September 30, 2024 • 30 mins
Join host Lemon Price on the 'Milk and Honey with Lemon' podcast as she welcomes Elizabeth Urbanowicz, founder of Foundation Worldview, to discuss the importance of equipping children with critical thinking skills and a biblical worldview.
Elizabeth shares her journey from being an elementary teacher to creating resources that help parents, churches, and schools train children to evaluate ideas and understand biblical truths. The episode covers essential topics such as balancing exposure to cultural ideas, intentional parenting, and the significance of discerning objective truth from subjective feelings.
Don't miss this enriching conversation that aims to empower parents to prepare their kids for today's world.
00:00 Welcome to Milk and Honey with Lemon
00:59 Introducing Elizabeth Urbanowicz
02:10 The Foundation of Foundation Worldview
05:21 Navigating Education Choices
08:50 Equipping Children with Critical Thinking
17:24 Practical Tips for Parents
26:42 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
30:01 Closing Remarks and Farewell
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Welcome back to the Milk andHoney podcast.
I'm your host, lemon Price, andtoday I'm really excited
because I have my friendElizabeth Arbonicz here, and so
you guys probably know her, andif you don't, you should,
because she is the founder ofFoundation Worldview.
She is helping adults equiptheir children to evaluate every
single idea and understand thetruth behind a biblical
(01:20):
worldview.
She's just amazing.
She has her master's inapologetics.
She does all the things.
She's been on probably everypodcast now of Mike Winger, like
Alisa Childers, like she's beeneverywhere, you should know her
.
If you don't know her, gofollow her.
But anyway, just thank you forbeing here, elizabeth.
I'm excited that you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, me too.
Thanks so much for having me ontoday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Lemon.
I am really excited.
So before we started recording,we were talking because listen
her assistant, by the way, islike the best.
She sent me a million greattopics, but there was one I was
like really excited to dive intoand you guys are probably
you've probably asked yourselfthis if you have children, do we
homeschool or do we send ourkids to public school?
(02:00):
Do we go to private school?
Do we go to a private Christianschool?
Like there's so many educationoptions.
Elizabeth is the perfect personto talk about this, because
this is the experience that wehave.
So, elizabeth, before we divein, will you give a background
on how Foundation Worldview evencame about, what you're doing,
all the kind of fun things?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know that on your podcast you talk a lot about
finances and businesses and allthat kind of stuff.
So I'm sure that my backgroundis similar to many people's and
that what I'm doing right now Ilove.
But I didn't have any plans fordoing this.
It was something that the Lordjust brought me into step by
step.
So my background is ineducation and I spent the first
decade of my professional careeras an elementary teacher in a
Christian school just outside ofChicago and I loved teaching
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there.
I loved teaching there.
I love teaching.
I love getting to teach thewhole truth.
But I noticed a problem severalyears into my teaching
experience that my students.
They came from intentionalChristian homes.
I'm passionate about God andhis word, so I was giving them a
biblically based education allday long.
Most of them were involved in alocal church, but they still
were rapidly absorbing ideasfrom the culture without any
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question.
And so I just went on a questto look for what resources can I
use to equip my students tothink critically?
Whether it's in a conversationon the playground, whether it's
they're watching a YouTube video, whether it's they're reading a
book, whatever, I just wantedthem to pause and ask themselves
what did I just hear?
Is it true?
Is it not true?
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How do I know?
Does it line up with scripture?
Does it not line up withscripture?
And so I went on this searchfor materials and everything I
found was for high schoolers onup, and I thought I'm so
grateful that these materialsexist.
But if I'm seeing this problemwith my students who are eight
and nine years old, if we waituntil they're 16, like we've
lost almost a whole decade oftraining time.
And so when I couldn't findanything, I just thought you
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know what?
I guess I'll start reading somebooks, go into some seminars
and I started creating my ownresources.
And it just caught on likewildfire.
And before I knew it washappening, people were
contacting me from all oversaying how can we get our hands
on what you have?
And I was like I'm a third gradeteacher, I'm not a publishing
house, I don't have anything foryou.
I'm really sorry, but that kepthappening over and over again.
So eventually, while I wasteaching that's when I went back
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to school got the master's inChristian apologetics, just to
make sure I really knew what Iwas talking about.
And then, halfway through thatdegree, I left teaching to start
Foundation Worldview.
And what we do at FoundationWorldview is we seek to create
easy to use and easy toimplement materials for parents,
for churches, for Christianschools, so that they can train
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the children that God has placedin their care to carefully
evaluate every idea theyencounter, so they can
understand the truth of thebiblical worldview.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, I love that.
I feel like most of the womenI've talked to lately did not
intend to start a business.
This wasn't their goal.
It was more like I see a needand I need to meet the need, and
now they're having thisbeautiful impact.
I feel like I'm seeing it a lotmore lately with women who are
just like man.
I really want to serve thisparticular community in this
particular way.
(04:55):
This is the talents that God'sgiven me, and then he's blessed
you with this thing, probablybeyond what you imagined it
could be, and so I love that youhave resources for parents, for
like schools, for churches,like for literally everybody,
because I know like when we werehomeschooling and stuff like I
needed so many.
It was an abundance ofresources that we needed.
(05:21):
And so, since we're talkingabout this kind of topic, I
would love to know do you feellike, with what's going on in
public schools, have you seen anuptick in the need for what
you're doing, and how has thatimpacted what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Since 2020, across the board in the nation there
has been a mass exodus frompublic schools, not necessarily
in more conservative regions ofthe country, but in certain
regions of the country there'sjust been a mass exodus.
I know one of the men on myteam.
He lives in Texas and he wastelling us how they just got a
letter from their schooldistrict saying that two of the
elementary schools were closingdown simply because so many
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people had pulled their kids outto homeschool them or to put
them in Christian school.
I know that the Christianschool where I used to work
they're doing a massive buildingcampaign because when I was
there they had two sections pergrade level, but ever since
COVID they've had four sectionsper grade level.
So it's just all across thecountry we are seeing more
parents choosing Christianeducation or choosing
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homeschooling, and I think youknow we just have to be aware
I'm not making a blanketstatement because I can't,
because I don't know people'schildren, like our individual
home situations and so we areseeing a need for what is for
what we're doing at FoundationWorldview, not just because of
public education, but justbecause of what's going on in
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our world in general Severalfactors, even if we're very
careful about limiting theamount of screen time our
children have and limiting whatapps they can go on, what shows
they can watch, because of theprevalence of screen screens.
In one year of our children'slives they're going to receive
more competing ideas andmessages than most throughout
the course of history havereceived in their entire lives.
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So, whether our children arepublic schooled, school or
homeschool, they all need to beequipped with solid, quality
thinking skills to know how toevaluate the different ideas
that come their way.
