March 5, 2025 • 28 mins
Step into the fascinating history of Milton, Georgia, as we explore the layers of its rich narrative—from its unique founding as a safe haven for debtors to the transformative events that shaped its development. Host Christy Weeks dives deep into discussions with local historians Jeff Dufresne and Lynn Tinley, uncovering the stories behind Georgia’s past and the challenges faced by early settlers. Together, they dissect the vision of James Oglethorpe, who established a sanctuary for the underprivileged, and how this vision transitioned into a plantation economy that contradicted its original principles.
Discover how the land lottery system altered settlement patterns and engaged Revolutionary War veterans while also addressing the harsh realities faced by Native American tribes as they navigated relationships with encroaching settlers. From the profound yet tragic impact of the Dahlonega Gold Rush to the crushing legacy of the Trail of Tears, this episode discusses the complexity of history that many may overlook.
Milton today is steeped in these legacies, and listeners will gain deeper insights into the importance of preserving these stories through initiatives like the Milton Historical Society. Engaging in this dialogue allows us to appreciate our historical roots and recognize how they influence our community’s identity today. To learn more about our past and be part of our ongoing journey, subscribe to Milton and Mane and visit our website and social channels for updates and additional resources. Don't miss out on the opportunity to connect with Milton's rich history!
Learn more about the Milton Historical Society:
https://www.miltonhistoricalsociety-georgia.org/
With the community in mind, this podcast explores the stories, people, and initiatives that make our community unique. Each episode offers insights into local government, highlights Milton's history and future developments, and showcases the vibrant arts, culture, and sustainability efforts shaping our city. Join the conversation, celebrate our community, and discover how we're building a better Milton together.
Do you have an idea for an episode or would like to request a specific topic to be covered? Email Christy Weeks, christy.weeks@miltonga.gov
Learn more about the City of Milton at www.miltonga.gov.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Milton and Maine, the official podcast for
the city of Milton.
We want to bring you closer tothe heart of our community
through stories that inform,inspire and connect.
Each episode offers abehind-the-scenes look at the
people, projects and prioritiesshaping Milton, covering
everything from local governmentand future development to arts,
culture, sustainability andpublic safety.
(00:26):
Whether you're a resident, alocal business owner or just
curious about our city, this isyour front row seat to what
makes Milton special.
I'm Christy Weeks, thecommunications manager for the
City of Milton, and today wehave a fascinating episode lined
up.
Joining us is Jeff Dufresne andLynn Tinley from the Milton
Historical Society, passionatehistorians with deep knowledge
(00:46):
of our region's past.
Jeff Lynn, thank you so muchfor being here.
Thank you, thank you.
So there's a lot of history tocover and we're going to go way
back.
We're going to start at thevery beginning Georgia's
admission as the last of theoriginal 13 colonies in 1752.
We're going to go there.
(01:06):
What were the main reasons?
Georgia was founded later thanthe other colonies?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'll take that the colony was established actually
in 1733, with james oglethorpeas a colony.
It was the um 13th state to beentered, okay, during the
revolutionary era.
We were founded later, mainlybecause we were further south,
if you will.
You know, the main settlementstarted in the north, northeast
(01:34):
and came south, and the areathat particularly the coast of
Georgia would you know, thecoast was always settled first
was really a buffer between, atthat point in time, carolina and
other Carolinas at the time andFlorida.
Florida was Spanish, okay, sothere was kind of dangerous
(01:54):
territory, if you will, and ithadn't been claimed at any point
yet.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So you mentioned James Oglethorpe and keep in
mind I am new to Georgia.
I've only been in Georgia sevenand a half years, so if you can
kind of describe his role andhow his vision for Georgia
differed from the other colonies, yeah, that's a really
interesting question.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So James Oglethorpe was English and he was popular,
I think, and successfulpolitician, and his initial
vision was to create a colonythat back up a little bit.
He worked with a lot of theprisons and so his vision was
that he could create a colonywhere debtors, there were
(02:37):
debtors' prisons, where debtorswould be incurred, and he would
bring them here, free them fromtheir encumbrance, if you will,
and create a colony.
So that was the initial mission.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I do have a question.
I have a question.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Debtors you're talking about, yeah, you would
get thrown into jail because youowed money and couldn't pay it.
Oh, man which is strange to us,because how are you going to
pay it If you're sitting in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And Oglethorpe, to his credit, you know felt like
that was not the right way to doit.
So he thought let me bring someof those people here to this
new world, create a colony, andit's a whole new vision from
what it had been before.
Now Georgia.
So he got a charger from KingGeorge, hence the state of
Georgia.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and while it was a really lovely idea, it was
kind of not really well thoughtout because this land hadn't
been settled yet and it was kindof dangerous to begin with.
So they thought that they mightbe able to A not have a
plantation slash slavery economyand, b they would produce silk.
(03:47):
So they kind of had this ideathat they could do all this
stuff together.
But they first of all had toprotect the colony from the
Spanish and from the NativeAmericans and create a whole
infrastructure.
And so very quickly theybrought some debtors over, if
you will, but very quickly.
Second, sons and beyond of thewealthy of England started
(04:08):
coming and people from theCarolinas to create another rice
and indigo economy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Wow, wow, I did not know that.
So you're kind of blending insome of the challenges that we
faced.
If want to expand on those,what were some of the biggest
ones that Georgia faced in theearly years?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
it would be climate and because it was hot.
You know, if you've ever beento England, you know the
climate's very different it'svery rainy, cloudy yeah and in
the low country it's hot andhumid so they were, and
initially, a lot of people worewool, if you imagine that.
So there's a huge shift interms of what you're wearing,
realizing you really couldn'twear wool around here,
(04:50):
particularly on the coast, atany point.
