Each Ride is a Dance Between Rider and Horse. The Mike Reed Story

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Mike Reed.
How are you man?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Doing all right, doing all right.
Dude, it's an honor that you'rehere.
Can't believe you made the trip, you TVCC boys, right, tvcc
boys, yeah.
You guys, make it a trip.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, it's a little bit of a drive.
It's not bad, though.
I would say it's definitelyworth it, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
It means a lot to me being able to just up and come
and just do your thing, Travel,just to do a podcast which you
know for a while.
There.
I just think it's like apodcast, but you guys make it
bigger and better.
And, man, you guys make mebelieve that I'm big time, which
I don't think I am.

(01:25):
I don't believe I am, but youguys make me feel that way.
So I appreciate it, man.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, of course, I think the cool thing is is you
take time to talk to us guysthat are up and coming, have
such high goals for ourselvesand I think a little bit of this
helps kind of put that intoperspective of being able to
talk about it and havingsomebody notice and realize what
you're trying to do and theysee you like I would definitely

(01:49):
say a lot of us like we're allin that self-fight against
ourselves and what we thinkwe're capable of doing and then
being able to hear and havepeople listen and talk about it
and listen to kind of ourjourney and how it became, is
huge yeah, and you guys are aclose-knit group, man yeah, no,
it's.
Um, I've definitely.
Since I've moved there, I'vegotten close with a lot of the

(02:10):
guys.
Uh, you got like wiley, you gotbrock, cooper case and pearson.
He's another buddy of mine thatI'm living with and travel with
all summer.
He was in kennewick with thisyear.
So it's we're all pretty tight,like it's a.
I think this following seasonright now is probably going to
be shaping up to be one of thebest ones I've had in a long
time.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, mm-hmm In the rodeo.
Yep College rodeo.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, speaking of college rodeo man, what makes
Treasure Valley so competitive,so big compared to other schools
, like it can compete with texasboys and other top notch I
would definitely say probablyone of the most versatile things

(02:56):
about cowboys from thenorthwest is we are adaptable to
any weather.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
We can show up and ride bronx in the snow, we can
show up and ride bronx in therain and we can, like, come out
and do it once it's 100 degrees,just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's like, but I would definitely say like, the
sheer drive of what we have tosucceed and kind of the survival
of how, like we came to be outwhere we're from.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, okay.
So is it the coaching?
Is it the water?
I mean, it's probably all theabove, but like dude, you guys
are ranked in the nation, aren'tyou?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
yeah, we're getting up there right now.
So far we're sitting, we'resitting number one in the
northwest and I don't know wherethat sets us right now out in
the nationwide, but it's shapingup to be really, really good.
I mean, you could say it's thewater, probably all the beer uh,
right, but you guys are collegestudents, so oh, yeah, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, I got to embrace thecollege side of it every now and

(03:52):
then Right.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.
But I mean, yeah, you guys arenumber one in the region.
You guys are like some athletes, you know, like we said earlier
Wiley's out there, you saidBrock Cooper I we said earlier
wiley's out there, he said brockcooper.
I mean all you boys compete,but like, why treasure valley
man and how is that such a hugerodeo program?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
ontario, oregon dude it's, it's pretty crazy, like so
when I say like it was likelike a shot in the dark, like I
didn't know I was going toschool until like a week before
it started, this year, this year.
I was supposed to go playcollege baseball up in Billings,
decided not to do that afterhigh school, took those four

(04:36):
years off and I'm 24 now.
Yeah, took those years off tokind of work and make money.
And then it was like a lastminute deal and I was like, well
, like you got a scholarship, gouse it and kind of take
advantage of it.
Like it was one of those dealsthat they were willing to help
and they're willing to get goodhorses.
We got a lot of bill clarkstuff, we got a lot of bill

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clark's bulls and we just got abrand new arena pretty much
built with where, like you, canbuck it any time of the year and
it's pretty much going to befine.
As long as it doesn't freeze,you'll be all right.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who wants to fall on food anddirt man?
I can only imagine it hurtssometimes.
So you're 24.
You're not the young buck goingto college, so you're the old
wise man right, that's what I'vebeen referred to.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Are you, yeah, the old wise man?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So is it the group, your traveling buddies, that
probably persuaded you to gointo the college realm, Because
you hang out with Greenup right.
Greenup is the BMC right BlueMountain.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yep, so I would probably say a lot of it was so.
It had to do a lot with thepeople that I've talked to about
it.
They're saying like, oh, it'sprobably going to be one of the
best experiences you could have.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
And then the other one was about this season, like
I'd kind of been heard a fewtimes and I felt like I hit a
wall and I needed another edgeand I needed another thing to
change after Because, like OK,going to the amateur finals was
fun and making amateur stuff.
Yeah, after you because like,okay, going to the amateur
finals was fun and makingamateur stuff, yeah, but then
like I needed another gear and Iwas missing it and so it was
pretty much just another kind ofanother gear to hit that's
going to help propel me intokind of the next level where I'm

(06:13):
trying to be, yeah andeverything.
And that was a big thing intexas that we talked about with
champion living yeah, but you'reeverywhere, man, like you know
the johnny cash song, you'reeverywhere.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
But the thing is is when, looking at you, seeing you
, you know you've accomplished alot.
You know you're the wise oldman.
Yes, you're college, you knowbound, you're in the rodeo,
you're, you've been in the rodeo.
What does college rodeo bringto you when you've already been
in the rodeo scene for so long?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It definitely brings the exposure it brings you.
I would definitely say you geton a lot of the horses that you
get on up here in the ColumbiaRiver Circuit, relatively Like.
You get on a lot of Aces Wild.
You get on a lot of KellyBowcutt stuff.
Get on a lot of Flying Fiveyounger horses that Kelly's
packing around.
You get on quite a bit of thestock that is up and coming that

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you'll get to see out in thecircuit that later year.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And you have your PRCA card right, Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I just actually got my permit.
Last year, kind of dipped mytoes into it this year.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Full steam, though Full steam dude.
You can't say you didn't dudethis year I was all about it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I hit as many as I could and then I had that horse
fall over on me in St Paul onthe 4th and that kind of slowed
me up a little bit about a month, yeah.
And then I got a couple tearson my knee in that one and still
went to some amateur stuff andmade some gas money.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah.
But you know, and so a lot ofthem are not, are shy, but
they're like not yet, not yetyou, you're all in dude yeah, it
was um, I would definitely sayprobably the biggest thing was

(08:00):
just like and so I've been,that'd be my thought process.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's just like, oh, I've.
I've had a lot of older boystell me like, oh, don't enter
yet until you can hold them fortwo.
And then sperm for 85.
And I was like, all right,there's that.
And then I started talking to alot of younger guys that are
like like I talked to brodykress a little bit, I talked to
quentin mccorder, reed, neely,they're like you just gotta go.
Yeah, you just need theexposure.
Like who cares if you get twojumps?

(08:25):
Like, yeah, like you want to gothere and do your best.
But a lot of people don'trealize is your body will
naturally rise to the occasionyou put yourself around high
performance athletes yeah yourbody will find that extra gear
you need okay, why saddle bronc?
um, well, I tried bull riding.
Um, that was actually how Ikind of got into the sport at a

(08:45):
pretty young age with a kid thatI grew up back home with, and
it was cheap and it was easy.
It wasn't well, it wasn't easy,but it was cheap and it was easy
to get into yeah then Irealized that I'm a lengthy kid
and it is a lot harder to keepmy balance going in a circle
than it is back and forth.
And then it was just one ofthose deals where I seen I think

(09:06):
it was charlie barker go.
He ended up setting the arenarecord at st helens.
It was either him or danieleris, I think it was 88 at our
hometown arena and I wasstanding on the fence.
I was like that's what I want todo and so that, and that was
kind of like where everythingkind of that was where I got the
first kind of glimpse of like,where it looked like, what it
looked like and how pretty itwas.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Saddle broncan.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I was just like , and little did I know the
adventure that I was about toget on.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And then I went to a school actually up here in
Yakima, up on the res up there,with Wyatt Oler and a couple
other kids from there and I wasgetting on my first horse.
Skeeter thurston was there and,um, I'd probably gotten on six
or seven horses that day and gotdashboarded every single time.
And skeeter comes up to me andsays he's like I don't know if
brown crotch for you and thatwas kind of it, that was kind of
.
It was like you know what, youknow what?

(10:02):
Screw this man, like I'm goingto do this and you're going to
like it.
So how long were you bullriding?
I probably started it likeseventh grade, eighth grade
somewhere in there, and thenkind of did it through high
school like a little bit, likewent to like some amateur rodeos
and some open jackpot deals.

(10:23):
Like I met a lot of the guysthat I know now just when I was
a bull rider, and every now andthen you'll see a guy that knows
me and they'll be like oh, youstill riding bulls, or someone's
like hey, why don't you crackout and get on one?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I was like nah, so you've been in the game for a
bit.
Man, when I say game, thelifestyle.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yep, kind of figuring .
I would like to say like I'vebeen in it but at the same time
I feel like I've only just beenon like scratching the ice, like
I have there's it's so big.
And I would definitely say likethe last two years, when I've
kind of decided to change it up,put some things different and
really kind of run with it.
Really kind of run with it,like that was where I was like

(11:02):
dang, the people I've met areincredible.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I mean just the people you're throwing out there
, man, I'm like dude.
This guy's giving shout outgalore, man.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
So well it's, it's just kind of how it is.
Like these are, there's just alot of guys that I kind of a
prick Right and then.
I get talking.
I was like man, we're prettymuch the same person, You're
just a lot further along and I'mI'm going to watch you and

(11:32):
everything you do and see how Ican, like, mimic that on my own
and become better.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Who's your number one that you watch when you're
competing alongside each other,who do you watch?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
man, watch man, a big one right now, like I talked to
him quite a bit in pendletonI've talked to him right before
eugene.
I got on this horse, uh, fourstars, and it was called
thunderhead, and it can eitherbe 15 points on each side or he
can be a 23 eliminator.
And so I and it was um, who wasit?

