The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

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A young man wakes up, gets ready for his day, and within hours is shot dead simply for having opinions. This isn't the plot of a dystopian novel—it's what happened to Charlie Kirk, and it's forcing us all to question the increasingly dangerous cost of speaking freely in today's polarized climate.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has created ripples far beyond conservative circles. As we grapple with this tragedy, we find ourselves asking uncomfortable questions about the narratives we're being fed, the meaning we assign to violence, and what happens when disagreement turns deadly. Was this really just the isolated act of a 22-year-old with no prior criminal record? Or is there something more complex at play in a culture where opinions can get you killed?

What's particularly chilling is watching how some celebrated Kirk's death while others mourned it—a stark illustration of our societal fractures. Kirk wasn't a dictator or mass murderer; he was someone who articulated conservative viewpoints and backed them with reasoned arguments. He invited conversation rather than shutting it down. And for that, he paid the ultimate price, leaving behind a young family and a legacy now defined by his violent end.

This episode goes beyond the headlines to explore what dies with the messenger. We consider how the media shapes our perception of events, whether America is truly as dangerous as it's portrayed, and the troubling reality that speaking out might now carry life-threatening consequences. If this is the price of having controversial opinions, who among us will still be willing to stand up and speak? And what kind of world are we creating when silence becomes the safer option?

Episode Transcript

George (00:00):
You better be careful what you say, mate.
Me.
People are out for ya.
Don't say anything out of thenorm, to the contrary of society
pressures.
Don't do anything like thatbecause you could get shot.
In the neck.
And or killed.
So a couple weeks ago, as manypeople know, Charlie Kirk got

(00:27):
shot and killed, assassinated inthe States.

Robby (00:31):
What'd you what's your take?
Obviously, so for peoplelistening now, this is two weeks
ago.
And when it happened, I wasquite um I was quite shocked.
I was shocked, yeah.
But when I first came to youroffice at like 6 30 a.m.
and I was like, hey, this guy,remember this guy we saw at the
earlier.
I said, Do you remember the guywe saw at 10x conference?

(00:53):
And you're like, which one?
I was like, Charlie Kirk, andyou're like, Yeah.
I was like, he just got shot.
Yeah.

George (00:59):
I saw he got shot.
I saw an email.
I saw the first thing I saw ishe got shot.
And then you came in and saidhe's dead.
I'm like, what's that?

Robby (01:05):
Yeah, sorry, Tony.
That's fine.
I walked in thinking he's dead,yeah.

George (01:08):
Yeah, so that was full on.
That was full on.
And then I saw I saw a clip ofwhen he got shot, and then you
said you saw another one whereit was close up and personal
when he got shot.
I didn't see that one.
But yeah, man, very dis verydisturbing, very sad.
And it's it's just a cryingshame.
Were you a fan?

(01:28):
I wouldn't say I was a fan.
Like I I followed him.
I agreed with a lot of hispoint of views, for sure.
And yeah, it was just reallysad to see that he did he wasn't
really anyone that did anythingbad.
Do you know what I mean?
He just had a very strongstance.
Strong stance, but he backed itup with fact.

(01:50):
Like he was able to turn aroundand say, This, this, these
reasons, this is what I believe.
And it wasn't to necessarilyprove someone wrong.
He goes, Let's have adiscussion, let's see if we can
get to some sort of a logicalconclusion.
And if you put some for somepoints forward that I can then
take on board, like he was opento the discussion, and that's
all he did.

(02:10):
He just spoke.
And for that, some fuckwitdecided to take his life.
What's your take on the whole?
On the person that shot him?
Yeah.
Uh support the death penalty.

Robby (02:25):
Yeah.
Do you are you buying into thewhole story that's being
painted?

George (02:32):
With what so explain the story to me.

Robby (02:34):
And for the viewers.
The ev everything that themedia's portraying.
This is a guy who had a transboyfriend who I don't know.

George (02:42):
I don't know anything about that.
And I haven't heard that's thefirst I've heard anything about
that.
Oh, you haven't heard anything.
No, I just thought the guy, Ithe from what I heard and saw,
he just hated Charlie Kirk andhis views and and what he stood
for and everything, which isjust so like the guy's not well
to have to premeditate thatmurder.
Like he's gone out there with aplan to kill this bloke.

(03:03):
You know, it wasn't just anaccident.
It wasn't a random thing.
I woke up in the morning andI'm going to do this.
Like he had planned this, wherehe was going to shoot from,
what day he was going to bethere, what the bullets set on
them, like he wrote shit on thebullets.
Like this guy premeditated totake this, to take Charlie's
life.
You know, a young man, like hewas in his early 30s, had a
young family, a wife, just goingaround spreading his opinion on

(03:26):
things, which many peopledisagreed with, but he was said,
that's good.
We should have disagreement.
We shouldn't all just go allthe go in the same direction
like sheep.
It brings up conversations.
And, you know, that that's whatwas really sad.
Like, would it encourage thenext Charlie Kirk now to stand
up?
Do you know what I mean?

(03:47):
Knowing that if you had thatsort of opinion and you were
really good at what you did, youwere able to back it up with
factual evidence, all this sortof stuff, that if you now go to
a college campus or if you goand do something that annoys
someone, it's gonna cost youyour life.
Is it worth it?

Robby (04:03):
Okay, so there's a couple of ways this conversation can
go.
Me personally, I don't buy intothe story.
The story of the kid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just don't believe it.
It just seems fake.
Yeah.
It seems too perfect.
Yes.
This guy would go out and say,Oh, you know, transgender's two

(04:25):
genders, he would say.
And then ironically, the guywho has no criminal record,
who's a normal kid from schoolin that area, went and planned
this whole heist of climbingthis building and sitting on the
top with a sniper rifle andpopping him in the neck.

George (04:41):
I mean, that's a difficult shot.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you'd have to be some sortof skill with a gun.
I uh no, I don't think it'sthat difficult.
Isn't it?
Okay.

Robby (04:49):
No, I don't think you've shot rifles before.
Yeah, yeah, but like I thinkyou could people pop deer from
further away.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Um so I don't think it's it'snot like a you know, ex-military
kind of nah.

George (05:07):
So what do you what's your stance?
You you just don't you don'tthink he'd did it?

Robby (05:10):
I think there is a it's just odd.
Yeah, it's a bizarre thing, butno no no no no no like it's
like they painted you theperfect picture.
Ah, this guy said there was twogenders, and this guy who went
and pumped him had a transgenderboyfriend, and he was very
saying one extreme to the other.
Yeah, but it's like if you hadto say, well, who do you reckon
shot him?
You'd have been like, oh well,someone who was someone far

(05:31):
left.
Someone far left, yeah.
Yeah.

George (05:33):
You know what I mean?
Far left extremist.

Robby (05:35):
And it's like they've gone and painted his picture.
There's things that both you'reyou're more of a conspiracy,
yeah.
No, I'm not a conspiracytheorist, but I also think
there's elements that just don'tstack up.

George (05:44):
Potentially, you're not being fed the full story, I
guess.

Robby (05:47):
Are you ever?

George (05:48):
Yeah.
How are you to know?
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
But ultimately, what happened,the act has happened.
I'm not a I'm not a yeah, he'sdead.
Yeah.
He's gone.
So that's that that act hashappened.
How it's gotten to that point,who knows?
But the act has happened.
You know, the guy's gone.

Robby (06:04):
But the way the way the country's handled it has been
weird too.

George (06:07):
Yeah, right.
I think it just seems well.
They had their ceremony for himthe other day as well.
That's 60,000 people, I think,in a stadium.
I saw it, yeah.
It was full scene.
It was a hundred thousandpeople apparently outside as
well.
Dude, just cast 31.
Look at the change.
Like they were talking abouthim being a future president,
like that's how high esteem someof these people held him.

(06:29):
He was very, it was very, hewas very religious too, which
did rub some people up the wrongway, too.
Yeah.
Which I don't have an issuewith.
Like, I didn't have any issuewith him saying that sort of
stuff.
Like, that's what great thatyou have that faith.
I think that's fine.
He wasn't going out there tochange people's mind.