And then, especially with whatwe're seeing not only in public
schools but just in our cultureat large, where so much of the
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language that is used has beentwisted to make something that
really does not align withscripture, almost make it sound
like it aligns with scripture weneed to equip our children to
actually think through thedefinition of words.
For example, it's very popularright now, especially in public
schools, to at one pointthroughout the day or a couple
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times throughout the week, tohave a social emotional learning
class.
Social and emotional learningsounds great.
I mean, what parent doesn'twant their children to have
positive social skills?
What parent doesn't want theirchild to learn how to regulate
their emotions in a positive way.
Those are beneficial things,and that's what these
curriculums and what theseclasses are labeled.
However, what most parentsdon't know is that in these
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classes, words like empathy andkindness the definition has been
twisted in a way that actuallydoesn't align with what true
empathy and kindness are.
For example, in these courses,children are taught certain
things about gender identity andhow someone's lived experience
or someone's personal feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think that no matter what situation our
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children are in, whether they'rein public school, private
school or homeschooled we needto equip them with skills to
evaluate the ideas that theyencounter, so that they are not
taken captive by these hollowand deceptive philosophies that
are cloaked in really positiveand sometimes even oh, I love
(09:12):
this, I'm like a nerd, so I havean English degree, so I'm such
a nerd about like linguistictheft and like definitions of
words and what words mean andhow it plays out Like this is a
conversation my kids and I haveon a regular basis is what do
words actually mean?
What does scripture say and Ilove that you're like feelings
say.
The Bible says to our feelingsare fickle, like we can't trust
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our feelings actually.
And oh, I love that I couldhave a whole, we could do a
whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Maybe we should one day because it is.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's really important and like and I love that you
said our kids are exposed to somuch.
So I know our school, so I feellike privileged because I live
in rural Georgia and my teachersare playing like worship music
throughout the day and they'relike recommending churches.
There's no issue there.
Necessarily.
We had an issue two years agowith a teacher trying to promote
some like her ideology and andit was really her ideology was
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very, it was super interesting.
It was probably as not biblicalas one could get ideologically
and so it honestly it forced mykids a little bit to start
questioning things and we justhad an issue.
Even like last week there is astudent that my youngest was
friends with and presented mail,used like the boys bathroom,
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all those things, and when myhusband and I, when we met them,
we were like I don't actuallyI'm not like a hundred percent
here on this, and all of asudden he started questioning.
He was like wait a minute.
He was like actually like, butyou guys are like getting the
full, but like never use theurinal and like it's always like
very protected and guarded, andlike we talked to the parents
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and like this that's like normalin their household and he was
able to pick up like oh wait, aminute, hold.
What like I'm seeing and whatI'm being told isn't actually
like reality, which was likehard.
It was hard for him too.
They've been friends since likekindergarten and he's in fifth
grade and it like crushed hiswhole reality of who this person
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was.
I've been telling him likethat's so hard.
But also I'm really proud ofyou for having critical thinking
skills.
We're trying, we're trying, andso that's where I think it's
hard, because as a parent, youwant to shelter your child from
things like I don't want you tobe exposed to these awful things
.
But then also I feel like we'vebenefited from it a little bit
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and it could be because we havesuch open dialogue in our
household.
But it's hard.
I think it's a hard balance.
So, like, how do you balancethat?
How do you, if you're like aparent and you're listening,
like how do you juggle exposureversus keeping your kid
protected?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I think.
So I'm going to give some broadadvice, but then also say that
I think you really have toconsider each child
independently, because God hasdesigned each child differently.
They have a unique set ofskills and strengths and
weaknesses, personality, all ofthese different things.
And so I can't just say, justdo this for your child and
everything will turn out fine,because it's like every child is
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different.
So I think the one thing thatwe can say across the board is
intentionality.
We can't just make any defaultdecision for our child and just
say, oh, you know what, Ihaven't really thought about
this, but I'm just going to dothis because it's what's always
been done.
We have to be intentional atmaking sure we're thinking and
praying through okay, god, likethis child that you have given
me, like what is actually bestfor them.
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And so an analogy that I liketo give is, I think, bad ideas,
false ideas really a goodanalogy is germs or viruses,
because bad ideas are reallyinfectious that we tend to pick
up bad ideas just by beingaround others who have bad ideas
, just like we tend to pick upviruses just by being around
others who are carrying thoseviruses.
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And when I was a teacher.
Basically all my life I've beena germaphobe so I like I do not
like germs.
I've grown a little bit out ofmy germaphobiness.
But when I was a teacher, myfirst year, I got sick a ton.
Just like all first yearteachers, you get sick a ton.
Your second year you'resupposed to get sick like still
a ton, but a little bit less.
And by your third year you'resupposed to be pretty much
immune.
So you get like maybe sick onceor twice a year, but not a ton,
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where for me, just the oppositehappened.
I got sick a lot.
My first year I got sick evenmore.
My second year and my thirdyear I was on almost eight
rounds of antibiotics beforeChristmas even came.
And so eventually I went to mydoctor and I was like, okay, we
need to stop it with theantibiotics.
I want to stop treating likethe symptom and I want to get to
the root of like, why am Igetting sick so often?
And so what the doctor did ishe sat down with me and he
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actually took time and he askedme some questions and he said
well, can you tell me how oftenyou wash your hands?
And I was like, oh, I teach inthis mobile classroom, which is
a glorified trailer, there is nosink, so I use hand sanitizer.
And he was like okay, how oftendo you use hand sanitizer?
I was like, hey, how often doyou use hand sanitizer?
I was like, oh, probably like30 to 50 times a day.
And he was like ding, here wehave the problem.
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He was like Elizabeth, if youare using hand sanitizer that
often, he's like what you'redoing, you're killing all of the
bacteria and viruses on yourhand.
You're also killing all thegood bacteria.
He's like you're not lettingyourself getting exposed to
these viruses and bacteria invery small doses.
He said you should be washingyour hands before you eat food,
before you rub your eyes, yournose or your mouth.
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He's like not all throughoutthe day, he said, because you
need to build up immunity.
And so he said what I want youto do.
I want you to try to wash yourhands instead of using hand
sanitizer.
And he's like, whether you washyour hands or use hand
sanitizer, I only want you to dothat before you eat or before
you go to rub your eyes, nose ormouth.
And I was like, oh my gosh,this is going to be so hard.
But I followed his advice and Ididn't get another sinus
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infection for five years becausemy body actually built up some
immunity, and it's similar withbad ideas and our kids.
We don't want to sanitize everysingle thing that our kids see,
because if we do, if we sanitizeevery single interaction and
every single media that they'represented with and every single
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book, what's going to happen isthen one day, when they're let
out into the world, they'regoing to be their immune system
like their immune system forideas.
Their mental immune system isgoing to be very weak and
they're going to be very easilytaken captive.
Where we also don't want tojust go and kick our kids out
without any training, but wewant to just prepare them to be
exposed to false ideas inhealthy doses.
