March 5, 2025 • 45 mins
Welcome to the "Militarily Speaking" podcast with Tom McLean and Jodi Vickery.
In this episode of “Militarily Speaking,” Tom and Jodi sit down with Ashley Gutermuth—military spouse, stand-up comedian, and podcast host. Known for her witty perspective and observations on life as a military spouse and relationships, Ashley discusses her unique journey, comedic inspirations, and her passion for advocating for military spouses.
“Militarily Speaking” is a podcast produced by Armed Forces Bank that is dedicated to the military lifestyle and all the things that makes the military community who they are.
Ep. 74 – How to Find Humor in Military Life (Even When It’s Tough) with Ashley Gutermuth
Ashley Gutermuth isn't just a stand-up comedian; she's a world traveler with performances spanning the globe—Japan, the UK, Germany, and even Greenland. Her award-winning show, "Ashley Gutermuth is Hard to Pronounce," has captivated audiences everywhere. Despite her extensive travel schedule, she now aims to focus on more localized performances, staying closer to her new home in New York City.
Finding Humor in Everyday Challenges
Jodi and Tom commend Ashley for her ability to find humor in the everyday challenges of military life. Ashley shares her experiences moving frequently and the comedic potential in the unexpected events faced by military families. From running daily for nearly ten years, experiencing PCS moves, to humorous interactions at military events, her life is full of stories that resonate with many who have lived the military lifestyle.
Inspirational Advocacy and Giving Back
Beyond comedy, Ashley is committed to advocacy work for military spouses, addressing issues like unemployment and food insecurity. Her passion for helping others is evident in her involvement with initiatives like Stronghold Food Pantry, where she delivers gift cards and support to military families globally.
Advice for Aspiring Comedians
Throughout the episode, Ashley shares insights for those interested in pursuing a career in comedy. She emphasizes the importance of resilience, advising aspiring comedians to put themselves out there, whether it's through open mic nights or social media, and to embrace failure as part of the journey. Her candid approach to comedy and life is both refreshing and motivating.
A Session Filled with Laughter
The podcast episode isn't all earnest discussion. Tom, Jodi, and Ashley share lighthearted moments, reminiscing about favorite sitcom episodes and joking about everyday life scenarios. Ashley's quick wit and genuine personality shine through, leaving listeners entertained and inspired.
Ashley hopes that her performances leave audiences feeling uplifted and connected. She invites those interested in following her journey or booking her for events to visit her website, AshleyGutermuth.com. Her laughter-filled perspective on life highlights the power of humor in overcoming life's challenges, particularly within the military community.
Military Minute
Jodi introduces the Military Minute segment of the show, beginning by closing out last episode’s Military Minute.
● Last episode’s Military Minute: Who is the French artist famous for his water lilies paintings?
● Answer: Claude Monet
● This week’s Military Minute question: According to the Rolling Stone Magazine, who is the best stand up comedian of all time?
● Watch for Facebook and Instagram posts about this episode.
● Answer with the correct answer and you plus a charity of your choice can each win $50.
● After a winning selection, Military Minute participants are eligible for another selection after 12 months.
Tom closes the episode by asking listeners to go to www.afbank.
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Tom (00:00):
Militarily Speaking, Episode 74, Ashley Gudermuth.
Jodi (00:05):
This episode, we talk with Ashley Gudermuth, military spouse and comedian.
Tom (00:22):
Welcome to Militarily Speaking, brought to you by Armed Forces Bank.
This is Tom McClain and Jody Vickery.
I'm the comedian and the military retail executive forArmed Forces Bank, and Jody is pretty solemn, and she's the executive vice president director of consumer banking.
Well, I'm part of the chief, canI call you chief digital officer?
You could.
(00:43):
That's like official.
So let's congratulate Jodi Ash becauseshe got, she just got promoted.
Jodi (00:49):
I'm not used to responding to that yet.
So funny story, I saw in a thing this week, somebody hadused the acronym CDO and I had to ask if that was me.
What
Ashley Gutermuth (00:59):
else?
Jodi (01:01):
Because I'm not used to it yet.
So yeah, it was kind of cool.
Promoted too.
Ashley Gutermuth (01:05):
And what's the promotion?
Jodi (01:07):
Uh, to the chief digital officer.
Chief
Ashley Gutermuth (01:09):
digital officer.
All right.
Are you getting bags of cash?
This is a
Jodi (01:12):
bag after all.
We definitely need to leave that in the podcast.
Give Jody more money.
Yes, we post this.
We need to block my boss from seeing it.
So yeah, we didn't get in trouble here.
Tom (01:24):
I'll have to come up with what CDO really means.
Jodi (01:27):
Right.
Yeah.
There's an alternative meeting, but anyway, we digress.
Welcome to our show.
We're excited to have you listening andlearning all about our guest, Ashley Gutermose.
But first I want to tell our audience a little bit about you.
So bear with us.
And Tom's going to try and not fangirlthrough the whole thing and ask you to end.
Tom (01:45):
You don't know that.
I'll tell you later.
Ashley, what's fangirls?
Ashley Gutermuth (01:48):
You're just like, you're just in love.
You're just in love.
It's like, I don't know.
Who else would you feel this way about Rod Stewart?
You might fangirl over Rod Stewart.
You don't have,
Tom (01:57):
you don't have Jerry Seinfeld's number, do you?
See, he's going to ask
Jodi (02:02):
you for contacts.
I'm going to ask you for Jimmy
Tom (02:04):
Fallon.
I'm going to ask you for all these contacts,or at least You can't help himself too.
People don't know
Ashley Gutermuth (02:08):
this, but Jerry Seinfeld's actually my husband.
That's why I never show him.
I don't want my career to be . That's really, Bruce is really
Jodi (02:15):
his cat is really his cat
So I'm gonna legit tell people real things about Ash real quick.
She's described by the New York Times as a quote unquotecomedian, so I'm not sure if this is in quote for reason.
We'll find out in the next hour.
Ashley is a standup comedian podcast host, so we're.
She's gonna bust us out today.
And actor, she appeared on TheTonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon.
(02:38):
Yes, Tom, now where you insert fangirl.
No, no, it's coming.
Where Jerry Seinfeld selected her asthe winner of the Seinfeld Challenge.
She performs globally with tour stops in Japan,the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey.
Don't eat the food while you're there, apparently, becausefood poisoning happens in Turkey, and even Greenland.
Her award winning Edinburgh Fringe show, Ashley Goodermuthis Hard to Pronounce, earned a five star review in 2024.
Tom (03:02):
Is that a real thing?
Jodi (03:04):
What?
That it's hard to pronounce?
No,
Tom (03:05):
the, it's a title of something.
Ashley Goodermuth is Hard to Pronounce?
Is that the actual name of it?
Jodi (03:09):
That's what I
Ashley Gutermuth (03:10):
named my show.
Tom (03:11):
That's pretty clever.
That sounds like, that sounds likea Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld thing.
That you would just come up with something that.
Cool.
Jodi (03:19):
Thank you.
Keep going.
Are you jealous, Tom?
I only have 500.
Listen to this.
You'll be super jealous.
With over 1.
7 million followers.
I don't know.
I've got
Tom (03:25):
500 connections on LinkedIn.
I think I'm cool.
That is cool.
It's more than one.
You've
Jodi (03:32):
arrived, Tom.
Goodenwoods regularly shares content on social media whereher videos about stand up and life as the spouse of a U. S. military service member have amassed over 800 million views.
Probably like your most recent post, I'm sure.
Can you keep going?
Yeah, she can be seen on the hitshow Office Joe on Amazon Prime.
There's no such
Tom (03:49):
thing as Office Joe.
Ashley Gutermuth (03:51):
Oh yeah, there is.
I'm in it and I play a saucy news reporter.
Tom (03:58):
I'm adding that to my list.
Tom
Jodi (03:59):
would like a guest appearance.
Yeah.
I think we're about to find out.
She has high energy.
She has a positive style of comedy, and it's irresistible.
Her comedy is focused on the unusual relationshipsand observations about life, and in 2021, she won the headliner category of the U. S. Comedy Contest.
When she is not performing stand up or acting, she is usuallyrunning and has a daily running streak that spans nine years.
(04:22):
I'm going to
Tom (04:23):
challenge that.
So my understanding is you've runevery day for nine consecutive years.
Ashley Gutermuth (04:27):
Challenge accepted, and yes, it'll be 10 years in January.
That's like Forrest Gump status.
Have I ever missed a day?
No.
Even though I was sick, I've never missed a day.
I've been hit by cars.
I've fallen in two gopher holes.
I've PCS'd seven times.
I've done it around the world.
Have I recently not eaten for two days after getting foodpoisoning and turkey and then had to run when I got home?
(04:49):
Yes.
Did it almost kill me?
Yes.
Tom (04:54):
Ashley is at the same distance every time
Ashley Gutermuth (04:57):
for the most part.
I've do three miles a day for the club,which is Ron streakers international.
You have to do at least a mile every day without stopping.
I've done that for 10 years, but for the past severalyears, I've done three to four miles every day.
I've gone up, I've done a little bit over more than a marathon.
But for the most part, I stick to three.
Jodi (05:16):
I got tired just hearing
Tom (05:17):
that.
What's the Guinness Book of World Recordsfor most consecutive days running?
Ashley Gutermuth (05:21):
Well, I'm actually kind of a baby in the group.
There's people that have done it for over 50 years.
Jodi (05:26):
Oh my gosh.
There's a woman
Ashley Gutermuth (05:27):
that has a streak nearly the same length as mine, and she had a baby and had a c section.
So can you imagine?
And which means she had to run that same day.
Doctors do not advise that.
She must have been like running around the hospital.
Yeah, well, some do that.
Yeah.
Jodi (05:45):
Yeah, I'd have to put my like garment or something on my dog and count that and let the dog runner give me credit.
Yeah, I should do that.
I put it on the cat, but he hasn't put it on Bruce.
Yeah, put it on Bruce.
Anyway, welcome, Ashley.
It's a honor to have you on our show.
I think we're going to have a good time today.
Thank you for being with us first and foremost andappreciate the time and maybe just to kick us off, tell our audience a little bit about you and your life.
(06:09):
Military, fellow military spouse, thank youfor your service and that of your husband.
And life as military spouse and comedian.
And Tom's looking at me like he'sjust dying to add to the question.
Tom (06:17):
Let me take this one for her.
Jodi (06:19):
Okay.
Oh, he's got it.
Tom (06:20):
By the way, your connections to the military, you got husband, Air Force reservist, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (06:24):
Yep, full timer.
Full time Air Force Reservist, yeah.
Tom (06:27):
Grandfather, Marine.
Uh, yes.
Father, Army.
Yep.
Son, Navy.
Ashley Gutermuth (06:33):
Yep.
Tom (06:34):
I'm surrounded.
Where, how about the Coast Guard and Space Force?
Do you feel like you're not complete?
Ashley Gutermuth (06:39):
Well, I do.
I was considering, I talked to my husband.
I said, should I get divorced so Ican marry somebody in the Space Force?
And he said, that doesn't exist, so there's no point.
But, hosties, yeah.
And they're such good swimmers.
Jodi (06:56):
You could do triathlons then instead of running every day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tom (07:00):
Now you're thinking Jody.
Jodi (07:01):
Anyway, I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about a little bit of background about you, something we wouldn't know about you and your bio.
Oh, something you wouldn't know about me.
Oh my god.
Feel free to filter as needed.
Ashley Gutermuth (07:11):
It does, it does feel like I've, is there anything left?
I was thinking today, do I have any secrets?
And I don't think I do because I can't keepmy mouth shut for more than 10 seconds.
Yes, I lived all over the place.
My dad was in the army, but he got out.
Like, as, certainly after I was born,but he was in a variety of the army.
(07:31):
I think he was in the, he was active duty, reservist, nationalguard, he like, he jumped all around as he would get fired at one place and then he'd have to join another brand.
But he sent the Marines to recruit me,sent them to the house at one point.
I'm not.
Smart enough or capable enough to be a Marine.
