July 9, 2025 • 40 mins
Welcome to the "Militarily Speaking" podcast with Tom McLean and Jodi Vickery.
In this episode of “Militarily Speaking,” Tom and Jodi dive into the inspiring world of veteran support and transition resources with guest Carmen White, Chief Operating Officer of Vets2Industry. This nonprofit is dedicated to helping veterans, military spouses, and caregivers successfully transition into civilian life by providing mentorship programs, scholarship opportunities, and the innovative B2I She Boss program for military spouses and women veterans. Carmen also highlights the importance of networking and the upcoming Vets2Industry events and career-building opportunities.
The conversation delves into the array of services Vets2Industry provides, including Tune in to discover how Vets to Industry is making a significant impact on the veteran community.
“Militarily Speaking” is a podcast produced by Armed Forces Bank that is dedicated to the military lifestyle and all the things that makes the military community who they are.
Ep. 83 – Jobless. Confused. Alone. How Vets2Industry Gives Veterans Hope AgainCarmen brings a wealth of insight, drawing from her experience as a commissioned officer in the U.S. Air Force and her career in human resources and workforce development. Now serving as COO of Vets2Industry, she shares how the organization’s mission is to eliminate confusion for transitioning service members by offering free access to curated tools, networks, and support systems.
Navigating Military Transition ChallengesThe group explores emotional and logistical challenges of leaving military service. From isolation to uncertainty, the conversation underscores the need for financial readiness, mentorship, and reliable resources when adjusting to civilian life.
Innovative Programs and Mentoring VeteransCarmen introduces listeners to the wide range of Vets2Industry initiatives, including the Post mentoring program, which connects veterans and spouses with mentors across industries. She also announces new programs aimed at empowering military spouses, especially those exploring entrepreneurship and career pivots.
Military spouses often face financial uncertainty due to frequent moves. That's why having access to flexible banking options—like joint checking accounts and online budgeting tools—can help support long-term financial stability.
Empowering Military Members With ResourcesOne of Vets2Industry’s strengths is its commitment to thoroughly vetting the resources it shares. Carmen explains the work behind building a trustworthy, accessible database and previews an AI-powered chatbot designed to help veterans quickly find the information they need.
Networking with Companies Hiring MilitaryCarmen shares exciting news about Vets2Industry’s upcoming virtual and in-person networking events, including a first-of-its-kind networking conference hosted at sea. These events are designed to connect veterans, recruiters, and support organizations in meaningful, life-changing ways.
A Closing MessageAs the conversation wraps up, Carmen thanks the partners and donors—like Signal Health Group—who make this work possible. She encourages veterans, military spouses, and supporters to get involved, explore mentorships, attend events, and take advantage of the free resources available at https://vets2industry.org/
Carmen White’s leadership and passion serve as a reminder that no veteran should transition alone. Through Vets2Industry and the support of mission-driven organizations, military families gain access to the tools, networks, and confidence they need to thrive beyond the uniform.
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Speaking episode 83, vets to Industry.
This episode we talk with CarmenWhite, chief Operating Officer and
board member with Vets to Industry.
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Welcome to Militarily Speaking,brought to you by Armed Forces Bank.
This is Tom McLean and Jody Vickery.
I'm the military retail exec, andJody is our Chief Digital Officer.
Welcome to our show.
We're really excited to have our audiencelearning and listening all about our
guest, Carmen White, and the rolethat you play with Vets to Industry.
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I am gonna take just a second, Carmenand, and share your bio with our audience.
So hang on tight.
This should all not be newinformation for you, but.
It will be perhaps new to our audience.
So Carmen's the Chief OperatingOfficer of Vets to Industry, a 5 0 1
C3 nonprofit organization, committedto establishing connections, sharing
knowledge, and identifying opportunitiesfor veterans and their families.
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In her role, she oversees dailyoperations, ensuring efficiency
and impactful service delivery toclients, partners, and sponsors.
Carmen is a former commissionedofficer in the United States Air Force.
Thank you for your service.
Yep.
Where she served as a personnel officerleading various personnel sections
and developing training curriculafor major weapon systems programs.
She also held the distinguished positionof Commandant of Cadets at North
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Carolina a and t State University,shaping future leaders through rigorous
leadership development programs.
Following that military service,she transitioned into a dynamic
career in human resourcesmanagement and entrepreneurship.
She founded and operated perfectpins, workforce solutions
and publishing company.
And I, I wanna find outmore about that later.
Yes.
Can we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
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I'm, I'm sure you will.
An HR consulting and publishingfirm, and she's currently the
owner of JEH Publishing Group.
Her professional experience includesserving as an HR consultant for the
Office of Personnel Management and asthe Mid-Atlantic Area manager for Higher
Heroes, USA, where she played a pivotalrole in successfully transitioning
nearly 1000 service members, veteransand spouses into civilian careers.
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And she also managed a team oftransition specialists covering
multiple states, including NorthCarolina, Virginia, Maryland,
Washington dc, and the Northeast region.
Got the Eastern seaboard covered almost.
Yeah.
Her extensive background in workforcedevelopment, career coaching and
organizational strategy has enabledher to build and implement effective
programs across diverse industries.
And her leadership within Vets toIndustry earned her the Volunteer
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Director of the Year award whileserving as Human Resources Manager.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
She holds an MBA master's degree ineducation and multiple professional
certifications including human resourcesmanagement, global career development
facilitator, certified professionalresume writer, certified career services
provider, and a paralegal certificate.
Do do you think I can.
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Take her credentials andadd 'em to my resume.
You can put
'em on your LinkedIn and then I'll start commenting on that to
call you out for it being false.
Why do you keep
going off on tangents like that?
Alright, keep going.
I know she's, there's,there's a lot to tell here.
She also attended North CarolinaCentral University School of Law
dedicated to community service.
She's an active member of the TriangleProfessional Women's Association and the
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National Career Development Association.
She also volunteers with Dress forSuccess Triangle and is a passionate
advocate for women's veterans issues.
Having served as an executive boardmember for Military Women's Collective,
and an advisor to the Transition Tribe,above all, she considers her greatest
role to be the mother to the bestson in the world and in her personal
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time, which I imagine is, that'sa little biased, don't you think?
Well, yeah.
I mean, all moms are supposedto say that though, right?
Yeah.
You, you have the secondbest son in the world, Jody.
No.
In case he ever listens tothis, he is also the center.
And that'll your first
Yeah.
In her personal time, she also enjoystraveling with her family, singing and
playing the piano, which is awesome.
So you don't hear about very manypeople playing the piano anymore,
you know?
Yeah.
But I want to hear some singing.
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Do you wanna hear some singing or not?
Do you think she'll do that for us?
Let's act like she's not here.
Oh, I played the piano asa kid and I did a recital.
Um, it was a song calledThe Astronaut Chopsticks.
I did start to learn drums,you know, with that little pad.
I didn't graduate from the pad.
There's a reason,there's, there's a reason.
So sure of hearing all about Tom'smusical, es escapade and she'll sing
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later.
Okay.
Yeah.
Carmen will close us out with a song.
Welcome Carmen.
It's an honor to have you on the show.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you, Brent Harbor doing me.
Yes.
Thank you for puttingup with Tom in advance.
I'd love to have you start by justtelling our audience a little bit
about vets to industry, at least ata big picture level, and then we have
all kinds of questions for you today.
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Absolutely.
I love talking about vets to industry,like as a former volunteer, now I
get to be one of the first employees.
I can talk about best industryall day, but the, the main thing
about best industry is that we.
You already know ourmission 'cause you read it.
But we really wanna be a force multiplierwith, with other organizations.
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And what that means is, as we leadpeople to our site to go through
all those resources that we vet andput on there for service members and
veterans and spouses to use, we wannamake sure that we're working together.
With those organizations who placetheir resources in our hands to
share, we believe that we're strongertogether, and that the industry's goal
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is just to be that one stop shop thateliminates confusion of, okay, what?
What do I do next?
What resource do I need now?
Because there's so many.
But then what do you do withthem when, when you get them?
So that's what we really wanna help to do.
Yeah.
No, I'm, that's a very value add service.
There are a lot.
The cool thing is thereare a lot of resources.
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Yeah.
There are a lot oforganizations that want to help.
The difficult thing then becomeshow do you navigate them?
Which ones can you use together?
And yeah.
So that's, that's great thaty'all are trying to put a bow on
that and bring it all together.
Absolutely.
Do you want to talk, Carmen,do you wanna talk more about.
How you, you got directly involved.
Did you get recruited?
Did you find the organization on your own?
How did you, after volunteering, Iguess, then you volunteered so well
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that they extended an offer to you.
Is that how you got involved?
How'd you get involved from the start?
