Life Lessons in Overcoming Adversity

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Life's defining moments happen at the crossroads of adversity. When faced with challenges, do we surrender to circumstances or transform them into fuel for our journey forward?

This episode dives deep into the psychology of resilience through personal stories and practical wisdom. We explore how a young athlete's demotion to the B-team became a powerful life lesson about proving your worth through actions rather than complaints. This microcosm of character development reveals the same pattern seen in champions across every field – they didn't succeed despite adversity; they succeeded because of it.

We tackle the uncomfortable truth about business success and personal achievement: if someone is getting results you aren't, they're doing something you're not. This brutal honesty frames our discussion about working smart versus working hard, filtering advice from the right people, and recognizing when well-meaning voices become distracting noise rather than helpful guidance.

The conversation takes fascinating turns through memory psychology, business leadership challenges, and the temporal nature of our problems – how today's overwhelming crisis often becomes tomorrow's forgotten footnote. We share vulnerable moments from our own entrepreneurial journeys, including near-business collapse during COVID and the constant feeling of not progressing quickly enough despite outsized efforts.

Whether you're facing rejection, business challenges, parenting dilemmas, or personal setbacks, this episode offers both the tough love and practical mindset shifts needed to transform adversity from something that happens to you into something that happens for you. The choice in those pivotal moments determines not just what you achieve, but who you become.

Episode Transcript

Robby (00:00):
Rollin', rollin' rollin'.
If you see the red square turnoff on your camera, just let me
know.

George (00:05):
Red square Fuck On the screen.
You want me to put my glasseson?

Robby (00:09):
Massive screen, massive screen what's?

George (00:13):
Oh, that one down there.
No on the screen, oh mate it'sasking a lot, asking a lot.

Robby (00:18):
Sorry, yeah, why don't you turn it?

George (00:21):
on.
Hello Welcome, greetings andsalutations Cool.
Oh, is that it?
He's not staying?
No, no.

Robby (00:35):
Go work.
Someone's got to All right.

George (00:38):
Thanks, sam.
Yeah, so I was saying my songot into the head football
triads and then he got into theB team and he's an A-grade
player.
Then he got into the B team andhe's an A grade player, but he
got into the B team and he'spretty bummed about it.
I was like, good, good, I'mglad you got into the B team,
show them what you're made of.
But you know how adversity canoften bring people down or not.
So sort of focusing theconversation around that.

(01:01):
Oh we're not rolling.
No, no, no, no.

Robby (01:04):
Oh, no, no I wasn't talking now.
I'll go into a bit more detail.
Yeah, cool, let's go.

George (01:09):
Yeah.

Robby (01:10):
Let's go.

George (01:11):
Yeah sick.
So I want to open with lastepisode I mentioned that you
were a really bad podcaster, andthis episode I want to open up
with saying that you're probablythe best podcaster.

Robby (01:24):
Look, you're sending mixed signals.

George (01:27):
No, you know, I just wanted to reiterate that because
you know it obviously wasn'ttrue what I was saying.
I think you are the best,better than me.

Robby (01:36):
I appreciate that.

George (01:37):
And I just want to reiterate that.

Robby (01:39):
I did cry for seven nights Until this moment, since
that podcast came out From thenuntil this one.
Make me happy Every singlenight.
Yeah, I think that took somepeople back.
What's up, George?

George (01:54):
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed, I don't know.
Woke up on the wrong side ofthe bed.
Yeah Well, I mean, it's veryrelevant in life Negativity and
what's it called, scarcity,mindsets, all that sort of stuff
.
About three weeks ago I wascoming home.

(02:14):
My son was playing football.
He's very good at football.
He's definitely in the top fiveplayers in our local club team
which I coach Not being biased,but he's definitely there Just
before you go on to this wholething.

Robby (02:29):
Do you reckon you're biased?

George (02:32):
In far as how good he is .
No no, if he was shit, I'd tellhim.
I would say no, he's no good.
No no, but do you think he so Ithink he's a better footballer
than he is a basketballer.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, so I look at him playingbasketball.
He's not the best person on theteam, maybe when he was younger
he's very naturally gifted atsports, yep.
And now what's happened is alot of the kids have caught up
because they've gotten older,stronger, faster, and then he's

(02:54):
sort of come down a little bitin that regard.
So he hasn't maintained thatlevel.
So I've definitely seen that,even in the football team.
But he's definitely in the topfive because he plays, he trains
well like, he tries, he wantsto get better.
So he actually is gettingbetter each and every time.

Robby (03:08):
Yeah, so okay, because I've seen you know how every
parent says my baby's cute, I'mnot that.

George (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Robby (03:16):
No, but I've seen it happen with sports as well.
Like my son's a gun footyplayer.
Yeah, yeah, and then you go andyou watch their son and you're
like dude.
I see it a lot with.

George (03:23):
Yeah, and then it's like I don't follow soccer but in
the local soccer club myfamily's involved in it and
whatnot.
There's always kids that gooverseas to a camp to like a man
U camp or Liverpool camp orwhatever, like, oh, my kid's the
next, like your kid's not doingshit, they're not going to get
selected for anything, I know,but I'm just saying a lot of

(03:43):
people, though, think their kidsare a lot better than they are,
and I don't look at it likethat.
If he's no good, like I wouldsay, hey, you need to practice,
you need to be better.
He's not the best, like lastyear.
He's been getting the B and Fevery single year, except last
year he missed out.
I'm like good, you didn'tdeserve it.
Like you got other players gotit.
You should work harder.
You should drive you to adegree.

(04:04):
Anyway, back to what I wassaying Does it drive you?
I feel that it does.
Yeah, I've tried to instillthat in him as well from a young
age.
What happened was at school theywere doing their selections for
the football team.
They had an A and a B team.
The B team obviously the lessskilled players.
Look, they only were assessingthe kids off two trainings.
It was a bit hard for them toget a true grasp on how good all

(04:28):
the kids were, and they did saythere will be movements up and
down once we play a few games.
Anyway, he got into the B teamand I'm like okay, good, I'm
glad.
Now it's up to you to show themA, that you're good enough, or
B even just yourself.
Are you good enough?
Do you want to play in the A'sor are you just going to say no?
No, I'm happy with the B's.
What's going to drive you inthis moment?

(04:49):
And he was a little bit bummedthat he didn't get in because he
is a good player, and I said,well cool, now's the opportunity
.
Now you're the one that needsto show them that you need to be
going and stepping up.
So the last few weeks isbecause I coach him at local
football too, and his team andthis is outside with his school
sorry, just to clarify, it's hisschool team and he's been doing
it.
He's been practicing, he's beentraining hard, he's in games.

(05:11):
Like the coach one day said tohim, he goes if any of you want
to have a chat with me on howyou can do better and be better,
and he's like, yep, cool.
He went up to the coach at theend of training, said yes, what
do I need to do?

Robby (05:20):
so you're not.
You're not the coach.

George (05:22):
No, this is for his school now.
Sorry, Just to clarify.
So he's school selection, notthe club selection, which is the
local footy.

Robby (05:29):
He's not playing local footy, he's playing local footy
as well.

George (05:31):
So he's playing local footy and he's playing it with a
school team, okay, but I waspicturing, oh sorry, yeah, yeah,
sorry, it wasn he'd be in theA's.
That would have completelypredicted my first question yeah
, so no, it is for school.
It was for school.
Yeah, so he got into the B'sand now last night I come home,

(05:51):
he's like Dad, I'm like whathe's like guess what?
I said what he's like got intothe A's and I'm like, yes, you
fucking this bullshit, I shouldbe in that A's.
I can't believe they dropped meand just been pissed off, had a
bad attitude, not supportive,none of that shit.

