August 4, 2023 • 53 mins
Meet Utah's very own professional Freestyle and Protection Bullfighter, Dexton Draper. He shares how it all started and what drives him to continue to be one of the best fighters in the nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Draper, how are?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
you, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I mean great day Well off day is a great day Any day,
correct?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean we try to keep things good around here, keep
the positive energy, and justtry not let things affect us so
we don't have control over Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You're in Utah, a lot of I mean the water.
It has to be the water, correct?
Yeah, because there's a lot ofrodeo studs, athletes that come
out of there and it just seemslike you, just you guys just
roll with the punches, man, isit the water or is it just?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
yeah, I mean I would give a lot of the success to the
high school rodeo associationthat's coming up.
I mean it's just thecontestants and just the quality
.
Like I know the numbers havekind of dropped off a little bit
the rough stock and stuff, buta lot of that's the deal with
gas prices and everything theretoo.
(01:28):
But just there's such acompetition and it's such high
quality athletes here that youkind of just got to rise and got
to rise to the occasion and begood, just because there's so
much of the tradition of therodeo and ranching and that it's
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just these guys are doing itand starting it from such a
young age that you kind of gotto be on the book and get going
with it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, notice that you mentioned everybody else, but
not yourself, when it comes toUtah athletes.
So let's change that.
Let's change that.
Yeah, I want you to know that.
Not everybody does protectionand freestyle.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
No no, not everybody does and it's here there's just
a ton of guys.
So I mean I've kind of got myfeet wet and other places, just
because all the contractors gottheir guys and I'm like, well,
if this is really want somethingI want to do, I'm not just
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going to focus on the rodeosthat we got here, I want to go
other places.
I want to see some differentcountry and build the around
different guys that aren't inthe state to see how they handle
things, how the livestockchanges from state to state and
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just how the attitude and theatmosphere of rodeo changes.
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So, with the protection and the freestyle,
what allows you to do both ofthem?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean honestly it's.
My opinion is, if a guy reallywants to have a career and fight
bulls, I think you got to startout at the freestyles because
you learn how to handle them hotbulls and how to be able to
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feel confident stepping aroundthem, them big, hot, juicy stuff
.
That if you get in a wrecksituation that you can stay calm
, knowing that you put in thework and have the confidence to
be able to work something likethat.
And that's just myrecommendation and guys think
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other opinions, but that's justmy opinion and what I think.
Because I think you got to haveconfidence.
Especially if you're going tosave a guy in trouble, you got
to know where the pocket is toget in and how to handle them
bulls and get in the right leadand set them bulls up and take
care of them to get them out ofthere.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you being Utah, you talking about other people,
we're finally talking about you.
How did it all start with you?
How old were you when you gotinvolved in the rodeo scene?
When did you find outbullfighting was for you, I mean
?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I started from, I mean basically when I was born.
I mean we've got photos of meand stuff where, like I'm on a
horse.
I've got photos of me when I'mlike two riding the sheep.
I mean I've competed ineverything rodeo event-wise.
I mean I've barrel-raised,pole-banded, goat-tied.
I mean I rode barebacks insaddle Bronx in junior high and
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I rode bulls for a while andthen team rode calf-rope,
steer-wrestle.
So I've had.
I kind of had my hand ineverything rodeo event-wise.
And when was it?
Probably 14 or 15.
So I met Aaron Ferguson at my.
He was one of my buddies or myuncle's groomsmen at his wedding
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and this was kind of before theBFO started, but he was kind of
talking about getting thisstarted up and I'm like I've
kind of heard the old-timerfreestyle stories and I think I
think that'd be awesome.
I mean I think that's somethingwhere you get to be the baddest
dude in any room because you'refighting these bulls that are
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full head of steam and you canjust walk around and I'm like a
cool cat.
I'm like it's just kind ofsomething I want to figure out
and do.
And we were doing a fundraiserI just barely for my dad's rodeo
team.
So Utah Valley University.
We were doing a rodeofundraiser for him and it was
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actually a pretty coolexperience.
So we had a bunch ofphotographers come and we were
just going to kind of put on alittle rodeo and do a little
ranching for him.
So they got these bulls andI've been talking to the guys
around here.
I'm like, hey, I want to start,like what do I need?
And they kind of told me what Ineeded to kind of start.
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And then so I got all my stuffand kind of got into working
with that and they just kind offed me to the wolves.
And I mean, ever since thatfirst day, it's just… Never
looked back, really.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, and you're Owl.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So I was 17 when I first started, so you fairly
turned 17.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
A lot of.
I've been running into a lot ofrodeo athletes, athletes in
general, and they callthemselves a late bloomer.
Do you consider yourself a latebloomer because you started to
save 17?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean I wouldn't necessarily call it a late
bloomer, you know, I thinkthat's kind of about the right
time to start.
And especially, you know, inthe bullfight game I think some
kids can get hurt and get insome real trouble if they start
too young and not necessarilyfully develop.
But growth-wise, yeah I think akid can get in some trouble.
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But I mean I think that's aboutthe right time for me to start.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's good.
You're the first that's eversaid that man, by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, Seriously, everybody's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Everybody thinks they should start like eight years
old or something like that.
And there are.
There's a lot of them out there.
But every time I get somebodythat starts at 16 or 17, they're
like I'm a late bloomer andthey're just like it's almost
frowned upon.
But I'm just like, thingshappen for a reason.
You're here, for a reasonYou're killing the game.
I mean, you really have tobuild them up, but they really
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are down on themselves when theystart 18, 19, 20.
And it's just.
It's good to hear somethingdifferent.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, and I mean I understand where them guys are
coming from, but at the sametime, like it's, it's, this is a
game where you know you want tobe fully grown and fully
developed, where you're notnecessarily, you know, because
you get some wrecks and you knowyou break a growth plate when
you're 13, 14, you're going tohave one leg that shorter than
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the other, like it's just.
It's just something that andespecially in this game, you're
going to have injuries come up.
So if you start a little later,you know, get some muscle and
and tone on your bones, I meanyou're not necessarily going to
get hurt as much, I think, andbe able to take some of them
shots and and you know it'sstill going to be sore, but I
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think you're, you're going topay off in the end.
That's a I don't know man.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You got a lot of insight.
You got a lot of insight.
So so we're, we're.
I'm just going to ask you,where do you get all this
insight from?
It sounds like you got an oldman that's in the game himself.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah.
So so my dad's, you know he's Imean he's awesome, I mean he's
he's put me in front of somereally important people and kind
of really big people in theindustry.
So I mean Casey Fields he justlives right down the road from
us, a mile.
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Caleb Bennett he lived with ushis rookie year in the PRCA and
when he first was was startingat Rodeo hard and just being
around them guys and and justkind of I mean Casey is a big
one for kind of letting yourbody develop and because I mean
he's got, he's had some injuriesbut he, you know, started a
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little later that 16, 17 yearrange and and you know, in my
opinion he's the best to ever doit.
So I mean it's I wouldn't lookat it as a shame or or feeling
like you're behind.
I mean as as long as you'restudying the game and you know,
putting in the work, notnecessarily in the arena, but
putting in the work outside thearena, I think the most
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important part and what whatreally makes you succeed in the
Rodeo industry.
But your dad's a coach right,yeah, yep, so my dad is a coach
for Utah Valley University andyou know he's had some awesome
people there and and I've beenable to be a part and just get
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so much insight and learn fromhim.
You know what he's seeing andother people do and and kind of
not necessarily avoiding us fromthat, but just kind of, you
know, having that in our minds.
You know this is the fix this,this way or or that way and type
of deal, and you know he's notalways picking about bad.
(11:08):
You know you say you know watchthese guys, they do this really
good and and it it really helpsthem here and and, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So so you get a lot of you.
You have instinct, but you geta lot of your knowledge for
through your dad.
And and you being in thebusiness fighting with other
people.
But so how long has your dadbeen a coach?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So he's been a coach I think 11 years.
So he took over right afterLouis Fields.
So I mean another big industryguy and just being able to be
around those types of people isit's really been.
I've been blessed with thepeople I know in the industry
and the people I've been around.
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Okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Man, you always talk about other people.
Have you noticed that?
Yeah, yeah, dude your dad hasbeen there for 11 years.
He has.
If you do something right andyou being starting at 17 and 22
now you're, you're doing prettygood yourself, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean I I feel like I should,
you know, be at a, at a you knowbetter place than I am, but you
know, I'm just going to trustthe timing.
I'm.
I'm really, but lately, beenfocused on not putting a
timeline on things and, you know, making sure I'm doing them
right, instead of getting in agame when I'm not fully know how
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to handle the situation and andthe guy ends up getting hurt
and you know that's on us andand I mean that's what the
people that I have around mehave been good for.
They're like you know you couldfix this.
You know, look at this and youknow that'll put you right in
that spot where you want to beand and take you to that next
level.
But I've had, I've had some bigpeople you know help me and be
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there along the way.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And it seems like you're one of those ones that
are, are good people and and aregood enough to take you know
the critiques and the criticismand then work on it.
A lot of people go in one yearand out the other and not even
like they'll just block them out.
So yeah, man, that's good,that's good.
You're ahead of your time, man,by the way.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Thank you, just let you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
what you're spitting, man, right now is a lot of
wisdom, and you got it, man.