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And this is where it depends onthe child.
For some children, someonemight live in a more
conservative area of the countrywhere, yes, the school system
is impacted by some of thethings that are going on with
gender and sexuality and otherideologies, but for the most
part, the teachers are good.
What they're using is fine.
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Knowing who your child is, youthink you know what.
I think I can send my child tothis school.
We can have good conversations,I can be training them in
scripture, grounding them inGod's word, and I think they're
going to do okay.
This is a healthy amount ofexposure when for some other
children that might be too much,that might be too much, and so
we just have to make thedecision based on who our child
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is, where we live and thesituation that they're going to
be in, because you justmentioned how your son really
struggled with finding out that.
Oh my goodness, I didn'tcorrectly understand who this
friend was, but he was at aplace in his development and
your training of him.
It was difficult, but it wasnot a weight that was too big
for him to bear, where, if yourson was in first grade and he
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had a friend who was openlytransitioning and all day long
he was required to call thisfriend by an alternate name, an
alternate pronoun For asix-year-old for most
six-year-olds it's going to betoo big of a weight for them to
bear, and so I would just reallyencourage parents to be
intentional.
We want healthy exposures tofalse ideas, but that has to be
accompanied by good questionsand relationship building with
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the parent, sound criticalthinking skills and then
evaluate okay, is this still ahealthy environment for my child
?
Is this still healthy doses offalse ideas?
Or is this too much for wheretheir mental immune system is
right now?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, I love that.
You just called it a mentalimmune system.
I got it.
Put that on a t-shirt orsomething for the company
because I would buy that t-shirt.
But okay, so I love thisconversation.
So then, how would yourecommend maybe talking to your
kids, because I know this is howI ended up in apologetics in
the first place.
It's talking to women all thetime.
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You were like I can't talk tomy child the way you do because
I didn't go to seminary or Idon't have these schools.
I don't know how to answertheir questions or what's your
best advice, maybe for theparents who are listening.
That all sounds good, but Idon't know what I would do if my
child came home and told meabout this ideology happening at
school.
I don't feel equipped to answerthat.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I think the basic skill that we need to make
sure that we have solid andthat we train our children in,
is discerning the differencebetween a claim that is
objective, meaning that it'seither true or false, versus a
claim that is subjective it'sjust something that's based on
emotion or preference.
Objective is something that'seither true or false, it's
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outside of our control versussomething that is subjective
it's just based on emotion orpersonal preference.
Because what our world ispreaching so much to us now is
that our inner, subjective,emotional world is the best
guide to reality where that issimply not true.
In the book Mama BearApologetics I love the way they
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said it they say that emotionsmake a wonderful check engine
light but a terrible GPS, thatemotions tell us hey,
something's going on, I need tofigure out what's going on.
But if we let our emotions lead, those emotions might lead us
to a place of untruth.
So a simple way to do this.
So I'll just give a fewexamples for moms who have kids
of different ages.
If you have littles, if youhave kids seven on down, just
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give them a simple definition oftruth and just say truth is
what is real.
Actually, any age child justsay truth is what is real.
Give them this basic definitionand then you can play a little
game and you can say okay, we'regoing to play a game and I'm
going to tell you some sentences.
Some of these sentences aregoing to be true sentences.
Some of these sentences aregoing to be true sentences.
They're going to show youwhat's real.
And if you hear a true sentence, I want you to spread your arms
out like an X and say true,some of the sentences I tell you
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they're not going to be true,they're going to be silly
sentences.
They will not show what is real.
And when you hear a sentencelike that, I want you to cross
your arms and say not true.
Like I always like to talkabout dogs, because most kids
love dogs, and so you can saypuppies are baby dogs.
Then you can give them a sillysentence that's not true.
Like puppies run on the ceilingoh my goodness, that is not
true.
And just keep playing this true, not true game.
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So you're creating in theirmind these mental categories of
this is true or this is not trueFor older kids, for kids like
roughly eight to 12, oneSaturday, just find something
that your children wouldconsider.
Hide it somewhere around thehouse and write out different
sets of directions for findingthat prize.
The key is only one set ofdirections can be the true set
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of directions.
And then tell them hey, I'vehidden this thing around the
house.
There's only one of it, so onlyone of you is going to get it.
I've written out somedirections.
Some of them are truedirections.
They're going to show you wherethe prize really is.
Some of them are not truedirections.
They're not going to show youwhere it really is.
Then send them out on the hunt.
Only one child is going to findthis.
And then come back and debrief,like why was your brother, why
was your sister, the only onethat found this?
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Because they had the directionsthat showed what was real.
They had the directions thatwere true.
So just to solidify in olderkids' minds that truth is what
is real and with older kids youcan even take it a step further.
Now what if you had believedwith your whole heart that your
false set of directions was true?
If you believe that with yourwhole heart would you have found
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the prize?
Then no, because it doesn'tmatter how much you felt it or
believed that it was true, itwas false and so you still
wouldn't have found the prize.
Then, after that, we want tointroduce the concept of
subjective feelings or emotions,and so, with little ones, play
that same true, not true game,but this time add in feelings
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and say I might give you asentence that shares someone's
feelings.
When I do that, I want you togive yourself a hug and say
feelings.
So play the same game.
Choose any object, like the dog.
Say puppies are baby dogs.
That's true, puppies run on theceiling.
That's not true.
And then add in a feelingsentence and say puppies are fun
.
That's a feeling.
Many people feel like puppiesare fun, but some people, when
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puppies are chewing on theirsofa, do not feel like puppies
are fun and so just keep playingthis game.
So then they have these threemental categories that's true,
that's not true, that's afeeling.
And it's amazing what canhappen.
We've here at FoundationWorldview, in our biblical
thinking track of our we havecurriculums for kids ages 4+, 8+
and 12+, and in our biblicalthinking track all three
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curriculums start off with thisunit on truth.
And we had a mom right into ourministry who had taken her son
through our biblical worldviewcurriculum for kids four plus
and she told us about asituation in her son's school
where her son was in secondgrade at the time.
She picked him up from school,he got in the car and she was
like hey, bud, how was your day?
And he's like mom, it was sucha weird day.
And she was like what was soweird about it?
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And he was like our teacher wasabsent and we had a substitute
and the substitute was a man buthe was wearing a dress and he
wanted us to call him Mrs.
So the mom said she'sinternally freaking out because
they haven't had a transgendertalk at the age of seven.
But she just responded bysaying what did she think of
that?
He was like mom, it was so sad.
And she said oh interesting,why did you think it was sad?
He said because the truth isthat he is a boy, that's what
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his body shows.
But he's choosing to believehis feelings instead of the
truth.
And so she had, by just playingthat simple game with her son
the true, not true feelings gameshe had set him up for a
situation she didn't evenrealize was coming, but he was
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able to look at that situationand say, oh, this man is
believing his feelings ratherthan the truth.