(06:11):
Or you can go okay, great, well, I'm going to do the best I can
possibly do and I'm going toshow them that I'm good enough
to be playing in the A's and Igo.
It doesn't just start with yourskills.
There's a whole range of thingsthat they're going to look at
as a coach.
This is what I would look at ifI was their coach.
I'd be looking at attitude, I'dbe looking at leadership.
I'd be looking at are youlistening when the coach is

(06:32):
talking?
Are you mucking around?
Are you there to play?
Are you there to win?
These are things that will allcontribute.
I said you need to show that toyour coaches, that you're
willing and wanting to play.
He was able to do that and hegot into the A team, or he said
he got into the A's last nightand it got me thinking like I've
seen so many instances, andespecially with the young kids.

(06:55):
When I was two weeks ago we gotpumped by like 50 points the
kids did and it's funny, it'slike at halftime the body
language with all the childrenthey're like their heads are
down.
It's like they didn't want tobe there.
They knew they were gettingpumped.
It was hard game.
They couldn't get the ball,they couldn't get clean kicks.
The other team was just muchbetter than them.

(07:15):
I said to them I said do youguys want to go home?
Should I go walk over to thecoach and say, listen, we've had
enough guys, you've clearly wonthis?
And said listen, we've hadenough guys, you've clearly won
this is you?
coaching.
Yeah, this was me coaching.
I was saying this to about 18,20 kids.
I said should I walk over tothe coach and say we give up?
They're all like, oh, no, no,no.
I said okay, good, because youhaven't lost.
Yes, you're 50 points down.
Cool, come back, Go and win thequarter.

(07:38):
Just start there, Just win thequarter.
I got their spirits up a littlebit more and took it from there
, but it was a really goodlesson for them.
They got kicked in the face.
Metaphorically, they werekicked in the face.
So you didn't kick them in theface.
No, I didn't, I wanted tobecause they weren't fucking
listening.
They weren't taking the coach'sdirection, Obviously.
That's why they lost.

(07:58):
Nothing to do with me.

Robby (08:00):
Can't have a current affair.
Come and knock on their door,so like kicking 10-year-olds.

George (08:03):
We've said worse things than that.
Yes, than kicking 10-year-olds,have we?
Yeah, I reckon, I reckon wehave Hopefully.
Yeah, I hope so.
I hope I've upset a lot ofpeople.
So it was good to see no, andlike the heads were down, but it

(08:28):
did bring me back to thinkingokay, well, that happens to you
as a kid, it keeps happening toyou.
You keep losing, you keeplosing.
How do you grow up?
What happens when you lose whenyou grow up?
How do people combat that?
And why do?
When you see championschampions are champions because
they've gone through difficultthings and come out on top.
It's not because they just keptwinning and no one ever beat

(08:49):
them.
There's always a champion thathas a story of how it was really
hard, how he never had a home,they didn't have any weight, so
he had to pick up bricks, Likethere was things that they had
to overcome to become a champion.
And, yeah, it was just aninteresting scenario to see him
go through it.
But then also think about well,how do adults go through this

(09:10):
too?
yeah, adversity is a privilegeyeah, but people don't see it as
that.
It's their it's.
Some people make it their story.
You know it's that's, that'swhat defines them yeah, that's,
it's victim, right?

Robby (09:24):
Yeah, absolutely, it's very victim.
Alex Volkanovski AlexanderVolkanovski, I should call him.
Talk about him like I know him.
Yeah, he won the featherweighttitle back and he said he's like
adversity is a privilege.
He goes, he all ruled me out,he all doubted me, blah, blah,
blah.
He's like adversity is aprivilege because you get the
chance to come back Like you getthe chance to prove everyone

(09:48):
wrong.
It's a privilege, and not justthat.
I think everyone faces somelevel of adversity and you're
probably thinking oh, you know,the prince doesn't apply, they
do, it's just different.
Yeah, like the adversity forthem is the mental battle of I

(10:08):
will never get to Go to Coles.
Yeah, dude, that's real, 100%.
There are people who say Ican't remember who it was.

George (10:16):
Most famous people.
Tell me if Justin Bieber washere and he's like look, I'm
just going to go to Coles andget some milk.

Robby (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, can't do that .
You can't do that.
It's like I cannot.
It might have been Mbappe thesoccer player, the French dude,
and he's like I hate that Ican't walk down the street.
Yeah, like it absolutelybothers me that I can't just go
and have dinner, like you know,in a public place.
Yeah, because we get bombardedA hundred.

George (10:39):
Can I take a photo?
Can I take a photo, like everytime you go and pick up?
That would be annoying,absolutely.
It would be Absolutely.
Can you imagine episode 200when we can't walk down the
street?
Yeah, no one knows us Can'twalk down the street now, shit,
oh, can I just say somethingfunny Just on that?
I was at a cafe this morning.
I went to a construction site.

(10:59):
I was at a cafe there on acomputer and like bro, if you're
listening to this, I'm sorryhe's, he's on a computer, he's
there.
He's like george, george, andlike I turn around, he's like oh
, hey, man, how are you like?
Yeah, good, yourself, as theysaid.
It's like yeah, it's good.
I said, oh, do you keep himbusy?
He's like yeah, yeah, yeah,going well, going well, just
doing a bit of quoting and stufflike that.

(11:20):
I had no idea who this guy was.
Man, no idea, no idea.
Even like Angelo was with me,shook his hand, said hey, g'day,
how you going, blah, blah, blah.
Grabbed our coffee, grabbedsomething to eat and then left
Say, cool, man, good to see you,take care.
Walked out.
I got Angelo, I go.
I got no idea who that was.

Robby (11:41):
No idea, okay, okay so you left without knowing who
that was, I left without knowingwho that was.

George (11:46):
But the way he was talking to me is like I knew him
for 10 years.
So who's the fault?
I'm guessing he's come I don'tknow.
I mean, I could have asked, Icould have said hey, sorry man,
I've got no idea who you are.
But then it's a little bitembarrassing too.
What if I should know who he is?

Robby (12:00):
Okay, one time I was going to Cairns, I think, and I
got out of the airport.
I got out of the taxi at theairport Uber Taxi, please Come
on Got out of the Uber at theairport and a guy I used to work
with was there and I looked upand I recognized him.

(12:21):
I looked at him you know when hetakes a moment and he looked,
looked at me and I could tell herecognized me and I'm thinking,
where do I know him?
And then, oh, yes, hey man, howare you?
Blah, blah, blah.
And then he shook my hand andhe spoke for like 30 seconds and
then he goes remind me, man,where do I know you from?
Yeah, what you asshole, what doyou mean?

(12:47):
Like we, you've been talking tome, yeah, um, and I said, dude,
we used to work together.
He goes oh, that's right,jealous, craig, yeah, and I'm
like, yes, like this guy.

George (12:51):
Yeah, um, anyway, yeah, so that happens to me quite
often, though, and my wifealways laughs, like when I tell
her it's like we'll walk pasthey george, how are you?
It's like I go to.
I've got no idea who that was,because I get a lot of people
coming to a fence.
I just To a fence.
Events, not a fence.
No events, events.
So a lot of them from events.
Some people just follow andlook at me and they think they

(13:14):
may have commented on a pictureand I respond.
They're like oh yeah, I'm theguy you know, funky pants 84.

Robby (13:21):
And it's like Do you reckon, um, okay, that's a
question for you do you thinkthat it is a them thing or a you
thing?

George (13:29):
because you just said it happens a lot it's probably a
me thing from the perspective ofI can't.
I just can't retain people'snames like that, even faces.
No, that's the thing.
It wasn't even a familiar face,like I didn't know this guy,
like I didn't know him wellenough, if I don't know him well
enough by face, by name thing.
It wasn't even a familiar face,like I didn't know this guy,
like I didn't know him wellenough, if I don't know him well
enough by face, by name, bynothing.
He didn't even look familiar tome.

