Real Talk on Handling Life’s Hardest Moments

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What happens when everything goes wrong in a single day? Robby shares a cascade of frustrations—from engine lights and parking tickets to burned custard—that pushed him to the edge. Rather than dispensing hollow motivational advice, this conversation dives into the raw reality of handling life's inevitable bad days.

George reveals his unexpected late-night hospital visit before a business trip, illuminating how quickly our priorities shift when health is threatened. This candid exchange offers practical wisdom on separating business problems from your personal identity, with George sharing how Robby's advice to view challenges as "company problems, not personal problems" provided valuable emotional distance during difficult times.

The discussion takes a fascinating turn toward our future with artificial intelligence. Robby believes we're drastically underestimating how quickly AI will transform society—potentially creating a world where traditional concepts of work and money become obsolete within just two years. Both hosts contemplate what they would do if freed from financial concerns, revealing their authentic values beyond professional pursuits.

This episode challenges conventional wisdom about work-life balance, suggesting instead we focus on "work-life priority"—intentionally deciding what deserves our attention in each season. Whether you're navigating business challenges, contemplating career changes, or wondering how to prepare for an AI-driven future, this conversation provides both practical strategies and philosophical perspective for living a meaningful life in uncertain times.

What would you do if your basic needs were guaranteed and money no longer mattered? Share your thoughts with us and discover what this might reveal about your true priorities.

Episode Transcript

George (00:00):
I'm confident at this one.
Oh good, my headphones are shit.

Robby (00:10):
Sure, we'll fucking roll with it.
See how it goes.
Worst case.

George (00:15):
Oh, test, I'm not on.
I've got no nothing.
Turn my mic, yep, all right.

Robby (00:31):
All right, sure, let's do it.
Handle this how it looks.
Oh no, you still fucking.
No, you just can't clap in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a life.

(00:53):
I am tired man.
Are you yeah?

George (00:57):
Should we reschedule this podcast?
Do you want me to get you apillow?
Have a nap, why?

Robby (01:00):
don't you have a 15-minute nap, 15-minute nap.

George (01:02):
Yeah, I'll kick it off for the next 15 minutes.
I just slept for seven hours.
Well, it's dark.
It's good morning.
Good morning For us.
It's good morning Nighttime.
It's still dark outside herebright and early at the podcast
studio.
Million dollar days.

Robby (01:16):
It's one of the lesser things about Melbourne, isn't it
?
It's not that early, it thatearly?
It's 10 past 7.
The sun should be up, it's not.
But we're in winter and I wantto tell you about a day my day
yesterday.
What do you do?

George (01:36):
when you have a bad day, it's hard Sometimes.
You know what, let's be honest.
You know because I can sit hereas some motivational fucking
speaker and the hell to do.

Robby (01:45):
Got to keep going.
There's days where I'm justlike-.
There's bad days, make goodones.

George (01:49):
Good, that's right, that's right.
But there's days where I'm justlike irritated.
I think irritated's the bestword for myself.
I get irritated.
I get easily annoyed.
I might be a bit snappy.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I want you to go intoyour story because I'll
probably follow on to that aswell.

Robby (02:12):
Yesterday was one of those days for me where I was
just like just go to sleep, likejust go to sleep and then,
hopefully, when you wake up,everything is sorted.
Dude, you know when things juststack and you think, oh, this
is the third thing.
You know that whole saying likethings come in threes.
You're like this is the thirdthing, nothing else is going to
go wrong after this, and thenlike three more things.
So I was having a shitty dayyesterday, a bunch of stuff

(02:34):
going wrong, and then I had likea couple of bad client meetings
and I was like you know what?
It was 6 pm ish and I was likeyou know what?
I'm just going to call it.
Just going to call it.
I'm going to pack up my shit.
I've got a couple of thingsI'll do when I get home and

(02:56):
that's it.
That's it.
It's been shitty already.
Those two meetings really pissedme off and I'm going to call it
.
So I grab all my shit, I packup, I walk out, I jump in my car
and I'm to me already.
That's like fuck, today's beena shitty day.
Do you know what I mean?
And then I jump in my car, Iturn my car on, engine lights on

(03:17):
.
I think serious man really likefucking, hell like and a
relatively new car too yeah,relatively new car.
Now I think I would have a male.
Call these pricks tomorrow andtake off, start driving, get
halfway down big av to noticesomething flapping on my window,
on my windscreen.

(03:38):
Who the fuck is that fine?
I'm like, really like I've gota.
Jeremy says there's a fine inmy window, so I get out, grab
the fine.
I think all right, whatever,just throw the fine to the side,
let me go and, um, just justget home, right?

(03:59):
So drive, go to Carl's, grabsome bowls so I can make some
dinner and get home.
Stove blows up.
Get home, chuck, chicken thighson the Weber.
Go inside, I'm getting somestuff ready.
Go outside, weber runs out ofgas?

George (04:20):
No, it doesn't.
This is a made up story.
I don't believe this you can'tmake this stuff up.

Robby (04:25):
I don't believe it at all .
I swear to you.
Weber runs out of gas and Iforgot the cleaners were coming
that day.
I read the message as Tuesday,but it was Monday and they came
in and they'd cleaned, so Iwasn't going to sit there
cooking chicken thighs on myfreshly wiped-down stove, anyway

(04:47):
.
So this is that, and then I'mlike you know what do you?
Do you bake at all?
Never, never baked in your life.
You should try it.

George (04:52):
It's very satisfying.
I want to.

Robby (04:54):
I will I will anyway give me your recipe I'll, uh, let me
perfect it first, okay.
And then I'm like, all right,you know, I felt like something
sweet.
So I'm like I'm just going tomake some custard.
I usually make custard, it'sjust eggs and cream and I'll
have it with a bit of honey.
It's like really nice and clean, yeah.

(05:15):
So I was like I'll make somecustard.
You know, while I'm cooking thechicken thighs in the
transferable to the oven, blah,blah, blah, all this jazz.
I'm like the oven's on, I mightas well, so I eat.
The food was good.
And then I put everything intothe oven with the custard.
And I remember, I recalllooking at the custard and
saying five more minutes andI'll take them out, right, and

(05:39):
then I got distracted.
And then next thing I knew Iwas in the shower and then in
the shower.
Then in the shower I rememberedthe custard dude and I fucking
ran out, made a mess, ruined mywhole like apartment, called the
cleaners again come back,ruined everything, burned the
custard.
And then I thought what's thecommon denominator here?

(05:59):
Me?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Everything I'm touching isfalling apart today.
Yeah, so I went to sleep, tookthe commons and hominator out,
yeah, and I'm just like you knowwhat?
Nah, just go to bed, yeah, thenI just went to lay down and
fell asleep.

George (06:17):
Good, nice, and early at that time.
What time was?

Robby (06:19):
that 9.30.
It's pretty early.

George (06:21):
It's pretty early.
It's pretty early, yeah, got agood sleep now, feeling nice and
fresh, yeah, no, you're notStill feel the same?
Do you still feel irritatedright now?

Robby (06:30):
I still have to solve half of these problems.
None of them got fixed.
So I've got to go get the gasfor the WebR.
I've still got to go call Cityof Port Phillip and say, hey,
are you guys blind?
Yeah, exactly, do you know whatI mean?
I've got a fucking permithere's my permit, and go contest
that.
Fine, I've still got the otherstuff I still need to sort out.

(06:52):
But it was kind of like a thisis not going to stop, like one
after another, after anotherafter another, and I'm like man.
But then it's like you must bedoing something.
I like to frame it in that way,because then it gives you some
level of control.

(07:12):
Yes, absolutely, oh, it alwaysis, it always is.
Yeah, yeah, like what Is it?

