ittoo.
What, yeah, damn, I don't thinkit's.
I think he only has on one foot, not both.
I have it on both, okay, butyeah, now he doesn't want to do
surgery either.
Oh, yeah, well, that's awesomehe's a pt so he can get it like
looked at whenever he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Okay, right, shout, shout out Dr Paulson, dr Kevin
Paulson.
Therapy Associates by CostcoTherapy.
Okay, okay, nice, now I knowwhere to go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Oh yeah, when it comes to running stuff, he
really knows what he's talkingabout.
Yeah, he's, I mean, obviously,because he was a runner and he
was an assistant coach andthat's something he dealt with a
lot.
But yeah, All right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Closing up Greatest takeaway this season, man, this
past season.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Takeaway is you know, take care of yourself.
If you feel like there'ssomething nagging at you, listen
to the niggles and um, don't beafraid to take things easy and
cross train for a week or two sothat your issues don't become

(01:23:01):
worse.
So you're, maybe you miss aweek or two of hard running, but
you get to run for the seasonso tough, especially, it says,
the guy who's running with theAchilles issue.
But you know, I cross trainedfor like three months before,
when I was really working on it,to get it strong again.
But you know, take care ofyourself.
And the big thing is, you know,we've got some great, great

(01:23:26):
young kids and some greatseniors who taught them the
ropes.
Yeah, and with COVID, we lost alot of momentum going into the
2021 and 2022 years that theselast you know, 2023 and 2024,
we've really, really established, and that's just because the
seniors we have right now reallytook the younger kids under

(01:23:48):
their wings and so just keep theball rolling and yeah, rock on
rock on.
What about you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
mine overall, dude, hands down, watching those kids
grow, understand the game,believe in themselves, take in
what we all say to them and justhave that that moment, moment
of clarity, like I got what ittakes and then they them
believing it and continue to doit and then build off of it.

(01:24:18):
Seeing that is, I think, handsdown, the best moment for a call
, uh, for a coach, you know, orjust just being able to tell
their parents how far they'vegone and what, what you know,
what they bring to you and youknow, just as a coach, and have

(01:24:39):
them understand how much they'vechanged and how, what they look
at at home and the product thatthey you know, that they they
are seeing firsthand in theraces, is just the most
uplifting part of the job andwhat I continue to do and strive
for.
So, whether it's continuing onthere or anywhere, I'm going to
continue to coach something,doing that running, yeah, but

(01:25:04):
overall it's the kids believingin themselves and going from
there, because you can't doanything if they don't believe
in themselves Exactly.
And when they have that moment,dude, they just like PR one
second, dude, and they're happyabout it, you know, and I'm
busting happy too, dude I'm likejust wow, that's great, you

(01:25:25):
know, but you know our youngself like one second one second.
You know, like in high school,like dude, I wish I can do it,
but for them to understand thatone second really, really
matters and it's pretty cool,you're doing your job Exactly
that's the one takeaway.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I mean that's the best part about it, is it?
Cross country is not a sportpeople do because they want the
glamor or, you know, maybe astate standoff, but that's about
it, maybe if you're in thatyour school, yeah Me I was going
to say maybe there's a statestandoff if you go to state, but
there's no, and it's not likeit's a fun sport either.

(01:26:02):
You're not.
It's not like tennis or soccer,you can just pick it, the sport
that other sports use for theirpunishment.
So the kids who come out and doit and excel, and really the
kids who really enjoy it, arethe ones, like you mentioned,
where they're motivated and theysee that progression that even
one second PR, and they're like,oh, yeah.

(01:26:24):
Or they get that one second PRand they're like, oh, if I had
just gone out a little slower,if I was a little bit more
aggressive at the start.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
It could have been a 10 second pr or, if I listen to
you coach a little bit more,yeah, five seconds, hey, exactly
.
Hey.
You did what you did.
Let's celebrate, exactlycelebrate.
That's what makes it worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
That's what keeps that's what keeps bringing me
out so great guys like you out.
So I'm glad.
What I really love about ourour league is just there's so
many just great coaches, guys Ijust love to hang out with and
oh yeah, you know, like we'retalking about prescott and troy.
Um, I don't coach pete from, uh, from hanford.
You know, I'm not gonna listall the coaches out there yeah,

(01:27:03):
but you know they're all great.
I I see them around town.
I you know talk.
I want to talk to him.
I don't go.
Oh gosh, there's the richlandcoach.
I'm gonna go to aisle five andpick up something else in 19th
aisle at the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Yeah, let's avoid him .
Prescott tries to avoid mesometimes.
I don't blame him Right, allright, kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Until next time, dude , until next time.
All right, man, hasta luego,all right.
Thank you, Kyle, ciao, thankyou.

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