You got it, just give it time.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, just just a little more development and
critiquing some things, andwe'll be there.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
So protection or freestyle,pick one.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know I like they're both awesome.
But you know I got to go withthe rodeo.
I mean, it's just, it's whatI'm passionate about and and
just the people in the industryare just just the.
The, the people and the placesyou get to see with rodeo is
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just awesome and everybody'sthere to, you know, enjoy the
what the Western sport and youknow, because there's just so
much that's going on that peopleget to see and rodeo I just
think it's a different,different atmosphere.
It's a lot more positive,positive and just, you know,
kind of laid back and enjoy it.
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You know it's it's what's funand and it's just awesome to see
, to be around them horses andand the cattle and everything
like that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Being 22,.
You also, you know, doing bothfreestyle and also protection.
You were part of the UBF,correct?
You've had a couple stents inthe UBF.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yep, yep.
So I've had a couple fights inthe UBF and then I got I tore my
shoulder last summer one oftheir and an event they had and
I just really haven't quite beenmade it back to the freestyle.
But this, this next year, Iplan on hitting it pretty hard
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and going to quite a few to atleast make the finals run and
and make it to the finals and,you know, hopefully do some good
there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Who's the big dog for you, man, in the sport?
Who's the one that you knowfreestyle wise?
Who's the one that you're like?
All right, man, this guy's thegoat, but it's time for you know
me to beat the guy or something.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
A guy that's that's been reeking a lot of havoc and
it is just phenomenal, is ChanceMormon.
I mean, he wins a lot, hehandles them both so good, you
know, and and I wouldn'tnecessarily put me in the same
class as him, but you know, Ifeel like I'm starting to figure
it out a little more and and beable to make those tough reads
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or get out of some situationsthat you know are unforeseen and
kind of you get yourself in andthat bull fights.
But yeah, that man is, he'skind of a freaking nature in the
way he throws his fakes and theway he's able to.
You know, get them balls to moveover and and everything like
that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You guys, you guys shared the same birth though,
man.
Yeah, yeah, same birth withthem.
So I'm just saying all rightyeah yeah, yeah, you know, if
you weren't fighting what, what,what event would you do if you
weren't?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
fine, I'd be team roping, yeah.
So my, yeah, we do a lot ofteam roping here.
We raise, we raise a few horsesand train them here, and you
know we've got some good horsescoming up and you know, and I I
roped a lot in high school.
That's that's what I competedin and the high school and then
I just kind of Okay, notnecessarily quit, but it was
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just taking up some time where Ithought I could be spending,
you know, trying to further mycareer and and make me better
bullfighting lies then thenspend that time roping and stuff
.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I got to ask you a header or a healer.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I I healed in high school.
When I graduated high school, Istarted to head a little bit
and I really enjoyed heading alot more.
I think it's, I think it's funbeing able to read a barrier and
, and you know, get out andscore them, score them steers as
well as set, set a good steerup for a guy to.
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You know, knock down and heal.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I've had this conversation a couple of times
and I got to ask you which one'seasier.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's definitely easier, in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, I mean you don'thave to worry about the timing
of that shear hop and or if he'sdragging or anything like that,
you know, you just stick it onthe horns and set one up to go
left.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
All right, man, I've had some interesting
conversations like you knowwhat's easier, and then if
they're a header, they're like ahealer, it's like whatever.
Yeah, you know what the healeris.
The most difficult part?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Favorite event to watch whenyou have downtime in an event,
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which one do you sit there andjust watch?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
if you do that, yeah, yeah, I mean I definitely do.
I think probably the breakawayrope, I mean just the quality of
the horses that are going downand as well as, like your rodeo
athletes, are just phenomenal.
I mean, when a 1-9 wins a rodeoor even a 2-5, it's just crazy.
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And then just watching themhorses work, and I mean as soon
as they throw that rope, theirhorses are in the dirt just
flying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's like quick draw man, butwith a rope.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh yeah, Exactly yeah .
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, what do you think of brown and Massey?
You know doing the bulls or thecalf's, you know steer
wrestling bulldog in for 3.9 orless than four seconds.
That's self-fit, is impressive,man.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's steer wrestling.
That is a complicated game, butwhen they throw good, I mean it
looks awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But yeah, just the breakaway.
I just like watching themhorses and how they ride their
horses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I'm going to go see a breakaway.
Well, I'm going to go to arodeo tonight and it's a huge
breakaway.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, the first performance.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know on a Saturday night who's the one
athletes, male or female.
When you're out there andthey're there, you stop and
watch.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Man, I mean I kind of got some people on about every
event, but I just have you knowit's got to be case.
He feels I know that's going tobe a common answer and
necessarily a basic answer.
But just that man is, he's, youknow, creeping up on that 40
mark, 30, 36 or something likethat, and he just he's riding so
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good that he just looks likehe's in his prime.
He's just so fast.
He just makes it look prettyclose to perfect every ride and
I'm just it's just unbelievableto watch.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Favorite bullfighter.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know that's a tough question.
I mean you can break it down inso many different categories,
but it's probably got to be CodyWebster.
He just has so much fun doingit and just you know, so cool
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and so calm.
And yeah, it's got to be Codybull rider bull rider.
I mean we've, we've got somepretty good guys, you know,
right here out of Utah Heck yeah, yeah we've got some phenomenal
talent.
It's came out of Utah the lastthree years but so and I really
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like to watch is and it's got tobe probably Hayes way right now
because he's just ridingphenomenal and just kicking the
lights out and you know, we wentto school together from
elementary school all the way tohigh school, so just seeing
kind of a hometown guy justknock it out of the park is is
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awesome to see To do bothprotection and freestyle.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
How do you maintain fitness throughout the week?
Do I mean?
Do you have a strict regimen?
Do you follow it?
Nutrition wise?
How do you, how do you stayhealthy day in, day out, to
continue to do what you do everyweekend?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah.
So fitness wise, you know I goto the gym.
I try to go four, five,sometimes six times a week.
You know the main things Ifocus on are are legs.
So I'll, and kind of just likeI'm, my main date the gym is,
you know, I'm going to go get onthe treadmill, kind of walk,
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kind of, you know, get thingsloosened up a little bit and
then run for about a quarter tohalf a mile.
Then I'll go to kind of a roomin the back and then I'll throw.
I'll throw fake, so I throw mypigs to the right and then to
the left for about 40,.
I'd have a timer, so I set 40seconds to the right and then 40
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seconds to the left, and thenI'll kind of slow down, take a
break, really, just because I'mtrying to put on a little more
weight and a little more musclemass.
So I'll kind of slow my mylifts down and just kind of lift
hard.
And then I stretch at the endof every workout and I make sure
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to stretch my legs, keep themloose, keep them limber, just so
you know if I get in a spotwhere I take a, a shot, kind of
a shot in a bad place.
You know I'm able to kind ofbend or stay loose when I need
to, to not, you know, tear orbreak something.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So Since you've stuck on that regimen five to six
days a week in the gym and doingwhat you're doing, and it's
helped so far.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's been awesome.
Just because you know I'm notworrying about if I'm doing
enough at the rodeos.
You know I just I just knowI've been putting my time in and
putting putting some theprocess in so I can just go and
just kind of muscle memory andjust kind of see my shots, see
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my reads and kind of go to them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And when you're on the road, is it?
Anything goes to the tummy?
Yeah, do you do stick to foodthat is home cooked and you take
on the road kind of thing, orNot necessarily don't cook, you
know, take home cooked meals.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
but you know, if I'm going to a rodeo and I know I'm
going to fight that night, youknow I try to keep good, clean
meals and go to, you know, somenot necessarily fast food.
Go to some like nicer places,like meters or something where
you're going to get a good,healthy, healthy meal and just
kind of easy on the stomach.
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Try to stay away from greasyfoods and heavy food, just
because you know it just kind ofslows you down, makes you kind
of feel sick a little bit whenyou get amped up and in your
nerves like that.
So I just try to, you know, eatsome greens, you know some,
whether it be like a sound likea sandwich or I really like
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sandwich or chicken on the daysto go to the rodeo, just because
it's light, it's not supergreasy most of the time and I
try to eat some fruits, somevegetables, just kind of some
lighter stuff, and then I'll eat, you know, whatever after the
rodeo.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How do you, how long do you think you have it in this
game, man?
Do you have a timeline or areyou just going to go?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
as far as you can go.
I don't necessarily want to takeit to kind of necessarily milk
it out.
As long as I can.
You know, I want to get in theindustry, be able to, you know,
reach a little havoc, cause alittle damage, you know, against
some of the big rodeos andstuff, and hopefully set some
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things up.
You know, as I'm making money,buy some property, you know, be
able to raise some cows andstuff.
But you know, I've probably 10,10 years, 10 to 12 years, and
then I've got some other goalsand businesses and some other
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ventures.
I want to try to go on and do.
What do you do for downtime?
It just depends.
Well, I really haven't had muchdowntime.
I've kind of been this summer.
I've kind of been hobbled up alittle bit when I did have
downtime.
But I just take care of somecows I got.
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So I've got six Mexicanfighting cows that I raise and
take to some different rodeosand stuff.