It makes me sweat just thinkingabout it Just rampant and the
colony had initially been andthis is probably one of the
biggest reasons when I look atas a kind of a social historian
they had the land that could beused in agriculture.
They didn't have the people whoknew how to do it.
(05:10):
So very quickly there was a lotof pressure from the Carolinas
and the wealthy plantationowners in the Carolinas to bring
that economy here, and so ifyou're going to run a colony you
have to have income andorganization and all that other
stuff.
And so, and relatively quickly,oglethorpe left, oglethorpe
left, and so those who were leftbehind had to deal with.
(05:33):
They had to deal with and theSouth Carolinas really pretty
much came in and said I think weshould create.
They had created the colony tonot have slavery, so by the
1750s did not have slavery.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So by the 1750s, by 1751, they ultimately gave and
admitted slavery to the colony.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wow, and was that pressure from the Carolinas?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They came in and said this is the plan.
Wow, Really fascinating study.
It really is.
And so you also mentioned theNative American tribes and the
Spanish influence.
So how did Georgia'srelationship with that affect
the development?
How did they navigate thoserelationships?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
There were forts Physically, if you think about
it, they had to create forts andthey had to be prepared mainly
for the Spanish.
Be prepared to defend them orto invade if you will, if need
be.
Same thing with the NativeAmericans, although from what I
can tell and I'm not an expertin this to a lesser degree with
the Native Americans, becauseinitially they really were trade
(06:40):
partners.
They tried to be trade partners.
You know, I probably woulddescribe it as not like a close
family With the Spanish.
It was definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's like coming to my house at thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Perhaps I'm sorry about that, but yeah.
So with the spanish it was not,it was very adversarial, yeah.
But with the native americans,I mean there were there, there's
, uh, is it jenkins year war?
I mean, don't quote me on thatone, but sure, sure there were
wars.
But the colony created early onwhat they called Indian agents.
(07:16):
So they recognized early onthat the best relationship would
be one that was co-possessivebetween them as much as it could
be so they tried to navigatethat difficulty.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I love that.
Now we're going to move aheadinto the 19th century and
Georgia had implemented a landlottery system.
Can you tell us how this systemworked and why it was created?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, I want to say that is a leap to go from.
No, it's okay, I can make itshort, but it's a leap, because
what you have to remember isthat initially the colony of
Georgia and if you look at mapsof it was really only along the
coast and gradually peoplestarted to settle.
(07:59):
You know, further north,further west, gradually, further
north, further west, and thinkof initially going up the
Savannah River, so Augusta isthe furthest north on that river
that you can navigate, so thatkind of area was settled first.
Then gradually people want moreland up the savannah river.
So augusta is the furthestnorth on that river that you can
navigate, so that kind of areawas settled first.
Then gradually people want moreland then they start moving
north and west.
(08:20):
Yeah, there's more people.
They're not just coming fromthe coast of georgia, we're also
having people coming in fromthe carolinas and virginia.
So, just gradually, through the18th century, p and 19 century,
which is where the landletteries come into effect,
people are pushing theboundaries further and further
and further, continually, mostlyto make a living and actually
(08:41):
some pressure, governmentalpressures as well, as you can
imagine.
And what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, the governmental pressures.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, it's almost like I mean today I'm not sure
if this will be dated or notwith what's going on, but it's
like hey, we're a country, wewant more land.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We want to claim it's a land grab.
I mean, it's a land grab tosome degree, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And what had happened ?
And this is a whole differentstudy which I can tell you.
But the relationships betweenthe settlers and the Native
Americans became more tense astime went on and the Native
Americans tried to become moreanglicized, which meant there
was a trade imbalance, if youwill, between the Native
(09:25):
Americans and the Europeans.
So you know, when they owedmore, if you will, will.
well, we'll give you some of ourland, because they didn't value
the land as well as the sameway that the english did so
right so, ultimately, when itcomes to this area, in beginning
, in 1805, georgia had eightland lotteries and they would
(09:51):
segment out an area of land andit was literally a lottery If
you were eligible to put yourname in the hat, if you will.
For the lottery, your namewould go on a card, it'd go in a
tub and they would just pullthe names out and the acreage
depended upon when and where.
Most anything actually, andI've seen upwards of 400 acres
(10:14):
to 40 acres, which is what thisarea was 40 acres and, generally
speaking, you paid a fee forthat right to buy it.
Today, we would say, whenbuying the land, for example, in
this area, the fee was $10 tohave the right to get that.
Put your name in the hat.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So is that what the eligibility was, or was that in
addition to the eligibility?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That was in addition.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And what made you eligible.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Primarily Revolutionary War veterans, and
they could be anywhere from aprivate to a commanding officer.
It was pretty much allowed thatthey would get their 40 acres.
Now, just jumping ahead alittle bit, there was the
Dahlonega Gold Rush shortlythereafter, where gold was found
(11:02):
in Dahlonega long before theCalifornia Gold Rush.
So the name changed from landlots to gold lots and a gold
lottery.
It had something to do.
It was more semantics, but itwas a fact.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, and so you could be a widow as well, so it
just didn't have to be arevolutionary work here.
I mean, if you're kind ofrelated to one, you could be and
you could pay that.
I know of the 1832 land lotterythat we had up here in Milton
was the only gold lottery.
Everything else was landlottery.
And it was the smallest acreagemainly because it was, you know
(11:38):
felt that they could make moremoney off of it.
And so they the state felt likethey could make more money off
of the fees because they couldmake more money off of the land.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sure, smaller lots, more fees, absolutely,
absolutely.
So as you mentioned, youmentioned, the Revolutionary War
veterans were granted 40 acrelots through this lottery.
How did this impact settlementpatterns in North Georgia, you
know, including what is nowMilton?
I mean you just briefly startedto touch on that, but how did
(12:05):
that really affect this area?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
More people.
More people on the same amountof land that the Cherokee had
had before.