(12:01):
It was the name was right onthe end of my tongue until I
started saying that.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Brody Wells, brody Wells.
Brody Wells Talked to him aboutthis horse and he's like I
would not travel across the roadfor that lumbering POS.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I was like, well, we're going to do it anyway,
because I got him drawn in thetwo jeans, okay.
And he texted me after he'slike, how'd it go?
And like he went, it startedout pretty good and that horse
left so hard.
They marked that horse like a23 and a half that day, okay.
And you just see my spur flyoff in the video and you just
see, like as soon as my spurflew off, like I was on the dirt

(12:38):
, yeah, I didn't have anyholding nothing and I went out
the back okay, what's that'sthat saddle bronc to bareback?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
What's the difference , man?
Because I mean I can see thedifference, but why saddle bronc
over, you know bare?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
The biggest thing for me was is it looks pretty Lefty
Holman had said in an interviewa few years back is it's more
of a dance, it's not a fight.
And I didn't quite understandthat until I talked to Tim
O'Connell this last month when Iwas down in Texas and you

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talked to someone like Lefty oryou talked to someone like Brody
and then you talked to someonelike Tim.
Tim is an animal.
He is the atmosphere that hecan bring behind the chute just
by what he says.
It'll make anybody ride.
You can feel like you can ridea grizzly bear backwards, like
it is crazy, like how.
And then you talk to someonelike lefty or brody or any of

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those guys and it's like yourjob is to make the horse look
good.
And let's say you get on like a20 point hopper and you're
lucky to be 80 points.
Maybe and it's your job kind ofmaybe you have to throw a
little bit more flash in there,like you got to kind of make it
a little bit more dramatic.
You kind of gotta gotta helpthem out and it's the biggest

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thing is making your dancingpartner look good okay, so
dancing?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
yeah, it's not, not okay, it's not a fight no, not a
fight.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, definitely a dance.
Okay now, that now is where Iwas wrong there for a minute,
like I thought it was a fight,like right like I thought it was
like all right, I'm gonna lifton this horse and pull it over
the back, like I'm gonna lift itback over itself and I'm gonna
stab it in the neck with thesehooks and like, yeah, I am like
that's the plan, but at the sametime it's like as I've gotten

(14:26):
I'm not gonna say I'm greatright now, but I'm not gonna say
I'm bad as I've progressed inmy career it's like you're just
definitely gonna have to helpfeed horses.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
You'll have to feed them some rain if you can
sometimes feel they're kind ofbeing a little different, you
kind of just kind of got to feelthem up and kind of give them
what they need okay horsemanship, I guess that's what I was
explained to, it is what is itgoing to take for you to
understand where you're at inthe game, and that you're, you
know, you, you're there, you'rethere, I know you got to, you

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know, uh, show up some more, dosome more, which you're already
doing.
But what is it going to takefor you to just realize how much
you've progressed and how muchyou've done since you know, in
the game?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
um, it's probably going to be something like I've
always looked at it.
This is like I've always likedto shoot super high my goal.
So even if I do kind of, if Idon't meet that goal, I still
meet a goal and there's stillsomething to kind of talk about,
I guess.
Yeah, but I think the biggestthing that'll help with that was
I hadn't been really good atgoal setting at all, like it was
, like I was trying to, it waskind of like a lost and we kind

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of talked about it and wheneversome goals for, like the 2025
season and everything down inTexas and like the first one was
was when the Northwest region.
Second one was, uh, making thecollege finals, being top five
in the college finals, and thesecond one was making the
college finals being top five inthe college finals.
Third was going to be making thecircuit finals Okay.

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Fourth was going to be winningor placing in the average at the
circuit finals.
And then the fifth one wasmaking the NFR Open in Colorado
Springs.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You're going to be busy, extremely, you're going to
be busy man Extremely.
It's a lot of points, a lot ofmoney.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, all right and it was just and there was and I
didn't understand what was.
And then finally, I talked to.
I talked to tim, I kind oftalked to tim quite a bit about
it actually, and there was a lotthat went on.
And I talked to chase brookstoo.
Chase brooks was like like Imet him in Big Fork, montana,

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this year before.
And I asked him.
I was like hey, are you goingto be the coach down at the
school?
He was like yeah, and he wentout and I think he was like 84,
85 on this horse and I was kindof soared up from St Paul still
Like.
I had to sit outside.
I was driving and I got downthere and he's just like dude,
any of your goals are likerealistic, like I've seen how
you ride, like everything ispossible.
I'm looking forward to whenyou're up here and I'm competing

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against you.
I know I'll see you down theroad.
Yeah, and that was a bigportion of where it was like
okay, like like if this, if thisguy's saying that and he's like
solely taking me to the sideand being like hey, like you're
doing it right, it was huge,like that was such a confidence
booster yeah, well, even I was aguy outside looking in, you

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know, when I was talking to youand green, up, up and um, like
the fair, uh, horse, heaven.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You guys have a different look at everything you
do, man.
And then I'm talking to you andI was like dude I hope these
guys don't think I'm, like youknow, blowing smoke, blowing
steam, but I'm like hearing youtalk.
Now it's the same thing, dude,like you gotta know, you're
there already.
You just have to, you know, puta little mixing on there and do

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it.
You know, time on, you'vealready had that, you just just
got to find the zone.
But, like, talking to you guys,both of you, dude, two different
people, man, like you guys arethe same, but you guys have the
same mindset, man, and it's wildto know that how much you guys

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don't believe in yourself, likeyou do, but you don't.
You guys question yourself andit's just like, why do you guys
question yourself, dude,yourself, dude, you guys have it
.
You have it more than anybodyelse around there and you know
the back of the shoots.
Yeah, right, am I right or am Iwrong?
Man, because you guys have themindset man like no other.
And talking to you, I'm likedude.

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You guys understand what youguys are saying, like for real
yeah, I know it, it know it's,it's probably.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
just it's one of those deals where, like um.
I don't know like it's alwaysbeen something that I've always
even like as an athlete growingup.
It was just one of those thingswhere it was just like I know
where I'm not where I'm at, andI'd almost kind of like play
myself down a little bit becauseit gives me that competitive
edge to kind of stop, yeah, stopdoing it, stop doing it.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Man, stop doing it.
You know who else does it,wiley dude yeah wiley dude is
one hell of an athlete, tellingthat day in, day out.
He questions himself, even onthe horse.
But look at him, dude, he's ayoung kid.
A young kid because he's youguys are way younger than I am
young kid and he's uh, what ishe?
Uh, pickup man pickup man howmany?

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bulldog and team roping how manykids that age pick up that's
you know what I mean like he'sgood at what he does too dude,
very, and he's very professional, all you guys are, and it's
just like man, you got that thatthing in your eye, man that
look that little little star.

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And it's just like guys,believe in yourself, do it, keep
doing it, don't doubt yourself.
And and seeing that, and thentalking to some kid that doesn't
have it huge difference, dude,the ones that don't have it, you
you can tell, you know, you tryto fill them up and build them
up, but, dude, they've alreadylost sight of what they want to

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do and how they want to do it.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, there was a portion there that like.
So when I first started, like Ihad to, I kind of had to, like
I've had to, I've come to thesecrossroads more than once, kind
of like the ones that I came tobefore going to UBC.
And it's happened, like it'sprobably happened like three
times in like the last like fouryears of my experience of
riding Bronx.
Like I started off riding Bronxout from where I was originally
from and the people that I wasgoing with like I just kind of

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stopped growing in a way, likeit was, and I wanted to be at a
level that I was not meeting andso I kind of took it upon
myself.
I was like you know what, I'llsacrifice leaving family for a
bit, I'll sacrifice living in acomfortable area and I ended up
meeting probably one of the bestbronc riders out of Oregon in

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your generation and mygeneration.
He's 56 years old and he's apickup man.
He picked up in Prineville, he'spicked up all over and I lived
with him for about picked up andprionville he's picked up all
over and he is probably one andI lived with him for about six
months and then he's one guythat, like, I will go to if I
have anything going on oranything wrong with my saddle or
I need someone just to tell meto get over it.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
yeah, or like pull my head out of my ass, like that's
the guy I go to, okay, and heis like, he is like he is the,
he is a cowboy, like what is itgoing to take for you, like when
you you know you made it,you're there, you're there, you
know you, you're not lookingback, you're not doing amateur,

(21:17):
you know you're paying itforward.
Hopefully you're paying itforward when you do get to where
you want ultimate goal,ultimate goal.
Who's to say you're not goingto question yourself like you're
questioning yourself now?
Who's to say that enough's notenough, that you're just going
to keep going and going anddriving yourself crazy?

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What's it going to take for youto understand?
Like dude, you don't have toprove anything.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
You're there.
That's a question.
I don't know if I even know howto answer it.
That's, that's like huge, likeI don't know.
I would definitely say likethey're definitely standing on
the back of the sheets here atthe nfr open in colorado springs
.
They're standing on the back ofthe chutes at the college
finals in casper.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, um, like the is it going to take for you to get
200 000 an nfr invite?
Yeah, is that what you know fora fact?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
it's okay probably, probably honestly, though, like
the day that I know I made, likeI know I've made it is when I
have guys like Wyatt Casper orCade Bruno or Brody Wells
finally invite me to go withthem.
Okay, when you get that invitefrom some big dogs like that,
like hey, here's your chance.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm going to run for it.
I will put everything down, Iwill leave the job that I'm
leaving.
I'll have the job, whatever isgoing on.
Yeah, because I don't know.
That is like God put that infront of you for a reason.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
And that is your calling.
That's when you know you don'thave to.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
That'll be like all right.
The real work starts now.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Really yeah, and you're going to be good with it.
Yep, you're not even going tolike doubt yourself, question
yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Nope, and like that's the biggest thing, too, that
I've learned traveling with guys.
It's just like like you're onlyas strong as your weakest guy
in the pickup.
Like you got to make sureeveryone's in the right mindset
and if you're not, like it canbe detrimental to like a pickup.
Um, I would definitely say like, like, like, like that was.

