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March 11, 2025 20 mins

In part 2 of Dr. Anna Malaika Tubbs’ moving conversation with 4Kira4Moms Founder + President Charles Johnson, Charles explains why he rather keep holding politicians accountable than be one and what simple actions everyone can take to help end the maternal mortality crisis, which disproportionately affects Black and Brown women. Charles introduces 4Kira4Dads, a new web-based solution that teaches dads and non-birthing parents how to advocate for moms and birthing parents to help prevent maternal death, and shares how his quest to seek accountability from Cedars Sinai for Kira’s tragic death has exposed rampant institutional racism, prompted an unprecedented federal investigation, and evolved into a seismic movement for national health equity. Don’t miss Charles’ inspiring insights on his duties as a parent and the deets on 4Kira4Moms’ upcoming “Lollapalooza for birthing people”.


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