(06:50):
He was just saying, This is mybelief, this is why I believe
it.
He was very, you know, Ithere's these comments he was
pro guns as well.
He wasn't pro-guns.
And then you hear people going,Oh, how ironic that you got
shot by a gun.
Yeah, which is a disgusting.
That's stupidity of the highestaccord.
And the best argument I heardfor that, because he actually

(07:10):
came out and said somethingabout I'm pro-gun.
I'm paraphrasing now.
He said, I'm pro-gun.
People die from guns.
That is a cost I'm willing toaccept in order to be able to
have guns.
So he did say something likethat again, paraphrasing, but it
was along those lines.
Yeah.
But the best argument I heardagainst that was, do you drive?

(07:34):
So you're pro-car.
So cars kill more people thanguns ever do.
So is it an acceptable level ofpeople dying in order for you
to be able to drive?
Is it ironic that if you die ina car accident, you're pro-car?
So it was a it was a very goodcomparison that I heard um when
someone said that.
Is that person pro No, theywere just saying an example like

(07:57):
uh yeah, he's pro-gun, he gotkilled by a gun.
It's like, yeah, but you're youdrive a car every day.
Cars kill hundreds of thousandsof people a year.
So are you are you pro-car nowor are you against cars?
So that's the point, that's thepoint effectively, Charlie was
trying to make at the time.
And I think he maybe he evengave that example about the
cars.
But you know, anything he said,he then backed it up with a

(08:18):
logical reason.
And I think that's why Ipersonally relate or or liked
what he said, because I findthat I'm a logical person.
I'll you can change my mind.
I'm open to having a differentpoint of view.
And if people can break it downto me and show me the reasons,
show me the four, show me theagainst, I'll go, okay, cool.
Like a perfect example.

(08:38):
We we spoke about this a longtime ago, but we had a friend
who works a four-day work weekwith his team and he's in the
construction space.
And like, no way, you can't dothat.
Like, I was dead set.
I'm saying, you cannot do afour-day work week.
I don't believe it.
I will do more working afive-day work week than you will
a four.
And after the discussion, backand forth for a good hour, like
you go, he actually changed mymind somewhat.

(09:01):
And he showed me the logicalreasons and why he did what he
did and how he was doing it andhow he's structuring it.
And he showed me the benefitsand he's like, this works for
this reason, for this reason.
I'm saying, okay, you knowwhat?
That really could work.
That could be, you could beonto something there.
So it I went from no way, neverwork five days a week, uh,
never work four days a week, togoing, okay, maybe that could

(09:24):
work.
And that's what Charlie did.
Whenever he had a discussionabout something, he would say,
What would you like to talk tome about?
Anything's on the table,whatever you would like.
And then he would come and havethat discussion.
And he had a lot ofcontroversial topics, which is
what got the views.
That's probably what made himso famous, as far as him just
having those um confrontational,not confrontational,

(09:44):
controversial topics.
It could be pro-guns, it couldbe abortion, was a really big
one.
You know, he was pro-life, sothat was a huge one.
And um, we said guns, we saiduh about genders and politics.
He was a far like he was aright-wing politician, well, not
politician, but right-wingpolitics.
He was a huge Trump supporter.

(10:04):
And that rubbed people up thewrong way.
But he would have thatdiscussion at the very least.
He never went out there, notfrom clips that I saw, and went
out and abused people and said,you know, you're this, you're
this, you're this, you're a dud.
He would say, Well, show mewhy.
Tell me why.
And people couldn't give thoseanswers to him because he was a
very smart man.

Robby (10:24):
Yeah, he was.
Um, I don't know.
I'm uh I'm not a conspiracytheorist, but I'm just not
buying into the something sus,man.
Could be.
There has to be, dude.
Come on, like look ateverything that's happening.
I I've looked into it.
I don't know.

George (10:41):
Have you looked into it much?
No, no, not not in the depththat you're saying.
But it's like the tr uhattempted Trump Trump Trump
assassination is.

Robby (10:48):
Yeah, isn't that weird that they had to stop talking
about it two weeks later?

George (10:50):
I think it's weird that it just grazed his ear.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, how lucky?
You tell me you're that luckythat it just grazed.
I reckon that to me, I thoughtthat was more of a political
stunt than anything.
I reckon I don't reckon anyoneshot him.
No bullet.
No bullet.
Nothing.
I don't know.
Did someone die from thatthough?

Robby (11:08):
Yeah.

George (11:08):
Oh, okay.

Robby (11:08):
Maybe they'll take that back then.
No, but I don't think someonedied from his bullet.
They died from what?
Like, I I I don't know if itwas the same bullet that grazed
that shot the next first person.

George (11:22):
Yeah.
No idea.
But that that seemed to me alittle bit sus to get the votes
and go, you know, what a howgood would that be for his
campaign?
That was great.
That's what I mean.
Uh that's why I thought thatwas sus.
Where's the benefit in thisinstance with Charlie and his
assassination?
I don't know, just silencing astrong opinion.

Robby (11:39):
I I don't know.
I don't know if there is abenefit to what was done.
Like, I don't think they did itwith a I don't know who did it,
I don't know what the causewas.
I just find it odd that a22-year-old think about when you
were 22.
Okay, and then you could sitthere and say, Oh, this guy's
this and that, and like the guyhas no criminal record.

(12:00):
People from his there's justthere's a whole bunch of
elements to the story that don'tstack up, where they found the
gun, you know what I mean?
Um, footage of him, um, youknow, and maybe he did take the
shop, like so there's no oneinvolved, no one at all.
Like he went and planned thiswhole thing himself all by
himself and went and sat on arooftop.

(12:23):
How did he know where the thingwas gonna be seated and what
way Charlie was gonna be facing,and and there was no gonna be
no obstructures, and you knowwhat I mean?
And then like you climbed ontoa rooftop with a gun and no one
stopped you, no one saw you, noone saw you.

George (12:38):
How'd you get on the roof?
Like roofs aren't necessarilyan easy thing to get onto it.

Robby (12:41):
It's like you had you would have had to walk past some
people, you would have had tocarry a big ladder.
I don't know.
The situation is um it's weirdin my opinion.
Um, no accomplices, no oneknew.
You know what I mean?
No one knew, no, not one thing.
There is nothing prior to itshowing any of the planning,

(13:05):
nothing.

George (13:06):
Yeah, yeah, it is odd.

Robby (13:08):
Um, anyway, all I'm saying is if I had to point a
finger and say who would havekilled this guy, I would have
said someone with a transboyfriend.
Do you know what I mean?
Like it's like, let us paintyou the perfect picture, yeah.
And then like, oh yeah, the DNAmatches, and yeah, I don't
know.
Who knows?
But nevertheless, he is gone.
Uh, not here anymore, and theworld moves on very quickly.

(13:30):
The world moves on, dude.
You know what I mean?
They're talking about puttinghim on a coin.
Oh, right.
I saw that, yeah.
And I was like, oh, that's abit extreme.
Um very extreme.
Uh but yeah, oh, I was uh I wasshook when he died.
I was shook, not just from thefootage, just from like the that

(13:53):
guy got up that morning and wasgoing about his day and he had
a story that day.
His Instagram following hasgrown by about seven million
followers, by the way.

George (14:03):
Since being well, funny, my wife was sitting down and I
go, Did you hear about this guy?
She's like, Nah, she didn'teven know who he was.
And I said, Oh, I saw him inthe States when I went with
Robbie.
And I go, he's this.
He goes, I go, you would haveseen his clips before.
Like he's that type of personthat you would have just come
across it at some stage.
And then she goes, she starteddiving deep into his content.
Yeah, she's like, Oh, this,this, this, and went through all

(14:24):
that stuff.
She's like, Oh, I don't agreewith what a lot of he says.
I said, get the fuck out of thehouse.
And not having no lefty nothaving no lefty in the in this
um house.
Long.
No, I don't know.
Um, I don't know.
She's just consuming.
But no, she likes she goes,there's things like greed,
things that didn't, which isfine.
I go, that's the whole purposeof what he was doing.
He wanted to raise aconversation.