So if I'm really hunger andjust want to go fight, I'll take
them over to the college arenaand or them and we kind of have
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a little turn back and we canset up and I'll go fight them
and have some fun, get back tothe fundamentals and tune up.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
See, I'm a nature guy man, I love nature, and when I
watch your videos, thosemountains in the background that
just surround your guys' pan orrodeo event, it's just mind
blowing and it's just like doyou ever take advantage of just
climbing or hiking thosemountains?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean, when it here in a month and a half is
my favorite time of year, it'snot in the rodeo arena, it is
out in the woods chasing bugleand out.
That is just my passion andthat's something that you don't
ever get to experience untilyou're right in the middle of
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them and just everything isgoing crazy and it's just
awesome.
But yeah, we tried to go tosome lakes.
I mean, we don't like to sitaround at the arena for too long
because if you're sittingaround or you're thinking about
it, you're thinking you get themdoubts that'll creep in.
So we tried to either go to thelake or some different rodeos
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have some events going on.
So over the fourth we wereplaying in a cornhole tournament
or doing something just kind ofnot necessarily think about
rodeo, but yeah, the mountainsare phenomenal and it's just
awesome.
I've been to some places whereyou don't have mountains and
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you're like man, I can neverlive without them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, Exactly like Kansas or Nebraska.
It's like wow, and why wouldsomebody live here?
No fans guys, the listenersthat are in those areas.
But it's just like, once youhave mountains, especially those
pristine mountains that youlive around, I wouldn't want to
live anywhere else, yeah yeah,it's awesome and just what
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you're able to see to animalwise and then mountains.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I mean we've got Mule there, we've got elk, we've got
bears, we've got lions.
I mean you don't necessarilysee the bears and the lions all
the time and we've got no, no,no, you definitely don't.
Yeah, especially the lions.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Lions make me a little nervous, but yes, because
once you see it, it's too late.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So when you're packing you know just going up
the mountains to hunt andeverything else.
And first of all, have youheard any of the podcasts?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, yes, I've listened to some episodes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
All right.
So you know what I'm going toask you.
Are you a cheese sandwich guyor a peanut butter jelly
sandwich guy?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know I don't necessarily understand the
cheese sandwich.
You know where that comes from,but you know definitely peanut
butter and jelly.
But when we're hunting stuff westill like to try to eat fairly
good.
So I mean, we've got somefreeze-riding meals that we just
boil some water at it into andwe try to take up some,
(30:33):
especially you know where wehunt.
I mean there's a lot of wildraspberries.
Oh, I can only imagine.
Yeah Well, the wild raspberries.
We try to eat them and justdrink a lot of water, try to
stay, you know, hydrated andbecause it's pretty easy to not
drink water and get distractedup there and get yourself in the
top spot.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, well, it's funny how you say you don't
understand the cheese sandwich.
Yeah, talking to another personlike I just don't understand,
but it's a thing.
So yeah, if you had to chooselet's say you had peanut butter,
jelly sandwich stuff and thenjust a cheese and bread thing
you would pick peanut butter,jelly sandwich, peanut butter.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Do you eat enough of those to talk about one?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, not necessarily.
I mean, you know most of thetime when we're eating, you know
the uncrustables or somethinglike that.
You know just something quick.
Yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, you know, I had to ask that because, man,
there's some guys, especially,you know, james Hankinson.
The third will say why didn'tyou ask Draper?
The question and a lot ofpeople ask they get upset if I
don't ask that question.
You know, yeah, no.
Speaking of the third, he saidBA, I don't know if you cuss,
(31:53):
but he said BA bro.
Yeah, okay.
He said badass bro, good pal ofmine, he's a great kid.
That's what he said.
Yeah, so just telling you yeah,but no he's got all me.
He's like you didn't ask thatperson this, you didn't ask that
person that.
So I had to ask no, yeah, itblows my mind that how far
(32:17):
cheese sandwiches goes in therodeo, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, you know it's cheap and easy.
I guess you know.
But you get, you get going andI that's all you can get, that's
all you can get Well.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
First I thought peanut butter jelly sandwich was
the cheap and easy, because Itake it out and it's easy,
something you know substance tojust fill your body when you're
out there climbing mountains anddoing you know running trails
and everything.
But man, you guys got me beatenwith the cheese sandwich and
I'm not going to try it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So, and also the peanut butter jelly sandwich
conversation.
It's also personality finder,so that's why I ask that
question.
So here's another one, let's.
I know you probably watchmovies, but what's your favorite
Adam Sandler movie.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And it's got to be grownups, both of them, because
they're yeah, they're just justclassic.
I mean it's kind of, you know,we've got jokes that run around
in our family or friend grouplike that.
I mean we just, you know, getourselves in some dumb spots and
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What pumps you up or what gets you ready day in, day
out, when you're at an event andready to perform?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You know I've got some music.
I got like a playlist that Ikind of queue up and I mean it,
just you know puts me in thatmindset and kind of amps me up
but also kind of slows my bringdown and just you know not
necessarily get to think andjust you know, see it, you know
go.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
The first that has said music.
So my question to you?
Because a lot of people, justlike man, I just read Bible
verses or I just get you know inthe zone and clear everything
out and just stay away frompeople, do my thing and then bam
, ready to perform.
So number one song on yourplaylist.
Don't lie too.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I've got some good ones, but it's probably got to
be the suicide boys.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You're one of those, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, I would never have expected that, yeah, I mean
, I mean it's definitely.
I don't listen to that everyday, but you know, that's just
something that just I hear thatkind of triggers me into that
mindset, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, man, so you really get pumped up there's
some people that won't do itbecause you know they have to be
ready to perform.
But, man, you're like me, man,that's great, that's great.
That's why you're on thispodcast, because, dude, right
before I perform, you know, do atrail or do a race, man, I just
have to listen to something tohype me up.
(35:06):
So that's good that.
I know that's what gets yougoing.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
All right, so I'll tell you asecret.
There's a guy that I had onGabriel Garner.
He's like dude you know it getsme pumped up, and he said music,
but he was like you wouldn'tbelieve what music gets me
pumped up.
(35:26):
Katy Perry, man Katy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Perry, you play that dark horse.
I can get pumped up to darkhorse, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You guys are crazy, man, what's?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I mean it just takes you back, I guess I mean that's
what it does for me.
It takes me back to when I wasa little younger teenage years
and you just held on wheels.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Taylor Swift and you know I didn't believe him at
first, right, but then he sentme a video of him and his boys
traveling to the next you knowevent and yeah, lo and behold,
man, he was in the Californiagirls.
Man, I'm like, wow, oh man, Allright, Well, if you do that,
(36:13):
let me know.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
All right, all right, I'm on my way man, it's a good
jokester man.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Ultimate goal in fighting.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know my ultimate goals are is I definitely want
to win a world title in thefreestyle industry because that
is something that you know I cancontrol and you know work
towards.
But I also want to want to makethe NFR, and end of goal is
(36:45):
probably just get that cowboyfull fighter of the year.
Buckle would be, would be myend goal.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
What's on your bucket list?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know I've got one .
This is, you know, kind ofgoing back to after the rodeo.
After my time in.
I really want to start a summerlong rodeo school here in Utah
where you can get some of these.
You know older, older athletesthat aren't can't necessarily go
(37:20):
down the road all the time butcan teach you and I think this
is something that's big in theindustry that they don't teach
us.
You know how to enter rodeos,how to travel, how to make it
best for your money and maybelook at you know where, where
you know you get in a tough spotin September where you need
(37:42):
that extra five, 10,000.
You know what rodeos could youenter and, and you know, make it
logistically possible.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, so so basically showing younger, crowd the
ropes and paint it forward.
Yeah yeah, that's awesome, man.
That's awesome, see, when yougot a kind heart.
Has anybody said that?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I heard everyone throw out, but not every day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Well, I know it sounds weird for a male to say
that, but do you do?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
like a social worker.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'm a social worker, right, and you, you look out for
other people, man, it's crazynot not a lot of athletes do
that, but you do so.
You got a kind heart, man.
I appreciate that.
What's next?
When's your next rodeo?
What's next for now, until theend of the season?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So my season is kind of coming pretty close to an end
.
So I got, next Thursday I havea rodeo in Spanish for Utah, so
it's the Utah County Fair.
It's an awesome event, likeit's a.
It's a free rodeo, everybody'sfree emissions.
And then you know, we, we puton a little rodeo, we, we bought
(38:54):
fair back horses, albroncourses, they got some bow
racing and we buck some bulls.
And then, you know, you get thengo enjoy the fair and it it's a
really cool atmosphere forcontestants because there's I
mean, obviously we just had thebig rodeo here, the fiesta days
rodeo, where there's 8000 peoplein the seats, but but these
(39:18):
guys don't necessarily get toexperience that all the time.
So there's, I would say there'sprobably close to five, 5000
people that come and watch.
All the stands are pretty muchfilled and there's just a lot of
people, good energy, and andthen after that I've got up so
I'm taking my cows to a deal fordoing a bullfight in Dushane,
(39:43):
utah, for the Dushane CountyFair, and then that's kind of
all I've got booked and thentowards the end of August I'll
be on the mountain guidingElkins for the next three weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
God, is there anything you don't do?
And man, I'm surprised you havetime to do.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I was bad, but wow, yeah, beat me Jeez.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
What about?
What about a fight with yourold buddy man, james in the
third, as I call him the third,and he knows.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I love to, you know, fight
with him.
I mean we met at Dusty Tugnaschool in July 2020.
So he's kind of got me in upthere at Trice State.
