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Scott McLean (00:01):
I'm going to start
this again.
You can hear me, everybody canhear me now.
Good, all right, let's try thisone more time.
Welcome to the podcast.
You know the name.
I'm not going to say I'mstreaming live right now and
everybody can hear me.
See, this is going to have tobe edited for the audio podcast.
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As good as you get Bob Ducetti.
He's active tonight.
Tonight there's no Jack, ofcourse, of course there's no
Jack.
He'll be here next week, though.
He said tonight's some musicnews, interesting stories.
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Let's see how it goes.
We'll kill an hour.
By the way, this is not my music.
This is from a group calledpigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs,
pigs, pigs, or some people saypigs times seven, and the name
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of the song is G&T.
Go download it.
Yeah, yeah, all right.
This is probably.
Facebook is probably going tolock this one up.
I don't know why.
I got some work to do on myother Facebook page, but yeah.
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So how's everybody doing tonight?
Everyone, good, let me get someiced coffee, some turbo.
That's always a good way tostart the show.
Keep that little noise in thebackground and let's get right
into some music news.
Let me kill this up here.
Let me kill this up here Again,like I said, no, jack.
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So what's new?
What's new?
He's at a block party tonighton his street.
Yes, let me pull this one.
This article it's not anexciting article.
I just have questions about it.
Let me go over here.
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Let me pull it up over here.
I just have questions andyou'll probably know.
You might agree with me or youmight not.
All right, actually, let me goover here.
Let me get this picture alittle.
Let me see, is this better?
No, it's down.
How about if I switch it?
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No, I don't like that one.
Let's, how about about thisangle?
That's what I had before.
Yeah, all right, and I can seethe.
Let's see.
Let's get the chat.
Does that take up the space onthe screen?
I wonder, I don't know.
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I think you'll be able to seeit though.
Dave Phillips, king of the 45s,welcome to the podcast.
Do I keep it like this, to seeit though?
Dave Phillips, king of the 45s,welcome to the podcast.
Do I keep it like this?
I can see your comments.
So what do you think Somebodycomment in?
Does the screen look better?
We'll call this view number one, or do you like it better?
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View number two?
Tell me what you think.
First answer wins, first answerwins, first answer wins.
Oh, adam, the King of DelrayBeach just commented in.
Adam Nelson, king of DelrayBeach.
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Oh, big Head, todd the WetSprocket, beautiful, great Crap.
I can hear you.
I can hear you now.
I liked it better when you weremuted.
I'm here entertaining me.
The King of Delray Beach, adamNelson, likes this view better.
Alright, I can still read thecomments.
You just can't see your owncomments.
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Blame it on Adam Nelson, don'tblame it on me.
So anyway, this is questionable, this article to me.
So.
Legendary classic rock star, 78,involved in a serious crash
after farewell concert.
Legendary classic rock starOkay, that's where my question
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lies 78.
As the story goes, former REOSpeedwagon lead vocalist.
Now, if you follow REOSpeedwagon right, you know
what's.
Kevin Cronin is the lead singer.
No, no.
Former REO Speedwagon leadvocalist, terry Luttrell, 78,
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was involved in a serious carcrash after the legendary
classic rock band's farewellconcert.
I don't know who the fuck TerryLuttrell is Like.
That's not the REO Speedwagon Igrew up with.
On Sunday June 15th, luttrellfell asleep while driving in
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Champaign-Urbana, illinois, justone day after his band played a
show at State Farm Center.
He told the News Gazette.
I was able to get up and getout of the car, the singer told
the publication.
Unfortunately, luttrell didn'twalk away without any injuries
noting.
The airbag went off and crackedmy sternum a little bit.
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Is a cracked sternum like alittle bit?
Is that like a little bitpregnant?
Is that like you're a littlebit of an asshole?
I don't know.
It's fucking cracked sternum.
Okay, he wants to downplay it?
Good fam, I have a little backpain and neck pain and a fucking
cracked sternum.
He told the Newsday Gazettefrom Kyle Foundation Hospital.
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He's in the hospital.
It's nothing that I can'tovercome.
Yeah, you're fine.
His vehicle didn't fare quiteas well in the crash.
Who gives a shit about the car,right?
He nodded off the car rolled,woke up in a cocoon of airbags.
Unfortunately, the totaled car.
That which doesn't fucking meananything in the story.
Why would they even throw thatin there?
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Now, this is where I'm at here.
On Saturday, june 14th, currentand former members of RSB Wagon
came together for aretrospective concert.
Participating performersincluded co-founder and
keyboardist Neil Dowdy,co-founder and drummer Alan
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Gratzer, bassist Bruce Hall,vocalist Mike Murphy and
guitarist Steve Caffina Inaddition to Latrell.
Per the Ultimate Clouser Rockvocalist Kevin Cronina.