And so this is what we want forall our kids.
With older kids, we can eventeach them the terms objective
and subjective.
If something's objective, it'seither true or false.
If something's subjective, it'sjust a personal feeling.
And then we can give kidsexamples like saying earth is
round, is that objective orsubjective?
It's objective.
But also saying earth is flatis also objective, it's
objectively false.
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But that's the whole point ofobjective statements.
And then sometimes, if we'reworking with older kids kids 10
on up they might push back alittle bit, just because they've
been so indoctrinated by theculture to believe that feelings
are the best guide to reality.
We can say well, you know what,think about it this way.
What if we have a friend who'sreally depressed?
And this friend is reallystruggling with depression?
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Are his feelings pointing himto the truth?
And in that situation it'sclearly obvious no, his feelings
are not pointing him to thetruth.
He feels, he completely feelsand believes that he is
worthless.
But what?
The truth of that situation isthat he is an image bearer of
the holy God.
He has incredible value.
He is loved by God.
He's loved by his family.
Everyone's life is richerbecause he is there, and so
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sometimes an emotional situationlike that can help.
Older kids who are pushing backsay oh, you know what?
Sometimes feelings don'tactually point us towards what
is true.
So that would be my firstrecommendation for anyone who's
I don't know how to have theseconversations with my kids.
If you can just give your kidsthese mental boxes of true, not
true, and feeling, that willreally lay the foundation for
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every other conversation thatyou're going to have with them.
And then, if anyone'sinterested in more information,
at our ministry website,foundationworldviewcom, we have
tons of resources that you canactually implement with your
children, because that's reallyour goal.
That I'm single.
I'm not married, I don't haveany children of my own, but what
I do have is the gift of time.
So we're busy moms who areraising their kids and trying to
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keep a household together, andmany of them running businesses.
You don't have time to actuallysit down and think through how
do I actually go through all ofthese things with my kids?
So we try to make it easy foryou so that you can just easily
implement the materials thatwe've taken the time to create
so you can train your childrento think in this way.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I love this game and my kids are home.
Today, guys, we're recordingthis during Hurricane Debbie, so
my kids are home, so I have alot of time to talk to them
today, just about this.
And we have long car rides allthe time.
We live an hour from church, sowe go to church all the way
down near Savannah, so we'redriving an hour to church.
We have a lot of time to haveconversation.
I love this game because theyoh my goodness, I just think
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it's so smart.
It's so smart we have.
I remember my grandmother.
She said to me before shepassed a couple years ago she's,
you have to pair it sodifferently than I did she's.
There's no like advice that Ican necessarily give you,
because the world in whichyou're raising your children is
not even.
It wasn't even on my radar tohave these kind of conversations
(25:55):
about being transgender or anyof these.
My youngest came home and hewas talking about somebody being
bisexual and I was, like, wherehave you heard this term?
You're 10.
Like, where have you?
I definitely did not know whatthat was at 10.
And so I love that you've putthese resources together to make
it easy for parents because,yeah, the world we're parenting
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in is not the one even that wewere raised in, Like you and I
are both the same age.
This is not the world that wewere even raised in, and so I'm
so grateful for you putting justthese resources together and
y'all.
Elizabeth was so nice.
She has sent a discount codefor everybody on here who's
listening, so you can actuallyuse the code Lemon10, and you
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can actually get 10% off of her,which is just so beyond
generous.
Elizabeth, if you were to leavebecause we could be here for
hours, I'll be so honest.
If you were to leave them withfinal advice on making this
decision and just talking totheir kids, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Where to school children?
Where?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
to school, how to talk to your kids if they are in
school.
Whatever final advice God'stelling you to leave yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
In the first chapter of James, the Apostle James
tells us that if any of us lackswisdom, we should ask God, and
he will give generously to all.
And so we have this promisethat when we're seeking God and
there's a situation where wedon't know what to do, we can
trust that he will give us thewisdom that we need.
Now we would really prefer ifthat was an audible voice or
something directly written out,to be like oh, these are the
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three steps I need to do, thanksGod.
Where it usually doesn't workout that way, usually we're left
to be like okay, this is what Ithink is the right decision,
lord, I'm going to move forwardwith it, but we can trust that
God is going to give us thewisdom that we need.
And I said to start off, Ireally think intentionality is
the biggest piece.
So anybody who's here who'sthinking I don't know, my kids
(27:45):
are in public school.
I don't know if I should pullthem out.
Or, like my kids are in aprivate Christian school, I
don't know if it's worth themoney.
Or I'm homeschooling my kids.
I don't know if this is thebest decision for them Right now
.
Stick with what you and beintentional about praying that
the Lord would make itabundantly clear to you if you
need a different educationalsetting for your child.
I would also encourage you justto seek out wisdom from others
(28:08):
that God has given us, the bodyof Christ.
We're not called to do lifealone, so seek out wisdom from
those who know you well, fromthose who know your children
well, from those who know yourcommunity well.
What are their thoughts?
Ultimately, you are going to bethe one that has to make the
decision here, but you can allowothers to speak into that.
(28:29):
So that would be my final wordof advice to really be
intentional, to seek out whatthe Lord would have for your
children and to trust that Godwill give you the wisdom that
you need when you need it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I love that advice.
I love the intentionality it isso important and I love that
you've made it easy for us to beintentional with our family.
So I thank you for being here.
Where can everybody go to findand connect with you and all of
the fun things?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, I'm really bad at social media, so that's not a
great place to connect with me,but unfortunately you can go to
social media to connect withour company.
Someone else runs that on myteam.
If you go tofoundationworldviewcom, that's
where you can find out all theinformation about all the
different things that we'redoing and the resources we have
available to help you as you'reseeking to parent your children.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh my gosh, guys, please go connect with her and,
like I said, she was kind enoughto offer you guys a discount on
her stuff so you can useLemon10 and you can go get 10%
off.
Go do it.
We all know it's going to get.
It's going to be a weird year.
We already know it's anelection year.
I feel like the year alwaysgets weird in election year.
So you want to be equippingyour children?
Please go equip your children,the children.
(29:44):
I think that we could probablyhave a larger conversation about
how that was like the how weended up here as a society
because we didn't have equippedchildren, like equipped
generations at all.
So I just want to thank you forbeing here, my friend.
This was so good.
Maybe we'll have to come backand talk about linguistic theft
at some point, because that islike one of my favorite topics.
So you are super appreciated.
This was super great, and Ijust thank you for being here,
my friend, having been great tochat with you today.
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Hey friend, what a joy it hasbeen to share today's journey
with you.
If you found a spark ofinspiration or a nugget of
wisdom that resonated, would youbless someone else by sharing
this episode with them.
It could be the encouragementthey need to step into their
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Also, if you could spare amoment to leave a review, it
would mean the world to me.
I really appreciate yourfeedback and it really helps our
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community grow.