(23:26):
I was joking around with mytraveling partner this year and
he's like dude, like you'vedriven so much and like you've
hardly gotten on.
I was like well, it's just thatyear, I guess.
Like I needed it more for mymental health, I guess just
driving around well that andjust um, being supportive, like
it wasn't, like it was okay,like, for example, I had that
horse fall me in st paul, wentto malala, tore my knee, and
then we had to be in big fork.
Or we had to go to the pinenewport and we had to go to big

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fork, and so it was the biggestthing was is like all right, I'm
sort of I've got broken ribs,broke ribs before the fourth of
july, go in there, how thathorse fall over on me, tear a
bunch of stuff in my knee and Ihad to turn out.
But at the same time it wasjust like all right, these are
my boys like, these are my guys,these are family like I like,
and I seen what they were drawnover the fourth of july, like

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they're like case, and he hadone drawn and big fork that
chase brooks.
The only reason he even enteredthat rodeo was to draw that
horse and it was, and he drew it.
Yeah, and he drew it and it wasthe coolest horse I've ever seen
yeah it was so cool, okay, andum, it's definitely like keeping
everything positive, like itwas probably more of just like a

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humbling experience, knowingthat like every now and then you
got to put somebody else first,yeah, anyway, and it honestly
didn't bother me, like it wasI'm here, I'm on the road, I'm
with my buddies, I'm watchingbronc riding.
Yeah, like, okay, like, yeah, abig thing with us too is just
like it was.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm on the road, I'm with my buddies, I'm watching
bronc riding.
Yeah, like, okay, like, yeah.
A big thing with us too is justlike it was kind of cool.
We kind of keep the drinkingdown to a minimum on the
weekends, like usually, like.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's difficult, but okay.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, and like that's always kind of how I've been,
though Like I haven't I haven'treally been big party, or like
it was.
Yeah, um, it's like.
It's like all right, like we'llhave one or two, like maybe
after the rodeo, but like yeah,it's not like we're getting
trashed every night.
We'll go and have one or two andhead off to the next one then
like let's say it's like a lastpurpose saturday and we don't

(25:16):
have anything to go to sunday,but then that's when we'll tune
up yeah, after kennewick youguys went somewhere the next day
, right?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
after I saw you yeah, you guys were just here there,
everywhere in between.
So how do you keep thatschedule?
How do you keep that schedule,especially since you started
school now, you know?
How do you keep that schedule.
How do you go from one town tothe next and with minimum hours,
dude minimum in between.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
that too, yes, um.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I see you have a Red Bull, but still does not give
you wings all the time.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Sometimes it does Like, sometimes you're on
another level.
Um, I would definitely have tosay like a lot like.
For me, like gotta have a lotof faith in like what you're
doing, like you gotta have a lotof faith in the direction
you're heading in it.
And I guess counting on thoselittle positives, like those
little wins, kind of keeps megoing down the road pretty

(26:14):
successful.
And it was and I heard it likethis was probably the best quote
like I've ever heard fromanybody.
And I was down there at thatschool and like a lot of guys
look, when they get hurt on theroad and they have to go home, a
lot of them look at it as likenegative.
And Tim O'Connell's just likedude, what's done in the dark is
brought to the light when allthe hard work is finished.

(26:35):
And I was just like and he'slike it's a privilege to be able
to go home and rest in themiddle of the summer.
And I didn't think about itlike that.
And then I was like man,there's a reason he has so many
world champion buckles.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's like a whole different mindset.
Yeah, everything it was huge,but it like it.
It's crazy, like it's.
There's so much to it.
Like it, I mean it.
It depends on where best out,like, depending on, like, where
you want to go, like courtlane's money.
I heard court lane with money,yeah, like it ended up working
out pretty good.
I didn't.
I didn't have the best drawnodds that weekend.

(27:10):
I mean this, like I said, thisyear for me it was kind of I do
the eliminators all year longand I got my butt handed, yeah,
but it was all part of theprocess, like and that's how I
look at it was just like it wasjust it was just my year to do
that, okay, and and it's notlike anything was out to get me
and I had the terrible peopledrawing horse.
for me it's just one of thoseyears.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It was just one of those things that I needed to
deal with.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Right, but you kicked butt at it though, man.
Tried, I did all right yeah,what made you get your PRCA card
?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
man, I finally got to the point of where, like,
honestly, like my biggest fearis like being like an amateur
team, like having never leaving.
That is my biggest fear, like Idon't ever want to be like that
, like it is Like.
And the other thing too is justlike the caliber guys, anybody

(28:04):
can step foot in an amateur pinand win a bronc round.
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
But it's different if you can go to Kennewick and
spur one to be 86.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Not a lot of people make that jump, though man.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You made the jump.
It's kind of one of those dealswhere how my brother explained
to me with his training and hislifestyle work was like a sink
or swim scenario.
If you just jump in, you got togo, you got to figure out what
you're going to do right quick.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, All right.
What rodeo is your biggestpurse man?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I had one this last year we were down in.
I was down in Grounds Passright about the week after the
high desert down was like 3000.
That one was really nice.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Went to California for a week and got on practice
horses all that next week.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, and that's how you spent your money, huh.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, getting better, getting better.
The plane ticket was relativelycheap.
Got to go sit on the beach fora little bit and enjoy some
waves and some sunshine, andthat one was probably the
biggest one in like the lastyear.
Like that one was probably thebiggest one in like the last
year.
That one was pretty nice.
The pro rodeos did not go as Iwould have planned.
I kind of had a being going.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Still, you're there, you're making the most of it.
Dude, you know quite the driver.
Quite the tag team guy, quiteyou know just a humble kid,
right?
So?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
who's your driving mate, cason Pearson, cason
Pearson, cason Pearson, out ofIdaho, he's a good cat to have
in a pickup.
He's pretty savvy in the broncriding world.
Like he's pretty funny.
We're both kind of on the samekind of atmosphere and it's one
of those deals where, like it'snice because we can even if one

(30:01):
of us is having a bad day orsomething like that, we can both
kind of step up and be likealright, yeah, I might just mess
that horse up or I got backedoff, but we both realize that
one of us still has thepossibility to make money and
you guys traveled to the sameplaces, same time.
Yeah, and I didn't even know him.
Last year I actually had avideo of him on my phone from
the year before, not knowing whothis kid was, and I was.

(30:22):
I was a video on the horse thatwas going, because I had it
late.
I had had it earlier in theseason, so I was hoping it would
be better and it was like Idon't even know this kid.
And then finally, um, we endedup meeting up a couple places
and I was like, hey, you want tohop in on the fourth and so
that's how you guys do it.
I always wondered how you guysget yeah you just riding buddies
man yeah, you just kind of findsomebody that you vibe with you

(30:44):
, meet him at the meet himhaving a beer, or if you're a
word of mouth through somebodyand just let him kind of hop in
okay, so and picky, though I'mdefinitely picky with the guys
that travel, we're sure got itman to have that mindset of
yours.
Somebody has to be the samemindset you know, or you're out

(31:04):
yep, and now and that, likethere, there has been those
cases where it was just likethere was a kid that I was
talking to, about going with,and he kind of had a hot head.
After one thing he disappearedand I was like, hey, bro, like I
kind of needed you to kind ofcome help me.
Like you travel with me, youtravel with me.
You slept the whole way.
You slept the whole way.
You were supposed to help mepull my and give me a head out

(31:25):
on my horse and you just sleptand you disappeared when I
needed you and I was like allright, that's enough of that.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Okay.
So when you're traveling, man,what do you do?
Do you guys listen to music?
You know that's the number onequestion nowadays.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Dude, who do you guys listen to?
What do you guys do?
What do you guys eat?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So let's go music-wise dude Music, like
honestly, like I listen to sucha wide variety, Like it's real
pinpoint in the beginning of theseason, but then at the end of
the year I'll be listening tostuff that I don't ever think I
would listen to.
Like what Like.
Let's say, like I'll listen tolike some Tupac and then by the

(32:06):
end of the year, like I'll bedriving through some town at
like midnight listening to somelike jazz.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Really yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like it was.
We were in.
Where was that we were comingdown from?
Oh, we were going from cordallane to um enum clock and my
buddy passed out.
It was two o'clock and he,finally, he's like dude.
I tried like yeah I was tryingto stay up and finally I was
like I just have to findsomething else to listen to and
like, like there's a jowlstation coming on.
I didn't have no service, it'sthe only thing that play on the
radio.
All All right, I was just like.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You got to get Sirius XM or something man.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's what I thought I had.
Like, I got the, that's what Ithought I had, and then I
realized I didn't.
Okay, it was a learningexperience.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
But no, listen to a lot of Def Leppard for me Okay,
of aerosmith kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
there's like a couple songs that I can listen to.
That'll kind of get me rightinto the mindset.
Okay, it's probably about thesame stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I listen to in the gym.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Okay, so the old classic rock as yeah, classic
rock or like kind of like.
Uh, it's like three days graceto scale it every now and then.
Um, who else there's such a?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's different.
It's different because a lot ofpeople listen to that country.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'll listen to some old.
I try to listen to a lot morered dirt music.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oh yeah, dude, that's where it's at.
I like the red dirt music.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I like some Treaty Oak Revival going down the road.
I can rock with them, I can jamout to them.
I used to listen to them onYouTube when they first came out
.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Oh, okay, rock with them, like that I can jam out to
them.
I was to listen to them onyoutube when they first came out
, oh okay, and so it was justlike daughter loves him.
I uh saw him at wheat stockthis recently um what is it he
he looks?
Yeah, he looks that smallfestival.
But yeah, she fell in love withhim and now she's like I'm like
, oh my god, trade-out revival.
I'm like, oh my God, his voice.
I can only take so much of hisvoice, dude.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I just like a lot of his songs.
A lot of his songs are like alot of his, like you can relate
to a lot of stuff, yeah, thelyrics yeah yeah, yeah, I
definitely say that's a bigthing too for me.
It's like sometimes it's beat,sometimes it's word Depends on
the mood.
I'm like other days throw onsome Tupac and jam out.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Sounds like my wife.
My wife is a dude.
She loves that gangster rap man.
You wouldn't even think untilyou actually hung out with her
and she's just all aboutgangster rap.
I'm like what the heck?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
is this.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
And I'm just like the biggest metal head of them all
and very, very, very picky oncountry dude I don't listen to
too much country.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
What's your metal playlist?
Well, like who's the top guyyou go to?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
oh, man, bro, like normally there's not a top one
like I always.
If you look at my spotify andapple, uh, I always listen to it
at work and then whatnot itequals out.
Chevelle is top notch, alwaysup there, but I, like man, a lot
of metalcore, christian music,dude like you can't hear a word.