In addition to Latrell per, theUltimate Cluster Rock Vocalist,
kevin Cronin did notparticipate.
Now you tell me, you tell me, isREO Speedwagon REO Speedwagon
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without Kevin Cronin, right?
I don't know.
No, it's not.
It not, it is not so I don'teven know.
That's why I wanted to readthis article.
That's total bullshit.
He's the voice, the voice andI've discussed this in the past
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on podcasts that sometimes thevoice of the band is the band.
Hence why journey went out andgot singers that sounded like
steve perry.
They got it.
Right now, I don't know if thisguy sounded like kevin cronin
or not, but they were not like.
When he left they, they faded,they, they were gone, they were
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done.
They get a lead singer and youget these bands that like to go
out and then they're makingmoney.
They're making money.
There's fans that don't reallypay attention.
Maybe they're not as into it,as deep as as most of us are uh,
that listen to this podcast orwatch the live stream, but I, I
would not consider that guy thelead singer and like, like, uh,
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dave phillips, king of the 45,said when was reo speed wagon a
rock band like?
When was REO Speedwagon a rockband Like?
Wouldn't you just say they're apop band?
I guess rock, I guess classicrock, I don't know, I don't know
.
That's the question, right?
Dave Phillips, king of the 45s,let's see Bob Doucette.
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To me Van Halen was not VanHalen.
After David Lee Roth, I, youknow what I was of that mindset
for decades until I reallystarted to appreciate Sammy
Hagar as the lead singer.
Uh, I, I've sensed.
I wouldn't say decades.
Well, let me 80s, 90s, 2000,yeah, okay, uh, I, I didn't mind
some of the songs of SammyHagar, but I was on team Diamond
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, dave, and well, I startedlistening a little more to the
music of Van Hagar and they werea much better band.
They just were.
David Lee Roth was great when Iwas a testosterone drivendriven
18-year-old boy.
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You know, growing up inWinthrop, which could be
sometimes a little bit of aviolent situation, there's
fights, there's, you know kidsweren't pussies in Winthrop or
somewhere.
But you know you get all thatgoing for you.
So Van Halen's a blood pumpingmusic back.
And then, to add the icing onthe cake, and then I started
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paying attention to David, davidLee Roth, and he's a fucking
asshole, total douche, totaldouche.
So he was great for what he wasand then he wasn't.
So that's how I look at VanHalen.
I give Van Halen with SammyHagar, I give them the the win
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on more polished, better.
I don't know now, you know whatI might be talking myself into a
corner so.
So I'm just going to quit thatone right there.
That's a topic for another time.
That's a topic to argue withJack on.
All right, let's get rid ofthis.
Let's pull up another one.
Let me dump that.
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Yeah, there we go.
There's some comments up there.
Let me go over here, pull thisup.
Let's's see what do we got next?
All right, there we go.
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Next article I just want to bea woman, a little Portishead in
the background, all right.
So the headline on this one isRonnie heard that and he didn't
really like it.
It was a quote.
Tony Iommi says Led Zeppelin'sJohn Bonham meant to compliment
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Black Sabbath's Ronnie James Dio.
It didn't go well.
So the Sabbath guitarist foundhimself at the center of a
dispute after the drummer'scomments were taken the wrong
way.
The end of the classic BlackSabbath lineup was difficult for
all involved.
Left without the band OzzyOsbourne had to build in Ukraine
, he went on to far exceed theexisting.
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This is my commentary.
He went on to far exceed theexisting Black Sabbath.
As for Tony Iommi and the restof Sabbath, they were left
rudderless as they searched fora singer, and we all know that.
You know, ozzy got RandyRhoades and Black Sabbath got
Ronnie James Dio.
I give the edge to Ozzy on thatone.
Doc Sabbath got Ronnie JamesDio.
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I give the edge to Ozzy on thatone.
So they met at the Rainbow Bar,la's Rainbow Bar, I guess, as
they say, as a serendipitousmeetup.
La's Rainbow Bar brought themtogether.
Iommi and Dio forged an instantmusical connection.
I never take anything away fromRonnie James Dio.
He's been around.
The guy was around from the 50s.
Fucking guy was in the 50s,right, the first jam session.
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They wrote Children of the Sea,one of the key tracks from
1980s, heaven and Hell.
Let's have this first albumwithout Osbourne, I tell you.
I told you the black and bluetour I talk about it every once
in a while.
Fuck that thing.
That's garbage, that wasfucking garbage.
Um, led zeppelin's drummer.
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Let's get right to the point,led zeppelin drummer.
John bonham, who was iomi's bestman when he married susan
snowden in 1973, was one of manyfans impressed by what Dio
brought to the band Meh.
However, his habit of straighttalking caused him to put his
foot in his mouth when heintended to flatter Dio.