George (07:16):
just all a coincidence?
Yeah, here's the thing.
And how many days are there ina year?
365.
365.
365.
So of those 365 days in a year,do you expect to have at least
30 bad days?
I share this with you too,that's right, but this is what I

(07:38):
but just to reiterate, like forother people listening as well,
it's more.
So if you're going to have those30 bad days like you almost you
have to take the good with thebad.
Like, how, how ignorant are youor arrogant to think that every
single day is going to be anamazing day?
You know it's going to happen.
I think it's part of theprocess as far as you dealing
with it and just going cool,it's just one of these days, man

(07:58):
, like I'm going to have one ofthese days, but we've still got
11 months of really good fuckingdays.
Or you're going to have threemonths of okay days and then the
rest are going to be really,really good, but it's easy to
say that post the day or postthat moment or during that
moment.
It's really easy to say it.
It's another thing when you'regoing through one of those 30
days or 40 days or 50 days,whatever it is, to then ground

(08:21):
yourself and go okay, well,let's take a step back and let's
look at this.
For me, nothing pisses me offmore when I'm very protective of
my time.
This has been something I'vebeen really obsessed with over
the last few years when I'm athome and, like me, this business

(08:42):
owner, when I'm at home and I'mcopying work calls and emails
and stuff like that.
It tends to irritate me a bitright, especially lately.
I don't have to answer them,but when I'm still getting them
and getting bombarded with them,they irritate me.
And it happened on Sunday and Ihad this one bloke.
He kept messaging me, right,and he's like blah blah, blah
blah.
I I actually responded, which Inormally don't, but I did

(09:07):
because I was able to and Iresponded and said listen, it's
happening on this day, likerelax, okay, speak soon, see you
on Monday.
But then he kept going andgoing and going and then my
message.
I ended up getting prettyfrustrated with it and I said
listen, if you persist with thismessage, it'll be the last time
we fucking talk.
All right, it'll be the lasttime message.
It'll be the last time wefucking talk.
It'll be the last time Ifucking told you when this is

(09:27):
happening, leave me the fuckalone, I don't want to talk
about this anymore.
Anyway, and then he persistedagain after that and I blocked
his number, but still that gotme in an irritated state.
I was at the park with my kids.
I should have been playing withthem or doing whatever with
them For those five minutes thatI was recopying these messages
back and forth.
I'm like fuck, that took meaway from what does bring me

(09:48):
peace, but still I got irritated, I got annoyed.
In that moment, honestly, Ifeel the last.
I don't know what it's been likefor you, but the last five
months have just been hectic.
I've had the busiest start tothe year.
I've been working in thebusiness more than ever and the
funny thing is I've pushed backinto a CEO role and I've been

(10:09):
working in the business morethan I ever have before and
we've had some key staff away.
I've had some movements thatwe've had to make internally and
stuff like that.
So I think the change, I thinkthat had to happen for me to get
through this period of time.
We've just got a couple of keyprojects that we need to finish
and I feel for the last fivemonths I just haven't had a
break, like I haven't had acouple of days where I can go,

(10:31):
like even when we went to Vegas,like that wasn't relaxing for
me that whole trip.
There were times, obviously,where we got to chill out and
have some fun, but in the backof my mind was all the shit
going on back at home andsometimes I find it difficult to
switch off from that moment.
And even last night, when I waswalking home, like I walked out
of here around quarter to sixprobably not long before you,

(10:53):
and before I walked in the doorI had that level of irritation.
And before I walked in the doorI was like cool, my family
don't deserve this, here rightnow, they're just going to be
happy to see me.
I'm not going to walk in therewith attitude.
I'm not going to walk in therewith attitude.
I'm not going to walk in with,ah fuck, today's been hard.
It's like nah, cool, walk in.
Hey everyone, how are you?
Like game face, but for adifferent, from a different side

(11:17):
.
And that helped, like I wasglad I was able to take that
moment before I walked throughthe door to put my shit aside
and then be present when I wasat home as well.
But still it doesn't stop mefrom getting irritated.
And I don't know if you trulycan I coach strategies and tell
things about that, but what doyou think about that?
Do you think you can truly becompletely zen in stressful

(11:41):
situations?
You know you had a whole seriesof events that happened
yesterday the ticket, the, this,the this.
For me sometimes the worst onewas the custard.
Out of everything.
But sometimes does it also getto the point where you just
laugh, because I've had that too.
I've had a little laugh Notthat one, but I've had that too
where it's just like you're justlike, this is comical now All
the shit going on.

Robby (12:13):
No, I on, um, no, I didn't laugh yesterday, well,
but I, I I got to osteo, yeah,to get my arm sorted.
And um, I was talking to thegirl she's osteo as a female and
I was talking to her and she'slike you know you work a lot,
blah, blah, blah.
She's like you don her andshe's like you know you work a
lot, blah, blah, blah.
She's like, but you don't seem.
She's like do you get stressed?
And I was like yeah, she's like.
You don't seem like the sort ofperson that gets stressed.
Like every time I see youyou're kind of just like hey,

(12:35):
blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, yeah, and I waslike every time I get really
stressed, I just remind myselfthat you're going to die and
none of this is going to matter.
Like, zoom out far enough andnone of this shit matters.
Like you know what I mean theclient, the car, the ticket, the
custard, who gives a fuck?

George (12:52):
Yeah, you won't even think about this in 10 months
time.

Robby (12:56):
It does not matter Like your time here is now.
It's limited.
You're going to be buried oneday.
People are not going toremember your name, that's it.

George (13:07):
I'll remember this podcast.
Do you know why?
Why?
Because I'll all be subscribed.

Robby (13:12):
You know, the state of the internet is about to change.
I know, no, no, like a lot,like a lot, a lot.
Websites are about to change.
I actually made a video aboutthis yesterday.
Yeah, and I don't know ifYouTube's going to be a thing.

George (13:34):
Yeah, right, well, that's a big call based off what
you said, even a few weeks,like last week, yeah, yeah, and
YouTube, you think it's going tobe the biggest platform.

Robby (13:44):
Well like I think.
So YouTube actually.
Sorry, let me rephrase that theinternet's going to have two
sides.
It's going to have theinformation side and then it's
going to have the side thathumans want to consume.
Do you know what I mean?
So it's like this podcast mightlive on but, like an AI is

(14:07):
never going to consume thispodcast, it'll just read the
transcript in a second andunderstand what happened in the
whole episode and say they'retalking about me.
You know what I mean, but thestate of the whole internet is
going to change forever.
I don't know if this will.
I don't know if this will liveon.

George (14:28):
Who knows, who knows?
But the information will bethere.
But you shouldn't take the risk, because Robbie doesn't know
everything.
So don't take the risk.
And you should subscribenonetheless, because many of you
listen.
But are you subscribed?
That's correct.
That's the question.
So back to it.

Robby (14:44):
But yeah, so do I get frustrated.

George (14:50):
All designed?
Yeah, I think so too, and whenyou have high pressure job as
well, or position or role, itcomes with the territory too.
So I think there's a level ofembracement with that.
You have to embrace that thisis going to happen, this is
going to be a challenge.
It's not going to ever be easy.

Robby (15:07):
if you want extraordinary things, they're generally going
to require high pressuresituations and for you to be
able to get through them andnavigate them you know, yeah,
but don't you think, um, thereis a level of running your
business that has developed youinto a human like that you
probably wouldn't be had you notbeen put in those positions.

(15:28):
Oh, without a doubt.

George (15:29):
Without a doubt, without a doubt.
Sometimes I look at it too,though, and I'm like surely
there is an easier way to win atthis game.

Robby (15:37):
What's winning?

George (15:42):
Let's say from a, from financial, but also from yeah,
so I'd say there'd be that levelfor sure.
Winning like business is moneyLike.
That's why we all all in it tomake the money.
So yeah, I'd say there'd haveto be a financial aspect to it.
And then there'd be thesatisfaction of the delivery of
your product or service orwhatever it might be as well.
And if it does create change inthe world or anything like that

(16:04):
, or if it's purely there justto print notes.

Robby (16:07):
So monetary and fulfillment yeah.