You know, I've been able towork the few bullrinds and some
few deals with them and and nextyear sounds like we'll have
(40:41):
I'll have a pretty good, mighthave a good opportunity to go up
and spend a lot of time in thatOregon, Idaho country and be
able to, you know, spend sometime, be able to go to some
rodeos with him, Nice.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, man, he talked about kind heart.
He's the nicest one of thenicest people, him and Roy
Jackson.
I compare Roy Jackson.
I don't know if you know RoyJackson.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
All right.
Well, they're hand in hand, man.
They're both badasses on thedirt and then badasses in real
life, man.
That when I say badass, it'snot derogatory, especially in
real life.
No, yeah, actually sit thereand talk to you and just be
there for you in the moment or,you know, be with you in the
moment and just share thoughtsand feelings about the rodeo
(41:30):
life and encourage you to not beafraid but to better yourself,
dude you know, like they'vehelped me out in this podcast
world especially.
You know me, I don't look thepart as a spectator or as a you
know.
Just, I don't wear cowboy hats,you know, I don't.
(41:50):
I don't.
I wear flip flops and shorts.
Sometimes, you know.
And then sometimes I know I'mnot going to get close to the
shoe.
But yeah, I respect it.
But I like to be myself.
But you know, it's just, theyaccept anybody and just
encourage you to continue to beyourself.
Do your thing because you're.
(42:12):
You know they say you're goodat it or great at it yeah you
know, and so it's like, well,it's uplifting to be around them
.
So I can see why you speakhighly of the third.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, and that is that is a man I trusted there in
any day of the week.
I mean we went, we went to dealout in Colorado.
I mean I was in the fall ofOctober 2022 and I mean then,
bulls, they were bucking, theywere, they were all there and
they they had some.
He and you know we just handledthem like it was nothing and
(42:47):
yeah, and it was.
I mean that is definitely thethe meanest and scariest and
I've ever fought my life and youknow we just kept it rolling
and you know, didn't think twiceabout it and it was.
It was awesome, smooth and andjust, you know, one guy, if one
kind of went after a guy, wecatch him underneath and just
(43:09):
kind of roll him off and just gowith it.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
And one thing I've noticed, though man, you in the
third, you guys never talk liketalk about yourself, man, how
great you guys are, how good youguys are.
You know, it's just like on,just just another day, it's like
no it's not man yeah, rock it.
And there's a reason why you'rebeing called in and out and back
(43:33):
into.
You know these rodeos, theseevents and it.
Just that should say it enough.
You know, and that should fillyour bucket alone, instead of
some old guy, 41 year old guythat dresses in flip flops and
shorts at the age of 40 years,respects everybody's, you know
space and enjoy the moment.
(43:54):
But, dude, it's like, come onman, come on you and the third.
You guys need to be like dude,we're going to take the world,
we're going to grab it by thehorns and just control our own
destiny.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
And that's what's been crazy about this last month
is, you know, my social mediais kind of been blowing up a
little bit over a video and youknow it's, and that's kind of,
you know, going to be.
Social media is kind of abigger part of my approach into
the PRCA.
I think it's an advantage thatyou can have as well.
(44:32):
But yeah, you know how to, howto kid at the first of the month
, get, get knocked out and justyou know was able to handle the
situation good, get that bullout.
And I mean it's got prettyclose to 250,000 views on
(44:52):
Instagram and then it's gotpretty close to 135,000 on
TikTok.
So I mean it's just been agreat opportunity for me, just
because I get to show what I dofor a job and how a situation
(45:15):
was able to be handled and blackeverything.
You got those people on socialmedia who kind of talk, give you
a little bit of criticism andI'm like I've had some guys that
are super high in the industrycomment to me I was a really
(45:39):
good way to handle that and youdid a great job, and it's just
like I don't want it to affectme.
I try to go through and likeevery one of the comments and
it's not a big deal to me.
I'm not going to let it getunder my skin because you have
control over your emotions andit's not going to change your
(45:59):
job, what you do.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
The positive ones.
Take those in.
Stop reading the comments.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Stop reading the comments.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's the worst you could do.
But before we end this man, didI leave anything out?
Would you like to add anything?
You know?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I just it's being a part of this industry, has been,
you know.
I've enjoyed it and been a partof it all my life, you know.
But I think one thing we coulddo better is stop making it such
a hard door to get into, youknow.
I mean, just, if people arefans of rodeo you know this is
(46:44):
something we got to, we got to,you know, leave a positive
impact on, because if you knowwe act wrong or you know we're
kind of judgmental about thesepeople come to the rodeos or
being a fan of it, you knowthat's going to leave a bad
impression on them and then, youknow it's going to kind of
snowball from there.
But just be be.
(47:07):
You know, I always like to bethankful, you know, thank the
guys for their help, you know,thank the guys for hiring me,
you know, and when I get outtalking to fans, you know I
always thank them for coming,you know, because they're the
ones that are able to have theseevents for you know, these are
the people that are funding therodeos and being able to make it
(47:28):
a way of life and a living forus guys.
So I mean, if we could just,you know, open the door a little
bit.
I mean, yeah, they're not goingto have you know the nicest
cowboy hat or whatever, but theydon't matter.
These guys are fans of thesport and you know, just make
somebody stay I mean, you caneither be the reason their day's
bad or good and, I think,positive energy.
(47:51):
It's not necessarily going togo further, but I think it just
makes everything go smoother andit'll come back one day.
You know, catch up with you oneday.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I appreciate that man , I really do, and not too many
people talk about that, you know, in the rodeo world.
And yeah, I appreciate thosewords.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
And.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I understand what you're coming at, where you're
coming from, and we'll leave itthere because I know the more
you speak out, especiallyagainst the grain and less
opportunity.
So, but I'm going to tell youthis man, I know what you're
talking about, I see it, I'mdealing with it myself and we
(48:37):
won't go any further.
But dude, just you being honest, humble, it means a lot and I'm
pretty sure the listeners herewill understand.
You know how hard of a workeryou are, how humble you are and
be maybe possibly your biggestfan besides me and your family.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, and the third I'm pretty sure the third guy is
up there too.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, yeah, Nick.
No, I'm the biggest fan family,and then maybe you on the
bottom, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
And this sport has so much potential of being
something big but we just got topromote it a different way and
you know, but that's something Ithink they're kind of working
on and figuring out.
The Cowboy Channel has beengreat for that kid.
You're able to especially withthese athletes families, because
they're able to watch themwherever they go and you know
(49:39):
they get hung up somewhere, theycan figure out or like, get
hurt or get in a hurry situation.
They can figure out.
You know somebody to help themor something like that.
And that's awesome and I thinkit's made a lot of helped.
A lot of people come in andunderstand the sport a little
more than what they did before.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
So I appreciate you, man, I really do.
I appreciate your time, Ireally hopefully, you know a lot
of people come in they're like,oh, they're nervous, you know
like the third.
But then it comes to find outthey start settling in and get
more comfortable and they likeknock it out of the park.
So my question to you is isthis a lot easier than you
thought?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think , just in anything with life, I
mean, it's as big as a monsteras you make it.
So I mean you just got to lookat it as you know, you got to
take the opportunity foreverything and be able to, you
know, hopefully make it a goodone.
And I appreciate, you know, theopportunity to be on here,
(50:43):
because this isn't something,you know, that is a regular
thing for me and I think it's,you know, it's just spreading
the sport and promoting thesport in a different manner, in
a different light, but also asan opportunity to bring some new
people in and, you know, makethe fans bigger fans, which I
(51:04):
think is awesome.
So I really appreciate you andall you do and putting the time
to make these podcasts good and,you know, and bring a good
message out for every, every oneof them.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, thank you, man, it means a lot.
You and the third have saidnothing but positive things, and
other people too.
So, yeah, I've noticed mycircle, especially my, my
running circle.
You know races, ultra marathonsand everything else.
It's pretty cool to hear themsay you know what?
I was never in a rodeo, neverwas a spectator, but you know,
(51:43):
after all these guys that youhave on it, you made me a
believer and you know what?
I went to my first rodeo, youknow.
And then you get these rodeoguys.
You get the rodeo guys.
You know, especially East Coastguys that I have on the podcast
as well.
They're like you know what?
I never ran, I just, I just ranto, like, you know, stay fit,
(52:03):
maybe not even a mile, but thenthey're like I ran 5k or I ran
10 miles, man, and if it wasn'tfor you, you know, or the
podcast.
I wouldn't have done all that.
So it works both ways, and tosee both worlds come together
and just, you know, learn fromeach other, it's awesome, man.
(52:23):
So I appreciate you, you knowsaying that.
So, but yeah, man, when do you?
Do you have your PRCA card yet?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Nope.
So I am just waiting on mybullfighting letters,
bullfighter letters, Okay, andyou know I've got some pretty
big dogs that are that are goingto vouch for me, so I'm just
waiting for them.
To you know, give me the okay,and then we're just going to hit
(52:53):
the ground running and getgoing on the path.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
So Okay, when you get that card, can I have you back
on?
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome, I'd love to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
All right, man, I'll see you next time.
Okay, all right, thank you somuch.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, thank you.
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Draper, how are?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
you, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I mean great day Well off day is a great day Any day,
correct?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean we try to keep things good around here, keep
the positive energy, and justtry not let things affect us so
we don't have control over Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You're in Utah, a lot of I mean the water.