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It was left to Iommi to preventthe diminutive Dio from tearing
into much larger Bonham.
I see that Now tear into him,meaning verbally or physically.
I couldn't see Ronnie Jay'sknee was five foot four Fucking
five foot four.
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What was Barnum?
Barnum was like six feet Dude,weighed about a couple hundred
pounds.
Nah, he's a fucking ragingmadman.
Nah, okay, yeah, there was somekind of a word.
What did he say?
Yeah, there was some kind of aword.
I only admitted when askedabout the kerfuffle.
Who puts kerfuffle in theirfucking article?
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That's a question.
Kerfuffle, the fuck.
While being interviewed by BillBurr in 2011, john came to the
gig when we played at theHammersmith in London and we
were going to go out after theshow to a bar.
According to a Black Sabbathfan site, the band played four
consecutive nights at London's.
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What the fuck?
What just happened?
London's Hammersmith Odinbetween May 7th and how did they
?
Did they just jump the article?
Barnum attended, but it was notin the English capital that his
remarks were taken in the wronglight.
They're dragging this article onJohn's drinking on the side of
the stage, drinking Guinness,tony Iommi says, coloring the
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scene.
We came off stage and as wewalked past John John said to me
oh man, he's got a great voicefor a midget.
Yeah, that's great.
That's great.
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Well, I mean, listen, if RonnieJames Dio, oh Jesus, adam
Nelson, king of Delray Beach,the people that use kerfuffle in
their article are the same onesthat carry umbrellas for shade,
I'll give you that.
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Now, if Ronnie James Dio is5'4", he probably never grew
after the age of 21,.
Right, and he has, like you,put yourself in the limelight.
You're going to get what youfucking get.
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Like, are you a sensitive guy?
Like, are you sensitive?
Like, oh, don't call me short,because I'm fucking short.
Like, I don't get it.
Of course, ronnie popped up andI won't repeat what he said.
They were gonna fight and I'msure Bonham was fucking laughing
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his ass off.
Suddenly, iommi found himselfin the center of the ruckus.
I like the word ruckus, I likeruckus.
Ruckus is way better thankerfuffle.
Kerfuffle just sounds like softGetting the ruckus and astutely
defused the situation bytelling the pair to just get
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along.
Eloquently put, tragically,bonham would pass just months
later and Dio had a fuckingparty.
I'm sure a fuck you party.
It serves you, right,motherfucker, for calling me a
midget party.
It's a fucking die,motherfucker die party.
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That's what Dio did.
That's what I would have doneif I was a sensitive guy about
being 5'4".
I'd have a good you're deadparty.
There we go.
Oh, once again.
Black Sabbath is set for onelast hurrah.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's never one last hurrah withthese fucking bands.
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That's it Now.
Ozzy is fucking Ozzy's one footin the grave.
So he's definitely this lastthing he's doing, he's done, but
that's about it.
All right, let's see what do wegot next?
Let me jump to the.
Let me see what the commentsare Anything there and where to
them.
Let me see what the commentsare anything there.
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And wear socks with sand.
Let me see.
Uh, oh, oh, okay.
So big head todd the wetsprocket decides to jump in.
Uh, after adam nelson king anddelray b says that the people
that used to fuffle in thearticle, the same people use
carry shade and brothers, bighead todd the wet sprocket has
to jump in and say and wearsocks with sandals.
I wear socks and flops.
I don't know the sandals thingis, I wear socks and flops.
I don't know what the sandalsthing is.
I wear socks and flops, so what?
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So what?
I'm cool, like that, I can pullit off.
Big head, todd the WhiteSprocket, red headed old Arnold
Schwarzenegger old ArnoldSchwarzenegger, he can't.
Red heads can't pull anythingoff.
They don't have the brains,alright, anyway.
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Anyway, let's go with the nextstory.
Let's see what we got.
Get rid of that.
Let's see what story are wegoing to pull up.
Oh, I haven't pulled one up yet, so let me cancel this.
Let me go over here, let's talk.
I got a couple of good onesthat I want to talk about.
I can fucking do this.
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All right, that one's kind ofsoft.
Oh, this motherfucker, okay,this fucking guy Over here.
Get rid of that.
There we go.
So the headline of this storyis I grew up in the greatest
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time in the history of mankindto be a musician, but now the
deck is heavily stacked againstold farts like myself.
Whoever uses that fucking termis an asshole.
I'm an old fart.
What the fuck?
It's the classic rock singerexiled by his old band after
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writing their biggest hits.
This dude is not amotherfucking classic rock
singer.
I'll tell you that.
He's a pop star.
He's a pop rock guy.
He's not, but I guess they playit on the radio.
So all right, here we go.
It was Dennis DeYoung, and youknow what I think.
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If you've listened to thepodcast you know what I think
about this guy.
