April 24, 2025 • 32 mins
Dreams are a big part of mental health, neurology, and psychology. In this episode, Eddie and Justin discuss the history, science, and meaning of dreams. Plus, find out which of the most important human inventions came from dreams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Basically nine to eleven led to Fifty Shades of Gray,
Twilight and My Chemical Romance.
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Welcome to MMHC, your go to mental health podcast.
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I'm Eddie Koreo, a licensed professional counselor.
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And I'm Justin Romano, a Board certified child and adolescent psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
I heartma Eddie.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Do you have any recurring dreams all the time?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm really glad you asked. I I tried to talk
to my therapist about this, but they kind of shut
it down. Now I'm just kidding. I don't. I don't
think so. I feel like, definitely when I know there's
a problem, when I have a dream about work. Yeah,
but other than that, there's not really anything dream wise
that like sticks out that makes sense. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I want to mention before getting into my dreams
that I think the funniest one I've ever heard is
that my mom has a recurring nightmare of toilets in
a carpeted bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Overflowing.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh wow, sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Uh just fucking just squeak, just.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Overflowing, spewing out contents. It's untamable, it's getting all the carpet.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah. Well, if you're curious what today's episode is about,
it's about overflowing toilets with carpet bathrooms. Like, a carpeted
bathroom is not a good idea, No, never was.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't care about keeping my toes warm while I urinates.
I'd rather not have to clean that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, because oh, oh, okay, terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, I do have a recurring dream myself where
I'm transported back to junior high. But I'm also a doctor,
and so they're like, oh, we made a mistake. It
looks like you didn't do one of those junior high classes.
So in between your patients, you gotta sneak on over
to McCormick Junior High School and take English class with
a bunch of punk kids. But recently I had a
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dream where in my dream that was starting to play out,
they were like, oh, we made a mistake. You got
to go back to junior high And in my dream,
I was like, Nope, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You exercise your free will. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I was like, finally, thank god, I stood up
for myself in these dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Can I share a story that's not related to dreams
at all, but it's really too okay. I was talking
to someone about this the other day. I think it
was one of the math teachers at work. I used
to be someone that was like decent at math and
like just decent, like school wise, And I remember the
exact time where the math just left my the ability
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to do math left me. And it was my sophomore
year in high school. As someone who felt comfortable enough
to push themselves a little bit school wise. I remember
signing up for it was the class was algebra two.
Algebra two trigonometry, like that was the class and that
was like the quote unquote honors class for like sophomores
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and it was first period. I believe the teacher was Mislay,
and there was two eighth graders in my class. These
kids were so advanced in math that they would walk
over from the middle school take math with me in
my classmates first period, and they'd walk back to middle
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school and they would kick my ass every day in math,
and there was no hanging with them, like, there was
just no like. At that time, I was like, yeah,
math is not math is not for me. So some
people just got a gift that, yeah they do and
I don't have that. So anyway, that we're off topic,
but I just needed to share since we're talking about
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middle school and middle school is being way better at
math than me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, well, today we are talking about dreams, hence the
rest dreams question and algebra uh and terrifying recurring dreams.
I've always kind of been fascinated by dreams. I believe
I'm somewhat of a vivid dreamer. I can't really compare
it to anyone else, but it seems like I've always
had very vivid, realistic dreams and I often hear like
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music in dreams is pretty rare, and I hear music
quite frequently. I actually woke up the other day and
I remember in my dream right before I woke up,
there was Taylor Swift playing. So even in my dreams,
in my sleep, I can't escape that crappy music.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Wow, WHOA went there?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, she's got some good songs. I will admit there.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I know, I just pissed off the Swifties, any Swifties
out there, My deepest apologies.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I spoke a little hastily. She's got some good songs.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm very hit or miss on Taylor where it's like
either I think, wow, that's a really good song, where
it's like, wow, that is a complete garbage song either way.
But yes, I looked it up on Psychologytoday dot com,
and a lot of people do hear music in their dreams,
but not a lot of people remember that they hear
music in their dreams. I oftentimes have people speaking Spanish
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to me in my dreams, and it's like a level
of Spanish that's too advanced and I don't even understand it.
But then like I'll remember little snippets and I'll go
look it up and it's stuff that like actually is
Spanish and makes sense. I'm like, wow, that's kind of
weird that I don't even know what that is, but
my subconscious does.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, and yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Am distantly related to Benjamin Franklin on my mother's side,
and I remember reading his autobiography and he talked about
like how vivid his dreams were too, and I remember
thinking like, oh, maybe it's a genetic thing, you know.
So I thought that was kind of interesting fact. So
the reason why we bring it up is because dreams
are so very tied to psychology, tenurology, to mental health.
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So we wanted to talk about dreams on this episode
and give you a little bit of history, give you
a little bit of the science behind dreams.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
How distantly related? Hold on, we can't just gloss over that.
Hold on, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's always a part of my two truths and a
lie if I ever play that as I'm related to
ben Franklin because my mom was contacted by a genealogist
earlier in her life and said that we are descendants
of Benjamin Franklin's oldest brother. Wow on Yeah, my mom's
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side and her maiden name was Franklin. So yeah, hey,
that's evidence for me.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's all I need it's all I needed, damn. Okay,
before I go to some history, let me just share.
I used to be someone who would have like a
song as my alarm on my phone, like it would
play like a snippet of a song. But I stopped
doing that because there'd be times where the song would
play like in my dream and I wouldn't think anything
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of it and I would just keep sleeping. So I
don't know. Fun fact, fun fun any fact. Okay, anyway, history,
let's talk about history. Let's talk about dreams. Let's talk
about written history of dreams. So first we'll go back
to ancient Mesopotamia. I talked about Mesopotama the other day
at work. I think the reason why I brought it
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up because again I was talking about my deficiencies in
school and how I took a world ap World history
as a sophomore. Sophomore year was tough for me in
high school. Let me just tell you, I've realizing that
now in real time. It was tough. And I just
remember telling someone was like, yeah, I didn't give a
damn about Mesopotamia. I probably should have. But anyway, ancient Mesopotamia,
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this is about forty five hundred to five hundred and
thirty nine BCE. Before Common era, dreams were considered to
be messages from the gods. So the Epic of Gilgamesh
is one of the first recorded history stories in history.
