Ep. 21 | Rewiring the Warrior Mind: NextPeak.org | Navy SEAL Guy McDermott - Mind Body Mushroom

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Welcome back to the Mind Body Mushroom, thepodcast where we dive into holistic health,
personal growth, and the mindset shifts thatfuel high performance.
I'm your host, Jordan Ryan.
And as always, this episode is brought to youby Wind and Sea Coffee, the world's
best-tasting adaptogenic coffee.
Today, my guest is Guy McDermott, the founderof Nextpeak.org, where he helps people break

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through barriers, find clarity, and align theirlives with their highest purpose.
With a background in leadership coaching andpersonal development, he specializes in guiding
high achievers towards deeper fulfillment,helping them navigate life's transitions with
intention and resilience.
In this episode, we're gonna explore Guy'sjourney, his insights on overcoming obstacles,

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and the powerful mindset shifts that can helpanyone unlock their full potential.
Whether you're looking for practical strategiesto level up or a fresh perspective on personal
growth, this conversation is one you won't wantto miss.
Guy, welcome to the show, man.
Thanks, Jordan.
Thanks for having me.
And I'm curious about where that guy is thatyou just introduced.
I know he's somewhere around here, but, youknow, I appreciate that.

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You know, everyone has their own story, theirown journey.
Right?
And we're all on a healing journey.
We're all on this path of something where someof us are not even aware that we're on a path
of healing.
And mine really started in 2020 when I was onthe edge of my bed, and I almost took my own
life.

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And if it wasn't for a really close friend ofmine, a SEAL who took his own life three years
prior, like, where he literally stepped intothe room—almost a mystical experience of sorts.
Wow.
And said, do you get it now?
Because when he took his own life, I just hadso much resentment.

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Like, here this guy was the most mentally toughguy I had ever met in my life.
Right?
Like, there's nothing that he couldn't do.
Right.
But he couldn't keep himself alive.
Right?
And, I mean, again, if it wasn't for him, Iwouldn't be here today.
And, you know, I'm fueled by this.

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Right?
I really am fueled by this idea that he savedmy life.
Right?
He came in right when I needed it the most.
Wow.
And
It was like a mystical experience.
You've gotta feel like it was, like,
some Definitely.
Inner a total intervention.
Wow.
And now it's like rocket fuel for me.

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Right?
From that day forward, I never looked back.
Right?
It was like, now, like, where my life is todayversus where it was before all this.
Right?
It's night and day difference.
Like, it's absolutely crazy to me that I hadthoughts of suicide.
Right.
No.
That's incredible, dude.
And how much of that do you think wasphysiological, like traumatic brain injury or,

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you know, versus childhood trauma versus traumafrom the military?
You know?
Is it even possible to kinda slice that up?
Put it in a bucket?
I think everyone's different.
I can now have that 30,000-foot view.
Right.
And for me in my journey, again, everyone'sjourney is a little bit different, it was
childhood trauma.

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Mhmm.
You know?
And it was head injuries.
I had head injuries as a kid.
I was on, you know, in the '80s and '70s ridingmy BMX bike, doing these big jumps, and never
had a helmet on.
Knocked myself unconscious multiple times.
Right?
And I
was a thrill seeker.
I was a Yeah.
Adrenaline junkie.
Right?
So and then in the teams, you know, blastinjuries after blast injury.

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But I think, you know, what I've learned in myown journey is that I believe that true trauma,
you know, PTS, post-traumatic stress, right,comes from the childhood, the childhood wounds.
Right?
And then as an adult, you know, how do I dealwith the similar traumas that I continue to see

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over and over again that I saw as a kid?
Right?
You know, I don't really know how to deal withthem.
Right?
I'm emotionally stuck, right, as probably alittle boy.
I'm a grown man in a little boy's body becauseI just can't break through, and I act out,
right, emotionally like a little kid when I'mfaced with this trauma.
So instead of dealing with it, I'm just gonnapack it away.