George (16:10):
Yeah, I think there's a level of both of those.
In my industry anyway, you know, we get a high level of
fulfillment when we'redelivering projects and handing
over keys to people for theirprojects.
Do you, does that go away?
No, I love doing it for peoplethat are really grateful.
You know, when I get a greatlike I've got a couple of
clients now they just likeeverything we do, like thank you

(16:31):
, like they pay me and theythank me.
Do you know what I mean?
Like they're just so gratefulfor everything we do.
They see that there's so manymoving parts.
They appreciate the difficultyand the nature of the jobs and
all that stuff Like nature ofthe jobs and all that stuff.
They appreciate it.
And for those people I wouldbuild forever.

(16:51):
It's when you end up getting theother side of that coin where
it becomes difficult andfrustrating and really doesn't
make you enjoy what you do.
There's definitely that levelof it.
It's a very emotional gamebuilding because often there's a
lot of money involved with itand people aren't equipped from
the client side to handle that.
Stresses that I, that they'rethings that they're stressed
about.
I look at it and go what areyou talking about?
That's nothing, it's justanother day.
This is what happens on everysingle project, but for them

(17:11):
it's their whole world and it'slike this is going, everything's
falling apart and this and this, and you're not doing this and
that, then that's not goingwrong.
I said, it's what happens,we'll get through it and you
move on to the next one.

Robby (17:24):
So there is that.
Isn't that just context though?
Yeah, absolutely.
It is Like I just complainedabout my chicken and my custard
and a fine on my car.
There's someone who would loveto have those problems?
Love to have them.

George (17:49):
And this is now the coaching side of stuff where we
come in and start beingmotivational speaker, george and
Robbie, because you get to haveall of these problems.
You don't have to have them.
How lucky are you?
Your brand new car, which is 12months old, that it has an
engine light on it that peoplewould love, that would do
anything to have that car.
You can just call up Ford andsay, hey, sort out your shit, my
car's not working, give meanother one, I'll drop it off in
the morning, you're fine.
Oh, how good are you Lucky youdon't have to fight a war

(18:13):
tomorrow and you get to have afine on your car, your food.

Robby (18:18):
How lucky you get to eat and make that food.
I also think that it's very.
I like to look at itdifferently personally
Differently.

George (18:25):
in what way?

Robby (18:27):
Like in, like okay.
So to say, like, how lucky areyou to have food, like everyone
has food, it's not 9,500.
Do you know what I mean?
Hey, it might get like that.
Yeah, who knows?

George (18:40):
By the way, yeah, for real.
I was having a chat withsomeone about it yesterday.
They were talking about likepeople aren't spending money
anymore.
Everyone's like real tighteningup the purse strings.
I said you just wait untilpeople start losing their jobs.
You know when, when thathappens especially you know
we're talking about AI agentsand all that sort of stuff you
just wait until people startgoing.
You know how the fuck, where doI get my next job from?

(19:02):
But they won't.
What do you mean In thiscountry?

Robby (19:10):
No, no, there could definitely be a recession where
people start to lose their shit.
There there's 100% yeah, that'swhat.

George (19:14):
I mean that's coming.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's going to get tougher.
I feel that that element ofwhere we're at now is coming.
You're going to need to be ableto deal with these things.
Look, able to deal with thisthing.
Look, you can.
Here's the thing, right, youcan always sit there and feel
sorry for yourself.
So I try, and almost I getannoyed at being annoyed.
You know, like, oh, fuckinghell, this is like no, no, fuck

(19:34):
it.
Man, like this isn't going tocontrol me, let's go, I'll make
another custard.
Control you like the the problemthat you're in right now.
So, fuck, I bought my custard,cool, I'll make another one.
I got more eggs.
I've got more cream.
I've got more honey, I'll makemore.
It'll take me fucking 15minutes throw it out.
Do it again.
So not being you reckon custardtakes 15 minutes.

Robby (19:51):
Come on, man, how long does it take your custard?
You gotta go 45 minutes.
What's going on?

George (19:56):
this is bullshit in 2025 , fucking hell fucking hell,
don't you just get out of apacket and put it in the
microwave or something I wish.

Robby (20:05):
That was a real deal.

George (20:06):
Real guy I'm not a real guy?
Of course you are.
Of course you are.
This isn't AI Robbie talking,but there's a level of me, like
that's, where I sort of look atit from that perspective too.
I don't let the situationcontrol me, I control it, and
that often helps me get througha lot of things.
Something, and that often helpsme get through a lot of things
Something that you said to methe other day, just a few days

(20:28):
ago, last week, when we went toAdelaide for a Sydney no, sydney
, sorry.
Yeah, went to Sydney for ourfuck Globetrotters.

Robby (20:36):
What a life, what a life.

George (20:39):
Went to Sydney.
Yeah, vegas, fuck, we've donesome miles, got some frequent
fly points and we're in Sydneyand we're doing some events and
we're talking on the way backand I was saying we're talking
about work and business and Iwas saying how I was getting
shitty at certain things and yougave me some really good advice
.
It's like that's a PASCONproblem, that's not a you
problem, separating yourselffrom the actual issue.

(20:59):
The business is having thatchallenge, not you.
The business has to deal withthat, not you.
And even though I said I'm theone fixing the problem, it was
still good to have thatseparation from the two because
no, no, that's a businessproblem that's got nothing to do
with me.
When I'm at home, it's not myproblem.
When I'm with my friends orhere doing this podcast, that's
not my problem.
That's the business problem.

(21:20):
We just need to put systems andprocesses in place to solve and
resolve those problems.
But that was a good disconnectfor me when we were talking
about that.

Robby (21:27):
Yeah, but I think you could go one step further.
Like you just said, my clientspay me, they don't pay you.

George (21:33):
Yeah, that's right.
That's correct.
Do you know what I mean?
That's 100% correct.
It's PASCON's money, it's notmine, yeah.

Robby (21:47):
And then you're a shareholder and an employee of
pasco.
Yeah, that's all it is.
Um.
Yeah, people have failed tomake that's one.

George (21:50):
That was a big insight for myself.
Yeah, me too really helped.
And so again, fucking 10 yearsin business and it's really the
first time I've looked at itlike that, so it was good to
have that disconnect.
Um, yeah, so there's, there'salways going to be difficulties,
and you know what, man, there'sharder times coming Of all the
shit that you're going throughright now in your business or
whatever.
There's going to be even hardertimes than that to come, and it

(22:14):
may not be a professionaldifficulty, it can also be a
personal one when you get yourhealth man.
Okay, can I tell this storyquickly before?
You go into that?
When did we fly to Sydney?
It was Wednesday.
Wednesday we flew, so we had an8 am flight.
So that morning I woke up at1.30 am and my stomach was.

(22:35):
I was in a bit of pain.
I'm like, oh yeah, whatever,because at the moment I've got a
hernia and I need to go.
I've booked in to get thatremoved in a couple of weeks.
And I woke up in pain.
I'm like what the hell?
This is weird.
Anyway, I sort of tried tosleep it off.
It was getting worse and worse,took some Panadol, went back to
bed and then it started toreally hurt.
I was sweating.
I'm like, right, there'ssomething not right here.

(22:57):
Then I had to get in a car, goto the hospital.
I was in the hospital just past2 am.
I'm sitting there waiting forthe doctors they're getting
assessed, getting them in triageand waiting in a room, and I
actually honestly thought Iwasn't making the flight.
I thought I'm going in for anop.
Now.
This is it.
I can't.
Something's happening.
It's not right.
They gave me some medication,whatever it might be, and I was

(23:18):
there like in a lot of pain.
I've got a decent painthreshold.
My wife will think otherwise,but I think I've got a decent
pain threshold.
Women have a high painthreshold, they do.
They've got a higher one thanmen, for sure they give birth.
They have to, but look, I don'tlike pain.
Let's be honest, I don't likebeing in pain.
It's not something like yes,here we go, headache, can't wait
.

Robby (23:40):
Those words have never been said.
There you go, so.