(35:10):
They say, but I mean that thatstuff is pretty good, but I
listen to a lot of uh, metal andman.
What else?
Coltis is one of them.
They're kind of new but itdepends.
It depends on, uh, who it is.
I like the browning.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
The browning is really good I don't think I've
listened to him.
I'll have to give him a try onyeah hardcore keem.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Have you seen him in uh instagram?
He's a huge instagraminfluencer, but he but he takes
the people that are starting outmetal, metal bands that are
just starting out and he'll dothe reactions on them.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
You've seen them?
Oh, I probably have man Blackguy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
He's been on the podcast and, yeah, he's the
guitarist.
He started out as the bassist,but now he's the guitarist of
the band and, oh man, him andand I, we shoot it back and
forth.
But it's more of a electronicmetal and dude, it's just you
feel it.
You feel it, I think you'lllike it if you do check them out
I probably will, like I know Istill gotta.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'm always looking for new music I I listen to,
like I think the one that Ipopped into like last week was,
I think, some Five Finger DeathPunch.
Oh okay.
The other one was like AmityAffection, oh okay, like kind of
some harder stuff oh yeah, butit's just kind of it depends,
Like I've been leaning a lotmore towards that, like Buck

(36:38):
Cherry too.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
They're pretty good oh yeah, I remember seeing them
when they first came out.
Man, no one knew who they were.
They came out right before LitAlbum.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And then Shinedown.
Okay, shinedown's pretty good,I've been liking their stuff
quite a bit.
And then, yeah, freakingOffspring Godsmack.
A lot of the kind of heavierstuff in the gym.
It just kind of helps you findthat it's the same stuff I
listen to when I'm getting readyto ride.

(37:09):
It helps find that extra gear.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So are you all about the extra gear?
Because a lot of peopleespecially the bull riding, you
know guys they want to be in zen, they want to be not so crunked
up to the point that the onlytime they have that adrenaline
is when they're riding.
So do you get yourself pumpedup and then ride, or do you just

(37:38):
wait at zen and then dude,you're like it's kind of like a
buildup for me.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
It's like I'll start off with some kind of real soft
kind of like some Sweet Emotion.
Camaro Smith.
I'll kind of start off rightabout there, nice kind of
breaking into it.
And then we'll go to likethunderstruck when I'm really
getting ready to ride, and thenwe'll jump into like godsmack

(38:05):
and kind of that skillet kind ofall right that sound of music
where everything kind of is justlike well.
That's typically what I jump towhen I'm getting ready to do a
big set in the gym and I try tokeep that music specifically
only for those moments of whereI'm either hitting that big set
or I'm getting on that horse.
And then the big thing I'venoticed too is I've been trying
to get in progress with beforeI'm getting on I'll listen to

(38:28):
music for a little bit and thenfinally just turn it off and
embrace kind of everything elsethat's going on.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Talk to guys joke around.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
You joke around.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Not like.
I don't like joke around likeyou can definitely tell like I'm
in a pretty good mood when I'mback there, like it's more of a.
It's more of a kind of likeloose feeling, I guess.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, can't ride bronx tents reminds me of the
bull rider lane vaughn oh, yeah,yeah, I like lane lane lane's a
wild kid man.
You said you're a linky guy andI wanted to bring up lane
vaughn lane.
Vaughn man he's.
He's the same kind of size.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, I know Lane quite well.
I've helped him pull the ropequite a few times.
We ran into each other quite afew times.
He's one of those guys you canwalk up and talk shit to.
And then he throws it rightback.
I missed you Lane, when youbeen.
He just had quite the deal downthere in Texas.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
The permit deals.
He, this is a permit deal he's,he's getting up there, man, he
he's killing it and it is, andit is badass to watch.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, but he's not the average rider, though, no,
and that's what he stick.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
He sticks out because of it, man, you're like dude,
how does he do it?
But he does it, he does andhe's making a name for himself.
Man the ginger.
Oh boy, lane long man.
Yeah, I remember, remember himright in.
Oh boy, lane Wong man.
Yeah, I remember him right inhigh school, man.
That's when I first found him.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, I know, like that was kind of a lot of these
kids I've met and a lot of theseguys I've met like they're like
, oh, like you, high schoolrodeo or nothing.
I'm like, no, I had no ideawhat this was.
I did every sport I could inhigh school I wrestled, played
um basketball or played football, baseball, play a little bit of
soccer, did lacrosse for alittle bit.

(40:04):
I was like kind of everything,everything my older brother did,
like I tried to like magnifyand do it so much better than he
did.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
It's crazy to know that you guys, you know, you
guys played sports.
You guys weren't always, youknow, in the rodeo.
You guys played regular sports.
You know, you guys are athletesyourself, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
But then you guys stick with the rodeo scene, yeah
, and it was, and a lot ofpeople like I went to.
Like every now and then I liketo go home and I'm pretty.
What's nice is being anex-football player at that high
school, that I went to.
Like I can call the coach.

(40:43):
I'll be like hey, can I stop inand swing a lift in, and he's
like yeah, and so I'll sit inthere with all the coaches from,
like my senior year andsophomore year and talk to them
and like they're like oh sohow's everything going?
it'll be like eight differentguys that watch me grow up
through the program and it'scool that they're still there
yep, and then, and then, um, andthen they just then.
They're just like.
We would have never guessed.
This is where the rap wouldhave gone right they're like we
figured baseball for sure.
And then they're like nowyou're riding bucket horses for

(41:05):
a living yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So what made that that change though?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
um, I started realizing a big thing for me was
I think that had a lot to dowith.
It was like so baseball is likemy like pride and joy, like
that was it.
Like, yeah, like I want to goplay in the MLB, wanted to go to
Notre Dame, go play over there,did a lot of baseball factory
stuff for those guys did a lotof like, did a lot of like mound

(41:30):
time, did a lot of liketraveling, traveling ball.
And then got into high schooland that's kind of right about
where I started kind of gettingburned out.
Like first year was pretty goodand then, like the next three
years, I had three differentcoaches.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh, okay, I got you.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And so, like the last year, that coach finally stuck
around.
I think he just got twoback-to-back state champs with
the program from all the kidsthat, like us older kids, were
helped bringing up and they'dcome to our youth camps, okay,
and so I kind of just got towatch, like these last two years
, these two teams go back toback and the state champs and I
was like man, that's huge, Iwish that would have been us,
but at the same, time we're likeat least it finally turned

(42:10):
around yeah, it turned aroundand you were the one to help yep
, and that then the guys to helpyeah and it's and it's and it's
, and like you can be like someguys will be like upset about it
, like man, that could have beenus, like if we would have just
had our stuff figured out.
It's just like man we I mean wedid like, yeah, we left our own
little imprint there.
Like you, being a nice personto somebody one day can make the
biggest impact on anyone.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
That's like everywhere, man.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, you can take time to talk to like you can
take time Like there's.
I'm sure you've seen that signon Facebook it was about.
It was posted somewhere, Ithink it was down south about
rodeo athletes.
Be like, be careful what yousay to these kids, because one
day they're going to be lookingup and they're going to act just
like you.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
See that, behind the chutes, those signs.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yep, and I haven't seen one up here, but I saw one
down South and I seen that and Iwas just like that is like huge
.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, there's not too many perks out there.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I mean, there are some it's always the people in
the for in it for the wrongreasons.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that is the only thing I'venoticed, like it's just like
and doubt.
I had somebody asked me thatthe other day Cause like I had
because I do that stuff andthat's kind of where I kind of
put all my videos and stuff outon and somebody was just like
are all you guys just like rudeand mean?

(43:22):
And I was like usually only theguys that are in it for their
own reason you talk to anybodythat's in it with, like, the
right intentions, they're goingto be the coolest cat out there.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and you can pretty much point them
out.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Or see.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
It'll give it time, Like give it time and it'll come
out.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So your goal this coming upyear, what's your first goal?
Like, when does the seasonstart?
It already started, but youguys are on a break, correct?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
We had two rodeos.
First one was in Colfax,washington.
I was kind of going through ahard spot there and then I ended
up missing the horse out.
And then the other one I gotbucked off of and I was still
pretty sore in my knee, stillrecovering.
And then we had one inSusansville and I drew this gray
horse.
I've never seen a bad gray.
They're either really reallycool or they're not there

(44:15):
because they suck.
And I had this gray, it was socool.
And then we have, I think,three more coming up here in the
spring.
Okay, so goals to right now,goals to Heal, heal, obviously,
but first big goal is to win theNorthwest region.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Northwest region and when do you know when that hits,
when the northwest region,northwest region, and when do
you?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
know when that hits well, when they're when like
northwest region um, well, rightnow my traveling partner's
leading it right now, so keepingit in the house and I'm living
with him, so so so keeping that,keeping it right in there in
between the house and uh, thatwould probably be the biggest
thing is, um, I don't know when,because I mean the whole

(45:03):
college rodeo is still new to me, like I'm still learning a lot
about it, like I know, likethere's like a point system and
stuff, like yeah, yeah, and Iwas just like man, I was here to
ride bronx, like right, I seethere's a standings, which is
kind of cool one yeah yeah, butdefinitely find myself iron
sharpens iron, I know 100 standbehind that okay, so it's