And in the story, Gilgamesh actually communicated with the gods
through dreams. So dreams go way back. This is not
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a new thing. This is forty five hundred BCE before
Common era. It's a long ass time ago.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Some other ancient history. In ancient Egypt, people really started
to document their dreams through hieroglyphics like as our writing,
as our way of describing things, being able to take documents,
not necessarily documents, but records of things that people started
to really write down their dream.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Around the sixteenth century in Europe, humans started to turn
on dreams. They weren't as cool anymore. The Christian Church
actually thought that dreams were a potential source of sin. Actually,
let's take a real quick break shout out to Pope
Francis rip He just passed away a couple of days ago.
I saw a TikTok where it was like the urge
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to like, as a non practicing Catholic, to represent my
Catholic hood. Because Pope Francis is dead and I'm going
to gate key parts of Catholicism. But anyway, rip Pope
Francis one of the more, maybe the most progressive pope
we've ever had in history. He did some badass things.
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He was a support of the LGBTQ plus community. He
talked about Gaza. He's a supportive immigrants as Jesus would
have been back in the day. Anyway, so yeah, we'll
stop that pause and we'll get back to it. There's
actually an NPR article that was called through Line the
History of Understanding Our Dreams that talked about this and
talked about how, yeah, the Christian Church basically turned on
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dreams that said they were not they're not a good thing.
You're potentially sitting through their source of sin. One interesting
fact that we'll add is that during COVID people were
reporting dreams to be more intense. I can imagine it's
probably because of the state of the world at the time,
the amount of stress people were going through. There's probably
a lot of pieces to it, but yeah, something interesting
that came out of COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know, I've done quite a bit of sin in
my dreams too, so I think Christian church was on
to some, but as a society we didn't start really
looking at dreams scientifically until around the time of Sigmund Freud.
Oh everyone's favorite topic on the show. So he believed
that dreams were a manifestation of repressed desires and unconscious thoughts,
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and that they provided a window into the human psyche
and a lot of what we think about dreams.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We still think about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of people still ascribe to those ideas that
Freud put forward about dreams. So what does the science
say now.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Penis We're not Isn't that what Freud would say? Right?
Everything just goes back to penis. Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Freud was very penis focused, very pro penis. Yes, he
was also very repressed sexual desires towards your mother. That
was another big one that you know, we pick and choose.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
These days what we take from Freud.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So what does the science say now that we're still
not really exactly sure why we dream.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
We know that we do dream, we don't know why exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
We believe dreaming helps us store memories and process them too.
Dreams can also help us process our emotions. So you know,
a lot of times if you go through something really
difficult throughout the day. You'll dream about it at night,
kind of like going through it with a therapist. It
allows you to get out those feelings, kind of go
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over things, process it, store it in your memory brain banks,
and put it away.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know, the brain, and I think the body as
a whole, but specifically the brain does a lot of
maintenance during sleep, so it essentially cleans itself. It kind
of like packages up the trash and waste products and
then your blood takes it away, pretty much like trash day.
What day is trash day for you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's Wednesday, It's tomorrow is Monday?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, did you put the trash bins out?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I did not, So I'm gonna forget about it until
the morning and then I'm gonna wake up and scramble
outside in my bare feet and get the trash cans out.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh I love self awareness anyway. Over the years, sleep
research has come a long way, especially in the past
few decades. Can now use fMRI to show what areas
of the brain are lighting up during dreaming. We know
that multiple areas light up while someone is dreaming. The
posterior parietal area and the prefrontal cortex is the area
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responsible for dreams, and then we have the visual cortex
and audio cortex of the brain. Those also light up
while someone's dreaming. It's also important to know that this
also happens in hallucinations, so areas of the brain are
fired and indicating that people are physically perceiving these things
inside their own minds.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I find that so fascinating that when we're dreaming, we're
essentially floridly psychotic, right, Like, we're hearing things, we're seeing
things that aren't there. Our brains are making up these storylines.
But if we're awake then it's totally normal culturally. I
just find that so interesting and that Yeah, the more
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sleep deprived people get, the more likely they are to
have hallucinations. So your brain loses the ability to differentiate
between what is waking and what is sleeping, and you
start hallucinating.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, So an EEG.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
An electro encephalograph lets us read different brain waves. This
is like how we look for seizures and things like that,
but also gives us a good idea of what areas
of the brain are most active. So scientists have found
that while you are dreaming, your brain waves look very
similar to the brain waves of being awake, because for
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years and years and years people thought like, oh, dreaming
is just like you shut your brain off and it
does nothing as you sleep. But EG helps us realize that, no,
your brain's actually super active and the most active. Yeah,
it's very opposite of what we thought for a long time.
And the most active part of sleep is that REM sleep,
your rapid eye movement sleep, and it actually looks a
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lot like somsleep brain wave wise, looks a lot like
being completely awake.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Some stats in facts related to dreams, So according to
the Winston Medical Center shoutout Winston Medical Center, the average
person has about fourteen hundred one four hundred and sixty
dreams per year, which is about four per night. The
average person falls asleep in about seven minutes. I would
beg to different just kidding. Some nights as hard man.
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Most streams do happen during REM sleep, which is when
our brain waves apparently tend to be particularly active. And
in total, people sleep the equivalent of about one hundred
and twenty two days per year. So some quick math,
that's almost exactly a third. Holy shit, it is a leap.