I do, I have crayons that I'm holding right now.
(07:52):
And I, I talked at a Marine ball once and it was wonderful.
Marine balls, you've never experienced it.
You have to go and it does notcompare to any other military ball.
But, uh, I'm on stage.
I had them all eat.
I said, does anybody want to eat crayons with me?
And they all did.
Uh, they did.
Unfortunately, if you ever eat a crayon, firstof all, do not offer a Marine a non crayola.
(08:14):
They will throw it back at you as they should.
You need name brand.
What I chose was red.
I chose the red crayon to eat and that was a mistakebecause then for the next week I was on mommy forum saying things like, Oh my God, why is, why is everything red?
Am I dying?
Um, it turns out there's just dyes in it.
So it's like, uh, you just think you're dying, but it's not.
(08:34):
That's what it's like.
Internal bleeding.
Internal bleeding.
I'm sure that's what Armed Forces Bank is looking for.
Yeah, definitely.
Tom (08:43):
Oh, I'm left handed.
What Jody forgot to say was youwere 2024 Spouse of the Year for U.
S. Veterans Magazine, is that right?
Well And the 2023 Armed ForcesInsurance Air Force Spouse of the Year.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:00):
Veterans Magazine was kind enough to put me on the cover, me with my chainsaw and my dress.
That picture comes up
Tom (09:07):
a lot if you Google Ashley, you'll, you'll see a lot of stuff come up when you Google Ashley, but yeah, that picture is, it's a cool image.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:15):
Yeah.
I like it.
That was, uh, the photographer didn't know I wasshowing up with a chainsaw, Jack Sadie in New Jersey.
We, he's done all my pictures and Ishowed up with a chainsaw and he was like.
Is there gas in that?
Like, what?
What are we doing here?
Let's just roll with it.
But that, that was really fun.
I got to get an updated one.
I don't know what next, like me and abulldozer or where does it go from there?
(09:37):
But
Jodi (09:37):
yeah, heavy farm machinery makes sense.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:39):
Heavy, heavy farm machinery.
Jodi (09:41):
Yeah.
Tom (09:44):
I can, I can move on.
You can.
So we're going to give credit where credit is due, right?
That Monica Bassett, we'll put a plug in for her.
And I appreciate what you do with Monicatoo, for tackling food insecurity.
That's a, Problematic over the, over the globe.
And so thank you for that.
She was the one that introduced me to you andshe stalked you as much as I tried to stalk you.
(10:05):
But, so talk about your travel schedule.
I know Renee's with us today.
Renee Fairchild, by the way, is with us today.
That your tour, how many, you went tofour, I heard you went to 14 countries.
Is that right?
Over the course of just this year or the last couple of years?
Ashley Gutermuth (10:19):
I think this year I did 12.
And can I tell you that 12 is too many.
Um, it's, it's too many to do in one year.
And, you know, our, uh, just Some fun travel facts.
You don't get as many stamps as you used to.
There's a lot, you don't get yourpassport stamps in as many places.
So that's not very exciting.
Yes.
I went, where did I go?
(10:39):
I went to Japan.
I went to England, the Netherlands, Belgium,Germany, Scotland, Greenland, Alaska.
I know Alaska is not another country, but it's considered that.
It's kind of far away.
It's considered Oconus.
It's for the, what I did.
And then, uh, we just recently went to Spain, Italy,Portugal, the Azores, which is part of Portugal.
(11:03):
I now know I learned, this is how I learned,um, geography is they take me around the world.
It was really neat to see all those different places.
And what I did was I petted the catsand the dogs and all the places.
And that, that was basically my whole,my whole trip was just me with cats.
Jodi (11:24):
Somebody had to
Ashley Gutermuth (11:24):
take care of the cats.
Tom (11:27):
So now that you live in New York, are you going to kind of set up shop there and try to be on some schedule for 2025?
Yes, for
Ashley Gutermuth (11:33):
the love of God, Tom.
I never want to travel again.
Tom (11:37):
So just do it all in New York, maybe LA once in a while, but just New York.
Ashley Gutermuth (11:42):
I, well, okay, so this is what normally happens.
I say I'm never traveling again.
And then it turns out I'm going somewhere in like three days.
Cause I got back from Turkey last week and then I had toleave about four days later to go to the shows in Seattle.
But I have a show this week.
I've got shows in Vermont, I've got shows in San Diego,I'm coming to the comedy store out there in February.
I'm definitely still doing sometraveling, but I'm going to limit it.
(12:05):
I want it to be U. S. based.
The United States.
I love it.
I know that you're kind of iffy on it, Tom, but I love the U. S.
Tom (12:17):
I was going to, I was going to coin you as the Bob Hope of the 20, 21st century.
Is that, is that fair or not?
Not yet.
Ashley Gutermuth (12:24):
I think that is, I think that is fair.
I think, didn't Bob Hope have a bunch of wives?
I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I, here's what I want.
This is my goal.
Actually.
I have a little nefarious thing with BobHope that we, we got the USOs, right?
With USOs that are in airports.
Here's what I want to do.
(12:45):
I want to take over.
I want to have like an ASO, Ashley ServiceOrganization, and they're going to be an airport, and you're going to be allowed to be in them regardless.
If you were in the military for a year, I want you to be ableto, because the USO, it gets so full, they can't take you once.
A lot of times, if you've retired, if you haven't,if you're not still in and all those different things, I want people to be able to go wherever.
(13:09):
That's one of my goals is to just knock out.
I'm going to compete with this free charity.
Just doing nice things.
Watch this.
I'll take your volunteers.
Tom (13:24):
That's that sounds like breaking news, though.
Yeah.
So it's a high take to you.
I
Ashley Gutermuth (13:28):
think it'll take me six months.
Tom (13:30):
Well,
Jodi (13:31):
I mean, I'm seeing a big cost plan, seeing a business plan in our future.
How did you how did you even get started in comedy?
Like, was is there we talked about your military connections.
Do you have?
Comedic connections in your past, oris this just something that is comedic?
Tom (13:46):
By the way, can I interrupt for a second?
Because that's my nature.
So you, you grew up listening to British comedy,but I'm not talking about British comedy.
I'm going to talk about Seinfeld for a second.
Can we?
Of course.
Favorite Seinfeld episode.
Oh,
the other cat is here, but yeah.
What favorite Seinfeld episode?
And now we're going to get into your termity.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:06):
Favorite Seinfeld episode.
I don't know.
It's hard for me to pick favorites off the topof my head, but I watched a lot of Seinfeld.
My grandma really loved Seinfeld andso it was always on at the house.
But there's some, uh, just, just any, butI haven't, do you have a favorite episode?
I can't think of a favorite one.
Tom (14:22):
I do.
There's, there's two of them.
So thanks for asking.
So remember when Kramer wanted towrite a book about coffee tables?
Ashley Gutermuth (14:29):
Yeah,
Tom (14:31):
and the other one was, uh, Renee knows this one pretty well, when they tried to reserve a car and Jerry and Elaine are there and they said, anyone can take a reservation, but can you hold the reservation?
Can you hold it?
It's a cool bit.
You ought to, you'll check that one out too.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:49):
You remember when Kramer invented the man's ear?
Tom (14:51):
Yes.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:52):
Yeah.
Tom (14:53):
And then, and then the, who was it, George's father was part of that too, right?
Yeah.
He was aware.
Ashley Gutermuth (15:00):
Yeah.
Tom (15:00):
Yeah.
I don't know.
You take such a simple thing, which is what comedyis, taking something simple, basic that's relatable.
And all of a sudden it's a, it's a huge success andit, that thing's going to live in infamy that show.
Yeah.
It's a great show.
My daughters don't like it, but I do.
Ashley Gutermuth (15:15):
Oh, my goodness.
Tom (15:16):
So let's talk about How
Ashley Gutermuth (15:17):
old are they?
Can you put them up for adoption?
Tom (15:19):
Hmm.
What's the, what's the legal answer?
I think they're legal and on theirown, so I know, they're 25 and 21.
Oh, they're already
Ashley Gutermuth (15:27):
out?
So yeah.
Jodi (15:27):
Just write them out, Will.
Tom (15:31):
25.
724612. Yeah.
All right.
So you fired a question at her.
Jodi (15:34):
I did, and you interrupted me.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah, no.
Tom (15:36):
Remember the question?
Yeah.
Jodi (15:38):
I just want to know how you got started
Ashley Gutermuth (15:40):
in this.
How did, how did I get started?
A lot of felonies.
So I can't get a job in an actual, like, regular place.
Uh, I, that was all, comedy is all I ever wanted to do.
And I've had a lot of other jobs, but yeah,just, I just didn't know how to make it happen.
Because it seems impossible and then you realizeyou just show up to open mic nights and fail a lot.
(16:02):
No
Jodi (16:03):
pressure then.
No pressure.
Tom (16:07):
What is, by the way, do you have any stats on how many people actually try comedy and don't make it?
Because you think about like going to Nashville, allthese country artists that probably just never make it.
But until you get that moment.
Ashley Gutermuth (16:19):
In, uh, January, that's usually people, it's their, like, New Year's resolution, so they, the open mics are more full, and by February, they're just like, oh, God, you know, you have to really, really want, there has to be
something inside of you that needs to get that out, otherwise,it's too much, there's, especially early on, there's so much waiting around, you know, I used to drive an hour, over an hour to get, put my name in a hat, to get three minutes.
(16:44):
Oh, wow.
And so you, so you might not even get thatthree minutes, but you've driven all that time.
So there's a lot of things like that,that you have to really want it.
Yeah.
Usually people quit within the first two years.
Tom (16:58):
Interesting stat.
Jodi (17:00):
So do you have people around you that had done this, or was this?
No.
No, my
Ashley Gutermuth (17:04):
family's pretty funny, though.
They're all, uh, pretty into that.
But, I liked Eddie Izzard, and a lot of British comedians.
I watched a lot of Monty Python, and Only Foolsand Horses, and some other niche type stuff.
Yeah.
Over there, buddy.
Tom (17:19):
Ash, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Ashley Gutermuth (17:21):
Yeah.
Tom (17:22):
Right?
Good one, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (17:24):
The Knights of Saint Nick.
Is this a shrubbery?
It's not a shrubbery.
I'll show you a shrubbery.
Tom (17:30):
I like when they make those little horse clapping noises.
Jodi (17:33):
Oh, yeah.
With the coconuts.
So is that what I'm going to hear out ofyour office for the rest of the afternoon?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll say.
Tom (17:41):
And then the limbs were, yeah, what a great, what a great, it's
Ashley Gutermuth (17:46):
almost
Tom (17:48):
like, it's almost like you watched it before you joined us today.
Ashley Gutermuth (17:51):
I did.
It just came out.
I'm watching it right now.
Tom (17:54):
While you're eating a crayon.
Yeah.
So, so material wise, and Renee can attest to thisbecause she saw it firsthand, but do you, um, Do you kind of have your baseline material when you go on, on a
gig or when you go to a comedy shop that you know, thisis, this is my material or do you just, you probably stay pretty current and you like to stay relevant.
(18:15):
So
Ashley Gutermuth (18:16):
I like to stay relevant.
Thank you.
Tom (18:17):
Do you, do you test it out with anybody?
Ashley Gutermuth (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of testing.
It's constant testing that, uh, what I like to do thoughis try to talk for as long as I can without getting into something that I've prepared and just to be in the moment.
Um, so in Seattle, I talked about things that had happened.
Somebody tried to charge me eight cents fora bag and I found that to be ridiculous.
Wow.
(18:40):
Especially because she didn't ask before.
It was a grocery store in Seattle.
It's all eight cents.
And which is okay.
You're going to charge me fine.
But she didn't wait.
She waited till after I'd already paid.
So then I had to go back and rescanand I was like, this is ridiculous.
And so you talk about that, you talk aboutdifferent, different things that have happened.
So I try to be like, Hey.
