Ep. 172 - Echoes of 80s Adventures and Iconic Bands - Milk Crates and Turntables. A Music Discussion Podcast

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Scott McLean (00:11):
Well, here we are, episode 172?
173?
I don't know.
It's one of those.
I'll figure it out afterwards,but on this episode Jack is back
.
Maybe he's a 50-50.
I'm just saying this just incase, because his feelings are

(00:33):
going to hurt if he comes on andI didn't introduce him, so I
don't want to hear him.
I'm not in the mood tonight.
So anyway, yeah, tonight I'mgoing to finish what I've been
trying to finish for two weeksUnderrated lead singers.
I think we're going to talkabout some quirky album covers

(00:53):
and just whatever Jack has tosay.
I'm sure he's got a lot to say.
He always does.
So, anyway, sit back, relax,enjoy the podcast 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,
0.

Jack Calabrese (01:09):
All engines running Lift off.
We have a lift off.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
The KOSB Studio presents Milk Rates and.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Turntables a music discussion podcast hosted by
Scott McClain Now let's talkmusic.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Enjoy the show.
What's up everybody?

I'm jacked up tonight, brill.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
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Cole Kiley.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no technotonight, baby.

(02:14):
Yeah, welcome to the podcast.

Yeah, you know the name, I'm not going to say it
what they'll do One of thesedays?
These boots are going to stompall over you.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, this is the shit right here.

This is how I start the show now.
It used to be soft.
Now I don't give a shit, Idon't care.
It's London, alright, everyone,welcome to the podcast.
You know the name, I'm notgonna say it.
Streaming live right now, overeverything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome backmy friends to the show that
never ends.

(03:02):
Uh, what else?
I'm missing something.
I don't know.
I don't care.
So last week, during the show,I got cut off.
Facebook cut me off Like boomMusic.
They didn't like it orsomething, I don't know.

(03:23):
I don't care, though I don'tcare.
I'm still care, though I'mstill on YouTube.
So if I get cut off, go to theMilk Crates and Turntables
channel on YouTube.
You can watch it over therelive.
In the meantime, jack's back,yeah.
It's back.
Yeah, what's?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
up buddy.
I like that tune man.

Yeah, idols.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I like idols.

The name of the song is Never Fight a man with a
Perm.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So just a little fun fact for you.
Uh, I got a.
I got a.
A buddy of mine that plays in aband little literally lives
down the street from me.
He plays in a band called theinterrupters.
They open for the idols a bunchof time I'm sorry, it's just
idols, okay, okay so you'realready fucking starting.

(04:23):
Good night everybody.
Hey, scott I'm sorry, it's justidols, okay oh my god, you know
, aren't there enough peoplefighting over a bunch of
bullshit that we do?

we have to do the same no, no, but it's impossible
for us to have a peaceful show.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
We've just known each other too long yeah, so what's
the weather like down there?

ah, let me give you a weather report right now,
as a matter of fact, uh, it is abeautiful 72 degrees.
Ah what a coincidence, we got7.2 inches of snow today.
What a coincidence.
How does that happen?
Well, because you live in NewHampshire.

(05:15):
That's why that's true.
I can see the Canadian border.
Yeah, I can see Russia from mybackyard, so what's?
Been going on man.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Not a lot of good rock bands out of Russia.

No, no, can you name any?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
There was a Russian band.
Oh, would they let them out.
That's the whole thing, wouldthey even let them out?
There was a Russian band calledAutograph.

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
It was a band that was not from Russia, also called
autograph all right, that'sthen.

That's probably the ones I heard.
Yeah, that was uh, let me see,autograph.
American style had a hit in.
About 1984.
I want to say it was a turn upthe radio.
That was like I was like I camedown here to Fort Lauderdale
for spring break.
It was a last minute thing, meand my roommate at college and

(06:11):
we took a fucking Greyhound busfrom somewhere in Massachusetts
to Fort Lauderdale.
It was $99 round trip.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's a long trip.

That was crazy.
It sucked, but it was somecrazy stories on that fucking
bus ride give me, give me, giveme the best story from that bus
ride all right, you want thebest story, I I right off the
top as long as it's clean.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
But you know, this is a family no, no, I yeah, yeah,
yeah.

so we're on the bus, and so my roommate was a
younger kid.
He was from, like I don't know,tewksbury or something.
He was from the Burbs inMassachusetts.
Good kid though Can you say thename of that town one more time
, Like I don't know, Tewksburyor something.
Did I say that?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
You could be right.
I always said Tewksbury.

T-E-W-K-S right Tewksbury.
T-e-w-k-s right Tewks.
I don't know, it was irrelevantto me.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Who was the character on the Fruit Loops box?

Toucan Sam.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Okay, toucan, sam, yeah, tewksbury.

All right.

It's fine.
It's fine, you're reaching,you're reaching, anyway.
So we get off the bus in dc,right, that's one of the stops.
Now, along the way I I foundout that every greyhound bus
station from from boston toflorida has a burger king in it.
They, they all.
Back then, every one of them,like, burger king, had the

(07:42):
contract, right.
So at the end of that trip Ifucking hated I didn't eat
burger king for a year, right?
So we get off the bus and it'sit's in the evening and I think
it's like probably like athursday night or something.
And so we met these guys thatwere from michigan on the bus.
So, all right, they're cool,they're going to spring break,
we're going to spring break,everything's cool.

(08:03):
There's like four of them'scool.
There's like four of them,there's two of us.
So we get off the bus and I'mlike, of course I have the
brilliant idea let's go getsomething, let's go get some
booze, let's make this shithappen.
So we ask somebody on the busstation you know who's at bus
stations, right?
Nothing good happens.
No, good happens.
No one's good at a bus station,right?
So we're in the middle of dc,it's on a thursday evening and I

(08:25):
say, where's the liquor store,where you know where can we buy
booze?
And this black dude says well,are you gonna go up there and
take a right at this street andgo down?
And it's on the left, all right, so we do that well, why does
he have to be a black dude?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
why couldn't you?
Just say no, it wasn't.
Why can't you just say thatthis dude came up.

Well, because I'm in DC, it's probably anyway.
So we get up there and we getinto the liquor.
We walk into the liquor storeand we notice that it's full of
black dudes the only white guysin there.
Okay, and, all right, we getour shit and it's kind of a
weird vibe.
All right, we get our shit andit's kind of a weird vibe.

(09:10):
Now you got guys from shit poke,michigan.
You got my buddy roommate fromTewksbury, massachusetts, and
there's me where we grew up andhow we grew up, right.
So I'm like all right, this isgoing to be interesting.
So we get like a case of beerand we get I don't know a
fucking bottle of something,probably jack or whatever stupid
shit we were buying back then,and the guy just kind of behind

(09:34):
the counter just gives it to us.
And we came, we pay and we walkout and we take a left, we
stock and we didn't get 10 yardsand I hear from behind you
motherfuckers are in the wrongneighborhood and so I'm like, uh
, we just and I, these dudes arelike what?

Speaker 4 (09:55):
did he say?

I'm like, just keep walking, keep walking.
He says.
I think I said youmotherfuckers are in the wrong
neighborhood.
I'm like don't run, Because ifwe run then they're going to
fucking chase us and nothinggood is going to come of that.
So I said just keep fuckingwalking, Don't.
And like as soon as I said that, three fucking bottles smash

(10:22):
like around us they're throwingbottles at us and I look at the
dudes.
I go it's fucking time to runand you hear them all bust out
laughing like they would.
They were laughing their assesoff like motherfucker right they
played us right.
They wanted to see us run and weran right.

(10:44):
And so we get back to the bus.
I'm like that was fucking crazy, that was crazy, right.
And these dudes are all jackedup.
We go to get on the bus and thebus driver looks and goes oh,
you ain't bringing that on thebus.
Like we got the case of beer,right.
And he goes no, no, no, no, no,no, that's not coming on this
bus.
No, no, no.

(11:04):
Like well, we just bought it.
He goes I don't care, this busis leaving in like five minutes
With or without you, but it'sdefinitely even without the bear
.
Oh, fuck, all right.
Well, I'm like what do we dowith it?
Like someone's like what are wedoing?
What are?
I said, all right, I got an ideaand I take the case of beer and
I walk over to the originalblack guy that gave us the

(11:27):
directions and I go thanks forthe fucking information.
I gave him a case of beer.
It was Christmas time.
It was Christmas time for thisguy, damn.
He's like, damn Thanks.
I said we got to go.
All right, we got to go.
That's awesome.
That's just one story.

(11:47):
Then there's the lady with noteeth.
That was oh, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa I want to hear that story
that she was.
She was a freak man like she'sthis, older, like skinny, just
like greyhound bus station rap,and she was on the bus, right,
and this is like 84 and she'sjust like this little thing.

(12:07):
But it had started likesomething.
She was mouthy, she was verymouthy, right, and she just
starts firing off at one ofthese dudes from Michigan and
they get into this fucking, likethis argument, and it's
hilarious, right, it's hilarious.
And then she was not backingdown, like it just was going and
we're just enjoying this showand she's sitting right in front

(12:28):
of me and, like it justeventually dies down.
The bus gets dark, it's the samenight, it's just right, I was
the same after, and uh, and I,you know, just kind of chilling,
and I'm sitting in the row inthe aisle seat and everything's
quiet.
You hear the hum of the bus anddude sleeping, my roommate

(12:48):
sleeping next to me, these guys,and all of a sudden, like I
wasn't sleeping, I was justlooking, just all of a sudden I
see these fingers come over thetop of the chair, be in front of
me, it was like it was like thegolem right and I see, like
dude, I'm not making this up, Iwouldn't look the head.
I see the head rising above afucking slow motion like she's

(13:13):
creeping up the fucking chairand she looks and says no, she
said I wish that's what she saidshe says to me, have you ever
had a gum job?
and she smiles and she justsmiled and then sleeks back down

(13:36):
the table.
My god, I was like dude.
And I was like what, what I'mlike that you won't believe it
if I told you I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, I'm changing my seat.
Dude, it was the weirdestfucking thing.
The creep up the seat like thiswas total.
I don't know she was a, she wasa character.

(13:57):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
But you know you take .
You take one of those long,long bus rides.
You're gonna meet someinteresting characters oh,
certainly, uh, yeah you're gonnameet some interesting,
interesting characters.
Yeah, I can only imagine.
I mean, how long was that busride?
And that's back in the day, intwo days.
It was two days.
You, you had to rely on, youknow, batteries and cassettes.

(14:20):
Yeah, I mean, did you even havea walkman?
I mean, like, what were youdoing to entertain yourself?
Nothing Aside from gum jobs.

Yeah, nothing, it was talking in the sleep and
that was it.
There was no radio.
You couldn't play anything Likeno Walkman, it's 84, right?
So I'm in college, I didn'thave a Walkman, I didn't really
need it, and so it was just.
And then it was just and thenit was the.