It,
it's like it, this story, it makes it.
Like, like it was meant to be like one ofthose stories that you know is meant to
be So the former, not the former, but thefounder, I say former 'cause he's moved
on to to better things in his career,but he reached out to me on LinkedIn
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one day to say, Hey, there's somethingon your website when I was working.
For Higher Heroes, USA.
He said there's something onthe website that's incorrect.
I thought you might, you know, wannaknow that so you could correct it.
And I was like, oh, thank you so much.
You are right.
I went and looked at it and it wasincorrect and I was able to share that.
And then he was like, Hey,I looked at your background.
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We have a few grassroots volunteers wemeet every week to help the community.
If you're interested, here's the link.
Please join us.
And so I didn't join the, I thinkit was maybe like three weeks before
I joined, and when I joined, itwas about six volunteers on there.
And what attracted me is they were like,okay, there's this veteran and they need
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help with X, Y, and Z who can do this?
And then there's another veteran.
He just reached out to us and this ishow things are going, who can follow up?
It was very like.
Just, you know, impersonal.
But they were called to action andI was like, okay, I can do this.
And every week theattendance seemed to grow.
There were more volunteerswho wanted to help.
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There were more people who needed help,and then they started giving out roles.
And I somehow became thehuman resources director.
I was down and told, Hey,this is your background.
You have this HR certificate, you do this.
And I was like, okay.
So I kind of built up that department.
We built up volunteersand the rest is history.
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So we just really grew.
We grew from having that, that onein-person, well, it was supposed to
be in-person event, but because ofCOVID, it turned into a virtual event
and then that took off and that's howpeople really started to know our name.
Well, in the background, I was justbuilding up volunteers who were
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wanted to pursue HR as a career.
But didn't have those real lifeskills, so we actually did things like
payroll for, at the time, the companyhad a few part-time employees, so
we did payroll for those employees.
We did training, and I was helpingthose volunteers with the systems
that we used and giving them thatHR inside information so they could.
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Pursue careers, and that'sreally how it started.
All of the departments began doingthat, and so not only did we become
this hub where people could go forresources, and then that networking,
it became a place where volunteerscould come and give their skills.
Put it on their resume andput it to real life use.
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It just became its own machine.
And so coming forward to today, when,when they were able to get funding
from this wonderful organization calledSignal Health Group, they brought on.
The founder as a full-time employee,and then he asked me if I would come
on and help with operations becauseI knew all about the organization,
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so I was like a fairytale.
It was meant to be.
You talk about Brian Arrington, right?
He was the founder, yeah.
Yes.
An Air Force veteran.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
That's a good story.
It's, it's good when you just feellike it's, it's the right thing.
Right.
You just know, you're know,you're in the right place.
You know, we're gonna haveto keep going back to Karma.
Right.
I know.
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'cause her name's Carmen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that alliteration or something else?
No, I don't know.
Okay.
Good.
Did I already apologize for him?
I think I did.
No.
Carmen's Carmen's thrilled to be here.
She is.
She is.
I wanna, I wanna dig into some of the, thethings that you see as you're working with
veterans and service members a little bit.
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I think we've got a, a handful ofquestions to ask you about that for sure.
But I think.
There's all kinds, there's a plethora ofresources on the website, but what are
some of the biggest challenges that yousee with transitioning service members?
What are they knocking on the doorthe most for, for help with and how?
How does vets to industry bridge that gap?
That's a great question.
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And we see this day in and dayout as we, as we work with people.
And it was one of the things that,that I found also in my transition,
but I didn't know it right away, butjust help with, I think the number
one thing is finding someone thatthey can talk to, who knows the path.
That's the number one thing you, theyall feel like they're in it alone.
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They have to take this journey.
They don't know what to do.
They don't know who to talkto, and they feel isolated.
So the first thing is say,oh no, you're not alone.
You have, not only do you have accessto people who've done this before,
you who wanna help, but you haveaccess to all of these resources.
And then we can say, okay, and this ishow, this is how we're gonna tackle this.
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But that's the number one thing, justbeing alone and not knowing what to do.
And for some people it's overwhelming.
Some people, not so much.
They might have a plan already and youknow, they're ready to execute their
plan, but most people just not knowingand feeling alone in the process.
Yeah, no, I think that's right.
I remember when my husband transitionedout, he served 20 years in the army,
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in the active army and it, it wasoverwhelming and it felt like you
were being asked to make choices that.
You couldn't undo later.
They were like, you haveto make it right now.
And they bounced you from like desk todesk in the out processing center, right?
Yeah.
And you had to decide And Exactly.
Hopefully we picked, right.
Well, I guess time will tell,
but he probably didn't, he probablydidn't have any people in his camp,
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if you will, that would give him.
Tutelage guidance or it was kind of goingon a wing and of prayer a little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did the best we could.
We'll see.
We all seem to do thatthough, to be honest.
Yeah.
And that's one thing we wanna change.
I know when I got out, I didn't, even,when I got out, I, I knew I was gonna
be a stay at home mom for a while.
So even though I had a resume, Ihad that first master's degree.
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I didn't care about any of that.
I was just like, I'm goingto be a mother, la la, la.
Don't talk about networking,don't talk to me about the resume.
I don't really care.
But when it came time and I neededto care, I was in a really bad place
because I did, I underestimatedhow the process would be.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, I thinkwe all feel that way.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
It is nice to see a lot of thesetransitioning resources out there too.
I think career transitioning seemsto be, I. A hot topic these days
has been around for a long time, butwhether it's hiring our heroes or
military spouse employment partnership,there's just organizations that are
in abundance out there that are there.
It's nice that you put all underone roof to get people to you and.
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Help make it easy for 'em.
But there's, there's a lot ofjob seeking options out there.
And your website is vets to industry.org.
So how do you get postings out there?
Or do partners supply 'em with you ordo you, do you seek them out so you
make them available when you I. Sort ofhunt and peck a little bit around the
industry to see what's available for vets.
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We do all those things.
So we are always on a hunt to, toresearch the best resources for veterans.
We have an extensive vettingprocess that we go through to make
sure that the services that we addaren't predatory to the community.
Then they're not gonna harm them inany way that they are beneficial.
We do.
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Also have a, on our website, we ask forpeople to submit resources for us to vet.
So we do it in a, in a, a number of ways.
'cause there's so many, like yousaid, we, we'll probably never
gather them all, but we're gonna try,
well, at least people know that ifthey come to your website, there's
been somebody that's kind of giventhem a once over to make sure
that it's, it's above board, boardseal approval if you'll better.
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Yeah.
Yes.
Because that, that step by itself could beoverwhelming and time consuming for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I, I noticed on your website too, youhave a mentor program and I've been
a part of mentor programs off and onover my career and one of the things
when somebody asks you to be a mentor,you always sort of, you wanna do it,
but then you're like, well, that mightsound like a big time commitment.
I'm not sure.
You know, I wanna give it my all.
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Talk about that program you've made it.
Super easy it looks like to sign up onyour site, but could you talk about the,
what are the expectations for mentors?
We probably have people listening inour audience that would be really well
suited to do that kind of thing, butwhat would, what would their expectations
be if they were to, to take that leap?
Absolutely.
So that program is called.
Post Veteran and we support it.
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It's a standalone program.
If you remember Veteran, that closedunfortunately about a year ago.
A lot of us, a lot ofvets, industry volunteers.
We were also volunteer mentorswith Veteran because they had the
established program and we justfound that we worked well together.
So when the, the platform closed.
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Our sponsor also generously wanted tobring that program back because they saw
how beneficial it was for the community.
Like we were really ininwardly, we were so crushed.
We were like, what are we gonna do?
Be is going like, that'sthe place where we mentor.
So they brought it back.
As post ti and it is stilla standalone platform.
We just support it.
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We support the operationsso it's easy to sign up.
You just go to that site.
It's a, it's attached to our website, butit's also a standalone post ti.org, and
you can register to be a mentor or mentee.
And the platform literallyis, is identical to the, to
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the old veterinary system.
You register, you get to put in yourown availability, so you set the hours
that you are available for the mentee.
Like they can't schedule a timeunless the mentor made it available.
So that that puts that, that limit.
So it's not overwhelming for thementor or the mentee and just.
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Expectations that we havebecause we also vet mentors.
We are looking for peoplewho just wanna give back.
So if you are a veteran or a militaryspouse who wants to give back, pay
it forward, share knowledge, then youwill make the perfect mentor for us.
Well, for post ve
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Yes.
Yes.
What are there, are there specific areas?
Maybe that you might have a gap right now,or you're looking for more people to be
mentors so they can fill that unmet need?
Absolutely.
We do look for mentors in all industries.