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I'm gonna compartmentalize it.
Yeah.
So it's like, no.
You're just not processing it.
You're not actually being sometimes we're noteven I wasn't even aware that I was acting out
or that I was experiencing trauma.
So Right.
I think there's also the sense of normalizingit.

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You know, that's an insight that I'm so glad tohear you speak about because I'm starting to
identify a pattern.
You know, if you talk to, you know, mostcivilians, and kind of, like, unpack their
perception of what PTS is, you know,especially, you know, operator syndrome.

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Right.
The guys that are going overseas and, you know,kicking in doors and doing this thing.
And the association is, oh, it's because yousaw horrors of war and stuff like that.
And I found that almost more consistently,that's not it, dude.
It's exactly what you said.
Yeah.
Well, it's that those are moral now moralinjuries.

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Right.
Right?
When I have to take another person's life.
Right.
You know, now I'm experiencing or when I see alife being lost in front of me, I'm you know,
there's a complexity there.
Yeah.
There's trauma, but there's also moral injury.
I didn't do enough.
Well, I didn't do my job or I this.
Like, I'm, you know, my own worst critic.
Right?
We think we all are.
Yeah.
You know?

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But I think there's another thread to thisthat's really important to understand is I
wasn't feeling.
Right?
I learned as a little boy, say, at five yearsold.
Right?
You know, when I was seeing this trauma gettingpassed down to me.

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Right?
When I saw this trauma being passed, I learnednot to feel.
I who I didn't I didn't wanna feel that.
So now I armored myself up, and I developed avery sharp sword.
Right.
And then I say it's like, listen.
I made it through Hell Week, right, because Iwasn't feeling.
I wasn't and why was that important?
Because I wasn't gonna feel sorry for myself.

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Mhmm.
Yeah.
The minute you have any grain of, like, oh, I'mit's cold or I'm uncomfortable or whatever.
Right?
You you then and I'm like, I'm only at thebeginning of this.
Like, how like, I got a long way to go.
Right?
And then that seed of doubt.
Right?
And so for me, it's like, I'm not gonna feel.

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I learn I learn not to feel, but there therethere's a there's a problem.
It's it's great to go overseas and to to do thethings that we are asked to do.
Right?
Because if I was feeling like I feel now, Iwouldn't have been able to do the things that I
did.
Right.
So great.
Like, that's like, there's a component of thatwe kinda need.
Right?
It's a protective measure, and it allows you todo your job at the fullest.

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So you're not second-guessing yourself.
Right?
Right.
But now, like, I say it's like, listen.
The hardest thing I had to do ever in my lifewasn't going through SEAL training.
It wasn't this or that.
You know?
It was getting out of the military, losing thattribe.
Yeah.
That I had.
Right?
And and I I just felt like like I pulled myhand out of the bucket of water, and the bucket

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didn't the water didn't change.
And the train just kept on going, and I justgot left.
Yeah.
And and now, you know, I say it's, like, it wasso much easier being overseas, and we we
control, dominate, manipulate, and bat thebattlefield to the to to to bend to our will.
We're pointing guns at people's faces.
Get down.

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Right?
You know, it's like Yeah.
You know?
And then now I'm I'm at home.
Right?
I'm lacking my identity.
Right?
I'm I'm talking about the
whole time.
Yep.
I'm lacking this identity of, oh, I was a SEAL.
Mhmm.
I'm I'm on the couch.
The chaos is ensuing all around me.
I can't control any of it.
Yep.
Yep.
Right?
And and now

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ambiguous.
The questions are ambiguous.
You don't know the answer to those things.
Yeah.
You know?
And and and I don't even have the capacity tofeel.
So now I'm just getting anxious.
Right?
You know, I'm I'm I'm, and now I'm depressed.
You know?
I have all these these these things coming up,and it's because I'm I'm not able to process

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feelings or emotions.
Mhmm.
Right?
You know, what what I noticed in my journey.
And and and so it's it's like, great.
You know, we're gonna send our men and womenoverseas in in a capacity.
Right?
Like like like, I was I had a traumatic trialthat not everyone does, but but I'm seeing a
pattern here.
Yeah.
I had
a lot of people that serve, right, in eitherfirst responder or or military, especially

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enlisted coming right out of high school.
I went right from high school pretty soon rightin right in in January.
Yeah.
I was
gonna ask you to go into college.
But yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
So, you know, you're you're you're missing someor not that you're missing formative years, but
the very important formative years of your life
Yeah.
Are formed in this crucible of
Yeah.
You know, the military, of BUD/S, of war.