Remember, the road todiscovering God's call for you
isn't one you have to walk alone.
So join me again next Mondayfor another episode where we'll
continue to explore the depthsof leadership and the heights of
our heavenly calling.
Until then, keep seeking, keepgrowing and keep trusting in his
plan.
God bless you and I'll catchyou on the flip side.
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I'm your host, lemon Price, andtoday I'm really excited
because I have my friendElizabeth Arbonicz here, and so
you guys probably know her, andif you don't, you should,
because she is the founder ofFoundation Worldview.
She is helping adults equiptheir children to evaluate every
single idea and understand thetruth behind a biblical
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worldview.
She's just amazing.
She has her master's inapologetics.
She does all the things.
She's been on probably everypodcast now of Mike Winger, like
Alisa Childers, like she's beeneverywhere, you should know her
.
If you don't know her, gofollow her.
But anyway, just thank you forbeing here, elizabeth.
I'm excited that you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, me too.
Thanks so much for having me ontoday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Lemon.
I am really excited.
So before we started recording,we were talking because listen
her assistant, by the way, islike the best.
She sent me a million greattopics, but there was one I was
like really excited to dive intoand you guys are probably
you've probably asked yourselfthis if you have children, do we
homeschool or do we send ourkids to public school?
(02:00):
Do we go to private school?
Do we go to a private Christianschool?
Like there's so many educationoptions.
Elizabeth is the perfect personto talk about this, because
this is the experience that wehave.
So, elizabeth, before we divein, will you give a background
on how Foundation Worldview evencame about, what you're doing,
all the kind of fun things?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know that on your podcast you talk a lot about
finances and businesses and allthat kind of stuff.
So I'm sure that my backgroundis similar to many people's and
that what I'm doing right now Ilove.
But I didn't have any plans fordoing this.
It was something that the Lordjust brought me into step by
step.
So my background is ineducation and I spent the first
decade of my professional careeras an elementary teacher in a
Christian school just outside ofChicago and I loved teaching
(02:42):
there.
I loved teaching there.
I love teaching.
I love getting to teach thewhole truth.
But I noticed a problem severalyears into my teaching
experience that my students.
They came from intentionalChristian homes.
I'm passionate about God andhis word, so I was giving them a
biblically based education allday long.
Most of them were involved in alocal church, but they still
were rapidly absorbing ideasfrom the culture without any
(03:02):
question.
And so I just went on a questto look for what resources can I
use to equip my students tothink critically?
Whether it's in a conversationon the playground, whether it's
they're watching a YouTube video, whether it's they're reading a
book, whatever, I just wantedthem to pause and ask themselves
what did I just hear?
Is it true?
Is it not true?
(03:23):
How do I know?
Does it line up with scripture?
Does it not line up withscripture?
And so I went on this searchfor materials and everything I
found was for high schoolers onup, and I thought I'm so
grateful that these materialsexist.
But if I'm seeing this problemwith my students who are eight
and nine years old, if we waituntil they're 16, like we've
lost almost a whole decade oftraining time.
And so when I couldn't findanything, I just thought you
(03:44):
know what?
I guess I'll start reading somebooks, go into some seminars
and I started creating my ownresources.
And it just caught on likewildfire.
And before I knew it washappening, people were
contacting me from all oversaying how can we get our hands
on what you have?
And I was like I'm a third gradeteacher, I'm not a publishing
house, I don't have anything foryou.
I'm really sorry, but that kepthappening over and over again.
So eventually, while I wasteaching that's when I went back
(04:06):
to school got the master's inChristian apologetics, just to
make sure I really knew what Iwas talking about.
And then, halfway through thatdegree, I left teaching to start
Foundation Worldview.
And what we do at FoundationWorldview is we seek to create
easy to use and easy toimplement materials for parents,
for churches, for Christianschools, so that they can train
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the children that God has placedin their care to carefully
evaluate every idea theyencounter, so they can
understand the truth of thebiblical worldview.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, I love that.
I feel like most of the womenI've talked to lately did not
intend to start a business.
This wasn't their goal.
It was more like I see a needand I need to meet the need, and
now they're having thisbeautiful impact.
I feel like I'm seeing it a lotmore lately with women who are
just like man.
I really want to serve thisparticular community in this
particular way.
(04:55):
This is the talents that God'sgiven me, and then he's blessed
you with this thing, probablybeyond what you imagined it
could be, and so I love that youhave resources for parents, for
like schools, for churches,like for literally everybody,
because I know like when we werehomeschooling and stuff like I
needed so many.
It was an abundance ofresources that we needed.
(05:21):
And so, since we're talkingabout this kind of topic, I
would love to know do you feellike, with what's going on in
public schools, have you seen anuptick in the need for what
you're doing, and how has thatimpacted what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Since 2020, across the board in the nation there
has been a mass exodus frompublic schools, not necessarily
in more conservative regions ofthe country, but in certain
regions of the country there'sjust been a mass exodus.
I know one of the men on myteam.
He lives in Texas and he wastelling us how they just got a
letter from their schooldistrict saying that two of the
elementary schools were closingdown simply because so many
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people had pulled their kids outto homeschool them or to put
them in Christian school.
I know that the Christianschool where I used to work
they're doing a massive buildingcampaign because when I was
there they had two sections pergrade level, but ever since
COVID they've had four sectionsper grade level.
So it's just all across thecountry we are seeing more
parents choosing Christianeducation or choosing
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homeschooling, and I think youknow we just have to be aware
I'm not making a blanketstatement because I can't,
because I don't know people'schildren, like our individual
home situations and so we areseeing a need for what is for
what we're doing at FoundationWorldview, not just because of
public education, but justbecause of what's going on in
(06:37):
our world in general Severalfactors, even if we're very
careful about limiting theamount of screen time our
children have and limiting whatapps they can go on, what shows
they can watch, because of theprevalence of screen screens.
In one year of our children'slives they're going to receive
more competing ideas andmessages than most throughout
the course of history havereceived in their entire lives.
(07:00):
So, whether our children arepublic schooled, school or
homeschool, they all need to beequipped with solid, quality
thinking skills to know how toevaluate the different ideas
that come their way.
And then, especially with whatwe're seeing not only in public
schools but just in our cultureat large, where so much of the
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language that is used has beentwisted to make something that
really does not align withscripture, almost make it sound
like it aligns with scripture weneed to equip our children to
actually think through thedefinition of words.
For example, it's very popularright now, especially in public
schools, to at one pointthroughout the day or a couple
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times throughout the week, tohave a social emotional learning
class.
Social and emotional learningsounds great.
I mean, what parent doesn'twant their children to have
positive social skills?
What parent doesn't want theirchild to learn how to regulate
their emotions in a positive way.
Those are beneficial things,and that's what these
curriculums and what theseclasses are labeled.