It is exactly the three. What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's why I think you're making it more complicated than
it has to be.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Like, what about a leap year?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Leap eight? Leap years deserve justice? Okay, some people were
born on February twenty nine. They can only celebrate their
birthday every four years, So that's true. Give me some restract.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, I wonder if they just took like, because eight
is third eight hours of sleep, so I think they
probably just they probably just did that a third of
your life.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I was so excited I did math quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All right, I'm with math Honors math over here.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, hey, Eddie, do you want to do the problem
on the board? No, just get the fucking eighth grader
to do it. Man, you know I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, we had one of those in my class too,
or someone younger than us was in my trigonometry class. Wild,
it's wild.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Good for him. I think he ended up working on
Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So yeah, well so he's doing great better than not.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So I was gonna ask the question on the podcast
do animals dream?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And I know for a.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Fact I see my snooz great movie to hangover, But
have you seen a dog dream before?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, when they're just like twitching and like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's a pretty obvious answer. Dogs like to sleep. My
dog likes to Uh. It looks like she rides a
motorcycle in her sleep because she'll like twist her hand
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So we like to think she's riding choppers in her dreams.
So it's curious what animals sleep the most. And the
animal at the top of the list that I found
was Koala's. Koalas actually sleep eighteen to twenty two hours
per day.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Damn. Kind of right around the same same amount of time.
We have brown baths twenty hours per day.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And we got possums or opossums, depending on where you
were raised, they sleep for about eighteen hours per day,
which is a lot. I've actually got to see a
possum and oh my h I scared the crap out
of it because you didn't see me coming and I
snuck up on sleeping.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
No, he was just walking along the fence.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, you caught it during the time. Wow, look at that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, it was away.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Some other notables that Justin was able to find. Dogs
they sleep around ten hours per day, Horses about two
to three elephants around three hours, and then dolphins sleep
for eight hours and actually they let half their brains
sleep out of time. How okay? There If there is
a water animal, a dolphin, perhaps a fish, a shark,
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and they're sleeping and they just flown around, is that
like what I think?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think what's going on is the like the cortex,
like the thinking part of the brains is what sleeps,
but a lot of the brain stem functions they still
go because like sharks need to move to get water
through their gills while they're sleeping, so they still you know,
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are moving while they're sleeping, but they're kind of they're
bumping off. And I think, what what dolphins can do?
And at this point I will admit I'm just completely
making this up, but I.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Believe you on I will take nobody else's answer.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
If if truly half of the brain is like shut
off and sleeping, you think would cause some problems. But
you know, there is a huge connection and multiple different
connections in the brain, Like the corpus colossum is a
part of the brain that communicates the most. So I
think essentially it just it lets one side rest but
can still control some of the other sides from the
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side that's still awake. I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But yeah, let's take that.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I mean, I will admit that as a guess.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know, educated guess, yes. Educated.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So one of the things we wanted to talk about
we found fascinating when writing this episode is we wanted
to talk about some of the best ideas that have
ever come from dreams. And this is according to one
of our favorite sources. Give a shout out to Reader's
Digest r d D because we've got so much of
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our sources from Readers Digest, but they actually were able
to cite their sources and say where they learned all
this stuff. So I liked this article like that Einstein's
theory of relativity, so that came to him in a dream,
which is pretty fascinating. One of the most influential scientific
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theories and equations ever in human history. One of the
best ways that I've heard that he described it was
like touching a hot stove feels like it lasts forever,
but touching a beautiful woman feels like it only lasts
a split second. And that's basically the theory of relativity.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Einstein, You dirty dog, dirty dirty. Next, we have the
periodic table of elements from Dmitri Mandliev got that one right.
I'd been working on how to classify the elements for
three days, so he decided to sleep on it, and
when he woke he wrote this in his diary. I
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saw in a dream a table where all the elements
fell into place as required awakening. I immediately wrote it
down on a piece of paper. Men Leive then wrote
more in his diary, only in one place did action
later seemed necessary wild He woke up and got the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Up next, we have the sewing machine, which the inventor,
I'm sure you already know this is Elias Howe. He
had a dream about being attacked by cannibals and at
the same time he was trying to figure out how
to make a sewing machine actually work. And so then
the spears of the cannibals helped him realize that he
needed to have the thread of the needle will go
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through the needle itself, and that's how he came up
with the needle for the sewing machine.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
All right, I'll tell you alrighty good for him?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, hell yeah. Next, we have the model of the atom.
So you know that typical picture of Adam that we
think with the big spheres around it by string like electrons,
that's Neil's boor he got that from his.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dream, Yes, he was like science and physics people tend
to get a lot of their best ideas from dreams,
but also musicians such as Paul McCartney and when he
was at the Beatles, he wrote the song Yesterday and
apparently he woke up from a dream with the tune
in his head. He didn't have the lyrics yet, so
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he actually came up with those later, which I would
say is arguably the best part of that song. But yeah,
the tune came to him in a dream.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Isn't that why.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The book Frankenstein written by Mary Shelley, she got the
idea from Frankenstein from a lucid dream that she had.