Robby (13:51):
But don't you think someone who because, like, I
just got off a call with a ladybefore and she goes I remembered
her.
She came to an event, I spoketo her at the event and she said
I'm not ready now, but when I'mready I'll get in touch.
And I said sure, and then shegot in touch.
Awesome, and I recall.
Yeah, so good.
And I called her and she's likeI don't know if you can
remember me, but I met you at anevent, blah, blah, blah.
And I said I do.
I recall we spoke at the backof the room and she's like oh,

(14:19):
wow, don't get anyone coming tome saying, acting like they know
me from an event, Like peoplewill say I saw you live, Perhaps
, perhaps, Blah, blah, blah.
But if they come and they saylike hey, George man, how you
doing, how you been, thereprobably is an element of that
too, Like it could be.

George (14:33):
I often happen to say from example it'll be a
subcontractor that works for me,It'll be his employee.
So it's like I don't know them,but I know them.
Do you know what I mean?
They're never gonna remember.
That's what I mean.
Like I don't remember, and Iget that happen a fair bit too.
And I heard, I read somewherethat you can only remember like
100 or 200 people or somethinglike it's a whole village

(14:55):
mentality you can remember yourvillage of about.
You know 200 people, theirnames, who they are, what they
do, something like that I thinkit's 150 people, yeah.

Robby (15:03):
1,500 faces yeah.
So it's something like that.

George (15:06):
There is that thing, and I reckon I'm capped at that
because I've hit that threshold.
Dude, don't be the 151, becausethen you're fucked.
I just won't remember itbecause I've got so much going
through my head at any givenmoment that it's like that's
fake though, that that's old.

Robby (15:21):
I don't know, it probably is, but I'm putting my hat on
you, reckon you don't know morethan 150 people that you can
name.
No, I probably could.

George (15:30):
I probably could, but there's got to be a threshold.
There's got to be the 184th,like someone there, I don't
remember you.
It's got to get to a point andit's not like I've seen this
person for a while 's gonesideways but it's not like.
Obviously I haven't seen thisguy.
Often don't know who he is like, didn't recognize a face.
So there is a level of thatsomewhere.
Who knows?

Robby (15:51):
do.
Yeah, I'm trying to work out.
If it's a like, whose side isit on?
Like, are people approaching ina way they shouldn't, or
potentially not recallingconversations that you should.

George (16:05):
Don't know.
Yeah, of course you don't know.
I don't know.
I reckon I mean, if it wasmeaningful, we wouldn't be
talking about it.
Yeah, but if the guy had enoughof an impact on me in that
moment that we spoke, surely Iwould have remembered him.
Yeah, that's fair call.
Do you know what I mean?
Otherwise, it was probably justanother conversation.
Or maybe I was like he was withsomeone.
Mean, otherwise it was probablyjust another conversation, or
maybe I was like he was withsomeone, like there's got to be

(16:26):
something.
He, he must have been.
I don't think he was anemployee.
He must have been a boss ofsome sort, because he had his
laptop there and he was workingat a cafe.
So I'm guessing he was abusiness owner of some sort.
Anyway, we're not going tofigure it out here.
Yeah, how?

Robby (16:39):
are you going to handle that in future?
Are you just going to do thatevery time?
Most yeah to be honest.

George (16:45):
There is a lot of you out there that come up to me and
say, george, how are you, howyou been?
You'd start like.
You talk to me, like I know youand I've got, I'm just polite.
I'm polite like good man has afamily.
You're good, I like your dog.
That's a cute dog.
How long you had that for?
Haven't seen you for ages.
Look, I gotta go.

Robby (17:01):
But great chat, let's catch up soon, yeah call me,
because I can't call you,because I've got no idea who you
are.

George (17:09):
No, people will start calling me out on that and
they'll just go.
You don't know who I am, do you?
I'll say no.

Robby (17:13):
Well, you know what?
If you listen to this and yousee George, and you say hey.
And he says hey, say what's myname.
Yeah, straight up.

George (17:21):
Yeah, Just say what's my name.

Robby (17:23):
Moon Bucks.
What's my avian?
I'll probably remember that youknow, and just quiz him and see
if he can see if he recalls,see if he matter, See if he
matter shit.

George (17:39):
Here's the thing like you meet so many people, so many
faces, so many hands you shakeso many people you speak to on a
day-to-day basis.
I don't know I think it's how Imanaged to do so much.
It's because I obviously don'tretain an important information.
I don't mean this as anoffensive thing to anyone.
If I don't remember, you, don'ttake it personally.
I think it's just okay.

(17:59):
That transaction of me talkingto you for 30 seconds is done
and it's gone.
Now I need to focus on the nextthing, or I need to focus on
this.
I need to focus on this.
Maybe it's a level of that.

Robby (18:09):
Yeah, I think there's two sides to it.
I, I personally, I don'tbelieve.
I think memory is less aboutretention and more about
attention.

George (18:20):
Yes, yeah, I think I could definitely be more
attentive at things like that,for sure, yes, I think I could
definitely be more attentive atthings like that.

Robby (18:24):
For sure, I think most people like don't remember stuff
and it's like you weren'tpaying attention.
Yeah, I agree, do you know whatI mean?
There was this one time Becauseyou know that whole thing about
the money Like, have you heardthe concept of?
Oh, I don't remember people'snames?

George (18:34):
Even you say this on stage as soon as I meet you, you
become bro pal yeah keep yourname tag on Most people, that
rule applies to them.

Robby (18:45):
Yeah, oh God, I forget names.
I forget names.
It's like, hey, george, you'regoing to meet five people in the
next five minutes.
If you remember all five names,I'm going to give you a million
bucks.
Yeah, you're going to rememberall five names 100% yeah 100%.

George (19:00):
Because all of a sudden, you're like exactly what I was
going to say.
Next, I went to my son'sorientation because he started a
new school.
This was earlier in the year.
It was parents there, people hewas going to be in class with.
I thought, all right, I'm goingto make a conscious effort to
remember everyone's name that Imeet.

(19:21):
I don't know why I did it.
I just thought I'm going tomake the conscious effort.
We're going to be around thesepeople every now and then I'm
going to try and remember aboutthe very least You're going to
be able to say hey, gary, yeah,exactly right, that's what I did
.
I went through and I was likeevery time I shook someone's
hand and like, hi, it's likehe's like, hey, I'm name.
And, funny enough, one of theguys was Travis.
Shout out to Travis, shout outto Trav, anyway, but it's funny

(19:50):
because it also left an impacton them and they remembered me
because I was engaging in theconversation, I was asking
questions about them and it waslike, okay, there's a level here
of us connecting and meremembering these people.
And that's the one and onlytime I met that bloke and I
still remember his name, andthere were others there too.

(20:10):
But yeah, I made that consciouseffort and I think more often
than not I don't make thatconscious effort unless I need
to.
So yeah, I do believe.
I think it's a very good skillIf you can remember and retain
people's names and just thingsabout them.
I think that's a reallypowerful skill in the future,

(20:32):
for sure.

Robby (20:32):
Yeah, I also think you can't do it for everyone.
Yeah, exactly right, I canremember particular things about
particular people.
That's like like I can tell youthe birthday of someone that I
worked with at a course in eightyears ago.
Yeah, right, yeah.

George (20:49):
There you go.
Weird shit like that.
Something stuck about it.

Robby (20:52):
Yeah.

George (20:52):
Just like About that person, about that date yeah,
something happened on theirbirthday, yeah.

Robby (20:57):
And I can like, I'll recall, like that date.

George (20:59):
Yeah.

Robby (21:00):
It's imprinted in my brain forever.

George (21:04):
Yeah, well, very sideways that conversation, we
were talking about adversity.
So, to bring it back, have youbeen through times where it
could have been?
You could have gone one way orthe other.

Robby (21:19):
All the time?

George (21:20):
Yeah.
Do you want to share an example?
Yesterday?
Okay, go for it.
I walked into your office, ohyeah.

Robby (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Do you want to share an exampleYesterday?
Okay, go for it.

George (21:26):
I walked into your office.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,absolutely.
Do you want to share that story?
I could Sure Without detailsDetails Without specifics sorry,
yeah.