George (23:44):
I was there for a good two hours.
The pain got worse whilst I wasin hospital too.
I couldn't even lie down.
The doctor asked me to lie downat one stage and I said I can't
lie down.
That kills to lie down, so Ihad to kind of sit up or lean
over and just hold in my stomach.
They gave me some medication,anyway.
About two hours later it wasaround 10 past four just all of
a sudden all the pain went away,like completely like as if it

(24:06):
never happened.
Drugs are great.
Oh man, it was just like likethe the relief.
I was like what the hell howdid?
How did that happen anyway?
Then the doctor came in, likeliterally two minutes later.
He goes, hey, I said mate, youwon't believe this.
I'm like completely fine, likeit doesn't even hurt, and he's
like okay I don't even know whyI'm here.
Yeah, it was like okay.
Like okay, it might be, this,might be this.
Anyway, you seem okay,everything looks okay, he goes.

(24:28):
Well, just go on about your day, you should be fine.
So I'm flying to Sydney in afew hours, Am I good to go?
He's like yeah, you should befine.
If anything happens, just go tothe hospital again.
I said Took an Uber home, gotchanged and then caught that
same Uber back to the airportand I was waiting for you there.

Robby (24:47):
You didn't drive to the hospital?

George (24:48):
No, I just took an Uber there Because I wasn't sure what
I was going to do with cars andshit like that, and Nicole
needed to take the kids toschool in the morning, so I just
left it and I didn't know whatI was going to do.
Do you know what I mean?
So I didn't have to cancel thetour.

(25:13):
We're gonna.
I'm not gonna be able to do.
How am I gonna do the event?
I'm gonna message all the boyssay don't go to the hospital,
don't go to the airport.
Yet we may not be going.

Robby (25:20):
Um, you know, I didn't jerry until later that day as to
why you had sent me a messagesaying call me before you leave
the house, and then you saidactually don't worry, all good,
yeah, I just thought you'dforgotten something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was mywhole when, I saw both messages,
because I didn't see it untilafter I woke up.
Did you see the time?

George (25:36):
that I sent it though.

Robby (25:37):
It was like 40 minutes difference or something.
No what time.
The first message would havecome at, like 3am, I think it
was 4 or something.
Oh, was it Okay?

George (25:50):
yeah, but yeah, it was early.
Yeah, yeah, that's right, Ididn't think anything of it.
I was half asleep also, yeah,but I'd sent that because I
thought, well fuck, I don't wantthem to go to the airport and
go to Sydney and then we have tocancel the event.
Oh, it was 3am.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, because I wasn't sureexactly what was going to happen
at that time.
So, you know, a lot of peoplewould have just given us oh no,
I'm not going to go, I'm justgoing to go, stay home, I'm

(26:11):
going to rest, I'm going to beokay, I'm going to just chill
out.
But you know you get to whenyou have a health problem.
You know we're talking about.
There's going to be worsethings.
I wasn't thinking about thereports I had to do for PASCON.
See what I mean Didn't evencome into mind.
Even the event, even the eventwe had that next day.
I was like all right, I'llcancel it, big fucking deal.

(26:32):
I'll do it next week, or I'llchange the date, or I'll say
sorry, here's a refund.
See you in three months, orwe'll credit you.
It wasn't even a thing on myradar.
The one thing that I wasfocused on was getting better.
I was there with the doctors, Isaid, hey, cut me up, let's go,
stop fucking around, fix this,that's it.

(26:56):
Fix this, get rid of thisproblem.
There are going to be stressesand things that come up in the
future that are going to besignificantly worse than what
you're going through, yourbattles in business.
I promise you that.
I promise you that, Whetherit's your own health or whether
it's the health of others or adeath in the family or friends,
whatever it might be, there'sgoing to be worse days and the
funny thing is your ability tocope with the stress here is
probably going to give you somemental calluses when those other
bad days happen as well.

Robby (27:19):
To a degree, yeah, a level of not great, but a level
of an ability to be able to dealwith what is.

George (27:32):
I think Jordan Peterson said this it's like you should
be the strongest person at yourparents' funeral.
I don't think he's doing well.
Who, jordan?
In what way?

Robby (27:41):
I think he's.
Did you see that recent oneChristian versus 20 atheist
thing?
I saw parts of it, yeah.
He got grilled about it?

George (27:53):
Yeah, I saw parts of it.

Robby (27:54):
Absolutely grilled, did he?
He's getting schooled by18-year-olds.

George (27:59):
Yeah, oh so he didn't.
He just wasn't handling himself.
Yeah, he didn't deal with thearguments.
Yeah.
Yeah, did you watch all of it.

Robby (28:10):
Bits and pieces of it.

George (28:11):
Yeah, I've seen little parts.
I suppose the parts I saw werewhen he probably answered it
really well, do you know what Imean?
Because they tend to be morebased on his point of view than
the other one.

Robby (28:23):
Yeah, but nonetheless a very smart man.

George (28:25):
They did that with Charlie Kirk as well.

Robby (28:28):
Yeah, he's a good debate.
Yeah, that's right.
But yeah, touching on the AIthing you spoke about, things
are going to get worse.
I heard this thing the otherday and I'll share it because I
thought it was somethingconsuming.
A lot around this like a lotand there's some different

(28:50):
theories.
People think this is going tobe the greatest thing ever Like
life is it's just new jobs aregoing to come up and you know,
just another revolution.
And there's other people whothink there's that aspect.
And then there's the completeopposite, which is like this is
going to be the end of humanity.

(29:11):
Do you know?
what I mean.
And I looked at my plant.
The other day I got a plant inmy corner of my apartment, real
plant, alive, not plastic.
I don't give a fuck about it,I'm serious.
If it died I would throw it out.
I would be inconvenienced atthe fact that I had to throw it

(29:34):
out.
That's right, you had to walkto the trash.
Yeah, I wouldn't be upset, mylife wouldn't change.
Ai is going to feel like thatabout us.
It's going to be like this guyYou're're dead, you need to eat
again.
Do you know what I mean?
Do you know how much I've donein the last four hours?
And you want to eat again.
And it's like this guy saidthis thing.

(29:58):
This guy I watched a podcast ofhim.
His name is mo mo godat.
He used to be some say sweetguy at Google and I reckon if
you saw him you'd recognise him.
He's quite a.

George (30:14):
I think I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, bald dude with a beard.
Yes, bald guy With a beard oh,no, I don't think.

Robby (30:21):
I'll figure it out.
If you saw him, I reckon you'drecognise him.
He's got some cool it out.
Sorry, but I reckon you'drecognise it and he's got some
cool videos out.
Like he lost his son at a youngage.
He lost his son when he waslike three yeah, that's fucked
and he shares a story about that.

George (30:38):
That's the sort of thing that I don't think I would cope
.
I don't know how You'd have to,but I don't know how it would
be't think I would cope.
I don't know how you'd have to,but I don't know.
I don't know how it would befor me It'd be rough.

Robby (30:49):
Yeah, that's it.
It's like one of those things.
Even dude like, okay, do you?
How does an 85 year old copewhen they bury their six year
old son?

George (30:58):
Yeah, I think that would be devastating too, and I've
seen that that's worse.
I've seen that happen.
I've seen that happen.
I was at a funeral last year,the year before, and it was the
exact scenario.
It was an 80-year-old parent,or whatever it was, with their
60-year-old daughter.

Robby (31:14):
That's what I'm saying, yeah, and then you look and it's
like okay, I don't think thatwould change man, I don't think.

George (31:19):
As a parent, I don't care.
I don it matters what age youare.

Robby (31:22):
Yeah, it doesn't make it.
Yeah, it's not like oh well, atleast 60,.
Ah good.
Yeah, I did, okay, but more sofrom the aspect of like you
really knew this person, likeyou really 60?
, like you know what I mean,like we haven't even lived that
long and it's like Another longtime.
You're almost there, but Closer, closer than you.

(31:49):
Um, oh, look, it's a privilegeto get there, right, yeah, like
it's a, it's a, an honor almost.
But, um, it's like how do youdo that?
How does?
And then, like at 85, it'salmost like you probably fed up
with the world already.
Do you know what I mean?
And then it's like this happens, like how do you experience
that and not be sour about it?
Yeah, yeah, exactly that's whatI mean.
Do you know what I mean?
Because it was kind of likewhat the fuck are we doing here?