(14:48):
The illusion.
The big illusion happened onday two, the big sign that says
welcome to florida.
And you're like yeah, we'rehere, we're here.
Little did we know that that'sanother four and a half hours at
least to get to Fort Lauderdale.
Then there's this there was nomeans of communication other

(15:09):
than landlines back then.
Right and so smooth.
Our friend Jimmy Boudreaux hewas down here already and now,
mind you, me and my roommate hadnowhere to stay.
We didn't have a hotel, right.
We just got on the bus to goright.
And so I said, all right, he'sgoing to meet us at the bus

(15:32):
station in Fort Lauderdale.
But there's two bus stationsand I'm like, oh, this is a
50-50 at best.
So what if we get there andhe's not there?
Like, what do we do from there?
Fortunately, we get off thethere and he's not there.
Like, what do we do from there?
Fortunately, you get off thebus and he's standing there.
It was the right bus station.
And we proceeded to crash inhis room.
I slept in some room with thesebunch of guys from Oklahoma.

(15:53):
We just I was transient guy,like transient guy, and it was,
it was.
It was a great spring breakback when spring break was like
rocking and rolling and at itshigh point down here in Fort
Lauderdale.
It was a great spring breakback when spring break was like
rocking and rolling and at itshigh point down here in Fort
Lauderdale, it was crazy.
I got off the bus.
We get to the hotel that Smoothis staying at.
I don't even get out of thepark Like I don't even get to

(16:17):
the.
There's a car comes by and thetrunk is open and there's a dude
sitting in the trunk like legshanging out, and I'm like hey,
what's up?
Dude, he goes.
You want to go for a ride?
Yeah, okay, I don't know whereI am, I don't even know what
hotel it is.
Jump in the back of the trunk,dude hands me a bottle, start
drinking and we just did thewhole up and down, a one, a, you

(16:42):
know, it was insane.
Unfortunately, they took meback to where they dropped, but
they picked me up.
It was very nice of them, itwas very white of them to do
that.
So there's a lot of raciallycharged.
Yeah, no, no, you started it.
Um.
So yeah, there was a lot ofstories ago in that week, I can
tell you that.
But so good times, good timeslongest bus trip you ever took

(17:07):
what, what was it?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I, uh, I it's not that long.
When we went down to live aid,we took a bus from boston to
philly.

It was nothing I was gonna say yeah, it's
probably.
You either went to new york orphilly or something like that
yeah, the the longest trip thatI ever took, like that.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I took a train from St Louis to Los Angeles.
That was three full days.

Yeah, that's a long train ride.
Yeah, that was crazy, yeah, butthere's no like toothless
people that look like Gollumthat want to give you a gum job
on a bus.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
No, people that look like gollum that want to no,
give you a gum job on a bus.
No, I was, uh, I was in.
I was in.
I was in the first classsection, oh, fuck you.
That's what do you mean fuck?

you, fuck you.
What are you talking about?
I just said I was on the chain,but no, you have to say I was
in the first class, I was in thewell, I'm just saying it wasn't
.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'm just saying it wasn't that bad.
It wasn't that bad, yeah,because you were in the first
class section.

We're sitting on the wooden chairs in the back
like Jethro Bodine.
They got ropes for seat belts.
Yeah so what's been going on,Jack?
What's been going?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
on.
Do you know what I did today?
What'd you do the first timethat I've done this since 1982?
Oh, I bought four tickets to gosee devo wow wow, coming to
boston 50th anniversary tour ofdevo is it's?

still around?
Yeah, original lineup.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Whoever's left.
I know that at least one ofthem has passed.

Well, it's not Mark, mothers, because then it
wouldn't really be Devo.
No, mark is still there.
And is his brother still?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
there.
My favorite Devo story is whenthey played I think they played
Max's Kansas City in New YorkCity back in 1979 or or so may,
78, 79, something like that andthey were in their van.
They were actually almost likea greyhound bus barnstorming

(19:17):
across the united states andthey played max's kansas city
and a head popped in the van andsaid are we not, not men?
We are Devo.
And it was John Lennon.
Yeah, I love that story, yeah.

I saw a clip today of an interview, an old
interview, with George Harrison.
It's fascinating and he wastalking about you know what?
Let me, I'm going to see if Ican play this.
It's a short clip, Let me see.
It was.

(19:50):
I'd never heard him kind oftalk like this.
Let me see.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Is this where he kind of is bitching about John
Lennon?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, let me see.
John Lennon said he was reallyhurt by you that you never
mentioned in your autobiographyany of the influence that he had
on you.
He was annoyed because I didn'tsay that he had written one
line of this song.
Taxman, did you tell him that?
Well, I didn't, because he wasalready dead after that.
But the point to that was thatI also didn't say how I wrote

(20:21):
two lines to Come Together orthree lines to Eleanor Rigby.
You know I wasn't getting intoany of that.
I think in the balance I wouldhave had more things to be
niggled with him about than hewould have with me.
But he said that you idolizedhim as a young boy, that you
thought Well, that's what hethought and you didn't.

(20:42):
Well, I liked him very much, hewas a groove, he was a good lad
, but at the same time hemisread me.
He didn't realize who I was,and this was one of the main
faults of John and Paul.

John Lennon said he was Boom, john and Paul.
I don't know what year that washe was relatively young and it
was after Lennon died.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, you know what I mean.
I think we've talked about thisbefore.
But that whole Peter Jacksondocumentary, you know, get back
with the whole, let it be.
You know, sessions, at least Icould clearly see that it wasn't
Yoko that broke up the Beatles.
I think they were done, andmore so than anybody george

(21:33):
harrison was.
He was so done because he was,you know, third, third person in
line right, lennon andmccartney.
You were never going to be ableto outdo them, outshine them or
whatever in his brilliance.
And he was a great songwriter.
Uh, was, you know, kind of puton the back burner and, you know
, put behind the curtain and hegot his one song or two songs,
you know, per album and you know, and that was the end of it.

(21:54):
And he was sick of it, didn'twant to tour, he didn't even
want to play on the roof.
When they did that famous thingon the roof, he did not want to
do that at all.
He was like, why would we dothat?

right, right, um, so there's kind of a a
comparison that I have here.
Some years back, researchshowed that the infamous judas
didn't really betray, right,there was this whole thing that

(22:26):
the whole thing was kind ofwarped over time, that Judas
didn't really do what he wasaccused of, which was, you know,
kind of rat out Jesus.
He was actually trying to warnhim.
But the Judas symbol you know,the logo, the, the slang or
whatever the moniker will neverbe changed, right, it's.

(22:48):
It's just embedded in historythat you're a traitor, you're
judas, right?
I think that yoko kind of mightbe part of the judas complex.
So, okay, she has the bad rap.
She was a pain in the ass, john, let it happen.
But now you're starting to hearor I know you've heard this, I

(23:11):
don't even know if we've evertalked about it, but now you
hear all the mumblings that itreally wasn't that much Yoko, as
much as it was.
John did not want to or couldnot compete with Paul the
infamous.
He writes 10 songs.
Now I have to write 10 songsand they used to, they used to

(23:34):
fight.
It wasn't the albums, it wasabout the singles.
Who gets side a right?
So I think the biggest diss onjohn was.
Well, you know, strawberryfields gets the, I guess, gets
side a penny lane gets the bside right.
One of those deals uh,mccartney would always seem to

(23:58):
get the a side of the single andI think john was just couldn't
keep up with that and that was abig part of the starting to
back off and like, ah, I don'twant to fucking do this anymore
Because John was an egomaniac,he was definitely a narcissist.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I think in order to be in any band, in order to be
in any type of performance, youdo have to have a healthy ego.
But John definitely had a bigego and he was always recognized
as the leader of the Beatlesand there's no question in those
later days, paul McCartney was,was the creative force, he was

(24:37):
the one that that, oh yeah,absolutely.

I never looked at it that way.
I never looked at it that way,I never looked at him.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
He was undoubtedly, absolutely the motivating leader
of the Beatles in the earlydays.
But as time went by, you know,paul kind of came into his own,
not that he wasn't before, buthe really.
I mean again, if you watch, ifyou watch that, get back.

(25:04):
You know, let it be documentary.
Paul's just, he's just in thezone, he's rattling stuff off
and you know John is isdistracted, you know, with.
I mean they always talk aboutthe other Beatles, always talk
about that.
It was Paul.
Toward the end we got to getback in the studio time to go to

(25:25):
work.
Let's go, let's go, let's go,let's go.
There was a.

There was a big, big shift yeah, and I I think
that uh, john got lazy and hecouldn't keep up with Paul and
it shows in their solo work.
Paul was a machine when and I'vesaid this a hundred times on
this podcast and in otherconversations that paul you

(25:51):
could, you can always tell whensomebody leaves a band and they
put out like this great musicfor a couple years that was, I
believe those are catalog songsthat they just had written, that
just didn't make it in with theband or were being written in
the middle of the breakup of theband and it's kind of residual
from being in the band.
They're in that creative kindof mold and I think morrissey is

(26:13):
a good example of that.
When he left the smiths he wason fire like for a couple of
albums and I think he had thatleftover type of residual uh
mentality and and drive.
And I think once you go soloand it settles, the dust settles
and I could be totally wronghere.
When the dust settles youchange everything, kind of

(26:34):
shifts.
There's no pressure anymore,there's no internal pressure
from other members in the bandor to lead the band or the
competition that those two had.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
You agree yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, look
, I probably like you.
When I was a kid, I was like,oh my god, the beatles.
It's so shitty that they brokeup.
You know, like, oh my god, itwould be amazing to for them to
get back together.
It was, it was perfect.
The way that it happened, youknow, quite, quite honestly, did

(27:05):
what they did and they had togo their separate ways and to do
their things.
I mean, obviously, nobodywanted to see what happened to
John, but they started and ended.
It's almost like the police.
They took it to a certain pointand that was the end of it.

It's interesting that you mentioned them because
lately I've been seeing andwatching a lot of Stuart
Copeland little reels on on, say, facebook, and they're always
interesting because he's aninteresting cat, you know, and
he always has a lot to say.
That was part of his problemwith Sting is he's mouthy.
He's very mouthy.

(27:48):
Right, he was the American inthe group, exactly exactly, and
he started the group and hisfather managed the group and his
brother did the finances forthe group, right.
His brother managed the group.
The brother managed the group.
Yeah, the father was hiscompany.
Didn't he back them orsomething like that he had?
he probably had something to dowith it, because he got
mentioned by sting, uh, duringsome award ceremonies, the

(28:11):
father and the brother.
But, um, so you hear stewartcopeland who back in the day, uh
, when the police broke up, hethey hated each other like he
would any chance he got.
He was digging sting like,throwing jabs at him, because
sting became like a biggerentity than he was with the

(28:32):
police in his solo work.
I don't think there's anydenying that he really went to
the next level and his stuff.
And so recently I watched theselittle interviews with him and
he's very complimentary and hegot it Like I think one of the
interviews he said I finally gotit that he's the guy's just a

(28:52):
genius, he's an asshole but he'sa genius Like and he would
laugh about it.
And so I think they had somesort of reconciliation and they,
they get older and they're likeyou know he was my lead singer,
right, and they would fightduring shows and you know sting
is that guy, he's that jamesbrown guy.
If there's something off, hehears it right, like he hears

(29:17):
that offbeat, like that drumbeat was wrong, right uh, but
part of it is exactly what wewere talking about with the
beatles.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Remember, and you just you just said it a couple
of seconds ago in the early,early days of the police, it was
stewart copeland's band.
But we, we all know from you,know the first, you know lines
of roxanne.
It was not stewart copeland'sband, it was never going to be
stew Copeland's band.
No, so that power struggle,that shift kind of happens and

(29:51):
the egos get in the way.
I'll tell you one band wherethat hadn't happened, and maybe
a lot of people don't know thisbut the principal songwriter and
the creative drive behind PearlJam was not Eddie Vedder back
in the early days, it wasn't, itwas Stone Gossard.