(19:01):
This is what I've seen in your local area, because sometimesyou'll see comedians, they just come up and they go right into whatever it is, and there's a disconnect, where it's like, am I just watching a television, uh, is this person really here,
there's, I don't know, I like to connect more, and that makesme feel good, and then we go into things that I want to talk about, things about my life, in the case of Seattle, I did, for the most part, my, the show that I did in Scotland, Which, uh,
(19:28):
runs through a theme of my family life, of me trying to helppeople feel like they, they feel like they have a crazy family, but then I try to tell them about my life, and they're like,
Jodi (19:38):
oh, you win, you win, let's win.
Well, I'm, I'm a little curious, uh, so as, you know.
Here
Tom (19:46):
come the good questions.
I know.
This is a really good question.
Jodi (19:49):
Well, thank
Tom (19:50):
you, Tom.
You're welcome.
Ever pay
Jodi (19:51):
me compliments.
No, I'm just curious.
So as a military spouse, I know when, when I wasnewly married, we had a young baby, there were a lot of really unfunny things that I felt at the time were not at all funny going on in my life.
And so if, if there are other spouses out there that aremaybe in that, that part of military spouse life and learning how to adapt and I mean, what, what advice do you give?
(20:13):
How did you figure out how to find the, the funny in it?
Because.
Most of the time you can usually find some light or somehumor or something if you're willing to look for it.
But I know, you know, there were plenty of dayswhen, you know, the husband didn't come home, couldn't tell you when he was going to come home.
Little information, baby screaming.
There is nothing funny about that in the moment.
Ashley Gutermuth (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, trying to deal with it all.
Kind of a serious question, but yeah.
Yeah, you know what?
There's a really good book, and it's obviously nowhere nearcompared, but there's a book called Man's Search for Meaning, and it talks about, there's a psychiatrist who was in the
Holocaust, and he talks about how much humor was used in the,when he was in, he, he got out, but he talked about how it was in the concentration camps, how important that is, and I
(20:58):
often think about like the different hard things in our life,like that was such a horrific thing to have happen to them, and to them still be laughing, and that's what I'm going.
It's huge.
So in the case of, obviously, nowhere near that, butpeople that experience hard things, any time that you can make a joke about it, even if you're just sarcastic, it's probably gonna make you feel a bit better.
(21:21):
Now, for me, definitely a lot ofhard stuff, military spouse wise.
I don't, I didn't have a whole ton of friends.
Like, you know, a lot of us don't,because you're moving so much.
And I would have moments where I was tryingto be friendly or polite or, and something that I did was misconstrued in some way.
And that's when like the hierarchy of military life came out.
(21:44):
You know, you know how it's weird.
It's like, Oh, your husband or wife has this job.
So therefore I am this.
And people pretend like it doesn't exist until it does.
And I remember that happening at one point whereAnd I was just like, Oh, I'm done with this.
I'm going to scorch earth this puppy.
And then I did, uh, years doing that.
(22:06):
Because I like to see everybody as an individual, butwhen some of that stuff happens, it's very upsetting.
And, and when, and when it's perpetuated, like my husband'sretired now, he was a commander for the last eight years, which is what led to me to say some things, but not other things.
I was always a bit careful.
Because he had a big boy job.
He's in charge of a lot of people, and they rely onhim for things, so I didn't want to do any of that.
(22:32):
So I never showed him, never talkedabout what he did, any of that stuff.
But you can still, in that, find waysto just screw with the establishment.
I think that's what,
Jodi (22:44):
in a nutshell, that's what we're trying to say.
Ashley Gutermuth (22:48):
Screw with it to make change.
And this is something I used to have a keynotespeech that would talk about food insecurity.
And what bothers me is that whenthings don't, I have no patience.
So it bothers me when things don't get betterquickly, and it bothers me when we just talk about something and nothing's ever going to change.
So like, Congress knows about the food insecurity piece, they'retoo embarrassed by it, so therefore they don't do anything.
(23:09):
That's literally what I've been told.
And so you go, okay, well then how do I createThe bigger the fire that you can create, then they have to come and put you out.
So that's what I tried to do over time.
Jodi (23:25):
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But Ash, you're also doing that.
With, like, you were talking about judges,attorneys, or teachers, or nurses, right?
With all the PCS moves and how militaryspouse unemployment rates like 22, 24 percent.
Ashley Gutermuth (24:45):
Yep, super high.
Tom (24:47):
You're advocating for trying to give a better life to the spouses.
Beside being a comedian and a spouse, you're actually doing alot of great work, too, philanthropically, but also just trying to advocate on behalf of what they're doing for our country.
Ashley Gutermuth (25:00):
I do try, because it's ridiculous.
These, they have to have, you, why dowe make people re license per state?
Well, the reason is because it makes money for the state.
Okay, well then, if your job says that you have to move,Every two years and now all of a sudden you've got lawyers and like one had passed the bar five times in different states.
(25:21):
You've got people that are nurses that already don't makeenough money and teachers that don't make enough money.
And then if they get there's like some universallicense that teachers can get and I remember talking to um, This colonel's, uh, this colonel comes up to me and he said, my wife has this universal license.
He said, and because she's got the universallicense, they won't hire her because they say that she could just leave and go anywhere.
(25:42):
And I'm like, oh my
Jodi (25:43):
gosh, the ultimate circular reference.
Ashley Gutermuth (25:49):
Nice fam.
Tom (25:50):
We always talk about our percentage.
We have close to 80 percent of the people thatwork in our banking centers or like at JBLM where you were or other locations that have a military connection, either a dependent, a spouse, a veteran.
So we're proud of that.
And so we, we understand, I'll say people betterin business for an age, just for the heck of it.
But we, uh, we know that they're going to leave us in a coupleof years, but we also know that they understand our clients.
(26:13):
They understand what it's like to be in the military.
They understand the lifestyle and understandtheir needs, financial services or otherwise.
So we take pride in that and so what you do onthe periphery or in DC or in New York or wherever you go Just keep carrying that message for us.
Thank you for that.
Thank you.
Thank you Alright now I'm switching gears to hecklerslike Jodi and others I don't know about that.
(26:37):
Renee, were there any hecklers in Seattlewhen area when she was at the comedy club.
No, no, except for the people that didn'thave a good relationship behind you.
But yeah, so when you, you don't have any hecklers, but youknow, Monica was, and I ought to say the stronghold food pantry.
Cause I mentioned Monica Bass's name, but our audiencedoesn't know what great work strongholds doing in a lot of army installations and hopefully beyond down the road.
Ashley Gutermuth (27:00):
Oh yeah.
We've gone worldwide.
We've, I took them to Japan.
We went overseas.
So I take commissary gift cards from Stronghold and thenI'll talk, I'll talk to people before the show and I'll say, well, actually what I'm like in Alaska, I, there, people were lined up and I walked down and I said, who has the most kids?
And I found out who had the mostkids and I gave them 50 gift cards.
Tom (27:20):
So any, so you can talk hecklers, but I doubt it.
I mean, you're maybe 10 years from now, you'll have10 times as many hecklers, but when it comes to like the pre rituals, routines, anything, or do you just show, you show up and you're just ready for prime time?
Ashley Gutermuth (27:34):
Okay.
Well, this is twofold.
One are there hecklers?
Yeah.
Um, but it doesn't, so when I'mtalking, it doesn't really come across.
The way people think of Hackbridge is people are like shouting,like, uh, nasty words at you, but that's not really what it is.
It's usually people that thinkthey're helping, which they never are.
(27:54):
And, or it's people that just want to be a part of it.
So with, with mine, I don't have Like if you go on Google andyou type in comedian shuts down heckler, you're, you won't, it's usually like just the comedian being like, F off, get out.
And it's not something I would ever do.
What I do is I just go, Oh, Hey, you know, okay.
And I try to like, they're trying to talk a little bit.
(28:15):
So I, I talked to him a bit, see what we can get out of it.
And then we go from there.
And sometimes something good happens,sometimes it doesn't, but I try to be nice.
Second answer, um, you asked me if I have any pre showrituals to get ready to be on stage, or if I just go, uh, go up on there, and I want you to know that I, I'm basically emotionless, uh, hollow void inside, so
Tom (28:37):
no.
I know, I worked with, I worked withJodi all day, I know, I understand that.
Oh, and she described
Jodi (28:42):
hecklers, I thought, of you, I mean, like, people that think they're helping, but they're not.
Yes.
Um, get yourself on stage.
Tom (28:49):
Yeah.
Think it was my self-esteem.
Yeah,
Ashley Gutermuth (28:51):
you're welcome.
Self-esteem.
No, not really.
Sometimes with those two, we had two, two nights of two shows.
So the second show started at 9 45 and I'm a little sleepybear, so I had a Red Bull in between that, that was, and then the, oh man, I had the one show, I had a red bull, like, just, just beforehand and it was too much.
I got on stage and I was like, oh, my heart's gonna explode.
(29:12):
. Like this is a way to go.
Um, so there's a lot of that.
Usually what I like to do is hang out with theother comedians and then we give each other grief and then it's fun when we get up there.
Tom (29:22):
Do you typically know people that are, what do you call it, headliners?
You're the headliner, but people that are showing up tobe in front of you, do you know them in advance or not?
Ashley Gutermuth (29:31):
Yeah.
Well, I brought Justin and Helen withme and then there was other people.
There are two guest sets.
A guest set is like an unpaid spot on a comedy show.
They just, it's called a guestie.
Hey, you want to come do five minutes?
Great.
The one was a guy that works atthe club and he was super awesome.
So I said, Hey, you want to do five minutes?
Come on.
And the other was my friend, Tony,who I used to live out of JBLM.
(29:52):
So I know a lot of the comedians out there.
So when they came to see me, Iwas like, Hey, you want some time?
And then Tony, he's in his sixties andhe drives a concrete truck, Tony Ramos.
And he, his bit was what's in my wallet.
And so then he did this five minutes.
It was funny.
It was good.
Sounds like
Tom (30:10):
a, sounds like a capital one commercial.
By the way, we're, we're, we're going to talk about thisat the end, but how do people find you when it comes to shows, maybe in 2025, or maybe you don't want people to find you and maybe you don't want, you don't like people, but
Ashley Gutermuth (30:25):
yeah, what's
Tom (30:25):
the best, what's the best site to go where they could see upcoming shows?
Ashley Gutermuth (30:30):
My website.
Ashleygudermuth.
com.
I also own Ashleyguttermouth.
com.
So if you misspell it,
Tom (30:36):
it's okay.
Either way, you're going to get there.
We wanted to start the show that way, too,with guttermouth, but I told Jodi she couldn't.
Yeah, I'm on best
Jodi (30:46):
behavior.
I know I can't help her.
Be professional, Jodi.
I'm trying.
You see what I deal with, though, right?
Tom (30:51):
Yeah.
Jodi (30:51):
You see what I deal with.
Yeah.
I was thinking about when she was, when you were answering abouthow you dealt with military spouse and life and all of that, it reminded me of the book my husband brought me home from.
He went to some training and it waslike the military wife handbook.
Have you seen that?
Yes.
And so it told me all the thingsthat he would never think to tell me.
(31:13):
That are important when you talked about there's ahierarchy and you know, you got to be careful of who you say it was like, how do you go through a receiving line?
How do you do this?
How do you not look the protocols?
Yeah.
But it's all,
Ashley Gutermuth (31:24):
um, boring, but yet important if you screw it up, but I screwed, they used to introduce me as other colonels wives at, um, at, um, like formal events that used to happen.
One time I picked up a wing commander, physically picked him up.
He's a big, big dude.
I picked him up off the ground.
And then the, like, I've done all the things that youshouldn't do, but the problem is you have to have a personality that people go, Oh, she doesn't mean it.
(31:50):
And I've always had that.
Jodi (31:53):
Yeah.
Was there, is there some thing that you go back to somememory that you come back to where it was like some pivot point where you're like, okay, at this point I am, which would you say something about the establishment?
So where it was like, this is my turning point of.
Of craziness.
And at this point it can't help, but be funny.
And I am going to just call it and make, make all the funny I
Ashley Gutermuth (32:13):
can.