Lucid dreaming, right, is that when you're like a sleep
but then like you can kind of control what's going
on in your dream. Am I making that up? Or
is that something different?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's absolutely a lucid dream where you can control the dream.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I used to get those all the time, but I
haven't too much lately, so hoping they come back because
they're a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
There's something else about Frankenstein and Mary Shelley that like
they tried not giving her credit for it is how
it was because like a woman, Yeah, and she was
like really young at the time compared to like when
I was written, Like there was there's something I remember
listening to a podcast that basically talked about like the
actual history of Frankenstein, and they were basically just trying
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to discredit, like there's no way a woman could have
written this, by God, but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're looking it up, just googling it quickly. Yeah, she
did publish it anonymously, oh yeah, credited later in a
French translation, but not seeing any misogynist reasons as of
yet here.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
We could just assume the misogyny. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean it was eighteen twenty, so clearly there
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Be some misogyny.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Which is your reminder to locate or donate to your
local women's fund. Next up, we have the song I
Can't Get No Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones and Keith Richards,
the guitar player for The Stones, in an NPR interview said,
I go to bed as usual with my guitar. I
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wake up the next morning and I see that the
tape is run to the very end, and I think, well,
I didn't do anything. Maybe I hit a button while
I was asleep, So I put it back to the
beginning push play, and there, in some sort of ghostly version,
is the opening lines to satisfaction. It was a whole
verse of it. And after that there's forty minutes to
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be snoring, and then there's the song in its embryo,
and I actually dreamt the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Where did you get that clip of the interview?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh? You know that was that was from the NPR
clip at the interview itself.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So yeah, wow, that's so cool that we could do
the clip the audio in our podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It sounds a lot younger than he does, but I
love it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh yeah, Oh was it Darlin? Who was the one
that was on like the galopokos? Darling, let's go, I
just be remembering shit sometimes, shout out mister lewis my
biology teacher anyway, So well, darn takes most Darwin takes
most of the credit. There's a man named Alfred Russell
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who's part of it? And it was in a dream
that he realized that species evolved to fit their environment.
Was it finches on the Galapagos? Or am I making
that part up?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You're absolutely right, it's finches and iguana's.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Knowledge all right, now, it.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Don't mean a trivia shade you here. Do you remember
the name of his boat that he traveled on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, the fucking uh uh ss Eileen close.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's Club HMS Beagle. And also something that I've heard
about Darwin was that he had terrible gas like.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He was.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I might want to look this on up. Okay, Darwin,
word for it? Man, Did Darwin have gas? Oh? Alright, well,
even according to Google AI, there is no specific evidence
that he had gas in the common sense of them.
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So don't believe everything you hear out there, kids, Darwin
was not a gassy man.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I didn't think that ten minutes ago, but now I
have now have my doubts he might have been.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So now the real most important discovery ever from a
dream was the author Stephanie Meyer came up with the
Twilight series from her dream. So she had a dream
where two young lovers were sitting in a meadow and
the boy was shimmering in the sunlight. The boy wanted
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to love the girl, but he also wanted to eat
the girl, and that led to seventy million copies of
the book being sold.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And three hundred and eighty million.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Dollars of ticket sales at the box office. So thank
you Dreams. Thank you Stephanie Meyer. You're doing the Lord's
work out there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I have to tell you something about Twilight. Okay. There's
this like butterfly effect discussion that pops up on Reddit
like every six months, and so this is okay, so
let me okay. Basically nine to eleven led to fifty
(27:32):
Shades of Gray Twilight and my chemical romance. Have you
ever heard this?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I have not, but now you got me.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm curious, So okay, I found one on here that
I think explains this. I'll do my best to like
to go okay. So, basically, fifty Shades of Gray started
out as a self insert like a fan fiction of Twilight.
So Twilight caused fifty Shades of Gray. Basically, the E. L. James,
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the author, wrote a fan fiction involving Edward Like as
the main character, but Like turned it into Christian Gray
or whatever his name was, and it became very popular,
and it was you know, edited to kind of take
out the Twilight references, but it was That's basically how
fifty Shays a Great came. But Stephanie Meyer wrote Twilight
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because she was inspired by her own crush of Gerard Way,
who was the lead singer of My Chemical Romance. Right,
that's kind of where that started. But fifty Shades of
Gray was created because he was living in New York
City when nine to eleven happened, and to help him
process the trump and the grief of living through that event,
he began writing songs and then formed the band later
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My Chemical Romance.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's all connected love Triangle for the Stars.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I got nothing else after that, No, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh, I guess we do have a quick discussion question
that I wanted to mention too, that a lot of
sleep medicines prevent your brain from entering rem sleep. They
change your sleep architecture. So if there's a way to
fall asleep without medicines, that tends to be the preferred way.
A lot of people really rely on them, and a
lot of people can't sleep without them. But so much
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of our society and our culture these days is bad
for our sleeps, bad for our sleep. That we work
too hard, we drink too much caffeine throughout the day,
we're stressed, we're on our phones at night, we're on screens.
There is some thought it's nearly impossible to measure this,
but it seems like people are dreaming less because we're
sleeping less. We tend to have more rem sleep towards
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the end of our sleep cycle.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Two.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And so the fact that we all are all sleeping
less collectively, we're getting less quality of sleep and getting
less rempsleep that we might be dreaming less. And so
so that might be why we are not solving the
world's problems anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Who knows? It could be we're not spending the third
of the day sleeping. Yeah. I'm actually giving a health
class presentation tomorrow about social media, Internet and internet, social
media and phone use, and part of it is talking
about like loss of sleep because of it. Yeah, it's
impacting a lot of people. Okay, before we leave, I
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have to ask you this because when you put dreams
on here, I figured i'd ask a medical doctor. Have
you ever heard of when people if you drink apple
juice or eat an apple before you go to sleep.
You have vivid dreams because of one of the chemicals
that's in the apple.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yes, yeah, there's certain foods that you can eat, Yeah,
can influence this the kind of intensity of your dreams.
Plus certain foods can also make you more likely to
have lucid dreams too.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So yeah, this shit's real. I've done it before. Crazy
wild Yeah, dreams that I've had when I like drink
apple just before going to sleep.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, for some reason, pizza gives me weird dreams too.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Oh I have to try that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I've just got to eat a bunch of pizza before.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
But yeah, Well, to all our listeners, we hope you're
able to get some good sleep tonight and you're able
to have a dream. And feel free to let us
know if you remember your dream, because I know sometimes
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Basically nine to eleven led to Fifty Shades of Gray,
Twilight and My Chemical Romance.