It has to be the water, correct?
Yeah, because there's a lot ofrodeo studs, athletes that come
out of there and it just seemslike you, just you guys just
roll with the punches, man, isit the water or is it just?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
yeah, I mean I would give a lot of the success to the
high school rodeo associationthat's coming up.
I mean it's just thecontestants and just the quality
.
Like I know the numbers havekind of dropped off a little bit
the rough stock and stuff, buta lot of that's the deal with
gas prices and everything theretoo.
(01:28):
But just there's such acompetition and it's such high
quality athletes here that youkind of just got to rise and got
to rise to the occasion and begood, just because there's so
much of the tradition of therodeo and ranching and that it's
(01:48):
just these guys are doing itand starting it from such a
young age that you kind of gotto be on the book and get going
with it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, notice that you mentioned everybody else, but
not yourself, when it comes toUtah athletes.
So let's change that.
Let's change that.
Yeah, I want you to know that.
Not everybody does protectionand freestyle.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
No no, not everybody does and it's here there's just
a ton of guys.
So I mean I've kind of got myfeet wet and other places, just
because all the contractors gottheir guys and I'm like, well,
if this is really want somethingI want to do, I'm not just
(02:40):
going to focus on the rodeosthat we got here, I want to go
other places.
I want to see some differentcountry and build the around
different guys that aren't inthe state to see how they handle
things, how the livestockchanges from state to state and
(03:00):
just how the attitude and theatmosphere of rodeo changes.
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So, with the protection and the freestyle,
what allows you to do both ofthem?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean honestly it's.
My opinion is, if a guy reallywants to have a career and fight
bulls, I think you got to startout at the freestyles because
you learn how to handle them hotbulls and how to be able to
(03:36):
feel confident stepping aroundthem, them big, hot, juicy stuff
.
That if you get in a wrecksituation that you can stay calm
, knowing that you put in thework and have the confidence to
be able to work something likethat.
And that's just myrecommendation and guys think
(03:57):
other opinions, but that's justmy opinion and what I think.
Because I think you got to haveconfidence.
Especially if you're going tosave a guy in trouble, you got
to know where the pocket is toget in and how to handle them
bulls and get in the right leadand set them bulls up and take
care of them to get them out ofthere.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you being Utah, you talking about other people,
we're finally talking about you.
How did it all start with you?
How old were you when you gotinvolved in the rodeo scene?
When did you find outbullfighting was for you, I mean
?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I started from, I mean basically when I was born.
I mean we've got photos of meand stuff where, like I'm on a
horse.
I've got photos of me when I'mlike two riding the sheep.
I mean I've competed ineverything rodeo event-wise.
I mean I've barrel-raised,pole-banded, goat-tied.
I mean I rode barebacks insaddle Bronx in junior high and
(05:03):
I rode bulls for a while andthen team rode calf-rope,
steer-wrestle.
So I've had.
I kind of had my hand ineverything rodeo event-wise.
And when was it?
Probably 14 or 15.
So I met Aaron Ferguson at my.
He was one of my buddies or myuncle's groomsmen at his wedding
(05:28):
and this was kind of before theBFO started, but he was kind of
talking about getting thisstarted up and I'm like I've
kind of heard the old-timerfreestyle stories and I think I
think that'd be awesome.
I mean I think that's somethingwhere you get to be the baddest
dude in any room because you'refighting these bulls that are
(05:50):
full head of steam and you canjust walk around and I'm like a
cool cat.
I'm like it's just kind ofsomething I want to figure out
and do.
And we were doing a fundraiserI just barely for my dad's rodeo
team.
So Utah Valley University.
We were doing a rodeofundraiser for him and it was
(06:13):
actually a pretty coolexperience.
So we had a bunch ofphotographers come and we were
just going to kind of put on alittle rodeo and do a little
ranching for him.
So they got these bulls andI've been talking to the guys
around here.
I'm like, hey, I want to start,like what do I need?
And they kind of told me what Ineeded to kind of start.
(06:37):
And then so I got all my stuffand kind of got into working
with that and they just kind offed me to the wolves.
And I mean, ever since thatfirst day, it's just… Never
looked back, really.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, and you're Owl.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So I was 17 when I first started, so you fairly
turned 17.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
A lot of.
I've been running into a lot ofrodeo athletes, athletes in
general, and they callthemselves a late bloomer.
Do you consider yourself a latebloomer because you started to
save 17?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean I wouldn't necessarily call it a late
bloomer, you know, I thinkthat's kind of about the right
time to start.
And especially, you know, inthe bullfight game I think some
kids can get hurt and get insome real trouble if they start
too young and not necessarilyfully develop.
But growth-wise, yeah I think akid can get in some trouble.
(07:34):
But I mean I think that's aboutthe right time for me to start.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's good.
You're the first that's eversaid that man, by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, Seriously, everybody's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Everybody thinks they should start like eight years
old or something like that.
And there are.
There's a lot of them out there.
But every time I get somebodythat starts at 16 or 17, they're
like I'm a late bloomer andthey're just like it's almost
frowned upon.
But I'm just like, thingshappen for a reason.
You're here, for a reasonYou're killing the game.
I mean, you really have tobuild them up, but they really
(08:07):
are down on themselves when theystart 18, 19, 20.
And it's just.
It's good to hear somethingdifferent.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, and I mean I understand where them guys are
coming from, but at the sametime, like it's, it's, this is a
game where you know you want tobe fully grown and fully
developed, where you're notnecessarily, you know, because
you get some wrecks and you knowyou break a growth plate when
you're 13, 14, you're going tohave one leg that shorter than
(08:39):
the other, like it's just.
It's just something that andespecially in this game, you're
going to have injuries come up.
So if you start a little later,you know, get some muscle and
and tone on your bones, I meanyou're not necessarily going to
get hurt as much, I think, andbe able to take some of them
shots and and you know it'sstill going to be sore, but I
(09:04):
think you're, you're going topay off in the end.
That's a I don't know man.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You got a lot of insight.
You got a lot of insight.
So so we're, we're.
I'm just going to ask you,where do you get all this
insight from?
It sounds like you got an oldman that's in the game himself.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah.
So so my dad's, you know he's Imean he's awesome, I mean he's
he's put me in front of somereally important people and kind
of really big people in theindustry.
So I mean Casey Fields he justlives right down the road from
us, a mile.
(09:41):
Caleb Bennett he lived with ushis rookie year in the PRCA and
when he first was was startingat Rodeo hard and just being
around them guys and and justkind of I mean Casey is a big
one for kind of letting yourbody develop and because I mean
he's got, he's had some injuriesbut he, you know, started a
(10:04):
little later that 16, 17 yearrange and and you know, in my
opinion he's the best to ever doit.
So I mean it's I wouldn't lookat it as a shame or or feeling
like you're behind.
I mean as as long as you'restudying the game and you know,
putting in the work, notnecessarily in the arena, but
putting in the work outside thearena, I think the most
(10:26):
important part and what whatreally makes you succeed in the
Rodeo industry.
But your dad's a coach right,yeah, yep, so my dad is a coach
for Utah Valley University andyou know he's had some awesome
people there and and I've beenable to be a part and just get
(10:46):
so much insight and learn fromhim.
You know what he's seeing andother people do and and kind of
not necessarily avoiding us fromthat, but just kind of, you
know, having that in our minds.
You know this is the fix this,this way or or that way and type
of deal, and you know he's notalways picking about bad.
(11:08):
You know you say you know watchthese guys, they do this really
good and and it it really helpsthem here and and, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So so you get a lot of you.
You have instinct, but you geta lot of your knowledge for
through your dad.
And and you being in thebusiness fighting with other
people.
But so how long has your dadbeen a coach?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So he's been a coach I think 11 years.
So he took over right afterLouis Fields.
So I mean another big industryguy and just being able to be
around those types of people isit's really been.
I've been blessed with thepeople I know in the industry
and the people I've been around.
(11:53):
Okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Man, you always talk about other people.
Have you noticed that?
Yeah, yeah, dude your dad hasbeen there for 11 years.
He has.
If you do something right andyou being starting at 17 and 22
now you're, you're doing prettygood yourself, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean I I feel like I should,
you know, be at a, at a you knowbetter place than I am, but you
know, I'm just going to trustthe timing.
I'm.
I'm really, but lately, beenfocused on not putting a
timeline on things and, you know, making sure I'm doing them
right, instead of getting in agame when I'm not fully know how
(12:39):
to handle the situation and andthe guy ends up getting hurt
and you know that's on us andand I mean that's what the
people that I have around mehave been good for.
They're like you know you couldfix this.
You know, look at this and youknow that'll put you right in
that spot where you want to beand and take you to that next
level.
But I've had, I've had some bigpeople you know help me and be
(13:04):
there along the way.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And it seems like you're one of those ones that
are, are good people and and aregood enough to take you know
the critiques and the criticismand then work on it.
A lot of people go in one yearand out the other and not even
like they'll just block them out.
So yeah, man, that's good,that's good.
You're ahead of your time, man,by the way.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Thank you, just let you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
what you're spitting, man, right now is a lot of
wisdom, and you got it, man.
You got it, just give it time.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, just just a little more development and
critiquing some things, andwe'll be there.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
So protection or freestyle,pick one.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know I like they're both awesome.