(45:27):
college rodeo.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And then when is uh prca picking up for you?
When are when's?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
your first one, so I'm hoping it might get pushed
back.
But hopefully we're gonna getdown to florida in february.
Hopefully get down there forlike a month yeah, at least two
weeks.
Um, I'd met a few guys fromgeorgia, minneapolis, minnesota,
um chase brooks, a couple guysfrom texas, and they're like,

(45:52):
hey, like when you get a chancelike come down to florida for a
little bit Like it's not goingto be all rainbows and sunshine,
but it'll be it'll help you getthat money, like to kind of get
into some stuff.
Yeah, like I'm hoping I can getinto like maybe Fallon for
their winter Bronx deal on newyear's.
They've got like a buck andball deal and then, um, yeah, I

(46:15):
think the next one will beFlorida, I think.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Florida hopefully.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think the next one will be Florida.
I think Florida, Hopefully.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's the plan, Dude .
I know some people in BamaFlorida, those boys party man,
They'll treat you right yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
No for sure.
I met a kid from Georgia downthere at that last school.
I went to Big old, tall,lengthy kid yeah, and he's a
bareback rider.
He reminds me of RC.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
How do I?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
He's tall, big old, tall, lengthy kid, yeah, and
he's a bareback rider and hereminds me of rc.
How do I he's?
Oh, yeah, he'll hit yourceiling and so I met him and
he's just like dude, come ondown, I could stay at the house
and nice, florida's like it'seight hours from him and texas,
I think, is eight hours theother way I was like well, we
can go either way, depending onwhat part of Texas yeah, I think
that's just the border.
Yeah, oh man.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
All right, so Florida and then Texas.
Again, you going to hit upTexas, like you did this year.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I think.
So I think it'll be a wisedecision, because right now
we're kind of getting to thatpoint, like we've kind of got
like a half indoor, half outdoorarena there at the college and
so like the bucking shoots areoutdoors, yeah, half outdoor
arena there at the college, andso like the the bucking shoots
are outdoors, yeah, and so itkind of sucks that like it's
cold and it's frozen, yeah, butthen bmcc just put in that brand
new like indoor center so maybeI can con blake west into

(47:31):
letting us come down there andgetting on some horses okay,
when do you guys practice?
man?
Um, usually Usually so, likefor me, like for the college,
like they usually rope almostevery day.
And then rough stock practiceis normally Tuesday and
Thursdays.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And that was what it was up until, I think, December
1st.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
So that I mean you guys do that every day,
throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Other than in breaks.
We'll probably give it a breakhere for probably another month,
probably January, probably giveit a break.
The kids really want to go outand find something like myself
I'm toying with going down toTexas for a week or something
like that Just going down toStockyards and getting on stuff

(48:18):
a week or something like thatand go, just going down like the
stockyards and going andgetting on stuff, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
So how is the college rodeo like when it comes to you
know telling coach, hey, likeyou have to keep them informed,
right oh yeah, like he's, he'spretty cool with it well he has
to be.
He's one of the best in thenation, correct?
Oh yeah he has the best program.
Who, okay, who's the coach?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
uh, drew pearsons, drew pearsons drew pearsons and
that's ended up being case.
And dunkel, he's pretty savvy,used to ride bulls, used to
fight bulls, used to ride bronxand um, he's been around and he
knows what he's talking aboutand he's definitely there, and
so I think he gets fed up withus sometimes when we won't pull
our heads out of our ass I thinkthat's everyone right, everyone

(48:59):
right.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So so the guy he has one of the best in in in the
nation right right programs, howdoes he take you guys going to
texas, florida?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
he's all about it, like he knows, like he
understands that, like we'retrying to get to that level and
he understands that we're tryingto that.
Like college is like a steppingstone into like the prca.
Essentially, like you're seeingall these judges that you're
going to run into and at the prorodeos, at these college rodeos
, and you get to know my name,you get to kind of come out and

(49:33):
see you, and so finally it opensa bigger avenue and it lets you
kind of do things a little bitdifferent.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
What what happens if you get hurt?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Occupational hazard.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I mean it's yeah, that's just what I told everyone
.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's like, they're like well doesn't it suck when
you get hurt.
I was like, yeah, but like andI feel like a lot of guys will
agree with me on this, Like andwell, at least anybody like in
my shoes or it's come from me is, the sooner you come to terms
with you that you can get hurt,yeah, and that like you could
possibly die or you can get likeit'll be in a wheelchair for
the rest of your life.

(50:08):
Yeah, you will ride so muchbetter when your mind is sound.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Okay, you know what I mean by it.
Though I always like crosscountry.
I coach cross country at thelocal high school, right, and
the last thing I want is a kidto run a 10k while in season,
right, you know, yeah, like allright what?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
is he he'll?
He'll probably as long as we'reback for the college rodeo yeah
, that's all he cares about.
Yeah, okay, as long as we'remaking him points, okay, points
it's like and it's and it's likea point system, I guess.
So, like I guess you can, as myunderstanding, and I might be
completely wrong, and he mightlisten to this and be like
you're an idiot nah, nah but um,so you can put.

(50:55):
It's almost like betting.
I guess you can put like yourvotes on who's in a ride, for,
like your, you'll have roughstock events and you have time
events and you put certain pointnumbers on those people and if,
like like let's say, he putslike two points on me or
something like that, and I'mlike I don't know exactly how to
explain it, it pretty much justmagnifies it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So that point system goes up for that, so they're
allowed to put points on you.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, so they'll put you in that situation to help
build points.
I guess there's so much stuff Istill have to learn about it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
It's almost like the teams right.
Essentially the PBR teams.
Oh yeah, best man up, let's go.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, exactly, that's actually a perfect example,
because I was trying to think ofhow I was going to explain that
.
And then I like I watch bullriding sometimes, like usually
when Shane Scott's out, butthat's about it.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Right, Okay, All right.
Well, who's your athlete?
You love to watch man, eitherwhen you're competing with or
just on tv um what sport?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
just dude what, whatever if they're there, you
don't miss.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You don't miss them, man um, it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's kind of hard like all the like.
All the guys that I kind ofgrew up watching baseball are
all retired now like they'rethey're all kind of falling out.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Not really.
I mean Trout's still aroundwhen he's not hurt.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, when he's not hurt Harper, when he's not
benched or ejected.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Correct, that's funny .

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Jeter.
He used to be the big deal andnow he's just retired in a box
and watching the games and stufflike that.
But on the rodeo side of thingslike probably I don't know Like
I like going back and lookingthrough all the old pictures
from like Pendleton, calgarySisters.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
So you like the history, I like the history.
So St Paul, st Paul.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Malala.
I got a book on how like kindof everything was started up
here in the Northwest, howeverything originated with the
Christensen brothers right outhere and they had, they took
their best mares that they hadthat were just rank and they
bred them to a couple of studsthat they had bought and kind of
how everything started up herein the Northwest and they used

(53:17):
to.
What book it's?
Pendleton to Calgary.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Pendleton to Calgary, tim McAprey and I and it goes
from everything.
It goes into the backstory ofPendleton and Jackson Sundown to
the Christensen brothers.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And how Vold bought them out.
And now Vold has pretty muchthe original lines to pretty
much everything up here in thenorthwest of buck and horses and
bulls, essentially okay.
I'm like it's definitely saylike that's the biggest thing,
like is it's like I always feellike I was born in the wrong
generation because I look atthis but like man I could I'd be

(53:51):
doing that, like that's oldwise man yeah, essentially the
stuff that you were saying, thewise stuff, dude, I'm like man
where's man?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
where's this?
This guy?
Full of it, dude, not full ofyou know shit, but, dude, you're
full of wise sayings, dude.
I'm like, who's this guy?
Who is this guy?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
man, just try to take in what I can.
I had somebody reach out to methat I didn't follow and I had
no idea who they were and it waslike, hey man, I didn't know I
needed to hear that today.
But thanks, and someone hadcome at me.

(54:29):
They're like, oh, you must befighting your head on a lot of
stuff and kind of being rudeabout it.
I was just like, no, I justkind of post that stuff because
you never know what people aregoing through.
Right, and I've come to thatunderstanding that just a simple
word or reading somethingthrough somebody's day can just
switch everything all around.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well, just you coming out, man, you coming out, dude.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
It's crazy.
It was worth it, like I said, Ididn't have anything going on.
It was like I I was just gonnasit at home, I mean take care of
some school work, kind of tryand find some jobs, and probably
go to the gym twice.
Okay, then I needed a rest day,so gotcha.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So you're on a break, so you decided to go from
ontario to tri-cities.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Dude, oh yeah, in the teacup studio where you're
messing with my daughter'spuffer stickers yeah, I know
I've been trying to figure outwhat these things are on the
back and it's been like it'skind of like a who knows, this
is just dude I fiddle with somuch.
You know, you're not the onlyone you're not the only one.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Everybody that's been in here they they take puffer
stickers.
But you know what?
It's only over there that haspuffer stickers and and and
girly stickers and kid stickers.
It's funny how she picks thatout.
Man, it's a six-year-old,that's lillian for you.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
But yeah, it's funny how you guys just pick and and
just mess with all the stickers,even like even like when I'm
driving, I still do that stufflike I'll find something and
like I'll be sitting there andjust messing with it and my
buddies will be like dude, I'llbe sitting there with a pen just
like clicking it.
Oh, that will drive me nuts, orlike or like, or like a lighter,
just flicking lighter, just.

(56:11):
Oh, okay then, just somethingto mess with when I'm driving,
or or like that pickup I havehas a sunroof.
That sunroof will be down like12 o'clock at night with the
camper on and they'll be asleepand they'll be like.
It'll probably be like 50degrees outside.
I'll throw a sweatshirt on.
No, I'm driving, crank up sometunes, open the sunroof.
It's a nice night like it's.