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Do you have any recurring dreams all the time?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm really glad you asked. I I tried to talk
to my therapist about this, but they kind of shut
it down. Now I'm just kidding. I don't. I don't
think so. I feel like, definitely when I know there's
a problem, when I have a dream about work. Yeah,
but other than that, there's not really anything dream wise
that like sticks out that makes sense. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I want to mention before getting into my dreams
that I think the funniest one I've ever heard is
that my mom has a recurring nightmare of toilets in
a carpeted bathroom.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Overflowing.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh wow, sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Uh just fucking just squeak, just.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Overflowing, spewing out contents. It's untamable, it's getting all the carpet.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah. Well, if you're curious what today's episode is about,
it's about overflowing toilets with carpet bathrooms. Like, a carpeted
bathroom is not a good idea, No, never was.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't care about keeping my toes warm while I urinates.
I'd rather not have to clean that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, because oh, oh, okay, terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, I do have a recurring dream myself where
I'm transported back to junior high. But I'm also a doctor,
and so they're like, oh, we made a mistake. It
looks like you didn't do one of those junior high classes.
So in between your patients, you gotta sneak on over
to McCormick Junior High School and take English class with
a bunch of punk kids. But recently I had a
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dream where in my dream that was starting to play out,
they were like, oh, we made a mistake. You got
to go back to junior high And in my dream,
I was like, Nope, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You exercise your free will. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I was like, finally, thank god, I stood up
for myself in these dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Can I share a story that's not related to dreams
at all, but it's really too okay. I was talking
to someone about this the other day. I think it
was one of the math teachers at work. I used
to be someone that was like decent at math and
like just decent, like school wise, And I remember the
exact time where the math just left my the ability
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to do math left me. And it was my sophomore
year in high school. As someone who felt comfortable enough
to push themselves a little bit school wise. I remember
signing up for it was the class was algebra two.
Algebra two trigonometry, like that was the class and that
was like the quote unquote honors class for like sophomores
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and it was first period. I believe the teacher was Mislay,
and there was two eighth graders in my class. These
kids were so advanced in math that they would walk
over from the middle school take math with me in
my classmates first period, and they'd walk back to middle
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school and they would kick my ass every day in math,
and there was no hanging with them, like, there was
just no like. At that time, I was like, yeah,
math is not math is not for me. So some
people just got a gift that, yeah they do and
I don't have that. So anyway, that we're off topic,
but I just needed to share since we're talking about
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middle school and middle school is being way better at
math than me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, well, today we are talking about dreams, hence the
rest dreams question and algebra uh and terrifying recurring dreams.
I've always kind of been fascinated by dreams. I believe
I'm somewhat of a vivid dreamer. I can't really compare
it to anyone else, but it seems like I've always
had very vivid, realistic dreams and I often hear like
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music in dreams is pretty rare, and I hear music
quite frequently. I actually woke up the other day and
I remember in my dream right before I woke up,
there was Taylor Swift playing. So even in my dreams,
in my sleep, I can't escape that crappy music.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Wow, WHOA went there?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, she's got some good songs. I will admit there.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I know, I just pissed off the Swifties, any Swifties
out there, My deepest apologies.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I spoke a little hastily. She's got some good songs.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm very hit or miss on Taylor where it's like
either I think, wow, that's a really good song, where
it's like, wow, that is a complete garbage song either way.
But yes, I looked it up on Psychologytoday dot com,
and a lot of people do hear music in their dreams,
but not a lot of people remember that they hear
music in their dreams. I oftentimes have people speaking Spanish
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to me in my dreams, and it's like a level
of Spanish that's too advanced and I don't even understand it.
But then like I'll remember little snippets and I'll go
look it up and it's stuff that like actually is
Spanish and makes sense. I'm like, wow, that's kind of
weird that I don't even know what that is, but
my subconscious does.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, and yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Am distantly related to Benjamin Franklin on my mother's side,
and I remember reading his autobiography and he talked about
like how vivid his dreams were too, and I remember
thinking like, oh, maybe it's a genetic thing, you know.
So I thought that was kind of interesting fact. So
the reason why we bring it up is because dreams
are so very tied to psychology, tenurology, to mental health.
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So we wanted to talk about dreams on this episode
and give you a little bit of history, give you
a little bit of the science behind dreams.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
How distantly related? Hold on, we can't just gloss over that.
Hold on, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's always a part of my two truths and a
lie if I ever play that as I'm related to
ben Franklin because my mom was contacted by a genealogist
earlier in her life and said that we are descendants
of Benjamin Franklin's oldest brother. Wow on Yeah, my mom's
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side and her maiden name was Franklin. So yeah, hey,
that's evidence for me.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's all I need it's all I needed, damn. Okay,
before I go to some history, let me just share.
I used to be someone who would have like a
song as my alarm on my phone, like it would
play like a snippet of a song. But I stopped
doing that because there'd be times where the song would
play like in my dream and I wouldn't think anything
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of it and I would just keep sleeping. So I
don't know. Fun fact, fun fun any fact. Okay, anyway, history,
let's talk about history. Let's talk about dreams. Let's talk
about written history of dreams. So first we'll go back
to ancient Mesopotamia. I talked about Mesopotama the other day
at work. I think the reason why I brought it
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up because again I was talking about my deficiencies in
school and how I took a world ap World history
as a sophomore. Sophomore year was tough for me in
high school. Let me just tell you, I've realizing that
now in real time. It was tough. And I just
remember telling someone was like, yeah, I didn't give a
damn about Mesopotamia. I probably should have. But anyway, ancient Mesopotamia,
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this is about forty five hundred to five hundred and
thirty nine BCE. Before Common era, dreams were considered to
be messages from the gods. So the Epic of Gilgamesh
is one of the first recorded history stories in history.