Yeah, I definitely was always trying to do things likethat with, and I was trying to get into like other ways to do like comedy and be creative in some way,
because, you know, like we lived in Warner Robins,Georgia for two years, which is the middle of nowhere, trying to, trying to be creative and create things is.
I don't know.
It makes me feel really good.
If I'm not creating something, then I get pretty miserable.
(32:36):
So I think that that's probably helpful to Any spousesout there or military members to then there's a couple of different ways to do it There's the asapasap.
org the armed services arts partnership, whichis free for dependents and military and they do writing and comedy classes and things like that.
But to find ways to create so that youdon't, so it doesn't come out in other ways.
(32:58):
Cause like, if I don't, then I misbehave, but it's
good to have outweighed.
It's good to have
Tom (33:05):
outlets.
Yeah.
You know what you should do is go on America's Got Talent.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:10):
Well, I have a lot of friends that have been on America's Got Talent and I had a producer that I was talking to a little bit.
America's Got Talent, there's, we, comedianwise, we usually end up losing to a dog.
And I don't know if my ego can take that.
Tom (33:22):
You know, Tom Cotter, if you know the name, right?
I know.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:24):
I know Tom Cotter.
Tom, I've, I've worked with Tom Cotter and his wife.
So
Tom (33:28):
let me tell you, let me tell you about him.
So he and I were fraternity brothers at Denison Universityand he was, he was our, he was my pledge master.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:37):
No way.
Tom (33:38):
Can you imagine being hazed by that guy that loses to a dog, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (33:41):
Oh my god.
He is so funny.
That's a true story.
Tom (33:44):
I'm not making that up, Ash, cause he was I believe you.
Yeah.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:46):
Have you talked to him since?
Tom (33:47):
No, I'm scared of him.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:49):
You should send him a message.
Him and his wife, Carrie Louise, and his brother's a colonel.
In the Navy, I think
Tom (33:55):
I've seen him perform twice.
And I would go, I would go up to him and hegoes, I have no idea who you are, . And, but yet I knew him and I watched, I watched him lose.
I was sad for him.
Ashley Gutermuth (34:07):
Tom is hilarious.
Tom (34:08):
He is.
He's that kind of hilarious, the quick, hilarious
Ashley Gutermuth (34:12):
Oh yeah.
He's he's the one-liner guy.
Yeah.
But I, I think he's the best at it.
Tom (34:16):
He's an angry man.
Yeah.
So social media is a big deal for you.
Cause if you have just a handfulmore followers than I do, but what
Jodi (34:29):
it's aspirational.
Tom (34:30):
So speaking of aspirational, what would, what kind of advice would you give if someone wants to be you don't answer that question.
If, um, if someone wants to be a comedian, any pitfallsto avoid or anything that you would give for guidance.
Ashley Gutermuth (34:44):
Well, the way to the quickest way to get the first 10, 000 followers is some it's just pictures of your feet Tied it.
Um,
Jodi (34:54):
I don't understand that whole thing either, by the way, but, but I, a lot of messages about it there.
Is there a thing about fe I'll tellyou later, I do not record that.
Tom , there's even a thing called Wiki feet.
You, I don't know about people's face.
Fan girl is, or.
I think you should keep both of those in separate conversations.
Okay.
We'll, we'll Google it.
Don't Google it on your work computer.
Tom (35:18):
It's going to, we're off the rails.
Yes.
Ashley Gutermuth (35:21):
So, here's what I would say, you need to do, you need to post a lot to be able to get comfortable.
That's what a lot of it is.
People are so nervous about being whatever they wantto be, figuring out who you are, whatever that means.
I don't even know if I believe that's a real thingbecause we change so much over the course of our life.
But just try to be, and do whatever you want to be.
(35:43):
Unless you're an absolutely, like, racistmonster, and then keep that on lock.
Put yourself in a bathroom and just hangout there for the rest of your life.
Might not be comedian material, if all that's true.
Might not be comedian material.
Just post a lot, and then try to help somebody.
Try to help them, and then if youget rebuffed, Burn the establishment.
(36:05):
That's my three step.
Jodi (36:08):
The last step in multiple things today has been burn down the establishment.
I'm sensing a trend.
I might not have eaten enough today.
You should put that on your LinkedIn.
Put it on your LinkedIn.
Actually, give it
Tom (36:19):
a minute.
It has to.
Jodi (36:20):
So, it is clear that you love what you do.
Just listening to you and this has been a fun time.
But, what's the most rewarding part of what you're doing?
I mean, what do you hope that the people that come and spendmoney to see you perform, what do you hope they walk away with?
Ashley Gutermuth (36:35):
Oh yeah.
I hope that they had a wonderful time, but youknow what, you never know what is happening.
So for example, there was a, um, when I was in Turkey, Idid a show and it was a small, it was Thanksgiving day and it was already kind of small and it's in like a cafeteria.
So it's a bit, there's a lot of things to contend with there.
So trying to make it as best as I can.
(36:55):
And then, um, one guy started talking about.
Like I asked the audience something and thatled to a soldier talking about his grandfather.
And he said, my grandfather was in Vietnam and he was a river.
He, he, he river patrol.
And I'm like, what, what does that mean?
And he is, he starts telling this really heavyduty story, uh, which is not conducive to comedy.
(37:18):
Right.
And I said.
Well, he said that he joined the military to be able to becomea citizen and I said let's give it up for that Let's everybody clap for that because that's amazing You know somebody that
that does that and he came up to me afterwards He lookslike he's about to cry and he's just like no one has ever said that no one has ever said Thank you for him doing that.
Well, obviously that was huge and So you'llsee people in the audience that are kind of like arms crossed and they seem miserable.
(37:42):
And then they come up to you afterwards and they'relike, I have never laughed that much in my entire life.
And you're like, how?
Oh my God.
From the stage, you're looking atthem like, what, why are you mad?
Why did you pay to be mad?
And then sometimes like I've had people.
I was doing the Military Influencers Conferenceand I was giving away prizes and one guy said I pulled his ticket, but then he was blind.
(38:04):
And then I was, I give things like that where people,you're like, no, he was just screwing with me.
But you just never know what is happening insomebody's head or, or even if they're not laughing.
And then they're just like, oh my God, that was wonderful.
And which is always, you know, that that's
Tom (38:21):
lovely, you know, when you have things like that.
I'm not, I'm not going to end
Jodi (38:26):
this.
No, no, I think it's awesome because younever, I mean, and I think that's true with what we do even here in a banking environment.
You never know what somebody's day has involved.
You never know what their perspectiveis, where they're coming from.
And if you can be a bright spot or a helpinghand, then we all do it in different ways.
But yeah, that's got to feel good.
Tom (38:44):
Renee couldn't stop talking about you.
I had to like change my phone numberbecause she was so excited about seeing you.
Jodi (38:50):
It was
Tom (38:51):
lost
Jodi (38:51):
Renee.
Yeah.
It's okay, Renee.
Tom (38:53):
You're good.
I'll
Jodi (38:54):
forward your calls to her.
Tom (38:55):
Just be nice so you can give me all these celebrity phone numbers, okay?
So just be nice to her.
Yeah.
So the final question.
Kind of is if you weren't a comedian,what would you be doing today?
And I know like you said you can't keep a jobdoing anything else because they'll either fire you or you'll get bored Or you'll have felonies too.
Ashley Gutermuth (39:15):
I've only almost been fired once they said if I didn't make any sales within two weeks Tom They would fire me and I said, well, you can't do that because I quit.
I'm bad at sales.
Tom (39:27):
What did you need?
What widget were you selling?
Ashley Gutermuth (39:29):
I was selling interactive whiteboards to schools that were made in Pennsylvania, but I was in the middle of England.
They hired me because I had an accent thatthey liked, and that's what they told me.
And then I used to call all day.
I'd call schools to try to sell theseinteractive whiteboards, but I did not care.
Why can't kids use blackboards?
Tom (39:48):
What was the per unit?
What was the per unit cost?
Ashley Gutermuth (39:52):
Oh God, I don't know.
But you know what?
That's not the only sales job that I failed at.
I also failed at, I sold bowling alleyparties for like Christmas and birthday.
That was also in England at an AMF bowling thatsubsequently burned to the ground after I left.
Uh, not me.
You did burn the establishment.
I literally burned it down.
I did burn the establishment.
You left England.
(40:12):
I did not.
I didn't sell any birthday parties.
That was the most money I've ever made though.
It was 14, 000 pounds a year.
And that, at the time, due to the poor dollarto pound ratio, that was like almost 30, 000.
So, hey, for not, for not doing any work, that's not bad.
That's the amount of Oreos,
Tom (40:33):
that's the amount of Oreos I eat in a year, too.
Girl Scout cookies.
Girls get 14, 000 pounds, yeah.
Jodi (40:39):
Oh my goodness.
I think, I think we talked about this a little bit earlier.
I want to make sure our audience knows where to find you orany last comments that you would want to share with them.
But we talked about your website.
Ashley.
Gut.
oo.com.
It's dot com, right?
Yes.
I wrote down the file.
She's on We gotta.com I, yeah.
Well some people pick weird thingsanymore, so Yeah, check her out there.
(40:59):
I assume they can go there if they have interest in booking youat an event or reaching out for any number of Hopefully yes.
Tom (41:06):
Very good.
Course.
We can book her here.
Jodi (41:08):
We could.
You could book her
Ashley Gutermuth (41:09):
here.
Yeah.
Have you been to Kansas
Tom (41:11):
City or Fort Leavenworth or No.
Ashley Gutermuth (41:13):
I did.
That's where I ate the marine crayons, uh,for the Kansas City Recruiting Station.
Oh yeah.
My husband was there.
For the Marines, yeah.
Jodi (41:22):
Yeah, my husband was with Kansas City Recruiting Battalion for a while.
Heck yeah.
Tom (41:26):
See, it all comes back to Kevin Bacon, doesn't it?
Every episode is Kevin Bacon.
Ashley Gutermuth (41:33):
I came into a town hall for the Marine spouses before the Marine Ball and the commander then said, okay, everybody, we're just going to talk about the next few months.
I want you to know, uh, I know your spouses are workinga lot, but I want you guys to know that Christmas.
You're going to have Christmas off.
And I was like, what is happening?
Oh my God.
Marine recruiters work so hard.
(41:54):
I will bang the drum.
That's going to be my new life purpose.
I want everyone to know how hard Marine recruiters work.
Tom (41:59):
My
Jodi (42:01):
husband was a recruiting man for a long time.
back in the day before they kind ofgot softer and gentler in their ways.
So, yeah, it is brutal.
Yeah, for sure.
Tom (42:10):
Let's play a game.
Jodi (42:11):
What's the time?
Tom (42:12):
Is it time?
Jodi (42:12):
Yeah.
Our game?
Tom (42:13):
Yeah.
Jodi (42:13):
Very good.
We will play the Military Minute.
Are you game, Ashley?
Tom (42:22):
If Ashley knows the answer to this.
Question from the last episode, I'm going to giveher 16 cents to buy two bags in the Seattle area.
Jodi (42:30):
Yes.
Callback.
Nice.
Yes.
Grocery, grocery shopping as it were.
Um, so military minute, we ask a question after every podcast.
And so last episode, we asked a question about aFrench artist famous for his water lilies paintings.
If you know that one, you can answer,can't answer the next question.
Cause do you think
Tom (42:50):
Ashley knows?
Jodi (42:51):
I don't know.
Do you know any French artists that paint a lot of water lilies?
You a lot of
Tom (42:55):
water Lillies it ri it rhymes with show showe.
Does that help Chobe?
Ashley Gutermuth (43:02):
It rhymes with, it's a total GaN
Tom (43:05):
Mo Monet, uh,
Ashley Gutermuth (43:07):
Monet.
Oh, of course Monet.
But him and I have a thing where we don'ttalk, so it's like, I can't even, so
Jodi (43:15):
yeah.
Tom (43:15):
Lily, you guess, right?
She did.
Oh, yeah.
She,
Jodi (43:18):
yes.
Oh yes.
So Claude, does Monet
Tom (43:20):
have a first name?