(32:12):
You know what I mean, whereas,at least with the kids, he
looked into his videos.
He's a really cool guy and heexplains it in a way where he's
like he came and did his thingand left.
Like he came and he showed us,he taught me this, this and that
, and he went and that was his.
That's what he was destined todo and it's just a very good

(32:36):
perspective.
And he talks about AI.
He's a big in the AI space onthat and he's like he goes.
People don't understand he goes.
Right now.
We know this is smarter thaneveryone he goes.
They're calling the powergodlike, godlike.

(32:57):
Now, if I, he goes.
What people aren't thinkingabout is the first time they
integrate this into a human,like the first time they say,
hey, george, we're going to wireyou directly to AI, so your IQ
is going to go from 120 to 4,000instantly.
He goes.
That person's not going toallow anyone else to do it,
because if I gave you godlikepowers, you're going to stop
everyone else from having it,because you're not going to want

(33:18):
anyone to have the same abilitythat you do.
So the second we connect oneperson with it, there's a good
chance that person is going toconvince everyone else that it's
not.
You know what I mean.
Whether they act like they'regetting something, you know what
I mean They'll find a way tomanipulate everyone else, to
stop everyone else from gettingit.
And, dude, there's that theory.

(33:38):
There's the theory of, you know, china versus the US, and
whoever hits it first, the otherone will nuke the fucking
planet.
Be like cool.
You think you're going tofucking take over the world.
There's a theory of life'sgoing to become.
It's going to be utopia andit's going to be like, hey, you
know AI doing everything.

(33:59):
We don't need to work anymore,don't need to do anything.
Like you want the house built,it's free, whatever you want.
You know what.
Anything like you want thehouse built, it's free, whatever
you want, you know I mean, thisis like it's like the sims.
Yeah, whatever you want, youwant that.
You want that meal?
Of course, the robot chef willmake it for you for free.
We have abundance of chickensand abundance of meat and
whatever you want.
Yeah, and it's all managed bythis thing.

(34:23):
And they are so smart.
They've worked out how to makeeverything free and energy's
free, and you know what I mean.
We've got infinite cattle andwe've now become a
multi-planetary species andeverything is just more than we
can you can do.
You get to focus on yourpassions.
You know what I mean.
You get to literally dowhatever you want.

(34:43):
You want to be a painter?
Of course you can become apainter.
You don't have to make moneyanymore.
You can go and paint all day,every day, and just practice
that skill.
Yeah, you know what I mean andthen become an artist or become
whatever you want to be.
And then there's the other sideof that of like people are
going to have no purpose, novision, no, nothing.
It's like suicide or cyberatingin a skyrocket because we're

(35:03):
going to go through dystopia.
What's the video you sent methe other day from Gary
Vaynerchuk About marrying an AI?
Yeah, look, it's weird.
It's definitely weird.

George (35:20):
Is it?
Yeah, you reckon, you don'treckon.
Well, there's people out therenow marrying objects.
Now, obviously, they have somemental disorders.
They marry planes and chairs andshit like that and they have
that connection with it.
But in saying that there's ifyou can get a robot, okay, to
look as human as possible, tofunction as human as possible,
like there's movies on it, andthen you plug it into an ai and

(35:43):
you talk to it and you can haveproper conversations with it.
It knows you intimately in manydifferent levels.
You may not be able to legallymarry it, but there'll be a
level of people connecting withit.
Sorry.
So why he was just saying itjust makes it just interesting
to see, because I think peoplewill go down that path.

(36:05):
Look, it's still weird, don'tget me wrong.
I think it's odd, but they'llsay it's 100% it's weird.
But I'm just saying he reckonsthat it will happen like as soon
as the next generation happen,where people are going to be
trying to will be getting intorelationships with robots.

Robby (36:22):
Yeah, I think people are still failing to comprehend how
fast this is going to move.
Yeah, with robots yeah.
I think people are stillfailing to comprehend how fast
this is going to move.

George (36:27):
Yeah, without a doubt they are.

Robby (36:29):
Yeah, no, like everyone us included.

George (36:34):
Yeah, I mean, look, I didn't think about it at all
yesterday.
There you go, yeah At all, noteven once.
So it's yeah, it's definitelynot, although I'm interested in
it.

Robby (36:47):
Not once, not once yesterday.
Wow, it's been so on the top ofmy mind it's not even funny.
Yeah, like so, I probablyconsumed two hours of ai content
every day, like on my way towork, on my way home at home in
the morning.
I've sometimes got stuffplaying on my tv in the office.

George (37:08):
Yeah, every day it's full on, it is.

Robby (37:18):
But do you know what an AI wouldn't do?
What's that?
It wouldn't fuck up custard.
It wouldn't.

George (37:25):
It'd be waiting.
No, In 45 minutes.
They'd know they'd have to turnthe oven off.

Robby (37:30):
It wouldn't lay down on the couch and get distracted on
Instagram and then go have ashower.

George (37:33):
But it could also watch Instagram at the same time and
know that the custard stillneeded to be out of the oven.
What a fuck up, and it could doeverything Ruined your evening,
but you got a good night'ssleep in a nice, warm bed.

Robby (37:54):
Sure, what a life.
That's one way to look at it,it is so all these hard days are
coming.

George (38:03):
They will be here.
What are you going to do nexttime you have this annoying day?
Go to bed each and every time.
Well, what would you dodifferent?
What if it's 12pm and all thesethings happen?
Go to bed.
Go to bed, hang up the bootseach and every time.
Well, what would you do?
What if it's 12 pm and allthese things happen?
That'd be good.
Go to bed, hang up the boots.
What would you do?
What would I do?
Sometimes the work is the wayso tend to.

(38:28):
If whatever's bothering me,work on that.
Get through that.
So, like make more custard, yeah, make more custard.
Or if it's at work and I'mdoing a work related thing
that's pissing me off, cool,let's get this thing done, cause
as soon as I finish this, theissue is gone.

Robby (38:44):
Okay, but like so, a client called you about
something, yeah, and then that'sit.
What are you going to do now?
Client called you or somethingpissed you off.
Yeah, what are you going to donow?
You can't.
It's not waiting on you, that'sright, it's just there.
Yeah, the thing is, and that'swhere I don't know.
And now you're like you'rewaiting on them to get back to
you.

George (39:01):
Yeah, that's annoying that irritates me.

Robby (39:13):
So like what's the?
It is a PASCON problem, yeah,but who solves PASCON problems?

George (39:18):
That's right, I do.
That's what I was saying to youthe other day in the plane as
well.

Robby (39:21):
No, but that's not.
It's different.
You were taking somethingpersonally.
Yeah, yeah, but I was sayingthat's a PASCON issue, not a you
issue.
Yeah, like.
Oh, yes, yes, yes yes, theproblem is still yours to solve
it's not going to solve itself.
That's right.
But it's not an attack onGeorge, it's an attack on Pascom
.

George (39:45):
No, correct, correct, so it's different.
But even then it's still anattack on Pascom.
But, as I said, it's me thathas to fix that problem.
It's still the pressure and thestress.
It would still bother me eitherway.
Like I know, I know what I'mlike, even if my really good
client caught me up Sometimes.
Again, I see it as I think Ican control situations pretty
well.
I think I'm a pretty goodperson when it comes to dealing

(40:07):
with people.
I think I've got some goodpeople skills.
I'm influential, I'm logicaland I kind of solve the problem
in that regard.
So a lot of the time I look atthem and I go cool, what's the
actual problem?
Why are you actually annoyed?
And then I'll try and sort thatout right then.
Like if they called me up in aflurry, in a stress in this and

(40:29):
said, hey, we've got this.
Like, what are you stressedabout?
I'll actually ask him.
I said what are you actuallystressed about right now?
Oh, this is over budget, okay,but we can make it under budget.
You just don't get gold platedtoilets.
Like, what do you want to do?
How do you want to solve this?
Maybe it's just if it's.
And I said, like if you cansolve a problem with money.
It's not a problem, it's anexpense.
All right, so cool, maybe I payhalf, you pay half.