(14:47):
I mean, it's just like thinkabout every podcast episode
we've done, the ones that haveperformed the best are when
we've spoken about acontroversial topic of some
sort.
Each and every time.
Why is that?
Why do people why are peopledrawn to that sort that to
almost that conflict or thatthey feel that personal need to

(15:10):
express their opinion becausethey're right from that point of
view.

Robby (15:14):
I was having this conversation with someone
downstairs before, and I wassaying, why do we buy like why
are conspiracies so attractiveto some people?
Like, why do you want to you'reeither completely deterred away
from it and you're like, ohit's a conspiracy, fuck that.
Or you're like, yeah, it's aconspiracy, give me more.
Um why do we buy into that?

(15:35):
Yeah, I don't know.

George (15:37):
No idea.
He's um maybe there's a levelof just people just wanting to
know or or or validate a pointof view, potentially get closure
on a to a certain topic or orum action.

Robby (15:55):
But this is gonna dissipate.
Like the hype's up here now,and it's uh and you know,
obviously it's starting to it'snot as trending as it was two
weeks ago.
But it's gonna disappear, we'regonna move on, and he's gone.
Yeah.
His kids will grow up kids willgrow up without him.

(16:18):
Wife will probably remarry atsome point or get into another
relationship at some point.
She was young, she was 30,whatever she is, 31.
So I'm assuming similar age.
He's 31.
Um and yes, did he start amovement?
Yeah.

(16:38):
But was there a bunch of shitthat he was worried about that
isn't even relevant to himanymore?

unknown (16:45):
Yeah.

George (16:46):
100% now.

Robby (16:48):
That guy woke up he had a story that day, dude.
He had a story talking aboutthe girl who got stabbed on the
train.

George (16:54):
Oh right.
Um, there's another fuckingridiculous thing now, isn't it?
The girl that hurt something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you see that?
I saw it, but not in detail.
But you know, that's a full-onthing too.
Poor girl, just riding the bushome.

(17:14):
Riding the fucking bus home.
Train, train.
Or whatever it was.
You know?
Fucking some form of publictransport.
Um could happen to anyone onthat train at that time.
You know, and this piece ofshit decided no, I'm gonna get
this girl.
Uh it's quite um The States aredo you think it's do you think

(17:36):
it's America's a good place tobe living?

Robby (17:40):
I think Well, okay.
Or do we only hear the shitstuff?
Yes, yes, dude.
It's propaganda.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
How much were you I was likewhen we went to the States, I
was thinking, oh man, likethere's gonna be guns everywhere
and you know it's gonna bedangerous.
And then you go there and it'sexactly like Australia.

George (17:56):
It's exactly the same.
I felt exactly the same.
Not once did it cross my mind.
No, not once did I feel unsafe,not once did I think, oh, we
shouldn't walk down here.
Uh in saying that I kind ofthought that for a moment in uh
New York.
I say I wasn't there with you.

Robby (18:11):
There was like Dark Street, New York.

George (18:13):
Yeah, but fuck you wouldn't do that in Melbourne.
I'm sure there's definitelyareas, like if you're gonna go
look for trouble.
Yeah, but you can find it heretoo.
That's what I mean.
There was um I think just theit's just extreme over there.
Like you never you never heartouch wood of school shootings
or anything like that.
We don't have guns.
I know, but I'm just and that'spartly the reason.
Yeah, there's there's thingslike that.

(18:34):
Like I would be thinking twiceabout sending my kids to school
there.
Is that just because that'swhat I see and that's what you
hear every second day, massshooting at with kids and all
that?
I don't know.

Robby (18:44):
Yeah, but I I I think the world does everything it can to
paint America as a crazy place.

George (18:51):
Yeah, it could be that too.

Robby (18:52):
It does.
Do you do you not think itdoes?
It never talks about howAmericans are super positive.
It never talks about how manycompliments we got on this hat.
Yeah, it never talks about uhthat aspect of America.
And most people you talk to theUS about here aren't they?
Oh, I fucking hate that place.
Oh, I never fucking live there.
Uh just fucking, it's fucked.
It's too dangerous.
Fucking crazies everywhere.

(19:13):
They've never liked the state.
Yeah.
And then you go there andyou're like, this place is
completely normal.
Most places in the world arecompletely normal.

George (19:22):
Yeah.
It may be as a consequence ofhaving so many people.
They do have a lot of people.
That's what I mean.
It's like the as a percentage,there's gonna be crazies.

Robby (19:31):
Yeah, like you know, who's to say it's less per
capita, you know?
Yeah, who's to say it's notless by population?
That's right.
You know what I mean?
But um yeah, I I don't uh Idon't think America's a bad
place.
Yeah, I don't I don't thinkit's a bad place.
I think it's a veryeconomically powerful place.
I think it has a big impact onthe world.

(19:53):
I think that there is some susstuff happening.
Um, you know, the Trumpshooting, this shooting, that
shooting.

Speaker 01 (20:02):
Yeah.

Robby (20:02):
Um, but you could turn around and say the exact same
thing.
Uh let me ask you a question.
How many people you reckon inthe US know about the uh machete
crimes we've seen here inMelbourne?
Six.
Do you know like how how wellspread would it be there?
I don't think it would be thatwell spread.
None.
I don't think I don't thinkanyone would know about it.

George (20:21):
Yeah, I don't I don't think I would be very surprised.
Unless maybe you're anAustralian and following the
news down here.

Robby (20:26):
Dude, I reckon there's Australians here who don't know
about it.

George (20:29):
I'm generally one of those people.
When like my brother alwayssays, Oh no, even my cousins are
like, Oh, did you hear aboutthis?
I'm like, No.

Robby (20:37):
Yeah, me too.

George (20:38):
I never hear, I don't I don't follow, I don't hear.
I don't watch the news, I don'twatch the news at all.

Robby (20:42):
I don't know anything about it.
I never ever ever watch thenews.
I'll never ever I don't my TVis not connected to Frida Air
TV.
Oh, isn't it?
Uh mine is.
Yeah, see that's a problem.
Nah, uh it's you're still gonnaplug the antenna anymore, huh?
Is that how it works?

George (20:54):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not connected.
No, it's Wi-Fi now.
That's Wi-Fi antenna.

Robby (20:58):
Is it really?

George (20:58):
No.

Robby (20:59):
Oh I'm not connected.
I don't watch Frida Air TV atall.
I don't think it serves you andyour mentality.
Um, but I think the the thingthat gets painted, you know what
I mean?
Like the picture they paint foryou, they're controlling the
narrative massively.

(21:20):
Massively, dude.

Speaker 01 (21:22):
Yeah.

Robby (21:22):
And I don't know, maybe I've been spending too much time
on social media lately, but doyou feel like the world's going
a little mad?

George (21:28):
Yeah, for sure.
That's all you hear about.
Uh unless that's the again thealgorithm that you're being fed,
but yes.

Robby (21:34):
Dude, have you been on have you ever gone on Twitter?
Do you go on?
Do you spend much timescrolling?

George (21:37):
No.
My Twitter feed, it's rubbish.
My Twitter feed is honestlyrubbish, so I don't I don't I
don't have the time to justscroll it.
I just see stupid shit.
Twitter is wild, dude.
Yeah, like wild, wild.
I think it was better pre Elon.
Elon.

Robby (21:52):
Yeah, it's removed all restrictions.

George (21:54):
Yeah, but now I get rubbish on there.
Like I get just stupid things.
I'm like, this is I don't evenfollow this person.
Why am I saying this?

Robby (22:01):
Yeah, it's definitely wild.
And there's like a lot of umlike racism.
Like there's no uh they're notcontrolling anything on there.
There's no what's the term I'mlooking for where they block
stuff out?

George (22:17):
Uh I know it's on the tip of my tongue.

Robby (22:20):
Yeah, but where they control what yeah, censor.
There's no censorship, yeah.
That's it.
Uh there's no censorship.
So you go on there and it'slike craziness.

