Stephanie Inslee: Defying Limits in Running and Life

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Stephanie Ensley how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I am good, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Pretty good.
It's great to have you here Oneof the Insleys anyways because
you know, normally when there'sone Inslee there's another, but
in this case the other Inslee issomewhere else he's actually
working.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, that we did do our lunch run, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Good, you guys get that in.
You guys have to get those runsin.
And when I, when I'm out thereand I run into you guys, you
guys are out there.
You know, when I'm out there,you guys are there.
It's weird.
It's like I can always, youknow, count on seeing you two on
the trail.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Not so much on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I started on road, but once.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I got into trail.
It's hard to go back to road,yeah, but you went on road the
other day and you conquered it.
Congrats by the way.
First in your age group.
Man it's like almost first inthe whole damn race.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I know Well it's like I was like I really want a
place in my age group and I wasworried.
And I'm the kind of person wholooks at the past results
because I'm very competitive.
And if I say to myself I got aplace in my age group, I know
I'm going to, because I've toldmyself I have to, there's

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something with me if I tellmyself in my head I, I have to
do it.
Yeah, it's weird.
So I knew I was gonna place inmy age group.
I didn't know I was gonna placeoverall, you know well, yeah
that kind of shocked me.
And when I came around thecorner and the lady's like your
first female, I was like no way.
You know, like I couldn'tbelieve it and I kept like kind

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of looking behind me to see,like I said, I'm super
competitive and yeah, it kind ofit kind of shocked me.
I didn't think I was going toget first overall, but yeah, and
it was what?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
34?
And you're with the, the eliterunners, the male runners,
because a lot of the boys thereare college and high school.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, they were all like and you know what the best
thing and I said this to Chuckthe coolest thing was I went
through the finish line and oneof those like 17, 8-year-old
guys.
He high-fived me as I cameacross.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I thought that was so cool, because here I am
50-year-old woman and I get ahigh five from a team Like he
knew, like dude you're keepingup with us and I was like that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, A lot of the local runners, especially the
road runners.
Road races are ran by localcross-country kids.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
That's the number one reason why I don't run local,
just because it'd be like oh, Ibeat your coach and I mean you
know it's from another team.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
My guys, they don't do that stuff.
See one of my.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I coach track and one of so this one of the girls
that I was running up front withwas one of my girls that I
coached for track Okay so, trackokay so.
Um, you understand?
Yeah, what team so I?
I coach at libby middle schooland I coach.
I did everything.
I started.
They put me on hurdles.
Yeah, do nothing about that andI learned that quick.

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I learned high jump, um, but mylove is distance, so I ended up
finally getting my distanceafter doing every other part
except long jump okay and discus, because I I don't know
anything about yeah, yeah so nowI do the, but I see all my kids
at a lot of these fast racesthat are a couple miles.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
They'll be there and stuff and and uh yeah, I get a
lot of your kids that come fromlibby to yes, that's true, yeah
yeah, good times.
So that's good.
That's good to know that I havesomebody in Libby.
Yeah, libby's, real quickLibby's.
I guess distance program ismore elite than any other middle

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school program in the district.
I know there's a couple Kenwickones that float into Kamiakon.
They're elite but you guys areelite in Richland and that's
pretty cool to know and see.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
We have a good team.
We have a good, we have a goodcrew of coaches there too that
have experience and they're.
They're actually really like.
I feel like they're more of ahigh school level at middle
school.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like they're pushing them to a different level
because middle school, you knowit's.
It's like some kids have neverran before, but you get a lot of
them that have, and some ofthem are just absolutely every
year.
There's a couple that I'm likeoh my God, this person might
make it to the Olympics one day,and if they do, that'd be so
cool.
You always think like that.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Would I coach somebody who would end up in the
Olympics, and it's definitelythey stick out a lot different
than the other middle school.
You know they're more puttogether, they're more confident
.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They listen.
They follow everything theywant to.
They want to do it.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
They're hungry.
Yeah, that's the word, and yousee it.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yep, and then you feed them, and then you're like
okay.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
So shout out to Libby's team and shout out to
you coach.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's cool, I didn't know that you were a coach out
there, now I know.
Now I know why it's puttogether.
I coach soccer, too, atEnterprise, and then I coach I'm
a dance coach now too.
Yeah, yeah, you were talkingabout dance, so I want to talk
about that you know.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So are you a dancer yourself, or were, or what?
How did that come?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
about I'm.
Actually I used to be a figureskater, yeah.
So I really love figure skatingand I did ballet, so I and I do
yoga and Pilates, so when you,you have that gracefulness and
stuff.
I've I've always danced but,like you know, in my twenties I
would go out and dance for hoursand hours and hours.
Uh, my mom loved dancing, soit's kind kind of like I've

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always kind of done it, but itkind of fell to the wayside for
a long time.
But when they offered me theposition, I was like I don't
know how to choreograph, youknow, but I think it's just
something that it's like ridinga bike.
It kind of comes back If you'vegot it.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You kind of got it, you know, and it's kind of like
muscle memory.
Yeah, when you're injured, yougo back.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
But there's a little thing like up here, mentally Not
the same, but it does turn upto be kind of up to par, but not
really, you know.
But that's what you're saying,yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean I, I we learned it pretty quick and we
had again we're lucky enough toat our school have, uh, dancers
who have experience, we havegymnasts.
So I like to be different.
I don't like, I'm not the kindof person who likes to follow
anything.
So our routine this year wasthe complete.
It was so different thaneverybody else's routine and it

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really stuck out and it wasreally cool.
So I like to Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And they allowed you to do that.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, they give me good flexibility with it and I
mean I have to be careful withcertain things.
Like I had to learn how to mixmusic, take words out of music
and stuff like that.
So I figured how to do themusic part of it.
Then we had to get thechoreography and then you're
like okay, is this acceptable?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
acceptable so it's learning, it's a learning thing
over the years.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But and it's fun I I don't know.
I love, love coaching, but thatcomes back to like I love
helping people, like I've alwaysbeen like that like my job in
the past.
Um, I was a nutritionist at afitness center in Arizona and it

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was like my dream job andbasically I was the nutrition
supervisor.
I had two girls who worked withme and we worked in a women's
fitness center and we had anutrition department, which you
don't really see nowadays like aseparate nutrition department,
and I helped many, many womenlose weight and get in shape and
get off medication and do allthat, and I did that for a long

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time, so I was always.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It just makes me I'd love to do things to make people
yeah, better, you know, likehelping, like that, and do you
still do that or do you just?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I don't.
And what happened, was it?
I have a very hard time withthe people who have an excuse
Gotcha.
So what happens is, after doingit for so many years, it kind
of gets like you have the peoplewho are hungry, yeah, you feed
them all the information andthey are successful, and then
you have a whole bunch of themmore percent that have a lot of

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excuses, and after a long timeit gets very frustrating.
So it got to the point where Idecided to focus on myself and
use all my knowledge for me tomake me better, instead of
trying to make everybody elsebetter.
So I kind of took it and rolledwith it, got away from that and
just used it all on me andstarted my journey.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Okay, and Jack of all trades right.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean I've got the nutrition background I went
to college for that and then Ihave the fitness background, so
I feel like having both of thosehelps tremendously with my
running.
I feel like I have all thetools.
Yes you do, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And you have the best sidekick that anybody can ask
for.
Yes, you do, you know.
And you have the best sidekickthat anybody can ask for Both of
you guys.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, we feed off each other.
We're both very, verycompetitive people and we're
both very strong-minded people.
So, like if he tells me, likeyesterday, he's like we're going
to McBee and we're going to do12 miles, and I'm like in my

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head, I'm like I don't want todo that, yeah, and he's like,
and then we go to sleep and wewake up and I have a million
reasons why I don't want to dothat and it's foggy and it's
cold and it's rainy.
And he just is like all right,you ready.
And I'm like you know, and Iand I get ready and stuff.
And then, once I start climbingup there, I'm like I start to
get that energy going and thenI'm like, okay, okay, this is
good and that's and I know that,I know it sucks in the
beginning and you know I'm notthe kind of person like people

(10:12):
think I just wake up and like,oh, let's go run, this is great,
no I have to, like, talk myselfout the door.
It's not easy.
It's not like I want to go out,you know, but once I get out
there, I could stay out thereforever.
And I know that, like you giveme three miles, like Chuck
always says, you'll say five,but I know it's going to be ten,
because once I start going, Icould go forever.

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Okay, but getting out the doorit's not easy.
Okay, it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So for the longest time when I did, you know Badger
and other trail races thataren't out and backs, I always
saw your guys' name and when Isaw Chuck I always saw Stephanie
or Stephanie's there, I seeChuck and everything else vice
versa.
But lately I've been seeing youguys and one of you guys are

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running one distance andsupporting the other that goes
longer and I think that's thecoolest thing.
It's like I'm jealous when I'vebeen running into you guys
outside of town for like hamster.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, I say it, hamster.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And to know that you're going for 100 and Chuck
was going for what?
24 hour right?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You were 32.
No, he did the 12.
The 12.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, he stood back and he crewed you and made sure
you were taken care of.
Kind of a jealous thing.
But is it tough for you guys todo that?
No, not at all.
No, how did you guys managethat?
Because normally you guys didthe same distances for the
longest time.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
And now, all of a sudden, sudden, you know he's
crewing you.
You're crewing him.
I haven't seen you crew him.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, um we've talked about it for his uh badger
mountain hundred coming up butI'm actually crewing another
friend for the hundred.
So I'm giving, I'm not gonnarun it this year, which I'm
having a little bit of FOMOabout that because I want to do
the hundred and I'm like gosh.
But at the same time I want herto succeed because she's hasn't.

(12:11):
See, I have my group of girlsand every you know we're all
getting that hundred and she'snext and I'm like, if I, I know
pacing her that last 20 miles,I'm not going to let her like,
I'll be, you know, I know she'sgoing to finish.