Robby (21:36):
So and really cool story, by the way, because I think
it's applicable to everyone-yeah, everyone, yeah, so I, I I
think there's a lot of peoplecan relate to this but I
constantly feel like, and Iconstantly feel like I should be
further along, constantly, likealways, always, always.
And I saw a really cool posttoday by andy frisella that said

(21:57):
if you feel like you shouldalways be further along than
what you are, you're on on theright path.
I like that.
That's cool.
We can talk about timing, butyeah, I constantly feel like I'm
further along.
And so many times I see, if yousaid to me like, do you think
you're a smart bloke?

(22:17):
I do.
I think I'm smart.
I constantly update myknowledge.
I'm always learning new stuff.
I have a really good way ofcritically thinking about things
.
I'm not a fucking idiot.

George (22:28):
Put simply, I'm not saying I'm a genius, but I'm not
an idiot and you're apractitioner in the sense that
you put in the work.

Robby (22:35):
Yes, I do the?

George (22:36):
do you work on Sundays?
You work late on a day.
You're here early.
So yes, there's that element ofit as well.
I think that's important too.

Robby (22:45):
That's another factor.
Like I feel like I Outworkpeople, yeah, I feel like I work
more.
And then I go and hear a storyabout someone who just made half
a million bucks and I'm like,wow, yeah, like you know what I
mean and it's like full creditto the person who's winning.
Like full credit, yeah,absolutely.
But it just makes me think,like what the fuck am I doing?

(23:08):
Like this person who?
Not that I'm better than anyoneelse, but if I had to choose
who I thought was smarter, Iwould definitely say me yeah, if
you were picking a team and youhad to pick yourself.

George (23:19):
But the scoreboard says otherwise.

Robby (23:20):
Because it's like I'm saying I'm the better player,
but the scoreboard they'rebeating me If you take that as a
scoreboard, which I thinkpersonally in the world of
business money is a scoreboard.
It's a very you're in businessmost of the time to make money.

George (23:36):
Yeah, okay.
So then let's be reallycritical of yourself.
Yeah, okay.
So what do you think you're notdoing?
Is there something that you'renot doing, then?
Because we mentioned it theother day, I go, well, what?
Okay, because this person wasin a completely different field
of business, yeah, and I said,well, there's-.

Robby (23:56):
It's not necessarily about this particular-.
No, that's right.

George (24:00):
Yeah, it happens all the time you look at those certain
things, and I've done.
The same thing, man, I'm overthe hill.
I the same thing, man, I'm overthe hill I'm fucked.
I'm 40.
And I still have thisconversation with myself.
But then it's like oh look,people look at me and go, fuck,
I wish, I wish I could be.
I can't wait to be where youare one day.
I'm like, okay, thank you, butis that like me Again?

(24:22):
Five years ago, if you lookedat yourself and where you are
today and what you're doingtoday, you know be like fuck,
that's, that'd be sick 100 sothere's a couple things.
A do you, do you just sort ofbring it back down to reality
and go okay, there's a level ofum just always sorry.

(24:42):
What's a saying?
Go um always grateful, neversatisfied.
No, okay, so yeah is.
Is there something, then, thatyou're not doing?
Yeah there has to be.
That's what I mean.
Yeah, because I look at it tooand I compare myself to say
somewhere in the country is thebest builder making the most
money?
And it's not me, Do you know,what I mean, do you?

Robby (25:04):
think the best builder makes the most money.

George (25:07):
No, not always.
Yes, actually, good point.
But somewhere in the countrythere's a builder making the
most money yes, yes, the mostLike he's number one.
Yeah, and I'm not number one,and that annoys me and I'm like
well, what's he Like?
I think I'm smarter.
And again, I haven't met thisperson, whoever it is, whoever's
at number one.
I think I'm better.
I think I'm smarter.
I think I'll outwork them.

(25:29):
I'm better at what I do.
I teach other builders Likewhere's the break, Where's it go
?
Boom, you're now number one.
What am I doing wrong?

Robby (25:40):
So clearly, again I'm doing something wrong, yeah, but
then so two things.
One, I don't let myself go tothe, but you know what?
Like you, what was I doingyesterday when you were walking
out?

George (25:56):
Working.

Robby (25:57):
No, what was I doing?
Think about it carefully.

George (25:59):
Oh, you were sitting there pondering.

Robby (26:00):
Yeah, sitting not at my desk, not at your desk, away
from your desk.

George (26:03):
On another chair Staring at my desk, looking at the desk
.

Robby (26:05):
Yeah.

George (26:06):
You're ready to fly, kick it or something.

Robby (26:08):
Yeah, I'm trying to work out what I'm doing wrong and I
don't go into a place in thatparticular situation.
Pain moves you.
Yeah, you weren't feeling sorryfor yourself.
I wasn't feeling sorry formyself, I was trying to sit in
it.
So it bothers me enough tofucking do something about it,
because you're either going todo something about it or not.
Right, and it's.
It has to be something you'redoing, like, especially in my

(26:30):
case, like I sit there, likeit's going to be something I'm
doing and it's not the.
I know people who've never reada book in their life and
probably yeah.
And it's like, okay, that's notto say don't read books, but
it's to say okay, but it's tosay okay, cool, that's not the

(26:53):
thing that's going to, that'snot the thing you're spending
time on.
The wrong action Do you knowwhat I mean?
And it's like, okay, cool,what's the right action?
Because, at the end of the day,the results, the result how you
get there is relevant as longas you're not doing anything
that's outside of your moral andethical framework.
The results, the result.

George (27:11):
And if someone's getting a result that you're not, they
are clearly doing something, youaren't.
It was funny.
I saw this video yesterday andI was going to send it to you
because, again, it was on thetopic of what we were talking
about yesterday and it wassaying how, oh, this lady was on
there and she's saying oh, thisis what I do and this is how I
make six figures a month.
And she starts saying she goes.
I'm not just to clarify, I'mnot selling you a course, I'm
not telling you to do anything.
I'm just telling you my storyand what I've done to get out of
where I was.
And now I'm the provider for myfamily and I do this and I do

(27:34):
this.
And she starts going off intothe.
I do ads for people, I do this.
I've learned this from YouTube.
I went and blah, blah, blah,blah, blah now anyway.
So what's the differencebetween what she's doing and
what you're doing from a digitalad perspective?
Because that's what she wasprimarily saying.

(27:54):
She goes I create ads forpeople, make them hundreds of
thousands of dollars and, as aresult, they pay me hundreds of
thousands of dollars Not justone person, multiple people per
month and she goes.
This is a way I'm going to showyou, because you can go and do
it too, but you just need toself-educate and do this and do
this and do this.
I should have probably sent itto her.
What was her name?
I have no idea.
I don't think she was aninfluencer of any sort.

(28:17):
She was just telling her storyand how she did it.
She goes I'm not selling youshit.
I'm just telling you which is astrategy.
It could very well be, but shedidn't have anything to sell.

Robby (28:34):
Yeah, no fair.
So she wasn't selling education.

George (28:35):
No, she wasn't selling.
She goes.
I don't educate, Don't call me,don't DM me.
I'm not doing that, I'm justtelling you what I do.
Maybe it was like a rant,because people keep saying, oh,
it's life's hard, I can't makemoney.
She's like I make six figures amonth it was interesting to see
that and then go.

(28:55):
I don't think this woman knowssomething you don't.
Obviously she does, but I don'tthink her ability to do what
you do is any different.
Where's the break?
Where's that difference thatshe's making six and you're at
one?
Do you know what I mean?
Where's that difference thatshe's making six and you're?

Robby (29:13):
at one.
Do you know?

George (29:14):
what I mean.

Robby (29:15):
Where's that difference?
Where's that break?
Yeah, I don't know.

George (29:19):
Is it a matter of you know?
They say that consistency.
It feels like nothing'shappening until everything
happens.

Robby (29:27):
You won't know until it does.

George (29:28):
That's right yeah.

Robby (29:29):
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.