So more people wanting thatland and specific to the 40-acre
lots in this area, the staterealizing that there was
ultimate chaos about what wasgoing on People were just coming
in and grabbing land and takingownership and the banks were
(12:28):
coming in and it was unregulated.
Taking ownership and the bankswere coming in and it was
unregulated.
And so, as opposed to lettingthat kind of run its own course,
the state decided here todivide them up into 40 acre lots
, sell them for that fee andreally start to organize what
was going on a little bit morecontrol more control and more
money, because the staterealized all this was happening
and they had no stake in any ofit.
(12:49):
You know the people were comingin.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You know the people were coming and mining gold and
the banks were coming andbanking of gold, if you will and
the state just didn't have anyincome from it, and then an
entire economic industry startsto develop and the state is not
as involved as they would liketo be, as they would like.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's like the land that they would like to be.
One of the interesting things Ilike to say about that is that
the gold was initiallydiscovered in Dahlonega.
There's a little town calledAuroria, which is in Lumpkin
County.
It's now a ghost town, but thatwas like the center of the
activity and today that's aghost town.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Wow, that's crazy.
My son went to school up there.
I'm not kidding, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was.
So, yeah, it was a beautifularea.
Yeah, yeah, love driving upthere.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's beautiful and it was new land unclaimed, you
know, and people just wereflooding in.
Wow, so crazy.
So let's ask this we're talkingabout the way things started to
evolve.
Was this considered fair, or orwas there a lot of controversy
around the distribution of thisland?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So it kind of depends upon who you are.
If you are a Cherokee whobelieves it's your land, yeah,
you have a bit of a problem withit.
It was almost like for thenon-Cherokee.
It was almost like the wildwild west, but in Georgia, yeah,
but in Georgia, grab what youcan.
But in Georgia, yeah, but inGeorgia, grab what you can, yeah
.
So I've never read anythingthat indicated that people who
(14:18):
were flooding the air, if youwill, were considered about
fairness.
Yeah, it really seems like itwas.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Would you agree it boiled down to people's
perception of land.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Indians thought the land was for everybody.
You know I didn't own a pieceof land.
The Indians thought the landwas for everybody.
You know I didn't own a pieceof land.
Andrew Jackson, with hismanifest destiny, said it is our
land and we're going to take itand if there's something in the
way, we will deal with it,whether it's clearing out a
village or moving people toOklahoma in the Trail of Tears.
(14:51):
So a fundamental disconnect inthe way they perceive the value
of the land.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Absolutely so, Jeff.
Thank you for mentioning that,because that's kind of where
we'll go from here, becausethat's considered one of the
most tragic chapters in Americanhistory is the Trail of Tears.
And how did this policy impactGeorgia and its indigenous
populations?
We've all been in history classor at least I remember this
(15:19):
very specifically from mychildhood and read as much as I
could about it as a child.
We're not going to talk aboutwhen I was born or any of that
stuff.
We're not going there.
But how did this impact Georgia?
Because we're talking abouttaking these indigenous people
and moving them all the way overto Oklahoma, not at will.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yes, there are some people, some white settlers,
that initially traded with theIndians.
They married the Indians, theycoexisted and survived.
But when you have a mandate andthe military moves in, they
didn't put up a resistance, atleast nothing that really
impacted anything, and they justallowed it to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, they tried to resist legally.
Like you say, when you have thefederal and the state
governments up against you, ittore families apart.
Many people died clearly onthat trip.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think it was about 60,000.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
60,000 were removed.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Were removed men, women, children over a long,
long way in treacherousconditions, and if you didn't
keep up you were shot or died.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So, as we're talking about this piece of history, did
the discovery of gold inDahlonega play any kind of
factor in the decision to move,or did that come down federally,
federally?
So it wasn't really related toanything that was going on here
(16:59):
as far as the gold up inDahlonega, and Georgia came in
and said, okay, we've got toremove.
Not specifically Okay, it justcame down from federally
mandated laws.
Gotcha, how did the localpopulation at the time react to
the government's actions?
Was there any resistance orblowback on them?
(17:23):
I mean, because you justexplained that the Cherokee did
not, but what about anybody elsehere?
Were they all on board with it?
Was there any contention?
Was it something that theydidn't agree with or they were
on board with?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You have to remember, in the 1830s, 70% of the people
were rural.
Their diet consisted ofmolasses and fatback and
cornbread.
You had your affluent people,people which were few in number,
but the majority of thepopulation were just wanted to
(18:00):
survive correct and sometimesthat just means look the other
way they weren't organized.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now we're inundated with information.
Information was probably not aseasily that's how acquired.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
We were very sparsely populated.
You know, really, you know,this is basically.
This area was basically acrossroads.
Alpharetta was a small, smalltown and people gathered and
they knew of things, but theyhad much more important fish to
fry, like feeding their children, keeping the farm going, and
some of them were definitelynegatively impacted through
(18:36):
their families because there wasa fair amount of intermarriage.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So bringing it back into today,do we see any lasting cultural
or historical influences fromthe Native American presence in
this region?
Today, I thought about this.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't really think that there is much, Do you Jeff?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, we can, and it's part of the mission of the
Milton Historical Society is torecognize and appreciate our
past.
So we're marking landmarks andcreeks and whatever.
And Chief Chicken was a popularchief Cherokee chief that has
Chicken.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Creek in his name.
I was just getting ready to ask.
I didn't want to sound silly,but the first thing that popped
in my mind was Chicken Creek.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yes, and there is certainly acknowledgement of
that past on a very, very smallscale.
There are collectors.
Aubrey Morris, a writer, a 20thcentury writer, would collect
arrowheads and tools and try tocelebrate them, but it's never
been a groundswell ofrecognition of this past.