(30:12):
Right, it was Stone Gossard, hewas the principal songwriter,
he was the guy and I think ittook, after maybe the second
album, that Stone Gossett had tokind of take a very comfortable
back seat yeah, well, I thinkit's the same for the who.

the who was was pete townsend's band, right, and
most of the time it wasn't.
But I grew, grew up like when Istarted listening to them, when
I really caught on to them, Ialways thought it was Roger
Daltrey's band, right, becausethe lead singer usually takes
all the attention and usuallythey're the ones that you know

(30:56):
blah, blah, blah.
Until I didn't find out untillater that he, it wasn't Roger
Daltrey's band, it was alwaysPete Townsend's band, right, it
was never Roger Daltrey's band,it was always Pete Townsend's
band.
Yeah, it was never RogerDaltrey's band Never.
Pete Townsend is actually.
That covers something that Italked about last week, that
band members that are morepopular than the lead singer,

(31:17):
and I think that's a goodexample.
Pete Townsend, I think, wasmore popular than Roger Daltrey.
Sure, right, we can sayarguably.
We can say arguably.
Maybe some would say, well, no,because he's the face of it.
You know Daltrey and the longblonde hair and the curly hair
and you know Tommy, he was inthe move.
But I think that if you askedthe average who fan, they would

(31:42):
say Pete Townsend.
You know he still sang some ofthe songs.
He wrote mostly everythingright, did they do it?
Were they like, uh, uh, werethey like richards and jagger,
or was it pete townsend?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
and then a lot of it was no, no, no and that and
that's.
That's why it was one of theprimary reasons why they went on
tour in 1989.
Uh, because entwistle waspretty much out of money.
Yeah, because he didn't haveany of the.
He didn't have any of thepublishing yeah, again he was

(32:17):
out of money.
Again, he was out of money.

The boy liked cocaine yeah, and every time and
I heard that story I think petethompson said he said every
time, uh, john would run out ofmoney, he'd say we got to go on
tour again.
I need money and so they woulddo it like that was their
brotherhood.
We would do it, we'd go on tour, even if we didn't really want
to.
But when you get there, whenthat guy's your bass player,

(32:42):
absolute genius, right.
Probably one of the mostunderrated musicians I don't
know john entwistle he I don'tknow that he was underrated.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I think he's incredibly.

He's underrated when you're in the who he's?
Well, he's.
He's that, george harrison,maybe of I, I was.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I always loved the fact that that like was a bigger
character than john entwistleyeah, I, I always loved that.
You know the fact, the.
You know I think it was ptownsend that said something
along the lines, and I'mparaphrasing a little bit.
He was like there was alwaysheavy competition between me and
keith and then roger would getinto it, but roger would just

(33:24):
lose.
It was like, and john johnwasn't even in the game.
Yeah, you know because he'd be,you know, standing over there
and, by the way, you know, thewho is a prime example.
Like you and I've had multipleconversations about an artist or
a band having a creative arcand the who is is regarded as
like a legendary band.
Right beatles stones, the whois right up there.

(33:46):
Yeah, but what was the lastgreat who album?

Probably who Are you back in?
What was that 80?
What did you?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
call it.
So that was 78.
78.
77, 78.
Would you call that a greatalbum?

I love.
The Trick of the Light is stillone of my favorite who songs.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
There's some great stuff.
I mean to me to me.
I think who Are you is probablyan underrated album, yeah, yeah
, but I think it was definitely,at least for me, a step down
from the glory days of Tommy andwho's Next.
Sure, those were massive albums.

Those were rock operas, those were big
production albums they were.
You know, this was a straightrock album, like who by numbers.
What did you think of thatalbum?
No right, so it's part of theokay it's part of the arc that
you're saying so it's okay, butit's lesser than who are you, or
more than who are you I thinkwho are you is better.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, I think it's actually got some better songs
on it, right right, but I Ithink I think the last great who
album was quadrophenia in 73,really wow, I mean it's a great
album.

I'm not.
I love quadrophenia.
Yeah, out of my brain on the515 is great.
That was my favorite song.
Who sung for a long time?
For a long time?
Um, the movie was great.
Sting with sting bell boy Igotta get running down yeah,

(35:20):
yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Keep a lip button down.

Exactly.

Carry the bloody baggage out.

So then okay, so say they had three great albums.
What makes them iconic, then?
Is it their persona, their liveshows, the albums.
The music was good.
It's above average.
It was better than a lot of theother shit.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I just think some of that early stuff was so big and
so iconic that it, that itcarries them and they and they
are and they were, you know, atremendous, tremendous force, uh
, uh, from up, from a livestandpoint.
Even the last couple of times Isaw him, I have to tell you.
So you know, look, we get thesuper bowl coming up on sunday

(36:02):
yeah in the who know people kindof trash their performance.

I think I don't remember them playing.
What Super Bowl was that?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I think they kind of got screwed.
I don't think they were nearlyas bad as people make them out
to be.

Well, you get.
So that's a whole.
Nother conversation about thecrowd that watches a Super Bowl
halftime show, right?
Um, there's a lot of peoplethat hated the one.
What was it, I don't know.
Two years ago, when you hadjay-z and you had 50 cent, you
had oh see I thought, I thoughtthat was really good, right.
But so this is the thing everyevery halftime show gets panned

(36:40):
like no matter who it is likethere's people that dog, the u2
one, which is considered maybeone of the best, is like there's
people that dog, the u2 one,which is considered maybe one of
the best ones ever.
There's people that criticizethe prince halftime show, like
it just.
But so I I don't take thosecriticisms with for anything.
I don't, I don't, I don't payany attention to those because
are you?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
are you excited?
Are you excited at all to watchthe Kendrick Lamar halftime
show?

Not really.
I very rarely watch halftime.
I think maybe the last halftimeshow I did watch was Prince in
Miami.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
That long ago.

I don't really pay attention to halftime shows.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
You just said you watched the one with Jay-Z.
I watched.

It's on in the background right, it's on in my
TV over here, but I'm in thispart of the room, the kitchen,
it's a kitchen living room,whole big thing.
I'm not sitting in front of itwatching it.
I'm not, like you know, lookingat it and kind of taking it in.
Uh, for I don't really do thatwith halftime shows.

(37:51):
I, I just want to see the game.
I really just want to see thegame.
You know, uh, I hear it.
I might watch bits and piecesof it, but for the most part I
don't pay much attention to thembecause it's no matter what
it's going to be, it's going toget slammed.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
So, yeah, you're at europe you're, you're a big
football fan.
I just saw bill burr I think itwas an older clip where he's
complaining.
He was like I fucking hatesuper bowl parties.
He was like I, I hate him.
He was like you know, you're ina room full of people,
everybody talks through the game, yeah, and and through the
commercials everybody's like oh,shh, yeah, exactly, oh, that

(38:28):
was funny, that was funny.
That was funny.

And most people don't that are watching aren't
football fans?
They don't get what's going onLike they'll scream and they'll
talk and like.
So I know for.
So the Patriots first SuperBowl with Brady, when they won,
I had a party at my house and itwas a big party and it was all
these guys from work, lady girlsfrom work.
And then I had one again andthen I had one.

(38:52):
The last party I had was whenthey lost to the Giants.
I believe it was probably thesecond time they lost to the
Giants.
I was still living in Hollywoodand literally when the game was
over there was probably 20people there.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
I said everybody out and they were like they all
looked at me and I go everybodyout Done.

Party's over, like I'm not fucking hanging around
and listening to people fuckinghave a good time when I am
suffering over here and they'reall fucking eating my food.
I think I even said don't evenstop to get food, Just fucking
party's over.
That became legendary at work.
That was a story on Monday orTuesday.

(39:39):
When people showed up heliterally stopped everything and
said everybody out.
I kicked and I never hadanother fucking super bowl party
when the patriots played again.
I watched it alone, I watchedthem alone.
Now I got some people comingover sunday.
I got a couple couples and youknow, my son has a friend coming
over.

(39:59):
There will be about eight of us, eight or nine of us, you know,
and that's fine, that's cool,you know, but for the most part.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I mean, do you even care?
I mean, do you think it's goingto be much of a game?

Yeah, I think it's going to be a good game.
So the thing I have I'mthinking on this, there's a
couple things is all eyes are onthe refs.
Kansas City just has thatreputation of getting the
favorite calls and it happenedin the AFC championship game and
it's just going to be even morescrutinized.
So I'm interested in seeing howthat plays out.
Number two they beat the Eaglesa few years ago in the Super

(40:31):
Bowl and the Eagles are back now.
The Patriots beat the Eagles inthe first time they played in
the Super Bowl.
The second time the Eagles cameout they beat the Patriots.
So I'm interested to see ifPhiladelphia will rise to that
occasion again.
And I really do want to seePhiladelphia win the Super Bowl.
I'm not a big fan, but I have alot of friends from Philly,
from South Philly and so, and Ihave like two friends from

(40:54):
Kansas City and I don't reallywant to see.
You know I'm a Brady fan, right?
So as a New England fan, youdon't want to see Patrick
Mahomes win again.
That's now.
He's not considered anythinggreat Like he's not getting into
Tom Brady territory yet he's in.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, but they're already talking about it.

Yeah, and that's what they do.
They talk about it, so they canpretty much they have something
to talk about.
But, julie, no, gronk said itperfect In a recent interview.
He said all right, listen,everybody's talking about
Patrick Holmes and GOAT.
He's not in GOAT conversationyet.
Tom Brady is the GOAT.
Tom Brady won three out of fourSuper Bowls, took 12 or 13

(41:34):
years off and then did it again.
Won three out of four.
That's the GOAT.
When he does it 13 years later,12 years later, later, it does
three out of four again, that'sthe goat.
But everybody's going to wantto put the.
You know, oh, my homes wentthree in a row, that's great.
Win three in a row, I, I, youknow.

(41:55):
Good for you, that's great.
But you're not tom brady buddy.
Now, I'm not taking anythingaway from patrick holmes, am not
?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
a Patrick Holmes hater?
No, he's an incredible athlete,good dude.

Stays out of trouble, keeps his mouth shut.
Good dude Doesn't get all, likeyou know, he's a good kid from
a good family and good for him.
I enjoy watching him play, butthat's my Super Bowl talk.
As far as the show, again, Idon't care about the halftime
show.
Yeah, so you told me recentlythat you're going to, since you

(42:29):
took offense to me calling youan EDM poser.
You took offense to that.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
I did take offense to it.