You know I don't, I fuckingdon't even like Styx, let alone
this guy.
This guy was why I don't likeStyx.
It was Dennis DeYoung who wroteand sang the hit songs that
made Chicago rock style rockband Styx a multi-million
selling phenomenon in the 70sand early 80s.
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His winning way with a piano-ledpower ballad had him nicknamed
the Manilow of Metal.
What, what the fuck?
Metal Sticks that's like JethroTull being winning metal band
of the year Sticks.
The Manilow.
Who called him the Manilow ofMetal?
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They're the fucking Manilow ofmorons.
That's what I say.
All right, called him theManilow of metal.
They're the fucking Manilow ofmorons.
Tonight's day, all right.
Oh, dave Phillips, king of the45s, don't start on redheads.
Well, I'm sorry to say that theboth of you are grayheads now.
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So Dave Phillips, king of the45s, a big head, todd Wittsburg.
Both of you are gray heads now.
So Dave Phillips, king of the45, is a big head.
Todd, the wet spark in bothgray heads now.
So, but you still fucking weirdlike redheads.
That never goes away, all right.
Anyways, his winning way withthe piano led power battle and
the panel of morons, the youngsong lady, okay, lady was great
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when I was in fucking juniorhigh and then maybe into high
school.
But Come Sail Away, nah.
The Best of Times, nah.
All Made US Top 10, while 79Track Babe went to number one.
Yeah, they were good for theirtime, alright, but after a
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couple of breakups and reunions,de young left sticks in 1999,
never to return.
That evidently had something todo with he wanted.
This is the dude, and you'veheard me say it a million times
if you listen to the podcast.
He's the fucking guy thatwanted to turn it into like this
, this rock opera like fuckingplay.
Everything had to be a bigproduction instead of just
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getting in and playing fuckingmusic.
He wanted it all to be aproduct.
I've seen him like in videoswhere he's got on this fucking
like the guy that leads thecircus, the fucking.
He's got on a tux like red.
I don't know, it's fuckingridiculous.
And he also stole Mr Robotofrom Black Sabbath's Iron man.
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Anyway, in 2021, deyoung spoketo Classic Rock about those
great songs and his desire torejoin Styx and explained why,
at the age of 74, his solo album26 East, vol 2, was his last
act as a recording artist.
Maybe because no one Bought thefucking thing.
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Maybe Just might be, could be.
Uh, wait a minute.
Paul DeCiano.
Chicago was a good all aroundband, but not phenomenal.
What are we talking?
Why are you talking aboutChicago?
We're talking about Styx.
This is I love Paul DeSiano,don't get me wrong.
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I was stationed with him in thePhilippines.
He's one of my old friends.
But Paul can be on a differentplanet sometimes he kind of
marches to the beat of his owndrumming.
He's evidently watching anotherpodcast.
He's watching another livestream, I don't know.
But Chicago is good allaroundaround band, but not
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phenomenal.
Chicago in their prime wasphenomenal.
I don't know how you could saythat in their prime, which I
would say was the 70s, beforethey got all poppish, I mean
that some of their music wasjust I.
I mean, all right, you knowwhat?
All right, let me see.
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I just have to prove to himthat they're not phenomenal.
Like I said, let me see Great.
I said serious, let's see.
Let me see Greatest at series.
Let's see, not that one, notthat one.
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Where is it?
Hold on, let's see, this isn'tphenomenal.
I mean, come on, don't say they, they when they got older, they
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, they, they went into.
Let me see, all right, I'm, I'mgetting off track.
He got me off track, fucker.
Okay, where was I?
Uh, let me see, I had a greatcareer, he said I gave it, gave
it my best shot, and I alwaysdid.
I've always been so neurotic andconsumed with being the best I
can, and it's made me successfuland miserable at the same time.
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Poor, poor me.
Blah blah, blah.
Tortured artist.
Blah blah, blah.
I grew up in the greatest timein the history of mankind to be
a musician.
But now the music business isshite because no one's buying
your shite.
But now the music business isshite because no one's buying
your shite.
That's what it is.
Because you're putting outshite, the fuck's going to go
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out and buy a David DeYoung,fucking, whatever his name is,
what is it?
What's his name?
Again, I don't even rememberhis fucking name Dennis DeYoung,
see, that's how important thisguy is to me.
And Perry light-fingered, perryDinovich, the AI.
Perry Lightfingers, the AI.
He's a lounge schmuck.
Theatrical BS.
Mr Roboto.
What the fuck Exactly, exactly,lightfinger, perry Lightfingers
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, mark Smith from Music Relish.
Perry was accused of stealingthose guitars from Hart.
It was something.
He was implicated by Mark Smith, so he became Perry
Lightfingers.
That was hilarious, let me see,I've always been neurotic.
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Do I have to explain this toyou?