(19:48):
He had the Cherokee Indians whomoved out, the Creek Indians
before that, so it hasn't seemedto capture the imagination of
the public as I wish it would,because it's a rich history.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, and it was kind of obliterated with the Trail
of Tears.
If you think about the West,they still have Navajo rugs and
they have the pottery and allthis stuff.
In terms of material culture,you can look too, but that
pretty much left with the Trailof Tears.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was going to say because I used to live in
Arizona, pretty much left withthe Trilatinos.
I was going to say because Iused to live in Arizona and a
lot of the areas really reflectthe Native American influence.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, but they were forged out so they aren't here.
I will say, as I was sittinghere thinking if you think about
a lot of the town and rivernames and creek names.
I mean great majority of thatwhen you, particularly when you
look at the older mapsdefinitely have jericho lineage
as it should, as it should.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So we're going to kind of jump a little bit and
we're going to talk about thecreation of milton county.
And in 1857 was that 1857, lookat.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good girl.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
What led to the formation of this county.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
As I said earlier, it was sparsely populated In 99,
that's a little high perhaps, Idon't know the exact percentage.
Agricultural Cotton is a cashcrop Feeding themselves, taking
anything extra to market andcreating families in small small
communities and a large part ofliving has to do with commerce
(21:24):
and taking care of business andpolitics and that kind of a
thing.
Poor road system let's back upto that terribly poor road
system and at the time thisparticular area was part of
Cherokee, forsyth and FultonCounty I think yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah it was.
So it was an encumbrance forpeople to have to to go to the
county seat, which was where youhad to go for business.
(21:46):
So that was really the energybehind the creation of Fulton
County, because at the timeCanton was one of the county
seats, cumming was the othercounty seat and Atlanta, I think
, was the other county seat.
So Milton County was created toease the burden on the city.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I was going to say that would have been a lot of
traveling in those days and theydidn't have time.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They had to grow crops and make money.
Somebody got to do something.
There you go, wow.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
So, speaking of the economy, what was it like here
in the early years?
You've talked about a littlebit of the industry and the
trades.
How did that begin to developand become?
Because we know it wasagriculture, so you're looking
at cotton, as you mentioned.
What else did we have?
Brewing.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Not too much.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No, it was really.
I mean, to the south you haveRoswell Manufacturing Company.
Of course that's cotton andwool, but basically they were
because the gold didn't lastvery long.
That was a short-lived gold,darn it.
Yeah, so I mean people,subsistence farming, essentially
Many tenant farmers, as Jeffhad mentioned, nothing what
(22:55):
anyone would normally consider aplantation would be up here.
It might be large farms, butnothing that was really a
plantation.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So it was really just growing crops to feed
yourselves and your animals andsurvive.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Necessity is the mother of invention.
So there were some very brightpeople like Broadwell.
There's a street named afterBroadwell.
He was an inventor, a landowner, and he invented the double
bowl cotton seed, which wouldessentially double your yield,
and it was a big deal.
(23:31):
You know the cotton gin, butthat happened more towards
post-Civil War.
The Civil War was untimely forthe creation of a brand new
county.
It's interesting to note thatthere weren't that many slaves
here, and when the vote came forrepresentatives to vote whether
to secede or not, the tworepresentatives from Milton
(23:55):
chose not to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And many did in North Georgia.
If you really we've taken alook at the votes, most people
just didn't support it.
They knew it was going to benot their war.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
They would have to fight.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
They were not wealthy , they did not have slaves, they
didn't want to go to war, theywanted to till the land and
survive and live their life.
Live their life exactly theywanted to live their life.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow, milton County eventually mer and live their
life.
Live their life they wanted tolive their life.
Wow, milton county eventuallymerges with fulton county.
Yes, um, and that that wasduring the great depression.
So what led to that decisionand how does its legacy live on
today?
Because again, as we get laterinto the history with additional
episodes, we'll talk about how,how Milton became Milton.
(24:42):
But that wasn't until much,much, much, much later.
But how did we decide to mergewith Fulton County?
Necessity.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It was survival.
We were about to go bankruptand coincidentally, campbell
County to the south also wasmerged into Fulton, so Fulton
became a county larger than sixAmerican states right now.
Huge, huge, absolutely huge.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But long.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And what's up here is very different from what's down
here.
What did people think aboutthat?
They embraced it because oncethe deaths settled after the
Civil War, you started to havebetter roads, new schools,
better teachers.
There are laws that restrictedthe amount of work that kids the
(25:31):
child labor laws.
Kids were required to go toschool seven months out of the
year rather than no schoolwhatsoever.
It was embraced, certainlybetter than it was, and it was a
good thing.
As you get into the early 20thcentury, bad things happened and
that changed the course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, we'll get there .
We do have additional episodescoming up with the two of you,
so I want to take this moment toend this section of Georgia's
history because there's so muchmore coming, and I really
appreciate Jeff and Lynn.
This has been a greatdiscussion, has been super
informative for myself.
(26:13):
I want to thank you for sharingyour knowledge and bringing
these key moments in Georgia'shistory to life.
But before we wrap up, can youtell our listeners how they can
learn more about the MiltonHistorical Society?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Content is king.
We deliver a lot of content toour newsletters, to our
historical markers, to ourmonthly programs, to our social
events, thanks to you.
Through this medium, we try tonot only educate it but create
events that are social and funto be at, and we're aiming at
(26:47):
the younger generation.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So how do we find you ?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We have a website we advertise.
We're having our Spring Fling,which is an annual event coming
up in April.
We typically have our programsat the Milton Public Library,
which are well advertised.
We have our own social media.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Just start Googling, we'll find you yeah we're
certainly not the best, butwe're doing the best with
volunteers.
You guys are dealing with a lotof information.
I'm just saying I will be sureto put the link to your website
in the show notes so it's easilyaccessible for everybody.