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You know?
Right.
Yeah.
So I just go right into my formative years,right, and miss the part of, like, hey, you
know, of development.
Right?
Because your prefrontal cortex isn't fullydeveloped.
So, yeah, I went right into that, and I learnedand I had adaptive behaviors to deal with what

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I dealt with in my childhood.
I had those same behaviors come into themilitary.
It's like you know?
And, yeah, I was emotionally stuck.
I mean, I even jokingly called myself, I was anadult child.
Right.
You know?
I mean and I think a a lot of us I mean, yeah.
And I say it it sounds harsh, but it's like,yeah.
I was an adult, but but emotionally, I I, youknow, I was a it was I was a little boy.

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Right.
I never was able I was stuck.
I mean, I think one of like, in my case, one ofthe attractions to the military in general was,
I was sort of delaying that growing up process.
You know?
I was a finance major in school, and when Istarted looking at, like, what are these jobs,

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you know, for finance majors?
And I was like, holy shit.
What did I just get myself into?
Like, I'm not ready for that.
I wanna jump out of airplanes and go playsoldier and, you know, do that whole thing.
And it is a form of sort of, like, you know,it's a little Peter Pan in a sense.
No.
Well, but maybe just maybe, you know,emotionally I wasn't ready to be an adult at

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18.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Like like Right.
Let alone 22.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm I I you know, I'm just steppinginto my adulthood.
My second my second half of life, really.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
And it's so, you know, I think that, you know,we in the military, you know, there's a certain

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bond that happens there.
Yeah.
Especially in the SEAL teams.
Listen.
I would die for those men that I serve.
I would die for them.
Mhmm.
But I wasn't willing to process any of myfeelings or talk about my feelings, let alone,
like, be vulnerable.
Right?
So all the stuff that I had in me, right, thatthe shame.
Right?
I and I do believe there's a component for usand for me.

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I'm a this is my story.
Right?
Yeah.
That people may hear in their own selves, butit's like, listen.
The shame gets passed down.
The trauma, right, that ensued was actuallyshame that got passed down.
And, you know, what I've learned is, like, whenwe're little when we're little ones, right, we
look out of the crib, we look up, and we see,you know, these blobs.

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Right?
And we cry, and we're like, oh, we get fed.
Like, they become our gods, our everything.
And then somewhere along that pathway, youknow, the little mind still, which is nothing
like, when you're a 5-year-old like, look at a5-year-old's eyes.
They're nothing but pure love.
Yeah.
Right?
Just like butterfly.
Like, you know, it's like, oh.

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Right?
You know?
Like, man, I'd love to just be that 5-year-oldagain.
Right?
Just like, you know, in pure awe of things.
And somewhere along that, you know, becausewe're so open.
I think, you know, when we're so open likethat, we're opened up to all the love and
everything.
Everything, we're just taking it all in.
We're sponges.
Right.
And then, you know, our gods, right, that westill think then betray us.

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You know, something's out of alignment.
But now I'm not this what I'm taking in is I'mtaking in fear.
Yeah.
Right?
I'm taking I'm taking in the shame.
Right.
Right?
I'm nothing but pure love.
And what does pure love do?
It just takes it all on.
Yeah.
But that's what that's what shuts you down.

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So I energetically you know?
And, like, not you know?
Energetically, I took on that shame and thatfear.
It got passed down to me.
And I do think there's this component ofmultigenerational trauma.
I'm sure you've, you know, talked about thatbefore.
You know?
So not not only do I have the DNA, but now it'sget that DNA gets turned on.