And in the story, Gilgamesh actually communicated with the gods
through dreams. So dreams go way back. This is not
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a new thing. This is forty five hundred BCE before
Common era. It's a long ass time ago.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Some other ancient history. In ancient Egypt, people really started
to document their dreams through hieroglyphics like as our writing,
as our way of describing things, being able to take documents,
not necessarily documents, but records of things that people started
to really write down their dream.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Around the sixteenth century in Europe, humans started to turn
on dreams. They weren't as cool anymore. The Christian Church
actually thought that dreams were a potential source of sin. Actually,
let's take a real quick break shout out to Pope
Francis rip He just passed away a couple of days ago.
I saw a TikTok where it was like the urge
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to like, as a non practicing Catholic, to represent my
Catholic hood. Because Pope Francis is dead and I'm going
to gate key parts of Catholicism. But anyway, rip Pope
Francis one of the more, maybe the most progressive pope
we've ever had in history. He did some badass things.
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He was a support of the LGBTQ plus community. He
talked about Gaza. He's a supportive immigrants as Jesus would
have been back in the day. Anyway, so yeah, we'll
stop that pause and we'll get back to it. There's
actually an NPR article that was called through Line the
History of Understanding Our Dreams that talked about this and
talked about how, yeah, the Christian Church basically turned on
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dreams that said they were not they're not a good thing.
You're potentially sitting through their source of sin. One interesting
fact that we'll add is that during COVID people were
reporting dreams to be more intense. I can imagine it's
probably because of the state of the world at the time,
the amount of stress people were going through. There's probably
a lot of pieces to it, but yeah, something interesting
that came out of COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know, I've done quite a bit of sin in
my dreams too, so I think Christian church was on
to some, but as a society we didn't start really
looking at dreams scientifically until around the time of Sigmund Freud.
Oh everyone's favorite topic on the show. So he believed
that dreams were a manifestation of repressed desires and unconscious thoughts,
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and that they provided a window into the human psyche
and a lot of what we think about dreams.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We still think about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of people still ascribe to those ideas that
Freud put forward about dreams. So what does the science
say now.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Penis We're not Isn't that what Freud would say? Right?
Everything just goes back to penis. Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Freud was very penis focused, very pro penis. Yes, he
was also very repressed sexual desires towards your mother. That
was another big one that you know, we pick and choose.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
These days what we take from Freud.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So what does the science say now that we're still
not really exactly sure why we dream.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
We know that we do dream, we don't know why exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
We believe dreaming helps us store memories and process them too.
Dreams can also help us process our emotions. So you know,
a lot of times if you go through something really
difficult throughout the day. You'll dream about it at night,
kind of like going through it with a therapist. It
allows you to get out those feelings, kind of go
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over things, process it, store it in your memory brain banks,
and put it away.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know, the brain, and I think the body as
a whole, but specifically the brain does a lot of
maintenance during sleep, so it essentially cleans itself. It kind
of like packages up the trash and waste products and
then your blood takes it away, pretty much like trash day.
What day is trash day for you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's Wednesday, It's tomorrow is Monday?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, did you put the trash bins out?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I did not, So I'm gonna forget about it until
the morning and then I'm gonna wake up and scramble
outside in my bare feet and get the trash cans out.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh I love self awareness anyway. Over the years, sleep
research has come a long way, especially in the past
few decades. Can now use fMRI to show what areas
of the brain are lighting up during dreaming. We know
that multiple areas light up while someone is dreaming. The
posterior parietal area and the prefrontal cortex is the area
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responsible for dreams, and then we have the visual cortex
and audio cortex of the brain. Those also light up
while someone's dreaming. It's also important to know that this
also happens in hallucinations, so areas of the brain are
fired and indicating that people are physically perceiving these things
inside their own minds.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I find that so fascinating that when we're dreaming, we're
essentially floridly psychotic, right, Like, we're hearing things, we're seeing
things that aren't there. Our brains are making up these storylines.
But if we're awake then it's totally normal culturally. I
just find that so interesting and that Yeah, the more
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sleep deprived people get, the more likely they are to
have hallucinations. So your brain loses the ability to differentiate
between what is waking and what is sleeping, and you
start hallucinating.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, So an EEG.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
An electro encephalograph lets us read different brain waves. This
is like how we look for seizures and things like that,
but also gives us a good idea of what areas
of the brain are most active. So scientists have found
that while you are dreaming, your brain waves look very
similar to the brain waves of being awake, because for
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years and years and years people thought like, oh, dreaming
is just like you shut your brain off and it
does nothing as you sleep. But EG helps us realize that, no,
your brain's actually super active and the most active. Yeah,
it's very opposite of what we thought for a long time.
And the most active part of sleep is that REM sleep,
your rapid eye movement sleep, and it actually looks a
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lot like somsleep brain wave wise, looks a lot like
being completely awake.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Some stats in facts related to dreams, So according to
the Winston Medical Center shoutout Winston Medical Center, the average
person has about fourteen hundred one four hundred and sixty
dreams per year, which is about four per night. The
average person falls asleep in about seven minutes. I would
beg to different just kidding. Some nights as hard man.
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Most streams do happen during REM sleep, which is when
our brain waves apparently tend to be particularly active. And
in total, people sleep the equivalent of about one hundred
and twenty two days per year. So some quick math,
that's almost exactly a third. Holy shit, it is a leap.