George (22:30):
Yeah.
It's like, I don't know, do youWell is that what it's in?
I mean, that's is that whatit's encouraging?
All this anyone can sayanything.
It's like your words don't haveconsequences.
Is that what's creating a lotof this conflict?
Because someone will go onthere and say something vile
about race or whatever it mightbe, and they can say that.

(22:51):
That's their opinion.
Freedom of speech.
And then you get someone that'son the outside.
Yeah, the obviously the line'sbeen blurred or there isn't a
line at the moment.
Maybe there's no line.
That's the the thing.
People are getting rid pushedto the edge.
Some people can't control theiremotions.
Like, let's just assume thiskid did do everything everyone
is saying he did.

(23:11):
Which kid?
The one that shot Charlie Kirk.
Oh, yeah.
So, at what point has he gone?
I I cannot stand Charlie Kirk,and he needs to die.
Like, I I need to get rid ofhim.
It's gonna be me.
I'm gonna be the hero to dothis.
Everyone's gonna celebratethat.

Robby (23:26):
But they said so they supposedly, allegedly, asked him
how long have you been planningthis?
Oh, it was in the text messagesor whatever it was.
Yes.
How long have you been planningthis?
About a week.
So last week you were like,everything's fine, and then this
week ah fuck it.
Yeah, he's gonna shoot this guyand go hit him.
Yeah, and then you go and siton a rooftop with a rifle.

(23:50):
Wild!

George (23:53):
Yeah, and I mean, but you even saw like some of the
stuff that can the videos thatcame out after as well.
You see people celebrating thattoo.
So I thought that was fuckedup.
That's the other flip side.
Like, what sort of a persondoes that?
What sort of person would go onthere and go, oh no, Charlie
Kirk's died.
I am devastated.
I was like, you piece of shit.
What there's you don't have toyou there's no one you don't

(24:14):
have to mourn anyone, all right?
No one's forcing you to mournhis death, but don't fucking
celebrate it.
That's just makes you a pieceof shit.

Robby (24:26):
There's footage of people in the crowd.

George (24:29):
Oh, I did see that.
I saw one guy like everyoneducked as soon as they saw the
gun, and then this is one guyturned around just like
cheering, like, yeah, like youyou're a fucking idiot.
And most of those people, yousee a lot of those people now in
um you hear the stories thatcome out after, the people that
made videos or the people thatcelebrated, like fired from
their job, lives destroyed.
Said no, you're we don't wantanything to do with that.

(24:52):
Would you fire someone on thaton a basis if they did something
like that?
Yeah.
That exactly let's use thatexact exact example.
Say Josh downstairs, you followhim on Instagram and he made a
video.
He says, How good's this?
Would you come in and say comeinto my office on Monday?
Yeah, you're fired.
Well, it's representing yourcompany too, isn't it, to a

(25:13):
degree.

Robby (25:13):
I just think what sort of what sort of people do you want
working for you, dude?
Like even if you dislikesomeone, like that's wild.

George (25:22):
That's low.
It's a low.
It's very inhumane to dosomething like that.
You know, especially if the guylike but it wasn't Hitler.
Do you know what I mean?
It's not a guy that went outand killed people.
He didn't he wasn't a bad guy.
Yeah, if he was killing people,you'd say, okay, cool.
Like I get it.
You could probably understandsomeone celebrating that,
especially if they were directlyaffected by it.

Robby (25:40):
I saw I saw some pushback from some people.
I'll I'll mention that you justreminded me and I'll I'll bring
it up with you after this.
People we know.

George (25:48):
Oh, yes.
I think was it a female?
It was a female.
Yes, I know who you're talkingabout.
I was quite uh I almostresponded.

Robby (25:55):
I was gonna comment.
Yeah, I was like, we shouldhave done together.

George (25:58):
I'm not gonna Yeah, I was gonna respond to that too,
and I I I said I just put I justkept scrolling.

Robby (26:03):
Yeah, I was like, you know what, this is not my you
might not be in the rightheadspace if this is what you're
saying.
Yeah.
Um and you know, don't make meshoot you in the neck.

George (26:13):
Yeah, yeah, but that's exactly what it's like.
Hey, I don't like what you justsaid.
I don't you're gone.
I'm gonna find you.
Yeah, it's it's wild.
It it is exactly that.
It is exactly that.
There is no excuse for it.
There is nothing that you coulddo or say to celebrate
something like that.
And if you are one of thosepeople, you're fucked.
Honestly, unfriend me, unfollowme, delete this podcast.

(26:34):
We want nothing to do with you.
But share it, share it withother people that do want it
though first.

Robby (26:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Don't uh stop watching it, stopwatching it, keep sharing it,
but maybe subscribe.
Stay subscribed.

George (26:45):
Stay subscribed, just keep our numbers up.

Robby (26:46):
Stay subscribed.
No, you know what?
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
Um, yeah, look, I don't know.
I don't know.
The whole thing still doesn'tsit well with me.
I was shook that day, dude.
I was like, like, whoa, like,man, that is from the footage,
the footage was was quite bad.

George (27:08):
Alright, but uh you get there's people out there,
there's personalities out thereagain that push a certain
agenda, whether it be it rightor left.
Like, imagine now you spokeabout something that you
believed in, and that there wasa risk now of you stepping out
of this office and someambassador, just because of
what, you know, as you say, myface made a sound and it upset

(27:32):
you.
Yeah.
Made a noise and it upset you.
That to me, it's like, okay,I'll give you an example.
I I think owner-builderprojects should be abolished.
Get rid of them, useless.
No one should be able to buildtheir home unless they are a
qualified builder to do so.
Just because you own it, youshouldn't be able to build it.
Let's say I was responsiblethat's my opinion.

(27:53):
I keep I go out there, I Irally for it, I end up getting
it done.
People hate me for that.
People would hate me for that.
I guarantee they would hate me.
They probably hate it now thatthey're listening to it.
Owner Builder.
Own a builder.
If you're an owner builder,unfriend me.
Why does that bother you somuch?

(28:14):
I don't know, maybe becauseit's I I see it along the same
lines as well, owner teacher,like it's a profession.
Like how are you schoolteacher?
Huh?
Owner.
I said owner teacher.

Robby (28:25):
What's the difference between that and homeschool
teacher?

George (28:27):
Well, then why do I need to go to uni for four years and
be qualified and do all thissort of stuff?
You want to do it for lots ofpeople.
Even then.

Robby (28:36):
That's a really good you just gave a solid argument
against yourself.
With what?
The homeschool teacher,homeschooling.

George (28:43):
The equivalent.
Yeah.
Yeah, but okay, we'll go toanother extreme.
But people do this not justthey do it to flip, they do it
to not to live in.
Yeah, so there's a limitation.

Robby (28:55):
There's limitations.

George (28:55):
There is, but it's still to me, I I think there's
there's far too big a gap.
There's far too big a gapbetween the profession and the
unprofessional.
There's too many elements.
And anyway, regardless, I won'tget into this topic for another
day.
But let's just say I was theone that was responsible for it
or was a huge um advocate forgetting rid of it.

(29:16):
And then people hate that somuch.
And all I wanted to do was makethe industry better or help
people or whatever it might be.
Show them, hey, this is why youshouldn't do it.
Let me show you why.
It's actually cheaper for younot to engage a proper builder
and go through that process asopposed to doing it yourself.
And then someone gets out andbashes me or kills me or pushes

(29:38):
me.
Like, is it worth me thenhaving that opinion?
Is it worth me going, I'm gonnago out there and do this
because it's good for theindustry, because it's good for
people, it's this, it's this,it's this, when now there's a
risk for me getting shot orgetting seriously hurt, or my
family threatened, or my friendsthreatened, or the building
vandalized.
Is it worth having thatconversation now?
Do you reckon Charlie, when hewas 25.