If anybody's curious, they canventure over there and take a
(27:29):
look.
And that's all for this episodeof Milton and Maine.
And if you enjoyed thisconversation, be sure to
subscribe and follow us for morestories about Milton's past,
present and future.
Be sure to subscribe and followus for more stories about
Milton's past, present andfuture.
And if you want to learn moreabout the city of Milton, head
over to our website, miltongagov, and give us a follow on social
(27:52):
media.
Until next time, take care andstay curious.
Thanks for listening to Miltonin Maine.
We hope this episode gave youfresh insights into what makes
our city so special.
Stay connected and don't missan episode by subscribing to
this podcast on your favoriteplatform and following us on
social media for all updates.
And, of course, if you want tolearn more about the city, visit
us online at wwwmiltongagov forresources, news and upcoming
(28:15):
events.
Until next time, thanks forbeing part of the conversation
and we'll see you on the nextMilton and Main.
Welcome to Milton and Maine, the official podcast for
the city of Milton.
We want to bring you closer tothe heart of our community
through stories that inform,inspire and connect.
Each episode offers abehind-the-scenes look at the
people, projects and prioritiesshaping Milton, covering
everything from local governmentand future development to arts,
culture, sustainability andpublic safety.
(00:26):
Whether you're a resident, alocal business owner or just
curious about our city, this isyour front row seat to what
makes Milton special.
I'm Christy Weeks, thecommunications manager for the
City of Milton, and today wehave a fascinating episode lined
up.
Joining us is Jeff Dufresne andLynn Tinley from the Milton
Historical Society, passionatehistorians with deep knowledge
(00:46):
of our region's past.
Jeff Lynn, thank you so muchfor being here.
Thank you, thank you.
So there's a lot of history tocover and we're going to go way
back.
We're going to start at thevery beginning Georgia's
admission as the last of theoriginal 13 colonies in 1752.
We're going to go there.
(01:06):
What were the main reasons?
Georgia was founded later thanthe other colonies?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'll take that the colony was established actually
in 1733, with james oglethorpeas a colony.
It was the um 13th state to beentered, okay, during the
revolutionary era.
We were founded later, mainlybecause we were further south,
if you will.
You know, the main settlementstarted in the north, northeast
(01:34):
and came south, and the areathat particularly the coast of
Georgia would you know, thecoast was always settled first
was really a buffer between, atthat point in time, carolina and
other Carolinas at the time andFlorida.
Florida was Spanish, okay, sothere was kind of dangerous
(01:54):
territory, if you will, and ithadn't been claimed at any point
yet.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So you mentioned James Oglethorpe and keep in
mind I am new to Georgia.
I've only been in Georgia sevenand a half years, so if you can
kind of describe his role andhow his vision for Georgia
differed from the other colonies, yeah, that's a really
interesting question.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So James Oglethorpe was English and he was popular,
I think, and successfulpolitician, and his initial
vision was to create a colonythat back up a little bit.
He worked with a lot of theprisons and so his vision was
that he could create a colonywhere debtors, there were
(02:37):
debtors' prisons, where debtorswould be incurred, and he would
bring them here, free them fromtheir encumbrance, if you will,
and create a colony.
So that was the initial mission.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I do have a question.
I have a question.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Debtors you're talking about, yeah, you would
get thrown into jail because youowed money and couldn't pay it.
Oh, man which is strange to us,because how are you going to
pay it If you're sitting in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And Oglethorpe, to his credit, you know felt like
that was not the right way to doit.
So he thought let me bring someof those people here to this
new world, create a colony, andit's a whole new vision from
what it had been before.
Now Georgia.
So he got a charger from KingGeorge, hence the state of
Georgia.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and while it was a really lovely idea, it was
kind of not really well thoughtout because this land hadn't
been settled yet and it was kindof dangerous to begin with.
So they thought that they mightbe able to A not have a
plantation slash slavery economyand, b they would produce silk.
(03:47):
So they kind of had this ideathat they could do all this
stuff together.
But they first of all had toprotect the colony from the
Spanish and from the NativeAmericans and create a whole
infrastructure.
And so very quickly theybrought some debtors over, if
you will, but very quickly.
Second, sons and beyond of thewealthy of England started
(04:08):
coming and people from theCarolinas to create another rice
and indigo economy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Wow, wow, I did not know that.
So you're kind of blending insome of the challenges that we
faced.
If want to expand on those,what were some of the biggest
ones that Georgia faced in theearly years?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
it would be climate and because it was hot.
You know, if you've ever beento England, you know the
climate's very different it'svery rainy, cloudy yeah and in
the low country it's hot andhumid so they were, and
initially, a lot of people worewool, if you imagine that.
So there's a huge shift interms of what you're wearing,
realizing you really couldn'twear wool around here,
(04:50):
particularly on the coast, atany point.
It makes me sweat just thinkingabout it Just rampant and the
colony had initially been andthis is probably one of the
biggest reasons when I look atas a kind of a social historian
they had the land that could beused in agriculture.
They didn't have the people whoknew how to do it.
(05:10):
So very quickly there was a lotof pressure from the Carolinas
and the wealthy plantationowners in the Carolinas to bring
that economy here, and so ifyou're going to run a colony you
have to have income andorganization and all that other
stuff.
And so, and relatively quickly,oglethorpe left, oglethorpe
left, and so those who were leftbehind had to deal with.
(05:33):
They had to deal with and theSouth Carolinas really pretty
much came in and said I think weshould create.
They had created the colony tonot have slavery, so by the
1750s did not have slavery.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So by the 1750s, by 1751, they ultimately gave and
admitted slavery to the colony.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wow, and was that pressure from the Carolinas?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They came in and said this is the plan.
Wow, Really fascinating study.
It really is.
And so you also mentioned theNative American tribes and the
Spanish influence.