We wanna have all those covered.
I won't necessarily say thereare gaps because we don't.
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Look at it like that.
We, we opened up this platform to makeit available for people to come and serve
or take advantage of as they need to.
So we have an opening for every industrybecause we want the, we want mentors
who sign up to have access to thatknowledge for people in all career fields.
So it, it's a call for allcareer fields, all industries,
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all experience, background.
Those who wanna give back andhave that knowledge and time too,
we welcome them to the platform.
So beyond transitioningservice members, other specific
programs you have for spouses?
Through vets to industry or caregiversif they're, if that happens to
be someone that comes to you.
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You.
That's a, that's huge Breaking news.
We,
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you have breaking news her hearing it herefirst, but we are, we have this program
and we called it B two I, she boss.
And it's just for our militaryspouses and our, our women that
are just a sneak peek because we,when we say we are combining those.
Two demographics.
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People are like, wait a minute, what?
Those are two different,what are you doing?
But it's, it's so differentand it's so innovative.
It's just gonna be a program tohelp veterans and spouses who are
interested in entrepreneurship, andwe have a dynamic, innovative program.
We're going to end, we'regonna introduce it this summer.
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And I cannot wait to share more.
I'm so excited you can see
you.
I can hear it in your voice.
I'm so excited about this program.
'cause I always think, oh my gosh, what ifthis was available when I was coming out?
Yeah.
I could have, oh my goodness.
It could have helped me.
So much with, with my beginning and mybudding entrepreneurship, those things
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I was trying to do, calling myselfan entrepreneur, it could've helped
me so much.
So I'm very
excited about it.
Well, it's very cool though thatnow you're in a position to, to pay
that forward and help somebody elsewho, yes, he's embarking on that.
You know, we've talked about it,a few things that we've, we've
come across on your website.
There is just, there's a mountain ofstuff out there to be, to be super honest.
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Yeah.
A lot of resources.
How, how do people navigate that?
How would you help them navigate that?
Do they typically come toyou with kind of a specific.
Thing that they're trying to figureout, or they just come to you and say,
I have no idea what my questions are.
I'm starting out.
Point me, yeah.
Point me somewhere, anywhere.
What, what do you see beingthe case most, most typically?
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I think the, the number one thingthat we get is, Hey, we need help.
We need resume assistance.
We need job interview assistance.
And so we always direct, we havea, we have a. Kind of entrance
process that we do with people.
So if they are just coming in, they seeus from our website or word of mouth.
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They can email us and connectwith one of our volunteers who
can help them fill those gaps.
And so we train them to say, tolead them to the website first so
that they can search for all theresources there on the website.
But like you said, it's a lot onthere, so it can be overwhelming.
So we kind of have like a, a checklistof the top things that they might need
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at different periods of their transition.
And we also.
Based off of a questionnaire thatwe have, we also use that to guide
them through the right places to go.
We're currently innovating our website,so we have a, a chat bot that's
also integrated with our websiteto help with that process as well.
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And as AI grows and thenit is definitely growing.
We wanna, and we wannaintegrate that more.
To make that search process even easierbecause like you said, that can be a
barrier and we definitely don't want that
to be when, for people who need help.
Yeah.
I do know you say that, I doremember seeing the chat bot out
there when we were on the website.
Yeah.
Very cool.
You've got Carmen, you've got somevirtual networking events, is that right?
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Yeah.
You have to fact check me to makesure that we're right about these
things, but so who, who joins those?
Who are the right people to join them?
What, what should they expectduring those events, frequency
and content and follow up maybe.
But just talk a little bit aboutthe virtual networking events.
Absolutely.
Those events are specifically fortransitioning military members, members
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who are currently serving their spouses,family members, anyone needing assistance
in transitioning from their career.
So whatever stage that is, and we inviterecruiters to come and share jobs.
We invite.
Better service organizations to comeand share their programs and resources.
The goal is to networkon a more personal level.
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You know, we, we recommend, when we saynetworking, the first thing we do is
say, we, you have to be on LinkedIn.
If you're searching for ajob, you need to be on there.
And c, we say connect with people.
Connect with people.
But I sure still, and makesure, make sure you say open
to work in your little circle.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
But it can feel so inauthenticon LinkedIn because you connect
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and then what do you say?
You don't, you don't know the person.
So our networking events kind ofeliminate those steps where you have
to feel awkward about getting to knowone, like you have an open invitation.
Our network becomes our attendeesnetwork and they can connect really
quickly and in a very natural way.
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It and it's almost as if the recruitersand the veteran service organizations
are there saying, Hey, we're here.
You know, we wanna meet you.
We wanna help you with your needs.
And it kind, it eliminates the awkwardnessthat networking on your own can feel.
And we, we know that networking canget employment faster than any resume.
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It's who you know sometimes that's true.
Right?
It's who, you know.
I used to say this all the time when,when I was at my other job, if when we
had openings, I hired people and I did.
If I didn't know who I wanted to hireor was a, you know, we had a big.
A lot of people to choose from.
My, my, my mind went blank and wehad a lot of people to choose from.
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If people on my team who I already workedwith and I already trusted, if they said,
Hey, I ha I know someone, I used to workwith them in the army, or I used to work
with so and so on my last job, I wouldprobably hire them or I'm definitely
gonna interview them because they havethe trust of someone I already trust.
And that's all about,that's what networking does.
(24:56):
So.
It's important and,
and that's why thoseare so important to us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You think about the people thatyou're you, you think about the
people that I've hired here.
I mean, it's people that
either had worked them in thepast, either a referral from
somebody, or you've worked with themin a prior life somewhere, or, yeah.
Yeah.
Take some of the guessworkout of it for sure.
You want, should I give you a littlebehind the curtain thing on Tom McLean?
(25:18):
So, my first job, I'm afraid
to say you're gonna do itanyway, if they know my first job
back in 19 post RA was.
What year was that?
19 French.
Was I, because I was, I, I was areally good tennis player and I
played tennis with the CEO of a bank.
Wow.
I beat him and next thing youknow, I had an interview with
the head of HR and I was hired.
Wow.
Wow.
I can't tell you that it was a, it wasactually a management associate position
(25:42):
in a bank for an 18 month program.
Wow.
All because you could tennis,all because I knew the right guy.
Did you skill beat him?
I did.
I'd beat him.
So he
is a good sport then
too.
He, he knew I was competitive.
Nice.
Well done.
That, that hasn't happened.
I'm not competitivetoday, so I've changed.
Oh yeah.
Not
at all.
Not at all.
That,
that's the power of networking though.
It is.
(26:02):
You know, my, when I joined the,when I was commissioned in the Air
Force, my dad said, Hey Carmen,you need to join the officers club.
And I was like, dad, I don't what, why?
I don't even, and he was like, no, you,you need to join the officer's club.
And that's really literally all he said.
Well, my very first duty station, myboss, I'll never forget, I was at my
(26:28):
initial meeting with him and I was takingnotes on what he wanted me to do and he
said, Hey, every Friday about five 30,we all head over to the officer's club.
And I'm like, oh, okay,
can
I go?
It's, you know, it's that networking time.
It's that nobody's talking about work.
It's just all about networking.
And I literally got one of theassignments that I had later, my
(26:49):
special, my special duty assignment.
I received that from arelationship that I at
the opposites so.
There you go.
Yeah.
And there's countless stories like that.
You know, I gotta, I gotta tell you,Carmen, that one of the things on the
website that I was particularly drawnto as a mom of a college student was
(27:10):
the scholarships opportunities as well.
I know that when my son started college,I was after him all the time to go,
you know, I'm like, there's, there's.
There's money out therethat never gets claimed.
Nobody, because nobody applies for it.
They don't know how.
How are you working to spread theword about that part of what you do?
Who's eligible?
Typically for the kind of scholarshipsthat y'all share on your website,
(27:33):
you might send my son out there too'cause he's still got two years left.
I love his question 'causeI love scholarships and
we're, and we're honestly.
In the middle of updating our site andhow people find those scholarships.
But right now, therefore, veterans andveteran family members, we have about
110 scholarships on the site rightnow, and you can find them in two ways.
(27:57):
You can either do like an overallsearch and, and say vets to industry
scholarships, or you can go straightto the resource page and type in.
Scholarships.
But what we're doing currently iswe're going through all of those
110 links that we have to make to,number one, make sure they're updated,
and then number two, we're going tocategorize them so that people can
(28:19):
easily see, okay, is this for veterans?
Is this for spouses?
Is this for family members?
Is it for all?
To make it easier for that search?
So what's a great question?
I know if it's easy, thenmy funnel will Right.
Exactly.
Got a higher probability of success.
Yeah.
(28:40):
You mentioned earlier about Signal, right?