(30:01):
I don't know how old he waswhen he first started going to
universities and debatingpeople.
Do you reckon if he had acrystal ball and said, Listen,
Bloke, this is going to be good,but it's not going to end well?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you reckon he would havegone down that path?
I mean, he's a highly religiousperson.
He probably would have beenlike, that's fine.
I've got God, I'll I've gotanother lifetime after this

(30:23):
anyway.
That's fine.
But do you know what I mean?
Is it killing free speech?
Is it is it suppressing peopleto go out there and actually
have an opinion, to havediscussions.

Robby (30:32):
We don't have opinions in a show.

George (30:33):
But anywhere now.
No one has opinions here.
No, you get people that haveopinions.
Who?
There's people, I don't know.
People have opinions.
There's guys on social media, Idon't know their names.
What's that guy?
He became half well knownduring COVID.
He was the guy that would go toall the rallies and then he was
against vaccines and lockdownsand go to cops, and he was like

(30:55):
a reporter.
I'll find him.
I'll show you, I'll show you.
But anyway, uh uh not areporter, he was like um
backyard reporter.
He did his own journalism orsomething like that.
No idea.
Anyway, I'll try to find himand I'll I'll let you know.
But there's people out therethat have opinions uh on certain
topics or whatever it might be,and they'll they've got a
decent following on socialmedia, whatever it is.

(31:17):
If there's now a risk to theirlife, to their friends, to their
kids, to their business, is itworth it?
Is it worth having thatdiscussion?
Is it worth the fame, thefortune?
It begs a question.
Like it makes you now thinktwice hey, maybe just gonna stay
in my lane.
That's my opinion.
I'm not gonna go and express itto everyone.
I'm just gonna do me.

(31:38):
That's it.
But then I think the world's aworse place because of that,
then.
If that's the case.

Robby (31:45):
Yeah, but so there would be well, very few people share
their opinion anyway.

George (31:51):
Yeah, there's not there's more people that don't,
yes.
Way more.
Yeah.
Without a doubt.
It would be like and then it'sprobably the ones that do,
that's why they get so much ofthe publicity because it's so
little or so few people thatshare that opinion.
It's like the rallies that theyrecently had as well in
Melbourne, the uh whatever itwas, the Australia rally against
immigration and how thegovernance of the country and

(32:12):
all that sort of stuff.
We spoke about that briefly,but it's like people went to
that rally.
What if what's happened since?

Speaker 01 (32:16):
Nothing.

George (32:17):
Nothing I don't know.
I'm really following it.
Hey, nothing's happened.
Has your life changed in anyway?
Have we overthrown the localand federal government?
The same people are there,they're still doing the same
fucking shit.
What's happen what's changed?
You had a huge amount of peoplein London.
They had a million people at arally.
Did you see that?
That was post that waspost-Charlie?

(32:39):
I think it was, yeah.
It was.
That a million people at arally about um immigration and
and the governance of thecountry and losing their
identity and all that sort ofstuff.
But what's changed?
What's changed?
What has changed?
Did you see recently Trumpaddress the United Nations?
Did you see that?
Yeah.
Only like yesterday, I think itwas a couple of years ago.

(33:01):
Do you see his speech?
I saw highlights.
Yeah, I saw parts of it too.
I didn't see the whole thing.
But yeah, he said some he'svery Trump-esque.
I like Trump, man.
I I like I like what he'sabout.
You know, he was there.
I reckon world leaders wouldhate him.
There'd be people there thatwouldn't get wouldn't like him

(33:21):
and his point of view.
He was saying how climatechange is a wrought, it's all
you you're all stupid if youbelieve in it.
You've got to go to fossilfuels, you um, you've got to
stop uh illegal aliens cominginto your country.
He goes, We've done it.
He goes, Look at what I've donein seven months.
I'm the only one to do it.
He goes, I'm the best.
He goes, I've done the best.
He goes, I'm not here to brag.
He goes, but I'm the only oneto have ever done what you guys

(33:44):
all talk about.
He goes, enough is enough.
You're great countries areturning to shit.
You need to do this, you needto do this.
Like it was, I thought it was agood speech anyway.
But so it says the UnitedNations, you're a joke.
Like he goes, they're they'rean absolute joke.
He goes, What do they do?
They write a nasty letter andnothing happens.
He goes, You need to takeaction.
He goes, I'm the only person tostop all these wars in seven

(34:05):
months.
Only person.
I met with all the leaders,I've stopped all of those wars,
saved thousands of lives.
Have they stopped though?
I don't know.
But that's what he's saying.
Yeah, I know.
That's what he's saying.
That's what he's saying.
So I think there is a level ofit throughout the whole world.
You know, people are gettingfrustrated with a whole range of

(34:25):
things.
Maybe more people will start tostand up.
Maybe the death of Charlie Kirkis the start of that
revolution, is the inspirationthat maybe people go, you know
what?
Because of him, I'm gonna dothis now.

Robby (34:37):
There's one thing I know about human beings and human
behavior.
It's that people fall back totheir ways.

George (34:41):
Yes.

Robby (34:42):
Whether it takes a week or a month or a year, people
will go back to doing what theydid.
Comfort zone.
They just sit there and do thesame thing.
Yeah, to the same path everysingle time.
Most people will.

George (34:52):
Do you think you do that too?
Yes.
Yeah, I think there's a levelof that for sure.
I'll give you an example.
Right?
I had an operator operation twomonths ago, a while ago.
More.
More, yeah, probably two and ahalf months ago.
I could be training everysingle day.
But what have I fallen backinto?
The habit of coming into work,doing the hours, going home.

(35:15):
Oh, I'll go tomorrow.
I'll go tomorrow.
I'll go tomorrow.
So I haven't been back at thatregular workout routine since,
even though I very much want to.
But it's just every day, ohI've got to do this, I've got to
do this, I'll go tomorrow, I'llgo tonight.
And then, yeah, cool.
I'll go once, twice a week hereand there.
But where's the consistentdiscipline?
Every Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Friday, I'm at there

(35:35):
at the gym working out, like Iwas pre-operation or pre-injury.
So, yes, people do fall backinto habits.

Robby (35:45):
And what's comfortable for them?
Yeah.
So is this a turning point?
Yeah.
Funnily enough, his company wascalled turning point.
Yeah.
Yeah.

George (35:53):
Funnily or maybe and maybe that got a pun intended.
Yeah, maybe that got a a hugeboost in people joining it and
and being a part of thatmovement.
Who knows?
Is it is it enough if itinspires that one person that
one day becomes president now?
Enough what?
I don't know.
Enough of a change, enough of apoke, enough of a prod, enough
of an inspiration that that oneperson that his death has

(36:16):
affected now creates a futureleader that changes the word for
the better.
Who knows?
He's gone.
He's gone.
But that moment has thatinspired something in someone
else.
I don't know.
Or has it instilled fear intosomeone else?
Gotten rid of that futureleader.
He was going to go for tobecome president.
Yeah, that's true.
But now he's like, you knowwhat?
Really good point.
I'm why the fuck would I bepresident?

(36:37):
Trump nearly died.
This guy died.
I believe in what they'redoing, and I just I don't want
to die.
I'm just gonna sit here andjust work as admin at local
government.

Robby (36:47):
Do you follow Kence Owens?
Yeah, I do.
You like her?
Yeah.
Like Christian's about?

George (36:56):
Yeah, to a degree.
Again, not deep.
I'm not deep in her content,but I find that I agree with a
lot of what she says.
But I can't say everythingbecause I don't know, I don't
follow it that much.
But um do you have a particularthing you want to mention about
her?
No, she's going deep on this.
Like she's well, she was veryshe was friends with him, with
Charlie as well, from myunderstanding.

(37:17):
So there was a friendship thereaside from the professional
connection.

Robby (37:23):
She is going deep on this, and there's other people.
I I don't know who's righthere.
She's going deep, saying, like,you know, someone took him out.
There's no way a 22-year-oldshould planned this all by
himself.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Someone's taking him out.
There's been somethingsomething has happened
somewhere, yeah, it's beenplanned, blah blah blah.
Um, and then you got people onthe other side who are like

(37:47):
trying to completely discredither now, yeah, and saying things
like they're not even friends,you know what I mean?
Like she's very conspiracytheorist and she got too rabbit
hole for him and blah blah blah.
And it's like, dude, I watchedthis side and I was like, hey,
she's got a point.
And then I watched the otherside and I was like, oh my god,
they've got a point.
And it's like so easy tobelieve.