What's the news you got for us, Jack?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
You know it's not really news, it's just.
You know, like you accused theway it's, it's, it's not really
news, it's just.
You know, like, you accused meof not having an appreciation
for electronic dance music andyou know, you challenged me on
it and I mentioned the banddirty vegas and you're like, oh
my god, dirty vegas, would youknow, could you go back any
fucking further?
Then you know, dirty vegas,they haven't been around in you

(43:02):
know 20 years.
Don't tell me you're anelectronic dance fan, so why
don't you say Mozart?

And I don't think Dirty Vegas was EDM, I think
they were more likeindustrial-type sound music.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, I think that's a pretty narrow line, like that
Nine Inch.

Nails-type sound.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
In any event, since that conversation, and because I
had actually looked up DirtyVegas on Spotify, I got trapped
into the algorithm.
Yes, and I've been listening toa ton of electronic dance music
Every time I go to the gym.
It's EDM, where I'm kind oflike bouncing around, I love it,
right.

(43:40):
So much so.
And I don't know if you're afan or if you even know this
band or not, but I actuallygrabbed tickets for deb and I to
go see rufus de soul at thexfinity center in mansfield,
which is, I'm thrilled for themin some regard, uh, but you know
, I don't know how many peoplethe xfinity center holds, but

(44:04):
it's pretty much sold out.

Edm shows they're fun to be at.
The light shows, the wholething.
Big productions, Bigproductions.
But I played this song lastweek.
The group is called Boy Deluxe.
They're from LA.
This beats sick.

Listen, they're from LA.
This beats sick.
Listen, it's my shit.
I don't care if they stare.
I'm in it.
Move my hips.

Bite my lip, close my eyes.
Won't deny I love it.
Yeah, and the song is calledSanctuary.
And there's some good EDM righthere.
Yeah, it's a duo from la.

(45:05):
She's a pretty little thing,this one take me to the dance
floor, baby yeah, do you likethis?

I do like that, yeah.

I'm telling you people they sleep on this shit.
I love this shit, man.
I love it as well.
I get my synth fix.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
By the way, the Xfinity Center, which used to be
the Great Woods Center for thePerforming Arts.
So it's outdoors.
Originally it started it was a12,000 seat venue Right, and now
it expanded it's 19,900.
So 20,000 people.
Wow, that's not bad.
You want to hear somethingabsolutely disgusting.

(46:00):
Is that outdoors?

Is it an amphitheater?
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's got aroof over the seats and all that
, but it's like yeah, like thelawn is okay, you know there's,
there's no cover over it oranything like that.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, but here's, here's one of the things that's
disgusting and it's just we'vetalked about this and it's kind
of like sign of the times orwhatever.
So I bought two tickets.
They're not even sittingtogether.
I'm gonna have to ask people tomove.
So Deb and I did that.

We're Rob zombie.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah.
I had the same thing but Ithought I actually thought that
I got a bargain because theywere only $185 a piece.
Yeah, but here's, here's thething.
If you think that's bad and you, you can look this up on ticket
master right now.
I was like, ah, you know what?
One of the reasons why I hategoing to the xfinity center is
that it's a nightmare to get outof there.

(46:48):
The traffic is horrendous.

I remember that I do so I was like, I was like you
know what, maybe we'll pay forthe, the premier parking right.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
You know, I'll pay the 50 bucks or 60 bucks or
whatever it is, here we go, sohere here is.
Here is your choices in termsof special parking at the
Xfinity Center and I'm notkidding, you can look this up so
you can park in one of the moreVIP-ish lots.
It's $99 to park, it's $100 topark, but that's not it.

(47:22):
Then there's another levelwhere it's 250 to park, 250
dollars to park your car, butthat's not even the end.

But wait, there's more wait, there's more.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
They actually have what they call the rock star
parking lot.
Oh, it is a thousand dollars ohmy god, it is a thousand
dollars.
Oh, my god, it is a thousanddollars.
To park your car, what, afterspending, you know, four hundred
dollars, just for the tickets.
Yeah, that it's just.

(47:57):
It's just out of control, likethat how do?

how do people not complain?
File a fucking complaint aboutthat.
That's price cut.
You don't hear here.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I thought about it like deb and I were talking
about, and she was like who'sgonna pay a thousand dollars to
to park?
I was like nobody.
But here's the psychologybehind it when you look at that
thousand dollars now, all of asudden 99 doesn't seem so bad.
You're right, just just like mewith uh hey, 185 dollars for a
ticket, wow, what a bargain.

Yeah, it's insane I go to the amphitheater up in
west palm beach.
I don't know what then they.
They change names like that,like tanglewood or whatever it
is, changes names.
Um, by the way, it'll always bethe w way, it'll always be the
Wang Center, it'll always beTanglewood to me, all those.
And they've gone through sevenor 17 different name changes
over the last.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I can go further than that.
So, by the way, the Wang Centeris not the Wang Center, it's
the Bach.

Center.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
But it's always going to be theWang Center to me.
But even for me it's not eventhe wang center.
It was the musical.
The musical.
That's right.
That's right, yeah yeah, themusical.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You're right.
Yep, strangely enough, themusical.
My mother and father saw, thewho at the musical.

Ah look at that right and we saw them.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
My dad, my dad used to tell me they literally, so
you know, you talk about thegroup dynamics, that literally
Roger Daltrey and I think PeteTownsend got in a fistfight on
stage.

Probably yeah.
And back then concert goerswere mellow, yeah, they'd go to
literally just watch the show.
It wasn't this rowdy.
I think our generation were theones that turned concerts into
festival like indoor festivals.
I remember going to the garden,right, and so say Quarter Flash

(49:50):
opens for Bob Seger, right,okay, quarter Flash is done.
Lights come up, right, bullcrew comes out, stagehands are
stopped, start putting takingdown and putting up, and in that
time it was a fucking frisbeefestival.
There was beach balls goingeverywhere.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
There was fucking pot smoke everywhere there was
always a big cloud hanging inthe middle of the arena.

There was always that one dude and I know this
happened.
If we went to, I'll justroughly say, uh, out of 30
concerts at the garden right inour prime, say that right out of
those 30, 25 of those times,there was that one motherfucker

(50:39):
that had the m80 that wouldfucking on the floor and light
it off and the whole played thisgiant explosion, the puff of
smoke, and nobody flinched yeah,like nobody fucking flinched.
People applauded.
Right now, fast forward.

(50:59):
Imagine if that happened in ashow today.
That's a terrorist act.
It's literally a fuckingdomestic terrorist act.
If you light off an m80 insidea concert it's why I would
imagine a mass panic, right?

(51:19):
Well, that's exactly right,because this generation is a
bunch of pussies, right?
So they're all going to run andscream and they're going to get
mass hysteria and it's going tobe a stampede and it's not
going to be good, right?
Because everyone's afraid.
Back then we didn't give a fuck.
It was like okay, m-80 dude ishere.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Did you see Bad Company at the Garden?

I did.
That was my actually BadCompany rock and roll fantasy
tour.
I believe that was my veryfirst concert, I don't know.
It was like 14, 15.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Were we both 14?
.
Do you remember all of thefireworks at that show?
Oh, I do, I do.
It was constant.

It was crazy, yeah , it was absolutely constant.
That's right Now that youmention it.
I do remember that.
So what we did is we went up tothe press box the old guy we
used to hang the overhang whereall the reporters would be.
Yeah, my brother, colin fuckingled this charge.
We went down into those and weliterally kicked like 15 people

(52:24):
out of their seats and we tookit.
We took it.
And got away with it.
And got away with it Like no,ushers didn't want anything to
do with that.
Back then, like they're likenah, you don't pay me enough.
No, there's 15 of them, youknow what I mean.

(52:45):
So, yeah, that was uh that,that those were the days, man,
those were the days by the, bythe.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
By the way, just because you said it, I don't I
don't know if quarter flashopened for bob seger or not.

I think I'm.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I'm wondering if you got your shows mixed up, because
Quarter Flash opened for EltonJohn when you and I saw Elton
John.

Then that's what it was, then, okay, all right.
Well, you're right.
For some reason, I thought itwas Bob Seger.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Me and I don't even remember who I went with, but it
was me and whoever I was withand you and gene catazon
balancing, four of us balancingon two seats yeah, in the 10th
row.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ididn't even like you back then,
I was like jesus freaking christI was.

I wasn't in a quiet taste.
I gotta balance this asshole.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I, I gotta, I gotta hold on to his shoulders while
Elton John is belting out yoursong.

I was in a quiet taste back in those days.
That's what Dan was saying.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
What do you mean back in those days?

I'm a better person when I'm 61, jack, than
when I was, when I was 16.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I just remember you and Gene Catazon walking up.
I was like oh fuck.

I was his bodyguard there.
It is Perry Dedivich, the AI.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I saw Bad.

Company in 79.
Yep.
It was Mick Relf's 35thbirthday at the Garden Madison
Square Garden.
Nice Good show.
That was a great tour man theywere a good band.
I think that was the rock androll fantasy tour that summer I
saw bad company.
I saw kiss.
I believe I saw the eagles, uh,later on, like that fall that

(54:31):
year.
Um, at the garden, it just thatwas like those fucking concerts
were non-stop dude.
Oh yeah, like we just saw thebest of the best.
Yeah, yeah, 81,.
We saw the who, right, we sawthe who, elton John, we saw what
year was that?
82, 83?
That was 82.
82, right.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
It was 82.

We just never saw the Stones or Led Zeppelin
Stones weren't around.
No, they had done.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Zeppelin obviously wasn't around floyd, floyd
wasn't around right right, um,we just got.

We just got the fucking best concerts back then,
man yeah, they sort of you know.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Look, we've talked about this before, but you know,
I don't even know if queen wassold out when they played.
The last time that they playedthe garden was at 82.
I don't even know if it wassold out.
I don't know.
What are you doing?
Are you making phone calls?
Wait?

a minute.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
You get a part-time job.

Telemarketer.
I get it, I'm a telemarketer.
Yeah, I don't know why thisisn't working.
It's supposed to work.
Let me check something.
Hold on, I know, right, I knowI'll just disconnect it.
Well, alright, so I'm justgoing to tell you, I'm telling
you right now, I'm going to tellyou right now, this person,

(55:59):
this person really wanted to,really wanted to talk to you,
jack, yeah, they, they, theywanted to talk to you and uh,
well, I'm trying, I'm trying tomake it happen.
Now, they don't want to talk toyou.
All right, all right, so muchfor that Get off.

(56:19):
So, yeah, the, the, the back.
Then it was just like we got tosee everything.
So much for that get off.
So, yeah, back then it was justlike we got to see everything.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
we get to see everything now you have some of
these bands that are touringwith no original members, by the
way, just for shits and giggles.
Here's a trivia question foryou members that have been part
of these bands, either past orpresent who's had more members
in their band, the band yes orthe band Chicago?