(56:32):
It's nice, I enjoy.
It feels like home on the roada lot all right.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Well, teac teacup studio.
Wiley loves a teacup studio.
I'm like dude, let's gettogether.
Let's do one on Zoom.
He's like no, I have to bethere.
I'm like dude, are you kiddingme?
Every time he's around or we goaround, my daughter's all about
Wiley.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Dude, yeah, every time yeah, every time, every
time we go.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Every time we go somewhere just you know to just
you know watch wiley, orsomewhere where wiley's at.
Where's wiley, she's wiley.
She tells her girls every timeat school because I work where
she goes to school, right, andshe's like oh yeah, you gotta
see, you, you gotta see him, yougotta see him.
Oh, he's so cute.
I'm like, oh my god he's a manright, right yeah it's funny,

(57:25):
man.
It's funny.
He turns red as hell.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I'm like bro you just it's kind of funny, like I've
seen him in some situation wherehe just turns bright red yeah,
and it's just like.
They're like wiley lighten upbud, it's all right right man,
I'm like wiley bro.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Wiley bro, you should be playing in the field, but I
get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, I like Wiley quite a bit.
Like if you talk to anybodythere at the college they'll
kind of know me as pretty quiet,like I'm, pretty I do a lot
more watching.
Like I had like two rodeos withthe team and like everyone kind
of knew me from around, like,yeah, like the bull riders, like
like lane, like I've seen laternot lane, but like brock cooper

(58:02):
, like um zach, seen wileyaround a little bit.
He'd actually sent my buddy apicture of me getting
dashboarded this summer and Igot knocked the fuck out like I
got dumped on my head.
I had a big old black eye, myhat was messed up and I was like
you're the one, you're thedickhead that sent that picture
to me.
You know it's a psych and andhe's just like that was you.

(58:25):
I was like I got that on videoand I was like, oh, I got the
picture to see.
Like it was funny that's hisway.
I think that's his joking waylike oh yeah, no, and it don't
bother me.
Now I'm like growing up withfive brothers, including myself.
Like okay like kind.
I'm the middle child that tookto be from both ends yeah.
I could try and beat up on theyounger ones and then I'd get in

(58:46):
trouble because I was beatingup on them.
Then I'd go try and beat up onthe older ones.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I'd get my ass handed yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
A little like a little back story.
I'm like older brother.
He was in the special forces inthe navy and so he'd come back
after he'd been gone for like ayear yeah and doing all the
stuff.
When I come back, I can, I cantake it dumps me like just, I
was like man.
All that training, oh yeah sowhat?

Speaker 1 (59:12):
what keeps you clear-headed man?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
um, honestly, like, probably, like, probably.
Like the gym as funny as itsounds, like that's where,
that's where I fight all mybattles, like that is where I
take, like, if I'm feeling likeeven like shooting.
I was thinking about that todayas it's like kind of been
anxious about some stuff, kindof been anxious about the job.

(59:38):
I've kind of been anxious aboutsome stuff, kind of been
anxious about the job, kind ofbeen anxious about the holidays
and how I'm going to makeeverything worth the season, and
it's just like I go to the gymand it makes me feel like I can
do something about it.
I can go lift 500 pounds andlike it's not me actually doing
anything about it, but it's justkind of that let off of being
like if I put everything, if Iput everything, if I I could be

(01:00:01):
lifting like my 200 pounds andeverything can be on that, I can
just kind of let all my weightoff on that and it feels like I
can do something about it.
And that's probably and that'sthose are the days that I'll put
in.
Like I got a playlist on myphone called hate music and it's
a lot of that really reallykind of like kind of that um

(01:00:22):
skillet type of music, okay,kind of three days grace kind of
where helps me kind of fightthose battles.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I guess that, and then praying about it, I guess,
okay, brain's been one thingthat I'm in the best at and
something I'm trying to getbetter at okay but, yeah,
because it I just hearing you,knowing what you you've done,
how much you've done, you know,over the course of the year to,

(01:00:50):
and knowing that you got incollege, you're so level-headed
you're, you know you're an ablebody who's hungry and man, you
can.
It can go one way, it can gothe other way, but you, you know
you go, you're going the thepositive way, the good way.
So I just thought I'd ask, like, what keeps you level-headed?

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
yeah, no, I mean I've , I've, like I said earlier,
like I've definitely come intothose cross, those crossroads,
like it was, just like I have.
I have the ability to go thisway or I can go that way and
this way it might be a littlebit harder and it's gonna be the
right way.
It's gonna require moresacrifice.
This way I can go back here andlike, let's say, moving home I

(01:01:33):
can be in the security of myparents house and get to see my
family all the time and probablyget a better paying job over
there and all this and that.
But I'm not going to get theexperiences of living by myself
for like the last four yearsmoved, lived a lot of different
places, lived in a lot ofdifferent houses, slept out of
my car, lived out of my car fora couple of times when I had a

(01:01:55):
car, lived out of my camper fora couple of times.
I've done it.
I'm not saying like I'm nottrying to sound like I've got
all this, like like I have allthis experience, but like I feel
like I've done quite a bit likein between, like living in
different places and houses andcars and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Everything works out how it's supposed to yeah, and
if you lived at home, youwouldn't be the wise old man
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
And here's a good example of that.
So my buddy Case this summerthere was a situation that came
up and I told him I was likedude, this is going to go two
ways.
I already knew exactly what wasgoing to happen.
I was like this is going to gotwo ways, this is the way I

(01:02:42):
would go.
And then this is the way it'sprobably gonna go, because
you're gonna figure it out,you're gonna fuck around and
find out, yeah.
Then well, he did it and hesays why didn't you tell me?
I was like dude, I left it upto you, like, I gave you my best
advice and you decided to walkright up to that bear and poke
it and I was like well, like,and he's just like.
I was like you know listening.
He's like probably not, butI'll take it into consideration
a little bit highly next, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Can't do everything for people, man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Nope, and I would definitely say like and that and
that's like.
There was someone that I wastalking to.
They're like like, why don'tlike, like?
Why do you need to do all this?
And I was just like I wouldn'tbe the person that I am.
Like I've, I don't, I don'tlike.
Maybe it's just a humble thingtoo is why I'm on a different

(01:03:23):
notice, why I don't think ofmyself as like this high
performance, I'm not doing thesport like I am Right, I got you
Parents kind of raised me tojust be humble and take praise
from people rather than praiseyourself.
No, people rather than praiseyourself.
But it was just one of thosedeals where just being humble is
huge.
You'll go.

(01:03:43):
That was something that wasalways kind of not beat into us
but, growing up in a Christianfamily, just let other people
praise you and it'll work out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Okay, and that is.
Is that the number one reasonwhy you keep doing what you're
doing nonstop?
Yeah, I mean To get that praise, or?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
No, I wouldn't even say, I wouldn't even necessarily
say that Like, yeah, it's nice,like, but like, like probably
for the first two and a half,three years of my career riding
Bronx, like my parents didn'tcome to a single rodeo.
They did not like seeing me gethurt and I got dashboarded a
lot.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
It's not the first I've heard, man.
There's a lot of parents thatdon't go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, and so like.
Then they finally startedfiguring out like, oh, like he's
actually making it.
And then one of my buddies thathad met me and had been riding
for quite a bit longer finallytook him aside, like he's got
what it takes, like he justneeds you guys to show up every

(01:04:44):
once in a while and you want tosee a performance upgrade.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Watch that and watch how it rides.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I'm not just like thanks for saying that.
Right, I don't know how to saythat.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man, that's awesome.
But and like, just like withlearning, like you'll make
friends, you'll lose friends.
You'll meet people, you'll seepeople off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Like Frank Sinatra said, that's life.
Exactly that's life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
And it's such a wild ride.
I can only imagine, and youcan't do it if you're like the
biggest thing that I willprobably live by until the day
that I die is like comfort killsdreams, like like yeah, like
well, there's a certain pointwhere, like you know, you've
made it, and then there's acertain point that you're trying
to get to and you'recomfortable with where you're at

(01:05:21):
.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Okay, and the only time you're going to be
comfortable is when you're$200,000 a year and NFR.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
We'll see I'll find somethingelse.
Now go for the Canadian finalsthen, yeah, oh yeah, canadian
finals yeah, oh yeah I'm gonnatry and be zach dowles.
He's another boy that I look upto quite a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Zach is an animal.
Hey, speaking of canada man,did you listen to live peter's
episode?
30 minutes long, dude, but dude, hey, those canadians, they
love dude, they love rodeo.
And I tell you what thatepisode?
I put it out just a couple daysago and it exceeded all
expectations.
Dude, those Canadians don'tmess around man, but she's a

(01:06:03):
female bull rider and model.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I did see a couple of pictures that you posted.
I was looking through yourpodcast and I did see the
episode that came out, but Ididn't get to listen to you,
those boys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
they support her man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
There's another girl out of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Down in Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, the Rice Bronx.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I tried to get a hold of her, but you've got to be
like friends of a friend to geta hold of her on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, well, she was just down there at the.
I think she was just down thereat the high school finals in
Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I don't know how it went.
I just seen a couple of peoplepost pictures and um good way to
probably get in touch with heris like bonnie erickson out of
burns she's a stock contractorand she probably knows exactly
how to get older well, I wastrying to get through uh,
through uh cash colby, or uhsamson.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
You know that that close-knit group, oh yeah,
johnny samson, but um, but noman, it's a, it's close-knit man
, though that female dude, she'sbadass, and to even yeah, to
even have her on and then exceedall expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Well, there is um, um , that older boy that taught me
how to ride bronx, his name's JL.
He was telling me that there'sa girl out of Canada, probably
in her thirties, and like shedirty spurs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Like like better than guys Like she doesn't.
She doesn't like pro road oranything and she's an amateur
gal, I think.
I think she does do someCanadian pro rodeos but from
what I've heard it DirtySpurgeon Like she knifes them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
And I was just like I haven't seen the videos, but
I've heard about this girlseveral times.
Can't just be myth if you'rehearing it from everyone, right,
don't tell that to PETA, yeah.
Especially in Canada.
Man, you know, peyton Pierce,oh, that name sounds so familiar
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Bareback oh yeah, he was down.
Nfr Juniors oh yeah, yeah, yeah, from up here in Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah he was down there at the school and
he was actually in the samehouse as I was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Try to run into him at Cowboy Christmas man you been
.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
No, I haven't been yet.
And so, like a big—and this,this is like, this is this and
this is going to be wild.
A big reason I've never wantedto go to the NFR was because I
wanted my first time to be,because I made it Gotcha.
And then I talked to Tim,talked to Blake, talked to Chase
, talked to Logan, talked to thewhole Champion Living Fitness