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Yeah.
Here you go.
I got hey.
I got the DNA to help you with this.
We have a protective measure for you.
Well, that's the setup.
Right?
Now here I am.
I'm set up.
I've got the DNA, multigenerational trauma.
Now I have shame right in front of me that getspassed down to me, and now I'm stuck.
Yes.
Now everything I do is, what, to survive.

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Mhmm.
I'm just I'm just gonna survive.
And, man, I had some really good powerfulthings that I would do to manipulate and
control to survive.
But the reality is I have control over none ofit.
Totally.
It's it you make me think of that saying, youknow, hurt people hurt people, and it's it's,

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you know, that that choice in a lot of ways isto cause harm is a defense mechanism that of,
like, defending the harm that was, you know,caused on us, you know?
And so that cycle of violence.
Yeah.
And and I'm not even you know, listen.
I'm not really even aware.

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I I again, I numb myself.
Right?
I normalize it.
Why was I have a b on my BMX bike?
I was numbing myself with it.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, I was I was getting high.
It's like Yeah.
Right?
Feeling something.
I gotta feel something.
Uh-huh.
You know?
And now I'm, like, doing these big jumps andand knocking myself out or or whatever.
And then, right, that that you you just hit onsomething.

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Right?
You know?
That's why I become a SEAL.
I just wanted to feel.
I had this thirst for feeling.
Right?
But I had to push myself to the extreme to toget that rush.
Yeah.
Because I would because it was covered up witharmor.
Mhmm.
It's the same, Josh.
It's like you said, you know, it's the samethat that that pull to be a SEAL in a lot of

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ways is the same pull that takes someone toheroin or takes somebody
Right.
You know, which is it's you know, and thinkabout that way, especially when we put one so
high up on a pedestal and it's like this.
It's it's a great thing to to strive for, like,you know, but it there's there is a level of,
like, self-harm that is behind it in in someway, you know?

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And that's important to kind of, like,understand or Yeah.
See see how those things are parallel.
Yeah.
It's really interesting.
Yeah.
The right.
You know?
And so now here I am.
I've got my shame.
I don't even know I had the shame that I tookon.
Right?
And then as I go and as I'm going through myformative years, then I act out in certain

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ways.
Now I'm adding my own shame on top of the shamethat was passed down to me.
So now it's completely covered up.
I don't even know it's there.
Right?
But that thing that's there is the thing thatneeds to be dealt with.
And if you don't deal with that initial shame,it can't collapse.
Well, that's what we're missing.

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Like, listen.
I had to give that shame back.
I had to recognize that it was there.
It wasn't my fault.
It wasn't little Guy who was scared for hislife.
It wasn't my fault.
It wasn't my doing.
It wasn't in me.
I was just love.
I just took it on.
Yeah.
And if I don't collapse out, if I don't reallyget to the root cause of why I'm suffering or

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even identify that I'm suffering in the firstplace, caught in the rat race and gotta have
more, whatever.
Right?
Whatever addiction.
Listen.
We're all addicted.
We're all covering up shame in various degrees,and we're all addicted to something.
Pick your poison.
And what you see now in society is how manypeople are addicted to drama.

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Yeah.
No shit.
Right?
Drama.
No.
Listen.
That's a real addiction, and it's pulling usapart, and it's making us sicker.
And the system is almost like Yeah.
It's not a conscious thing.
Throwing gasoline on that.
Yeah.
Let's just throw some more fuel on that.
Right.
Because then
I then they pick my side, red versus blue.