So how did Georgia'srelationship with that affect
the development?
How did they navigate thoserelationships?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
There were forts Physically, if you think about
it, they had to create forts andthey had to be prepared mainly
for the Spanish.
Be prepared to defend them orto invade if you will, if need
be.
Same thing with the NativeAmericans, although from what I
can tell and I'm not an expertin this to a lesser degree with
the Native Americans, becauseinitially they really were trade
(06:40):
partners.
They tried to be trade partners.
You know, I probably woulddescribe it as not like a close
family With the Spanish.
It was definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's like coming to my house at thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Perhaps I'm sorry about that, but yeah.
So with the spanish it was not,it was very adversarial, yeah.
But with the native americans,I mean there were there, there's
, uh, is it jenkins year war?
I mean, don't quote me on thatone, but sure, sure there were
wars.
But the colony created early onwhat they called Indian agents.
(07:16):
So they recognized early onthat the best relationship would
be one that was co-possessivebetween them as much as it could
be so they tried to navigatethat difficulty.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I love that.
Now we're going to move aheadinto the 19th century and
Georgia had implemented a landlottery system.
Can you tell us how this systemworked and why it was created?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, I want to say that is a leap to go from.
No, it's okay, I can make itshort, but it's a leap, because
what you have to remember isthat initially the colony of
Georgia and if you look at mapsof it was really only along the
coast and gradually peoplestarted to settle.
(07:59):
You know, further north,further west, gradually, further
north, further west, and thinkof initially going up the
Savannah River, so Augusta isthe furthest north on that river
that you can navigate, so thatkind of area was settled first.
Then gradually people want moreland up the savannah river.
So augusta is the furthestnorth on that river that you can
navigate, so that kind of areawas settled first.
Then gradually people want moreland then they start moving
north and west.
(08:20):
Yeah, there's more people.
They're not just coming fromthe coast of georgia, we're also
having people coming in fromthe carolinas and virginia.
So, just gradually, through the18th century, p and 19 century,
which is where the landletteries come into effect,
people are pushing theboundaries further and further
and further, continually, mostlyto make a living and actually
(08:41):
some pressure, governmentalpressures as well, as you can
imagine.
And what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, the governmental pressures.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, it's almost like I mean today I'm not sure
if this will be dated or notwith what's going on, but it's
like hey, we're a country, wewant more land.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We want to claim it's a land grab.
I mean, it's a land grab tosome degree, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And what had happened ?
And this is a whole differentstudy which I can tell you.
But the relationships betweenthe settlers and the Native
Americans became more tense astime went on and the Native
Americans tried to become moreanglicized, which meant there
was a trade imbalance, if youwill, between the Native
(09:25):
Americans and the Europeans.
So you know, when they owedmore, if you will, will.
well, we'll give you some of ourland, because they didn't value
the land as well as the sameway that the english did so
right so, ultimately, when itcomes to this area, in beginning
, in 1805, georgia had eightland lotteries and they would
(09:51):
segment out an area of land andit was literally a lottery If
you were eligible to put yourname in the hat, if you will.
For the lottery, your namewould go on a card, it'd go in a
tub and they would just pullthe names out and the acreage
depended upon when and where.
Most anything actually, andI've seen upwards of 400 acres
(10:14):
to 40 acres, which is what thisarea was 40 acres and, generally
speaking, you paid a fee forthat right to buy it.
Today, we would say, whenbuying the land, for example, in
this area, the fee was $10 tohave the right to get that.
Put your name in the hat.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So is that what the eligibility was, or was that in
addition to the eligibility?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That was in addition.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And what made you eligible.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Primarily Revolutionary War veterans, and
they could be anywhere from aprivate to a commanding officer.
It was pretty much allowed thatthey would get their 40 acres.
Now, just jumping ahead alittle bit, there was the
Dahlonega Gold Rush shortlythereafter, where gold was found
(11:02):
in Dahlonega long before theCalifornia Gold Rush.
So the name changed from landlots to gold lots and a gold
lottery.
It had something to do.
It was more semantics, but itwas a fact.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, and so you could be a widow as well, so it
just didn't have to be arevolutionary work here.
I mean, if you're kind ofrelated to one, you could be and
you could pay that.
I know of the 1832 land lotterythat we had up here in Milton
was the only gold lottery.
Everything else was landlottery.
And it was the smallest acreagemainly because it was, you know
(11:38):
felt that they could make moremoney off of it.
And so they the state felt likethey could make more money off
of the fees because they couldmake more money off of the land.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sure, smaller lots, more fees, absolutely,
absolutely.
So as you mentioned, youmentioned, the Revolutionary War
veterans were granted 40 acrelots through this lottery.
How did this impact settlementpatterns in North Georgia, you
know, including what is nowMilton?
I mean you just briefly startedto touch on that, but how did
(12:05):
that really affect this area?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
More people.
More people on the same amountof land that the Cherokee had
had before.
So more people wanting thatland and specific to the 40-acre
lots in this area, the staterealizing that there was
ultimate chaos about what wasgoing on People were just coming
in and grabbing land and takingownership and the banks were
(12:28):
coming in and it was unregulated.
Taking ownership and the bankswere coming in and it was
unregulated.
And so, as opposed to lettingthat kind of run its own course,
the state decided here todivide them up into 40 acre lots
, sell them for that fee andreally start to organize what
was going on a little bit morecontrol more control and more
money, because the staterealized all this was happening
and they had no stake in any ofit.
(12:49):
You know the people were comingin.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You know the people were coming and mining gold and
the banks were coming andbanking of gold, if you will and
the state just didn't have anyincome from it, and then an
entire economic industry startsto develop and the state is not
as involved as they would liketo be, as they would like.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's like the land that they would like to be.
One of the interesting things Ilike to say about that is that
the gold was initiallydiscovered in Dahlonega.