But you know I got to go withthe rodeo.
I mean, it's just, it's whatI'm passionate about and and
just the people in the industryare just just the.
The, the people and the placesyou get to see with rodeo is
(14:10):
just awesome and everybody'sthere to, you know, enjoy the
what the Western sport and youknow, because there's just so
much that's going on that peopleget to see and rodeo I just
think it's a different,different atmosphere.
It's a lot more positive,positive and just, you know,
kind of laid back and enjoy it.
(14:31):
You know it's it's what's funand and it's just awesome to see
, to be around them horses andand the cattle and everything
like that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Being 22,.
You also, you know, doing bothfreestyle and also protection.
You were part of the UBF,correct?
You've had a couple stents inthe UBF.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yep, yep.
So I've had a couple fights inthe UBF and then I got I tore my
shoulder last summer one oftheir and an event they had and
I just really haven't quite beenmade it back to the freestyle.
But this, this next year, Iplan on hitting it pretty hard
(15:17):
and going to quite a few to atleast make the finals run and
and make it to the finals and,you know, hopefully do some good
there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Who's the big dog for you, man, in the sport?
Who's the one that you knowfreestyle wise?
Who's the one that you're like?
All right, man, this guy's thegoat, but it's time for you know
me to beat the guy or something.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
A guy that's that's been reeking a lot of havoc and
it is just phenomenal, is ChanceMormon.
I mean, he wins a lot, hehandles them both so good, you
know, and and I wouldn'tnecessarily put me in the same
class as him, but you know, Ifeel like I'm starting to figure
it out a little more and and beable to make those tough reads
(16:05):
or get out of some situationsthat you know are unforeseen and
kind of you get yourself in andthat bull fights.
But yeah, that man is, he'skind of a freaking nature in the
way he throws his fakes and theway he's able to.
You know, get them balls to moveover and and everything like
that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You guys, you guys shared the same birth though,
man.
Yeah, yeah, same birth withthem.
So I'm just saying all rightyeah yeah, yeah, you know, if
you weren't fighting what, what,what event would you do if you
weren't?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
fine, I'd be team roping, yeah.
So my, yeah, we do a lot ofteam roping here.
We raise, we raise a few horsesand train them here, and you
know we've got some good horsescoming up and you know, and I I
roped a lot in high school.
That's that's what I competedin and the high school and then
I just kind of Okay, notnecessarily quit, but it was
(17:06):
just taking up some time where Ithought I could be spending,
you know, trying to further mycareer and and make me better
bullfighting lies then thenspend that time roping and stuff
.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I got to ask you a header or a healer.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I I healed in high school.
When I graduated high school, Istarted to head a little bit
and I really enjoyed heading alot more.
I think it's, I think it's funbeing able to read a barrier and
, and you know, get out andscore them, score them steers as
well as set, set a good steerup for a guy to.
(17:43):
You know, knock down and heal.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I've had this conversation a couple of times
and I got to ask you which one'seasier.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's definitely easier, in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, I mean you don'thave to worry about the timing
of that shear hop and or if he'sdragging or anything like that,
you know, you just stick it onthe horns and set one up to go
left.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
All right, man, I've had some interesting
conversations like you knowwhat's easier, and then if
they're a header, they're like ahealer, it's like whatever.
Yeah, you know what the healeris.
The most difficult part?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Favorite event to watch whenyou have downtime in an event,
(18:33):
which one do you sit there andjust watch?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
if you do that, yeah, yeah, I mean I definitely do.
I think probably the breakawayrope, I mean just the quality of
the horses that are going downand as well as, like your rodeo
athletes, are just phenomenal.
I mean, when a 1-9 wins a rodeoor even a 2-5, it's just crazy.
(18:55):
And then just watching themhorses work, and I mean as soon
as they throw that rope, theirhorses are in the dirt just
flying.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's like quick draw man, butwith a rope.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh yeah, Exactly yeah .
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, what do you think of brown and Massey?
You know doing the bulls or thecalf's, you know steer
wrestling bulldog in for 3.9 orless than four seconds.
That's self-fit, is impressive,man.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's steer wrestling.
That is a complicated game, butwhen they throw good, I mean it
looks awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But yeah, just the breakaway.
I just like watching themhorses and how they ride their
horses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I'm going to go see a breakaway.
Well, I'm going to go to arodeo tonight and it's a huge
breakaway.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, the first performance.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know on a Saturday night who's the one
athletes, male or female.
When you're out there andthey're there, you stop and
watch.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Man, I mean I kind of got some people on about every
event, but I just have you knowit's got to be case.
He feels I know that's going tobe a common answer and
necessarily a basic answer.
But just that man is, he's, youknow, creeping up on that 40
mark, 30, 36 or something likethat, and he just he's riding so
(20:33):
good that he just looks likehe's in his prime.
He's just so fast.
He just makes it look prettyclose to perfect every ride and
I'm just it's just unbelievableto watch.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Favorite bullfighter.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know that's a tough question.
I mean you can break it down inso many different categories,
but it's probably got to be CodyWebster.
He just has so much fun doingit and just you know, so cool
(21:14):
and so calm.
And yeah, it's got to be Codybull rider bull rider.
I mean we've, we've got somepretty good guys, you know,
right here out of Utah Heck yeah, yeah we've got some phenomenal
talent.
It's came out of Utah the lastthree years but so and I really
(21:36):
like to watch is and it's got tobe probably Hayes way right now
because he's just ridingphenomenal and just kicking the
lights out and you know, we wentto school together from
elementary school all the way tohigh school, so just seeing
kind of a hometown guy justknock it out of the park is is
(21:58):
awesome to see To do bothprotection and freestyle.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
How do you maintain fitness throughout the week?
Do I mean?
Do you have a strict regimen?
Do you follow it?
Nutrition wise?
How do you, how do you stayhealthy day in, day out, to
continue to do what you do everyweekend?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah.
So fitness wise, you know I goto the gym.
I try to go four, five,sometimes six times a week.
You know the main things Ifocus on are are legs.
So I'll, and kind of just likeI'm, my main date the gym is,
you know, I'm going to go get onthe treadmill, kind of walk,
(22:41):
kind of, you know, get thingsloosened up a little bit and
then run for about a quarter tohalf a mile.
Then I'll go to kind of a roomin the back and then I'll throw.
I'll throw fake, so I throw mypigs to the right and then to
the left for about 40,.
I'd have a timer, so I set 40seconds to the right and then 40
(23:04):
seconds to the left, and thenI'll kind of slow down, take a
break, really, just because I'mtrying to put on a little more
weight and a little more musclemass.
So I'll kind of slow my mylifts down and just kind of lift
hard.
And then I stretch at the endof every workout and I make sure
(23:26):
to stretch my legs, keep themloose, keep them limber, just so
you know if I get in a spotwhere I take a, a shot, kind of
a shot in a bad place.
You know I'm able to kind ofbend or stay loose when I need
to, to not, you know, tear orbreak something.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So Since you've stuck on that regimen five to six
days a week in the gym and doingwhat you're doing, and it's
helped so far.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's been awesome.
Just because you know I'm notworrying about if I'm doing
enough at the rodeos.
You know I just I just knowI've been putting my time in and
putting putting some theprocess in so I can just go and
just kind of muscle memory andjust kind of see my shots, see
(24:14):
my reads and kind of go to them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And when you're on the road, is it?
Anything goes to the tummy?
Yeah, do you do stick to foodthat is home cooked and you take
on the road kind of thing, orNot necessarily don't cook, you
know, take home cooked meals.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
but you know, if I'm going to a rodeo and I know I'm
going to fight that night, youknow I try to keep good, clean
meals and go to, you know, somenot necessarily fast food.
Go to some like nicer places,like meters or something where
you're going to get a good,healthy, healthy meal and just
kind of easy on the stomach.
(24:55):
Try to stay away from greasyfoods and heavy food, just
because you know it just kind ofslows you down, makes you kind
of feel sick a little bit whenyou get amped up and in your
nerves like that.
So I just try to, you know, eatsome greens, you know some,
whether it be like a sound likea sandwich or I really like
(25:18):
sandwich or chicken on the daysto go to the rodeo, just because
it's light, it's not supergreasy most of the time and I
try to eat some fruits, somevegetables, just kind of some
lighter stuff, and then I'll eat, you know, whatever after the
rodeo.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How do you, how long do you think you have it in this
game, man?
Do you have a timeline or areyou just going to go?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
as far as you can go.
I don't necessarily want to takeit to kind of necessarily milk
it out.
As long as I can.
You know, I want to get in theindustry, be able to, you know,
reach a little havoc, cause alittle damage, you know, against
some of the big rodeos andstuff, and hopefully set some
(26:02):
things up.
You know, as I'm making money,buy some property, you know, be
able to raise some cows andstuff.
But you know, I've probably 10,10 years, 10 to 12 years, and
then I've got some other goalsand businesses and some other
(26:26):
ventures.
I want to try to go on and do.
What do you do for downtime?
It just depends.
Well, I really haven't had muchdowntime.
I've kind of been this summer.
I've kind of been hobbled up alittle bit when I did have
downtime.
But I just take care of somecows I got.
(26:48):
So I've got six Mexicanfighting cows that I raise and
take to some different rodeosand stuff.