Signal Health Group that was graciousenough to support you financially.
Right.
Yes.
So let's talk, let'stake that a step further.
How, how can people donate,sponsor get involved?
You, you've got a great storythat you told our audience, but
what do you recommend that you,that our audience should do if
they want to reach out financiallyor reach out and, and volunteer?
(29:03):
I.
If they want to donate, they cango to our site@vetsindustry.org.
That first page, you'llsee a donate here tab.
I believe they're on everypage, but, but that's way an
important middle model.
All you around the page.
She's gonna integrate the chat feature.
(29:25):
I'm just
saying, have you looked at
this button yet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then on this site as well, there'sa tab that allows you to go it.
It says where you can help, andthat's where you can sign up to
be a best industry volunteer.
Carmen, is this a real number?
Can I throw out a number to you?
Yes.
(29:46):
You educate between 220 and 240,000.
Transitioning service members annually?
Well, we have to this point since 2019.
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you for clarifying that.
Absolutely.
Always.
Gotta fact
check
your
Jody.
I haven't said this in a while.
I think that's
why I'm here.
(30:06):
I think that's why I was put on
this
earth.
What's, no, I think, I think youhave an attitude problem today.
You love me.
You love
me.
Yeah.
So I was gonna ask as we, as wekind of wrap up the, the podcast,
I was gonna ask what are theexciting new initiatives coming?
But we already got thetease about boss then.
Yeah.
Little sneak peek this summer.
Um, so are there other things besidesthat, that are, that have you all excited
(30:30):
that are coming soon for vets to industry?
Absolutely.
So we have our, our networkingconference last year.
We had our very first onethis year we're continuing it.
It's gonna be at sea.
It won't always be at sea, but this yearit is from July, did you say at sea?
Yeah.
Yes.
At as an
SEA.
(30:50):
Alright.
I didn't know if it was.
Little letters.
Okay.
I'm with you.
July 19th through 20, excuse me.
Oh my gosh.
I'm so excited.
I forgot the dates.
July 19th through 27th will be okay.
On board Carnival Horizon forour networking conference.
It's gonna be amazing 'cause we'regonna be joined by some other veteran
(31:10):
service organizations and othermilitary supporters given small
workshops on their organizationsand on the transition process.
So that's coming up and this week.
I don't know when this show will air,but by the time it does, we will have
2028.
Nope.
No, it's not, it'll not that far out.
(31:30):
It'll probably be after thisevent you're gonna describe, but
if it, if it's a recurring event,it'll be good to share anyway.
Okay.
Well, we're gonna be introducing our NTRM.
President to everyone Oh,
wow.
On, on May 7th.
So we're very, a lot of breaking news
coming out of
this.
That sounds like it'sin the next 24 hours.
That's really breaking news.
(31:51):
Yeah.
So, Carmen, what else have,what have we not thought to
ask you about vets to industry?
Well, one thing I wanna sharetoo is we, we've introduced.
Some industry specific webinars, andwe've started off with the broadband
industry and our focus with that is to,because we say we're vets to industry,
so what we wanna do is we wanna introduceour community to different industries
(32:16):
that they may not have thought about,but that are seeking veterans to come
and make the most of it thriving.
So we're starting off withthe broadband industry.
We did an industry.
An an opening, just like an introductionof what the broadband industry is.
We're gonna have a few more sessions wherewe're breaking it down a little more, kind
(32:36):
of comparing it, okay, this is what youdid in the military, this is probably what
you can do in, in a broadband, uh, career.
And then introduce that withsome career fairs along with it.
And we wanna do that with thefew specialized industries
that not everyone knows about.
You know, the big oneseverybody knows about.
(32:57):
You know it or hr, but there are otherplaces where veterans can work and
thrive, and we're introducing that inour industry specific webinar series.
Very good.
Very good.
All kinds of breaking news.
All good stuff.
Does she sound prettypassionate about what she does?
She does.
She does.
She sounds
very pumped up about what she does, which
is cool.
We're lucky to have her.
Yes.
Yes.
Before we get to the military minute.
(33:19):
Yes.
Why was it called perfect pens?
Oh my goodness.
We have to know, is it a, is it a storyworth telling or should we just move on?
Oh, yes.
It's the, it's a story worth telling.
Well, okay.
Remember earlier when I saidI had underestimated the jobs,
(33:40):
what the jobs search would be?
Oh, yeah.
In and out of the military.
So when it was time for me to finda job, I, I needed to pivot a little
bit because I was having trouble.
I, I didn't have, what I didn'tknow at the time was I just
didn't have the right resume.
I wasn't presenting myself theway I needed to to get people
to be interested in my skills.
(34:02):
So I started a business and I wasworking with people with editing.
Like my friend at the time, shewas getting her doctorate degree.
And she needed help with herdissertation and I helped her.
We had like a few sessions and shewas like, oh my gosh, Corman, you,
you're really talented with those pens.
And she was telling I was agood writer and I was like, I
(34:24):
think I could start a business.
And I was like thinking ofwhat I could name it and how
I could incorporate that name.
And I was like, oh, perfect.
Pins.
That's,
that's it.
That's like two men in atruck or something, right?
Yeah.
It was probably gonna be a story likethat and I should have figured it out,
but here we are.
(34:47):
You always say the right thing, Jody.
I know, I know.
So if you're game Carmen, we'dlove to have you hang out for
just a couple more seconds withus and play the military minute.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Okay.
She's, I have no idea what it's,but she's been, God, it's a tri,
we'll call it a trivia game, and wetry to center it around our guests
(35:10):
as they, as they come on the show.
Sometimes we just do pop culture, but onour last podcast, our question was about
Colorado State University, so it would.
Maybe be weird to me if youknew this, but super cool.
If you do, you're welcome to answer it.
So what are the three former namesof Colorado State University?
And this was our question, I thinkbecause our guest had attended.
(35:31):
Attended, yeah.
Colorado State University.
I, he also gave us a perplexedlook when we asked him.
Right.
Well, 'cause this is notprobably facts that people just
carry around lot of words too.
Yeah.
Any random guess.
Okay.
Okay.
Lemme put my figure cap on.
Because you said it's astate university, right?
Colorado State University.
What were the three?
Three former names.
Okay.
(35:51):
And I'm gonna go off of.
Google where I used to be com ofcadets because they had like a
stimulus name in their history, butthey were an agriculture college.
Did you hear that?
So could it have been likeColorado Agriculture College
or something like that?
(36:12):
That's one
of the three.
That's super impressive.
You need to stop.
You need to stop whileyou're ahead, Carmen.
'cause you, it can onlygo downhill from here.
I give you a gold star for that.
Yeah, because that was, that's
super impressive.
Yeah.
I never would've gotten there.
You actually thought through that.
I just was like, I have no idea.
Move on.
Well, well done you.
Yeah.
So that was, I'm guessing,no, that was right.
(36:35):
So one of the three names wasColorado Agricultural College.
The second name was Colorado StateCollege of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts.
Back just probably why wewent to a shorter name.
And then the third onewas Colorado Agricultural.
That's hard to say.
A mechanical college.
So yeah, a little nuance
to the name.
Yeah.
Colorado State Universityis super easy to, I know.
(36:56):
CSU lock in on that.
Right?
So transitioning to this week's militaryminute, you can't answer this one.
Even if, you know, because we're gonnatee this one up for our audience, but
you know, when this airs, it shouldbe month of the military child or.
This was actually gonna be duringmonth of the military child that
I asked this question with Carmen.
Oh.
So now it's just
about month of the military child.
Yeah, but you know
(37:16):
what?
The military child is 12 monthsout of the year, so that is true.
It's a good, good question.
Anyway.
That's true.
My
children think it is 12 months out.
Especially they say, mom,it's why allowance here yet?
Yes.
So in
what year was the monthof the military child?
Established and by whom?
Don't answer.
Don't answer.
Tom.
You know the answer'cause you looked it up.
But if you are in our audience, youcan answer when this podcast drops.
(37:39):
Comment your best guess for when the monthor the year of the month of the military
child was established and who establishedit and if you are the correct answer.
Provider.
I was gonna say answerer.
Answerer.
I'm okay with that answer provider.
I pass
the test
and your name is drawn.
You can win $50 for yourself and$50 for a charity of your choice.
And if you happen to get all threenames of Colorado State University
(38:03):
correct after the last podcast, alsowatch for your name to be posted as
the lucky winner of $50 for yourselfand $50 for a charity or choice.
If they did some sort of rational thinkinglike Carmen did, they probably would've
been able to answer all three of those.
Right?
Or just said google.com or,
Hey Siri, what was the Thatwould be, yeah, super easy.