(01:08:35):
team and they're like, okay,that's a great deal to have, but
how are you supposed tovisualize anything If you don't
even know what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
it looks like Dude.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
And that was something they worked on with.
Like like we spent two days inthis school strictly book work,
before we even touched anythingBronc riding related.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And it was huge.
Like we went over likemarketing yourself, it went over
like the mental side of it.
We went over visit ourvisualization, yeah, and that
was something I didn't know howto do.
And then, finally, like I I didit for like those four nights
after we talked about the firstday.
Yeah, it was huge and I thoughtit was a bunch of horseshit,

(01:09:16):
yeah, and I talked to pull about.
I was like, is this our paul?
coach paul and I thought it wasa bunch of horse shit.
Yeah, and I talked to pullabout.
I was like, is this our paulcoach paul?
And I was like, is this reallygonna work?
And he's just like, dude, justgive it a try.
Yeah, and I did and and I Iprobably made one of the best
rides.
I I probably made my best rideall year down there at that
school, got on one of pete car'scolts and it was the coolest

(01:09:39):
thing I've ever experienced likeI had hearing chase and hearing
blake and hearing everybodyjust lied up there.
There's nothing like war hoopscoming from the back of the
bucket sheets and you're ridingone like it is the best feeling
of it.
No, no, music practice, pinkind of deal and everyone is
just hyped up for you.
You jump off, take all, takeall your stuff off, you go help
the next guy and you're rightthere doing the same thing for

(01:10:01):
him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
So, NFR, you ain't going to experience it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
No, I think this not this year, but I think next year
after here, and all thatbecause it was kind of late
notice.
Yeah, it was kind of like oneof those deals where I just
moved to where I was, I juststarted a new job.
Sure enough, it's only a driveaway, especially when you're in
Ontario.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Oh yeah, I figured out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
it was only five hours.
I was like man, I'm missing out.
You are man, and so another oneof those goals is to make the
South Point get invited down tothat permit deal.
Okay, like another one of thosegoals is to make the South
Point get invited down to thatpermit deal Okay and get invited
to that permit deal for thePRCA down there at Benny's.

(01:10:49):
Yeah, man, a lot of people thatdeal would be.
That'd probably be anotherpoint of when I know I made it,
it's just like when.
I get the invite to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Benny's Billion Sale to go hop on to the permit
finals.
Really, man, I tell you whatPeople that do that permit.
I'm speaking of one person thatI know in particular.
It's like it's permit, thoughI'm like bro, shut up it's, it's
huge, it's permit, it's permit.
Oh, it's like dude, are youkidding me?
Just enjoy the moment.
He's there every year.
But yeah, it's, it's, it's,it's, it's quite the scenery,

(01:11:17):
it's's quite the life.
Man, I would say marketingyourself.
I would see that experience asa marketing tool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, and I didn't even think about that until you
just said that it's crazy, it iscrazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
So, like me, you know , the most I do is, you know,
talk to rowdy berry do you, yeah, I like, I like, I like rowdy
I'll watch and I'll listen tohim.
I'll talk to him anywhere andeverywhere I go.
Every time I see him I makesure I'm in line just talking to
him.
But he has his own little uhart store there, along with his

(01:11:56):
wife and everything else.
So we'll we'll chat it up, butthen del brisby man, I've been
I've never talked to him inperson.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I've always wondered how it is he's not a jerk dude I
figured he was.
He's not a jerk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I figured he's just the nicest guy ever, bro, and
it's just like, you know, lastyear.
This past year has been acrappy year, but I was going to
have him on earlier of last yearor this year, but dad and my
father-in-law, and then the cword that I'm dealing with now
and and uh, life, yeah, life, Iwould say life.

(01:12:31):
And just talking to him, youknow this, this time around it's
just like bro, he's talkingabout man, I could hook you up
with my BRB.
I'm like what the hell Do youknow who I am?
He doesn't know who I am, butyou know I've been coming in
contact and you know I tried tomake a joke.
Where's that?
I tried to make a joke when Iwas purchasing one of his stuff

(01:12:53):
and then I was like, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Were you down there this year then.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I was down there.
So, I talked to him, but thiswas the year before, so I
thought I'd make a joke of justof like dude, when are you going
to be on my podcast andeverything else?
Because he sells these, I guess,as birthdays.
So I didn't want to do abirthday thing, and he was like

(01:13:16):
Nick, you'll never get thatinterview if you aren't patient
with the busy man orderingonline.
Ordering online a good start,though, and you know don't.
But like, nah, dude, he's, he'sone heck of a guy.
Yeah, check it out, he's a heckof a guy.
And you know, uh, with takingmy wife this past, uh, this last

(01:13:39):
week, she's like see, see,aren't you glad you're talking
to him?
I was like I always talk to him, not even when you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
you know Heard, he used to ride rocks pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Yeah, dude, you see his hands, bro.
His hands are freaking huge.
I don't know Like they're notthe size.
Bare paws huh, I've beenwanting to ask him like man, how
are your hands so damn big?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
It does not fit his body.
I heard he rode bulls and thenI heard he used to ride broncs
and then he got hurt real bad,and that's kind of how Dale
Brisby became.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah, dude, he's quite the gentleman.
And him just talking to youlike a normal person and you
know, taking you in and sayinghe'd do the podcast, I was like
what you know.
So, this year I'll make a runfor it, but no, it's pretty
interesting.
That's the only thing that Imarket myself.
But I don't even go down therewith stickers or saying you know

(01:14:34):
, here's this, here's that.
I just take it in and just knowwhat can happen.
What can come about going tothe NFR experiencing that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I'll definitely be making it to gold next year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Bro, you're walking Cowboy Christmas with the big
dogs, dude, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
With the big names and they're just, they're not.
You know, with this is the onlysport that you don't need
bouncers, or no, you don't needbouncers.
Yeah, yeah, but at the same time, too, it's like all these guys
made themselves like this bythemselves it's like the last,
as when I first started ridingit, somebody was like it's the

(01:15:13):
last blue color sport yeah, and,and and you and you know you're
, you're sport, yeah, and, andyou and you know you're, you're
in the room with 50 000 peopleto.
That convention center is huge.
And then you know they're thebig dogs just shopping along
with their ladies, you know yeahjust doing their thing and
they're gonna be nerve-wrackingsometimes, like I was.
I don't mess with the big.
I don't mess with those guys,though, man.

(01:15:33):
I don't mess with those guysthough man.
I don't mess with them becauseI know for a fact that they're
waiting for that money later on,yeah, and I find it like
they're getting harassed, youknow, just selling themselves
and autographs and stuff.
But no, it's quite theexperience, man, and the after
hours, the after hours.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I can only imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Nothing like hanging out in Vegas with like
like-minded people.
You know what I mean yeah, nofor sure.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I can only imagine one cycle.
There's that many cowboys invegas right trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
I can, and it's tough to find a place to stay.
I mean, it's just non-stop,just wackiness, wildness,
cowboys, cowgirls, just having agood old time.
Alright, man, when you travel,do you eat a lot of peanut
butter jelly sandwiches?
What's your diet like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
no, I'm kind of like you said that older guy I try to
keep everything relativelyconsistently healthy.
Yeah, are you clean?
Try to keep everythingrelatively like, consistently
healthy, like, yeah, like, Imean clean.
Try to Like.
I like, like if we're on apretty long like if we're on the
fourth run, like I'm going towant to stop like at least four

(01:16:48):
times, like five times, and eatlike a legitimate meal somewhere
where we can sit down and BSand then stop at somebody's
house.
Or, even better, if we couldstop at one of my buddy's houses
and let's go to the store andgrab something to make, or his
mom or his wife will be thereand we'll stop in and you have
time for that.

(01:17:08):
Try to, Try to, and that's thebig thing.
It's just like anybody thatknows me, they're going to be
like man that motherfucker candrive.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Yeah, well, you drove here.
Oh yeah, I like driving and I'mlike are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
oh, yeah, no, and they'll be like that.
Like I drove, I drove, we left.
We left lapine heading to bigfork.
We pulled into court lane atlike 6 am and I was like we can
keep going or you guys want to,you guys want to grab a shower
and eat some food.
So we walked in and his wifewas up.
Dave Paul, he's one of the headguys at the Gem State Stampede

(01:17:42):
up in Coeur d'Alene and I'mreally good friends with him and
I just gave him a call.
I'm like hey, man, we're in thedriveway and he's like perfect,
come on in.
I got coffee and there's a hotshower downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
That's life right there.
But still, man, you're on theroad too many times and I don't
know how you find time to cook,so what's your go-to, though?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
what's your go-to food?
Like go-to, yeah, like, I wouldprobably like.
Like, if, like, if we havelimited time, I would try and
find a subway anyway subway yeahbut then it's like seven
o'clock and like we're leavingthe rodeo and it hits 8.
And I haven't eaten anything andI just had a Red Bull.
All right, we'll stop atWendy's or Carl's Jr's and get

(01:18:26):
the calories in.
It won't be the best, but thenin the morning I try to balance
it out like protein shakes kindof.
And that's another thing.
I started that champion livingdeal and um this last spring and
um started putting on weightagain finally, and um started