(40:51):
Will that make you feel better?
Yeah, okay cool.
Done.
So I often look at it like thattoo.
I'll try and resolve that issuebefore it becomes why avoid
that whole issue?
Like, no, no, let's resolve itnow.
I've had these conversationsthis week and it's Tuesday.
Yesterday I was speaking to no.
Even last week I was speaking toa carpenter and he's like, oh,

(41:14):
this, this, this, and he wascracking the shit.
I said, oh, I go.
What you're doing right nowisn't going to resolve the
problem.
You acting this way and doingthis and acting this way, you're
going to do one of two things.
You're going to go on site,you're going to call, you're
going to do something stupid andgo.
It's going to costmed down.

(41:34):
He's like, yeah, okay, allright, let's do this.
Okay, cool, let's do this,let's do this, let's do this.
You're happy with that?
Yes, I am Cool, move on Now.
I could have very easily gonethe other way.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
Fuck you.
You want to fuck around andfind out, prolonging or making

(41:56):
that issue worse or bigger, orwhatever it might be.
So I often feel again in thatsituation, the work is me
actually having thatconversation.
It may not be me physicallyworking, doing a report, sending
an email, whatever it might be,it might be just no, no, let's
have the conversation now.
That's the work.
Let's go through that and getthrough that.
And I find that most peoplework with me, especially because

(42:20):
I'm not afraid to swallow mypride either.
Cool, if I need to take a stepback, if I need to spend money,
if I need to do what I need todo to get through that, that's
fine.
I'm cool with that and I reckonmost people relate to that.
But I have dealt withunreasonable people too.
There's just no reason to them,there is no reasoning with them

(42:41):
.
And those people you just gotto cut out of your life, 100%
cancerous.
I've had clients like that andI'm glad I did, because now, if
ever I have another client likethat, I know to walk away sooner
because I know the science.
I'll see the science, I'll seethe science.
But again, before I even start,before I even engage a new

(43:03):
client, I'm looking for thesethings.
I'm seeing what they're goingto be like, how they're
interacting during contractsigning, what they're doing
during negotiations, everything.
I'm assessing whether they aregoing to be a good fit for us
from day one to try and avoidthose issues in the future.
So you didn't answer thequestion.
I just went about it in areally long-winded way.

(43:25):
Yeah, what would you do Withthe difficult client that just
called me up?

Robby (43:30):
No, that's not what I asked.
I said what would you do if youhad a bad day?
That was what you asked.
Oh yeah, that's right.
What would I do?

George (43:34):
Yeah, if you had a bad day.

Robby (43:35):
That was what you asked.
Oh yeah, that's right what?

George (43:36):
would I do yeah, yeah, so you had a shitty day, okay?
So, depending what it is, I tryand work through it if I can.

Robby (43:47):
I find that pushing through the problem I feel
better, I know so when they'renot yeah, yeah, or the week.

George (43:51):
Yeah, I was speaking to an employee the other day.
He's like, oh, this is goingwrong, this is going wrong.
I said, hey, you'll be done inthree weeks.
Keep going.
Like what are you fuckingaround?
Just keep going, don't let it.
You've got three weeks of hardwork.
Yes, it's going to be hard, butin the fourth week you'll be
like, oh how good, all right,but get it done today, move on.

(44:12):
So there is still that matter.
It doesn't have to be resolvedin that first day.
The other thing is yeah,sometimes I need to.
Personally, I'll need to justget out of my own head and out
of my own space, because I hateGod, I don't want to go home and
bring that energy home either,so I'm protective of that.
So, whether that means you'vegot to go to the gym, you've got

(44:33):
to go for a walk, you've got tolisten to music, meditate,
fucking breath, work, whateveryou need to do, do I do that all
the time?
No, but I often find that evenjust it could mean just calling
a friend, it could mean I don'tmind going for a walk and just
clearing my head for a bit.
Oh, weeks ago, months ago, I hadone of those days and I went

(44:58):
downstairs and I had dinner bymyself in the restaurant next
door and it was just, I turnedmy phone off, or I put it on do
not disturb, and I just ate,didn't even pick it up for
Instagram, nothing.
I just sat there by myself, Iordered as much food as I
possibly could, so I was reallysatisfied and full and, man, I
went home feeling 10 timesbetter.
10 times better.
So I think, in moments likethat, when you cannot solve the
problem, when the stress isthere, when the issues are there

(45:18):
, doing something to removeyourself from that helps me
anyway.
Change your environment.
Yeah, absolutely A change ofenvironment for sure, which is
what I went to do.

Robby (45:30):
I went to leave.
I'm like I'm just going to getout of here, Just going to go.

George (45:34):
I think that's the right call.
And they continued with youthereafter.
I took everything with me.
It can't even be an issue sayat home with your partner, like
leave, don't leave forever, butgo for a walk.
Do you know what I mean?
Say, hey, I'm going to go for adrive, I'm going to go ride my
bike, I'm going to take the dogfor a walk.
Here, we need 30 minutes anhour to just chill the fuck out.

(45:57):
I'm going Because if we keepgoing down this path, one of us
is going to say something we'regoing to regret.
Here's the thing.
It's like your focus determinesyour reality too.
You're having a shitty day.
You're going to walk aroundLike, okay, say, you had an

(46:17):
amazing day all day, and thenyou got to your car and there
was a parking ticket.
Fuck's sake, it wouldn't haveruined your day.
But because you had such ashitty day, you looked at that
parking ticket.
Oh this, oh the engine light,oh the fucking custard, oh the
barbecue.
If it was just one of thosethings, would you have really
been that annoyed?
Probably not if you had areally good day prior.
So your focus does determineyour reality and, arguably, had

(46:44):
you had a really good day, youprobably wouldn't have forgotten
about the custard.
Yeah, I.
Or maybe you would have beenlike oi, I haven't changed your
gas bottle in a while Could bepretty low.

Robby (46:49):
I've been thinking about the gas bottle.

George (46:50):
Yeah, that's what I mean .
So had you been in a different?

Robby (46:52):
state so how do you fix that?
I've never, ever known how tosolve that problem.
I just knew that I'm going toget caught out one day.
You should.

George (46:59):
With a gas bottle.
Yeah, oh, you can't spare, butit's a bit hard for you.

Robby (47:03):
Have two full gas bottles sitting there.

George (47:08):
That's a lot of gas, a lot of gas.
Yeah, I do.
Actually, my barbecue ran outof and I had a spare in the
garage, so I did have a spare.
I've also got a patio heater,which, worst case scenario, I
can pull that out and plug it inI've got three gas bottles, but
yeah, it's having a spare.
Or you know, like after acouple of months, hey, my gas

(47:28):
bottle is getting pretty low.

Robby (47:33):
You change it before it's empty and give away for free.
That's it, that's it.

George (47:37):
That's it.
Or you just live life on theedge and one day you're going to
run out of gas and you're goingto be happy with it.
Yeah well, last time ithappened, Just laugh.

Robby (47:43):
Unhooked the bottle, ran to the car, jumped, threw it in
and went straight to Bunningsand changed it over and came
back and rec oh, that's okayyeah so I went to heat it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, and itran out.
Yeah, and it ran out and I waslike oh yeah, lucky.

George (47:58):
Perfect timing.

Robby (47:58):
Yeah, when you think about it, it was annoying at the
time because I had to now stopand I'm not going to eat for
another 30 minutes.

George (48:05):
Or just order pizza.
Game of pizza night.

Robby (48:13):
That was very close to like, even when I was talking to
Grab the chicken, throw it offthe balcony.

George (48:20):
So yeah, there is a level of disconnect.
I think when you do have thosedifficult times Helps me anyway.
And then you've got all theother stuff.
Like, if it's a continuousthing, well, do you need to
practice gratitude?
Do you need to startre-shifting your focus?
Is the issue that bad that youneed to remove yourself from it

(48:43):
altogether?
Like is work, do you hatecoming?
No, I'm saying from theperspective do you hate work
every fucking day, me?
No, I'm saying if it got tolike a person, if you hated what
you did every single day andyou're still going there every
single day and you're realizingthis, I don't want to go to work
.
I don't want to go to work.