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So it's like, okay, I'm goingto give it up, I'll meet her and
I'll crew her back.
So he has a crew going back,which he really doesn't need
anyway, cause he's fine on hisown.
But yeah, for hamster it waslike it was kind of weird
because he knows he shouldn'thave done the 12.
He was a we joke.
He was a horrible, horriblecrew person and pacer because he
was hurting so bad from comingoff cascade crest yeah, I don't

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know how he did it.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's what I was talking to.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, no, he, he actually bailed on me, yeah, and
he's like I got, I feelnauseous, I gotta go to sleep, I
can't go, and I had to go outby myself in the dark, miserable
and like I feel.
Like, in a way, I kind of amproud of myself because, like he
even says, because I did kindof do it on my own.
Because he wasn't there thewhole time because he was
hurting so bad and he's like Ishouldn't have ran the 12.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, but for him to do that, though, even be out
there for you, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
He's that kind of person, though.
He's my rock.
He, yeah, yeah and he, he'sthat kind of person, though he's
my rock.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
He'd always do that.
You guys are funny to watch ina good way, because you know
it's if it's you, there's a him,if there's a him, there's a you
, you know.
And then there's nothing aroundit and like you don't see that
in my family, you know my wife'snot out there, you know she
doesn't even tend my races.
I just go by myself, you know,and so like to see you guys on
there.
I don't want to say it, butit's cute, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's cute, alright, and it's cool.
Don't worry, we have bickerruns where we will just bicker
back and forth for like 10, 20miles.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I never see it.
It's like you, it's stupid,stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
because when you're with somebody for so long, they
stupid stuff, because whenyou're with somebody for so long
, they're going to irritate you.
But it's funny because thenwhen we're done with the run,
it's all done.
Yeah, it's the weirdest thing,yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But you guys always have a smile on your face, even
if you are bickering, and it'sonly you two and I, you know,
come across you guys, you guysalways have a smile on your face
.
You full of life.
It just feels good to know thatthe Ansleys if you run into the
Ansleys, they're going to smile, they're going to have a

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conversation and you guys aregoing to have a good time until
you guys split up, you know.
So it's pretty cool.
So who's the best runner?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh, it's, definitely me.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I've been running.
My whole life.
I've been running I so I grewup with a very fit family.
My parents played tennis.
I was a tennis player.
I did figure skating, I didgymnastics.
I did everything.
I was a gym rat.
I love lifting.
I did all of that.
I hated running, though,believe it or not, In college I
would play racquetball.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I would do the.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Stairmaster, but you would never find me running.
It was when I moved to Arizonathat I started running, because
the weather is so freakinggorgeous.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
So, that's when my running journey began you know,
were you north or whereeverybody else lived?
It was Phoenix area, yeah,where everybody else lived.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, I'm from New York and once I went out to
Arizona I was like I'm not goingback to New York, I love it out
here and I loved Arizona.
So I would run.
You know, I started, I think,at three miles a day, arizona.
So I would run.
You know, I started, I think,at three miles a day.
But I was working at a fitnesscenter.
So I'd wake up at five in themorning, I'd go open at the
fitness center, I'd go teachlike three classes, then I'd go
home and then I'd run like fivemiles and then I'd go back at

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night and teach a few moreclasses and it was like it was.
My twenties was like constantmovement and you should.
My dad's like 70 somethingyears old and I always say to
myself I get this from you.
He can't sit still.
He's retired but he still worksfull time.
It's like always fidgeting andso it's kind of good, it's kind
of bad.

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I have a hard time resting andthat's my probably.
I'm learning that I have totake breaks and rest and stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
But yeah, I've been running forever he hasn't he
started running in 2017 really,oh, yeah, you know that, those,
those guys that started eitherright before covid, during covid
yeah, they're quite the runners, though you know.
So I got, yeah, I don't know.

(16:22):
There there's some the group ofguys that I've interviewed that
started before COVID and duringCOVID.
You can't take anything awayfrom them.
They bring it.
That group of guys, girls thatstarted around that time.
They're just a different breed.
I don't know, I don't know why,but people that started in 2007
, people that started in, youknow, 2007 or early on, you know

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they've been there, done that,but that group set aside, you
know, like Matt Shepard Shepardstarted, you know what I mean,
yeah, and then you know MikeMcKnight.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's crazy, I know, and they're like amazing yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
They get three years in and they're freaking.
You know sponsored and dominantit.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
You're freaking you know, sponsored and dominant.
It's nuts yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So that's what I'm saying Don't take too much away
from Chug, because I don't knowman.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, he's good.
He's good, oh yeah.
But I also like the nutrition.
I've worked with him with a lot.
We've changed his diet a lot sohe lost a good like 30 pounds,
believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Really yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Okay, a lot.
So he he lost a good like 30pounds.
Believe it or not?
Really, yeah, so his nutritionis I had a good amount to do
with that you know, with mynutrition background and that's
the thing is.
I believe that, like withrunning, like rest, sleep is
huge.
It's so important.
Yeah, yeah, nutrition's huge,and then having and then having
the strength training, yoga,stretching, that background is

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huge, like the recovery is justas important.
It's like my running is my life.
Yeah, yeah yeah, and it has liketo be able to do it every
single day, consistently.
You have do it everything right.
Yeah, you know what I mean andI'm very disciplined with that,
so that it's just like it's.

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It's like we were running todayand we talked about it like
it's.
It's just like brushing yourteeth to us, like you have to do
it.
It's just something you do.
It's not like we don't reallyhave a why.
It's just you just do it.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So every day you run, yeah, okay, every day.
How many miles at least do youhave to have, like mentally you?
Have to have Mentally you haveto have At least six At least
six, I like eight.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Ten is my happy place .
Okay, but it depends.
Trails, when you're in nature,and beauty, yeah it's.
I could go forever.
The road kind of gets boringquick to me unless I have a
purpose.
Like if I'm going for speedwork, if I'm doing intervals,
like every run I have has apurpose.
So if I'm going for like myintervals or my speed, I love

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the track.
Believe it not.
I love doing a workout on thetrack.
But if I'm just cruising thetrails, then I could go a lot
further.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
How do you have time to do everything you do?
Even you said rest isn't key.
Yeah, when do you rest?
When I sit on the couch rightbefore I go to bed.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't see this thing.
I don't physically sit until.
I probably sit at 8 o'clock 8o'clock.
I won't sit before that.
There's no time before thatthat.
I sit down and I'm talking likeeven to eat I don't sit, it's

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weird.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Are you quite regiment on your daily
activities?
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's not like I'm strict or have like that's the
thing about me.
Like I'm a very like eat, likespontaneous, like I don't follow
plans.
I don't have a training plan.
I never did.
I don't follow a plan I didn'tfollow a plan for my hundred
miler, yeah.
I don't follow a plan.
I didn't follow a plan for my100 miler.
It just comes naturally becauseof what you've.
Yeah, I don't follow a 50 mileplan like I don't follow, I
don't do, I don't do structure.

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Structure makes me miserablegotcha.
It makes me feel like it's ajob and I hate it.
I like to do what my body wantsto do, what my mind wants to do
, and as long as I listen to mymind and my body, I'm fine.
So I'm very in tune witheverything you know, is that how
okay?

Speaker 1 (20:31):
One of the things I noticed, especially during your
races you are a rare breed whenit comes to doing 100 miles one
month and then doing a 5K thenext year you know, like just
recently and not a lot of peopledo that and you know I give
high praise to people that dothat.

(20:52):
So because of your scheduling,because how you do things, the
non-structured do you think itcomes easy for you to do what
you do and what you did justrecently?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, cause it's like my mind like I'll be, like I'll
do the long distance, and thenI'm like this is kind of getting
boring, I'm going to trysomething new.
And then I'm like, ah, let's gofor a 5k really fast, let's
change it up, let's make itexciting again.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah.
So I always like, like tochange my goals around you know,
and it around you know, andit's like I want to do uh, you
know, I want a pr of 5k, let'swork on that.
And then it's like I don't know, I just don't for your age, man
.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying it's like I'm like
I'm, I want to like do somethingcool yeah, yeah and that's
where, like I don't know, I havelike I feel like, um, it's hard
for me like to explain myself,because I feel like I'm very
like I'm not religious, but I'mspiritual, which and I'm very

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like I don't know.
It's like when I do stuff, it'slike I'm always like can I do
this?
I think I can, and it's likelet's try it.
Like I have like that you onlylive once mentality and let's
just every day is a newopportunity and like I'm just

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always so super grateful, Likeit's funny Cause I'll wake up in
the morning and I'm like, yay,I woke up today.
I'm here.
What can I do?
Like I'm just so like I don'tknow what the word is, but just
grateful to like this is my lifeand you only have one and you
don't know how long you're goingto be here, and I just want to
do awesome things.
And I don't give a crap aboutwhat other people think of me.