(01:18:49):
giving me workouts to do, likejust in the truck.
Like if we have like an extraday, like one of my buddies know
, like if we have a daysomewhere, an extra day, I will
find water in the middle ofsummer.
I'm like, hey, we're going to alake.
I don't really care where we'regoing.
If we're in five hours drivingdistance and there ain't no lake
around, we're going to thatlake.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
To swim.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Yeah, swim, hang out Like I was soared up, I had
broken ribs, I was limping onone knee and we there in Big
Four, the water is so cold.
But it was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I could have stayed there all day long.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Where do you think you will find home?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I've been asking myself that question quite a bit
Like a good example right now.
Kind of some stuff's beencoming up at home and dad's
getting older, mom's gettingolder and started realizing the
other brothers are kind of olderbrothers, kind of off doing his
own shit and no one's reallystarting to look after the

(01:19:48):
parents and stuff.
And so it's kind of I don'tknow.
That protective side of me haskind of wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Kind of wanted to kind of get closer, because I'm
in Idaho now and it's like sixhours, which isn't crazy, but at
the same time like I'd gottensome news that everybody else
knew about.
And then I came home forThanksgiving and you've just
found out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah, and I was just like what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, and I was like that's sick Right and um, and so
I don't know, I might go tocentral oregon for a bit, like
ideally, like I don't know, I'vealways liked new mexico, yeah,
yeah, I like.
I like how it can be warm stillcan hunt elk, okay, like gotcha
rodeo.
Otherwise not the best, yeah,but like, even like texas,

(01:20:31):
somewhere with pine trees, Iwould say why don't you just go
to arizona?
they got it arizona's not badthey got it I do like arizona
they got everything there, man a.
Arizona's not bad.
They got it.
I do like Arizona.
They got everything there man.
Arizona's not bad.
I haven't been down there in acouple years.
I'm hoping to get down therethis year too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
I've got lots of plans to go a lot of places.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
So you know, I think we made Find me a sugar mama.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Hopefully you got the best bang for your buck.
You know right, hopefully yougot the best bang for your buck.
You know right, right and well,driving here and talking and
everything else, but uh, whatwas I gonna say?
Um, it exceed all expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
This, this episode so far oh yeah, no, it's, it's,
it's been good, it's, Idefinitely.
It helps me realize a lot ofstuff too.
It helps me bring clarity.
It helps me when you have totalk about your goals and about
where you're at and you get tohear how other people look in on
how you're doing and stuff.
It helps bring clarity tocertain things.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I would definitely say it helps you get a positive
step towards if you're ever in aslump or having that anxious
side of things like I wastalking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I got you Remember.
Now, uh, when are we going toknow your schedule, man?

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
um, I'm hoping you know your schedule there's so
much going on right now, it's um, I'm hope so.
Like a lot of times, like likeon instagram, I'll usually be
pretty good about putting mystuff out how, how far in
advance though.
During, during, like wheneverything's going pretty hard.

(01:22:03):
I usually like about a week,week and a half.
Week, week and a half Two weekswhen I was like I'll see the
rodeos open.
Like for us and I think aboutpro rodeos is they all pop up on
the app and you can enter them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
And then they'll get like you can like.
I'll write down every rodeoI've entered, yeah, and then
I'll post that, okay, and then,like, maybe like the next day or
two days after everything'sclosed and I figure out if I
made it into that, okay, I'llupdate and edit that whole thing
of which ones I actually madeit into and then I'll find those
filler rodeos, all right andwhen is the next uh college
rodeo for you um, next collegerodeo, I believe, is going to be
in, I think, february.

(01:22:45):
Well, we head to Big Fork, ornot Big Fork.
We head to Montana to go downPowder River stuff in February
and then March and I think thatone's going to be at Hermiston,
either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Hermiston.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Okay, either Hermiston or Ontario, all right,
I still haven't.
Like that's the only bad thingabout joining up in school as
late as I did.
Like I'm still out of the loopon everything.
Everybody had these calendarsand everything.
I was just like there's acalendar.
I was like there's a group chat, yeah.
I just found out, there's agroup chat like a week ago, what
I'm group me or something likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yeah, I was just like , well, I was like well, there's
new.
Like I was, wondering why Iwasn't getting updates about
anything it was pretty.
It's pretty cool to know thatsomeone your age, the wise old
man, goes back to college andand it was makes a name for
himself there.
But dude, that's a PRCA.
It's wild to know you're notgoing back, You're just taking a

(01:23:43):
step back, kind of, but justenjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Taking a step back to go up.
Go up, Go up rather.
And that was where I feel like Iwas lacking, because I bridged
the gap in between like amateursand pro rodeo, yeah, but
somewhere in the middle I wasgetting lost and I couldn't
quite make that mark.
And so I was like, all right,like I needed that extra gear,

(01:24:08):
and I like, all right, I takethat step back just a little bit
, humble yourself, go back toschool and I never really wanted
to go to school, but yeah, hereI am sound like Wiley.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Oh yeah, wiley said he sucked at school I hate
school.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I hated school with passion and uh, and then finally
it was just like all right,we'll take that step back and
we'll reprioritize everythingwhere?

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
what do you uh?
What are you learning?
Welding well, well hey, that'shey, that's the best way to do
it well and like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
that's already what I was doing for work already, and
it made it worth it.
There's a few things that Ineed to work on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
You probably didn't know about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Now you do Yep, and then it was just like if you
guys can help me get some certsthrough the college, it'd be
pretty cool.
And they're doing it.
There's one that they're pretty.
They don't know if they havethe right quality of personnel
to do it, but it's kind of beena plan in motion that I've been
trying to get them to kind ofget behind.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Last question, rodeo-wise, especially college
rodeo when you guys travel, doyou guys travel in separate
vehicles, do you guys travel ona charter bus?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Like how does it go, man, man, I've always wanted to
know, so like that was somethingtoo that I was kind of okay
wondering like it was well, Ididn't know anything about it.
And then, and then, like wewent to susanville and we all,
just there's like six of usgonna pick up, yeah four horses
four horses in the back, I thinkwe had three bronc saddles and
a bunch of ropes, a couple oftie dummies and we're stacked

(01:25:43):
jam-packed in this eight-hourdrive to susanville, california
crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I'm just stopped that does humble you, that does make
you hungry for more.
Yeah, for better too, yeah itmakes it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It's just like one of those deals and you figure out
right quick you get along withand who you don't yeah, yeah,
you get four hours in and youwant that little bit of leg room
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
And you're fighting for it and someone gets a little
bent out of shape becauseyou're in your space man.
Other than that, it's not toobad.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Okay, besides Wiley and you, who's the next guy to
look out for Horrible Lady andon the team?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
What event.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Any of them, I'd probably like I don't want to
sound like that guy, but likeCase, the kid that I traveled
with all summer, okay, theamount of potential he has and
if he listens to this or notlike like the kid that I met
when I first started out, versuswho I met then, from what I've
heard from his parents and whatpeople have told me, it's just
like I've gotten to open upquite a bit nice and wise old

(01:26:48):
man and I'm just trying to gethim to go to the gym with me.
but that kid has so much goingfor him and the sooner he can
come back down and be calm abouteverything and let stuff go,
he's going to skyrocket like noother.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
All right, All right, man Well, got anything to add?
Did I miss anything?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
No, I think that covered it.
That was cool.
It's been pretty cool talkingabout all that stuff.
I've never, never really hadanybody kind of ask about any of
it, like everyone just kind ofa lot of people kind of know me
now, but not a lot of peopleknow like the backstory of
everything and how it came to be.
Like yeah, everyone's just likewe're just getting there.
You look at me, like you likeyou think now, like if you saw

(01:27:38):
me out of the crowd like okay,that guy probably rodeos and
he's been rodeoing for a whileyeah and then you talk to
somebody that actually knowslike no, he picked up a bronx
out like four years ago right,that's yeah, yeah, no, it's,
it's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
It's a pretty cool gig, man, it's pretty cool gig
and that's what I like, becauseI know, like a lot of people,
they even ask us runners.
You know, they get the crazyguys that run multiple days or
do mountains.
They're like dude, why do youdo what you do?
There's always a reason, and so, uh, you know I took that and
with the rodeo guys and it man.
It goes hand in hand.

(01:28:07):
You know, both crazy.
But people say that I do crazythings.
I do, but I don't have ananimal in front of me or
underneath me or beside me.
You guys have something morethan I do.
But yeah, it goes hand in hand.
The more you look at it, themore you see it and learn it.
We both go hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
So it's just kind of there was something that I was
going to say.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
It was um it was that bubble sticker.
Yeah, for sure say it was um.
It was that bubble sticker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yeah, for sure.
No, it was um, like it can lookcrazy from the inside, from the
outside, but once you get intothe fine tuning and the woodwork
of everything, it's like a verystrategic puzzle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Yeah, yeah, wise old man, you know what you know here
, here, here we are.
I'm going to say dude, you know.
Instead of dude you know what,instead of having something like
your name on there, I'm justgoing to put wise old man, are
you okay with that?
Yeah, no, that's fine Not oldman, but old, old, wise old man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I don't know.
I try to help someone listen tostuff.
I say I can see it and thenhelp somebody that's in a
situation that's like I've beenin, like before, and maybe give
somebody some insight onsomething.
I've been there where if youfeel lost and you don't know,
what to do and like you need to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I got you you got crossroads.
Yeah, you got crossroads, yeah,yeah.
And when I said that you andGreenup had that thing in your
eye, when I saw you guys andtalked to you in Kennewick, man,
I meant it dude, you guys are adifferent breed and you guys
stick out.
For the rest, keep doing whatyou're doing, man.

(01:29:53):
Seriously, keep doing whatyou're doing.
There's this fire in you that II see it.
I don't know if you guys see it, but talking to you is just a
lot different than talking tosomebody else that I've been,
you know, that I've talked to inthe past and I'm just like dude
, you guys understand, likewhere you're at what you're
doing.
Like, do you?

(01:30:13):
I know you're not you're notreally looking at me right now,
but, but it's true, man, youguys have it, do you believe it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah, that's the half the battle, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Yeah, so until next time, until next time.
Mike Reed.
Thank you so much, man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Thank you for having me.
It was a blast.
It was freaking badass.
I'm out of here.

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