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Yeah.
Well, both sides are just another side of thecoin, and who am I to judge?
It's like where I am now.
It's like, man, I could see a perspectivethere, and I could see a perspective there.
Same thing.
Yeah.
Right.
Ask you a question because you said somethingabout kind of, like, getting to the root cause
of that shame and sort of double-clicking, youknow, collapsing it, I think, is what the way

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you put it.
Yeah.
Can you elaborate on that?
Like, what does that mean to kind of get to theroot cause of that shame and then collapse it?
You know?
Yeah.
I you know, in my journey of healing, so thisis where notice the kind of work that I do now.
Right?
So good lead question.
But I would say, one, I have to first identifythat I have that shame.

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Mhmm.
What's the story?
Right?
What was the thing that you may even, you know,it was so damaging.
I work with men that have a lot of there's alot more sexual trauma.
Men on like, men being sodomized.
Right?
Trauma than we wanna even talk about.

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Right?
And it's like, oh my gosh.
And that's the thing that a man is gonna taketo the grave.
Right.
Right.
In the military and within the specialoperations community too, it is more prevalent
than, you know, just in just in talking withpeople and, yeah, it's, you wouldn't think
that, but you could see how it's sort of like adefense mechanism or, like, an overcompensation

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for that thing.
Like, I will never anyone's been No one
no one will ever hurt me again.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm gonna say
the most badass whatever, and no one will everhurt me.
And I'm gonna carry that shame.
It was my fault.
I was open.
I opened myself up to that.
I let that in.
No.
Right.
You were nothing but love.

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And someone took it, someone, a hurt person,took advantage of you.
It wasn't yours, and it wasn't your fault.
Yeah.
And to really, really grieve that, to really,like, oh my gosh.
Finally, I have a space.
Right?
When someone sees me and says, brother, I seeyou.

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Mhmm.
And I'm gonna hold space for you, and I'm gonnahelp you get to the root cause of why you're
suffering in the first place.
Listen.
It's your story.
It's not mine.
You have to tell it with all your heart.
Mhmm.
And you can't tell it in your own head becauseyou've made a false—you've definitely created a

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false narrative around it to protect yourself.
Mhmm.
So it
sounds like a little bit of identifying, a,that there is a problem, that there is some
form of shame that's going on, and then b,pulling out, like, what is the narrative that
I've been telling myself about that situation?

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And then, you know, it's almost like a form of,like, self-forgiveness, or is that kind of
It definitely is like this, man.
I mean, you really peel back down.
Whatever happened, you know, I don't go intodetails of my child.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's okay.
Important.
Right?
Yeah.
It's not important.
Right?
But whatever, you know, happened, whatever thatperpetrator or that person that betrayed me.

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Right?
Mom, dad.
Usually, it's like a mom, dad, uncle, whatever.
Right?
They're the a pastor.
You know?
I mean, someone of authority.
Someone that you thought, okay.
I'm safe.
I can be open.
I'm young.
Right?
I'm still trying to find my safety.
Yeah.
Right?
And then that perpetrator betrays you.

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Again, it's not their fault.
You're taking it on yourself.
Right?
It's like, oh, this is my fault.
And all along, that person, that human on theother side was probably a violator or whatever,
emotionally abused, neglected, abandoned, orwhatever themselves.
Mhmm.
Right?

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And they know no better.
Like, they are following patterns that they'restuck with their shame.
Right?
And they're doing the best they can.
They're humans doing the best they can.
And really to get like, to really look, youknow, at all of this, whatever came into my
life that I thought I was a victim to.

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Right?
And really energetically say, you know what?
You were a human doing the best you could.
Please forgive me.
Not I don't like, forgive me for making youwrong.
Because I made you wrong.
I put you up as a god.
Right?
Or whatever above me.
Right?
But you were just a human.

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Yeah.
There's a certain power in that.
Like, wow.
Like, I don't, you know, I don't need toforgive theirs.
What is there to forgive?
Mhmm.
Right?
Because I wouldn't be where I am now if itwasn't for everything that I went through.
I think, you know
That's right.
When we start doing this work, the higher yougo on this and for me to be really, hey.