(22:36):
I'm not trying to be famous.
I don't need to be an Instagramperson.
I don't.
That's not important to me.
What's important to me is justto live.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
You know what I mean, I want to do cool stuff and I
just want to be proud of me.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, there's a lot of people out there that look up
to you, believe it or not, see,and I don't even think that way
, like it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean, I don't know, I'm just a normal person, it's
just are you, though, are you?
I just love?
I love doing stuff, and I'mvery fortunate that I have time
to do it, because it does take alot of time.
It's a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
So when you go from 5k to a hundred mile or to 50
mile to 50 K, and it's you know,two weeks or a couple of weeks,
do you sit back and own, letlet's say, the 5k?
Do you go to 5k training rightthere, right then and there, or
do you keep the same trainingyou have been throughout the

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year?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
honestly, I just wake up and like whatever I like.
What do I feel like doing today?
Like it's just, it's reallyrandom.
I'm so random Like there's.
No, I don't have any kind oflike today.
I was like let's go to thetrack and do some speed work.
And he's like you probably don'tknow how to do speed work
because you just did a fast 5Kand then we just did McBee for

(24:00):
12 miles and I'm like, yeah, butmy legs are saying I should do
speed work and I know I can ifmy legs are saying that he
didn't want to.
So we ended up just cruising.
But I knew I needed to do roadbecause my knees were a little
achy and I was like I had afriend text me.
I have the best friends andthat's the thing is.
My rule is always hang out withpeople who inspire you,

(24:23):
motivate you and make you wantto be better.
Always and I tell my kids thisHang out with the doers, the
successful ones, the ones whohave drive.
Don't hang out with people withexcuses I can't do excuses.
Don't hang out with people whoare lazy.
Don't do that.
It's just going to drag youdown.
So find those people who youlook up to and aspire to do
better for you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, people who you look up to and aspire to do
better for you like use what youlearn from these people.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Don't be jealous of thesepeople.
Learn from them take it in andgo, you know I got so I don't
know, I don't really have, likeright now, I think, our next
race.
What do we have?
Oh, I wanted to do the uhrichland run fest yeah, I want
to try everywhere, right, yeah,I think I want a 5k and I want

(25:10):
to try to get on in a six in thesix minute mile okay, so with
that from now till then yeah,are you going to strictly work
on getting that six minute see?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
no, okay, no that's what I'm asking.
So what you're going to do iscontinue on what you've done.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Continue what I do, okay.
Not a lot of people do that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, I know Not a lot of people do that, I find
myself strange for that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
But it works for me.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
But yeah, it think if you didspecify and work solely on speed
, getting that six minute do youthink you would be confidently
better?
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I think that if I specifically like we've
talked about this and I talkabout qualifying for boston and
everything, and it would be cooland I don't love the marathons-
that's my, I'd rather run a 50Kthan a marathon.
But I feel like if I reallytrained for a marathon, I could
do a really good marathon.
But do I want to?

(26:14):
No, because then it would getboring.
It's structure, it's routine,it's work, it's not fun anymore.
And then all of a sudden Idon't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
So basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, because I mean more and then all of a sudden I
don't want to do so.
Basically, if it ain't broke,don't fix it.
Yeah, because I mean I plan ongoing from the richland run fest
pacing a friend and then I'mgoing to do a 50 miler at
ancient lakes and then I'm goingto go straight to my 100 miler
for strawberry fields.
Yeah, that's the one that's my,that's my big ticket for that.
I tried to.
I I said I think I only want todo a hundred a year.
I don't want to do more thanthat because it's very hard on
your body.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was like, but I want to do strawberry fields and
this is the thing, I know I'mgoing to do it because I want it
so bad.
Yeah, yeah, I'll do it.
Okay, you know what I mean?
Like, I just know it's weird.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, it's not weird.
You got it.
You got what it takes, you haveit.
You know, you have a husbandwho supports you every step of
the way and you know, and everytime I see you out there, you
have that mindset like I'm goingto kick its ass yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool to watch andknow that you know you.

(27:21):
Just you are who you are, butman, you're freaking badass at
it.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Thank you.
I mean it's weird, because likeI said, I don't feel that way.
Like I said, I just do my thing, is all I do.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
But you're good at it and the thing is is that you
can be greater if you took thetime, like we do with our kids.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Train that way and I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I know I always thought if I had like, if I paid
for a coach or something but Iwouldn't follow it I drive the
coach crazy because they'd belike.
You're not doing what I toldyou you should do.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
And I'm not believe it or not.
Like I'm not a run streaker.
Chuck's trying to do a wholemonth of running every single
day.
He's like I'm going to runstreak for a month.
I'm like that's cool, honey,enjoy that.
But I don't do that.
I just like I'll take a day offif I need a day off.
I just I really I'm so like intune with how I feel in my body

(28:18):
and like it goes back to likeI'm very holistic and like
everything.
Like I actually went to schoolfor nutrition but I really
wanted to be a naturopath doctor.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
So, like for me, finding natural ways of, like,
keeping things anti-inflammatoryand being able to, you know,
keep my muscles strong, and it'slike I just practice all of
those things on a daily basis,which I think makes me able to
also do what I'm doing andrecover the way I recover you

(28:48):
know when was the last injury.
I had such a bad and I'velearned over the years from all
these injuries I've had.
There's been so many, so many.
The last one I had was my back.
I always have issues with mylower back and we were going up
McBee and doing repeats and itwas the second time up and it

(29:09):
was after my 100 miler and Ididn't.
I took maybe one day off, yeah,stupid yeah, but again I felt
fine and then I was like I feelfine, you know, but my body
decided no, you're not fine.
So I went to go back up againand I seriously just took one
step and my lower back justspasmed.
Really bad and like I couldn'twalk for a week, like I walk

(29:31):
like a 90 year old, like I washunched over.
I was in so much pain, it wasreally bad.
I went to chiropractors everyday, massage, I did the tens
machine, I did everythingAnti-inflammatory I, believe it
or not, did not take any Advilat all.
I dealt with the pain, I waslike I don't like taking stuff
like that, so I was just like Iwas like I'm just going to deal

(29:53):
with this pain and it'll passeventually.
And it took about a week andthen every like three weeks it
would happen again and this wenton.
I run through every injury, bythe way, I don't stop, I'll run
through it.
So I run even though I'minjured, which is stupid also,

(30:16):
but that's the way I am, becauseI just do that.
But it goes away eventually,and six months if it's really
bad.
Another one is on Ancient Lakes.
It was right after the BadgerMountain Challenge I had.
The whole bottom of my foot wasblack like black.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
And I don't know if I stress fractured something.
I don't know what happened, butI couldn't even walk on it.
But I wanted to do AncientLakes anyway.
So every loop I did I'd have tocome in.
I was in so much pain I'd haveto take off my shoe and sit
there for a good 10 minutes tolet all the pain go away, put my
shoe back on and then go to thenext loop.

(30:52):
And then I didn't take anyAdvil, nothing like that.
I just dealt with it.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Put everybody to shame that hurt.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
so that was the most painful run I've ever did.
That was the 50K.
It hurt so bad I was like, whyam I doing this?
But again, when I tell myselfI'm going to do it, I can't not.
Did you ever figure out what?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
happened.
No, it just kind of went away.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I get phantom pains once in a while like you're not
crazy but you're freaking nuts,that would put it was bad.
That one was really bad.
I probably should have gottenlike an mri or something, but I
don't want to pay for that, so Ididn't all right.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Well, you're making me feel like I'm just a puss,
but no, when I did a hamster, Itore my planner I was running on
that and I was like yeah, sowhen hearing you talk about like
you don't sit down, you'realways moving and everything
else.
And I have a movement disorderso I don't move, I like I.

(31:52):
I can't sit, I always have tomove and everything else.
So, like when I have a movementdisorder, so I don't move, like
I, I can't sit, I always haveto move and everything else.
So, like when I have thatplanner, I had to teach myself
like dude I have to take it easy.
I can't do anything, I can'tmove out there if I don't, you
know, try to heal.
And yeah, just hearing you talkabout this and everything else
like it puts me to shame.

(32:12):
But then I'm like you know theplanner.
And then come to find out whileI was dealing with the planner,
you know the C word come up andI'm just like all right, well,
you know, I'm still moving.
I did some yard work today.
It's not a run, it's not a, youknow, a walk, it's not a hike
that I want or that I wanted tobe out there, but it's something

(32:32):
that kept me moving.
But like it's tough and I don'tknow how you do it.
I don't know how you do it, youknow, especially when
something's so painful.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And then the next day after 50K you go out there and
do six miles at least.
So when running, when youstarted, what?
What age, what were you?
Where were you at?
How did you manage to findrunning as your everyday regimen

(33:03):
?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
probably my 20s.
I was working at the fitnesscenter in arizona.
Um, my boss, she's amazing,she's like my second mom.
She's out in arizona right now.
I'll love her for the rest ofmy life.
But she took me in as asupervisor, um, and I ended up
in arizona working for it wascalled, naturally, women fitness

(33:24):
centers and, uh, I would alwaysrun on my lunch break and I
started to fall in love withrunning and they called me it
was funny because all the girlsin the group would call me the
cardio queen because I loved tojust sweat and run and it just I
don't know, it's just once Istarted and I fell.

(33:47):
I started running.
I never really ran for weightloss.
I've always kind of been thesame, ran for weight loss.
I've always kind of been thesame.
Yeah, I, I ran the mentalhealth part of running for me
it's huge, okay, huge.
I got you huge.
Like I.
I tend to go back betweenwinter seasonal depression and

(34:07):
super anxiety, like I can't sitstill and I gotta move and I
gotta do something.
Like my mind's like you gottago, you gotta go.
Like I get very antsy yeah butit can also boom to the other
side.
So what happens with runningand I noticed this with my
husband it really helps with themental part of everything so
for me.
It's huge.
So it helped me through my 20s.

(34:28):
When I was going through stuff,the running, just I was like,
oh, this works for me, you knowso.
So it just kind of stuck fromthere you know?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
And were you running just to run?
Were you there running to go toraces?
Never even thought about racing.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Racing.
Okay, I just ran.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
So okay With.
That said, when did you startracing and when did you find
racing?
Key to?
I mean success?
I mean do you find racingsuccessful?
Yes, Okay, yes, definitely.
So what made that turn that?
I mean, you're just running torun, but then racing.