There's a little town calledAuroria, which is in Lumpkin
County.
It's now a ghost town, but thatwas like the center of the
activity and today that's aghost town.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Wow, that's crazy.
My son went to school up there.
I'm not kidding, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was.
So, yeah, it was a beautifularea.
Yeah, yeah, love driving upthere.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's beautiful and it was new land unclaimed, you
know, and people just wereflooding in.
Wow, so crazy.
So let's ask this we're talkingabout the way things started to
evolve.
Was this considered fair, or orwas there a lot of controversy
around the distribution of thisland?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So it kind of depends upon who you are.
If you are a Cherokee whobelieves it's your land, yeah,
you have a bit of a problem withit.
It was almost like for thenon-Cherokee.
It was almost like the wildwild west, but in Georgia, yeah,
but in Georgia, grab what youcan.
But in Georgia, yeah, but inGeorgia, grab what you can, yeah
.
So I've never read anythingthat indicated that people who
(14:18):
were flooding the air, if youwill, were considered about
fairness.
Yeah, it really seems like itwas.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Would you agree it boiled down to people's
perception of land.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Indians thought the land was for everybody.
You know I didn't own a pieceof land.
The Indians thought the landwas for everybody.
You know I didn't own a pieceof land.
Andrew Jackson, with hismanifest destiny, said it is our
land and we're going to take itand if there's something in the
way, we will deal with it,whether it's clearing out a
village or moving people toOklahoma in the Trail of Tears.
(14:51):
So a fundamental disconnect inthe way they perceive the value
of the land.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Absolutely so, Jeff.
Thank you for mentioning that,because that's kind of where
we'll go from here, becausethat's considered one of the
most tragic chapters in Americanhistory is the Trail of Tears.
And how did this policy impactGeorgia and its indigenous
populations?
We've all been in history classor at least I remember this
(15:19):
very specifically from mychildhood and read as much as I
could about it as a child.
We're not going to talk aboutwhen I was born or any of that
stuff.
We're not going there.
But how did this impact Georgia?
Because we're talking abouttaking these indigenous people
and moving them all the way overto Oklahoma, not at will.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yes, there are some people, some white settlers,
that initially traded with theIndians.
They married the Indians, theycoexisted and survived.
But when you have a mandate andthe military moves in, they
didn't put up a resistance, atleast nothing that really
impacted anything, and they justallowed it to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, they tried to resist legally.
Like you say, when you have thefederal and the state
governments up against you, ittore families apart.
Many people died clearly onthat trip.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think it was about 60,000.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
60,000 were removed.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Were removed men, women, children over a long,
long way in treacherousconditions, and if you didn't
keep up you were shot or died.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So, as we're talking about this piece of history, did
the discovery of gold inDahlonega play any kind of
factor in the decision to move,or did that come down federally,
federally?
So it wasn't really related toanything that was going on here
(16:59):
as far as the gold up inDahlonega, and Georgia came in
and said, okay, we've got toremove.
Not specifically Okay, it justcame down from federally
mandated laws.
Gotcha, how did the localpopulation at the time react to
the government's actions?
Was there any resistance orblowback on them?
(17:23):
I mean, because you justexplained that the Cherokee did
not, but what about anybody elsehere?
Were they all on board with it?
Was there any contention?
Was it something that theydidn't agree with or they were
on board with?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You have to remember, in the 1830s, 70% of the people
were rural.
Their diet consisted ofmolasses and fatback and
cornbread.
You had your affluent people,people which were few in number,
but the majority of thepopulation were just wanted to
(18:00):
survive correct and sometimesthat just means look the other
way they weren't organized.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now we're inundated with information.
Information was probably not aseasily that's how acquired.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
We were very sparsely populated.
You know, really, you know,this is basically.
This area was basically acrossroads.
Alpharetta was a small, smalltown and people gathered and
they knew of things, but theyhad much more important fish to
fry, like feeding their children, keeping the farm going, and
some of them were definitelynegatively impacted through
(18:36):
their families because there wasa fair amount of intermarriage.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So bringing it back into today,do we see any lasting cultural
or historical influences fromthe Native American presence in
this region?
Today, I thought about this.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't really think that there is much, Do you Jeff?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, we can, and it's part of the mission of the
Milton Historical Society is torecognize and appreciate our
past.
So we're marking landmarks andcreeks and whatever.
And Chief Chicken was a popularchief Cherokee chief that has
Chicken.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Creek in his name.
I was just getting ready to ask.
I didn't want to sound silly,but the first thing that popped
in my mind was Chicken Creek.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yes, and there is certainly acknowledgement of
that past on a very, very smallscale.
There are collectors.
Aubrey Morris, a writer, a 20thcentury writer, would collect
arrowheads and tools and try tocelebrate them, but it's never
been a groundswell ofrecognition of this past.
(19:48):
He had the Cherokee Indians whomoved out, the Creek Indians
before that, so it hasn't seemedto capture the imagination of
the public as I wish it would,because it's a rich history.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, and it was kind of obliterated with the Trail
of Tears.
If you think about the West,they still have Navajo rugs and
they have the pottery and allthis stuff.
In terms of material culture,you can look too, but that
pretty much left with the Trailof Tears.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was going to say because I used to live in
Arizona, pretty much left withthe Trilatinos.
I was going to say because Iused to live in Arizona and a
lot of the areas really reflectthe Native American influence.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, but they were forged out so they aren't here.
I will say, as I was sittinghere thinking if you think about
a lot of the town and rivernames and creek names.
I mean great majority of thatwhen you, particularly when you
look at the older mapsdefinitely have jericho lineage
as it should, as it should.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So we're going to kind of jump a little bit and
we're going to talk about thecreation of milton county.