So if I'm really hunger andjust want to go fight, I'll take
them over to the college arenaand or them and we kind of have
(27:09):
a little turn back and we canset up and I'll go fight them
and have some fun, get back tothe fundamentals and tune up.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
See, I'm a nature guy man, I love nature, and when I
watch your videos, thosemountains in the background that
just surround your guys' pan orrodeo event, it's just mind
blowing and it's just like doyou ever take advantage of just
climbing or hiking thosemountains?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean, when it here in a month and a half is
my favorite time of year, it'snot in the rodeo arena, it is
out in the woods chasing bugleand out.
That is just my passion andthat's something that you don't
ever get to experience untilyou're right in the middle of
(28:03):
them and just everything isgoing crazy and it's just
awesome.
But yeah, we tried to go tosome lakes.
I mean, we don't like to sitaround at the arena for too long
because if you're sittingaround or you're thinking about
it, you're thinking you get themdoubts that'll creep in.
So we tried to either go to thelake or some different rodeos
(28:28):
have some events going on.
So over the fourth we wereplaying in a cornhole tournament
or doing something just kind ofnot necessarily think about
rodeo, but yeah, the mountainsare phenomenal and it's just
awesome.
I've been to some places whereyou don't have mountains and
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you're like man, I can neverlive without them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, Exactly like Kansas or Nebraska.
It's like wow, and why wouldsomebody live here?
No fans guys, the listenersthat are in those areas.
But it's just like, once youhave mountains, especially those
pristine mountains that youlive around, I wouldn't want to
live anywhere else, yeah yeah,it's awesome and just what
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you're able to see to animalwise and then mountains.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I mean we've got Mule there, we've got elk, we've got
bears, we've got lions.
I mean you don't necessarilysee the bears and the lions all
the time and we've got no, no,no, you definitely don't.
Yeah, especially the lions.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Lions make me a little nervous, but yes, because
once you see it, it's too late.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So when you're packing you know just going up
the mountains to hunt andeverything else.
And first of all, have youheard any of the podcasts?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, yes, I've listened to some episodes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
All right.
So you know what I'm going toask you.
Are you a cheese sandwich guyor a peanut butter jelly
sandwich guy?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know I don't necessarily understand the
cheese sandwich.
You know where that comes from,but you know definitely peanut
butter and jelly.
But when we're hunting stuff westill like to try to eat fairly
good.
So I mean, we've got somefreeze-riding meals that we just
boil some water at it into andwe try to take up some,
(30:33):
especially you know where wehunt.
I mean there's a lot of wildraspberries.
Oh, I can only imagine.
Yeah Well, the wild raspberries.
We try to eat them and justdrink a lot of water, try to
stay, you know, hydrated andbecause it's pretty easy to not
drink water and get distractedup there and get yourself in the
top spot.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, well, it's funny how you say you don't
understand the cheese sandwich.
Yeah, talking to another personlike I just don't understand,
but it's a thing.
So yeah, if you had to chooselet's say you had peanut butter,
jelly sandwich stuff and thenjust a cheese and bread thing
you would pick peanut butter,jelly sandwich, peanut butter.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Do you eat enough of those to talk about one?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, not necessarily.
I mean, you know most of thetime when we're eating, you know
the uncrustables or somethinglike that.
You know just something quick.
Yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, you know, I had to ask that because, man,
there's some guys, especially,you know, james Hankinson.
The third will say why didn'tyou ask Draper?
The question and a lot ofpeople ask they get upset if I
don't ask that question.
You know, yeah, no.
Speaking of the third, he saidBA, I don't know if you cuss,
(31:53):
but he said BA bro.
Yeah, okay.
He said badass bro, good pal ofmine, he's a great kid.
That's what he said.
Yeah, so just telling you yeah,but no he's got all me.
He's like you didn't ask thatperson this, you didn't ask that
person that.
So I had to ask no, yeah, itblows my mind that how far
(32:17):
cheese sandwiches goes in therodeo, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, you know it's cheap and easy.
I guess you know.
But you get, you get going andI that's all you can get, that's
all you can get Well.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
First I thought peanut butter jelly sandwich was
the cheap and easy, because Itake it out and it's easy,
something you know substance tojust fill your body when you're
out there climbing mountains anddoing you know running trails
and everything.
But man, you guys got me beatenwith the cheese sandwich and
I'm not going to try it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So, and also the peanut butter jelly sandwich
conversation.
It's also personality finder,so that's why I ask that
question.
So here's another one, let's.
I know you probably watchmovies, but what's your favorite
Adam Sandler movie.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And it's got to be grownups, both of them, because
they're yeah, they're just justclassic.
I mean it's kind of, you know,we've got jokes that run around
in our family or friend grouplike that.
I mean we just, you know, getourselves in some dumb spots and
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What pumps you up or what gets you ready day in, day
out, when you're at an event andready to perform?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
You know I've got some music.
I got like a playlist that Ikind of queue up and I mean it,
just you know puts me in thatmindset and kind of amps me up
but also kind of slows my bringdown and just you know not
necessarily get to think andjust you know, see it, you know
go.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
The first that has said music.
So my question to you?
Because a lot of people, justlike man, I just read Bible
verses or I just get you know inthe zone and clear everything
out and just stay away frompeople, do my thing and then bam
, ready to perform.
So number one song on yourplaylist.
Don't lie too.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I've got some good ones, but it's probably got to
be the suicide boys.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You're one of those, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, I would never have expected that, yeah, I mean
, I mean it's definitely.
I don't listen to that everyday, but you know, that's just
something that just I hear thatkind of triggers me into that
mindset, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, man, so you really get pumped up there's
some people that won't do itbecause you know they have to be
ready to perform.
But, man, you're like me, man,that's great, that's great.
That's why you're on thispodcast, because, dude, right
before I perform, you know, do atrail or do a race, man, I just
have to listen to something tohype me up.
(35:06):
So that's good that.
I know that's what gets yougoing.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
All right, so I'll tell you asecret.
There's a guy that I had onGabriel Garner.
He's like dude you know it getsme pumped up, and he said music,
but he was like you wouldn'tbelieve what music gets me
pumped up.
(35:26):
Katy Perry, man Katy.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Perry, you play that dark horse.
I can get pumped up to darkhorse, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You guys are crazy, man, what's?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I mean it just takes you back, I guess I mean that's
what it does for me.
It takes me back to when I wasa little younger teenage years
and you just held on wheels.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Taylor Swift and you know I didn't believe him at
first, right, but then he sentme a video of him and his boys
traveling to the next you knowevent and yeah, lo and behold,
man, he was in the Californiagirls.
Man, I'm like, wow, oh man, Allright, Well, if you do that,
(36:13):
let me know.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
All right, all right, I'm on my way man, it's a good
jokester man.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Ultimate goal in fighting.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know my ultimate goals are is I definitely want
to win a world title in thefreestyle industry because that
is something that you know I cancontrol and you know work
towards.
But I also want to want to makethe NFR, and end of goal is
(36:45):
probably just get that cowboyfull fighter of the year.
Buckle would be, would be myend goal.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
What's on your bucket list?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know I've got one .
This is, you know, kind ofgoing back to after the rodeo.
After my time in.
I really want to start a summerlong rodeo school here in Utah
where you can get some of these.
You know older, older athletesthat aren't can't necessarily go
(37:20):
down the road all the time butcan teach you and I think this
is something that's big in theindustry that they don't teach
us.
You know how to enter rodeos,how to travel, how to make it
best for your money and maybelook at you know where, where
you know you get in a tough spotin September where you need
(37:42):
that extra five, 10,000.
You know what rodeos could youenter and, and you know, make it
logistically possible.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, so so basically showing younger, crowd the
ropes and paint it forward.
Yeah yeah, that's awesome, man.
That's awesome, see, when yougot a kind heart.
Has anybody said that?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I heard everyone throw out, but not every day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Well, I know it sounds weird for a male to say
that, but do you do?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
like a social worker.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'm a social worker, right, and you, you look out for
other people, man, it's crazynot not a lot of athletes do
that, but you do so.
You got a kind heart, man.
I appreciate that.
What's next?
When's your next rodeo?
What's next for now, until theend of the season?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So my season is kind of coming pretty close to an end
.
So I got, next Thursday I havea rodeo in Spanish for Utah, so
it's the Utah County Fair.
It's an awesome event, likeit's a.
It's a free rodeo, everybody'sfree emissions.
And then you know, we, we puton a little rodeo, we, we bought
(38:54):
fair back horses, albroncourses, they got some bow
racing and we buck some bulls.
And then, you know, you get thengo enjoy the fair and it it's a
really cool atmosphere forcontestants because there's I
mean, obviously we just had thebig rodeo here, the fiesta days
rodeo, where there's 8000 peoplein the seats, but but these
(39:18):
guys don't necessarily get toexperience that all the time.
So there's, I would say there'sprobably close to five, 5000
people that come and watch.
All the stands are pretty muchfilled and there's just a lot of
people, good energy, and andthen after that I've got up so
I'm taking my cows to a deal fordoing a bullfight in Dushane,
(39:43):
utah, for the Dushane CountyFair, and then that's kind of
all I've got booked and thentowards the end of August I'll
be on the mountain guidingElkins for the next three weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
God, is there anything you don't do?
And man, I'm surprised you havetime to do.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I was bad, but wow, yeah, beat me Jeez.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
What about?