(35:08):
I know it came later correct.
So what about racing?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Why the change?
How did?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
the change was 2017.
It's nuts, it's nuts.
Well, what happened was?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
saying your age on air.
But I'm like, are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
me so that whole time when you started in your 20s
till now and 2017 when Chuckstarted running, it's like
that's a huge, huge liketimeline.
Yeah, so 2017, go ahead Sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well, so I was running and I was working at the
fitness center so I was alsolifting.
I love lifting weights, so Iand I love yoga and I love
Pilates.
So I was doing all the thingsand I just did it because I
enjoyed it.
And I worked at a whole bunchof fitness centers other than,
naturally, woman, so I wasalways at the gym and I was like
my job was always liftingweights, teaching people how to

(36:01):
use weights and exercise andnutrition and all that.
So this kind of goes a littlebit off.
So I never really got intoracing, believe it or not,
because on the weekends we liketo drink wine and beer and party
.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
So it was like yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
So it was like, oh, I don't want to wake up early and
do that, you know, because I'mgoing to hang out late on Friday
night and Saturday night.
Well, in 2017, there was a raceI kind of wanted to do and
Chuck's like you should totallyjust do this race, and I didn't
want to wake up the next daybecause we were partying the
night before.
Well, I woke up and I was alittle hungover and we did the

(36:42):
5k and I placed and I think Iwas second or something and I
couldn't believe it.
And Chuck was like, oh, my god,you, god, you placed.
You know, yeah.
And like he, that morning Ireally didn't want to do it, but
he's like, come on, let's justdo it.
You know, and we didn't havelike the cool clothes then or
the gear, and I had like theworst shoes possible, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
So that kind of like started something for both of us
, and in 2018 is when we took itseriously that and in 2018 is
when we took it seriously.
That's when it was like we'restopping drinking completely,
okay, and we are going to gowith this, okay, because if

(37:26):
we're placing hungover, what canwe do?
And that was like a hugeturning point in both of our
lives where we were like we'regoing to take this and we're
going to do our best with this,we're going to get rid of the
stuff holding us back and we'regoing to go for it and see what
happens.
And we freaking went way past.
We thought what we were goingto do and it just became okay.

(37:47):
Every year was like okay, we didthis, what else can we do?
It was like our first halfmarathon.
It was like, oh my god, we dida half marathon.
I can't believe.
We just did this.
I remember being so tired fordays afterwards and stuff maybe
we do a marathon.
Do a marathon, yeah, okay, whatelse can we do?
And then it was like it becameso like 50k's became like a

(38:07):
normal race and then you go to50, like I.
I tell my jam is 50 miles yeah Ilove 50 miles because you get
to sleep in your own bed.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Right, you can eat dinner.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
It's a whole day of being outside enjoying yourself,
because I like being outside.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But you could still go home.
You know, the 100 miler washard for me because I love sleep
.
I'm a sleeper, and it's prettycool.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Like you know, I'm not part of any of the groups.
Yes, I know a few of the groupsand then you know the members
and everything else and it'spretty cool to see you and
Chuck's journey through theseextra miles and everything else
and seeing you from when youstarted.
You know just trail early onand going to the 50Ks, and now

(38:54):
you guys are go into the 50 Ksand now you guys are going into
the hundred and and being partof that scene.
That, how, how hungry you guyshave been.
You know I observe a lot.
I don't say much you know,believe it or not, you know,
especially out there, I observea lot and to see you guys do
what you're doing is quiteremarkable and if you know, a

(39:15):
lot of people get people onpodcasts and throw up ultra sign
up.
I don't.
I see, through experience andum, the journey that you guys
are on it's.
It's pretty neat to watch.
Like seriously, I don't know ifyou guys pay attention but or
of of what you guys do, guys door how you guys are doing it,

(39:35):
but I have been and I see it andI continue to see it and to see
you guys dominate the way youdo and continue to do it, I mean
it's quite remarkable.
It's a remarkable feat.
Seriously, I don't know how youguys do it and to to know that.
You know you we're almost alikewhen it comes to you can't sit

(39:57):
down and always have to be busy.
Yeah, sometimes you know yougot to tell yourself to step
back, but not you.
You're a go-getter and there'sno way I'm going to tell you you
might want to step back.
You might hurt yourself becauseyou're running through the pain
, oh my.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
God, I know I hear that from family.
You know, oh, you can't do that.
And that's the thing is.
I know realistically I may notbe able to do it forever, but
I'm focused on now.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, Like I'm going to enjoy it now.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like if, 10 years from now, I can't run, that's
fine I'll, I'll do somethingelse, Cool.
But and and like at first I waslike, oh, it'd be so sad if you
know I couldn't run anymore.
But if I couldn't run I'd be onthe Stairmaster or I'd be a
spin biking or something.
Like there's always going to besomething.

(40:47):
So I'm just going to take it,I'm going to be able to do this,
which, like I said, I'm notreligious, but I do feel blessed
to be able to do this.
So it's like I'm just gonnatake this and roll with it until
I can't roll with it anymoreand you're dominating, and and I
, I don't see anything gettingin your way, only yourself yeah,
well, yeah, and that's notgonna happen.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, exactly so guys like, seriously, if you guys
see what I'm seeing, you likeyou can tell that nothing's
gonna get in between her andrunning.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh my goodness call it stubbornness, I think I don't
know it's crazy, but it's agood crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
It's a good crazy, so keep doing what you're doing.
So your next race, richland runfest.
You're to continue just doingwhat you're doing now.
You're not going to changeanything up.
Nope, I'm pretty sure you'regoing to be dominant, just like
you did on the 5K.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I want to get like I said I have to get like a
659 at least, or a 658 minimum.
You'll be able to get it.
That was at a 705.
So I'm like I'm so close.
It was only yeah, I mean Icould have pushed harder.
I was pretty, I was breathingpretty heavy when I crossed the
finish line, but I could havepushed a little bit harder.
I think I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Richland Run Fest.
Is that going to be your lowestmileage race this year?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
oh yeah yeah, yeah so I'm not a 5k person, but but
it's fun.
We're actually looking.
There's a, so in Yakima there'sthis mile they do every year.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Do you know about that mile?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yakima mile, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
And I wanted to do it last year and I'm going to get
my kids to do it and mydaughter's boyfriend.
I'm like let's all see how fastwe can do a mile and I'll train
a little bit for that Okay.
That's right around trackseason, so I'll run with the
kids and do hundreds, 200s anddo like a 400.
Just kind of like see, and thenI'll train a little bit for

(42:40):
that one.
But I want to see like a mile.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Do 800 repeats, you'll be fine.
Yeah, you'll be fine, you'll befine.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So that'll be fun.
But yeah, my goal is thatStrawberry Fields 100 miler,
Okay, and then we'll go fromthere.
I really like I try to pick one.
I'm trying to pick one thing amonth.
It gets very expensive.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
No, it does.
This is not cheap hobby, no soespecially when you go into the
ultras and oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
So it's like trying to like space it out and find
your best value for your moneykind of thing.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, definitely understand, Understand.
So it's kind of funny.
I used to start my seasonRichland Run Fest.
Every year.
I'd always do start out 5K andthen I was all like you know,
I'm done doing these local racesbecause they're all out and
backs, out and backs and thatone is.
And it's fun, but it's just yeah, it's just it's one of those

(43:36):
races like it did that I've donethat, just don't want to do it.
It's either you're runningagainst the crowd, that doesn't
care, and so I just stoppeddoing that.
But it's pretty funny, orpretty cool, to see you start
your year with virtual learn fsand then continue on with the
50ks and the 100 miles.

(43:57):
People used to ask me how doyou do it?
I'm like dude, I just do.
I do it for fun, you know,focus on the, the 5k, just to
get that little boost ofconfidence and everything else,
and then, yeah, head up tobadger and I like to change it
up a little bit, to go back andforth well, the last few years

(44:17):
I've just been focusing onmultiple day runs, yeah, and
I've lost sight of the 5k.
But I think because of this torn, that this torn plantar fascia,
I think I have to change thingsup a bit, probably just focus
on know a multiple day one timea year.
Yeah, and then just whatever Iwant afterwards.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Every injury you learn from.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
You know, it's like you get the injury and you're
like dang it.
I should have done thisdifferently, but then it's like
you know what.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I kind of believe everything happens for a reason,
so you have to learn from it,even when it's not a good thing.
It happens for a reason, so youhave to learn from it, even
when it's not a good thing.
So I try to remind myself.
I'm horrible with patience whenthings like that happen, and
it's hard, it's hard, but yougot to remember.
Everything's temporary.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, like I always have to say to myself, the scar
tissue isn't.
Yeah, that haunts you.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I have scar tissue in different areas because you run
through it and I'm like, oh,that pain is scar tissue and
that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I'll have that for the rest of my life.
Yeah, the scar tissue anddefinitely the inserts that you
have to wear for life.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
So what's your ultimate goal, now that you've
discovered racing and dominant?
What's your ultimate goal?
When do you know that?
Damn, you've done it.
You talked about Boston briefly, and it doesn't seem like
Boston is your goal.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It's not my goal.
No, I would like to do a 250miler.
Honestly, you know what I wouldlove to do.
I would love to do Cocodona 250.
I just think that would be sucha beautiful.
I love Arizona.
Sedona Arizona is where I gotmarried, it's where my, it's my
daughter's name Like Sedona islike I when I went up there.

(46:04):
I just love it up there and Ididn't.
I didn't run trails when Ilived there and it's like
there's so many amazing.
I know I went to school inFlagstaff.
I was a skier, I was a snowskier, so I did a lot of skiing
and that was wonderful, but Inever got to experience the
trails in Flagstaff and Sedonaand Cocodona is on both of our
radars and it's something Iwould like to do.