(49:03):
Every day is a shit day.
That's a horrible feeling.
It'd be very bad, absolutely.
Imagine that you hate going towork every single day.
Then you have a level ofresponsibility that it is your
fault.
It is your fault 100% thatyou're in that mood and that you
say, oh, what else?
I don't know anything else.
I'm a mechanic, I don't knowwhat else to do.
Oh, fucking, become a florist.

(49:24):
Okay, become a florist.
Whatever, whatever makes youhappy.
Go get a job as a checkoutchick for a little while.
I had a mate.
I think I may have shared thisstory before, but I had a mate
did construction management atRMIT because it made a lot of
money when you went out into thereal world and he-.

Robby (49:38):
Lots of people do that by the way.

George (49:39):
Yeah, I know, yeah, but he did it like he was that way
inclined.
He's like, oh, I'll make goodmoney, I'll be sweet.
So did his constructionmanagement degree.
He was a year below me at RMITand then he went and got a job
and it was at a tier twoconstruction company and they
just worked him Day one, theyjust gave it to him.

(50:01):
They worked him so hard that heended up hating and he was
getting paid well, but he hatedevery single day that he went
into the office.
He hated it, didn't wantanything to do with it.
So much so that he quit and hewent and worked.
He loved fish, he loved fishing.
He had an aquarium at home andhe went and worked at an

(50:25):
aquarium, a shop, a retail shop,an aquarium for two years and
he fucking loved it.
He went fishing whenever hewant.
He got to feed fish.
He got to fucking eat fish.
It was the greatest time he gotto feed fish.
He got to fucking eat fish.
It was the greatest time he gotto feed fish and eat fish.

Robby (50:40):
What a life.
So he's feeding himself.

George (50:42):
He's feeding himself.
He wasn't eating fish from theaquarium, that'd be freaky.
But he'd take his weekends andhe'd go fishing.
He bought a little tinny, hewent out on the beach and would
fish.
It was his happy place.
He bought a little tinny, hewent out on the beach and would
fish and he just, it was hishappy place.
He wasn't making the same money, he was, but fuck, he was a
completely different person.
And then he came back to theindustry.

(51:03):
Again he did.
Two years later he goes allright, I'm going to come back,
give another go.
But again he found the rightcompany and he's been working
ever since.
When I say ever since, it'sbeen over 10 years now.
He's been working and he enjoyshis job.
He's having a really good timeand I think that's a great
example.
He was able to remove himselffrom that and go.
Fuck that.

(51:23):
I'm just going to go work in anaquarium for two years and just
whatever.
It may not have even been thataquarium, it's just do something
different, because it is yourfault If you hate what you do
every single day and youcontinue to do it.
If you hate carpentry andyou're there and you're
hammering nails.
It's cold today, like it wasraining this morning and it's
cold, it's windy and you don'tlike that, and that's you every

(51:43):
single day.
Remove yourself.
Remove yourself from it.
Don't be scared, okay, becauseit's much worse to stay in that
mental state than what it is tomove out and go do something
else than what it is to move outand go do something else.

Robby (51:57):
What are you going to do when?
What would you do if you had toleave and you're like I just
need to go and do something, notfor money, what?

George (52:17):
would you do Play video games?
Would you really?
I don't know, I don't know.
I just, if it wasn't for money,I don't think it would be one
specific thing I'm going to belike.
I'm going to be painting orjust boating or yeah, but I mean
that could be fun, like I do awhole range of things, just as
in I've got unlimited money or Ijust Money.

Robby (52:36):
It's not an object I think people have.
We are so accustomed to whatmoney is that we don't?

George (52:46):
understand a world without it.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it's odd, isn't it?
You're like what do you mean?
Everything's free?
How do you get stuff?
Everything's?

Robby (52:51):
free.

George (52:53):
What would I do?
Look, there'd be a level of mesaying you know almost a
stay-at-home dad, but that'sonly going to be for a little
while.
The kids are getting older now,so they're not going to really
want a dad at home.

Robby (53:04):
You still have to do something.

George (53:05):
Yeah, I don't know what are you going to do all day I
don't know I would probably dosomething outdoors, like sports
of some sort water sports.
Like I like boating, I likefishing.
How many times have you beenfishing in the last year?
I haven't been fishing?
Oh no, actually April Wentfishing, caught three fish off a

(53:27):
pier.

Robby (53:29):
Two months ago.
Yeah, how many times beforethat, probably years Does a
trout farm count?
Yeah.

George (53:38):
Okay, a couple of years, it does A couple of years.
Took the kids to a trout farmonce.
Freshwater yeah, freshwaterfish isn't great eating.

Robby (53:45):
No, fish is great eating.

George (53:47):
No, there is good fish out there Good fish, I like
salmon, not salmon.
No good salmon, I like Atlanticsalmon.
It's nice Snapper, snapper'snice too.

Robby (53:57):
Thank you, not a big fish guy.
I've heard Poor food.
I've heard I'll eat it, butlike it's not a, I'll never sit
there Like oh, oh, how good.

George (54:09):
Yes, I do something outdoors.
I reckon Outdoor typeactivities Could be even like.
I enjoy driving.

Robby (54:18):
Do you do much of that now?

George (54:20):
No, not heaps, I mean I do with during summer.
Yeah, With the water sports Ido a fair bit of that, but
during winter not as much.

Robby (54:32):
Yeah, fair enough.

George (54:46):
I think we're going to.
It's going to be one of thosethings where you're going to be
required to do more of that.
Believer in working hard andpushing yourself and doing
everything you possibly can, andI hate this concept of
work-life balance as well.
I teach it at trainings.
I genuinely believe it.
I don't think there's any suchthing as work-life balance and
people trying to maintain thiswork-life balance, having 50%

(55:08):
work and 50% life.
It's just not something, anequation that you should be
trying to go for, because it'snever going to be that.
It's never going to be 50-50.
You need to be focusing onwhat's the main priority at that
time, and sometimes it is work,and you're going to have to be
80-20.
You're going to have to worklike an animal for a set amount

(55:28):
of time.
The problem that a lot ofbusiness owners particularly
find themselves in is thatwork-life balance is work for 10
years and they forget about thelife.
They forget to take theholidays, they forget to take
the time out, and it's just onebattle to the next battle and
it's like all blends into oneand, before you know it, 10
years is over.
So you really need to make thatconscious effort to set the

(55:53):
time aside for your life and forthings that you want to achieve
in your personal life.
A really good thing that I likethat I've seen that I try to do
is almost plan out yourholidays at the start of the
year for the year.
What are you going to do thisyear?
What holidays are you going togo on?
Are you going to do an overseastrip?
Are you going to go little daytrips, weekends, public holidays

(56:17):
, long weekends, all that sortof stuff?
Plan your trips at the start ofthe year.
That way you always havesomething that you can look
forward to, whether it's once aquarter or one really big
three-month holiday, whateverit's going to be.
I think that's criticallyimportant to being successful in
business and in life, becauseduring those holidays you are
then focusing on the life.

(56:38):
And it doesn't mean you can'tdo both, because there's times,
especially as business owners,there's times when I've been on
holidays I've been like fuck,got to get the laptop out, not
fuck.
I said hey, I've got to get thelaptop out, and my wife knows
that she said, hey, worlddoesn't stop because we're at
the beach.
That hey, world doesn't stopbecause we're at the beach.

(56:59):
Go to the pool with the kids.
I'll be there in an hour.
I have to send these emails, Ihave to do this pay run, I have
to do such and such, and thenyou can have that blend of the
two as well.
I think that's going to bepretty important, but no such
thing as work-life balance,work-life priority.

Robby (57:16):
I agree.

George (57:19):
What would you do if money wasn't an issue?
What sort of stuff would you bedoing?

Robby (57:25):
You know what my biggest concern about this whole thing
is, about which?
The whole money not being athing.
I'll never get to be abillionaire.
It's going to get taken awayfrom me the opportunity.
Yeah, that's my biggest concernabout it yeah, it's kind of
like a fuck damn didn't do itmight actually be running out of
time yeah, how funny, how funnylike it might, that might be

(57:50):
the part of life reality.
Yeah, yeah, it might actuallyhappen.
And and then it's like, well,you know, you had X amount of
years and you didn't get it done.