Jodi (43:20):
Claude?
Yeah.
With the E Claude Claude Monet.
Yeah.
So if you answered Claude Monet when we dropped our lastpodcast, watch for your name to be the one that was selected to win 50 for yourself and 50 for a charity of your choice
and then fast forward to this week's question, which youcannot answer, but you can like give us the high sign.
You
Tom (43:38):
know, give us acknowledgement if you know the answer to this question.
Okay, but don't say it.
I
Jodi (43:42):
only I guessed it like on a fifth time.
Maybe I was like fifth time.
So this week's military minutetakes us to a question about comedy.
Go figure.
According to the Rolling Stone magazine, whois the best stand up comedian of all time?
I don't know.
According to that, I'm not going to answer.
I have thoughts.
Well, we'll have thoughts after we stop recording.
Tom (44:02):
Yeah.
You know what you should do is, what was that?
What were you selling?
No, you were selling some sort of whiteboard, do iton your invisible whiteboard or whatever that was.
Yeah.
Interactive whiteboards.
Jodi (44:14):
Well, we'll get our guests after we, after we hang up the recording part of this.
But so if you know who, according to Rolling Stonemagazine was the best standup comedian of all time.
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Thank you, Ashley.
Ashley Gutermuth (44:45):
Yeah.
This has been fun.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
It's a joy.
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Militarily Speaking, Episode 74, Ashley Gudermuth.
Jodi (00:05):
This episode, we talk with Ashley Gudermuth, military spouse and comedian.
Tom (00:22):
Welcome to Militarily Speaking, brought to you by Armed Forces Bank.
This is Tom McClain and Jody Vickery.
I'm the comedian and the military retail executive forArmed Forces Bank, and Jody is pretty solemn, and she's the executive vice president director of consumer banking.
Well, I'm part of the chief, canI call you chief digital officer?
You could.
(00:43):
That's like official.
So let's congratulate Jodi Ash becauseshe got, she just got promoted.
Jodi (00:49):
I'm not used to responding to that yet.
So funny story, I saw in a thing this week, somebody hadused the acronym CDO and I had to ask if that was me.
What
Ashley Gutermuth (00:59):
else?
Jodi (01:01):
Because I'm not used to it yet.
So yeah, it was kind of cool.
Promoted too.
Ashley Gutermuth (01:05):
And what's the promotion?
Jodi (01:07):
Uh, to the chief digital officer.
Chief
Ashley Gutermuth (01:09):
digital officer.
All right.
Are you getting bags of cash?
This is a
Jodi (01:12):
bag after all.
We definitely need to leave that in the podcast.
Give Jody more money.
Yes, we post this.
We need to block my boss from seeing it.
So yeah, we didn't get in trouble here.
Tom (01:24):
I'll have to come up with what CDO really means.
Jodi (01:27):
Right.
Yeah.
There's an alternative meeting, but anyway, we digress.
Welcome to our show.
We're excited to have you listening andlearning all about our guest, Ashley Gutermose.
But first I want to tell our audience a little bit about you.
So bear with us.
And Tom's going to try and not fangirlthrough the whole thing and ask you to end.
Tom (01:45):
You don't know that.
I'll tell you later.
Ashley, what's fangirls?
Ashley Gutermuth (01:48):
You're just like, you're just in love.
You're just in love.
It's like, I don't know.
Who else would you feel this way about Rod Stewart?
You might fangirl over Rod Stewart.
You don't have,
Tom (01:57):
you don't have Jerry Seinfeld's number, do you?
See, he's going to ask
Jodi (02:02):
you for contacts.
I'm going to ask you for Jimmy
Tom (02:04):
Fallon.
I'm going to ask you for all these contacts,or at least You can't help himself too.
People don't know
Ashley Gutermuth (02:08):
this, but Jerry Seinfeld's actually my husband.
That's why I never show him.
I don't want my career to be . That's really, Bruce is really
Jodi (02:15):
his cat is really his cat
So I'm gonna legit tell people real things about Ash real quick.
She's described by the New York Times as a quote unquotecomedian, so I'm not sure if this is in quote for reason.
We'll find out in the next hour.
Ashley is a standup comedian podcast host, so we're.
She's gonna bust us out today.
And actor, she appeared on TheTonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon.
(02:38):
Yes, Tom, now where you insert fangirl.
No, no, it's coming.
Where Jerry Seinfeld selected her asthe winner of the Seinfeld Challenge.
She performs globally with tour stops in Japan,the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey.
Don't eat the food while you're there, apparently, becausefood poisoning happens in Turkey, and even Greenland.
Her award winning Edinburgh Fringe show, Ashley Goodermuthis Hard to Pronounce, earned a five star review in 2024.
Tom (03:02):
Is that a real thing?
Jodi (03:04):
What?
That it's hard to pronounce?
No,
Tom (03:05):
the, it's a title of something.
Ashley Goodermuth is Hard to Pronounce?
Is that the actual name of it?
Jodi (03:09):
That's what I
Ashley Gutermuth (03:10):
named my show.
Tom (03:11):
That's pretty clever.
That sounds like, that sounds likea Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld thing.
That you would just come up with something that.
Cool.
Jodi (03:19):
Thank you.
Keep going.
Are you jealous, Tom?
I only have 500.
Listen to this.
You'll be super jealous.
With over 1.
7 million followers.
I don't know.
I've got
Tom (03:25):
500 connections on LinkedIn.
I think I'm cool.
That is cool.
It's more than one.
You've
Jodi (03:32):
arrived, Tom.
Goodenwoods regularly shares content on social media whereher videos about stand up and life as the spouse of a U. S. military service member have amassed over 800 million views.
Probably like your most recent post, I'm sure.
Can you keep going?
Yeah, she can be seen on the hitshow Office Joe on Amazon Prime.
There's no such
Tom (03:49):
thing as Office Joe.
Ashley Gutermuth (03:51):
Oh yeah, there is.
I'm in it and I play a saucy news reporter.
Tom (03:58):
I'm adding that to my list.
Tom
Jodi (03:59):
would like a guest appearance.
Yeah.
I think we're about to find out.
She has high energy.
She has a positive style of comedy, and it's irresistible.
Her comedy is focused on the unusual relationshipsand observations about life, and in 2021, she won the headliner category of the U. S. Comedy Contest.
When she is not performing stand up or acting, she is usuallyrunning and has a daily running streak that spans nine years.
(04:22):
I'm going to
Tom (04:23):
challenge that.
So my understanding is you've runevery day for nine consecutive years.
Ashley Gutermuth (04:27):
Challenge accepted, and yes, it'll be 10 years in January.
That's like Forrest Gump status.
Have I ever missed a day?
No.
Even though I was sick, I've never missed a day.
I've been hit by cars.
I've fallen in two gopher holes.
I've PCS'd seven times.
I've done it around the world.
Have I recently not eaten for two days after getting foodpoisoning and turkey and then had to run when I got home?
(04:49):
Yes.
Did it almost kill me?
Yes.
Tom (04:54):
Ashley is at the same distance every time
Ashley Gutermuth (04:57):
for the most part.
I've do three miles a day for the club,which is Ron streakers international.
You have to do at least a mile every day without stopping.
I've done that for 10 years, but for the past severalyears, I've done three to four miles every day.
I've gone up, I've done a little bit over more than a marathon.
But for the most part, I stick to three.
Jodi (05:16):
I got tired just hearing
Tom (05:17):
that.
What's the Guinness Book of World Recordsfor most consecutive days running?
Ashley Gutermuth (05:21):
Well, I'm actually kind of a baby in the group.
There's people that have done it for over 50 years.
Jodi (05:26):
Oh my gosh.
There's a woman
Ashley Gutermuth (05:27):
that has a streak nearly the same length as mine, and she had a baby and had a c section.
So can you imagine?
And which means she had to run that same day.
Doctors do not advise that.
She must have been like running around the hospital.
Yeah, well, some do that.
Yeah.
Jodi (05:45):
Yeah, I'd have to put my like garment or something on my dog and count that and let the dog runner give me credit.
Yeah, I should do that.
I put it on the cat, but he hasn't put it on Bruce.
Yeah, put it on Bruce.
Anyway, welcome, Ashley.
It's a honor to have you on our show.
I think we're going to have a good time today.
Thank you for being with us first and foremost andappreciate the time and maybe just to kick us off, tell our audience a little bit about you and your life.
(06:09):
Military, fellow military spouse, thank youfor your service and that of your husband.
And life as military spouse and comedian.
And Tom's looking at me like he'sjust dying to add to the question.
Tom (06:17):
Let me take this one for her.
Jodi (06:19):
Okay.
Oh, he's got it.
Tom (06:20):
By the way, your connections to the military, you got husband, Air Force reservist, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (06:24):
Yep, full timer.
Full time Air Force Reservist, yeah.
Tom (06:27):
Grandfather, Marine.
Uh, yes.
Father, Army.
Yep.
Son, Navy.
Ashley Gutermuth (06:33):
Yep.
Tom (06:34):
I'm surrounded.
Where, how about the Coast Guard and Space Force?
Do you feel like you're not complete?
Ashley Gutermuth (06:39):
Well, I do.
I was considering, I talked to my husband.
I said, should I get divorced so Ican marry somebody in the Space Force?
And he said, that doesn't exist, so there's no point.
But, hosties, yeah.
And they're such good swimmers.
Jodi (06:56):
You could do triathlons then instead of running every day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tom (07:00):
Now you're thinking Jody.
Jodi (07:01):
Anyway, I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about a little bit of background about you, something we wouldn't know about you and your bio.
Oh, something you wouldn't know about me.
Oh my god.
Feel free to filter as needed.
Ashley Gutermuth (07:11):
It does, it does feel like I've, is there anything left?
I was thinking today, do I have any secrets?
And I don't think I do because I can't keepmy mouth shut for more than 10 seconds.
Yes, I lived all over the place.
My dad was in the army, but he got out.
Like, as, certainly after I was born,but he was in a variety of the army.
(07:31):
I think he was in the, he was active duty, reservist, nationalguard, he like, he jumped all around as he would get fired at one place and then he'd have to join another brand.
But he sent the Marines to recruit me,sent them to the house at one point.
I'm not.
Smart enough or capable enough to be a Marine.
I do, I have crayons that I'm holding right now.
(07:52):
And I, I talked at a Marine ball once and it was wonderful.
Marine balls, you've never experienced it.
You have to go and it does notcompare to any other military ball.
But, uh, I'm on stage.
I had them all eat.
I said, does anybody want to eat crayons with me?
And they all did.
Uh, they did.
Unfortunately, if you ever eat a crayon, firstof all, do not offer a Marine a non crayola.
(08:14):
They will throw it back at you as they should.
You need name brand.
What I chose was red.
I chose the red crayon to eat and that was a mistakebecause then for the next week I was on mommy forum saying things like, Oh my God, why is, why is everything red?
Am I dying?
Um, it turns out there's just dyes in it.
So it's like, uh, you just think you're dying, but it's not.
(08:34):
That's what it's like.
Internal bleeding.
Internal bleeding.
I'm sure that's what Armed Forces Bank is looking for.
Yeah, definitely.
Tom (08:43):
Oh, I'm left handed.
What Jody forgot to say was youwere 2024 Spouse of the Year for U.
S. Veterans Magazine, is that right?
Well And the 2023 Armed ForcesInsurance Air Force Spouse of the Year.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:00):
Veterans Magazine was kind enough to put me on the cover, me with my chainsaw and my dress.
That picture comes up
Tom (09:07):
a lot if you Google Ashley, you'll, you'll see a lot of stuff come up when you Google Ashley, but yeah, that picture is, it's a cool image.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:15):
Yeah.
I like it.
That was, uh, the photographer didn't know I wasshowing up with a chainsaw, Jack Sadie in New Jersey.
We, he's done all my pictures and Ishowed up with a chainsaw and he was like.
Is there gas in that?
Like, what?
What are we doing here?
Let's just roll with it.
But that, that was really fun.
I got to get an updated one.