George (29:31):
But you know you giving up or you're not trying new
things, no, that's not even.

Robby (29:34):
That's not, you know, like pick multiple questions A,
b or C.
That's not on the list.

George (29:41):
So you know the other end of the spectrum of what
you're saying.
You know you're trying to usethat adversity.
You're trying to use thatadversity.
You're trying to use that painto propel you forward.
The other thing is it could ownyou and go.
Well, fuck this man.
I could go and make 200 grand.
I'm going to go work for one ofthe leading marketing companies
in the country.
I'm going to go apply for a jobat Meta.
I know their ads inside out.

(30:02):
I know AI.
I know this.
I know this.
I'm going to go get a job atGoogle.
I'll make my 200 grand a year.
Be, done, be comfortable, have acar, get a one and a half
holidays a year, just give up.
Not give up, but not ever havethe yacht, not ever have the

(30:24):
private jet, not ever have thosefancy things.
Just going to live comfortablyand then own that, be your story
and look, not that there'sanything wrong with that.
Yeah, like for people that wantto have that story, you know
you can definitely have that andlive a comfortable life.
But if you do want more and youwant to challenge yourself and
you want to be the best and youwant to be these things, it's
like well, cool, you've got towork for it.
Because here's the other thingthat my son said last night he

(30:52):
goes well and he goes.
I'm a bit nervous now he goesbecause I was the best player in
the B's team.
He goes now I'm not in the A's.
He was like this kid's reallygood, like he's such a good
footballer.
I said good, good Now.
Now's your opportunity tooutwork him, now's your
opportunity to be training withthe best and working with the
best and becoming betteryourself.
And I said this year you're upagainst other players that are
good.
This is at local football.
Now You're up against otherplayers.

(31:12):
If you don't work harder thaneverything and everyone else to
get the kicks, to get the goals,to get this, to get this and to
get the runs on the board,you're not going to be in the
BNF again this year.
You got to work for it.
Some kids yes, they'renaturally talented.
They get that.
But eventually, if they don'tkeep working and keep training
and keep improving themselves,if you just outwork them, you'll

(31:35):
eventually become better.

Robby (31:37):
What's natural talent?

George (31:42):
I don't know, they're just good at it without really
putting in a huge amount ofeffort.
I would say From a sportingperspective I'm talking now
They've just got some skills,Physically, Physically, yeah,
maybe mentally to a degree beingable to run, push harder.
There'd be that element insport.

(32:02):
You reckon mental is In sport,it's out of that Hold on.

Robby (32:07):
You reckon mental is talent.
Do you reckon it's trained?

George (32:12):
No, I think there has to be a level of trained there.

Robby (32:15):
Mental for sure I would say it's 99% trained.

George (32:20):
And this is where I feel I've influenced my son from a
young age, because I've alwaysput this down, his I've always
seeded this with him you wantsomething, go out there, you've
got to work for it.
I can't run for you, I can'tkick for you, I can't yell for
you.
This isn't just in sport.
I'm just using sport as a wayof explaining it, especially for

(32:42):
him, because that's what heloves at the moment.
You want these things, you haveto go out and work for it.
He sees me get up in themorning at 5.30 every day
because he's up early too.
So he sees me getting up everymorning and I'm either going to
the gym or I'm going to work.
So subconsciously that has thatwill have an effect on him.
I remember when my dad wasworking and I was a young kid

(33:04):
and I remember looking outsideand it's dark and he's going to
work.
Fuck, my dad gets up so early.
I can't believe he goes to workat that time.
So that's even been instilledin me from a young age.
But him pushing through thosedifficult things, running harder
something he does, which Ithink he's got some great.
And again, I'm trying to be.

(33:24):
I am unbiased.
I am, but you might not thinkit when people listening to me
talk.
But if he's not good atsomething, I'll tell him.
I said, hey, you're not as goodas this person or you're not
doing these things, so don'texpect the results.
He does things at the games thatshow true leadership, like
he'll tell.
He goes around and he tries toencourage people Come on, guys,
we got this.

(33:45):
He'll do pushups.
If he does a bad kick attraining whereas none of these
other kids do that, he'll pullother kids up and say listen up
when they're not listening, hegoes listen up, guys.
I can see he's got thoseleadership skills, which
obviously gets from me being thecoach, but also me being his
dad.
He's seen me on stages talkingin front of people.
That influence has definitelybeen on him and, let's say,

(34:08):
trained him mentally, becausethe other kids are not mentally
tough like that and he goes inunder the ball like he's a very
hard ball, get type kid andagain, I'm trying to translate
that sporting element into hislife moving forward as well.
And you can see it, some kidsdon't have that.
Yeah, it's got to happen.
I think it needs to happenyoung.

(34:29):
If you can instill that from ayoung age it's easier, like I
don't.
Did you have it as a young kid?
What Do you think?
You were mentally tough or didyou play any sports or anything
like that as a young kid or doanything that was hard Like
chess?
Yeah, I mean maybe there's anelement of that.

(34:51):
Do you play?
Sport, but like, not at a highlevel no, but even you can be
putting in a huge effort at alow level sports club even I.

Robby (35:03):
I never saw it like that.
I used to have fun yeah, it wasfun.
I used to enjoy it yeah, so Inever saw it as oh man the grind
.

George (35:13):
Yeah, I think I was like that as well up until about the
mid-teens.
I was under 15s, under 16s, andwe started to do proper
pre-seasons.
That made you throw up.

Robby (35:24):
Yeah, we used to then train.

George (35:25):
I remember under 16s we used to train with the seniors
for a little bit and it's likeman.
I remember under 16s we used totrain with the seniors for a
little bit and it's like man.
I remember once I've only everthrown up once and it was at a
preseason Like just from therunning and the work and I was
like how do these guys do it?
And I was exhausted.
But you know I got that.
That did help with mentaltoughness.
And then working during myuniversity years yeah, it was,

(35:48):
it's building fences like palingfences.
That was hard, laborious work,like it was really difficult
shit sometimes.
Sometimes you had easy days,but a lot of the time you had
hard days that you had to pushthrough, like there wasn't an
easy moment of it and you had towork hard.
And then I got thatappreciation for doing a hard
day's work, coming home andbeing real tired or you know, I

(36:09):
actually used to go to the gymstraight after as well, but
having that appreciation for it.

Robby (36:13):
Yeah, I used to do that.
So I used to do like when I wasan apprentice I used to do
seven to seven, yeah.

George (36:19):
I think that's influenced me at that young age
to be working hard now today,because I used to work hard as
an employee as well.
That's why I always gotpromoted.
I used to work hard as anemployee as well.
That's why I always gotpromoted.
I used to work hard as anemployee.

Robby (36:32):
I always got promoted before everyone else because the
bosses would always see medoing the do, yeah, but so
linking back what was theadversity that made you work
hard.

George (36:42):
I don't think there was an adversity thing there
specifically for me.
I just wanted more.
I've always wanted more.
I always probably linked hardwork with success, but along the
years I've also learned that alaborer works really hard.

(37:03):
There's probably laborers outthere working a lot harder than
me and in one transaction I'vemade their salary for a whole
year.
Do you know what I?

Robby (37:13):
mean yeah.

George (37:14):
So it's not always a matter of working hard, and I've
learned that through the yearstoo.
I used to think it was I'm justgoing to outwork you, but
there's got to be a level whereyou've got some self-awareness.
There's got to be a level whereyou have some smarts about you
too, and this is where theintelligent things, the
intelligence, comes into whatyou were saying before.
You're looking at some of thesepeople and going well, I'm
working hard, I'm workingsmarter, and I'm still not

(37:38):
getting the runs on the board.
Is it a timing thing?
Is it a market thing?