(38:07):
A good argument is hard to thenyou see it and you're like, I
fully discredited her to thepoint where I was like, oh, she
might be a nutpack.

George (38:17):
Yeah, right.

Robby (38:17):
And then Harley was really good at too.
Yeah, but then she she saw thecontent and responded and
responded with facts, and I waslike, Oh, she's on.
Um, and it was cool, it's coolto see because um it's like what
drew you to that?

George (38:33):
Do you know what I mean?
You you're drawn to thoseconversations.
So you were drawn to watch it,yeah.
I know.
But like there's a side are youtaking a side yet?
Or you're going, yeah, you knowwhat?
Fuck those guys.
Well done, Candace.

Robby (38:44):
Or I I I think she can go too far down the rabbit hole.

George (38:48):
It's like even uh who was it?
Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled.
You saw with his show becausehe made comments about Kirk as
well on some I don't I don'trecall what it was, but yeah, he
got cancelled for for hiscomments.

Robby (39:00):
Isn't that wild?
Like all of all of a suddenthere's like so much news.
Isn't it wild?
I don't know, maybe I'm just aconspiracy theorist.

George (39:10):
You definitely are.

Robby (39:11):
Must be definitely are.
I just think it's crazy how allof a sudden like all this
stuff's happening, and you knowwhat I mean?
It's like usually the news islike this celebrity, blah blah
blah.
It's like cool.
Like, I don't care about that.
Now it's like real people dieand shit.
Next level.

George (39:31):
Next level.
Yeah, so very sad.
Very sad, and it's a shame.
I would have loved to have seenhow he was gonna progress over
the next 10 years, 20 years, 30years.
Maybe he would have beenpresident one day, maybe not.
Uh maybe he would have changedminds for the better.
Who knows?
Who knows?

Robby (39:52):
We um we were fortunate enough to see him.

George (39:55):
Yeah, true.
True.
And it was a surprise too.
We didn't know we were gonnasee him in person.
It was good.
It was good to come down andand actually see him have a
chat.
Have a chat have a chat withGC.

Robby (40:09):
Just have a yard.
Um Yeah.
I don't know.
Has your life changed in anyway since that event?
No, I can't say it has.
Do you feel less drawn to voiceyour opinion?

George (40:26):
I've found I've had arguments post with people on
his point of views.
But nothing's changed.
Someone said, Oh, but this, andI'll say, No, that's
ridiculous.
It was with a friend orsomething who was saying, like
he was pro uh against what hewas saying.
I said, No, how do you how canyou justify that?

(40:46):
It's this, this, this, andthis.
It's factual.
Like I can't remember thecontext now, but it was
something about what he wassaying.
But again, I'm open to theconversation.
I'll I'll say, okay, poor,prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong.
Show me where it doesn't work,show me why that isn't the case,
and then we can have, yeah,then maybe I'll change my mind.

Robby (41:06):
But until wild that that two people can see the same
thing and have completely aplace.
Completely different.

George (41:11):
Like, how does someone like I it's you always see it,
like even when they say alwayssee that that that loop where
they say what is a woman?
It's like, okay, what is awoman?
Oh, it's how you identify.
No, go you haven't you haven'tjust identified as what as a
woman.
Yeah, but what is a woman?
And they can't give thatanswer.
They're just so stuck in theirways.
And it's like, are they beingdumb on purpose?

(41:33):
Like, are they purposely justthey know they're wrong, but
they're just so deep that theycan't back out?
Is that what it is?
Or are they just stupid?
Or are they like are theyunintelligent?
Is that what it is?
Or are they just completelybrainwashed that it can be a
feeling and it's like there's adifference between sex and
gender?
And like, what the fuck are youtalking about?

(41:54):
But they genuinely believethat.
They genuinely look at yougoing, how do you not understand
this?
How do you not understand thatyou're not fluid?
Like, how they and they'relooking at you like you're the
crazy person.

Robby (42:07):
How do you not understand that?
Like, how do you not get that?

George (42:09):
I'm very fluid.
I can tell.

Robby (42:11):
That's what fluent to everything, whatever you want.
Anything, um, anything youwant, just pay your bills, yeah.
But do you know what I mean?

George (42:22):
It's a funny world.
It is a funny world, it is afunny world.
Um I feel like it's only beenlike the last five years that
it's gotten crazy.

Robby (42:34):
You reckon?
Or do you reckon you've justbecome more aware of it?

George (42:38):
I feel that uh maybe it's uh the idea.
I always have this argumentwith people.
I know what you're saying.
I just no, I feel that peopleare more extreme now than what
they were.
I don't think it was like thatback then.

Robby (42:49):
Yeah, but so no no, hold on.
There's two things to to tolook at here.
One technology uh uh newstravels quicker.
This happens 50 years ago.
We might hear of it.
That's it.

George (43:05):
I just I think more people are influenced now
because of it as well.
So I think the societalsocietal pressures, yeah, and
the views and all this sort ofstuff, and people aren't have
that lack of identity and theydon't understand, they're not
mentally strong in any waywhatsoever.
They're easily influenced.
I think that's where it'speople are maybe more mentally
challenged now, which is whyyou're seeing more of it.

(43:27):
That's where I think it's it'sit's actually more, there's a
quantity more people that arelike that.
I do, I I do think it's morethan what it was.
I'm not saying it neverexisted, I'm sure it was there
and we weren't hearing what iswhat is more as in the number of
what crazies, define crazies.

(43:47):
I almost said I almost said Ialmost dropped the C bomb.
Christmas.
Yeah, uh, you're watching mycontent.
Um just the quantity of them.
I don't know.
I just think I I don't see it alot more.
I just think there's a lot morequantity of people or groups of
people moving in a certaindirection, which is ridiculous.

Robby (44:09):
What if you were just oblivious to it before?

George (44:14):
It could be.
I just don't think so.

Robby (44:16):
You don't reckon?

George (44:17):
I don't think so, no.

Robby (44:18):
Yeah, but why?
Because like I okay, so the themost common one or the most
recent one I can recall issomeone said to me.

George (44:25):
Okay, I think I know why, okay.

Robby (44:28):
Someone said to me, someone said to me, the world's
getting um, you know, theeveryone's losing the plot and
it's it's become really unsafe,and you know, there's all these
robberies happening.
And I'm like, what robberies?
And they're like, there's allthese robberies, you don't, you
know, you don't watch the news.
I'm like, nah.
And they're like, there'srobberies here, there's
robberies there, people runningthrough people's houses, you

(44:48):
know.
Melbourne used to be safe.
And I'm like, dude, and andthen someone actually proved
this statistically, like there'sless crime, yeah,
statistically, but it justspreads quicker.
Yeah.
And I'm like, dude, two things.
One, you don't think you wereoblivious back then, like you're
talking about 30 years ago.
Like, you don't think you werefucking not paying attention,
and you don't think the newsspreads quicker?

(45:08):
It's like the whole autismthing.
Oh, there's more autistic kidsnow.
You don't think we've got thembetter at finding it?
Oh, more people get diagnosedwith cancer.
You don't think we've got thembetter at finding it earlier?
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like, uh we are so quick totake the negative in.
Like, so fucking quick, youknow.
Hey, the good old days.

(45:29):
Do you know who coined thatterm?
No, no one.
Just fuck that guy, right?
But like we're so quick to dothat, dude.
You're so quick to think, ohno, it's definitely worse now.
But yeah, you hadn't evendidn't even have the reason
until a minute ago.
And then you thought about it.

George (45:46):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Robby (45:47):
Yeah, but you were so quick to naturally jump to that
conclusion.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
And it it's it's it was thereality of the time back then.
Yeah, your reality.
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
Yeah.
But if you were oblivious, itdoesn't mean that it was
necessarily better.
That's right.
Hey, don't you real side note,but don't you wish you had stats
on life?
Like, don't you wish you couldsee how many steps you've taken?