(46:26):
A multi-day, like a multi-dayrun like that, you know where
run like that, you know whereyou do get to sleep and stuff
like that.
It would just be a coolexperience.
I also would like to do GrandCanyon, the Rim to Rim Okay.
And Pacific Crest Trail.
We've talked about doingPacific Crest Trail.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Portions or all the way through.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Portions.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So do like Washington , then do Oregon then do
California, yeah, like onesummer, yeah, okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
And this is stuff that, like our kids have to be
like out of the house, and likewe got to be able to do that,
which is soon I mean, they'll begraduating soon but so Pacific
Crest Trail is a huge one, andthen Cocodona would be something
cool, and then Grand Canyonwould be pretty cool too.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
The Rim to Rim.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, how many rims, though I know you can do the rim
to rim.
Which?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
one Rim to rim.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
This is the thing I could say rim to rim, and Chuck
will be like, no, you got to goto the next rim.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I'm like, ah, okay, exactly, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
My biggest thing that holds me back from like the PCT
and the rim to rim is that thisis so funny.
I have an issue with filteringwater.
Isn't that weird?
Because I don't want to getsick and you can get really sick
and really dehydrated andyou're in a remote place.

(47:42):
It's dangerous and it scares meso much.
None of these filters are goodenough for me.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
You're talking to a guy that packs his own water.
Most of my weight is water.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Gloves and socks, okay.
So, yes, I totally understandand I've said on the podcast
plenty of times I'm afraid ofwater, believe it or not.
So, yeah, yeah, that's why Istay away from water.
I just don't like water.
But no, going to Whitney.

(48:18):
You know the uh, what two yearsago going to whitney and
knowing what those guys do inthe uh, the body of water, you
know, as they sleep, you meanthey they shit and clean
themselves off, they wipe in thewater yeah, at whitney where a
lot of people get their waterfrom.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's gross, I know.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, I definitely understand and I see it and I,
because of that, not just that,but know of people just doing
whatever they want in the waterI pack my own water, I know, and
it's like how much water can Icarry when I'm going that far?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
So that kind of holds me back from certain things and
it's such a weird thing Causeit's.
It's like some people like it'sjust water, you can filter it,
but to me it's like weird, Ijust can't get past it.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
It's hard, yeah, and the thing is to.
Once you're out there for awhile, um, you start knowing
what water is good and whatwater is bad when it comes to
taste.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
And I tell you what?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
pond water is horrible.
Lake water is nasty.
The best water is moving water,but we all know where that's
coming from.
Yeah, exactly, becauseeverybody wants that when I say
everybody wildlife.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yep, yep, yeah.
And it's hard because, withwith my nutrition background, my
kids and my everyone will tellyou like I'm so anal about food
temperature, food holding, um,cooking stuff to the right
temperature, and like we alwaystalk about every kind of
bacteria that's in everything.
So I, when you go to new, whenyou learn nutrition in college,

(49:51):
it's it, it's great and it's bad.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Because in a way, it's like it freaks you out
about so many things but you areso knowledgeable in so many
things at the same time that arehelpful.
But knowing all the other stufflike I never.
I hardly eat out at restaurantsbecause of what I've learned
and because I've worked inrestaurants.
So it's so hard for me becauseof that kind of stuff and that's

(50:17):
where the water it's like.
I know every bacteria that's inthere and I know all the side
effects of it and it's likesometimes the knowledge is not
good.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, one time I did 65 miles.
It's the South to North Lake,uh, and Bishop.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I ended up getting sick because of the water.
So but I filtered it I filteredit.
Yeah, exactly, it happened tomy husband too, because he hunts
and he got sick from it onetime too, because his filter
wasn't, I guess he.
He didn't replace it when heshould have blah, blah, blah so,
yeah, yeah, the Sawyers aren'treally efficient either.
I've been researching and Sawyerwas the best one, so I know.

(50:59):
So it's like I don't know.
That's where my, that's whereit's like I don't know what to
do with that, so I pack it.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'm the one that will pack six to eight liters.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's a lot it.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That's a lot it is.
I can't carry that much it is.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Hey, I'd rather do that than get sick Exactly, and
taste all the other.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I have a hard time just drinking water at aid
stations.
Yeah, because I know a lot ofit's hosed water and you don't
know if those containers wereclean and where they were stored
.
Here I go with my head againLike is there mold in there?
Has it been stored well, yeah,sometimes they taste like bleach
.
Has all the bleach been?
Removed from it yeah, Eightstations.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I won't touch things that have been sitting out.
My wife hits on me becauseafter races I'll just eat or
drink anything but water.
She's like why don't you drinkwater?
I'm like because I had enoughof it.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, it's like you don't want it anymore.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, especially water, because I had enough.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
yeah, it's like you don't want it anymore, yeah,
especially out of uh, you knowyour hydration pack.
You know, yeah, because the thetubing uh, just wish I can't
even use the one in the back.
I have to use the bottles.
I can't use the back.
Okay, yeah, I don't use thebottle.
I normally bring a plasticbottle like a um smart water
yeah, I see a lot of that in thefront of people's packs yeah, I
have to do that instead.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
So what I'll do is uh , if I have time, I will sit
down, take the hydration packpour it, you know, just funnel
it into my smart water, likethat, because I can't take I
can't stand the tube.
I know there's that taste andthe monotonous of it.
It's just like ugh.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Well, that's what I when I did my first 50 mile for
Badger Mountain Challenge.
I was trying the tail, so Idon't do any goos or gels.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It's all real food for me.
Have you ever had a bad one?
I never do goos because of that.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
But the, even the.
What is it?
The electrolytes.
I was using Tailwind yeah, oh,my god, this stuff made me so
sick.
I can't do sugar and the sugaramount in that, so I stay away
from electrolytes.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I take a pill an electrolyte pill that has no
calories in it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Okay, yeah, and I don't do any fake foods like
it's just has to be real foodokay, but I'm like I can go a
long distance with no food, Idon't.
I mean I eat before I run yeah,I don't go fast, but I can I go
a long time before I need to?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
yeah, I pay attention what I do and what I get on the
at the aid stations.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, I know it's funny because we joke about what
we eat, like I was.
I told them, I told you likethat, like I did the badger
mountain 50 miler on just peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Theirs or your own.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Theirs, theirs, yep.
That's it though.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Nothing else.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like and I like to stick to
things that my body knows.
I like loop runs because then Ican bring my own food.
I rock my own food.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Like if I can have my own yeah it was beautiful, so
check had my layout fixed runsare great.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yes, he had everything laid out for me.
My stomach felt amazing thewhole time which I never really
have problems with my stomachexcept for with that tailwind.
But, like um, I don't haveproblems with nausea or anything
like that.
It's usually from running toofast, yeah, but but I always eat
what my body is familiar withand it's always real food.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Right Okay, all right .
Yeah, you going to do hamsteragain, or no?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I was talking about it, but it's kind of like I
already did it.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Okay, I mean I could do it faster, but I already did
it.
I need to do strawberry fieldsbecause-.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But you already done that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I did that, but I did the 100K.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Did I do the 100K, you did the 100K.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, I did the 100K because that was my longest
distance before.
Okay, and I love StrawberryFields.
I love the race director.
She's super cool.
I love the whole atmosphere.
I don't like the whole like ifI did Boston, I don't like
marathon, like that whole scene.
I like the trail scene and Ilike the smaller, like badger,

(54:57):
mountain, challenge, strawberryfield badger is not that small
it's getting big.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It's getting big, it's huge.
It's probably the biggest onein this area, and the best, you
know but it's still like.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
The volunteers are great.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
You like the camaraderie yeah, you, you like
the feel, the ambience, the, thepeople.
Well, number one, you know thepeople, but you also know
everybody that's out there aregonna get beat to shit and
they're out there to justexperience it, not to beat you,
but just to you know, see whatthey're up against.

(55:31):
And a lot of them they get beatto shit.
That's why there's a high droprate, you know, and it's just
like, okay, what can I do now?
And that's what brings peopleback, you know.
They're like, okay, let's do itagain.
And then they either, you know,drop to 15k, you know, get that
, and then they end up doing the50K and then the 50 miler and

(55:53):
then the 100.
So it's pretty cool to seepeople, you know, come back just
to beat their old time or whatthey did last time.
So, with that, what brings youback to Badger?
Just the ambiance, just thefeel see other people defeat
their old you know like go from15k to 50k.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
What it's just it's our community.
It's like everyone we trainwith all everyone you see on
those mountains, like bad,badger, mcbee, rattlesnake, jump
off joe, like all around thearea.
They're all like a lot of themare training for badger at some
distance and it's just so coolwhen you're seeing them put in
all those miles all the time tosee see their faces at the
finish.
That finish line is amazing.

(56:39):
I love to just stand there andjust watch.
It's just so cool.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
And I.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I, I it's.
It's a tough race.
It's the weather on Nick B,it's so.
So we went up there the otherday and I swear we went up there
and it was fine.
There was no wind at all and itwas foggy, but it was kind of
warm and I was starting to sweatand I, we got up there and all

(57:04):
of a sudden the sun came out andit was great and turn around
and it was like what has justhappened.
It was blowing wind, it wasfreezing.
I was trying to like put myneck gator on, but my hands, I
couldn't take my gloves off, soI was like trying to get this
and it was so cold.
My eyes were like you know,when your eyes get cold, my

(57:26):
eyelashes had like frozen andit's like what the heck happened
?
And that's mcbee and and mcb inthe middle of the night.
In that in march is.
It's the reason why I haven'tdone the hundred yet, because I
have rain outs and when I losecirculation in my toes or my
fingers it won't come back, itgets.