However, what most parentsdon't know is that in these
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classes, words like empathy andkindness the definition has been
twisted in a way that actuallydoesn't align with what true
empathy and kindness are.
For example, in these courses,children are taught certain
things about gender identity andhow someone's lived experience
or someone's personal feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think that no matter what situation our
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children are in, whether they'rein public school, private
school or homeschooled we needto equip them with skills to
evaluate the ideas that theyencounter, so that they are not
taken captive by these hollowand deceptive philosophies that
are cloaked in really positiveand sometimes even oh, I love
(09:12):
this, I'm like a nerd, so I havean English degree, so I'm such
a nerd about like linguistictheft and like definitions of
words and what words mean andhow it plays out Like this is a
conversation my kids and I haveon a regular basis is what do
words actually mean?
What does scripture say and Ilove that you're like feelings
say.
The Bible says to our feelingsare fickle, like we can't trust
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our feelings actually.
And oh, I love that I couldhave a whole, we could do a
whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Maybe we should one day because it is.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's really important and like and I love that you
said our kids are exposed to somuch.
So I know our school, so I feellike privileged because I live
in rural Georgia and my teachersare playing like worship music
throughout the day and they'relike recommending churches.
There's no issue there.
Necessarily.
We had an issue two years agowith a teacher trying to promote
some like her ideology and andit was really her ideology was
(10:08):
very, it was super interesting.
It was probably as not biblicalas one could get ideologically
and so it honestly it forced mykids a little bit to start
questioning things and we justhad an issue.
Even like last week there is astudent that my youngest was
friends with and presented mail,used like the boys bathroom,
(10:33):
all those things, and when myhusband and I, when we met them,
we were like I don't actuallyI'm not like a hundred percent
here on this, and all of asudden he started questioning.
He was like wait a minute.
He was like actually like, butyou guys are like getting the
full, but like never use theurinal and like it's always like
very protected and guarded, andlike we talked to the parents
(10:54):
and like this that's like normalin their household and he was
able to pick up like oh wait, aminute, hold.
What like I'm seeing and whatI'm being told isn't actually
like reality, which was likehard.
It was hard for him too.
They've been friends since likekindergarten and he's in fifth
grade and it like crushed hiswhole reality of who this person
(11:15):
was.
I've been telling him likethat's so hard.
But also I'm really proud ofyou for having critical thinking
skills.
We're trying, we're trying, andso that's where I think it's
hard, because as a parent, youwant to shelter your child from
things like I don't want you tobe exposed to these awful things
.
But then also I feel like we'vebenefited from it a little bit
(11:40):
and it could be because we havesuch open dialogue in our
household.
But it's hard.
I think it's a hard balance.
So, like, how do you balancethat?
How do you, if you're like aparent and you're listening,
like how do you juggle exposureversus keeping your kid
protected?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I think.
So I'm going to give some broadadvice, but then also say that
I think you really have toconsider each child
independently, because God hasdesigned each child differently.
They have a unique set ofskills and strengths and
weaknesses, personality, all ofthese different things.
And so I can't just say, justdo this for your child and
everything will turn out fine,because it's like every child is
(12:19):
different.
So I think the one thing thatwe can say across the board is
intentionality.
We can't just make any defaultdecision for our child and just
say, oh, you know what, Ihaven't really thought about
this, but I'm just going to dothis because it's what's always
been done.
We have to be intentional atmaking sure we're thinking and
praying through okay, god, likethis child that you have given
me, like what is actually bestfor them.
(12:40):
And so an analogy that I liketo give is, I think, bad ideas,
false ideas really a goodanalogy is germs or viruses,
because bad ideas are reallyinfectious that we tend to pick
up bad ideas just by beingaround others who have bad ideas
, just like we tend to pick upviruses just by being around
others who are carrying thoseviruses.
(13:01):
And when I was a teacher.
Basically all my life I've beena germaphobe so I like I do not
like germs.
I've grown a little bit out ofmy germaphobiness.
But when I was a teacher, myfirst year, I got sick a ton.
Just like all first yearteachers, you get sick a ton.
Your second year you'resupposed to get sick like still
a ton, but a little bit less.
And by your third year you'resupposed to be pretty much
immune.
So you get like maybe sick onceor twice a year, but not a ton,
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where for me, just the oppositehappened.
I got sick a lot.
My first year I got sick evenmore.
My second year and my thirdyear I was on almost eight
rounds of antibiotics beforeChristmas even came.
And so eventually I went to mydoctor and I was like, okay, we
need to stop it with theantibiotics.
I want to stop treating likethe symptom and I want to get to
the root of like, why am Igetting sick so often?
And so what the doctor did ishe sat down with me and he
(13:45):
actually took time and he askedme some questions and he said
well, can you tell me how oftenyou wash your hands?
And I was like, oh, I teach inthis mobile classroom, which is
a glorified trailer, there is nosink, so I use hand sanitizer.
And he was like okay, how oftendo you use hand sanitizer?
I was like, hey, how often doyou use hand sanitizer?
I was like, oh, probably like30 to 50 times a day.
And he was like ding, here wehave the problem.
(14:05):
He was like Elizabeth, if youare using hand sanitizer that
often, he's like what you'redoing, you're killing all of the
bacteria and viruses on yourhand.
You're also killing all thegood bacteria.
He's like you're not lettingyourself getting exposed to
these viruses and bacteria invery small doses.
He said you should be washingyour hands before you eat food,
before you rub your eyes, yournose or your mouth.
(14:26):
He's like not all throughoutthe day, he said, because you
need to build up immunity.
And so he said what I want youto do.
I want you to try to wash yourhands instead of using hand
sanitizer.
And he's like, whether you washyour hands or use hand
sanitizer, I only want you to dothat before you eat or before
you go to rub your eyes, nose ormouth.
And I was like, oh my gosh,this is going to be so hard.
But I followed his advice and Ididn't get another sinus
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infection for five years becausemy body actually built up some
immunity, and it's similar withbad ideas and our kids.
We don't want to sanitize everysingle thing that our kids see,
because if we do, if we sanitizeevery single interaction and
every single media that they'represented with and every single
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book, what's going to happen isthen one day, when they're let
out into the world, they'regoing to be their immune system
like their immune system forideas.
Their mental immune system isgoing to be very weak and
they're going to be very easilytaken captive.
Where we also don't want tojust go and kick our kids out
without any training, but wewant to just prepare them to be
exposed to false ideas inhealthy doses.
(15:32):
And this is where it depends onthe child.
For some children, someonemight live in a more
conservative area of the countrywhere, yes, the school system
is impacted by some of thethings that are going on with
gender and sexuality and otherideologies, but for the most
part, the teachers are good.
What they're using is fine.
(15:52):
Knowing who your child is, youthink you know what.
I think I can send my child tothis school.
We can have good conversations,I can be training them in
scripture, grounding them inGod's word, and I think they're
going to do okay.