(46:07):
Yeah, like how many sneezesyou've done in since 1984?
How many shits you've taken?
You're like, this is number1,000.

George (46:15):
That would be Are you gonna drop that?
Are you dropping a new app?

Robby (46:19):
That tells you all that.
How would you keep stats onyour whole life?
There will be a time where wedo like they put a chip into
your baby and it's it.

George (46:27):
How many heartbeats?

Robby (46:28):
Yeah, you said they're like how long you've blinked.
How long have I travelled?
Yeah.
Is that fucking K's 13Ks thisweek?

George (46:35):
It's great.
Side note.

Robby (46:37):
I can't wait for that.
Anyway, back to what you weresaying.
What's your reason?

George (46:40):
Oh no, look, I think just based off it's probably
comes down to the informationtraveling quicker.
That's what it has to be.
That's definitely an element.
Yeah, because it would changepeople's mindset.
Like you could go back 30 yearsago, but no one would be
talking about um what genderthey are at schools, but now you
will.
So is that just theinformation?

(47:01):
Is it cultural?
Is it now culturally moreacceptable?
Because you hear this shit atschool.
But there's that element too,yeah.
There's a culturally.
I think that's what's happenedalong the way as well.
And it being more culturallyacceptable, I think, has
influenced people to go, oh,okay, well, then in that case, I
am a cat and act like that.
So I think there is as a resultof it being culturally more
acceptable, but I think thatthat person was always crazy.

(47:24):
Yeah, potentially, potentially.
And then back in 30 years ago,that per that same person being
there and crazy uh wouldn't havesaid anything.
That would have been a cat,that's ridiculous.

Robby (47:36):
Yeah, that would have the holds in there crazy.
Yeah.
And then they would have satthere to one of their friends
and it's like, Do you ever thinkyou're a cat?
And their friend would satthere, shut up.
You know what I mean?
And it's like now it's justmore accepted to speak about it.

George (47:48):
Yeah, but also then I I think that's a wrong thing too.
Like if you're we say crazy, wewe're using we're throwing that
term lightly, but I'm gonnafull force.
Full force.
Like, that's how he would fullforce.
We have to have yin and yang.
Hey, stop it, stop it.
Full force.

Robby (48:03):
No, I'm gonna throw it lightly, fluid.
Side note as well.
If you've listened to thisepisode, it makes sense.
But how good's gravity?
Fantastic.
That's what I'm thinking abouton the way to work tonight.
Imagine floating gravity.
Gravity's a shit.

George (48:18):
Yeah, I've lost my train of thought.
You were saying um crazy.
If someone is like that, like Ithink they need help.
It's got to be a mental thingbefore it's a physical thing,
and you're gonna change your wayand and butcher your body to
start becoming a cat.
Like, there's a meant there's amental element of that.

Robby (48:36):
Um there is.
I agree.
I'm trying to work somethingout on this thing that's not
working.
Um watch, smartwatch, huh?
Yeah, so tell me, tell me.
If you don't have a smartwatch,what do you have?
Yeah, a dumb watch.

George (48:49):
A dumb watch.
Does your watch doesn't doanything?
Does that screen?
It doesn't I'm press button,I'm pressing the screen.
Just tells the time.
I don't think I'll ever buyanother smartwatch ever again.
Do you want to make a bet?
No.
I don't think I will.

Robby (49:06):
Hey.
It's possible, but I don'tthink I will.
I reckon you will.
You reckon you will, dude.
You reckon?
Yeah.
It's been a long time.
Do you not change the way youdo things after a while?
Like, do you if you eat a foodand you never like it, will you
try it again in ten years?
And like, maybe I'll like itnow.

George (49:25):
I mean, I haven't.
There's foods that I haven'thad in ten years.
Yeah, like there's certainthings that I don't know
ambition to try it either.
Like what?

Robby (49:36):
Oysters.
Isn't that isn't that the wholething about being stuck in your
ways?
Like going back to your wholehabits thing.

George (49:43):
Yeah, yeah, potentially.
But if you also don't like likeI could taste it, maybe you
don't like the smell, and thenyou taste it, and it's like
there's a little genuinedisgusting.

Robby (49:51):
Scent goes directly in line with um Was that my phone
that just went off like that?
How rude.
This is disgusting.

George (49:58):
Um, yeah, look, maybe I'll get a watch.
I don't know.
Uh at the moment, I I had awatch, I've had an Apple watch
uh for a couple years, and Iaccidentally broke it.
Like I came off my wrist, fell.
No, I what happened?
Yeah, I just dropped it andthen the screen popped off.
And it's like, oh, that'sfucking annoying.
And then for the weeks thatfollowed, I didn't have my

(50:20):
watch.
So every time my phone wouldring, my wrist wasn't vibrating.
And I was like, fuck.
I felt like I wasn't attachedto this thing.
And I felt great.
And I know you can turn it offso it doesn't do that, and all
that it does.
But then it's like, well, Ihave that's what I want.
I want to hear what's the pointof having the smartwatch if it
doesn't do it.

(50:42):
Yes, I'm coming.
Where are you?
You know, it's all these ones.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't think I'll I'lldefinitely not in the
foreseeable future.
I'd rather go and spend moneyon a nice analogue watch.

Robby (50:56):
Fair enough, if that's what works for you.

George (50:58):
For the time being.
That's like people.
I'll probably get a whoopbefore I get a watch.
You should get a whoop.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I get about thatbecause um but then it's like
then I have to wear it on myother hand.
So I'm not too sure if I'mwanting to do that.
That's why I got the ring, theaura ring.
Yeah, I guess that's the same.
Similar thing, similar thing.

(51:19):
I think that's much betterthough.
That's much more advanced thanwhat this is.

Robby (51:21):
But I think they're pretty Are they?
I think they're kind of maybe.

George (51:26):
Maybe.
This only lies they say itlasts a week.
It doesn't last a week.
This lasts ten days.
Does it?
It's pretty good.
This this lasts, I reckon,three, maybe four days.

Robby (51:35):
The last one used to last four days, three, four days.

George (51:36):
Oh, is that all?

Robby (51:37):
The last band.
Yeah.
Yeah.

George (51:39):
So that's a new one.
Yeah.

Robby (51:42):
That's um This lasts over a week.
Yeah, right.
I'm sure.
I I don't recall the last timeI charged it.
I can't remember.
And you can check on your app.
Yeah, and it warns you when youget to 20%.
So you got two days to sort itout.

George (51:57):
Yeah.
Sort out your life.

Robby (51:59):
Yep.

George (52:01):
Okay, so very sad with Charlie Kirk.
Would you would you go out now?
Me.
Yeah, as in say someone said,Robbie, you've got to step up to
the plate.
You're gonna be the newCharlie.
Would you do it?
Knowing the inherent risk thatcomes with it.

(52:22):
In Australia and America?
Let's say America.
Let's wherever.
Well, you're gonna be worldfamous.
Let's just say you are the nextCharlie.
Like they here, here's yourticket.
You get all his followers, youget all his following, you have
his point of views, go.
Yeah.
A few different skewed viewviews.

Robby (52:42):
Yes.

George (52:43):
Would you step up to the plate?
Knowing that there's a risk notguaranteed.

Robby (52:47):
Yeah, but look, George, the reality is we're sitting
here in Albert Park, and a truckcould drive through this
building and knock us out rightnow or a plane could crash out.

George (52:57):
It's like the girl on the train we said before.
How do you look like she was inthe wrong seat at the wrong
time?

Robby (53:01):
Yeah, someone could come in and start shooting.
Like there's always an elementof some kind of risk.
Do you know what I mean?

George (53:09):
Yeah.
If it's increased.

Robby (53:10):
If the plane goes down, it's increased.

George (53:13):
Yeah.

Robby (53:14):
When you're in when you have a bigger impact.

George (53:16):
Yes.
I'm saying if you took overCharlie's mantle.

Robby (53:21):
Yeah, I everything's increased.
If you do more worldwide,you're on more planes.
All of a sudden your yourchances of going down in a plane
increase.