I'd have to say Chicago you're right, so get
this.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I'd have to say Chicago.
You're right, so get this.
There have been more than 20members of the band.
Yes, since they they started,there have been more than 47
members of Chicago.

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
And I would venture to guess that Chicago will still
be touring long after you and Iare gone.

If Terry Kath lived, where would he have
ranked as far as uh uh leadsingers?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
He he was a great singer, but he was a fantastic
guitar player, yeah.

Yeah, as the story goes, Jimi Hendrix told uh, one
of the horn players, yourguitar player is better than me.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Oh, he was amazing.

He was amazing, but his voice his voice was
insane, it was insanely good, itwas strong, clear.
I mean, it was a rock and rollvoice.
So it's funny we're talkingabout Chicago, because today I
saw a video for the Ides ofmarch.
Right, I'm a bit I'm a sexystranger in a black sedan and

(58:08):
won't you jump inside my car,right, if that like in the horn
section and so that's like a biglike chicago kind of rip off,
and then you have blood, sweatand Tears, right, who had their
own thing.
but like that horn section, thatvoice it was almost like they
were like the record companieswere like we want another

(58:29):
Chicago of course and they alldid a great job.
Iza March, of course, didn'treally have more than that hit,
but Blood, sweat and Tears.
I don't know if you've everlistened to their um, wait a
minute, somebody's hello scottmclean and that guy named jack

(58:56):
yeah, what do you have to say tojack?

so, if jack, if you can hear me and I don't know
if you can or not- I can, I canhear you dude, we miss you.
Oh jesus, me being me and theother listeners of the show,
which the other three listenersof the show and so we
collectively came together anddecided that we miss you.

(59:20):
The witty banter that takesplace between you and I'm a
lifelong of friendship, and soyou need to make it a special
point to get on the show moreoften, cause you are
disappointing to all three ofyour fans.

Oh, he's a disappointment, okay, he's a dis
.
You said it right there he's afucking disappointment, that's
for damn sure.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I would love to be on the show.
And here's the other thing,Jack.

He can hear you Todd by the way I can hear you.

Here's the other thing, jack.
Well, the problem is that inNorthern California, we have
like 60-mile-an-hour winds andheavy downpour, and so I don't
even know if I can hear myselfright now driving in my car and
I love it, by the way.
I love this weather, it's great.
But, jack, here's the deal.

(01:00:08):
Jack, if you don't show up,this guy calls me and asks me to
fill in for you.
And here's the deal.
I can't fit in your shoes, Idon't have the knowledge.
You are so knowledgeable aboutmusic and I just go ba-da, ba-da
, ba-da.
That's all I get, and the badpart is that Scott takes none of

(01:00:30):
my recommendations about whatgood music is.
So you know please.
Hey, this is it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
First off, I appreciate the kind words.
I don't much as you can jack,this is.
This is well.
First off, I, I, I appreciatethe kind words.
I don't know if you can hear meor not, but I do appreciate the
kind words.
I, I.
You know what?
As far as me being on the showmore often, I'll say it right to
scott in the words of my rockand roll hero, chuck berry pay
me my money.

Scott McLean (01:01:00):
Oh Jesus he paid me.

Jack Calabrese (01:01:04):
Jack, I don't know what's going on with you.
I got paid checks in the mail,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
He's been screwing me for years.
The early days of this podcast.
I don't know what he did withit All that hot sauce money days
of this podcast.
I don't know what he did withit all that hot sauce money that
you know.
Instead of paying me, he wasbuying life-size Spiderman and
Iron man statues.

(01:01:29):
You know he was just taking themoney and blowing it.
You too.

Well, I was on two weeks in a row and with the
combined total of all the moneyI got paid, I have enough to
almost buy a pack of Hubba Bubbabubble gum.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Oh my God, I miss Hubba Bubba.

This motherfucker Jack.
This guy pays me, he pays me toput him on the show, and then
he flips it on me.
He sponsors the show, likesilently.
He's like you got to put me onthe show, though, and so I do.
And he's like, oh look, scottcalls me, and then I, he wants
me on the show now.

No, it's it's hey, hey.
I got one thing, though, jack.
I think I lasted longer thanany episode you've ever been on.
I was on for an hour and oneminute, so why?
Why?
Anybody want?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
to listen to this shit for more than 30 minutes.

Why would anybody want to listen to?

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
this shit more than a half hour, because it's quality
shit right here.

Emphasis on the shit part.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
No, no, this is great .
I love it.
I wish I were on, you know.
Hopefully I get to the pointwhere Scott is and I get to
retire and put on my black socksand my flip-flops and wait for
Thursday evening to come around.
That's right.
Unfortunately, I'm still aworking slob.

Hey, jack, how's your painting?
My painting's going well, whyyeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Just asking, just asking your painting, my, my
painting's going well.
Why, yeah, not just just asking?
Just ask, there's one.

There's one behind me.
I don't know if you can see itor not.
Oh, that, that's a painting.
Yeah, oh, oh.
Okay, I thought it was a holein the wall jack.

I tried to educate scott a little on
country music and he blew me off.

Well, don't talk to Jack about country music.

Well, wait a minute, that depends.

Hey, I'm going to say this.
I'm going to say this.
I'm sorry, jack, let meinterrupt you.
I did watch yesterday theShania Twain documentary on
Netflix.
It's really fucking good.
God bless her, no it really wasGod bless her man.

That's a big step for you, Scott.
Nice job.
Big step for you, Scott.

Did you know she's the only artist to ever have
three Diamond albums in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Almost like Carly Simon.

So Carly Simon's in the Rock Hall of Fame, but
Shania Twain isn't.
I don't know.

I saw her live in Colorado in 1994.
She opened up for George Straitand she was phenomenal.
George Strait was amazing.
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Jack, I'm sure, look you know, look you know, trying
to educate Scott on countrymusic is all fine and well and
you know, it's just one of thosethings where music is personal.
It either touches your heartand soul or it doesn't.
I really have an affection forold, like people like I don't
like that old twangy country.
To me that's country.

Like, I don't like that old, twangy country.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
To me, that's country .
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, you know thisoverproduced lip-synchy,
auto-tuned bullshit that theycall country music right now.

Not my thing.
All the glitter and the bigstage shows and the whole thing
Nah.
And.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I get it.
George Strait is an incrediblytalented artist.
Shania Twain is an incrediblytalented artist.
Shania Twain is an incrediblytalented artist.
But I think especially and it'snot even just country, but even
pop music today is suchoverproduced, commercialized,
computerized horseshit.
Yeah.

Rock and roll, like all my favorite types of
music disco, edm, rap thattouches my heart.
Country music is like toiletpaper it can touch my ass.

That's a good one.
If they were singing countrymusic in French, scott, would
you listen to it?
No, like that weird thing thatyou play.

Bossa Nova is not French, it's Portuguese.
Thank you, okay.

It was something you were talking over, the
whole thing oh, the EDM music.

Yeah, yeah, hey, listen, that's better than
fucking country music.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I'll tell you that I would gladly listen to it.
But, by the way, quick, cutekind of story, like I was just
saying that we're going to thisEDM show like our first like
real EDM show, and I was like,hey, deb, we're going to this
EDM show like our first likereal EDM show and I was like,
hey, deb, we'll get some ecstasy.
I was totally kidding, right,but she was looking at me and I

(01:06:10):
was like I can see what you'rethinking.
I can see what you're thinking.
She was like what, what am Ithinking?
I was like you would say I'lltake half.
And she said you know whatYou're right.

Yeah, not a good move when you're almost 60.
You're going to be 60?
No, no, 60.
Who you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
When's your birthday coming up?
My birthday is in 20,.
23 days I'll be 60.
Wow, what are you doing forthat?

Deb and I are going to Costa Rica Nice.
Listen to some bossa nova inCosta.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Rica.
We're going to listen to somebossa nova, yeah.

Todd, how old are you?
57.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
57.
Ah, you're a kid.
No wonder you listen to countrymusic.
You're're a kid.
No wonder you listened.
No wonder you listen to countrymusic.
You're just a kid, you don'tknow any better.
All right, big head, it's partof my generation here, we go.

He's still see.
He wants he.
He complains, but he wants tostay on.
All right, big head, todd thewet sprocket, thanks for coming
on.
I'm cutting this short.
I'm gonna send home.
He's got to get up early.
It's been over an hour.
I already know he's in overtimewith me, right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
now.
We haven't even gotten to anyof our topics.

I know We'll get to it next week.
Patty's been waiting for themost underrated singers for
three weeks now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Patty says she loves the show.
Of course I can hang a littlebit.
We can talk a little bit aboutunderrated singers, if you want.
All right, we can start.

We can start In the meantime.

Todd wouldn't know anything about that so
we're going to let you go, buddy.
Hey, make sure you tell Jackabout that underrated singer for
I Set Up.
My Cat's Tail.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Oh.

Jesus, goodbye.
That's Scott.

Goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Was that the comedy stylings of Todd?
That was the best he came upwith A big head Todd to Ed
Sprague yeah.
Yeah.

Exactly.
That's the best you're going toget from him.
He's as funny as a doorknob.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
It's all about the love and making the effort,
brother right.

So, um, underrated singers, right.
Um, let me move this over here.
Let me get this going.
I know it's over here somewhere, there we go, so I have that.
I have that list, right, if I?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
did I get rid of that .

No, it's over here and I think I mentioned him
earlier.
I think I mentioned one earlier,um, terry kath.
Yeah, terry, maybe he justdidn't live long enough.
Peter satara gets all thecredit for being the singer
right of chicago.
He gets all that because he hadlongevity, but in the end, if

(01:09:04):
he didn't die, that band wouldnever have really gone in that
direction.
No, you know.
No, although it was their moneymaker though it was their
fucking it was probablyfinancially the best thing they
ever did you know that whole,that whole terry kath story is
just.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
It's crazy, hot, heartbreaking and stupid.
Yeah, yeah, as stupid as Iremember.
Do you remember when ithappened?

I remember when it happened I do remember when it
happened.
I don't remember much about it,but I do remember when they
announced it on the radio thathe was dead yeah, I remember, I
remember seeing it in the bostonglobe really, oh yeah
interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Yeah, yeah, yep yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep all right
, give me an underrated singerso, uh, I'll tell you where I
would start, and he's a hero ofmine and we've talked about it a
lot, but I think he does notget the credit that he deserves
as a singer.
Is p townshend not, you know,not the least not the lead

(01:10:05):
singer of the band?
yeah but you know the stuff thathe sings on I I love his voice.
There's a sincerity in hisvoice.
You know he's he doesn't havethe vocal range that you know
roger daltrey does, but I lovePete Townshend not only as a
guitar player.

A good example of his singing.
Which song is a good example ofhis singing?
Slit Skirts.
Yeah.
That's a perfect example of therange that he goes from I was
just 34 years old and I wasstill wandering in a haze right
To Slit Skirt, slit slit skirt,jenny, and he goes real, big,

(01:10:44):
like he goes real.
And so he shows all his rangein that song and which is part
of the the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
You know the appeal of that song, right technically
he's not a great singer, butthere's something unique about
his voice that that I really,even in some of the who songs,
um, eminence front, yeah, yeah,absolutely, you know, there's,
there's just, there's justsomething about Pete Townsend.