This is a healthy amount ofexposure when for some other
children that might be too much,that might be too much, and so
we just have to make thedecision based on who our child
(16:14):
is, where we live and thesituation that they're going to
be in, because you justmentioned how your son really
struggled with finding out that.
Oh my goodness, I didn'tcorrectly understand who this
friend was, but he was at aplace in his development and
your training of him.
It was difficult, but it wasnot a weight that was too big
for him to bear, where, if yourson was in first grade and he
(16:35):
had a friend who was openlytransitioning and all day long
he was required to call thisfriend by an alternate name, an
alternate pronoun For asix-year-old for most
six-year-olds it's going to betoo big of a weight for them to
bear, and so I would just reallyencourage parents to be
intentional.
We want healthy exposures tofalse ideas, but that has to be
accompanied by good questionsand relationship building with
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the parent, sound criticalthinking skills and then
evaluate okay, is this still ahealthy environment for my child
?
Is this still healthy doses offalse ideas?
Or is this too much for wheretheir mental immune system is
right now?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, I love that.
You just called it a mentalimmune system.
I got it.
Put that on a t-shirt orsomething for the company
because I would buy that t-shirt.
But okay, so I love thisconversation.
So then, how would yourecommend maybe talking to your
kids, because I know this is howI ended up in apologetics in
the first place.
It's talking to women all thetime.
(17:34):
You were like I can't talk tomy child the way you do because
I didn't go to seminary or Idon't have these schools.
I don't know how to answertheir questions or what's your
best advice, maybe for theparents who are listening.
That all sounds good, but Idon't know what I would do if my
child came home and told meabout this ideology happening at
school.
I don't feel equipped to answerthat.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I think the basic skill that we need to make
sure that we have solid andthat we train our children in,
is discerning the differencebetween a claim that is
objective, meaning that it'seither true or false, versus a
claim that is subjective it'sjust something that's based on
emotion or preference.
Objective is something that'seither true or false, it's
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outside of our control versussomething that is subjective
it's just based on emotion orpersonal preference.
Because what our world ispreaching so much to us now is
that our inner, subjective,emotional world is the best
guide to reality where that issimply not true.
In the book Mama BearApologetics I love the way they
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said it they say that emotionsmake a wonderful check engine
light but a terrible GPS, thatemotions tell us hey,
something's going on, I need tofigure out what's going on.
But if we let our emotions lead, those emotions might lead us
to a place of untruth.
So a simple way to do this.
So I'll just give a fewexamples for moms who have kids
of different ages.
If you have littles, if youhave kids seven on down, just
(19:01):
give them a simple definition oftruth and just say truth is
what is real.
Actually, any age child justsay truth is what is real.
Give them this basic definitionand then you can play a little
game and you can say okay, we'regoing to play a game and I'm
going to tell you some sentences.
Some of these sentences aregoing to be true sentences.
Some of these sentences aregoing to be true sentences.
They're going to show youwhat's real.
And if you hear a true sentence, I want you to spread your arms
out like an X and say true,some of the sentences I tell you
(19:27):
they're not going to be true,they're going to be silly
sentences.
They will not show what is real.
And when you hear a sentencelike that, I want you to cross
your arms and say not true.
Like I always like to talkabout dogs, because most kids
love dogs, and so you can saypuppies are baby dogs.
Then you can give them a sillysentence that's not true.
Like puppies run on the ceilingoh my goodness, that is not
true.
And just keep playing this true, not true game.
(19:49):
So you're creating in theirmind these mental categories of
this is true or this is not trueFor older kids, for kids like
roughly eight to 12, oneSaturday, just find something
that your children wouldconsider.
Hide it somewhere around thehouse and write out different
sets of directions for findingthat prize.
The key is only one set ofdirections can be the true set
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of directions.
And then tell them hey, I'vehidden this thing around the
house.
There's only one of it, so onlyone of you is going to get it.
I've written out somedirections.
Some of them are truedirections.
They're going to show you wherethe prize really is.
Some of them are not truedirections.
They're not going to show youwhere it really is.
Then send them out on the hunt.
Only one child is going to findthis.
And then come back and debrief,like why was your brother, why
was your sister, the only onethat found this?
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Because they had the directionsthat showed what was real.
They had the directions thatwere true.
So just to solidify in olderkids' minds that truth is what
is real and with older kids youcan even take it a step further.
Now what if you had believedwith your whole heart that your
false set of directions was true?
If you believe that with yourwhole heart would you have found
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the prize?
Then no, because it doesn'tmatter how much you felt it or
believed that it was true, itwas false and so you still
wouldn't have found the prize.
Then, after that, we want tointroduce the concept of
subjective feelings or emotions,and so, with little ones, play
that same true, not true game,but this time add in feelings
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and say I might give you asentence that shares someone's
feelings.
When I do that, I want you togive yourself a hug and say
feelings.
So play the same game.
Choose any object, like the dog.
Say puppies are baby dogs.
That's true, puppies run on theceiling.
That's not true.
And then add in a feelingsentence and say puppies are fun
.
That's a feeling.
Many people feel like puppiesare fun, but some people, when
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puppies are chewing on theirsofa, do not feel like puppies
are fun and so just keep playingthis game.
So then they have these threemental categories that's true,
that's not true, that's afeeling.
And it's amazing what canhappen.
We've here at FoundationWorldview, in our biblical
thinking track of our we havecurriculums for kids ages 4+, 8+
and 12+, and in our biblicalthinking track all three
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curriculums start off with thisunit on truth.
And we had a mom right into ourministry who had taken her son
through our biblical worldviewcurriculum for kids four plus
and she told us about asituation in her son's school
where her son was in secondgrade at the time.
She picked him up from school,he got in the car and she was
like hey, bud, how was your day?
And he's like mom, it was sucha weird day.
And she was like what was soweird about it?
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And he was like our teacher wasabsent and we had a substitute
and the substitute was a man buthe was wearing a dress and he
wanted us to call him Mrs.
So the mom said she'sinternally freaking out because
they haven't had a transgendertalk at the age of seven.
But she just responded bysaying what did she think of
that?
He was like mom, it was so sad.
And she said oh interesting,why did you think it was sad?
He said because the truth isthat he is a boy, that's what
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his body shows.
But he's choosing to believehis feelings instead of the
truth.
And so she had, by just playingthat simple game with her son
the true, not true feelings gameshe had set him up for a
situation she didn't evenrealize was coming, but he was
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able to look at that situationand say, oh, this man is
believing his feelings ratherthan the truth.
And so this is what we want forall our kids.
With older kids, we can eventeach them the terms objective
and subjective.
If something's objective, it'seither true or false.
If something's subjective, it'sjust a personal feeling.
And then we can give kidsexamples like saying earth is
round, is that objective orsubjective?
It's objective.
But also saying earth is flatis also objective, it's
objectively false.