I don't know what next, like me and abulldozer or where does it go from there?
(09:37):
But
Jodi (09:37):
yeah, heavy farm machinery makes sense.
Ashley Gutermuth (09:39):
Heavy, heavy farm machinery.
Jodi (09:41):
Yeah.
Tom (09:44):
I can, I can move on.
You can.
So we're going to give credit where credit is due, right?
That Monica Bassett, we'll put a plug in for her.
And I appreciate what you do with Monicatoo, for tackling food insecurity.
That's a, Problematic over the, over the globe.
And so thank you for that.
She was the one that introduced me to you andshe stalked you as much as I tried to stalk you.
(10:05):
But, so talk about your travel schedule.
I know Renee's with us today.
Renee Fairchild, by the way, is with us today.
That your tour, how many, you went tofour, I heard you went to 14 countries.
Is that right?
Over the course of just this year or the last couple of years?
Ashley Gutermuth (10:19):
I think this year I did 12.
And can I tell you that 12 is too many.
Um, it's, it's too many to do in one year.
And, you know, our, uh, just Some fun travel facts.
You don't get as many stamps as you used to.
There's a lot, you don't get yourpassport stamps in as many places.
So that's not very exciting.
Yes.
I went, where did I go?
(10:39):
I went to Japan.
I went to England, the Netherlands, Belgium,Germany, Scotland, Greenland, Alaska.
I know Alaska is not another country, but it's considered that.
It's kind of far away.
It's considered Oconus.
It's for the, what I did.
And then, uh, we just recently went to Spain, Italy,Portugal, the Azores, which is part of Portugal.
(11:03):
I now know I learned, this is how I learned,um, geography is they take me around the world.
It was really neat to see all those different places.
And what I did was I petted the catsand the dogs and all the places.
And that, that was basically my whole,my whole trip was just me with cats.
Jodi (11:24):
Somebody had to
Ashley Gutermuth (11:24):
take care of the cats.
Tom (11:27):
So now that you live in New York, are you going to kind of set up shop there and try to be on some schedule for 2025?
Yes, for
Ashley Gutermuth (11:33):
the love of God, Tom.
I never want to travel again.
Tom (11:37):
So just do it all in New York, maybe LA once in a while, but just New York.
Ashley Gutermuth (11:42):
I, well, okay, so this is what normally happens.
I say I'm never traveling again.
And then it turns out I'm going somewhere in like three days.
Cause I got back from Turkey last week and then I had toleave about four days later to go to the shows in Seattle.
But I have a show this week.
I've got shows in Vermont, I've got shows in San Diego,I'm coming to the comedy store out there in February.
I'm definitely still doing sometraveling, but I'm going to limit it.
(12:05):
I want it to be U. S. based.
The United States.
I love it.
I know that you're kind of iffy on it, Tom, but I love the U. S.
Tom (12:17):
I was going to, I was going to coin you as the Bob Hope of the 20, 21st century.
Is that, is that fair or not?
Not yet.
Ashley Gutermuth (12:24):
I think that is, I think that is fair.
I think, didn't Bob Hope have a bunch of wives?
I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I, here's what I want.
This is my goal.
Actually.
I have a little nefarious thing with BobHope that we, we got the USOs, right?
With USOs that are in airports.
Here's what I want to do.
(12:45):
I want to take over.
I want to have like an ASO, Ashley ServiceOrganization, and they're going to be an airport, and you're going to be allowed to be in them regardless.
If you were in the military for a year, I want you to be ableto, because the USO, it gets so full, they can't take you once.
A lot of times, if you've retired, if you haven't,if you're not still in and all those different things, I want people to be able to go wherever.
(13:09):
That's one of my goals is to just knock out.
I'm going to compete with this free charity.
Just doing nice things.
Watch this.
I'll take your volunteers.
Tom (13:24):
That's that sounds like breaking news, though.
Yeah.
So it's a high take to you.
I
Ashley Gutermuth (13:28):
think it'll take me six months.
Tom (13:30):
Well,
Jodi (13:31):
I mean, I'm seeing a big cost plan, seeing a business plan in our future.
How did you how did you even get started in comedy?
Like, was is there we talked about your military connections.
Do you have?
Comedic connections in your past, oris this just something that is comedic?
Tom (13:46):
By the way, can I interrupt for a second?
Because that's my nature.
So you, you grew up listening to British comedy,but I'm not talking about British comedy.
I'm going to talk about Seinfeld for a second.
Can we?
Of course.
Favorite Seinfeld episode.
Oh,
the other cat is here, but yeah.
What favorite Seinfeld episode?
And now we're going to get into your termity.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:06):
Favorite Seinfeld episode.
I don't know.
It's hard for me to pick favorites off the topof my head, but I watched a lot of Seinfeld.
My grandma really loved Seinfeld andso it was always on at the house.
But there's some, uh, just, just any, butI haven't, do you have a favorite episode?
I can't think of a favorite one.
Tom (14:22):
I do.
There's, there's two of them.
So thanks for asking.
So remember when Kramer wanted towrite a book about coffee tables?
Ashley Gutermuth (14:29):
Yeah,
Tom (14:31):
and the other one was, uh, Renee knows this one pretty well, when they tried to reserve a car and Jerry and Elaine are there and they said, anyone can take a reservation, but can you hold the reservation?
Can you hold it?
It's a cool bit.
You ought to, you'll check that one out too.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:49):
You remember when Kramer invented the man's ear?
Tom (14:51):
Yes.
Ashley Gutermuth (14:52):
Yeah.
Tom (14:53):
And then, and then the, who was it, George's father was part of that too, right?
Yeah.
He was aware.
Ashley Gutermuth (15:00):
Yeah.
Tom (15:00):
Yeah.
I don't know.
You take such a simple thing, which is what comedyis, taking something simple, basic that's relatable.
And all of a sudden it's a, it's a huge success andit, that thing's going to live in infamy that show.
Yeah.
It's a great show.
My daughters don't like it, but I do.
Ashley Gutermuth (15:15):
Oh, my goodness.
Tom (15:16):
So let's talk about How
Ashley Gutermuth (15:17):
old are they?
Can you put them up for adoption?
Tom (15:19):
Hmm.
What's the, what's the legal answer?
I think they're legal and on theirown, so I know, they're 25 and 21.
Oh, they're already
Ashley Gutermuth (15:27):
out?
So yeah.
Jodi (15:27):
Just write them out, Will.
Tom (15:31):
25.
724612. Yeah.
All right.
So you fired a question at her.
Jodi (15:34):
I did, and you interrupted me.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah, no.
Tom (15:36):
Remember the question?
Yeah.
Jodi (15:38):
I just want to know how you got started
Ashley Gutermuth (15:40):
in this.
How did, how did I get started?
A lot of felonies.
So I can't get a job in an actual, like, regular place.
Uh, I, that was all, comedy is all I ever wanted to do.
And I've had a lot of other jobs, but yeah,just, I just didn't know how to make it happen.
Because it seems impossible and then you realizeyou just show up to open mic nights and fail a lot.
(16:02):
No
Jodi (16:03):
pressure then.
No pressure.
Tom (16:07):
What is, by the way, do you have any stats on how many people actually try comedy and don't make it?
Because you think about like going to Nashville, allthese country artists that probably just never make it.
But until you get that moment.
Ashley Gutermuth (16:19):
In, uh, January, that's usually people, it's their, like, New Year's resolution, so they, the open mics are more full, and by February, they're just like, oh, God, you know, you have to really, really want, there has to be
something inside of you that needs to get that out, otherwise,it's too much, there's, especially early on, there's so much waiting around, you know, I used to drive an hour, over an hour to get, put my name in a hat, to get three minutes.
(16:44):
Oh, wow.
And so you, so you might not even get thatthree minutes, but you've driven all that time.
So there's a lot of things like that,that you have to really want it.
Yeah.
Usually people quit within the first two years.
Tom (16:58):
Interesting stat.
Jodi (17:00):
So do you have people around you that had done this, or was this?
No.
No, my
Ashley Gutermuth (17:04):
family's pretty funny, though.
They're all, uh, pretty into that.
But, I liked Eddie Izzard, and a lot of British comedians.
I watched a lot of Monty Python, and Only Foolsand Horses, and some other niche type stuff.
Yeah.
Over there, buddy.
Tom (17:19):
Ash, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Ashley Gutermuth (17:21):
Yeah.
Tom (17:22):
Right?
Good one, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (17:24):
The Knights of Saint Nick.
Is this a shrubbery?
It's not a shrubbery.
I'll show you a shrubbery.
Tom (17:30):
I like when they make those little horse clapping noises.
Jodi (17:33):
Oh, yeah.
With the coconuts.
So is that what I'm going to hear out ofyour office for the rest of the afternoon?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll say.
Tom (17:41):
And then the limbs were, yeah, what a great, what a great, it's
Ashley Gutermuth (17:46):
almost
Tom (17:48):
like, it's almost like you watched it before you joined us today.
Ashley Gutermuth (17:51):
I did.
It just came out.
I'm watching it right now.
Tom (17:54):
While you're eating a crayon.
Yeah.
So, so material wise, and Renee can attest to thisbecause she saw it firsthand, but do you, um, Do you kind of have your baseline material when you go on, on a
gig or when you go to a comedy shop that you know, thisis, this is my material or do you just, you probably stay pretty current and you like to stay relevant.
(18:15):
So
Ashley Gutermuth (18:16):
I like to stay relevant.
Thank you.
Tom (18:17):
Do you, do you test it out with anybody?
Ashley Gutermuth (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of testing.
It's constant testing that, uh, what I like to do thoughis try to talk for as long as I can without getting into something that I've prepared and just to be in the moment.
Um, so in Seattle, I talked about things that had happened.
Somebody tried to charge me eight cents fora bag and I found that to be ridiculous.
Wow.
(18:40):
Especially because she didn't ask before.
It was a grocery store in Seattle.
It's all eight cents.
And which is okay.
You're going to charge me fine.
But she didn't wait.
She waited till after I'd already paid.
So then I had to go back and rescanand I was like, this is ridiculous.
And so you talk about that, you talk aboutdifferent, different things that have happened.
So I try to be like, Hey.
(19:01):
This is what I've seen in your local area, because sometimesyou'll see comedians, they just come up and they go right into whatever it is, and there's a disconnect, where it's like, am I just watching a television, uh, is this person really here,
there's, I don't know, I like to connect more, and that makesme feel good, and then we go into things that I want to talk about, things about my life, in the case of Seattle, I did, for the most part, my, the show that I did in Scotland, Which, uh,
(19:28):
runs through a theme of my family life, of me trying to helppeople feel like they, they feel like they have a crazy family, but then I try to tell them about my life, and they're like,
Jodi (19:38):
oh, you win, you win, let's win.
Well, I'm, I'm a little curious, uh, so as, you know.
Here
Tom (19:46):
come the good questions.
I know.
This is a really good question.
Jodi (19:49):
Well, thank
Tom (19:50):
you, Tom.
You're welcome.
Ever pay
Jodi (19:51):
me compliments.
No, I'm just curious.
So as a military spouse, I know when, when I wasnewly married, we had a young baby, there were a lot of really unfunny things that I felt at the time were not at all funny going on in my life.
And so if, if there are other spouses out there that aremaybe in that, that part of military spouse life and learning how to adapt and I mean, what, what advice do you give?
(20:13):
How did you figure out how to find the, the funny in it?
Because.
Most of the time you can usually find some light or somehumor or something if you're willing to look for it.
But I know, you know, there were plenty of dayswhen, you know, the husband didn't come home, couldn't tell you when he was going to come home.
Little information, baby screaming.
There is nothing funny about that in the moment.
Ashley Gutermuth (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, trying to deal with it all.
Kind of a serious question, but yeah.
Yeah, you know what?
There's a really good book, and it's obviously nowhere nearcompared, but there's a book called Man's Search for Meaning, and it talks about, there's a psychiatrist who was in the
Holocaust, and he talks about how much humor was used in the,when he was in, he, he got out, but he talked about how it was in the concentration camps, how important that is, and I
(20:58):
often think about like the different hard things in our life,like that was such a horrific thing to have happen to them, and to them still be laughing, and that's what I'm going.