(01:11:11):
Not the greatest guitar playerin the world, but there's
something unique about the waythat he plays guitar and
something about the way that hesings just touches my soul.
So that's that's my firstchoice is pete townsend.
All right, I'm going with topthat motherfucker.

Oh, I will and I'm going to, and you'll agree with
me.
Um, this band is more known tobe a big big guitar band, a big
big sound band, and the leadsinger never, ever got any
credit for the great fuckingvoice that he has, and his name
is Klaus Mayne.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
From the Scorpions.
Scorpions, yeah, very uniquevoice, that big fucking big
voice, not only big voice.

In another, the song there's nobody Like you
again shows his range.
He goes from being a realsinger to the big screamer and
the big heavy voice, but nevergets any credit.
It's because the band is so bigand the songs are so powerful
and they're like almost anthems,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
But his voice is pure what did you say?
His name was?

Klaus Mein.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Klaus Mein yeah you know it's funny.
You know it's funny, I mean hedoes.
He has like a big, powerfulvoice.
Do you know how tall he is?

according to the videos, he's like 5 videos.
He's like 5'6".

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
He's not 5'6", he's 5'4" Wow.

Wow, that's three inches bigger than I'm only 5'1"
.
I got a pain in my neck.
Is Iggy Pop a good singer?

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
He's not technically a good singer, but it's good for
what he does.
He's good.
He's good for what he does.
But, by the way, talk aboutanother and this isn't one of my
, my choices, but you know,ronnie James Dio good big, very
powerful voice.
Again 5'4" yeah.

Dave Phillips, king of the 45s.
I mentioned Terry Kath earlier.
Yeah for a big voice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Yeah, another little guy with a big voice.

All right, another little guy with a big voice,
eric Burden.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Little dude big voice.
Little man, big man, littlecoat.
Little man, big voice.
Give me another voice,underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
So this is a controversial one and we talk
about them more than we shouldtalk about them.
But I have to say, you know,the first person that I thought
about when you kind of threwthis out was david lee roth.
You know, big, hugelysuccessful, but he was always
been criticized for his vocallimitations by so much, so much,

(01:14:13):
so much so that they almostfired him in the early days of
van halen, yeah, but, but thatband never would have been what
they were without his vocals sois that I wouldn't rate him as
underrated.

Then I think he, he, he made his his vote.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
His vocal, his vocal abilities.
I think he is underrated forwhat he brings to that band and
I think, and I told go ahead.
I told you it would be a littlebit controversial.

Dave Phillips King of the 45, says Paul Rodgers.
Paul Rodgers isn't underrated.

He is not an underrated singer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
We're talking about underrated lead singers, and
nobody has ever Paul Rodgers.
Hey, why don't we say FrankSinatra was an underrated?

singer yeah, yeah.
What was I just saying?
I lost my train of thought.
What were you just talkingabout?
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Well, I was talking about David Lee Roth.

Oh, so a great example of his style changing is
between Van Halen 1 and VanHalen 2.
I think his voice got better onVan Halen 2.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
They made him take vocal lessons.

Yeah, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
They made him take vocal lessons, beautiful girls,
right?

I think that's a good example of his range right
yeah, range right um yeah uh.
How about is brad delpunderrated?

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
no boston no no okay, I'm just, I'm just, that's just
throwing it out there I mean heis is as much of like, uh, tom
schultz's guitar sound and theclean sound.
And God remember, they gotlambasted because they used
computers for their first album.
So much so that on their secondalbum it said on the back of

(01:16:12):
the album no computers were used.
But Brad Delp was such a strongsinger and such a unique singer
but did he get credit, Like didhe get the recognition?

Or did Boston as a band get the recognition, Like
no one else said oh, brad Delpis a standout singer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
No, I think they fell into that latter 70s corporate
arena rock genre, right.
So, uh, you know boston,foreigner sticks, you know ario
speedwagon, you know all ofthose bands, even journey back
in the day.
Those bands were technicallyreally proficient, they knew

(01:16:56):
what they were doing.
But you know, if you went up tothe average person today and
said, hey, you familiar with theband boston, you may get some
people that say, yeah, Iremember them.
If you could actually have them.

Name anybody in the band exactly it would be a
surprise to me exactly.
So that's what I mean is braddelp and under we we he's great,
so we can't look at it from ourperspective of what we know
right, but on average is BradDelp an underrated singer like

(01:17:31):
he never mentioned, like as hementioned in any conversations I
I I think it would be safe tosay he was a better lead singer
than a lot of fucking bands inthat time and now it was it the
longevity thing?
Was it because boston did onealbum, then two album, that took
fucking x amount of years to dothe third album and he just
never really caught that fire of, wow, that's a great lead

(01:17:54):
singer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Well there's, you know there's therein lies like
the separation of.
You had the Beatles and thestones and and the who and Led
Zeppelin and queen, whereeverybody knew the members of
the band.
They had a uh, they had a uh,uh, uh a persona about them.
They had a history about them.
They were compelling.

(01:18:15):
You know they werepersonalities.
They got arrested.
There was, you know, there wasAltamont, there was Woodstock,
there was all that stuff.
But then when you get into likeForeigner and Styx and you know
Boston, like there's no storybehind those bands.
You know it was more corporaterock.
And I think one of the thingsthat adversely affects a guy

(01:18:36):
like brad delph is that he'skind of in that category where
people just they don't know thepersonalities behind the band.
Look, that that's why.
That's why people today arehappy to go to vegas and see
farna.
They don't give a shit who's inthe band, they just want to
hear the songs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, good point.
Of course it's a good point.
Who do you got?
Give me a name, jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
How about Jim Kerr?

Jim Kerr.
Jim Kerr From Simple Minds,simple Minds.
Uh, jim kerr.
Jim kerr from simple minds,simple minds.
I, I don't know if he'sunderrated.
I, I and I'm not gonna like.
This is your, but I don't.
I don't think jim kerr is anunderrated.
I think people know that he's areally good singer again, I
think he's, I think he's he wasthe.

(01:19:33):
The.
The thing of simple mind stillis right yeah I think videos
help that, whereas boston didn'thave any videos, but I I think
if anybody was talking about 80ssingers, simple mind is going
to come up.
Simple minds is going to comeup right, I just I think.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I think he's a better singer than people give him
credit for so I think that'swhat we're kind of talking about
here.

You know what I mean.
I think that that's kind of inthe category of where we are.
Uh, let me see paul diciana.
That's my buddy right there,pablo, what's up?
Buddy from vegas speaking ofdirty vegas, he is fucking dirty
ve, or he's dirty in Vegas.
I'll just tell you that.
He says still sings well tothis day, unlike many artists.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Yeah.

Jim Kerr.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
They're going on tour this year.

Dave Phillips, King of the 45s, could not
fucking help himself and give afucking Rob Thomas fucking shout
out.
No, Dave Phillips King of the45s.
No, Rob Thomas is not anunderrated great singer because
he's not even in the category ofgreat lead singer.
So that's all there is to that.
Don't argue with me, it's myshow.
I wish I could block some ofthese people sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Come on, give me another one brother.

Oh, I got a good one.
What do you think of?
Let's talk about this one withstick stays.
Let's stay in our city.
Benjamin or ben or never reallygot credit for being the kind
of thing like those kind of likelike christine mcvee, always
overshadowed by stevie nicks buthad some of the best fleetwood
mac songs in their whole catalog.

(01:21:12):
Benjamin or had some of thebest Fleetwood Mac songs in
their whole catalog.
Benjamin Orr had some of thebest Cars songs in their entire
catalog.
He did, but never got that like,because his voice is strong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
But that's it.
You know what the Cars actuallykind of fall into that Boston
foreigner category, right.
I don't think so I think so.

I think so.
I think Rico Kasich had.
He was they, they had like apersonality.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
They were boring.
No, you're saying that.
You're saying that because?
No, you're saying that becausewe were from Boston and we knew
that band.
But if you went to Wichita,kansas, and you asked anybody
name two people in the band theCars, you're not getting any
answers.
No way.
So does that make the money?
By the way, the other thing isthat if you weren't an avid fan

(01:22:06):
of the Cars like we were, thereare people out there that think
that the Cars only had onesinger.

Oh, that goes for more than a couple of bands.
Yeah, I think a lot of peoplethink Depeche Mode only had one
singer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Yeah, but whether you put on Bye, bye, love or Drive
or Magic, I guarantee you thatthere are people out there that
think, oh yeah, it's the samesinger.

That's a very good point.
That's a very good point, and Ithink that's probably one of
the not this one.
So let me see this song righthere.
This is one of my favorite Carssongs ever and it's an
underrated song.

(01:22:57):
Right, it is an underrated song.
It's the last song on the firstalbum of a fucking great epic
album and it's the least played.
It's the least played song, Ithink, in this whole album.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Is the Cars first album, a flawless album.

Yes.
Yes, it is.
It's absolutely a perfect album, would you agree?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
So I would agree, um, so I, I, I would agree, um, but
I, I will tell you, for years,I, I actually thought that it
was 99.9% a great album.
And there was this.
So you know, you have goodtimes, roll my best friend's
girl, just what needed.

(01:23:51):
I'm in touch with your world.
Don't just stop.
You're all I've got tonight.
Bye, bye, love, moving instereo and all mixed up.
There was one song for yearsthat irritated the shit out of
me, don't?

just stop, hated that song so every, every
perfect album has has to have abest and a worst song, but in
the big picture of the albumit's listenable.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
It's.

It's listenable and and I've grown to like it a
lot because deb loves that songit is so the way this album and
each track was put together,like how they lined them up it.
It's a rollercoaster ride.
Right, yeah, I'm in touch withyour world is in front of this

(01:24:41):
and you're.
All I've got tonight is on theother side of it.
This is an absolutelylistenable song.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
It's more than a listenable song.
Trust me when I tell you Foryears and years, it was me and
it's in in the.
It's still you, jack, it's the,the, the verses, the verses are
fine.
I never liked the chorus.
I thought they copped out.

So yeah, it is, it is kind of a cheap chorus, yeah
, but again, in the big picture,that would be the second or
third best song on any of theirother albums, I agree, other
than Candio.
Other than Candio, becauseCandio is to me a perfect album
also.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Candio's a great album and you know that's my
favorite.

I always liked the second album.
You know that I'm always a fanof the second album.
Even Panorama was a reallystrong record yes, but Don't you
Stop would be the third bestsong on Panorama yeah, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
It's all relative right.
Don't you Stop is fine, butwhen you put it next to Bye, bye
, love, it's just oh, you're AllI've Got.

Tonight follows it , so you don't really pay much
attention once it's over.
There's no lingering effect ofit, because it goes right into
you're all I've got tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Even when I had the car's first album on cd, I would
always blow by that fuckingsong like can't do it so I don't
, you, don't you stop.
I'm stopping right now.
No, I won't stop.