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But that's the whole point ofobjective statements.
And then sometimes, if we'reworking with older kids kids 10
on up they might push back alittle bit, just because they've
been so indoctrinated by theculture to believe that feelings
are the best guide to reality.
We can say well, you know what,think about it this way.
What if we have a friend who'sreally depressed?
And this friend is reallystruggling with depression?
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Are his feelings pointing himto the truth?
And in that situation it'sclearly obvious no, his feelings
are not pointing him to thetruth.
He feels, he completely feelsand believes that he is
worthless.
But what?
The truth of that situation isthat he is an image bearer of
the holy God.
He has incredible value.
He is loved by God.
He's loved by his family.
Everyone's life is richerbecause he is there, and so
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sometimes an emotional situationlike that can help.
Older kids who are pushing backsay oh, you know what?
Sometimes feelings don'tactually point us towards what
is true.
So that would be my firstrecommendation for anyone who's
I don't know how to have theseconversations with my kids.
If you can just give your kidsthese mental boxes of true, not
true, and feeling, that willreally lay the foundation for
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every other conversation thatyou're going to have with them.
And then, if anyone'sinterested in more information,
at our ministry website,foundationworldviewcom, we have
tons of resources that you canactually implement with your
children, because that's reallyour goal.
That I'm single.
I'm not married, I don't haveany children of my own, but what
I do have is the gift of time.
So we're busy moms who areraising their kids and trying to
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keep a household together, andmany of them running businesses.
You don't have time to actuallysit down and think through how
do I actually go through all ofthese things with my kids?
So we try to make it easy foryou so that you can just easily
implement the materials thatwe've taken the time to create
so you can train your childrento think in this way.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I love this game and my kids are home.
Today, guys, we're recordingthis during Hurricane Debbie, so
my kids are home, so I have alot of time to talk to them
today, just about this.
And we have long car rides allthe time.
We live an hour from church, sowe go to church all the way
down near Savannah, so we'redriving an hour to church.
We have a lot of time to haveconversation.
I love this game because theyoh my goodness, I just think
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it's so smart.
It's so smart we have.
I remember my grandmother.
She said to me before shepassed a couple years ago she's,
you have to pair it sodifferently than I did she's.
There's no like advice that Ican necessarily give you,
because the world in whichyou're raising your children is
not even.
It wasn't even on my radar tohave these kind of conversations
(25:55):
about being transgender or anyof these.
My youngest came home and hewas talking about somebody being
bisexual and I was, like, wherehave you heard this term?
You're 10.
Like, where have you?
I definitely did not know whatthat was at 10.
And so I love that you've putthese resources together to make
it easy for parents because,yeah, the world we're parenting
(26:15):
in is not the one even that wewere raised in, Like you and I
are both the same age.
This is not the world that wewere even raised in, and so I'm
so grateful for you putting justthese resources together and
y'all.
Elizabeth was so nice.
She has sent a discount codefor everybody on here who's
listening, so you can actuallyuse the code Lemon10, and you
(26:36):
can actually get 10% off of her,which is just so beyond
generous.
Elizabeth, if you were to leavebecause we could be here for
hours, I'll be so honest.
If you were to leave them withfinal advice on making this
decision and just talking totheir kids, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Where to school children?
Where?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
to school, how to talk to your kids if they are in
school.
Whatever final advice God'stelling you to leave yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
In the first chapter of James, the Apostle James
tells us that if any of us lackswisdom, we should ask God, and
he will give generously to all.
And so we have this promisethat when we're seeking God and
there's a situation where wedon't know what to do, we can
trust that he will give us thewisdom that we need.
Now we would really prefer ifthat was an audible voice or
something directly written out,to be like oh, these are the
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three steps I need to do, thanksGod.
Where it usually doesn't workout that way, usually we're left
to be like okay, this is what Ithink is the right decision,
lord, I'm going to move forwardwith it, but we can trust that
God is going to give us thewisdom that we need.
And I said to start off, Ireally think intentionality is
the biggest piece.
So anybody who's here who'sthinking I don't know, my kids
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are in public school.
I don't know if I should pullthem out.
Or, like my kids are in aprivate Christian school, I
don't know if it's worth themoney.
Or I'm homeschooling my kids.
I don't know if this is thebest decision for them Right now
.
Stick with what you and beintentional about praying that
the Lord would make itabundantly clear to you if you
need a different educationalsetting for your child.
I would also encourage you justto seek out wisdom from others
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that God has given us, the bodyof Christ.
We're not called to do lifealone, so seek out wisdom from
those who know you well, fromthose who know your children
well, from those who know yourcommunity well.
What are their thoughts?
Ultimately, you are going to bethe one that has to make the
decision here, but you can allowothers to speak into that.
(28:29):
So that would be my final wordof advice to really be
intentional, to seek out whatthe Lord would have for your
children and to trust that Godwill give you the wisdom that
you need when you need it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I love that advice.
I love the intentionality it isso important and I love that
you've made it easy for us to beintentional with our family.
So I thank you for being here.
Where can everybody go to findand connect with you and all of
the fun things?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, I'm really bad at social media, so that's not a
great place to connect with me,but unfortunately you can go to
social media to connect withour company.
Someone else runs that on myteam.
If you go tofoundationworldviewcom, that's
where you can find out all theinformation about all the
different things that we'redoing and the resources we have
available to help you as you'reseeking to parent your children.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh my gosh, guys, please go connect with her and,
like I said, she was kind enoughto offer you guys a discount on
her stuff so you can useLemon10 and you can go get 10%
off.
Go do it.
We all know it's going to get.
It's going to be a weird year.
We already know it's anelection year.
I feel like the year alwaysgets weird in election year.
So you want to be equippingyour children?
Please go equip your children,the children.
(29:44):
I think that we could probablyhave a larger conversation about
how that was like the how weended up here as a society
because we didn't have equippedchildren, like equipped
generations at all.
So I just want to thank you forbeing here, my friend.
This was so good.
Maybe we'll have to come backand talk about linguistic theft
at some point, because that islike one of my favorite topics.
So you are super appreciated.
This was super great, and Ijust thank you for being here,
my friend, having been great tochat with you today.
(30:04):
Hey friend, what a joy it hasbeen to share today's journey
with you.
If you found a spark ofinspiration or a nugget of
wisdom that resonated, would youbless someone else by sharing
this episode with them.
It could be the encouragementthey need to step into their
purpose and calling.
Also, if you could spare amoment to leave a review, it
would mean the world to me.
I really appreciate yourfeedback and it really helps our
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community grow.
Remember, the road todiscovering God's call for you
isn't one you have to walk alone.
So join me again next Mondayfor another episode where we'll
continue to explore the depthsof leadership and the heights of
our heavenly calling.
Until then, keep seeking, keepgrowing and keep trusting in his
plan.
God bless you and I'll catchyou on the flip side.
Bye, friend.
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