(57:47):
If it gets to a certain level,it's dangerous for me and my
hands turn white and to get.
I've been in situations whereI've let it go a little too long
and I've had to run them underhot water and they turned so
purple, almost black, and it'sso painful, it's like feels like
needles stabbing you.
So I really, really want thatjacket because I'm really close

(58:09):
to it, but the weather it has to.
I can run in a hundred degrees,but you get me in the cold and
that's what kills me.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
The hundred is all I've been is all I need to get
that jet, yeah, but it's like Ireally you know what the thing
is.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I don't want to do it .
So, I won't.
So I have to want it and I haveto really once I say to myself
okay, I'm ready, I want it, Iknow I'll do it, but I don't
want to do it.
And if I don't want to do it,it's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I thought about doing the cycle again, but I don't
know.
I told Jason last year I waslike I'm done, I'm done with
Badger, I'm taking a year off.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
That's why I'm pacing this year.
It's so nice because I'mtraining like I'm running Badger
and I do everything that I'mdoing the Jeep trails next week.
So it's like I'm doing all thetraining but I don't have the
stress of actually having to runit.
So it's so cool that I don'thave to run it, I just have to
pace it, you know.
So I'm kind of like using thatas a training run for my ancient

(59:04):
lakes to do the 50 miler.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
When you're not running, what do you do?
Cross train wise.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Oh, I love spinning.
I have a spin bike you crosstrain was oh, I love spinning, I
have a spin bike, I have a real.
So I got this really fancy spinbike.
It was very expensive and it'sall digital.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
It's the coolest ever .

Speaker 2 (59:22):
No, I don't do peloton okay, I don't do name
brands and stuff like that.
Um, it's amazing and it's.
I love spinning becausespinning to me is fun and I'm
not a fast rider and I don't.
I have a bike to ride outsideand I'm kind of klutzy.

(59:42):
I have fallen on my bike a fewtimes.
I'm not great and I haveclip-ins and everything, um, but
on a spin bike I just I can gofor hours on that thing.
I um, I into I do weighttraining, but it's like it's
yoga, pilates, weight training.
I don't go to the gym and liftheavy.
I do a lot of cool like yogastuff.

(01:00:06):
So it's more about I'm veryflexible, so I like, like, I do,
I like doing headstands.
So I have a headstand that I doand then I come down and I can
almost go into a split.
So it's like I'm very learninghow to like use my body weight
to do stuff.
I plank, I do that kind ofstuff, but, um, a lot of like

(01:00:27):
weight.
I try to do weight trainingevery day, but running specific.
I do a lot of stretching everyday Um.
No hiking, no backpacking noit's crazy, it's too slow, I
can't do, I can't.
It's a different.
I can't hike because I want torun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
It's a different feel it's a different way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I have to get my heart rate up, and you can.
Yeah, I don't know.
You pack the pack and you hit.
You know some of the, thetrails that you know runners
don't.
Yeah, you get it.
I have to say we did go tosisters and I found a trail and

(01:01:05):
we had to hike it because it wassteep and I loved it and when
we got to the top it was sogorgeous sister, it was no, it
wasn't south, because we need togo back.
We're going back this summer fora whole week and we're getting
the permits way ahead of timeBecause there were so many
places we wanted to go, wecouldn't.
And I kind of wanted to go andhe's like you can't go, we're
going to get a fine.
And I'm like, but we're here,let's just go.

(01:01:26):
You know, I forgot what thename was it Black Butte it was.
I forgot the name of it.
It was like it wasn't that longof a hike but it was very steep
and the top was absolutelyamazing.
And then when we went to SmithRock, it was the same thing.

(01:01:47):
You had to like hike up asection of it, and I love hiking
with running involved.
So if you can hike it and runit, then I'm good, but if it's
just hiking I can't do it Like Ihave to have both.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Right, okay, yeah, smith Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
That's my training ground.
There's a 50 miler that we wantto do at Smith Rock yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It gets too crowded there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Does it?
Yeah, it's too crowded.
We thought about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I thought about that one.
Yeah, the reason why I don't dothat race I'd rather train
there is just because there's alot of the elite runners in Bend
and Portland that go in there.
Really, and they just dominate.
Oh yeah, and if you hang out atSmith Rock you'll see the elite
runners up there.
They're the only ones that arerunning like Up that hill, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Up that steep they're the only ones.
And it's sketchy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Some of those areas are sketchy like I was like wow,
this is like you can fall.
Yeah, off the edge of this,right here you know?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
oh yeah, so I love ben, though I'll tell you, bend
is my jam yeah, there's notenough parking at smith rock for
that race.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah and it's got more and more,the more.
It's, uh, you know, nottelevised, but for the elites to
put it on the map.
They, they've ruined that race.
I mean, max king lives downthere, you know, ian charman,

(01:03:06):
yeah, and then you got someother up and coming guys that
live in redmond and ben, thatput that on the map too.
So the more you, if you ever gothere, the hit, hit me up,
because I'll be glad to go, I, Igo there in a day and just go
there, get back home.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, how far is it?
It's like four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I would say three and a half Okay.
Cause it's north of Ben, yeahso, and almost in Redmond, but
not quite.
But yeah, I love that place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I love it, I love.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Sisters, sisters, bend area.
I'm a.
I like I go back and forth LikeI'm vegetarian, vegan, but
every once in a while I'll havelike a little piece of like fish
or something, but the food whenwe're in like bend and sisters
oh I'm in heaven.
Yeah, you know, I'm like why dowe not have that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
here.
How come ben has it but wedon't?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
yeah, they have my favorite, like we have to go
there and I come back withseriously like a whole box of
kombucha and like they have thebest hummus and just like I'm
like this is amazing.
So we always eat very wellwhile we're there.
I love it there, so we're goingto go for a week this year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
The high desert.
There's nothing like that smelltoo.
I love that smell.
So you asked me.
You thought I only did rodeoguys or rodeo athletes or
whatever, yeah and that's whathas.
That's what has kept you awayfrom the podcast a little right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Just I was just like yeah, I'm like, I don't like
country music, I don't likecountry anything.
People might not like me forthat, but I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
So here it's just not my jam yeah, yeah, and I'm not
putting on the spot becauseyou're not the only one, yeah,
so you're not the only one thatsaid that.
And you know what?
I am not a country lover.
I like chris dabbleton, buthe's more soulful, yeah, I like,
uh, what's his face?
Uh, stirrable simpson.
He's more uh, you know, soulfultoo.

(01:05:14):
I love red clay strays and theygot that elvis soul, yeah you
know, and they got that littlerock.
They they're more rock but forsome reason country just threw
them up but it's more ofamericana.
It's that soulful, that, uh,that rock more rock than the
country.
I hate country, I hate countryand I've said that even with the

(01:05:37):
country, guys here I'm ametalhead and um that's cool.
The one thing, the one otherthing, and that's all I listen
to when I'm on the trail and oneof the things that, uh, have
you know, people have stated isoh, I don't listen to that, and
also I don't listen to peoplewho abuse animals.
So I don't, you know, supportyou or anything that do rodeo

(01:06:00):
scene so do you do I interviewthem because of what they do?
Hell yeah, you do.
I interview them becausethey're athletes just as us.
Yes, and the different form.
The one thing that's differentwith them, between us and them,
is that the animal.
They're probably one of thebest athletes out there and the

(01:06:24):
more you see them perform orcompete and everything else the
only difference is they havethat animal the more I talk to
those athletes the rodeoathletes in that scene female,
male, especially when it comesto females and barrel racing,

(01:06:46):
how much core they use andeverything else and and whatnot,
people think that the horse isdoing most of their work, but
hey, uh yeah, they do it so oneof the things that, uh, I love
is to know what the athlete is,the athlete mind, and why they

(01:07:06):
do what they do, how they dowhat they do and, um, a lot of
people you know who started outwith this podcast, no, you know
started miles, mountains andbrews.
It was just conversational piece.
Then it went fromconversational to um sports or,
you know, running and everythingelse.

(01:07:27):
It's always a running, it'salways going to be a running,
but it's hard to get runners in.
It is and um it's.
It's changed a lot, a lot of.
The more you get into, get intothe running scene, the more you
see the ego.
It's ego driven yeah and uh seethat a lot of them are just

(01:07:48):
about themselves.
Yeah, I don't like that.
Yeah, a lot of them are justabout themselves yeah, I don't
like that yeah, a lot of themare just about themselves and a
lot of them will tell you to, ifyou don't mind, um, fuck off.
You know I'm sorry for puttingthat yeah I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I don't like people who are, and so that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
So you know a lot of people and I'm I'm thankful that
you're able, you're allowing meto state this on your, on your
episode, because you know youmentioned it and I was just like
you know I need to saysomething.
I need to say something aboutit, yeah, because you know a lot
of people judge, a lot ofpeople judge.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
They do and it's.
I always tell my kids this andpeople who judge you, it has
nothing to do with you and a lotto do about them.
Like I know, this is the thingthere's going to be better
runners than me.
There's going to be not as goodrunners than me, whatever, I
don't care.
And I don't care if, like, ifyou're a great runner but you
have that ego, then you're not agreat runner, because running

(01:08:52):
and being a great runner is morethan just being a great runner.
It's also being a good personand it's just.
It's some people.
I just and that's the thing, Ijust, I'm not gonna waste my
time worrying about those people.
I just go boop, go to the side.
I don't care, you know, do yourthing, whatever, but the people
who are out there workingreally hard and who are humble

(01:09:13):
are my favorite.
I have my favorite people inour community and those are the
ones that I'm like, and me andmy husband, I love that person.
That person's amazing, you know.
Or this person, nah, becauseit's not just about it's like
someone who's beautiful on theoutside but a bad person on the

(01:09:35):
inside, like you have to bebeautiful on the inside, and
it's the same thing with running.
It's like you have to be a tobe a good athlete.
I have athletes that I coach.
When you're an athlete andyou're one of those people who's
like oh yeah, I'm the best atit, you're not going to go far
in life, you can't be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
And unfortunately it's, it's, unfortunately it's,
it's, it's filled with uh, yeah,the sport is filled with a lot
of those and um, so my my pointwas I'll, I'll do my best to get
locals, because you guys staytrue and stay local.
You guys always, you know, rootfor each other.
But outside of that, when itcomes to big name influencers, I