I'm going right by you.
I'm not fucking, I'm goingright to you're going right to
jail.

Don't pass, go that's right brother, no, no, no
no.

But I knew when you were saying that.
I was like it's going to beDon't you Stop, Because it is
the worst song in the album.
But again, in the big pictureit's the third best song on
everything after candy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Oh, and it was, and you know what?

it was always great when they did it live well
, yeah, considering they werefucking as boring as a fucking I
don't know a plain slice ofpizza, you know they were not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
They were not a, they played well.
But you know, and this goesback to Stones, roger Daltrey,
they were a huge presence andwhen the cars got up there, I
mean you could have putcardboard cutouts up there and
it wouldn't have been muchdifferent.

Nope, they just kind of stood there Kind of just
played their instruments.
Yeah, played their instruments,sang the songs, not a lot.
From what I remember, I sawthem.
They played two nights inBoston.
I forget what year that was, itwas 81, maybe 81.
They played two nights in a rowin Boston.
The second night was when I sawthem and they didn't play Let

(01:27:29):
the Good Times Roll, but theyplayed all their other songs and
I think the sets were kind ofmixed up, a little like they
kind of pepped two nights in arow.
They play the exact same set twonights in a row for the people
that would go both nights right,that's kind of how they do it,
right?
Yeah, um, but definitely notthe most exciting band to see

(01:27:53):
live.
There's no standout moment thatI can have from that show other
than just enjoying the show.
Yeah, they were, they were,they were great, they were, they
were fine.
Guy didn't show up that night,m80 guy just didn't he wasn't it
was great, I mean you know likeespecially us from boston, we
would go see the cars, and notonly 15 minutes away, right 15

(01:28:16):
minutes away.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Not only know every song they played, but almost
every word.
But yeah, there was never.
There was never a time where Iwas like, oh my God, they just
blew my mind Right?
Hey, let me ask you, theydidn't.
They didn't jam, they didn'tdeviate from the way the song
sounded on the record.

No, no, jam.
They didn't deviate from theway the song sounded on the
record.
No, no, let me ask you aquestion uh, better, better lead
singer, uh for starship, martybalin or mickey thomas?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
mickey thomas think so for me.

Oh, mickey thomas had a better voice I gotta say
marty ballin had the bestfucking voice.
No, he had a great voice.
He had a great voice.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I got to say Marty Ballin had the best fucking
voice.

If only you believe, and I mean that, dude,
and I'm not knocking MickeyThomas, trust me, I like Mickey
Thomas.
He had a big voice, jane, andhe was the 80s guy right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
He was the 80s guy.
But even Mickey Thomas, hisbest song was not with jefferson
starship, it was with elvinbishop.
Uh, fooled around and fell inlove, fooled around and fell in
love, yeah yeah, that one of theclassic vocal performances of
all time greatest one hit.

One is all right.
Elvin bishop wasn't a one hit,one of it, one.
It's the hit what is this?

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
what is this guy?
D Dave Phillips saying Cars hadmultiple lead singers?
Isn't that what we just fuckingtalked about?

I think he's on it like a three minute delay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Dave, call your internet service.
You're behind, brother, I'mgoing to go watch milk.
Hold on a minute.

Hey, did you guys know that cars had multiple
singers?

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
No, no, no, Scott, they had more than one.
Jesus Christ.
He says one of the cars gotknocked out by no, I think he's
talking about marty ballon?

yeah, they did, they clocked him.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Oh, he's fucking ran his mouth to the wrong people
remember paul paul kent paulkantner, you know, got on the
microphone.
He was like hey, everybody justwant to, just want to thank the
hells angels.
They just, uh, they justknocked out our lead singer and
the other Hells Angel gets onthe other mic and he goes hey
man, let me tell you where it'sat.
Let me tell you where it's at.

If there was ever a concert.
If there was ever a concert,you could go back in time and
just be in the right spot, justclose enough, but just enough
out of distance of the fuckingmayhem and chaos.
That would be the show to go to.
To just go.
This is fucking insanity, oh my.
God, I just think there weresome people that were right

(01:31:05):
around that circle, right thatwatched the dude get murdered,
right, watched the lead singerget punched the fuck out,
watched the Hell's angels sit up.
But there's some people aliveright now that were like right
in that fucking that, that sweetspot, to see it all fucking
happen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Think of that.
Give me, give me, give meshelter.
That documentary like it.
It is kind of scary when youthink about like what happened
and how bad things went.
But there's such a funny momentthat just demonstrates the
utter chaos of that show.
Like the stones are up thereplaying and just out of nowhere
a fucking german shepherd walksacross the stage.

I forgot about you just as random as random can be
dog's like yo.
What's up?
All right, what's up, dude?
Just it's fucking passing by.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
It's gonna imagine if we stopped the speaker and
pissed on it like, and just keptwalking the other thing that is
hilarious, right, and it's atragic story, right, but they,
the Hells Angels, they knockMarty Ballin out.
I don't know if they punchedhim or they hit him with a pool
cue or whatever it was, but thenthey actually cut to like a

(01:32:31):
backstage area and the GratefulDead are getting off their
helicopters and there's somebodythat's talking to Jerry Garcia
and Phil Lesh and and they say Ithink it was, I think it was
Phil Lesh, and they were likeyeah, you know, they knocked
Marty Ballin out.
And and Phil Lesh is just likewhat, what?
You know, they're beating upthe band members.

(01:32:52):
You know, jerry Garcia goes, ohgoes.
Oh man, that's a bummer.
Oh man, oh, bummer.
You know, phil leshka is justlike, oh man, that just doesn't
seem right.
Like they don't say like, hey,we're getting the fuck out of
what.
They're like, right, or hey, orhey, we're not, we're not going

(01:33:14):
on until they fucking fix this.
They're like oh man, that's abummer.
Yeah, they almost go about theirbusiness they almost killed the
guy from jefferson angela.
That's too bad.

Well, fuck those guys.
Yeah, what time are we going on?
Yeah, do we gotta get?
Do we gotta do a rehearsal?
What, what?
Um, give me a name, give me aall right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
So this is this is one of my favorite singers.
Underrated band, underratedlead singer pat denizio from the
smithereens, smithereens, yeahyeah, yeah great singer, very
unique voice, very, veryunderrated band.

But I, I don't think.
They don't think they had thatstardom.
I think they were big, no, no,perry's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
The Dead didn't go because they were in the
documentary.

Ah, okay, I wouldn't fuck with the AI,
though He'll get you.
He can get me all he wantsHe'll get you.
I'm telling you I don't fuckwith him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
So what are you?
Why do you think I don'tcriticize him?
I don't know.
I don't know him like you knowhim, so I can do it he's that's.

He's an ai dude is he gonna?

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
he's gonna throw a bottle at me?

do you ever really know an ai?
That's the question.
Right leo said hello leohaskell, hottest working man in
chile leo haskell.
Yeah, leo haskell.
Yeah, we all love leo.
We all love leo.
Um, I I don't think that theyhad the smithereens, had the uh,
had the, the level of fame toreally determine if the lead
singer is, if, if he's uh,underrated, you know what.

(01:34:52):
Like, I don't think they hadthat mass appeal.
I'm talking like bands that weall heard.
Like you could be in that dirtwater town in Oklahoma, but Todd
Todd, todd, todd, our friendTodd, that was on the call.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Big head Todd, he's saying 11.
11 was a big record for them.

Yeah, but that was it.
I mean I'm not dogging the guy,I love him, I love the
smithereens, but, um, I justdon't.
I wouldn't put him inunderrated, because there's a
lot of bands out there that havegood lead singers, but I'm
talking in that category of ofeverybody knows who they are,
but the lead singer just doesn'tget that credit.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
And a good example and I'll say is um, roger
Hodgson, hodgson, oh, from asuper tramp, super tramp, yeah,
by the way, perry Perry is thegrateful dead are in the
documentary.
I don't.
I actually think that he'sright.
I don't think they played.
I think they split, but theywere there, okay, yeah.

They probably were like oh okay, dude.
Then it was like that's that,or they were just going to hang
out.
They were just going to hangout, who knows right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah.

Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
So you were saying, roger Hudson, there's another
band that most people don't know, that there was more than one
lead singer for Supertramp.

There was Roger.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Hodgson and that other guy.

And the other guy.
Yeah, and we've had thisdiscussion in the past and I
think Roger Hodgson did go outon tour A couple times as him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
It says Roger Hodgson from Supertramp.
He had a couple of solo albums.
Yeah, I can't remember the nameof the song, but he actually
had a.
In the early early days of mtvhe had a, a minor hit.

Um, I'm gonna look it up real quick, just because
I'm curious I'm gonna I want tosee something here uh super
tramp right so the eye of thestorm so I'm looking this up as

(01:37:08):
far as super tramp goes rightlet's see stupid, stupid,
fucking band, stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Do you know why they're stupid?
Why are they stupid?
Because they let their egos andtheir personalities get in the
way.
How much money do you thinkthat they've given up by not
like sticking together and tornlike, look, you don't have to
love each other, but this isyour livelihood right know what
I'm looking at.

Their greatest hits and these are the ones that
are hyperlinked, but I'll justread them off School Goodbye,
stranger.
The Logical Song, bloody Well,right, breakfast in America.
Take the Long Way Home, dreamer.
Crime of the Century, rudy Ain,nobody but me from now on, give

(01:37:57):
a little bit.
It's raining again.
Cannonball, um.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Most of those songs came off of one album yeah right
well crime they, they had agood album yeah, yeah, so we
talk about like a band or aperformer's creative arc.
Their arc was Crime of theCentury and Breakfast in America

(01:38:23):
, and that was it that was it?

That was it.
So that's why I was curious.
You know what?
Let me look at the greatesthits and then you see it and
it's like oh, okay, and if I'mnot mistaken, Give a Little Bit.
Or Bloody Well Right, BloodyWell Right, came out in like
wasn't that like the late 70s?

(01:38:46):
Isn't that one of the earlierhits.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Yeah, I would think so.
Yeah, yeah, 78, 79, somethinglike that.

One of the early hits and Give a Little Bit.
Wasn't Give a Little Bit?
Also an earlier song.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
It is yeah.

Yeah.
So I remember they were playingthe Boston Garden and it was
advertised on the radio by oneof the radio stations.
I don't know if it was WBCN orif it was one of the older radio
stations back in the earlier70s when they first broke.
It was probably maybe WRKO orWVBF, whatever it was, I don't

(01:39:24):
know, but they were advertisingif you come dressed there was a
competition to come dressed asthe best super tramp You'd win a
prize.
So I always imagined that.
I always thought what the hellwould that crowd look like,
because that's all we got ourinformation off back in the day

(01:39:45):
with these radio stations WRKO,wvbf, whatever it was right,
wbcn.
That's where we got ourinformation.
And if they were announcingthere's a come as a you know,
the best dressed super tramp,then everybody would be fucking
doing it.
Right, there'd be a huge influxof wcoz, right?