Yeah, yeah, he says I don'tthink so.
No, oh, please explain.
Please explain the numbers thatyour, that your albums were
making.
Please, please explain the, the, the, the tens of tens of of
albums that you were selling,tens of, not even tens of
hundreds.
The change is not in me, thechange is in the culture.
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This is why this motherfuckingthis deck is heavily stacked
against people in rock music,and particularly old farts like
myself.
There you go again.
There you go again.
He's got the fucking edge of abaseball bat.
He's clarified I'm not retiringand if the spirit moves me, I
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might write a song from time totime and put it out through
Apple or whoever the localrobber baron is.
Okay, now you're fuckingcomplaining about the people
that you want to put your musicout on.
Why Did you not make yourmillions off of fucking Lady and
Come, sail Away and whateverother fucking gay songs you
wrote?
I don't know, let me see.
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But I'm not going to go throughthe torturous efforts of making
a complete album again because,number one, he probably can't
get a producer.
And if he does, he's going toget a producer who's like, ooh,
I'm going to work with this oldguy and he'll help me go
somewhere because my audiencewill go hey, that's nice, dennis
, pat me on the head and say,please play, come Sail Away.
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Well, are you fuckingcomplaining about that?
Are you really complainingabout that?
That?
Are you really complainingabout that?
The fucking song that was in thetop 10 that made you a lot of
money?
Oh, they want me to play my oldsongs that made me popular and
famous and meant something tothem.
This is a pompous motherfuckerright there.
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This is a pompous assmotherfucker.
They want me to play that.
Even Morrissey who doesn't?
He's all about not being thatold, playing the old song, being
an oldies act, as he said.
He's all about that.
I'm not an oldies act.
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If you go to a Morrissey concert, you'll see 3, maybe 4 Smith
songs Out of 15 or 16 songs thathe plays.
You throw them in there.
You throw the fucking crowd abone.
Now he gets offended by it.
This is a fact for all classicrockers.
There's a lot of classicrockers out there that love
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playing their old music becausethat fucking pays the bills.
Love playing their old musicbecause that fucking pays the
bills.
The people who still support usare emotionally bound to the
music of their youth, which is ais true of all generations.
Could you ever, could you sitdown and have a conversation
with this fucking guy?
Could you like, could you havea real man to?
No, you couldn't have a man,toman, that's not happening.
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He named his top three Styxalbums as Equinox 75, the Grand
Illusion 77, and ParadiseTheater 81.
So let me see 75, 77,.
Okay, paradise Theater junk,fucking junk.
Theater, shit theater, becausethat's what he wanted to create.
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Theater, shit theater, becausethat's what he wanted to create
theater.
The dude just needs to fuckinggo write plays instead of write
songs.
But of course, the GrandIllusion is our best album.
He said Anyone who wants toargue about it, don't come to my
door.
I'll make them look silly.
You're gonna look silly if youcome to my door.
I'll make you look silly.
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We'll have a kerfuffle.
Yes, we will.
We'll have a kerfuffle and I'llmake you look silly.
So don't come to my door buster.
I just made myself laugh atthat one.
This fucking guy has beta malewritten all over him.
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He probably got the tattoo,anyway.
Anyway, actually, you know what?
Most rock stars are pussies.
Most rock stars are pussies.
Prove me wrong.
Most, I said not all Like I'msure like Zach Wilde got
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guitarists for Aussies BlackFlag.
I'm sure Zach Wilde is a guythat would get in a fight Right,
but not like these dudes.
They all talk shit and they allweigh about 110 pounds, soaking
wet.
Anyway.
Lady was the band's breakthroughhit.
Uh, originally released in 73on the album sticks to, but
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re-released two years later togreat success.
A lady was great for its time.
It was fucking.
It was a great song for itstime.
I don't listen to it if I hearit on the radio.
Everything changed when ladywas a hit.
De young said it was the firstsong I ever wrote.
And when we put it on thesecond album, no one at radio
played it.
But later it became a hit.
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And then it was they like me.
Oh, this dude just fucking.
Oh, my god, they like me, theyreally really like me.
Oh, because I wrote a songcalled lady, this fucking guy.
So I took the reins and sticks.
He recalled I was the guy whosaid this is the way to go.
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Follow me, and if I screw up,just hit me over the head with a
shovel and bury me, or elseI'll make you look silly.
I'll make you come to my doorand I'll make you look silly and
we'll have a kerfuffle.
And then you can hit me in thehead with the shovel and bury me
, but you better bury me deep,sonny, because I'll come back.
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It's fucking.
Oh, what.
Should I take this phone call?
No, I don't want to take thiscall.
No, no one's here.
My ringtone, anyway.
Well, okay.
So I took the reins.
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Blah, blah, blah.
Hit me in the head, bury me,kerfuffle, make you look silly.