(38:24):
You know, like 10 years fromnow, people say, what was Siri?
I know, right?
Yeah.
It moves that fast.
Yeah.
Why I'm glad she's doingbroadband industry.
'cause it's, yeah, it's a lot.
Definitely.
Thank you Carmen.
Yeah.
Thank you for being here today.
Thank you for having me.
I, I don't wanna leave.
Maybe not feel welcome.
Well,
(38:44):
if Tom's
gonna say, well how does that affect
on people?
I do.
I'd.
I've got a couple pages of notes.
Jody, if you want to, to cover,which is, which is probably
not a lie if can get home.
Tom,
if you enjoy today to, if you enjoytoday's episode because Carmen could be
here for another day or so with us, goout to abank.com, subscribe to the show.
Rate us, leave us a comment abouthow you enjoyed Jodi so much on
(39:09):
your favorite podcast platform suchas Apple, Spotify, and YouTube.
I really enjoy this time.
You're such a karma.
You made it.
You made it fun.
Yes.
And informative If lifted, your I'd have
left.
What?
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
It was a pleasure to meet you.
You as well.
Well done.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
(39:29):
Bye.
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Speaking episode 83, vets to Industry.
This episode we talk with CarmenWhite, chief Operating Officer and
board member with Vets to Industry.
(00:22):
Welcome to Militarily Speaking,brought to you by Armed Forces Bank.
This is Tom McLean and Jody Vickery.
I'm the military retail exec, andJody is our Chief Digital Officer.
Welcome to our show.
We're really excited to have our audiencelearning and listening all about our
guest, Carmen White, and the rolethat you play with Vets to Industry.
(00:42):
I am gonna take just a second, Carmenand, and share your bio with our audience.
So hang on tight.
This should all not be newinformation for you, but.
It will be perhaps new to our audience.
So Carmen's the Chief OperatingOfficer of Vets to Industry, a 5 0 1
C3 nonprofit organization, committedto establishing connections, sharing
knowledge, and identifying opportunitiesfor veterans and their families.
(01:04):
In her role, she oversees dailyoperations, ensuring efficiency
and impactful service delivery toclients, partners, and sponsors.
Carmen is a former commissionedofficer in the United States Air Force.
Thank you for your service.
Yep.
Where she served as a personnel officerleading various personnel sections
and developing training curriculafor major weapon systems programs.
She also held the distinguished positionof Commandant of Cadets at North
(01:27):
Carolina a and t State University,shaping future leaders through rigorous
leadership development programs.
Following that military service,she transitioned into a dynamic
career in human resourcesmanagement and entrepreneurship.
She founded and operated perfectpins, workforce solutions
and publishing company.
And I, I wanna find outmore about that later.
Yes.
Can we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
(01:47):
I'm, I'm sure you will.
An HR consulting and publishingfirm, and she's currently the
owner of JEH Publishing Group.
Her professional experience includesserving as an HR consultant for the
Office of Personnel Management and asthe Mid-Atlantic Area manager for Higher
Heroes, USA, where she played a pivotalrole in successfully transitioning
nearly 1000 service members, veteransand spouses into civilian careers.
(02:09):
And she also managed a team oftransition specialists covering
multiple states, including NorthCarolina, Virginia, Maryland,
Washington dc, and the Northeast region.
Got the Eastern seaboard covered almost.
Yeah.
Her extensive background in workforcedevelopment, career coaching and
organizational strategy has enabledher to build and implement effective
programs across diverse industries.
And her leadership within Vets toIndustry earned her the Volunteer
(02:31):
Director of the Year award whileserving as Human Resources Manager.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
She holds an MBA master's degree ineducation and multiple professional
certifications including human resourcesmanagement, global career development
facilitator, certified professionalresume writer, certified career services
provider, and a paralegal certificate.
Do do you think I can.
(02:52):
Take her credentials andadd 'em to my resume.
You can put
'em on your LinkedIn and then I'll start commenting on that to
call you out for it being false.
Why do you keep
going off on tangents like that?
Alright, keep going.
I know she's, there's,there's a lot to tell here.
She also attended North CarolinaCentral University School of Law
dedicated to community service.
She's an active member of the TriangleProfessional Women's Association and the
(03:13):
National Career Development Association.
She also volunteers with Dress forSuccess Triangle and is a passionate
advocate for women's veterans issues.
Having served as an executive boardmember for Military Women's Collective,
and an advisor to the Transition Tribe,above all, she considers her greatest
role to be the mother to the bestson in the world and in her personal
(03:33):
time, which I imagine is, that'sa little biased, don't you think?
Well, yeah.
I mean, all moms are supposedto say that though, right?
Yeah.
You, you have the secondbest son in the world, Jody.
No.
In case he ever listens tothis, he is also the center.
And that'll your first
Yeah.
In her personal time, she also enjoystraveling with her family, singing and
playing the piano, which is awesome.
So you don't hear about very manypeople playing the piano anymore,
you know?
Yeah.
But I want to hear some singing.
(03:54):
Do you wanna hear some singing or not?
Do you think she'll do that for us?
Let's act like she's not here.
Oh, I played the piano asa kid and I did a recital.
Um, it was a song calledThe Astronaut Chopsticks.
I did start to learn drums,you know, with that little pad.
I didn't graduate from the pad.
There's a reason,there's, there's a reason.
So sure of hearing all about Tom'smusical, es escapade and she'll sing
(04:18):
later.
Okay.
Yeah.
Carmen will close us out with a song.
Welcome Carmen.
It's an honor to have you on the show.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you, Brent Harbor doing me.
Yes.
Thank you for puttingup with Tom in advance.
I'd love to have you start by justtelling our audience a little bit
about vets to industry, at least ata big picture level, and then we have
all kinds of questions for you today.
(04:39):
Absolutely.
I love talking about vets to industry,like as a former volunteer, now I
get to be one of the first employees.
I can talk about best industryall day, but the, the main thing
about best industry is that we.
You already know ourmission 'cause you read it.
But we really wanna be a force multiplierwith, with other organizations.
(05:02):
And what that means is, as we leadpeople to our site to go through
all those resources that we vet andput on there for service members and
veterans and spouses to use, we wannamake sure that we're working together.
With those organizations who placetheir resources in our hands to
share, we believe that we're strongertogether, and that the industry's goal
(05:25):
is just to be that one stop shop thateliminates confusion of, okay, what?
What do I do next?
What resource do I need now?
Because there's so many.
But then what do you do withthem when, when you get them?
So that's what we really wanna help to do.
Yeah.
No, I'm, that's a very value add service.
There are a lot.
The cool thing is thereare a lot of resources.
(05:46):
Yeah.
There are a lot oforganizations that want to help.
The difficult thing then becomeshow do you navigate them?
Which ones can you use together?
And yeah.
So that's, that's great thaty'all are trying to put a bow on
that and bring it all together.
Absolutely.
Do you want to talk, Carmen,do you wanna talk more about.
How you, you got directly involved.
Did you get recruited?
Did you find the organization on your own?
How did you, after volunteering, Iguess, then you volunteered so well
(06:09):
that they extended an offer to you.
Is that how you got involved?
How'd you get involved from the start?
It,
it's like it, this story, it makes it.
Like, like it was meant to be like one ofthose stories that you know is meant to
be So the former, not the former, but thefounder, I say former 'cause he's moved
on to to better things in his career,but he reached out to me on LinkedIn
(06:30):
one day to say, Hey, there's somethingon your website when I was working.
For Higher Heroes, USA.
He said there's something onthe website that's incorrect.
I thought you might, you know, wannaknow that so you could correct it.
And I was like, oh, thank you so much.
You are right.
I went and looked at it and it wasincorrect and I was able to share that.
And then he was like, Hey,I looked at your background.
(06:51):
We have a few grassroots volunteers wemeet every week to help the community.
If you're interested, here's the link.
Please join us.
And so I didn't join the, I thinkit was maybe like three weeks before
I joined, and when I joined, itwas about six volunteers on there.
And what attracted me is they were like,okay, there's this veteran and they need
(07:14):
help with X, Y, and Z who can do this?
And then there's another veteran.
He just reached out to us and this ishow things are going, who can follow up?
It was very like.
Just, you know, impersonal.
But they were called to action andI was like, okay, I can do this.
And every week theattendance seemed to grow.
There were more volunteerswho wanted to help.
(07:35):
There were more people who needed help,and then they started giving out roles.
And I somehow became thehuman resources director.
I was down and told, Hey,this is your background.
You have this HR certificate, you do this.
And I was like, okay.
So I kind of built up that department.
We built up volunteersand the rest is history.
(07:57):
So we just really grew.