It is exactly the three. What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's why I think you're making it more complicated than
it has to be.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Like, what about a leap year?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Leap eight? Leap years deserve justice? Okay, some people were
born on February twenty nine. They can only celebrate their
birthday every four years, So that's true. Give me some restract.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, I wonder if they just took like, because eight
is third eight hours of sleep, so I think they
probably just they probably just did that a third of
your life.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I was so excited I did math quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All right, I'm with math Honors math over here.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, hey, Eddie, do you want to do the problem
on the board? No, just get the fucking eighth grader
to do it. Man, you know I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, we had one of those in my class too,
or someone younger than us was in my trigonometry class. Wild,
it's wild.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Good for him. I think he ended up working on
Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So yeah, well so he's doing great better than not.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So I was gonna ask the question on the podcast
do animals dream?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And I know for a.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Fact I see my snooz great movie to hangover, But
have you seen a dog dream before?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, when they're just like twitching and like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's a pretty obvious answer. Dogs like to sleep. My
dog likes to Uh. It looks like she rides a
motorcycle in her sleep because she'll like twist her hand
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So we like to think she's riding choppers in her dreams.
So it's curious what animals sleep the most. And the
animal at the top of the list that I found
was Koala's. Koalas actually sleep eighteen to twenty two hours
per day.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Damn. Kind of right around the same same amount of time.
We have brown baths twenty hours per day.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And we got possums or opossums, depending on where you
were raised, they sleep for about eighteen hours per day,
which is a lot. I've actually got to see a
possum and oh my h I scared the crap out
of it because you didn't see me coming and I
snuck up on sleeping.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
No, he was just walking along the fence.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, you caught it during the time. Wow, look at that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, it was away.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Some other notables that Justin was able to find. Dogs
they sleep around ten hours per day, Horses about two
to three elephants around three hours, and then dolphins sleep
for eight hours and actually they let half their brains
sleep out of time. How okay? There If there is
a water animal, a dolphin, perhaps a fish, a shark,
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and they're sleeping and they just flown around, is that
like what I think?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think what's going on is the like the cortex,
like the thinking part of the brains is what sleeps,
but a lot of the brain stem functions they still
go because like sharks need to move to get water
through their gills while they're sleeping, so they still you know,
(18:41):
are moving while they're sleeping, but they're kind of they're
bumping off. And I think, what what dolphins can do?
And at this point I will admit I'm just completely
making this up, but I.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Believe you on I will take nobody else's answer.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
If if truly half of the brain is like shut
off and sleeping, you think would cause some problems. But
you know, there is a huge connection and multiple different
connections in the brain, Like the corpus colossum is a
part of the brain that communicates the most. So I
think essentially it just it lets one side rest but
can still control some of the other sides from the
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side that's still awake. I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But yeah, let's take that.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I mean, I will admit that as a guess.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know, educated guess, yes. Educated.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So one of the things we wanted to talk about
we found fascinating when writing this episode is we wanted
to talk about some of the best ideas that have
ever come from dreams. And this is according to one
of our favorite sources. Give a shout out to Reader's
Digest r d D because we've got so much of
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our sources from Readers Digest, but they actually were able
to cite their sources and say where they learned all
this stuff. So I liked this article like that Einstein's
theory of relativity, so that came to him in a dream,
which is pretty fascinating. One of the most influential scientific
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theories and equations ever in human history. One of the
best ways that I've heard that he described it was
like touching a hot stove feels like it lasts forever,
but touching a beautiful woman feels like it only lasts
a split second. And that's basically the theory of relativity.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Einstein, You dirty dog, dirty dirty. Next, we have the
periodic table of elements from Dmitri Mandliev got that one right.
I'd been working on how to classify the elements for
three days, so he decided to sleep on it, and
when he woke he wrote this in his diary. I
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saw in a dream a table where all the elements
fell into place as required awakening. I immediately wrote it
down on a piece of paper. Men Leive then wrote
more in his diary, only in one place did action
later seemed necessary wild He woke up and got the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Up next, we have the sewing machine, which the inventor,
I'm sure you already know this is Elias Howe. He
had a dream about being attacked by cannibals and at
the same time he was trying to figure out how
to make a sewing machine actually work. And so then
the spears of the cannibals helped him realize that he
needed to have the thread of the needle will go
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through the needle itself, and that's how he came up
with the needle for the sewing machine.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
All right, I'll tell you alrighty good for him?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, hell yeah. Next, we have the model of the atom.
So you know that typical picture of Adam that we
think with the big spheres around it by string like electrons,
that's Neil's boor he got that from his.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dream, Yes, he was like science and physics people tend
to get a lot of their best ideas from dreams,
but also musicians such as Paul McCartney and when he
was at the Beatles, he wrote the song Yesterday and
apparently he woke up from a dream with the tune
in his head. He didn't have the lyrics yet, so
(22:12):
he actually came up with those later, which I would
say is arguably the best part of that song. But yeah,
the tune came to him in a dream.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Isn't that why.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The book Frankenstein written by Mary Shelley, she got the
idea from Frankenstein from a lucid dream that she had.
Lucid dreaming, right, is that when you're like a sleep
but then like you can kind of control what's going
on in your dream. Am I making that up? Or
is that something different?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's absolutely a lucid dream where you can control the dream.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I used to get those all the time, but I
haven't too much lately, so hoping they come back because
they're a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
There's something else about Frankenstein and Mary Shelley that like
they tried not giving her credit for it is how
it was because like a woman, Yeah, and she was
like really young at the time compared to like when
I was written, Like there was there's something I remember
listening to a podcast that basically talked about like the
actual history of Frankenstein, and they were basically just trying
(23:09):
to discredit, like there's no way a woman could have
written this, by God, but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're looking it up, just googling it quickly. Yeah, she
did publish it anonymously, oh yeah, credited later in a
French translation, but not seeing any misogynist reasons as of
yet here.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
We could just assume the misogyny. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean it was eighteen twenty, so clearly there
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Be some misogyny.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Which is your reminder to locate or donate to your
local women's fund. Next up, we have the song I
Can't Get No Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones and Keith Richards,
the guitar player for The Stones, in an NPR interview said,
I go to bed as usual with my guitar. I
(24:05):
wake up the next morning and I see that the
tape is run to the very end, and I think, well,
I didn't do anything. Maybe I hit a button while
I was asleep, So I put it back to the
beginning push play, and there, in some sort of ghostly version,
is the opening lines to satisfaction. It was a whole
verse of it. And after that there's forty minutes to
(24:27):
be snoring, and then there's the song in its embryo,
and I actually dreamt the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Where did you get that clip of the interview?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh? You know that was that was from the NPR
clip at the interview itself.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So yeah, wow, that's so cool that we could do
the clip the audio in our podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It sounds a lot younger than he does, but I
love it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh yeah, Oh was it Darlin? Who was the one
that was on like the galopokos? Darling, let's go, I
just be remembering shit sometimes, shout out mister lewis my
biology teacher anyway, So well, darn takes most Darwin takes
most of the credit. There's a man named Alfred Russell
(25:10):
who's part of it? And it was in a dream
that he realized that species evolved to fit their environment.