Robby (37:41):
I wouldn't say it's not getting the runs on the board.
I'd say it's Quick enough orlarge enough.
Yeah, quick enough or largeenough, yeah, but like, even
like, uh, you, you did that,like like I'd be pretty
impressed if I did that, andit's like I'm not doing that.
You did that and it's like youknow that.
Good, don't know what I mean.
Yeah, like you're not to somepeople you look at and you're

(38:02):
like I couldn't do that, likethat what you're doing there,
like you were fucking workingfor that dude, yeah.
And then there's other peopleyou're looking at and you think
you ain't that bright.
You know you're not, you're notdoing anything.
I don't believe I could do.
I believe if I do what you do, Iprobably do it better yes, yeah

(38:22):
, there you go I mean, I believeif you and I went up and
competed against each other, Ireckon I'd knock you out the
park and you're looking at thosepeople and saying, but that's
my thoughts, but reality is I'mnot.

George (38:36):
Scoreboard saying different.

Robby (38:37):
Yeah, scoreboard says otherwise.
You know, it's like looking atthe team saying we'll beat these
guys.

George (38:41):
Well, this is I mean it's great that we've had this
conversation, because it's stillvery much in line with what
we're talking about, because,you know, this is an adverse.
This is something that's uh,where you have that adversity,
now that point where you can go.
Well, is this going to be my?
Which way is the story going togo for you?
Is it going to be a matter ofokay, this is going to drive you

(39:02):
or it's going to own you?

Robby (39:07):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to own me.

George (39:11):
Oh no, I don't doubt that.
I don't doubt that.
But there's people out therewhere it would, yeah, I mean,
okay, you go home and you go toMrs.
I want to go on holiday, I justwant to go to Europe.
I want to tour Europe Firstclass, like start making some
more fucking money.
You know what I mean.
Or like, why don't you just,can you just go get a job and

(39:34):
make 200 grand a year so we canjust relax for once and not have
to worry where our wage iscoming from this month, or your
family?
Oh, you're working too hard.
Are you working Sunday?
Like can you just get a normaljob and just relax and like not
work Sundays?
I'm concerned that you're goingto burn out, you know.
So then you get externalfactors buying in to what you're
doing and what you're about andsort of maybe even self-doubt

(39:56):
creeping in.
You get that anyway, yeah, Ithink you'll get that on all
levels, like you get people,it's often people that care
about you.
The best question.

Robby (40:07):
I get is how much do you make from the podcast?

George (40:09):
How much have you made?
And it's like huh, how muchmoney do you make from the?

Robby (40:13):
podcast.
How much does that pay you?
And you're like pay me, it justtakes time, it doesn't pay me.
If anything, it costs money.
But that's just people whodon't.
I just think they don'tsubscribe to the same theory.

George (40:31):
Or to this podcast.
Or to this podcast.

Robby (40:35):
Or to this podcast.

George (40:36):
Because if they did subscribe to the podcast, I mean
they'd be very enlightened andprobably learn a couple of
things along the way too.
And yeah, look, more often thannot I think a lot of people
that love you will say thingslike that to you.
My dad says it to me.
He would be like oh he goes,you're working too hard.
I said no, I'm not workingfucking hard enough.

Robby (40:54):
But who cares?
No, no, no.
Who cares about?
Like the intention, intentionsare relevant.
The result's the result Like ifsomeone, so for example, a
parent who ruins a kid.

George (41:04):
Yeah, they do it out of love.

Robby (41:13):
Most they're like I won't give them everything, I didn't
have.
Blah, blah, blah.
And they give them all the shitand they spoil the shit out of
him and then the kid grows upand is ruined and has had
everything as a brat that parenthad the best intentions yeah,
for the kid.
They fucked them up.
Yeah, as opposed to a parentwho, uh, maybe didn't have great
intentions.
They were selfish, didn't careabout the kid, left them blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
The kid went through adversity,had to learn, ended up with a

(41:34):
way better result this kid grewmuscle.
You know what I mean.
So it's like the intention doesit really matter?
Oh, they're doing it out oflove.
Who gives a shit?

George (41:43):
Yeah, the result's there .
Yeah, but exactly theirintention doesn't matter.
But what does matter is how theperson reacts to that intention
, whether they listen to it orwhether they go off and do what
they genuinely believe is thebest thing for them.

Robby (41:56):
Yeah, it's all noise.

George (41:58):
It is all noise, all noise.
How do you block it out?
Because there's alsoinfluential people.
It could be close friends, itcould be your partner, it could
be your parents, a sibling.
How do you block that noise,that noise out?
Because you love respect, mostof the time, these people and
their opinions, yeah, so how doyou block that?

Robby (42:16):
out like if you are going to give me business advice, you
best be doing in business.

George (42:23):
Yeah, when I say more than me.

Robby (42:25):
I mean more in the direction that I want to go.
Yeah, that might be for you,like, let's just say, for
example, your goal is to work 10hours a week.
Listening to someone who works80 hours a week but makes 20
million bucks a year is not theright person yeah if that's your
goal, so it's like, okay, cool,listen to the people who are
doing what you want in thatspace.

(42:45):
Don't listen to a fat personabout how to get a six-pack.
Don't listen to a broke personabout how to make money.
So Don't listen to an employeeabout how to run your business.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's like just don't like.
If they say stuff, I just Imute it, I just nod, cool man.

George (42:59):
Yeah.
Tell me more about how youdon't know how you don't know
how to run a business.
Tell me more about how, the daythey're like before we do this.
How do I get into specifics?
Oh fuck it, Whatever.
So we're here to give value, sowe're just going to talk.
They're like before we startthe next job, we're not started.

(43:20):
They're all demanding we're notstarting the next project until
we have this, this and thisfrom the clients.
Otherwise we're not startingthe job.
I responded in the group chatfalse, Okay, we will be starting
the fucking project and you'llmake it happen.
Because they're like oh no,because then it's yes, it's hard
.
Of course it's going to beharder.
Have processes and systems inplace to get the information you

(43:41):
need.
But I'm not going to say to aclient I'm not starting your job
, I'm not going to get $250,000worth of revenue in the business
from day one because I need youto make your selections on this
, this, this and this.
That's just stupid, stupidbusiness.
Can we have processes in place?
The statement should have beenwe should have a process in

(44:03):
place to ensure we have thisinformation by this date so that
we can ensure the project runssmoother.
Not, we're not going to start aproject, it's just stupidity.
Of course you can start aproject and still have those
dates in place.
Okay, cool.
Then I'll say the same thingGreat, we don't start a project.
So then everyone's happy towork for three months for free
until we have this information,Just out of curiosity.

Robby (44:27):
Okay, but is that semantics?
What do you mean by that?

George (44:29):
Like just the way a sentence was worded oh no, no,
they were pretty much sayingbecause it can be difficult when
you don't have some of thisinformation moving forward,
because you're chasing your taila little bit.

Robby (44:43):
You get to a point of the job and you're like we know
this information job has to stopor job goes forward.

George (44:47):
So the sentence was structured differently but had
the same meaning Potentially.
But I know how they think andwhat they're saying.
They're going no, no, let'sstop, let's not do the job, the
job doesn't begin.
That was their solution to theproblem to put pressure on a
client to give us information.
So, no, no, let's not start thejob until we have this

(45:07):
information.
So, guys, it's the wrong way tolook at it.
Have a process in place to getthe information.
Even you can start the job, butjust have it by a certain date.
And then, if you don't have itby the certain date, then
there's consequences to theowner or developer or whoever it
is in time, in money, inwhatever it is, because we're
delayed or whatever.
But yeah, that was just going onexternal noise and people

(45:30):
telling you how to do something.
But it's not necessarily thebest advice for you, for your
business.
They're looking at it fromtheir perspective, going okay,
because it makes our life easieras employees when these things
happen, and I'm like, yes, 100%it does, and that's what we want
to have.
But the process doesn't mean ithas to happen this way.
It has to happen another way toget the information.
It has to happen this way.

(45:52):
It has to happen, another wayto get the information.
But yeah, anyway.
So that was just moreelaborating on your example of
external noise and people givingyou advice when it may not
necessarily be the best thingfor you or for the business.