It's huge.
So in the case of, obviously, nowhere near that, butpeople that experience hard things, any time that you can make a joke about it, even if you're just sarcastic, it's probably gonna make you feel a bit better.
(21:21):
Now, for me, definitely a lot ofhard stuff, military spouse wise.
I don't, I didn't have a whole ton of friends.
Like, you know, a lot of us don't,because you're moving so much.
And I would have moments where I was tryingto be friendly or polite or, and something that I did was misconstrued in some way.
And that's when like the hierarchy of military life came out.
(21:44):
You know, you know how it's weird.
It's like, Oh, your husband or wife has this job.
So therefore I am this.
And people pretend like it doesn't exist until it does.
And I remember that happening at one point whereAnd I was just like, Oh, I'm done with this.
I'm going to scorch earth this puppy.
And then I did, uh, years doing that.
(22:06):
Because I like to see everybody as an individual, butwhen some of that stuff happens, it's very upsetting.
And, and when, and when it's perpetuated, like my husband'sretired now, he was a commander for the last eight years, which is what led to me to say some things, but not other things.
I was always a bit careful.
Because he had a big boy job.
He's in charge of a lot of people, and they rely onhim for things, so I didn't want to do any of that.
(22:32):
So I never showed him, never talkedabout what he did, any of that stuff.
But you can still, in that, find waysto just screw with the establishment.
I think that's what,
Jodi (22:44):
in a nutshell, that's what we're trying to say.
Ashley Gutermuth (22:48):
Screw with it to make change.
And this is something I used to have a keynotespeech that would talk about food insecurity.
And what bothers me is that whenthings don't, I have no patience.
So it bothers me when things don't get betterquickly, and it bothers me when we just talk about something and nothing's ever going to change.
So like, Congress knows about the food insecurity piece, they'retoo embarrassed by it, so therefore they don't do anything.
(23:09):
That's literally what I've been told.
And so you go, okay, well then how do I createThe bigger the fire that you can create, then they have to come and put you out.
So that's what I tried to do over time.
Jodi (23:25):
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But Ash, you're also doing that.
With, like, you were talking about judges,attorneys, or teachers, or nurses, right?
With all the PCS moves and how militaryspouse unemployment rates like 22, 24 percent.
Ashley Gutermuth (24:45):
Yep, super high.
Tom (24:47):
You're advocating for trying to give a better life to the spouses.
Beside being a comedian and a spouse, you're actually doing alot of great work, too, philanthropically, but also just trying to advocate on behalf of what they're doing for our country.
Ashley Gutermuth (25:00):
I do try, because it's ridiculous.
These, they have to have, you, why dowe make people re license per state?
Well, the reason is because it makes money for the state.
Okay, well then, if your job says that you have to move,Every two years and now all of a sudden you've got lawyers and like one had passed the bar five times in different states.
(25:21):
You've got people that are nurses that already don't makeenough money and teachers that don't make enough money.
And then if they get there's like some universallicense that teachers can get and I remember talking to um, This colonel's, uh, this colonel comes up to me and he said, my wife has this universal license.
He said, and because she's got the universallicense, they won't hire her because they say that she could just leave and go anywhere.
(25:42):
And I'm like, oh my
Jodi (25:43):
gosh, the ultimate circular reference.
Ashley Gutermuth (25:49):
Nice fam.
Tom (25:50):
We always talk about our percentage.
We have close to 80 percent of the people thatwork in our banking centers or like at JBLM where you were or other locations that have a military connection, either a dependent, a spouse, a veteran.
So we're proud of that.
And so we, we understand, I'll say people betterin business for an age, just for the heck of it.
But we, uh, we know that they're going to leave us in a coupleof years, but we also know that they understand our clients.
(26:13):
They understand what it's like to be in the military.
They understand the lifestyle and understandtheir needs, financial services or otherwise.
So we take pride in that and so what you do onthe periphery or in DC or in New York or wherever you go Just keep carrying that message for us.
Thank you for that.
Thank you.
Thank you Alright now I'm switching gears to hecklerslike Jodi and others I don't know about that.
(26:37):
Renee, were there any hecklers in Seattlewhen area when she was at the comedy club.
No, no, except for the people that didn'thave a good relationship behind you.
But yeah, so when you, you don't have any hecklers, but youknow, Monica was, and I ought to say the stronghold food pantry.
Cause I mentioned Monica Bass's name, but our audiencedoesn't know what great work strongholds doing in a lot of army installations and hopefully beyond down the road.
Ashley Gutermuth (27:00):
Oh yeah.
We've gone worldwide.
We've, I took them to Japan.
We went overseas.
So I take commissary gift cards from Stronghold and thenI'll talk, I'll talk to people before the show and I'll say, well, actually what I'm like in Alaska, I, there, people were lined up and I walked down and I said, who has the most kids?
And I found out who had the mostkids and I gave them 50 gift cards.
Tom (27:20):
So any, so you can talk hecklers, but I doubt it.
I mean, you're maybe 10 years from now, you'll have10 times as many hecklers, but when it comes to like the pre rituals, routines, anything, or do you just show, you show up and you're just ready for prime time?
Ashley Gutermuth (27:34):
Okay.
Well, this is twofold.
One are there hecklers?
Yeah.
Um, but it doesn't, so when I'mtalking, it doesn't really come across.
The way people think of Hackbridge is people are like shouting,like, uh, nasty words at you, but that's not really what it is.
It's usually people that thinkthey're helping, which they never are.
(27:54):
And, or it's people that just want to be a part of it.
So with, with mine, I don't have Like if you go on Google andyou type in comedian shuts down heckler, you're, you won't, it's usually like just the comedian being like, F off, get out.
And it's not something I would ever do.
What I do is I just go, Oh, Hey, you know, okay.
And I try to like, they're trying to talk a little bit.
(28:15):
So I, I talked to him a bit, see what we can get out of it.
And then we go from there.
And sometimes something good happens,sometimes it doesn't, but I try to be nice.
Second answer, um, you asked me if I have any pre showrituals to get ready to be on stage, or if I just go, uh, go up on there, and I want you to know that I, I'm basically emotionless, uh, hollow void inside, so
Tom (28:37):
no.
I know, I worked with, I worked withJodi all day, I know, I understand that.
Oh, and she described
Jodi (28:42):
hecklers, I thought, of you, I mean, like, people that think they're helping, but they're not.
Yes.
Um, get yourself on stage.
Tom (28:49):
Yeah.
Think it was my self-esteem.
Yeah,
Ashley Gutermuth (28:51):
you're welcome.
Self-esteem.
No, not really.
Sometimes with those two, we had two, two nights of two shows.
So the second show started at 9 45 and I'm a little sleepybear, so I had a Red Bull in between that, that was, and then the, oh man, I had the one show, I had a red bull, like, just, just beforehand and it was too much.
I got on stage and I was like, oh, my heart's gonna explode.
(29:12):
. Like this is a way to go.
Um, so there's a lot of that.
Usually what I like to do is hang out with theother comedians and then we give each other grief and then it's fun when we get up there.
Tom (29:22):
Do you typically know people that are, what do you call it, headliners?
You're the headliner, but people that are showing up tobe in front of you, do you know them in advance or not?
Ashley Gutermuth (29:31):
Yeah.
Well, I brought Justin and Helen withme and then there was other people.
There are two guest sets.
A guest set is like an unpaid spot on a comedy show.
They just, it's called a guestie.
Hey, you want to come do five minutes?
Great.
The one was a guy that works atthe club and he was super awesome.
So I said, Hey, you want to do five minutes?
Come on.
And the other was my friend, Tony,who I used to live out of JBLM.
(29:52):
So I know a lot of the comedians out there.
So when they came to see me, Iwas like, Hey, you want some time?
And then Tony, he's in his sixties andhe drives a concrete truck, Tony Ramos.
And he, his bit was what's in my wallet.
And so then he did this five minutes.
It was funny.
It was good.
Sounds like
Tom (30:10):
a, sounds like a capital one commercial.
By the way, we're, we're, we're going to talk about thisat the end, but how do people find you when it comes to shows, maybe in 2025, or maybe you don't want people to find you and maybe you don't want, you don't like people, but
Ashley Gutermuth (30:25):
yeah, what's
Tom (30:25):
the best, what's the best site to go where they could see upcoming shows?
Ashley Gutermuth (30:30):
My website.
Ashleygudermuth.
com.
I also own Ashleyguttermouth.
com.
So if you misspell it,
Tom (30:36):
it's okay.
Either way, you're going to get there.
We wanted to start the show that way, too,with guttermouth, but I told Jodi she couldn't.
Yeah, I'm on best
Jodi (30:46):
behavior.
I know I can't help her.
Be professional, Jodi.
I'm trying.
You see what I deal with, though, right?
Tom (30:51):
Yeah.
Jodi (30:51):
You see what I deal with.
Yeah.
I was thinking about when she was, when you were answering abouthow you dealt with military spouse and life and all of that, it reminded me of the book my husband brought me home from.
He went to some training and it waslike the military wife handbook.
Have you seen that?
Yes.
And so it told me all the thingsthat he would never think to tell me.
(31:13):
That are important when you talked about there's ahierarchy and you know, you got to be careful of who you say it was like, how do you go through a receiving line?
How do you do this?
How do you not look the protocols?
Yeah.
But it's all,
Ashley Gutermuth (31:24):
um, boring, but yet important if you screw it up, but I screwed, they used to introduce me as other colonels wives at, um, at, um, like formal events that used to happen.
One time I picked up a wing commander, physically picked him up.
He's a big, big dude.
I picked him up off the ground.
And then the, like, I've done all the things that youshouldn't do, but the problem is you have to have a personality that people go, Oh, she doesn't mean it.
(31:50):
And I've always had that.
Jodi (31:53):
Yeah.
Was there, is there some thing that you go back to somememory that you come back to where it was like some pivot point where you're like, okay, at this point I am, which would you say something about the establishment?
So where it was like, this is my turning point of.
Of craziness.
And at this point it can't help, but be funny.
And I am going to just call it and make, make all the funny I
Ashley Gutermuth (32:13):
can.
Yeah, I definitely was always trying to do things likethat with, and I was trying to get into like other ways to do like comedy and be creative in some way,
because, you know, like we lived in Warner Robins,Georgia for two years, which is the middle of nowhere, trying to, trying to be creative and create things is.
I don't know.
It makes me feel really good.
If I'm not creating something, then I get pretty miserable.
(32:36):
So I think that that's probably helpful to Any spousesout there or military members to then there's a couple of different ways to do it There's the asapasap.
org the armed services arts partnership, whichis free for dependents and military and they do writing and comedy classes and things like that.
But to find ways to create so that youdon't, so it doesn't come out in other ways.
(32:58):
Cause like, if I don't, then I misbehave, but it's
good to have outweighed.
It's good to have
Tom (33:05):
outlets.
Yeah.
You know what you should do is go on America's Got Talent.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:10):
Well, I have a lot of friends that have been on America's Got Talent and I had a producer that I was talking to a little bit.
America's Got Talent, there's, we, comedianwise, we usually end up losing to a dog.
And I don't know if my ego can take that.
Tom (33:22):
You know, Tom Cotter, if you know the name, right?
I know.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:24):
I know Tom Cotter.
Tom, I've, I've worked with Tom Cotter and his wife.
So
Tom (33:28):
let me tell you, let me tell you about him.
So he and I were fraternity brothers at Denison Universityand he was, he was our, he was my pledge master.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:37):
No way.
Tom (33:38):
Can you imagine being hazed by that guy that loses to a dog, right?
Ashley Gutermuth (33:41):
Oh my god.
He is so funny.
That's a true story.
Tom (33:44):
I'm not making that up, Ash, cause he was I believe you.
Yeah.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:46):
Have you talked to him since?
Tom (33:47):
No, I'm scared of him.
Ashley Gutermuth (33:49):
You should send him a message.