Uh, all those hit ballads wereinspired by the same woman de
young's wife, jim, his wife Jim.
Not that there's anything wrongwith that.
The article says Suzanne, but Ithink Suzanne's real name is
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Jim.
Hey, listen, if Jim inspiredthem, god bless them.
God bless them.
When we met she, he was 15 andI was 17.
He said it was the only lovewe've ever known Me and Jim
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Instead of lady.
I think it was originallycalled Jimmy.
Yeah, what I didn't understandwhen I was writing those songs
is that there are a number ofpeople in the world who
absolutely hate romantic balladsand slam what they call the
mushiness, the cheesiness, the,what?
The treacle, t-r-e-a-c-l-etreacle.
Who uses that word?
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The fuck is treacle, the fuckis treacle.
Hold on, let me see, gemini,what does treacle mean?
Let's see, I gotta ask Geminithis Gemini's better than Google
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, gemini.
What does treacle mean?
Just a second Treacle has a fewmeanings, but it's most
commonly used today a type ofsyrup.
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Here we go, here we go.
Oh, here we go.
That's the one, that's the oneI got to take a treacle.
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Just listen to this yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, treacle
, yeah, that's what happens whenyou turn 60.
You take a leak, you got alittle treacle afterwards.
It's just what it is.
It's just what it is.
Who the fuck uses the wordtreacle anyway?
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Uh, when we met she, he was 15,I was 17.
What, I don't understand.
She's in this tree.
Go, blah, blah, oh, oh, he getsa little tough guy.
Now Listen, and you know what Isay to those people Fuck off,
fuck off.
See, I made you look silly, see, I made you look silly.
Now fuck off, or I'll get ashovel and hit you in the head
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and bury you after the kerfuffle.
So fuck off.
Well, maybe I shouldn't sayfuck off to these people, I just
it's just their personal taste.
But here's my definition ofsongwriting.
I started out as a kid with anaccordion.
I was a kid with an accordion.
I had a dream.
I had a melody of rhythm in myhead and all I ever wanted to do
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was find some chords and attachlyrics to them and then give
you my point of view, hoping youfind yourself in my story.
This fucking guy.
This is why they won't let himback in the band.
This is exactly why they won'tlet him back in the band.
This fucking guy this is I had,I was a kid with an accordion.
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He actually said that.
He fucking actually said that Iwas a kid with an accordion and
I had a rhythm in my head.
I had a melody.
I want to be the melody man.
I want to be the melody man ina rhythm age.
See, I'm not wrong here.
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I am fucking not wrong here.
There's no doubt about it.
I am not wrong here.
This fucking guy.
No wonder they won't let him in.
That's what songwriting is, andinclusive in that is my
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relationship with the love of mylife, jim.
So I don't want to feel like Ihave to apologize for that,
because when you're lying onyour deathbed, love is the only
thing that matters.
Oh, this is fucking just putridgold.
Putrid gold.
Beta male gold, beta male gold.
Right here.
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This is it.
If you were gonna fucking writea description of beta male in
wikipedia, this fucking articlewould be right underneath.
It references this as onereference.
This article in the beginningit was my band, my idea, but now
it's really tommy shaw's band.
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That stupid silly tommy shaw.
He stole everything from me.
That's my input.
Uh, if you haven't figured thatout, I've said that we should do
one last tour together.
For those people who made usrich men.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let's fucking backtrack alittle bit here.
Fucking sweet pants, weren'tyou just fucking complaining
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about the people that said makeme play, come sail away and pat
me on the head?
Were you just complaining aboutthem, you fucking moron?
Were you not just saying, oh,they just want to pat me on the
head and and say thank you andmove me along?
And now he's like hey, tommy,tommy, can we do one more tour
so I can make a little moremoney off those fuckers that pat
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me on the head and touch mytushy and tell me to move along.
Then we have a kerfuffle in bed, me and Jim.
Anyway, I digress.
They know I'm ready to do itand recently it was floated as a
possibility, but Tommy Shaw wasthe only one who spoke and he
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said no, this is great.
Tommy Shaw had commented aboutthe glory days of Styx Instead
of DeYoung.
In retrospect, we weren't evenhappy working with each other in
our heyday.
In other words, dennis DeYoungwas it's my band, we'll go my
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way, we'll do it my way.
And if we stumble, hit me inthe head and hit the shovel and
bury me.
Yeah, this is why this assholeain't coming back, because he
was a fucking.
He was, he was on a power trip.
De young responded.
Let me tell you he really saidthat.
He really fucking said it.
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Let me tell you.
And what man says that?
Let me tell you.
Big Ted Todd, the Wet Sprocket.
Let me tell you, all of thisstuff they said about me was the
biggest exaggerated bunch oflies I've ever seen in my life.
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You know what a real man wouldsay.