George (53:29):
Yeah, that's right.
If you fly every single day, ifyou fly once a year and then
you're flying every week.

Robby (53:34):
Yeah, and you know who doesn't have any chance of going
down?
Person who never flies.
So you make your decision.
Who are you gonna be?
You're gonna do this or you'regonna do that.
Because remember, at the end ofthe day, he got shot at 31.
You might die in your home at91.

George (53:48):
Who's lived?
Who's had more of a life?

Robby (53:52):
Who's gonna end up on coin, apparently?

George (53:54):
And you got the the highest uh what was it?
The highest medal a civiliancan get.

Robby (54:00):
Martyr.

George (54:01):
No, like as in from the president.

Robby (54:03):
Oh, did he?

George (54:03):
Yeah.
What's that?
Uh like a purple star or someshit like that.
I don't know.

Robby (54:07):
A purple star?

George (54:08):
I don't know.
He got some he got the highestpossible.
So Donald Trump gave him a anaward, which was the highest
award that a civilian can get inAmerica.
It's called something.
I can't remember.

Robby (54:21):
I didn't see that.
But good.

George (54:24):
I guess.
That's what I mean.
Yeah, as you said, like he'sgetting that.
He's getting an award.
Uh he's getting a a coinpotentially.
His company's grown, hisfollowing's grown, he's made
more impact worldwide.
We're talking about him inAlbert Park.
Two weeks later.

Robby (54:40):
Yeah, but the question, George, is will we talk about
him two years later?

George (54:45):
Do you know who we haven't spoken about?
Who?
Kerwin Ray.
Have you thought about himsince the last time we spoke
about him on this podcast afterhe passed away a year ago?
I actually unfollowed him.
Here it.
I know.

Robby (54:58):
Here it is.
Why'd you unfollow him?
For that's seen his stuff.
I just I don't know.
I might I called you Doug.
You might have done it.

George (55:08):
I don't even think it's active anymore, though.
If it is, I haven't seen any ofhis posts for the longest time.
Of course you haven't.
There you go.
Like someone following him.
Maybe it was just on Facebook.
I did.
But anyway, regardless.

Robby (55:18):
Um, they're active as hell days ago.
Oh, right.
There you go.
Yeah, posted times.

George (55:25):
Have you spoken about him?
Have you thought about himsince?
Like none.
But if he was around, youprobably would have seen his
post.
You probably would have likedhim.
You're probably like, hey,let's go to this event next
time.
He's doing it.
He's nail it and scale it.
Haven't thought about him atall.
At all.
Until this very moment.
I hadn't thought about himsince.
And that's a guy he impacted alot of people in Australia,
anyway.

(55:45):
Like biz in that businessspace, most people, if you're a
small business owner, would haveeither attended his event or
known of him, seen his videos.
People in overseas would haveseen his videos.
He had videos with millions ofviews.

Robby (55:59):
And he hasn't been there that long.

George (56:03):
Yeah, hasn't been that long either.
Hasn't been that long.

Robby (56:07):
So, yes, to answer your question, would I take the step
up to the plate?
Yes, I would.
100%.
Without a doubt.
And that's why I'm gonnaannounce that the person running
for Victoria Victoria Premiereis sitting opposite me right

(56:27):
now.

George (56:28):
There you go.
Do it! Hey, a lot of peoplehate Andrews and hate the
current chick.
I hated Andrews.
I used to say I'd spit in hisface if I walk past him.
But there you go.
Like, why?
Why, George?
Guy's just doing his job.
Did a bad job, but he did it tothe best of his abilities.
And I bet you he thought he wasdoing the right thing at the
time.
Oh, 100%.
You know what I mean?
Joking he's out there?
So he'd sit there opposite now.

(56:50):
So if he was in this podcastand he goes, I did the best
thing I thought was right at thetime.
Whether it was right or wrongas a developer.
He goes, I was trying toprotect.
I'm surprised you're sayingthat.
But do you know what I mean?
Um I know, yeah, because I'vebeen like very mature.
I think he's a fucking press.
No, no, he's a fucking idiot.
He's an idiot.
I'll take it all back.
I'll take it all back.

Robby (57:06):
Um, but dude, you're right.
You reckon if he he he youreckon he got off the press it's
out there?
I'll fuck these guys up.
I'm making I'm making the worstmental grief for years to come.

George (57:17):
Like, I don't, I don't, I genuinely don't believe he did
that.

Robby (57:20):
Of course he didn't do that.
What you're like, imagineimagine walking off the thing
and say, now I'm making somereally bad decisions here, guys.

George (57:26):
And it'd be interesting to see.
Like, had he known what heknows now and everyone knows
what they know now, would youmake those same decisions?
Hindsight's a wonderful thing.
I don't think he would everadmit that because it'd be
people would come after him.
But um what's the yeah?

Robby (57:42):
But yeah, there's sort of something.
Even if there's yes, I wouldhave, like, who cares?
Yeah.
It's an opinion.
Face made a noise.
Um face made of sound, yeah.
Sound that changed your life,huh?
That's right.

George (57:54):
I think about it all the time.
I think about it all the time.
It's whenever someone upsetsme.

Robby (57:57):
Yeah, it's like his face made a sound.

George (58:02):
And there's a there's another thing too, there, right?
It's like the it gives itmeaning.
If I swear at you, if I say themost vile thing to you right
now in English, and then I saythe same thing in Greek, you
won't feel any like you're notgonna feel the same level of
upset.

Robby (58:17):
I I would be more upset if it was in Greek.
Would you?
Yeah, you've got to be liketrying to say trying to trying
to swear behind my back.
Trying to do it without menoticing, uh people put meaning
to that's what it is.

George (58:29):
They put the meaning to the sound.
Um and the meaning that youshould put to these sounds that
you're hearing through your earsright now is to get a huge urge
to subscribe to the channel.
Subscribe, tag your friends,share it with every single
person in your life.
That's what the urge should be,and how much the sound should

(58:52):
affect you right now.
Do that because it helps us, ithelps us spread the word, help
people, connect with morepeople, and hey, have
conversations.

Robby (59:03):
Isn't it isn't it sad that this guy had to get shot in
the neck to like he was famousbefore, yeah, but he had to get
shot in the neck.
He grew seven million followersafter getting shot.
And it's like, listen, help usgrow seven million followers
without the shooting.
Yeah, exactly right.
Fuck it.
I mean we grow seven millionfollowers or take a bullet.

(59:25):
Shit.
Maybe just a grace on theshoulder.
Just a maybe the not doing it.
That's it.

George (59:32):
Take it back.
Um take it all back.
But you know, it it's even whydidn't we have the conversation
about him before he got shot?
He was still very like we stillcould have discussed his point
of view.
We still could have discussed,and we didn't.
We never did.
We only have we're having thisconversation now because he got
shot, because he's dead.

Robby (59:53):
Um he's been martyred.
Martyred.
Yes.

unknown (59:59):
Yeah.

George (01:00:01):
Yeah.
Um we should speak about peoplewho are not dead next time.
Maybe we'll even bring somepeople on site who are on site
in the podcast studio who arealive that we can actually talk
to face to face.
We're going to get some guestson in the near future as well,
guys.
We're going to bring some morepeople to you and bring you some
uh insights, some differentopinions, some discussions to

(01:00:22):
help you grow, learn, and becomethe best version of yourself.

Robby (01:00:25):
Yeah, there is a link below as well.
So if you do think you would bea suitable guest, fill out the
form.
I think it's million dollardays.com that are useful slash
guests or be a guest orsomething like that.
It's got the word guests in it.
That's all I know.
And if you don't get aresponse, you probably weren't
qualified.

George (01:00:44):
Or you sent it to the wrong place.

Robby (01:00:45):
Yeah, or you sent it to the wrong place.

George (01:00:47):
That's it.
Cool.
All right.
Excellent.
Thanks a lot for joining ustoday.
We look forward to havinganother chat in the coming
weeks.
Thanks everyone.
Say uh.