Him and his wife, Carrie Louise, and his brother's a colonel.
In the Navy, I think
Tom (33:55):
I've seen him perform twice.
And I would go, I would go up to him and hegoes, I have no idea who you are, . And, but yet I knew him and I watched, I watched him lose.
I was sad for him.
Ashley Gutermuth (34:07):
Tom is hilarious.
Tom (34:08):
He is.
He's that kind of hilarious, the quick, hilarious
Ashley Gutermuth (34:12):
Oh yeah.
He's he's the one-liner guy.
Yeah.
But I, I think he's the best at it.
Tom (34:16):
He's an angry man.
Yeah.
So social media is a big deal for you.
Cause if you have just a handfulmore followers than I do, but what
Jodi (34:29):
it's aspirational.
Tom (34:30):
So speaking of aspirational, what would, what kind of advice would you give if someone wants to be you don't answer that question.
If, um, if someone wants to be a comedian, any pitfallsto avoid or anything that you would give for guidance.
Ashley Gutermuth (34:44):
Well, the way to the quickest way to get the first 10, 000 followers is some it's just pictures of your feet Tied it.
Um,
Jodi (34:54):
I don't understand that whole thing either, by the way, but, but I, a lot of messages about it there.
Is there a thing about fe I'll tellyou later, I do not record that.
Tom , there's even a thing called Wiki feet.
You, I don't know about people's face.
Fan girl is, or.
I think you should keep both of those in separate conversations.
Okay.
We'll, we'll Google it.
Don't Google it on your work computer.
Tom (35:18):
It's going to, we're off the rails.
Yes.
Ashley Gutermuth (35:21):
So, here's what I would say, you need to do, you need to post a lot to be able to get comfortable.
That's what a lot of it is.
People are so nervous about being whatever they wantto be, figuring out who you are, whatever that means.
I don't even know if I believe that's a real thingbecause we change so much over the course of our life.
But just try to be, and do whatever you want to be.
(35:43):
Unless you're an absolutely, like, racistmonster, and then keep that on lock.
Put yourself in a bathroom and just hangout there for the rest of your life.
Might not be comedian material, if all that's true.
Might not be comedian material.
Just post a lot, and then try to help somebody.
Try to help them, and then if youget rebuffed, Burn the establishment.
(36:05):
That's my three step.
Jodi (36:08):
The last step in multiple things today has been burn down the establishment.
I'm sensing a trend.
I might not have eaten enough today.
You should put that on your LinkedIn.
Put it on your LinkedIn.
Actually, give it
Tom (36:19):
a minute.
It has to.
Jodi (36:20):
So, it is clear that you love what you do.
Just listening to you and this has been a fun time.
But, what's the most rewarding part of what you're doing?
I mean, what do you hope that the people that come and spendmoney to see you perform, what do you hope they walk away with?
Ashley Gutermuth (36:35):
Oh yeah.
I hope that they had a wonderful time, but youknow what, you never know what is happening.
So for example, there was a, um, when I was in Turkey, Idid a show and it was a small, it was Thanksgiving day and it was already kind of small and it's in like a cafeteria.
So it's a bit, there's a lot of things to contend with there.
So trying to make it as best as I can.
(36:55):
And then, um, one guy started talking about.
Like I asked the audience something and thatled to a soldier talking about his grandfather.
And he said, my grandfather was in Vietnam and he was a river.
He, he, he river patrol.
And I'm like, what, what does that mean?
And he is, he starts telling this really heavyduty story, uh, which is not conducive to comedy.
(37:18):
Right.
And I said.
Well, he said that he joined the military to be able to becomea citizen and I said let's give it up for that Let's everybody clap for that because that's amazing You know somebody that
that does that and he came up to me afterwards He lookslike he's about to cry and he's just like no one has ever said that no one has ever said Thank you for him doing that.
Well, obviously that was huge and So you'llsee people in the audience that are kind of like arms crossed and they seem miserable.
(37:42):
And then they come up to you afterwards and they'relike, I have never laughed that much in my entire life.
And you're like, how?
Oh my God.
From the stage, you're looking atthem like, what, why are you mad?
Why did you pay to be mad?
And then sometimes like I've had people.
I was doing the Military Influencers Conferenceand I was giving away prizes and one guy said I pulled his ticket, but then he was blind.
(38:04):
And then I was, I give things like that where people,you're like, no, he was just screwing with me.
But you just never know what is happening insomebody's head or, or even if they're not laughing.
And then they're just like, oh my God, that was wonderful.
And which is always, you know, that that's
Tom (38:21):
lovely, you know, when you have things like that.
I'm not, I'm not going to end
Jodi (38:26):
this.
No, no, I think it's awesome because younever, I mean, and I think that's true with what we do even here in a banking environment.
You never know what somebody's day has involved.
You never know what their perspectiveis, where they're coming from.
And if you can be a bright spot or a helpinghand, then we all do it in different ways.
But yeah, that's got to feel good.
Tom (38:44):
Renee couldn't stop talking about you.
I had to like change my phone numberbecause she was so excited about seeing you.
Jodi (38:50):
It was
Tom (38:51):
lost
Jodi (38:51):
Renee.
Yeah.
It's okay, Renee.
Tom (38:53):
You're good.
I'll
Jodi (38:54):
forward your calls to her.
Tom (38:55):
Just be nice so you can give me all these celebrity phone numbers, okay?
So just be nice to her.
Yeah.
So the final question.
Kind of is if you weren't a comedian,what would you be doing today?
And I know like you said you can't keep a jobdoing anything else because they'll either fire you or you'll get bored Or you'll have felonies too.
Ashley Gutermuth (39:15):
I've only almost been fired once they said if I didn't make any sales within two weeks Tom They would fire me and I said, well, you can't do that because I quit.
I'm bad at sales.
Tom (39:27):
What did you need?
What widget were you selling?
Ashley Gutermuth (39:29):
I was selling interactive whiteboards to schools that were made in Pennsylvania, but I was in the middle of England.
They hired me because I had an accent thatthey liked, and that's what they told me.
And then I used to call all day.
I'd call schools to try to sell theseinteractive whiteboards, but I did not care.
Why can't kids use blackboards?
Tom (39:48):
What was the per unit?
What was the per unit cost?
Ashley Gutermuth (39:52):
Oh God, I don't know.
But you know what?
That's not the only sales job that I failed at.
I also failed at, I sold bowling alleyparties for like Christmas and birthday.
That was also in England at an AMF bowling thatsubsequently burned to the ground after I left.
Uh, not me.
You did burn the establishment.
I literally burned it down.
I did burn the establishment.
You left England.
(40:12):
I did not.
I didn't sell any birthday parties.
That was the most money I've ever made though.
It was 14, 000 pounds a year.
And that, at the time, due to the poor dollarto pound ratio, that was like almost 30, 000.
So, hey, for not, for not doing any work, that's not bad.
That's the amount of Oreos,
Tom (40:33):
that's the amount of Oreos I eat in a year, too.
Girl Scout cookies.
Girls get 14, 000 pounds, yeah.
Jodi (40:39):
Oh my goodness.
I think, I think we talked about this a little bit earlier.
I want to make sure our audience knows where to find you orany last comments that you would want to share with them.
But we talked about your website.
Ashley.
Gut.
oo.com.
It's dot com, right?
Yes.
I wrote down the file.
She's on We gotta.com I, yeah.
Well some people pick weird thingsanymore, so Yeah, check her out there.
(40:59):
I assume they can go there if they have interest in booking youat an event or reaching out for any number of Hopefully yes.
Tom (41:06):
Very good.
Course.
We can book her here.
Jodi (41:08):
We could.
You could book her
Ashley Gutermuth (41:09):
here.
Yeah.
Have you been to Kansas
Tom (41:11):
City or Fort Leavenworth or No.
Ashley Gutermuth (41:13):
I did.
That's where I ate the marine crayons, uh,for the Kansas City Recruiting Station.
Oh yeah.
My husband was there.
For the Marines, yeah.
Jodi (41:22):
Yeah, my husband was with Kansas City Recruiting Battalion for a while.
Heck yeah.
Tom (41:26):
See, it all comes back to Kevin Bacon, doesn't it?
Every episode is Kevin Bacon.
Ashley Gutermuth (41:33):
I came into a town hall for the Marine spouses before the Marine Ball and the commander then said, okay, everybody, we're just going to talk about the next few months.
I want you to know, uh, I know your spouses are workinga lot, but I want you guys to know that Christmas.
You're going to have Christmas off.
And I was like, what is happening?
Oh my God.
Marine recruiters work so hard.
(41:54):
I will bang the drum.
That's going to be my new life purpose.
I want everyone to know how hard Marine recruiters work.
Tom (41:59):
My
Jodi (42:01):
husband was a recruiting man for a long time.
back in the day before they kind ofgot softer and gentler in their ways.
So, yeah, it is brutal.
Yeah, for sure.
Tom (42:10):
Let's play a game.
Jodi (42:11):
What's the time?
Tom (42:12):
Is it time?
Jodi (42:12):
Yeah.
Our game?
Tom (42:13):
Yeah.
Jodi (42:13):
Very good.
We will play the Military Minute.
Are you game, Ashley?
Tom (42:22):
If Ashley knows the answer to this.
Question from the last episode, I'm going to giveher 16 cents to buy two bags in the Seattle area.
Jodi (42:30):
Yes.
Callback.
Nice.
Yes.
Grocery, grocery shopping as it were.
Um, so military minute, we ask a question after every podcast.
And so last episode, we asked a question about aFrench artist famous for his water lilies paintings.
If you know that one, you can answer,can't answer the next question.
Cause do you think
Tom (42:50):
Ashley knows?
Jodi (42:51):
I don't know.
Do you know any French artists that paint a lot of water lilies?
You a lot of
Tom (42:55):
water Lillies it ri it rhymes with show showe.
Does that help Chobe?
Ashley Gutermuth (43:02):
It rhymes with, it's a total GaN
Tom (43:05):
Mo Monet, uh,
Ashley Gutermuth (43:07):
Monet.
Oh, of course Monet.
But him and I have a thing where we don'ttalk, so it's like, I can't even, so
Jodi (43:15):
yeah.
Tom (43:15):
Lily, you guess, right?
She did.
Oh, yeah.
She,
Jodi (43:18):
yes.
Oh yes.
So Claude, does Monet
Tom (43:20):
have a first name?
Jodi (43:20):
Claude?
Yeah.
With the E Claude Claude Monet.
Yeah.
So if you answered Claude Monet when we dropped our lastpodcast, watch for your name to be the one that was selected to win 50 for yourself and 50 for a charity of your choice
and then fast forward to this week's question, which youcannot answer, but you can like give us the high sign.
You
Tom (43:38):
know, give us acknowledgement if you know the answer to this question.
Okay, but don't say it.
I
Jodi (43:42):
only I guessed it like on a fifth time.
Maybe I was like fifth time.
So this week's military minutetakes us to a question about comedy.
Go figure.
According to the Rolling Stone magazine, whois the best stand up comedian of all time?
I don't know.
According to that, I'm not going to answer.
I have thoughts.
Well, we'll have thoughts after we stop recording.
Tom (44:02):
Yeah.
You know what you should do is, what was that?
What were you selling?
No, you were selling some sort of whiteboard, do iton your invisible whiteboard or whatever that was.
Yeah.
Interactive whiteboards.
Jodi (44:14):
Well, we'll get our guests after we, after we hang up the recording part of this.
But so if you know who, according to Rolling Stonemagazine was the best standup comedian of all time.
When we dropped this podcast, put your best guestsin the comments and you too could be selected for 50 for yourself and 50 for a charity of your choice.
Don't spend it all in one place.
Tom (44:32):
So if you enjoyed today, if you enjoyed today's episode, go out to AFBank.
com and subscribe to the show.
Also make sure to rate us, leave us a comment.
On your favorite platform, such asApple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
Thank you, Ashley.
Ashley Gutermuth (44:45):
Yeah.
This has been fun.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
It's a joy.
Tom (44:57):
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