We grew from having that, that onein-person, well, it was supposed to
be in-person event, but because ofCOVID, it turned into a virtual event
and then that took off and that's howpeople really started to know our name.
Well, in the background, I was justbuilding up volunteers who were
(08:17):
wanted to pursue HR as a career.
But didn't have those real lifeskills, so we actually did things like
payroll for, at the time, the companyhad a few part-time employees, so
we did payroll for those employees.
We did training, and I was helpingthose volunteers with the systems
that we used and giving them thatHR inside information so they could.
(08:40):
Pursue careers, and that'sreally how it started.
All of the departments began doingthat, and so not only did we become
this hub where people could go forresources, and then that networking,
it became a place where volunteerscould come and give their skills.
Put it on their resume andput it to real life use.
(09:00):
It just became its own machine.
And so coming forward to today, when,when they were able to get funding
from this wonderful organization calledSignal Health Group, they brought on.
The founder as a full-time employee,and then he asked me if I would come
on and help with operations becauseI knew all about the organization,
(09:22):
so I was like a fairytale.
It was meant to be.
You talk about Brian Arrington, right?
He was the founder, yeah.
Yes.
An Air Force veteran.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
That's a good story.
It's, it's good when you just feellike it's, it's the right thing.
Right.
You just know, you're know,you're in the right place.
You know, we're gonna haveto keep going back to Karma.
Right.
I know.
(09:43):
'cause her name's Carmen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that alliteration or something else?
No, I don't know.
Okay.
Good.
Did I already apologize for him?
I think I did.
No.
Carmen's Carmen's thrilled to be here.
She is.
She is.
I wanna, I wanna dig into some of the, thethings that you see as you're working with
veterans and service members a little bit.
(10:03):
I think we've got a, a handful ofquestions to ask you about that for sure.
But I think.
There's all kinds, there's a plethora ofresources on the website, but what are
some of the biggest challenges that yousee with transitioning service members?
What are they knocking on the doorthe most for, for help with and how?
How does vets to industry bridge that gap?
That's a great question.
(10:23):
And we see this day in and dayout as we, as we work with people.
And it was one of the things that,that I found also in my transition,
but I didn't know it right away, butjust help with, I think the number
one thing is finding someone thatthey can talk to, who knows the path.
That's the number one thing you, theyall feel like they're in it alone.
(10:46):
They have to take this journey.
They don't know what to do.
They don't know who to talkto, and they feel isolated.
So the first thing is say,oh no, you're not alone.
You have, not only do you have accessto people who've done this before,
you who wanna help, but you haveaccess to all of these resources.
And then we can say, okay, and this ishow, this is how we're gonna tackle this.
(11:09):
But that's the number one thing, justbeing alone and not knowing what to do.
And for some people it's overwhelming.
Some people, not so much.
They might have a plan already and youknow, they're ready to execute their
plan, but most people just not knowingand feeling alone in the process.
Yeah, no, I think that's right.
I remember when my husband transitionedout, he served 20 years in the army,
(11:29):
in the active army and it, it wasoverwhelming and it felt like you
were being asked to make choices that.
You couldn't undo later.
They were like, you haveto make it right now.
And they bounced you from like desk todesk in the out processing center, right?
Yeah.
And you had to decide And Exactly.
Hopefully we picked, right.
Well, I guess time will tell,
but he probably didn't, he probablydidn't have any people in his camp,
(11:51):
if you will, that would give him.
Tutelage guidance or it was kind of goingon a wing and of prayer a little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did the best we could.
We'll see.
We all seem to do thatthough, to be honest.
Yeah.
And that's one thing we wanna change.
I know when I got out, I didn't, even,when I got out, I, I knew I was gonna
be a stay at home mom for a while.
So even though I had a resume, Ihad that first master's degree.
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I didn't care about any of that.
I was just like, I'm goingto be a mother, la la, la.
Don't talk about networking,don't talk to me about the resume.
I don't really care.
But when it came time and I neededto care, I was in a really bad place
because I did, I underestimatedhow the process would be.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, I thinkwe all feel that way.
(12:35):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It is nice to see a lot of thesetransitioning resources out there too.
I think career transitioning seemsto be, I. A hot topic these days
has been around for a long time, butwhether it's hiring our heroes or
military spouse employment partnership,there's just organizations that are
in abundance out there that are there.
It's nice that you put all underone roof to get people to you and.
(12:58):
Help make it easy for 'em.
But there's, there's a lot ofjob seeking options out there.
And your website is vets to industry.org.
So how do you get postings out there?
Or do partners supply 'em with you ordo you, do you seek them out so you
make them available when you I. Sort ofhunt and peck a little bit around the
industry to see what's available for vets.
(13:19):
We do all those things.
So we are always on a hunt to, toresearch the best resources for veterans.
We have an extensive vettingprocess that we go through to make
sure that the services that we addaren't predatory to the community.
Then they're not gonna harm them inany way that they are beneficial.
We do.
(13:40):
Also have a, on our website, we ask forpeople to submit resources for us to vet.
So we do it in a, in a, a number of ways.
'cause there's so many, like yousaid, we, we'll probably never
gather them all, but we're gonna try,
well, at least people know that ifthey come to your website, there's
been somebody that's kind of giventhem a once over to make sure
that it's, it's above board, boardseal approval if you'll better.
(14:03):
Yeah.
Yes.
Because that, that step by itself could beoverwhelming and time consuming for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I, I noticed on your website too, youhave a mentor program and I've been
a part of mentor programs off and onover my career and one of the things
when somebody asks you to be a mentor,you always sort of, you wanna do it,
but then you're like, well, that mightsound like a big time commitment.
I'm not sure.
You know, I wanna give it my all.
(14:24):
Talk about that program you've made it.
Super easy it looks like to sign up onyour site, but could you talk about the,
what are the expectations for mentors?
We probably have people listening inour audience that would be really well
suited to do that kind of thing, butwhat would, what would their expectations
be if they were to, to take that leap?
Absolutely.
So that program is called.
Post Veteran and we support it.
(14:46):
It's a standalone program.
If you remember Veteran, that closedunfortunately about a year ago.
A lot of us, a lot ofvets, industry volunteers.
We were also volunteer mentorswith Veteran because they had the
established program and we justfound that we worked well together.
So when the, the platform closed.
(15:09):
Our sponsor also generously wanted tobring that program back because they saw
how beneficial it was for the community.
Like we were really ininwardly, we were so crushed.
We were like, what are we gonna do?
Be is going like, that'sthe place where we mentor.
So they brought it back.
As post ti and it is stilla standalone platform.
We just support it.
(15:30):
We support the operationsso it's easy to sign up.
You just go to that site.
It's a, it's attached to our website, butit's also a standalone post ti.org, and
you can register to be a mentor or mentee.
And the platform literallyis, is identical to the, to
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the old veterinary system.
You register, you get to put in yourown availability, so you set the hours
that you are available for the mentee.
Like they can't schedule a timeunless the mentor made it available.
So that that puts that, that limit.
So it's not overwhelming for thementor or the mentee and just.
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Expectations that we havebecause we also vet mentors.
We are looking for peoplewho just wanna give back.
So if you are a veteran or a militaryspouse who wants to give back, pay
it forward, share knowledge, then youwill make the perfect mentor for us.
Well, for post ve
(16:32):
Yes.
Yes.
What are there, are there specific areas?
Maybe that you might have a gap right now,or you're looking for more people to be
mentors so they can fill that unmet need?
Absolutely.
We do look for mentors in all industries.
We wanna have all those covered.
I won't necessarily say thereare gaps because we don't.
(16:53):
Look at it like that.
We, we opened up this platform to makeit available for people to come and serve
or take advantage of as they need to.
So we have an opening for every industrybecause we want the, we want mentors
who sign up to have access to thatknowledge for people in all career fields.
So it, it's a call for allcareer fields, all industries,
(17:17):
all experience, background.
Those who wanna give back andhave that knowledge and time too,
we welcome them to the platform.
So beyond transitioningservice members, other specific
programs you have for spouses?
Through vets to industry or caregiversif they're, if that happens to
be someone that comes to you.
(17:39):
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You.
That's a, that's huge Breaking news.
We,
(19:03):
you have breaking news her hearing it herefirst, but we are, we have this program
and we called it B two I, she boss.
And it's just for our militaryspouses and our, our women that
are just a sneak peek because we,when we say we are combining those.
Two demographics.
(19:24):
People are like, wait a minute, what?
Those are two different,what are you doing?
But it's, it's so differentand it's so innovative.
It's just gonna be a program tohelp veterans and spouses who are
interested in entrepreneurship, andwe have a dynamic, innovative program.
We're going to end, we'regonna introduce it this summer.
(19:45):
And I cannot wait to share more.