(01:40:06):
Tim griffin piles in.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
Yeah, tim, that was the 80s, that that came around.

this was in the 70s.
This was the later 70s, I think, before these other radio
stations took off, like WAF andall of those like the 80s.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
I always thought of that.
We relied upon the radio forconcert information.
They would tell you when theywere playing and when they were
going on sale.
I mean no computers.
Even in the early, early daysyou couldn't even call to get
tickets.
You had to go to the box office.

Yeah, yeah yeah, and and tickets were fucking
12.50 for a floor seat, but evenbefore the 80s, in the 70s it
it was like $8 for a fourth, itwas cheap, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
The first time I saw Aerosmith, I think the ticket
was $7.
That's, oh my God.
Now we sound like the old guys.
I remember when a clock bar wasa nickel.

Clock bar.
Yeah, clock bar, great call,Great call with the clock bar,
jesus Christ.
Oh shit, is Robin Zanderunderrated?

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah, maybe I mean look, Cheap Trick is Look.
I think that you and I couldactually do an episode of these
type bands.
There are a lot of people outthere that look at cheap trick
as being a really underratedband yeah but are they cheap?
Trick has got some great songs.
There's no question about thatcheap trick was pretty

(01:41:43):
consistent.

After live at budokan they, they, they had.
They had some good stuff, butif you look at their catalog
there's a lot of shitty cheaptrick songs out there well,
again, I think that goes for, uh, for a lot of bands, like, okay
, we know the hits, but you know, and, and so that was the thing
when we bought an album, if wehad four good songs out of nine

(01:42:06):
or ten, it was a good album,right I mean you gotta give, you
gotta give cheap trick credit.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
I mean how long they're still touring right.
They're opening for rod for RodStewart here in New Hampshire
this summer.

I saw them open, for I was working at the stage
Constant Security in Albuquerque.
They opened for Stone TemplePilots and they were great.
How long is Cheap Trick?
That was 97, right, so Live atBudokan came out in 79.
Yeah, right, so Live at Budokancame out in 79?
.
Yeah, right About 79?

(01:42:38):
.

Yeah, I think yeah, 78, 79.

I think, you're right, and they were around
before that.
That was the album thatlaunched them into the
stratosphere.
Of course, story behind it,they had no idea that that was
being recorded and that it gotsent back to the States.
And they came back and theywere like a whole different
fucking.
They're on a whole differentplane of success when they came
back cheap trick.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Cheap trick has been around 51 years they were.

Are they in the rock and roll hall of fame?
I don't, I don't know.
Look it up, because if they'renot and cheryl crow is I got a
fucking problem.
I got a big fucking problem.
Yep, they're in.
I was gonna say, yeah, theythey have 2000 2016.

(01:43:27):
yeah, they have to be honest.
I would have had a majorfucking problem with that.
2016.
51 years, although,unfortunately, bun isn't.
You know it's the drummer, it'sJoey King, aaron Smith, bun
Carlos and Cheap Trick.
You know, give us some otherdrummers that always seem to get

(01:43:47):
booted out of the band.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Oh, so here's another number quiz for you.
Yeah, so two bands who has hadmore?
Has Deep Purple had more orless lead singers than Pearl Jam
has had drummers?

I would have to say Pearl Jam's gone through
more drummers than Deep Purplewith lead singers.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
So it's kind of a trick question.
Yeah, they've both.
So Pearl Jam and most peopledon't know this has actually
gone through five drummers.
Five drummers yeah.
And Deep Purple has gonethrough, I think five lead
singers, Five lead singers.

Ian Anderson was the best though Ian Gillum.
Ian Gillum was the best.
Ian Anderson was the bestthough Ian Gillen.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Ian Gillen was the best.
Ian Gillen was definitely thebest, and Pearl Jam.
I mean, in all fairness, MattCameron has been with them for
20 years.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Yeah, he's the one that stayed, or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
But the early days they had a real tough time with
drummers.

So let me ask you this If he's their drummer for
20 years, is he part of thecorporation?
I wonder is he?

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
yes, he's got bought in.
He's an official, like what'shis name from metallica.

They're like we're giving you a check for a
million dollars I love thatscene, man they were going to
give you a check for a milliondollars, like that.
The look on his face, that wasunbelievable, that they caught
that on film during thatdocumentary and he was I mean,
that's what a fucking amazing.
You just hit a lifelong lottery.
You know what I mean?

(01:45:19):
Yeah, like, and the fact thathis son got to come out and play
with them out in him on stage afew times and got to play with
other bands, because the kid isa fucking, he's a little, he's
he's probably older now, but, uh, his son, what's the bass
player's name?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
uh, for uh, rob, rob, trio, yeah trio.

Yeah, true, trio, trio yeah, and then his sorry u
I j o yeah, and his son playedwith.
Uh, he played with fo.
Yeah, came out, played with FooFighters.
You know a couple songs.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
So here's the bumpy ride of drummers in Pearl Jam.
So Pearl Jam formed in 1990.
And they went through fourdrummers in like six or seven
years.
Matt Cameron, I think.
Actually he joined in like 1998, and he's been with them since
right, so there you go.

Just popped up on the screen, leo haskell, hottest
working man in show business.
As you know, not a concert guy,never was.
Yeah, leo wasn't really a bigconcert guy yeah leo, who did?
Who did you?
Who did you go see?
They went to see he.
He posted it.
It was some.
I can't remember who they weregoing to see.
It's a retro act.
I think it was an older Boyz IIMen.

(01:46:42):
I think you saw Boyz II Men.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
See if my memory serves me right.

Did he like it?
I think they did.
I think he really liked it.
They're cool, they're alright.
I've never had a problem withdid I think he really liked it?
They're cool, they're all right.
I never had a problem with them.
I wasn't a big fan.
I didn't really listen to themthat much.
They weren't in my purview atthat time, but you know they
can't deny them.
They had fucking big hits.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
I have a soft spot for bands like that.
There's stuff that I just itmay not be the thing that I
listen to or follow, but youknow Don Brewer, grand Funk, oh,
okay, so Don Brewer was thedrummer, I believe.
So he was the one that sangSome kind of wonderful, and

(01:47:36):
we're an american band.
So you know, there's anotherband right that had more than
one lead singer.
It was either mark farner ordon brewer.

Yeah, yeah, good, call um ian asbury from the club
, from the cult.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
Very unique voice, great singer, underrated band
very, very, very underrated bandand singer.
Big voice yeah yeah, you know.

And stage presence yes, that dude, he could
control a stage.
Great, great performer.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely Greatperformer.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Pete Steele.
Pete Steele, I think you got meon that one.
Who's Pete?

Steel, I'm going to play a song by them.
Let me give you one second.
All right, here we go.

(01:48:44):
I went looking for trouble andboy, you know who they are.

Speaker 5 (01:48:48):
I found her she's in love with herself.
She likes the dark and on hermilk-white neck.

I love this band man.
The devil's mark.
I think it starts to pick up.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
You don't know who it is yet.
No, I know who this is, yeah.

Good album cover too.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
This is the guy from O Negative right Type O Negative
Big voice.
He died young, didn't he?

Heart attack yeah.

Type O Negative.
Yeah, yeah, pete's still big.
Still big, I mean big voice, I.
I think in that genre he wasn'tunderrated.
They were like the masses ofthat goth, that dark goth kind
of rock sound of the 80s intothe 90s that I remember he was

(01:50:14):
on.
Uh, he was on the jenny jonesshow because he had posed nude
for playgirl magazine.
Yeah, he was this like.
He was a fucking high, he hadthat long black hair, right
jacked up, all jacked up, but hehad he was from jersey.
Like it was always weirdlistening to him talk because he
had a real heavy Jersey accent.

(01:50:34):
That never sat right with me islistening to these big bands,
these real good, popular bands,but they're from New York Like
Kiss, right, you hear them talk.
You hear fucking Ace Frehleytalk.
He's like, yeah, so I was outthere, you know doing this right
, he sounds like an idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Yeah, yeah, Suho's out there, you know doing this
right.
He sounds like an idiot.

Yeah, yeah.
And Pete Steele, like that NewJersey act, like it never
fucking sat right with me, thesebig bands, and they got that
stupid fucking, like it's notstupid, it's the New York accent
, it's like it just never meshedwith me.
Yeah, it was always weird.
Now, the ramones okay, theywere the roads, they had the

(01:51:16):
whole new york persona, theyowned it.
You know what I mean.
But they, they played that upto the hilt.
They certainly did, theycertainly did.
All right, jack, we're comingup on two hours.
Buddy, I want you to go to bed.
I have to nurture this.
I have to nurture this I'mexhausted, you're going into
overtime.
Hey, I'll tell you what.
Right before I I came on here,I did an hour podcast.
I interviewed for my veteransthe Vets Connection podcast.

(01:51:39):
I interviewed a guy in Oklahomafor the last hour.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
I worked nine hours today.
I was on the phone all day.
I mean, I don't want to hearyour sob story.

Retirement- guy hey, hey, hey, don't be a victim
of the job, you do it.
You're not a victim of your job, jack, I love my job.
That's right, my job.
So don't play a victim.
And I'm not playing victim thatI just just did three hours of
podcasting because I love this.
Yes, you do, I love this allright, uncle scott.

(01:52:06):
By the way, underrated,underrated lead singer scott
mclean yeah, yeah, yeah, and ifyou're around next week, we'll
uh, we'll, pick it up, we'llpick it up, we'll pick it up.
I got more.
I have more we can talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Hey, thanks.
Thanks, everybody for joiningNice.
Seeing y'all Alright, buddy Ilove you.

Thank you for coming on.
This is always good, greatconversation.
I think the fans like youbetter than me.
But that won't last.
That won't last.
No, it won't last.
I won't let it.
All right, get off, I'm goingto kick you off early.
Get out of here.
Well, there you go, jack's back.
And well, for this week, I wantto thank everyone for listening

(01:52:44):
.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for listening.
If you like it, share it If youdidn't like it.
Thanks for watching andlistening for an hour and 53
minutes.
This was a great episode.
I enjoyed this a lot.
This, actually, jack and I hadsome.
Dave Phillips, King of the 45,says whiners.
I'm still working.
Hey, don't be a victim of thejob, buddy, don't play the

(01:53:07):
victim.
All right, that's all I'msaying.
That's all I'm saying.
But Jack and I had like, youknow, hey, let's talk about this
.
And we ended up talking aboutway off off of what.
So what we were originallygoing to talk about?
I think we picked it up in ournumber two, but anyway, uh, well
, I'll be back next week.
Hopefully, jack is back nextweek, I hope you're back next
week and, as I always say, doingthis show for you, to quote my

(01:53:33):
favorite artist, morrissey.
Well, the pleasure, theprivilege is mine and I will see
you guys for episode 173 or 174, whatever it is next week, and
I'm going to go hang out with DrVera.
I just did three hours ofpodcasting.
This is so exhausting.
Oh my God.
Dave Phillips, king of the 45s,I'm still working.

(01:53:55):
Shut the hell up.
All right, buddy, everybody, Iwill see you and you will hear
me next week.

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Ep. 172 - Echoes of 80s Adventures and Iconic Bands