George (58:00):
Do you reckon you'd be shitty if you were a billionaire
and then all of a sudden, moneydidn't matter?

Robby (58:08):
No.
So are you shitty if you're abillionaire and other people
start winning?
Yeah, exactly, I don't thinkmost billionaires wouldn't be.
Do you know what I mean?
And I think the skills thatequipped you to get to that
point you're going to have withyou forever, Forever, yeah.
Do you know what I mean.
Like it's like I don't know.

(58:30):
Maybe you would look at othersuckers and be like you know,
like a lot of elderly peoplelook at the younger generation
and think you pricks.
Maybe you would, because youthink you guys had it easy.
Yeah.
You know what I mean.
I had to fight for this, I hadto work 23 hours a day, and now
you all just get what you want.
I would be pissed off 100%.

(58:51):
I'm pissed off now, so what?

George (58:53):
would you do, huh?
What would you do if moneywasn't an?

Robby (58:58):
issue.
I would do two things.

George (59:02):
This is my plan for if, when AI takes over and money's
an issue and we're in utopia.

Robby (59:08):
If that happens.
It's not guaranteed, but if itdoes go down that route, it's
one of the highly possibleroutes, because think about,
people haven't fathomed that theway life came together right.
So at the start it was survival.
You just need to go and eat,just go and eat.
And then it was like, hey, man,I started gathering supplies,

(59:29):
now we do the same, got allthese berries, this guy's got
this fish.
I went and traded him some fish, some berries, and then it was
like, okay, cool that the wholetrading game or bartering
started.
And then it was like he hadthis, you had that, how do we?
They created a universalcurrency, which is what money is
.
So it was survival.
And then it was like, cool, nowwe have this original thing

(59:52):
that we can.
It kind of makes the tradinggame more even.
It's called money or currency.
And then it was like cool, well, you know, having money is
really useful.
I need people to do stuff, Ineed labor.
So come work for me and I'llgive you an exchange.
I'll give you some moneybecause we're able to create
some sort of goods, products orservice and go and exchange that

(01:00:13):
for money and I'll give you apercentage of that, based on you
being a worker for me, if allthat other aspect goes away,
like everything in life ishandled, the buildings are being
built, the food is beinggenerated, the farming is done,
everything is all done Money whywould money exist?
You know what I mean, evenenergy.

(01:00:35):
They get so good at making surethat we can live off the solar
Like that.
We are so good at generatingall our power from the sun that
it's like why do we need to pay?
for that Pay for that.
Or we can pay for it and itcosts fuck all, and the
government covers the cost yeah,do you know what I mean?
And it's like okay, and thencovers the cost.

(01:00:57):
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
And it's like okay, and thenthat's universal basic income.
Hmm, back to the question.
When that happens, I'll do twothings three, two, three things
I'll do a lot of I'll do.
I'll have something like thisLike I'll probably sit down and
talk to people because I likehaving interesting conversations

(01:01:18):
, so I will probably podcast,just because I want to see that.
I think people will alwaysit'll get to the point.
People want to watch people.
Yeah, go the other way around.
So I think that will be a thing.
I think I could be wrong aboutthat completely, and that
completely contradicts what Isaid at the start of our YouTube
.
The other thing is I would gameprofessionally, game

(01:01:43):
professionally, game, oh, gameG-A-M-E, yeah, yeah, I would
game professionally.
I would go and compete in FIFAcomps, yeah, school, the world,
and then I Some serious hours.
I would just go do some outdoor.
Well, you're going to have allthe time in the world.
That's what I mean.
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
And then I would just go dooutdoor stuff, like I'd probably

(01:02:04):
travel Australia or go to theUS and travel the US.
Just go and go hunting.
Yeah, mainly going hunting.
You know how they have dogs,but they're having an AI dog.
Yeah, you're like, get him, youknow what I mean.
And this thing chases thefucking deer down and I would
just do that Hunting, fishingoutdoors and that's it.

(01:02:25):
What else are you going to do?
You know what I mean.
Live your life, that's it.
Live your life.

George (01:02:33):
What a life, well a bit of time will still pass between
now and then, and we're livingin a world of utopia.

Robby (01:02:43):
I think it is way sooner than people think That'd be cool
, like everyone's thinking.
Oh yeah, it's like 20 yearsaway, 100 years.
It's like it's not man, it'slike the world's going to be a
different place in two years.

George (01:02:54):
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting because I
would love to play back episodeslike this and say, hey, we said
it.
Then look at where it's at now.

Robby (01:03:04):
Yeah, yeah, and I said it on stage the other day.
Yeah, so I'm saying this fortwo reasons One, I hope someone
takes action, and two, I want tobe able to say I'm right, yeah,
don't worry.
I won't be able to say I toldyou so?

George (01:03:13):
Yeah, but imagine two years ago when we first started
doing events and we were likewho's heard of ChatJPT before?
And like one or two people puttheir hands up Like who's ever
used it and it's like less.
And now it's like everyone hasit as an app on their phone.
Everyone uses it Young, old.
They're all asking Chat to dothings for them.

Robby (01:03:39):
Do you have the app?

George (01:03:40):
Yes, I do.
Do you talk to it Not as much?
Have you just had aconversation in the car?
Yeah, I did I have.
Yes, I remember talking aboutpersonal branding and just
having a conversation back andforth with it whilst I was
driving somewhere, but then Ididn't continue the conversation
thereafter, but I could alwayspick it up from that same
conversation.

Robby (01:03:58):
It'd be weird if you kept the conversation going.
You're like one sec and you'reon the phone to an AI agent.

George (01:04:05):
So no, it is.
It's cool.
There's a level of that that Ilike.
I mean, who was it?
Tai Lopez was big on that.
Where he goes, I'll just drivesomewhere and I'll have a
45-minute conversation with theAI and just come up with ideas
for business, for networking,for whatever it might be.
He goes.
I have all these conversationsall the time.
Yeah, becomes like a companionand I'm finding, like you know,

(01:04:26):
when you ask, you'll ask Siri todo things or stuff like that.
It's not as responsive as whatChatJPT is, though.

Robby (01:04:35):
Siri's not an.

George (01:04:36):
AI, it's not.
It's more just a phone program.

Robby (01:04:40):
Yeah, siri says do you want me to look that up on
ChatGPT?
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's right, it's not anLLM.
Yeah, gotcha, that's not thesame.

George (01:04:54):
Excellent, all right.
Well, another episode down.
What a day, what a chat.
I think really important,because we're all going to
experience stresses in our livesand I think you need to have
mechanisms to be able to copewith those things.
So, whatever it might be foryou, whether it's practicing
gratitude, whether it's anelement of you removing yourself

(01:05:14):
from the situation altogether,taking responsibility at the end
of the day and actioning that,because if you are put into a
bad mood, it's not necessarilyyour fault, but if you stay in a
bad mood, it can very well beyour fault.
So take the action and just behappy, smile.
What a life.

Robby (01:05:35):
And make some custard.

George (01:05:36):
Make heaps of custard.
Make a custard and send it toRobbie, please.

Robby (01:05:41):
Hey, I'm making a pizza dough now.
It's been resting in my fridgefor two days already.
Shit, it's going to be sick.
Stay tuned, stay tuned.
I've got the video coming.

George (01:05:51):
Awesome.
All right guys.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Appreciate it and we'll see younext week.
Thanks everyone, take care thebaker.
So you got a fucking parkingticket, do you know why?

(01:06:11):
Excuse me, I reckon your permithad slid down, it's not?
Oh, was it yeah, dude, was ityeah?

Robby (01:06:16):
Fuck Dude, I haven't touched my permit for fucking
since I put it there.
I reckon the cunt just fuckinghalf asleep, didn't pay
attention.

George (01:06:25):
Yeah, and it's not your fucking problem.
Yeah, fuck them and shitcats.
How's that, though?
Like it's not often, they don't.
They don't actually.