Robby (46:03):
Yeah, I think you just got to look at where it's coming
from.
I mean, who's telling me thisthing, that I need to go and do
this, or I need to listen tothat, or whatever it might be.
Who's?
Who's the person selling that,and what runs do they have on
the board regarding this factor?
Um, yeah, and then if, man, ifsomeone's in the position you

(46:25):
want to be in and they'retelling you something and you
trust that person and you likethem and you respect them, you
should probably listen.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, if someone is doingexactly what you want, or has
the body that you want, or thelife or the family, or whatever
it is, and it's doing what youwant to be doing, and they say,
hey, man, you should do this,this and this.

(46:45):
You should probably, and youdon't have to listen blindly,
but fucking just take it in,give it a crack, yeah, and say,
okay, like, let me think aboutthat, does that make sense for
what I want?
Yeah, you know, but the endresult is people who achieve
things that others don't aredoing stuff that others aren't.

George (47:07):
Yep.

Robby (47:09):
There is no way you can deny that.
Yeah, I couldn't agree moreLike that's just, it's, it's.
There is no way you can denythat yeah, I couldn't agree more
like that's just.
It's facts.
If they do, if they're gettingsomething you're not getting,
they are doing something you'renot.
You know I mean what that is.

George (47:22):
You see that in the masses, though, as well, as far
as everyone's doing the samething yeah, oh that I say this
all the time.
Like man, like the averageperson, sucks yeah, that's why
it's you just said it like it'sthe someone said your average
this.
That's offensive.

Robby (47:40):
I'd rather be really bad.
Yeah, but so it's not the termthat is offensive.
It's what we've made of theterm.
Yeah, average just means the.
If you had to lay right now andfind the middle.
Actually that's median, butyeah you know, I mean, it's kind
of like somewhere in the same.
Yeah, yeah the most common type,whatever it might be like if we
had to make one everyone youknow, combined and we took one

(48:02):
thing from everyone, made one.
Yeah, um, that's just a meaning.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like if someone says the thingactually doesn't have any
meaning behind it, it's justwhat it's defined as.
Why we hate the term average isbecause we look at the average
human and we're like man peoplesuck and most people suck.

(48:23):
That's why most people are notwealthy because most people suck
.
Dude, I went to a pizza shopthe other day.
All they do is make pizzas.
That's all they do, like theysell pizzas.
They don't have anything else.
They don't sell chips, theydon't sell, they just make
pizzas I haven't had pizza for awhile.

George (48:39):
I'll go now.
Tell me which one to go to.
I hear you know a few.

Robby (48:43):
I've been around Sorry, continue your story a pizza from
this pizza shop.
All they do is one thing.
It was the worst pizza and I'mlike you, fucking like you got
one job.
Like that's this is your breadand butter.
Literally like this is all youcan do to make money and you
can't even get that right.
Generally, like that's not hard.

(49:04):
Generally it's not hard to makea meal.

George (49:10):
Hey, I, I flipped out the other day.
Good, I flipped out.
Who, hey you Me, yeah, when youmade the pizza, I lost my mind
when I saw that I was likewaiting for it to go to, like
the pizza to turn into a fuckingI don't know transformer and
tell me to buy marketing.
I was about to buy it.
And you made a pizza, reallymaking pizza.
You made a pizza.

(49:30):
The bloke that hates to cookand would pay people to cook for
him made a sick pizza too.

Robby (49:36):
Let me make this clear Did you make the dough?
As well, I actually didn't.

George (49:40):
Yeah, I didn't think you did.
I didn't think you did, butstill sick.

Robby (49:43):
Yeah, but I have the recipe.
Was it a good pizza?

George (49:49):
Was it genuinely a good?

Robby (49:50):
pizza.
It looked fucking good, it wasfucking great.
It looked like a really goodpizza.

George (49:53):
Yeah, it was very good.
Go check it out.
For those of you that haven'twatched it, go on his Instagram
page check it out.

Robby (49:58):
But what were we going to say before that?

George (50:01):
I don't know.
We're talking about your sickpizza and I flipped out.

Robby (50:05):
Oh yeah, think I don't hate cooking.
I think cooking every day is awaste of time yeah, so going to
cook a one-off meal is anenjoyable exercise.
Cooking every day to eat, yeah,is a waste of fucking time.
It is, it's the truth.
But like going and whip up ameal in it like as a as
something to do, yeah, it's funand a bit of content as well

(50:27):
yeah I was just.
I was like man, I'm gonna dothis, but I'm gonna do this, I'm
coming with cameras, yeah, andthey're like all right.
Yeah, it's fine.

George (50:35):
And I was like, yeah, it's great, that was very good,
very good.
So yeah, look, as I said, Ifeel there's been times where
I've gone through adversity andit could have gone one way or
the other, and I feel that mosttimes I've come across that,
even though it's hard at thetime to accept.
Do you want to share an example?
I mean, I always come back toit, so I kind of hate saying it,

(50:58):
but COVID was one of thoseexamples for me personally.
Business and personally, I justdon't think I was the best human
during that time Not that itwas a bad one, just wasn't the
best.
Work was really hard, losing alot of money.
Uh, I considered shutting upshop, not going broke, but
actually walking away from it.

(51:18):
I was very close and had I notwon a really big project which
pretty much pulled us out of theshit, I probably would have.
Uh, yeah, yeah, I reckon I wasvery close, considering my
options to go fuck this.
I'm just going to go call mymates that I know that work at
big construction companies get areally cushy job not when I say

(51:40):
cushy, a very well-paid job andjust work it like that.
That was probably one of thetimes what I persevered and I
don't regret my decision.
I'm glad I did, because I thinkit made me into a better person
, a better human doing, went ona path of self-development as
well, so went and did a wholebunch of courses, learned how to
speak on stage, started a newbusiness, met yourself and a

(52:02):
whole bunch of other people aswell that we became friends with
following that.
So I don't regret it at all.
I look at it as a positivething that happened in the end
as a result of what happened now.

Robby (52:13):
Yeah, hindsight's fucking great.

George (52:14):
So now, whenever I come across something difficult, I
try and look at it in the sameway.
Well, what's the lesson here?
How can I use this difficultthing to be better?
That's how I try and look atmost things.
Even now we're mid-hand over ona few projects and like real
stressful time.
I see my team like it'sinteresting watching people

(52:36):
under stress and how they copewith it.
That's interesting too,watching the team.
Some thrive, some go.
Okay, cool, let's go, let's goto the next level, some buckle
yeah some buckle, you know, andlike I can only teach what I can
teach.
I can't do the do.
I can't make it do it.
I've tried to give some advice.
Hey, look, ground yourself,understand that this will be

(52:56):
over in a week.
And all these things you'restressed about right this moment
you're not going to be stressedabout in six months time
because you're going to finishon Friday.
That's it.
So use that pressure, thatstress, to get the job done.
So that's interesting, becausethese stresses are coming on me
too.

(53:16):
I just handle it differently.

Robby (53:19):
Yeah, but so there's two sides to that.
One capabilities.
Some people are just not.
I've learned that you thinkeveryone can learn everything
and it's like some people can't.
Yeah, um, and the other aspectis like what's in it for you and
what's in it for them?
Do you know what I mean?
At the end of the day, you haveto wear the most.
You have to be willing to wearthe most.

(53:41):
At least you don't have to wearthe most, but you have to be
willing to.
Yeah, do you know what?
They don't have to be willingto wear as much as you.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, 100%.
And if you're going to askyourself this, if it was their
business, would they be willingto?
Don't know, yeah, it's a hardquestion to answer.

George (54:05):
Yeah, also, I don't think everyone can do what we do
.
I think the vast majority, evenpeople that are in business,
can't do what they do or can cando what we do.
I think the vast majority, evenpeople that are in business,
can't do what they do or can'tdo what we do.

Robby (54:19):
Sorry, I think there's a lot of people in business who
probably shouldn't be.
So how would that person know?