Was it finches on the Galapagos? Or am I making
that part up?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You're absolutely right, it's finches and iguana's.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Knowledge all right, now, it.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Don't mean a trivia shade you here. Do you remember
the name of his boat that he traveled on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, the fucking uh uh ss Eileen close.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's Club HMS Beagle. And also something that I've heard
about Darwin was that he had terrible gas like.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He was.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I might want to look this on up. Okay, Darwin,
word for it? Man, Did Darwin have gas? Oh? Alright, well,
even according to Google AI, there is no specific evidence
that he had gas in the common sense of them.
(26:18):
So don't believe everything you hear out there, kids, Darwin
was not a gassy man.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I didn't think that ten minutes ago, but now I
have now have my doubts he might have been.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So now the real most important discovery ever from a
dream was the author Stephanie Meyer came up with the
Twilight series from her dream. So she had a dream
where two young lovers were sitting in a meadow and
the boy was shimmering in the sunlight. The boy wanted
(26:53):
to love the girl, but he also wanted to eat
the girl, and that led to seventy million copies of
the book being sold.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And three hundred and eighty million.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Dollars of ticket sales at the box office. So thank
you Dreams. Thank you Stephanie Meyer. You're doing the Lord's
work out there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I have to tell you something about Twilight. Okay. There's
this like butterfly effect discussion that pops up on Reddit
like every six months, and so this is okay, so
let me okay. Basically nine to eleven led to fifty
(27:32):
Shades of Gray Twilight and my chemical romance. Have you
ever heard this?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I have not, but now you got me.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm curious, So okay, I found one on here that
I think explains this. I'll do my best to like
to go okay. So, basically, fifty Shades of Gray started
out as a self insert like a fan fiction of Twilight.
So Twilight caused fifty Shades of Gray. Basically, the E. L. James,
(28:01):
the author, wrote a fan fiction involving Edward Like as
the main character, but Like turned it into Christian Gray
or whatever his name was, and it became very popular,
and it was you know, edited to kind of take
out the Twilight references, but it was That's basically how
fifty Shays a Great came. But Stephanie Meyer wrote Twilight
(28:25):
because she was inspired by her own crush of Gerard Way,
who was the lead singer of My Chemical Romance. Right,
that's kind of where that started. But fifty Shades of
Gray was created because he was living in New York
City when nine to eleven happened, and to help him
process the trump and the grief of living through that event,
he began writing songs and then formed the band later
(28:48):
My Chemical Romance.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's all connected love Triangle for the Stars.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I got nothing else after that, No, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh, I guess we do have a quick discussion question
that I wanted to mention too, that a lot of
sleep medicines prevent your brain from entering rem sleep. They
change your sleep architecture. So if there's a way to
fall asleep without medicines, that tends to be the preferred way.
A lot of people really rely on them, and a
lot of people can't sleep without them. But so much
(29:28):
of our society and our culture these days is bad
for our sleeps, bad for our sleep. That we work
too hard, we drink too much caffeine throughout the day,
we're stressed, we're on our phones at night, we're on screens.
There is some thought it's nearly impossible to measure this,
but it seems like people are dreaming less because we're
sleeping less. We tend to have more rem sleep towards
(29:49):
the end of our sleep cycle.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Two.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And so the fact that we all are all sleeping
less collectively, we're getting less quality of sleep and getting
less rempsleep that we might be dreaming less. And so
so that might be why we are not solving the
world's problems anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Who knows? It could be we're not spending the third
of the day sleeping. Yeah. I'm actually giving a health
class presentation tomorrow about social media, Internet and internet, social
media and phone use, and part of it is talking
about like loss of sleep because of it. Yeah, it's
impacting a lot of people. Okay, before we leave, I
(30:25):
have to ask you this because when you put dreams
on here, I figured i'd ask a medical doctor. Have
you ever heard of when people if you drink apple
juice or eat an apple before you go to sleep.
You have vivid dreams because of one of the chemicals
that's in the apple.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yes, yeah, there's certain foods that you can eat, Yeah,
can influence this the kind of intensity of your dreams.
Plus certain foods can also make you more likely to
have lucid dreams too.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So yeah, this shit's real. I've done it before. Crazy
wild Yeah, dreams that I've had when I like drink
apple just before going to sleep.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, for some reason, pizza gives me weird dreams too.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Oh I have to try that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I've just got to eat a bunch of pizza before.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
But yeah, Well, to all our listeners, we hope you're
able to get some good sleep tonight and you're able
to have a dream. And feel free to let us
know if you remember your dream, because I know sometimes
people have a hard time remembering their dreams. As always,
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever else you get your podcasts. You
can find us on there on social media at Millennial
MHC and Millennial millennialimah dot com. Feel free to follow us, like, subscribe,
(31:38):
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appreciate you guys listening. We enjoy it a lot. We
enjoy all the comments and messages and stuff we get.
So thank you so much for falling along. Shout out
to my students. I never told you this. I finally
told my students that we have a podcast. Shout out.
If you're listening and you made it to the end,
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as always, take care of all mentals.
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