(01:10:08):
stopped doing those becausethose guys are full of
themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah and no, and honestly I wouldn't want to
listen to that yeah, I don'twant to listen to those people.
I want to listen to the oneswho are the locals, who are the
humble ones, who are like I pickyour episodes based on, like
the ones who are like I'm like,oh, that's somebody who I really
want to know about.
You know what I mean?
I yeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And you know the cool thing about the guys from the
rodeo scene too, they're veryhumble.
I basically pick them outbecause they're up and coming
and they're hungry and those arethe kids that I've been putting
on there and they see it andthey stick together and that's

(01:10:48):
how the podcast should be andhow how I've been liking it.
It's been feeling good becausethose kids just they root for
each other, they root each otheron, you know, and just
basically, uh, live and die.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
that, you know, just like the local scene here you
know, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I Ienjoy it.
I enjoy it.
Yeah, I feel like around here,you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
So, yeah, I enjoy it, I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I feel like around here too, you got some
that like would love to befamous and all that stuff.
But I'll tell you somethingwith that kind of fame comes a
lot of stuff that I wouldn'twant to deal with.
Like that would just not be fun.
Then it's not fun anymore.
Yeah, yeah, and then it's notfun anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you know to see someof the locals head towards that
ego-driven.
It's hard to watch but it'slike okay, whatever you guys do
you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, exactly that's my theory on life.
You do you.
I do me, you do you, you do you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
But, those are also the ones that are saying oh yeah
, podcast change.
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, a lot of people have a lot of things to say
about a lot of things, right,exactly so no, it's more so the
athlete.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
And you know a lot of the ones I always put running
involved, like the music.
Some of the music they have theRPMs of 120.
The heart rate?
Yeah, so the heart rate.
Know what I mean?
The heart rate?
Yeah, so the heart rate.
I always talk about the heartrate.
I was like man, your music'salways great for the heart rate.
So like, let's say, if I'mgoing for a long run I'll put
yours down, and I know if Istick on that beat I'm gonna go

(01:12:20):
through x amount of timethroughout the day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
You know that's real yeah, yeah, I don't listen to
music.
Yeah, yeah, no one not.
No, I don't.
I don't listen to music when Irun.
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not.
No, I don't.
I don't listen to music everwhen I run.
I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Well, I'm always alone.
I'm always alone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Every now and then.
But even when I'm alone, Idon't I feel like.
You know what it is.
My mind is always full of awhole bunch of things at get rid
of all of it.
So when I run and I don't havenoise it just it's like there's

(01:12:53):
nothing there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
It's just clear.
I love that.
My favorite person to listen toon a run, or especially around
Badger and Candy, is Bob Seger.
I love Bob Seger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
He's pretty great, yeah, yeah.
So if you ever have that time,I might have to try that I will,
once in a while, put onsomething the greatest hits.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
If you ever get a chance, you'll know what I'm
talking about.
But if and when you just wantto just listen to music, listen
to that greatest hits the SilverBullet Band and you'll know
what I'm talking about, I'll dothat.
I'll do a lot of the Badgertraining runs listening to him,
him and Chevelle, but other thanthat, yeah, it's pretty cool
stuff.
Do that?
I'll do a lot of the badgertraining runs listening to him,
and him and chevelle.
But other than that, yeah, yeahyeah, it's pretty cool stuff,

(01:13:33):
so strawberry fields.
After that what?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
after strawberry.
I think that's is that june.
I think that's june.
I'm a summer runner yeah, yeahso all my miles, a lot of my
miles, are in the summer.
If, if it's nice out, like I'llwake up, I always say to myself
I'm going to not run, likeevery morning.
If it's cloudy in the summer orit's raining, I won't go for a
run.
That'll be my rest day.
So I use the weather as my restday.

(01:13:58):
Well, where we live in thesummer, it's sunny every day.
So it's like, oh, I guess I'mgoing out again, so.
So I love running in the summerand I think there we're looking
at there was something in July.
I know I have something writtendown for July, I know.
So I work with Run Super Seriesand stuff and I know they have

(01:14:19):
an.
Ultra Fest and that's coming up.
Well, I don't work with them,but I'm an ambassador for them
and she always has like coolraces going on there.
West Side-ish it's mostly westside- but it's like a lot of her
races are like North Bend, sothey're on the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Iron Horse Trail.
They're on the tree line.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
So yeah, so I like it , but there's not a lot of
elevation to a lot of themeither.
They're not mountainy races andI'm trying to challenge myself
because, even though I hatehiking, it's probably great for
me and I notice, the more I doit, the stronger I get.

(01:14:58):
So I keep doing it, even thoughI complain.
Um, so I don't, I don't know.
We've been talking about maybegoing up to cascade crest and
volunteering for that one you'regonna be able to sit back and
watch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
It's gonna be exactly but I, but I, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I did six miles of that trail and I was like, wow,
this is tough and it was likethe easiest part of the six
miles.
But it was four o'clock and itwas so hot and it was all
exposed.
And then the part where I hadto go up to meet chuck, for
water was so steep and I waslike, and he's, oh, I've been
doing this one for hours and I'mlike, oh, my God, that's a lot

(01:15:31):
of hiking.
I don't know if I want to dohiking, but Catsgate Crest is
like would be super cool to do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, Cocodona is mostly hiking.
Yeah, I know, talk to Harp Iknow he said he walked the whole
thing.
That's the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I I know, and especially if you're going that
far.
So, it would be new for me.
It's something different.
So it's kind of a nice changeand it's probably a lot better
on my body.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
You're going to have to mentally change things up
yeah, because that time yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I know we thought about across the years is
another one that would be coolto do.
It's a one mile loop.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I signed up for the 48 hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
You're doing that one this year.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
I was until the C word came about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
And so I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
They normally don't give out refunds, but they
refunded, not refund.
But they gave me until like2028 to fulfill the.
You got to do it.
Oh, I'm doing it.
I'm doing it, my goal is to dothe six-day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Well, you know what?
When you do it, you let me knowand we'll go with you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I was going to do it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Because we want to do it.
This year is too late, we can'tsign.
He looked into it and he's likethe plane tickets are
ridiculous.
But I would love to do that one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
I'm signing up.
I don't do.
I don't do so well for locals,I just don't want to do it
anymore.
It's lame, it's boring, yeah,it's boring.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I know you need to change it up and I've thought
about it Like I was like oh, wecould do like a marathon or a
half.
I hate marathon, so a halfmarathon in every state, but to
me that's I wouldn't want to dothat honestly.
I want to do one in differentcountries, so like that would be
more fun I really want to dothe cowboy 200.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Where's that nebraska ?
But it's during cross-countryseason.
So if I don't do a season ortwo, or just not a cross-country
anymore, yeah, um, I'll end updoing that right away yeah, I
thought about because you coachat the high school level, okay,
so I thought about that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
But then there's weekends right so I was like you
know, a goal in the futurewould be like a high school or
college cross-country coachingyeah you know, if I, if it got
to the point where I couldn'trun yeah, I know what I would do
is I'd start coaching runningat a higher level, because then

(01:17:53):
I could be there on the weekendsto do all that.
So that would be an alternativeof something I would do in the
future and take all my knowledgeI know now and use that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
That's fun.
Yeah, there's a reason why KylePaulson does it too.
Shout out to Kyle.
Yeah, I know, talk about runner.
Yeah, you know, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Oh yeah, of course he was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
He was sick during that last race.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I know, I saw it on Strava and he was, and it's so
funny because it's.
It's crazy how people are atsuch different levels, like when
he's sick and he's struggling,he's running like a 650 minute
mile and it's like, wow, youknow it's like, but it's crazy
to think that like if I was sick, I'd be running at like a 10
minute mile.
You know exactly, yeah, butit's he's, there's people in our

(01:18:40):
running community that I dolike I'm really impressed oh
yeah it's like there's peopleI'm really impressed with, but
then it goes with thepersonality part.
It's like, oh my God, you'reawesome.
But the personality just bringsit down so much, and then
there's somebody else who's notas awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
And you have so much more respect for them because,
they're out there grinding andthey're not the best, but they
don't stop.
Yeah, and it's impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Yeah, stop, yeah, and it's impressive.
Yeah, and I'd love to like.
We are inspired by that, youknow so.
So, kyle, you know his issue,though.
Right, have you ever watchedhim?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
coach?
No, I have not.
I don't know him very.
I know al a little bit betterand I've seen al marino because
I know they run togethersometimes milio milio that's
what I call but k I don't really.
I see him once in a while.
He's way too fast.
I don't see him.
He's always at the front.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
If you ever get to see, okay, normally he warms up,
he'll warm up a mile before heeven steps foot on the starting
line, believe it or not.
But when you see him on his offtime, he walks.
And I've him on his off time,he walks, and I've said this

(01:19:53):
even on the uh his recent uhepisode, and I talk about it on
the podcast that he walks likean old man because he has uh
like bone growing through hisachilles.
Oh, my, yeah.
And so, like, when you see himin and around the cross-country
course, I don't know how he doesit.
I don't know how he does itbecause he runs like an old man,
but then when he is racing,yeah, it's like dude, where are

(01:20:17):
you from?
Like who are you?
And yeah, I guess for him toget it fixed they would have to
cut both Achilles and clean itout.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
I wouldn't do that.
Yeah, I would not do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
So thankfully his brother's a physical therapist
and he does a lot of that stuff.
That helps a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
It's once they See I have really bad, see I have
bunions.
Nobody really knows how bad mybunions are.
They're pretty bad, but I'velearned how to manage them.
But the thing is that to getthat surgery, I've talked to too
many people and I'm like youknow what that's?
Surgery is not going to happenfor me, I'm just running.
So I've learned to wide toe.