Those motherfuckers are lyingthrough their teeth.
That's some bullshit rightthere.
That's what a man would say.
These motherfuckers lyingthrough their teeth.
They shit lies is what heshould have said, but no, he
starts it off.
Let me tell you, it's thebiggest bunch of lies I've ever
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seen in my life.
What are you 12?
Are you fucking 12?
We liked each other.
He said that we liked eachother.
We never had a punch up.
A punch up what the fuck Isthat?
The same as a kerfuffle, apunch up.
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We never had a punch upup.
The fuck is that.
Who the fuck says that?
Oh man, uh, let me finish.
We never had a punch-.
We never screamed at each other.
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We weren't those guys.
We made music together.
This is like this dude Does hewrite scripts in his head and
wait for an interviewer to comealong.
We liked each other.
We never had a punch up.
We never screamed at each other.
We weren't those guys.
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I don't think you were ever aguy to begin with, but okay, we
made music together.
Drama queen Jim.
I give Jim a lot of credit forsticking with this guy since he
was 15.
So here we go.
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It just gets better.
So when you cast aspersions, notonly are my musical
contributions, but also mycharacter.
It's been the greatestheartbreak of my career,
greatest heartbreak of my career.
He cast aspersions on me.
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Oh, I hate when people castaspersions.
No-transcript.
I can't think of a band that'sworked harder than sticks at
diminishing its own reputationand to denigrate the music that
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we created together and itserves no purpose.
Oh, I think Guns N' Roses andMotley Crue and there's a couple
other bands that give you a runfor the money Diminishing its
reputation.
I think you're lost in thatcategory.
Our fans loved us because we didmusically.
What we did musically was veryuplifting and positive.
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That's what we stood for, andto harm that anyway is insane in
the membrane, insane in thebrain.
All right, well, I'm almostdone here Not to give the fans
one last glimpse of us togetheron stage.
It makes no sense to me.
He said and I know that all sixfans, all six sticks fans he
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left the number out and I knowall Sticks fans would want to
see that one more time.
But look, this is not about me.
It's not about the money.
Oh, it's not.
This isn't about you.
This whole article about youbitching and moaning and
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complaining and bitching somemore.
It's not about you.
I don't know.
Let me repeat that.
But look, this is not about me,it's not about the money.
I think it's about the moneytoo.
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It's to relive and reinforce.
What Lucky oh, he fucking doesthis now.
This is just.
We're ending on a big one,people.
I'm going to read the wholething in context.
But look, this is not about me,it's not about money.
It's to relive and reinforce.
And what lucky wait for it, sonof a bitches, we were to find
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each other.
We are some lucky son of abitches.
You know who's an unlucky sonof a bitch?
Me, for meeting big head Toddthe West Rocket.
That's the polar opposite ofthis.
We are the polar opposite ofsticks.
They're lucky sons of bitches.
I'm an unlucky son of a bitch.
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We're to find each other andshow the people what we
appreciate what you've done forus.
I'm sick.
I'm sick over the fact that wecan't do it one more time.
But what am I going to do?
I just can't for the life of meunderstand it.
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And that's the end of thearticle.
That's it.
That's the end of the article.
That's the end of the article.
I don't think you could haveended it any better.
I think we're all lucky son ofa bitches that this article is
over and I have been torturedfrom word one on this.
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I don't know if I even want todo another.
Let's cut over here.
Let me see, let's get rid ofthis clown On this.
I don't know if I even want todo another.
Let's cut over here.
Let me see, let's get rid ofthis clown.
Oh, look at that.
Let's get this out of here.
Get him Get off my screen.
There you go.
All right, did I do one more?
I'll do one more.
I don't think I can beat thatone, though.
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Let me see, I'm featuring myselfto you each week.
What did Big Head Todd say?
Guys with sandal socks use thatword.
He took the reins.
Leader of band.
Dave Phillips, king of the 45,sticks as someone to sing those
songs.
That's right, dave Phillips,king of the 45.
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It's always about the money.
Yes, it is Big head Todd theWestbrookian, or me torturing
myself listening to you eachweek.
That's right, because I'mbetter than Dennis DeYoung.
I'll tell you that, thatfucking guy.
Let me dig up one more.
Let me dig up one more here.
Let's see, let's get one morearticle and then I'm done for
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the night.
I'm going to go hang out withDr Vera.
So you know what?
Let me see the prog musician,the Eagles.
You know what?
I'll end it on this one.
Let's see, get that up overhere.
I'm getting good at this.
See, get that up over here.
I'm getting good at this.
See.
See, I upped my game.
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There is a certain person thatused to be on the podcast.
He was part of a duo who's oncesaid that Milk Crates and
Turntables was a sinking shipand it was turning into a
variety show.
Well, I resent that that person, because now I'm all techie.
Now I'm all techie.