George (54:22):
They'd probably just get kicked in the face and then
realize it themselves Because inthe moment they're like, oh, I
can do this, or I'm good at this.

Robby (54:30):
But how would they know, or how would you know?

George (54:37):
From a perspective of now.
I've got to coach and mentorsome people.
I see what some people aredoing and where they're making
mistakes, but some people keepmaking those same mistakes for
10 years.
We had a client once who againgreat builder, really good at
construction, built some amazingbeautiful homes but just didn't
make any money for 10 years.
It's like we've made wages, butI may as well have gone out and

(55:01):
worked for someone and madewages and not had all the risk,
all the stress, all thesleepless nights.
I said, yeah, probably right,you're probably right with that.
So what needs to change?
He's like well, that's whywe're here.
They just didn't know what.
They didn't know.
I think they were not too badoperators, they just were doing

(55:27):
things within their business.
That was wrong.
But some people just can't dealwith the pressure and the
stresses that they have.
That comes with the territoryand that's why a lot of people
go broke in business a lot andmore often than not I don't know
if they come back.
Yeah, you know what.
They'll open up anotherbusiness.
I reckon that stat is bullshit.

Robby (55:41):
You reckon, yeah.
You don't reckon, yeah.
Have you heard the stats?

George (55:43):
No, in business in general or in industry.

Robby (55:49):
In both.
They're horrific.
Yeah, they're like somethingalong the lines of you know, 90%
of businesses won't be able to,so I think it's 60%.
Don't get through the firstyear, yeah, or first three years

(56:09):
.
90%.
Don't get past five, like 5%.
Get to 10 or something.

George (56:14):
Something stupid shit like that.

Robby (56:16):
But how many people do you know that have had a
business that have gone broke,in comparison to how many people
you know that have a businessand it's like everyone you ask?
Answer that question.

George (56:26):
Yeah, I don't know, it might be one or two, it's not
many compared to, I know, maybehundreds of business owners.

Robby (56:37):
And then it's like well, where's the stats?
Because everyone you ask seemsto say the same thing.

George (56:40):
Well, I mean you can find it, the Bureau of
Statistics.

Robby (56:44):
Yeah, but where's the stats?

George (56:46):
coming from.
They would be looking atinsolvencies because you've got
to apply for it, like the ATOwould know that you go broke?

Robby (56:52):
Yeah, of course my company, this company, yeah,
this entity shut down.
I'm still operating, thisentity shut down.

George (56:57):
Yeah, so there could be a level of that too.

Robby (57:00):
It's got to be dude.
I just don't know many peoplethat have gone completely bust.
I don't know.
I was thinking about it theother day, that's why, and then
I was like it doesn't make sense, Like it doesn't stack up.
Yeah that that many people aregoing for it, yeah that means
that if you've been in businessin 10 years everyone that you
look at that was in businessback then most of them should be

(57:22):
shut shop.

George (57:22):
Yeah Well, maybe they just stop.
Hey, maybe they just give up.

Robby (57:27):
Yeah, let's count the giving up as shut shop.

George (57:30):
Yeah.

Robby (57:30):
How many people do you know that gave up completely?
Still, not that many.
Even if it was half, the claimis like 95%.

George (57:37):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't know.

Robby (57:40):
I just you look at the stat is there for everyone.
You look at it in the US, youlook at it in Australia a
similar-ish kind of pattern,yeah.
But then when you actually lookat what's around you, it's like
this doesn't stack up.
There's something here thatdoes not make sense.

(58:00):
Either everyone I know is supersuccessful because you're all
fucking part of the 1%, or welive in a different world.
They're getting stats fromsomewhere else.

George (58:13):
Very interesting.

Robby (58:14):
Yes.

George (58:16):
Very cool, yeah.
So as far as what people can dowhen it comes to whether
they're going to be successfulor unsuccessful in a time of
adversity, I reckon you've justgot to look at the situation for

(58:38):
what it is.
That it's not the end.
You're not dying after this.
It's not the end of your life.
It's not the end of the road.
There is a tomorrow and you getto wake up and you get to go
again and you get to keep movingin the right direction.

Robby (58:53):
And if you do die tomorrow, you'll be dead.
It's not going to matter, yeah.

George (58:59):
It's not going to matter .
If you die that next day likeno one cares.
And look, the world goes round.
Do you know what I mean?
If Dutch will die tomorrow, myinbox is going to have 100
emails, and the day after thatit'll probably have another
hundred emails, and the dayafter that it's probably going
to have another hundred emails.
Right, the world's going tokeep ticking.

Robby (59:20):
I just finished um Steve Jobs' biography.
How was it Fucking interesting?
Hmm, um, I I listened to herlike sections.
It's very long and this guychanged the world Like I think

(59:41):
we think that he just made Apple.
Did you know he was he's behindToy Story and Pixar?
Oh, I think I did hear that.
Yeah, I had no idea.
Yeah, pixar.

George (59:51):
I think I heard something, there was a
connection there of something.
I did hear that.
Yeah, I had no idea.
Yeah, pixar, I think I heardsomething.

Robby (59:53):
There was a connection there of something I can recall
that he's behind all that andApple, like Apple was a little
company.
Look at Apple now and it's likeand this guy died, gone, like.
It's like how many times haveyou thought of him?
Like he's got something thateveryone carries around, but how

(01:00:15):
many times have you thought ofhim Really?
Yeah, I mean, this was a peoplereferred to him like he was a
genius.
I reckon he wasn't the smartestbloke, but he was a genius,
like in his way to deliver forparticular things, you know, and
, um, very Elon Musk, yeah, like, yeah, very aggressive, very to

(01:00:40):
the point.
Just a different person.
Um, but he's been dead for over10 years and I'm sure his
family still think about himfrom time to time but how many?
and even like the people who say, oh yeah, no, Steve Jobs made
Apple.
It's like what do they knowabout what?
Do those people's opinions ofhim matter?

(01:01:01):
Yeah, the people who have noidea who he was, or anything
about him.
They just know that he wasassociated to Apple and he's
gone.
That's it.

George (01:01:11):
Forever, forever and ever.
So that's the number one thing.
I reckon, man.
I reckon if you guys can justsee what you're going through
and some of you listening tothis are going through a
difficult time right now andjust know tomorrow's going to be
another day.
Tomorrow you get to get up andyou get to go and do it again.
You don't have to.
You get to go up, get up and doit again.

(01:01:37):
You get to have all thoseproblems, have those challenges
come out the other end, becausethere will be an end date to
that challenge.
There will be an end date to itand when you get there you can
look back and go okay, I'mbetter because of it.
I know how to deal with thatwhen it happens again, if it
ever happens again.
Or I can give some advice to mykids, to a friend, to a partner
, if something like that everhappens again.

Robby (01:01:55):
Yeah, and whatever's bothering you now probably won't
bother you in three months.
Exactly right.
And to prove it, think aboutsomething that bothered you
three months ago and what doesit bother you now?

George (01:02:04):
Can I just say, like COVID doesn't nothing that
happened in COVID bothers meyeah.

Robby (01:02:08):
Yeah, like I don't think about it Exactly.
Yeah Well, even when it's likewhen someone brings it up,
you're like, don't talk about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

George (01:02:15):
There's no, there's no level of stress there when you
talk about it.
It's done.

Robby (01:02:18):
Like whatever, whatever.

George (01:02:25):
You saw it for what it was, and important thing is
obviously, just listen to thispodcast, because it's going to
give you everything that youneed to be massively successful
in your life Everything,everything, well, great chat as
always.
Thank you very much for joiningus.
I haven't said this in a while,but I hope you're having a
million dollar day and Ipersonally cannot wait for you

(01:02:47):
to join us next week when wehave an amazing chat 'll see you
then.

Robby (01:02:52):
Peace out, guys, thank you, thanks everybody.

George (01:02:57):
We even need to clap anymore, no fucking cameraman
shit fucking going back into thestone age.