I'm so excited you can see
you.
I can hear it in your voice.
I'm so excited about this program.
'cause I always think, oh my gosh, what ifthis was available when I was coming out?
Yeah.
I could have, oh my goodness.
It could have helped me.
So much with, with my beginning and mybudding entrepreneurship, those things
(20:09):
I was trying to do, calling myselfan entrepreneur, it could've helped
me so much.
So I'm very
excited about it.
Well, it's very cool though thatnow you're in a position to, to pay
that forward and help somebody elsewho, yes, he's embarking on that.
You know, we've talked about it,a few things that we've, we've
come across on your website.
There is just, there's a mountain ofstuff out there to be, to be super honest.
(20:29):
Yeah.
A lot of resources.
How, how do people navigate that?
How would you help them navigate that?
Do they typically come toyou with kind of a specific.
Thing that they're trying to figureout, or they just come to you and say,
I have no idea what my questions are.
I'm starting out.
Point me, yeah.
Point me somewhere, anywhere.
What, what do you see beingthe case most, most typically?
(20:51):
I think the, the number one thingthat we get is, Hey, we need help.
We need resume assistance.
We need job interview assistance.
And so we always direct, we havea, we have a. Kind of entrance
process that we do with people.
So if they are just coming in, they seeus from our website or word of mouth.
(21:16):
They can email us and connectwith one of our volunteers who
can help them fill those gaps.
And so we train them to say, tolead them to the website first so
that they can search for all theresources there on the website.
But like you said, it's a lot onthere, so it can be overwhelming.
So we kind of have like a, a checklistof the top things that they might need
(21:40):
at different periods of their transition.
And we also.
Based off of a questionnaire thatwe have, we also use that to guide
them through the right places to go.
We're currently innovating our website,so we have a, a chat bot that's
also integrated with our websiteto help with that process as well.
(22:00):
And as AI grows and thenit is definitely growing.
We wanna, and we wannaintegrate that more.
To make that search process even easierbecause like you said, that can be a
barrier and we definitely don't want that
to be when, for people who need help.
Yeah.
I do know you say that, I doremember seeing the chat bot out
there when we were on the website.
Yeah.
Very cool.
You've got Carmen, you've got somevirtual networking events, is that right?
(22:25):
Yeah.
You have to fact check me to makesure that we're right about these
things, but so who, who joins those?
Who are the right people to join them?
What, what should they expectduring those events, frequency
and content and follow up maybe.
But just talk a little bit aboutthe virtual networking events.
Absolutely.
Those events are specifically fortransitioning military members, members
(22:47):
who are currently serving their spouses,family members, anyone needing assistance
in transitioning from their career.
So whatever stage that is, and we inviterecruiters to come and share jobs.
We invite.
Better service organizations to comeand share their programs and resources.
The goal is to networkon a more personal level.
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You know, we, we recommend, when we saynetworking, the first thing we do is
say, we, you have to be on LinkedIn.
If you're searching for ajob, you need to be on there.
And c, we say connect with people.
Connect with people.
But I sure still, and makesure, make sure you say open
to work in your little circle.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
But it can feel so inauthenticon LinkedIn because you connect
(23:30):
and then what do you say?
You don't, you don't know the person.
So our networking events kind ofeliminate those steps where you have
to feel awkward about getting to knowone, like you have an open invitation.
Our network becomes our attendeesnetwork and they can connect really
quickly and in a very natural way.
(23:51):
It and it's almost as if the recruitersand the veteran service organizations
are there saying, Hey, we're here.
You know, we wanna meet you.
We wanna help you with your needs.
And it kind, it eliminates the awkwardnessthat networking on your own can feel.
And we, we know that networking canget employment faster than any resume.
(24:13):
It's who you know sometimes that's true.
Right?
It's who, you know.
I used to say this all the time when,when I was at my other job, if when we
had openings, I hired people and I did.
If I didn't know who I wanted to hireor was a, you know, we had a big.
A lot of people to choose from.
My, my, my mind went blank and wehad a lot of people to choose from.
(24:34):
If people on my team who I already workedwith and I already trusted, if they said,
Hey, I ha I know someone, I used to workwith them in the army, or I used to work
with so and so on my last job, I wouldprobably hire them or I'm definitely
gonna interview them because they havethe trust of someone I already trust.
And that's all about,that's what networking does.
(24:56):
So.
It's important and,
and that's why thoseare so important to us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You think about the people thatyou're you, you think about the
people that I've hired here.
I mean, it's people that
either had worked them in thepast, either a referral from
somebody, or you've worked with themin a prior life somewhere, or, yeah.
Yeah.
Take some of the guessworkout of it for sure.
You want, should I give you a littlebehind the curtain thing on Tom McLean?
(25:18):
So, my first job, I'm afraid
to say you're gonna do itanyway, if they know my first job
back in 19 post RA was.
What year was that?
19 French.
Was I, because I was, I, I was areally good tennis player and I
played tennis with the CEO of a bank.
Wow.
I beat him and next thing youknow, I had an interview with
the head of HR and I was hired.
Wow.
Wow.
I can't tell you that it was a, it wasactually a management associate position
(25:42):
in a bank for an 18 month program.
Wow.
All because you could tennis,all because I knew the right guy.
Did you skill beat him?
I did.
I'd beat him.
So he
is a good sport then
too.
He, he knew I was competitive.
Nice.
Well done.
That, that hasn't happened.
I'm not competitivetoday, so I've changed.
Oh yeah.
Not
at all.
Not at all.
That,
that's the power of networking though.
It is.
(26:02):
You know, my, when I joined the,when I was commissioned in the Air
Force, my dad said, Hey Carmen,you need to join the officers club.
And I was like, dad, I don't what, why?
I don't even, and he was like, no, you,you need to join the officer's club.
And that's really literally all he said.
Well, my very first duty station, myboss, I'll never forget, I was at my
(26:28):
initial meeting with him and I was takingnotes on what he wanted me to do and he
said, Hey, every Friday about five 30,we all head over to the officer's club.
And I'm like, oh, okay,
can
I go?
It's, you know, it's that networking time.
It's that nobody's talking about work.
It's just all about networking.
And I literally got one of theassignments that I had later, my
(26:49):
special, my special duty assignment.
I received that from arelationship that I at
the opposites so.
There you go.
Yeah.
And there's countless stories like that.
You know, I gotta, I gotta tell you,Carmen, that one of the things on the
website that I was particularly drawnto as a mom of a college student was
(27:10):
the scholarships opportunities as well.
I know that when my son started college,I was after him all the time to go,
you know, I'm like, there's, there's.
There's money out therethat never gets claimed.
Nobody, because nobody applies for it.
They don't know how.
How are you working to spread theword about that part of what you do?
Who's eligible?
Typically for the kind of scholarshipsthat y'all share on your website,
(27:33):
you might send my son out there too'cause he's still got two years left.
I love his question 'causeI love scholarships and
we're, and we're honestly.
In the middle of updating our site andhow people find those scholarships.
But right now, therefore, veterans andveteran family members, we have about
110 scholarships on the site rightnow, and you can find them in two ways.
(27:57):
You can either do like an overallsearch and, and say vets to industry
scholarships, or you can go straightto the resource page and type in.
Scholarships.
But what we're doing currently iswe're going through all of those
110 links that we have to make to,number one, make sure they're updated,
and then number two, we're going tocategorize them so that people can
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easily see, okay, is this for veterans?
Is this for spouses?
Is this for family members?
Is it for all?
To make it easier for that search?
So what's a great question?
I know if it's easy, thenmy funnel will Right.
Exactly.
Got a higher probability of success.
Yeah.
(28:40):
You mentioned earlier about Signal, right?
Signal Health Group that was graciousenough to support you financially.
Right.
Yes.
So let's talk, let'stake that a step further.
How, how can people donate,sponsor get involved?
You, you've got a great storythat you told our audience, but
what do you recommend that you,that our audience should do if
they want to reach out financiallyor reach out and, and volunteer?
(29:03):
I.
If they want to donate, they cango to our site@vetsindustry.org.
That first page, you'llsee a donate here tab.
I believe they're on everypage, but, but that's way an
important middle model.
All you around the page.
She's gonna integrate the chat feature.
(29:25):
I'm just
saying, have you looked at
this button yet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then on this site as well, there'sa tab that allows you to go it.
It says where you can help, andthat's where you can sign up to
be a best industry volunteer.
Carmen, is this a real number?
Can I throw out a number to you?
Yes.
(29:46):
You educate between 220 and 240,000.
Transitioning service members annually?
Well, we have to this point since 2019.
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you for clarifying that.
Absolutely.
Always.
Gotta fact
check
your
Jody.
I haven't said this in a while.