What about a fight with yourold buddy man, james in the
third, as I call him the third,and he knows.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I love to, you know, fight
with him.
I mean we met at Dusty Tugnaschool in July 2020.
So he's kind of got me in upthere at Trice State.
You know, I've been able towork the few bullrinds and some
few deals with them and and nextyear sounds like we'll have
(40:41):
I'll have a pretty good, mighthave a good opportunity to go up
and spend a lot of time in thatOregon, Idaho country and be
able to, you know, spend sometime, be able to go to some
rodeos with him, Nice.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, man, he talked about kind heart.
He's the nicest one of thenicest people, him and Roy
Jackson.
I compare Roy Jackson.
I don't know if you know RoyJackson.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
All right.
Well, they're hand in hand, man.
They're both badasses on thedirt and then badasses in real
life, man.
That when I say badass, it'snot derogatory, especially in
real life.
No, yeah, actually sit thereand talk to you and just be
there for you in the moment or,you know, be with you in the
moment and just share thoughtsand feelings about the rodeo
(41:30):
life and encourage you to not beafraid but to better yourself,
dude you know, like they'vehelped me out in this podcast
world especially.
You know me, I don't look thepart as a spectator or as a you
know.
Just, I don't wear cowboy hats,you know, I don't.
(41:50):
I don't.
I wear flip flops and shorts.
Sometimes, you know.
And then sometimes I know I'mnot going to get close to the
shoe.
But yeah, I respect it.
But I like to be myself.
But you know, it's just, theyaccept anybody and just
encourage you to continue to beyourself.
Do your thing because you're.
(42:12):
You know they say you're goodat it or great at it yeah you
know, and so it's like, well,it's uplifting to be around them
.
So I can see why you speakhighly of the third.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, and that is that is a man I trusted there in
any day of the week.
I mean we went, we went to dealout in Colorado.
I mean I was in the fall ofOctober 2022 and I mean then,
bulls, they were bucking, theywere, they were all there and
they they had some.
He and you know we just handledthem like it was nothing and
(42:47):
yeah, and it was.
I mean that is definitely thethe meanest and scariest and
I've ever fought my life and youknow we just kept it rolling
and you know, didn't think twiceabout it and it was.
It was awesome, smooth and andjust, you know, one guy, if one
kind of went after a guy, wecatch him underneath and just
(43:09):
kind of roll him off and just gowith it.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
And one thing I've noticed, though man, you in the
third, you guys never talk liketalk about yourself, man, how
great you guys are, how good youguys are.
You know, it's just like on,just just another day, it's like
no it's not man yeah, rock it.
And there's a reason why you'rebeing called in and out and back
(43:33):
into.
You know these rodeos, theseevents and it.
Just that should say it enough.
You know, and that should fillyour bucket alone, instead of
some old guy, 41 year old guythat dresses in flip flops and
shorts at the age of 40 years,respects everybody's, you know
space and enjoy the moment.
(43:54):
But, dude, it's like, come onman, come on you and the third.
You guys need to be like dude,we're going to take the world,
we're going to grab it by thehorns and just control our own
destiny.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
And that's what's been crazy about this last month
is, you know, my social mediais kind of been blowing up a
little bit over a video and youknow it's, and that's kind of,
you know, going to be.
Social media is kind of abigger part of my approach into
the PRCA.
I think it's an advantage thatyou can have as well.
(44:32):
But yeah, you know how to, howto kid at the first of the month
, get, get knocked out and justyou know was able to handle the
situation good, get that bullout.
And I mean it's got prettyclose to 250,000 views on
(44:52):
Instagram and then it's gotpretty close to 135,000 on
TikTok.
So I mean it's just been agreat opportunity for me, just
because I get to show what I dofor a job and how a situation
(45:15):
was able to be handled and blackeverything.
You got those people on socialmedia who kind of talk, give you
a little bit of criticism andI'm like I've had some guys that
are super high in the industrycomment to me I was a really
(45:39):
good way to handle that and youdid a great job, and it's just
like I don't want it to affectme.
I try to go through and likeevery one of the comments and
it's not a big deal to me.
I'm not going to let it getunder my skin because you have
control over your emotions andit's not going to change your
(45:59):
job, what you do.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
The positive ones.
Take those in.
Stop reading the comments.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Stop reading the comments.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's the worst you could do.
But before we end this man, didI leave anything out?
Would you like to add anything?
You know?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I just it's being a part of this industry, has been,
you know.
I've enjoyed it and been a partof it all my life, you know.
But I think one thing we coulddo better is stop making it such
a hard door to get into, youknow.
I mean, just, if people arefans of rodeo you know this is
(46:44):
something we got to, we got to,you know, leave a positive
impact on, because if you knowwe act wrong or you know we're
kind of judgmental about thesepeople come to the rodeos or
being a fan of it, you knowthat's going to leave a bad
impression on them and then, youknow it's going to kind of
snowball from there.
But just be be.
(47:07):
You know, I always like to bethankful, you know, thank the
guys for their help, you know,thank the guys for hiring me,
you know, and when I get outtalking to fans, you know I
always thank them for coming,you know, because they're the
ones that are able to have theseevents for you know, these are
the people that are funding therodeos and being able to make it
(47:28):
a way of life and a living forus guys.
So I mean, if we could just,you know, open the door a little
bit.
I mean, yeah, they're not goingto have you know the nicest
cowboy hat or whatever, but theydon't matter.
These guys are fans of thesport and you know, just make
somebody stay I mean, you caneither be the reason their day's
bad or good and, I think,positive energy.
(47:51):
It's not necessarily going togo further, but I think it just
makes everything go smoother andit'll come back one day.
You know, catch up with you oneday.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I appreciate that man , I really do, and not too many
people talk about that, you know, in the rodeo world.
And yeah, I appreciate thosewords.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
And.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I understand what you're coming at, where you're
coming from, and we'll leave itthere because I know the more
you speak out, especiallyagainst the grain and less
opportunity.
So, but I'm going to tell youthis man, I know what you're
talking about, I see it, I'mdealing with it myself and we
(48:37):
won't go any further.
But dude, just you being honest, humble, it means a lot and I'm
pretty sure the listeners herewill understand.
You know how hard of a workeryou are, how humble you are and
be maybe possibly your biggestfan besides me and your family.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, and the third I'm pretty sure the third guy is
up there too.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, yeah, Nick.
No, I'm the biggest fan family,and then maybe you on the
bottom, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
And this sport has so much potential of being
something big but we just got topromote it a different way and
you know, but that's something Ithink they're kind of working
on and figuring out.
The Cowboy Channel has beengreat for that kid.
You're able to especially withthese athletes families, because
they're able to watch themwherever they go and you know
(49:39):
they get hung up somewhere, theycan figure out or like, get
hurt or get in a hurry situation.
They can figure out.
You know somebody to help themor something like that.
And that's awesome and I thinkit's made a lot of helped.
A lot of people come in andunderstand the sport a little
more than what they did before.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
So I appreciate you, man, I really do.
I appreciate your time, Ireally hopefully, you know a lot
of people come in they're like,oh, they're nervous, you know
like the third.
But then it comes to find outthey start settling in and get
more comfortable and they likeknock it out of the park.
So my question to you is isthis a lot easier than you
thought?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think , just in anything with life, I
mean, it's as big as a monsteras you make it.
So I mean you just got to lookat it as you know, you got to
take the opportunity foreverything and be able to, you
know, hopefully make it a goodone.
And I appreciate, you know, theopportunity to be on here,
(50:43):
because this isn't something,you know, that is a regular
thing for me and I think it's,you know, it's just spreading
the sport and promoting thesport in a different manner, in
a different light, but also asan opportunity to bring some new
people in and, you know, makethe fans bigger fans, which I
(51:04):
think is awesome.
So I really appreciate you andall you do and putting the time
to make these podcasts good and,you know, and bring a good
message out for every, every oneof them.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, thank you, man, it means a lot.
You and the third have saidnothing but positive things, and
other people too.
So, yeah, I've noticed mycircle, especially my, my
running circle.
You know races, ultra marathonsand everything else.
It's pretty cool to hear themsay you know what?
I was never in a rodeo, neverwas a spectator, but you know,
(51:43):
after all these guys that youhave on it, you made me a
believer and you know what?
I went to my first rodeo, youknow.
And then you get these rodeoguys.
You get the rodeo guys.
You know, especially East Coastguys that I have on the podcast
as well.
They're like you know what?
I never ran, I just, I just ranto, like, you know, stay fit,
(52:03):
maybe not even a mile, but thenthey're like I ran 5k or I ran
10 miles, man, and if it wasn'tfor you, you know, or the
podcast.
I wouldn't have done all that.
So it works both ways, and tosee both worlds come together
and just, you know, learn fromeach other, it's awesome, man.
(52:23):
So I appreciate you, you knowsaying that.
So, but yeah, man, when do you?
Do you have your PRCA card yet?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Nope.
So I am just waiting on mybullfighting letters,
bullfighter letters, Okay, andyou know I've got some pretty
big dogs that are that are goingto vouch for me, so I'm just
waiting for them.
To you know, give me the okay,and then we're just going to hit
(52:53):
the ground running and getgoing on the path.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
So Okay, when you get that card, can I have you back
on?
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome, I'd love to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
All right, man, I'll see you next time.
Okay, all right, thank you somuch.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, thank you.
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