(01:20:56):
You know, I always go a half asize bigger.
I learned the socks to use andI do all the things I I actually
no, nobody knew I sleep withtoe separators because healthy
though.
Yeah, when I put my toeseparators every night, it
actually trains your feet and ithas helped tremendously.
And no high heels ever I usedto wear high heels.

(01:21:16):
It's all flats.
You can't wear high heelsanymore.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
You know Marino's one of those guys that started
around that time too, 2017.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I thought he was running for a long time, huh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
No, no, he started getting back into it I didn't
know that, yeah, yeah, a lot ofthese, yeah, it's amazing to
hear everybody's story yeah, itis and my goal and my goal also
when talking about the podcastis get more people from in, from
the local scene on, and my goalwas to get you or Chuck, in
before this new year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, we just skimmed through.
Huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I waslike very thankful.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I'm very thankful, you know, seriously, and yeah, I
appreciate you allowing me tocatch that goal, especially with
everything that's been going onin my life, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Knowing that tomorrow's Christmas Eve, it's
crazy.
And you were able to come,that's even better.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah, we don't go travel for Christmas.
That's too stressful, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't.
We used to go to California alot, but now they come up here,
or Grandma does Father-in-lawpassed in September, yeah, or if
grandma does father-in-lawpassed in september, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it has been aterrible year, but yeah, but no,
my, my goal was I was like youknow what?
I have to ask the insleys andso like when I, when I saw you

(01:22:40):
guys at hamster, I was like yo,chuck, I need you guys that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I remember him saying that I was kind of like way out
of it, I was so out of it, andhe goes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
No, you were zoning.
You're in the zone.
I didn't even see you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I didn't even see you .
One lap, so one lap I ran withthis guy.
I'll never forget he was like78.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
He told me stories.
We walked the whole thingbecause I was done at that point
.
I think it took me like an hourand a half to do two and a half
miles.
But the stories he told me.
I have a picture of us together.
I'll have to show you thepicture and it like comes in and
out.
Of what I can remember.
He was a German guy, I'm German,so we kind of like talk German
stuff and he did amazing things,like he was just telling me

(01:23:27):
stories and he ended up fallingand he hurt his ribs.
So he had to.
He was he, he goes.
My son told me I should stop,but he kept walking anyway.
So he walked the whole loopwith me and it was really cool
and, uh, it kind of inspired me.
Like I was like, I was likethat's when I kind of was.
I was like I'm done and it'slike dude, this guy fell.

(01:23:47):
He probably broke a rib.
He's still walking around 78years old.
I have no excuse.
I have no excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah.
So now, like one of my goalstoo in the racing or running
world is just stick with thedirectors that I really like and
care for, and Gretchen Wall isone of them yeah, I love her
races.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I actually I've done almost all of them, but this
year, like I said, we've beenpicking and choosing because
they get really expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Not hers though.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
No, hers are great and hers sell out.
The best run I did with her wasthe Twilight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
So I never ran in the dark.
You did Twilight too right.
I did with her was the uhtwilight, so I I never ran in
the dark too Right, yeah, uh,just this year.
Yeah, yeah, that's another raceI ran with you guys, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
And that one, like I, was terrified cause I ran in
the dark and I can't.
First of all, I need glasses.
I wear contacts but I don'tlike to wear them and running in
the dark is hard for me.
So we got the Kogala and I didthat race and that's when I knew
I could do 100 because I neededthe night run.

(01:24:54):
So that race is a beautifulrace that she puts on.
It's smart, the terrain isperfect, it's like everything
about it was great.
So I did that training run andthat was like.
Once I finished that I saidokay, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
I've done it two, three years in a row.
Now I'm doing it again.
That's one of those ones that Iwas like.
You know, I like this.
I just like to beat the shitout of myself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Right, I know we just love to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Only a runner understands that Everyone else
is like, like what are you doing?
And after every, uh, you know,beat the shit out of loop.
You see gretchen walla, youknow, smiling at the top of it,
feeding you, and it's like thataid station was stacked with
food yeah, like she, she takescare of us, wow, yeah yeah, when
I did hamster I had some uh, Ihad great pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
She got like a, and what I love about what she does
is like she had like vegan stuff.
So she had a pizza with nocheese, yeah yeah.
And it was like a gluten-freecrust, thin crust, so I was able
to, like, actually eat the food.
So I had like five slices ofthat pizza and it was great.
Like I was like oh, this isjust what I needed you know,
because I can't do M&Ms and Ican't do chips.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
You know you do so much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You start shaking yeah Once that pizza came out, I
was like, oh, this is pizza.
I did the same thing on SoulSurvivor.
I think Jason got me a wholeDomino's pizza, but it was like
no cheese, thin crust, I ate thewhole thing.
I was like that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Jason and Gretchen, yeah, and Chris, they all do a
fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah, so Okay.
Well, guess what We've been atit for over.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I guess I can talk, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
For a while now.
I mean we can still go, but Idon't want to waste your time.
I want you back on Stephanie,if that's okay, if you did enjoy
your time here I do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I thought I was nervous.
Like I said, I'm a very privateperson.
I don't like to talk aboutmyself but it was nice, because
it came pretty natural.
I like that you ask questionsso I can just answer them.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
So did it exceed all expectations?
I mean, you weren't expectingmuch.
You're like, oh, I'm so nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
What are we going to talk about?
But?

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
it comes natural and it went fast right.
I mean we can still go.
A reason why.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Kyle always comes on.
There's a reason why you knowBrock Betzler comes on there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
There's always there's a reason why Mike
McKnight comes on.
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, yeah, so, uh, yeah, a lotof people have said a lot of
positive things about this andI'm I'm glad that you were able
to make it.
I really do.
I appreciate you finding timeto let me have my moment this

(01:27:56):
year, my goal of having anotherperson.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Well, it's nice because I get to learn about you
too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
A little bit, and so a little.
So the little here's a littlebirdie.
A little birdie is trying toget out.
Right now there's some peoplethat really want me to tell my
birdie is, uh, trying to get outand right now that there's some
people that really want me totell my story, it's gonna come
out.
I just don't know when, butit's very soon and that's kind
of interesting because I knowyou're like me.

(01:28:20):
You're a private person too,yeah even though I have a
podcast I know right, a lot ofpeople from you know outside the
podcast that actually listen.
The people that you know I'veput on they were like nick, you
need to tell the story.
We know there's a story youneed to tell it and kyle's been
an inspiration on that one.

(01:28:40):
Um, a lot of people outside thepodcast world has also been
trying to tell me to do it and II thought about doing it my by
myself.
That's still in the air but Idon't know.
I don't know you'll know whenyou're ready when it comes yeah,
you'll yeah when it comes, butlike right now, like I feel like

(01:29:00):
I have cancer brain, so youknow, it's like it's really
tough, like right, like whenwe're still recording when I'm
done, I'm going to ask you didthat all make sense.
Did that make sense when I wassaying earlier, you know so, but
yeah, it'll come out, it'llcome out.
I've been really thinking aboutit, especially since I've had

(01:29:21):
the downtime with the plantarfascia and the sickness and
stuff like that, and treatment'sgoing well, it's going well,
it's going well.
Every week's different, everytreatment's different.
Really.
Like the first treatment waslike dude.
I had a sorry for calling youdude.
I had a headache, I had aheadache from Friday all the way

(01:29:42):
to Monday, you know.
And then this one.
I had a sickness with it.
But then you know, cancer coughis a real thing.
You know, and so I was likelearning all this stuff as I go.
But one of the things that Ihave to deal with is with
everything that's gone in mylife.
This cancer is going to be withme no matter what that's gone

(01:30:04):
in my life.
This cancer is going to be withme no matter what.
So, like the treatment that I'mon right now, is the treatment
that's shrinking the cancerRight.
It's not putting it away, it'snot putting it aside, it's just
shrinking it, and then I'm goingto have to do treatments
throughout the rest of my life.
It's crazy.

(01:30:24):
It's crazy yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
And it's, it's, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
I'm taking turkey tail.
I hate mushrooms, so I'm doingall sorts of mushroom pills.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Yeah, are you doing ginger?
Are you taking gingersupplements?
Do you have any nausea?

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I uh every now and then when, after treatment, my
senses are heightened.
Yeah, that's when I hate ginger.
I'll do ginger ale, but I don'tlike ginger.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
But not like in a chew form, just like a
supplement, where you justswallow it, you won't taste it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
No, I don't have that .

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Okay, because that helps.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
That's a game changer .
Yeah, that helps.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
And it's got to be like a good quality
no-transcript, and then there'sgood quality stuff that will
actually make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Now that you know, knowing that you're a
nutritionist and everything else, I've been doing all this stuff
about anti-inflammation.
Yeah, you want to keep theinflammation down, been learning
all sorts of stuff oh yeah, Icould talk to you about the
whole diet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I could go on forever about that exactly and yeah, so
it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
It's a lot of uh learning and uh, one hell of
experience, but, um, I do enjoythis experience talking to you
and uh definitely will have todo a number two or number three
or whatnot if you, if you're upto it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Well, every there's chapters in everyone's life, so
who knows what our next chaptersare going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
And I'm thankful that you actually sat down and
discussed your, your world andyour journey and running.
And it's quite amazing to bepart of it from the outside and,
um, seeing you guys progress,knowing what you guys done and
hearing your story just startedracing in 20, 2017 and knocking

(01:32:24):
miles out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
It's quite I always think I should have started
earlier but I was but I was toobusy partying and doing all
things I shouldn't be doing.
You're living and learning.
You're living and learning.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
But it's quite an amazing feat what you guys have
done and I'm glad to be part ofit or see it from the outside.
You guys keep rocking it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Until next time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
All right, Thank you guys.
Thank you, merry Christmas andHappy New Year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Merry Christmas, we'll see you next time.

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