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Here we go Four classic rocksongs without the title in the
lyrics.
Now, now that I said that, daveFellows, king of the 45, saying
goodnight Alright.
Now that I said that To thelisteners, the podcast listeners
, the live stream viewers Fourclassic rock songs Without the
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title In the lyrics, can youthink of one, can you think of
two, let alone four Classic rocksongs Without the title in the
lyrics?
Now, I'm going to read thisarticle while you have.
I'm going to read a little bitthe intro while you have time to
think.
And for the live stream viewers, if you want to comment in with
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a song that does not have thetitle in the lyrics.
This article is about fourclassic rock songs and you're
going to hear them and you'regoing to go.
Oh fuck, that's right.
From a marketing perspective,including a song's title
somewhere in the lyrics helpslisteners easily identify what
they hear on the radio, and inthe days when classic rock was
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new, radio was the quickest wayto reach the widest audience.
However, rock and roll, ifnothing else, is about breaking
rules, smashing through thenorms of how songs are written,
how long they're supposed to beand whether or not the artist
ever sings the tune's name.
These classic rock songs becameiconic even without the title in
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the lyrics.
Oh, let's see what's the firstone black dog by led zeppelin
all right, it's got a littleblurb.
Uh, at the barn of blacklabrador, at the recording
studio where led zeppelinrecorded its fourth album,
inspired the title black dog.
Jimmy page's legendary guitarriffs often say more than what's
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being sung, and Robert Plant'spowerful voice energizes his
seemingly throwaway lyrics witha bluesy howl.
Plant screams them through aseries of lusty verses, but the
dog goes unmentioned.
All right, what's number two?
A Day in the Life by theBeatles.
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John Lennon wrote the line Iread the news today which
intrigued Paul McCartney.
The song follows variousunconnected news events, both
tragic and trivial.
Lennon's voice sounds distantand aloof, like he's observing
from another dimension.
Mccartney is the man on theground and it's not clear
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whether he's headed toward acalamity or boredom.
The title distills the day'sevents in five words.
Everything else happens withina Beatles masterwork.
So so, a day in the life, yeah,yeah.
Great songs, both of them sofar.
And let's move on to numberthree, badge by Cream.
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Working on what became Badge,which is one of my favorite
songs of all time, georgeHarrison wrote Badge on the
lyric sheet to denote the middleportion of the song's
arrangement.
Eric Clapton, sitting acrossfrom Harrison, read bridge
upside down and asked what'sbadge?
Thus the song now had a title,though one wouldn't appear, one
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that wouldn't appear in thelyrics.
Now I heard a slightlydifferent version of that story.
I heard they were all passedout and Harrison was finishing
some lyrics and he wrote bridge.
He did write bridge instead ofbadge, but when they woke up and
read it they were all drunk.
They're like what the fuck isbadge?
And he meant to write bridge,but it's relatively the same.
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They were in the same room.
All right, what's the last onebefore I call this a night.
Bohemian Rhapsody Ugh, mm, asSling Blade would say, mm, mm,
mm, mm-hmm.
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Queen's epic consists of manymovements across nearly six
minutes.
A lot happens in the song,including layers upon layers of
operatic voices.
A rock and roll opera oftragedy and defiance.
Some have described it as aFaustian bargain, while others
speculate that Freddie Mercurydetails his personal struggles,
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while others speculate thatFreddie Mercury details his
personal struggles.
But the title appears nowhereand Mercury ends with the song
on a defeated note.
Nothing really matters to me and, with that said, let me get
this off the screen.
That's it.
That's the show, that's thepodcast, that's the episode
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started off a little rough.
I got some shit to figure outhere, but for the most part I
think it was a pretty good show.
I had fun.
I hope you had fun.
Thanks for listening, like it.
Share it if you didn't like it.
Thanks for listening orwatching for an hour and I'll be
back next week, me and jack,supposedly I'll be back, whether
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jack's here or not, I don'tknow, but I will be here and
I'll have some more, eithermusic news or some articles.
Uh, you know, we'll see.
We'll see, maybe I'll have,maybe I'll, maybe I'll seek out
a special guest and you like mybackground, you like the new
background right there, thepicture, the David Bowie picture
.
There it is, yeah, right there.
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Yeah, that's a big like.
If you're listening to thepodcast.
My daughter, amanda, who doesthe intro for this, she bought
me this for Father's Day.
It's a real big painting ofdavid bowie and it's pretty cool
, pretty, pretty, pretty cool.
Uh, patty, assi says, thanksfor all the info.
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You always crack me up.
Have a good night.
You too, patty, you're the best.
And uh, with all that said, asI always say, to quote my
favorite artist, morrissey,doing this podcast for you, well
, the pleasure, the privilege ismine and I will be back next
Thursday, god willing.
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Patty said very nice, gotta go.