I think that's
why I'm here.
(30:06):
I think that's why I was put on
this
earth.
What's, no, I think, I think youhave an attitude problem today.
You love me.
You love
me.
Yeah.
So I was gonna ask as we, as wekind of wrap up the, the podcast,
I was gonna ask what are theexciting new initiatives coming?
But we already got thetease about boss then.
Yeah.
Little sneak peek this summer.
Um, so are there other things besidesthat, that are, that have you all excited
(30:30):
that are coming soon for vets to industry?
Absolutely.
So we have our, our networkingconference last year.
We had our very first onethis year we're continuing it.
It's gonna be at sea.
It won't always be at sea, but this yearit is from July, did you say at sea?
Yeah.
Yes.
At as an
SEA.
(30:50):
Alright.
I didn't know if it was.
Little letters.
Okay.
I'm with you.
July 19th through 20, excuse me.
Oh my gosh.
I'm so excited.
I forgot the dates.
July 19th through 27th will be okay.
On board Carnival Horizon forour networking conference.
It's gonna be amazing 'cause we'regonna be joined by some other veteran
(31:10):
service organizations and othermilitary supporters given small
workshops on their organizationsand on the transition process.
So that's coming up and this week.
I don't know when this show will air,but by the time it does, we will have
2028.
Nope.
No, it's not, it'll not that far out.
(31:30):
It'll probably be after thisevent you're gonna describe, but
if it, if it's a recurring event,it'll be good to share anyway.
Okay.
Well, we're gonna be introducing our NTRM.
President to everyone Oh,
wow.
On, on May 7th.
So we're very, a lot of breaking news
coming out of
this.
That sounds like it'sin the next 24 hours.
That's really breaking news.
(31:51):
Yeah.
So, Carmen, what else have,what have we not thought to
ask you about vets to industry?
Well, one thing I wanna sharetoo is we, we've introduced.
Some industry specific webinars, andwe've started off with the broadband
industry and our focus with that is to,because we say we're vets to industry,
so what we wanna do is we wanna introduceour community to different industries
(32:16):
that they may not have thought about,but that are seeking veterans to come
and make the most of it thriving.
So we're starting off withthe broadband industry.
We did an industry.
An an opening, just like an introductionof what the broadband industry is.
We're gonna have a few more sessions wherewe're breaking it down a little more, kind
(32:36):
of comparing it, okay, this is what youdid in the military, this is probably what
you can do in, in a broadband, uh, career.
And then introduce that withsome career fairs along with it.
And we wanna do that with thefew specialized industries
that not everyone knows about.
You know, the big oneseverybody knows about.
(32:57):
You know it or hr, but there are otherplaces where veterans can work and
thrive, and we're introducing that inour industry specific webinar series.
Very good.
Very good.
All kinds of breaking news.
All good stuff.
Does she sound prettypassionate about what she does?
She does.
She does.
She sounds
very pumped up about what she does, which
is cool.
We're lucky to have her.
Yes.
Yes.
Before we get to the military minute.
(33:19):
Yes.
Why was it called perfect pens?
Oh my goodness.
We have to know, is it a, is it a storyworth telling or should we just move on?
Oh, yes.
It's the, it's a story worth telling.
Well, okay.
Remember earlier when I saidI had underestimated the jobs,
(33:40):
what the jobs search would be?
Oh, yeah.
In and out of the military.
So when it was time for me to finda job, I, I needed to pivot a little
bit because I was having trouble.
I, I didn't have, what I didn'tknow at the time was I just
didn't have the right resume.
I wasn't presenting myself theway I needed to to get people
to be interested in my skills.
(34:02):
So I started a business and I wasworking with people with editing.
Like my friend at the time, shewas getting her doctorate degree.
And she needed help with herdissertation and I helped her.
We had like a few sessions and shewas like, oh my gosh, Corman, you,
you're really talented with those pens.
And she was telling I was agood writer and I was like, I
(34:24):
think I could start a business.
And I was like thinking ofwhat I could name it and how
I could incorporate that name.
And I was like, oh, perfect.
Pins.
That's,
that's it.
That's like two men in atruck or something, right?
Yeah.
It was probably gonna be a story likethat and I should have figured it out,
but here we are.
(34:47):
You always say the right thing, Jody.
I know, I know.
So if you're game Carmen, we'dlove to have you hang out for
just a couple more seconds withus and play the military minute.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Okay.
She's, I have no idea what it's,but she's been, God, it's a tri,
we'll call it a trivia game, and wetry to center it around our guests
(35:10):
as they, as they come on the show.
Sometimes we just do pop culture, but onour last podcast, our question was about
Colorado State University, so it would.
Maybe be weird to me if youknew this, but super cool.
If you do, you're welcome to answer it.
So what are the three former namesof Colorado State University?
And this was our question, I thinkbecause our guest had attended.
(35:31):
Attended, yeah.
Colorado State University.
I, he also gave us a perplexedlook when we asked him.
Right.
Well, 'cause this is notprobably facts that people just
carry around lot of words too.
Yeah.
Any random guess.
Okay.
Okay.
Lemme put my figure cap on.
Because you said it's astate university, right?
Colorado State University.
What were the three?
Three former names.
Okay.
(35:51):
And I'm gonna go off of.
Google where I used to be com ofcadets because they had like a
stimulus name in their history, butthey were an agriculture college.
Did you hear that?
So could it have been likeColorado Agriculture College
or something like that?
(36:12):
That's one
of the three.
That's super impressive.
You need to stop.
You need to stop whileyou're ahead, Carmen.
'cause you, it can onlygo downhill from here.
I give you a gold star for that.
Yeah, because that was, that's
super impressive.
Yeah.
I never would've gotten there.
You actually thought through that.
I just was like, I have no idea.
Move on.
Well, well done you.
Yeah.
So that was, I'm guessing,no, that was right.
(36:35):
So one of the three names wasColorado Agricultural College.
The second name was Colorado StateCollege of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts.
Back just probably why wewent to a shorter name.
And then the third onewas Colorado Agricultural.
That's hard to say.
A mechanical college.
So yeah, a little nuance
to the name.
Yeah.
Colorado State Universityis super easy to, I know.
(36:56):
CSU lock in on that.
Right?
So transitioning to this week's militaryminute, you can't answer this one.
Even if, you know, because we're gonnatee this one up for our audience, but
you know, when this airs, it shouldbe month of the military child or.
This was actually gonna be duringmonth of the military child that
I asked this question with Carmen.
Oh.
So now it's just
about month of the military child.
Yeah, but you know
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what?
The military child is 12 monthsout of the year, so that is true.
It's a good, good question.
Anyway.
That's true.
My
children think it is 12 months out.
Especially they say, mom,it's why allowance here yet?
Yes.
So in
what year was the monthof the military child?
Established and by whom?
Don't answer.
Don't answer.
Tom.
You know the answer'cause you looked it up.
But if you are in our audience, youcan answer when this podcast drops.
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Comment your best guess for when the monthor the year of the month of the military
child was established and who establishedit and if you are the correct answer.
Provider.
I was gonna say answerer.
Answerer.
I'm okay with that answer provider.
I pass
the test
and your name is drawn.
You can win $50 for yourself and$50 for a charity of your choice.
And if you happen to get all threenames of Colorado State University
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correct after the last podcast, alsowatch for your name to be posted as
the lucky winner of $50 for yourselfand $50 for a charity or choice.
If they did some sort of rational thinkinglike Carmen did, they probably would've
been able to answer all three of those.
Right?
Or just said google.com or,
Hey Siri, what was the Thatwould be, yeah, super easy.
(38:24):
You know, like 10 years fromnow, people say, what was Siri?
I know, right?
Yeah.
It moves that fast.
Yeah.
Why I'm glad she's doingbroadband industry.
'cause it's, yeah, it's a lot.
Definitely.
Thank you Carmen.
Yeah.
Thank you for being here today.
Thank you for having me.
I, I don't wanna leave.
Maybe not feel welcome.
Well,
(38:44):
if Tom's
gonna say, well how does that affect
on people?
I do.
I'd.
I've got a couple pages of notes.
Jody, if you want to, to cover,which is, which is probably
not a lie if can get home.
Tom,
if you enjoy today to, if you enjoytoday's episode because Carmen could be
here for another day or so with us, goout to abank.com, subscribe to the show.
Rate us, leave us a comment abouthow you enjoyed Jodi so much on
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your favorite podcast platform suchas Apple, Spotify, and YouTube.
I really enjoy this time.
You're such a karma.
You made it.
You made it fun.
Yes.
And informative If lifted, your I'd have
left.
What?
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
It was a pleasure to meet you.
You as well.
Well done.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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Bye.
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