And in 1857 was that 1857, lookat.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good girl.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
What led to the formation of this county.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
As I said earlier, it was sparsely populated In 99,
that's a little high perhaps, Idon't know the exact percentage.
Agricultural Cotton is a cashcrop Feeding themselves, taking
anything extra to market andcreating families in small small
communities and a large part ofliving has to do with commerce
(21:24):
and taking care of business andpolitics and that kind of a
thing.
Poor road system let's back upto that terribly poor road
system and at the time thisparticular area was part of
Cherokee, forsyth and FultonCounty I think yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah it was.
So it was an encumbrance forpeople to have to to go to the
county seat, which was where youhad to go for business.
(21:46):
So that was really the energybehind the creation of Fulton
County, because at the timeCanton was one of the county
seats, cumming was the othercounty seat and Atlanta, I think
, was the other county seat.
So Milton County was created toease the burden on the city.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I was going to say that would have been a lot of
traveling in those days and theydidn't have time.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They had to grow crops and make money.
Somebody got to do something.
There you go, wow.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
So, speaking of the economy, what was it like here
in the early years?
You've talked about a littlebit of the industry and the
trades.
How did that begin to developand become?
Because we know it wasagriculture, so you're looking
at cotton, as you mentioned.
What else did we have?
Brewing.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Not too much.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No, it was really.
I mean, to the south you haveRoswell Manufacturing Company.
Of course that's cotton andwool, but basically they were
because the gold didn't lastvery long.
That was a short-lived gold,darn it.
Yeah, so I mean people,subsistence farming, essentially
Many tenant farmers, as Jeffhad mentioned, nothing what
(22:55):
anyone would normally consider aplantation would be up here.
It might be large farms, butnothing that was really a
plantation.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So it was really just growing crops to feed
yourselves and your animals andsurvive.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Necessity is the mother of invention.
So there were some very brightpeople like Broadwell.
There's a street named afterBroadwell.
He was an inventor, a landowner, and he invented the double
bowl cotton seed, which wouldessentially double your yield,
and it was a big deal.
(23:31):
You know the cotton gin, butthat happened more towards
post-Civil War.
The Civil War was untimely forthe creation of a brand new
county.
It's interesting to note thatthere weren't that many slaves
here, and when the vote came forrepresentatives to vote whether
to secede or not, the tworepresentatives from Milton
(23:55):
chose not to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And many did in North Georgia.
If you really we've taken alook at the votes, most people
just didn't support it.
They knew it was going to benot their war.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
They would have to fight.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
They were not wealthy , they did not have slaves, they
didn't want to go to war, theywanted to till the land and
survive and live their life.
Live their life exactly theywanted to live their life.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow, milton County eventually mer and live their
life.
Live their life they wanted tolive their life.
Wow, milton county eventuallymerges with fulton county.
Yes, um, and that that wasduring the great depression.
So what led to that decisionand how does its legacy live on
today?
Because again, as we get laterinto the history with additional
episodes, we'll talk about how,how Milton became Milton.
(24:42):
But that wasn't until much,much, much, much later.
But how did we decide to mergewith Fulton County?
Necessity.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It was survival.
We were about to go bankruptand coincidentally, campbell
County to the south also wasmerged into Fulton, so Fulton
became a county larger than sixAmerican states right now.
Huge, huge, absolutely huge.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But long.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And what's up here is very different from what's down
here.
What did people think aboutthat?
They embraced it because oncethe deaths settled after the
Civil War, you started to havebetter roads, new schools,
better teachers.
There are laws that restrictedthe amount of work that kids the
(25:31):
child labor laws.
Kids were required to go toschool seven months out of the
year rather than no schoolwhatsoever.
It was embraced, certainlybetter than it was, and it was a
good thing.
As you get into the early 20thcentury, bad things happened and
that changed the course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, we'll get there .
We do have additional episodescoming up with the two of you,
so I want to take this moment toend this section of Georgia's
history because there's so muchmore coming, and I really
appreciate Jeff and Lynn.
This has been a greatdiscussion, has been super
informative for myself.
(26:13):
I want to thank you for sharingyour knowledge and bringing
these key moments in Georgia'shistory to life.
But before we wrap up, can youtell our listeners how they can
learn more about the MiltonHistorical Society?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Content is king.
We deliver a lot of content toour newsletters, to our
historical markers, to ourmonthly programs, to our social
events, thanks to you.
Through this medium, we try tonot only educate it but create
events that are social and funto be at, and we're aiming at
(26:47):
the younger generation.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So how do we find you ?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We have a website we advertise.
We're having our Spring Fling,which is an annual event coming
up in April.
We typically have our programsat the Milton Public Library,
which are well advertised.
We have our own social media.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Just start Googling, we'll find you yeah we're
certainly not the best, butwe're doing the best with
volunteers.
You guys are dealing with a lotof information.
I'm just saying I will be sureto put the link to your website
in the show notes so it's easilyaccessible for everybody.
If anybody's curious, they canventure over there and take a
(27:29):
look.
And that's all for this episodeof Milton and Maine.
And if you enjoyed thisconversation, be sure to
subscribe and follow us for morestories about Milton's past,
present and future.
Be sure to subscribe and followus for more stories about
Milton's past, present andfuture.
And if you want to learn moreabout the city of Milton, head
over to our website, miltongagov, and give us a follow on social
(27:52):
media.
Until next time, take care andstay curious.
Thanks for listening to Miltonin Maine.
We hope this episode gave youfresh insights into what makes
our city so special.
Stay connected and don't missan episode by subscribing to
this podcast on your favoriteplatform and following us on
social media for all updates.
And, of course, if you want tolearn more about the city, visit
us online at wwwmiltongagov forresources, news and upcoming
(28:15):
events.
Until next time, thanks forbeing part of the conversation
and we'll see you on the nextMilton and Main.
Popular Podcasts
Are You A Charlotte?
In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.