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Listen.
I have absolutely no resentment and only lovefor everything that happened for me in my life.
Right.
That's not easy to achieve.
Right?
And how could we forgive a you know?
And and knowing I'm just gonna go back.
Knowing that every single person that came intomy life came into my life for a reason, and and

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everything they did, I thought, to me, happenedfor
me.
Yeah.
Dude, dude, my so my kind of, like, spiritualbelief about our own lives and whatnot is that
we are we are this is like a simulation of somesort, like, you know, a spiritual agoge where

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we're trying to level up and do something, youknow?
And so we're before you sort of spawn in thislife, we're we're picking the problem sets that
we want.
That's right.
You know?
And and that doesn't I hate sometimes that canbe controversial, like, being to say because
it's sort of like when you talk to somebodywho's a victim, it's almost like victim blaming
in a in a weird way.

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Yeah.
But, you know, I think it's it's just sort ofelaborating what you are saying in that, like,
these things are the challenges that we haveare happening for us.
They're not just happening at you, to you.
You know?
You you are there to grow and, you know yeah.
To I
wanna add that to I love that analogy, and andI use the analogy of listen.

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This this is your universe.
The minute you're you're conscious, you'reyou're in your three-dimensional movie.
This is a badass movie.
Right?
I mean, I I get to I get to feel in this movie.
I like, wow.
This is an incredible experience.
Right?
And and you are the main actor, obviously.
And then not only that, I'm the I'm theproducer.
I'm the director.

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I'm the all the actors around me are actuallyme.
Mhmm.
Right?
It's my movie.
Mhmm.
I subconsciously believe.
Right?
I really believe spiritually that, yes, wedecide almost even beforehand that here are
your crucibles.
Here's your trials and tribulations.
But because I'm a victim, I'm not seeinganything from a perspective of why is this

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happening for me right now.
Mhmm.
I immediately go into victimhood.
It's like, oh, right?
And then now it's like, I never grow.
Mhmm.
If I have the perspective that it's happening,I bet it's actually all me, and I'm the one,
then I'm taking authority.

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Yeah.
You're the agent now.
I'm the agent now.
Right.
Why are we giving our power away?
Right.
Why do I constantly give my power away?
Like, in this movie now, like, the movie now,just go down that string is I was just an
unconscious reactor to everything around me.
How like, there's that's no way to live life.
I'm just reactive now.

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Someone cuts me off the freeway.
Motherfuck you.
Yeah.
Rage.
Right?
Why?
Because I'm addicted to my cortisol, and I'maddicted Uh-huh.
adrenaline in my movie.
That's right.
So in
my movie, right?
Because pull the string.
I love this.
Jordan, let's pull the string.
In my movie now, I'm calling in things that aregonna give me my fix.

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Totally, bro.
You talk to those people sometimes where it'slike, you know, I call I call them, like, the
Eeyore.
You know, like, the rain cloud always you knowwhat I mean?
And it's like they lost their job, their carbroke down.
They just and it's not to say that, like, shitdoesn't happen, but it's like it.
There are some people who are just like itseems like they effortlessly kind of go through
life and then people that are sort of theopposite.

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And I think you're kind of hitting on it whereit's like it's again, not trying to victim
blame, but there is sort of this like you'recreating the narratives.
You are producing this movie.
So what and if, you know, those people that arefeeling shitty all the time, sometimes I feel
like it's like they're addicted to that, likesympathy, you know, whatever.
Yeah.

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Well, if if if we have power to manifest,right, you know, there's this new age.
Oh, like, I can manifest that.
Well, if I'm in the mind if I'm in the mindsetof anxiousness, if I'm constantly anxious Yeah.
Guess what I'm gonna see?
Yeah.
I'm only gonna see things that are gonna makeme anxious.
Mhmm.
But if I sit at the place of gratitude, if Iwork on my grad you know, like, self

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affirmations, like, I just I'm always remindedof the Saturday Night Live skit.
Right?
She's like, I am perfect.
I am this.
I go, like
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right?
But affirmations is the I am.
Like, what I am?
I am I am, you know, I am I I say, I amanxious.
Like, yeah.
Okay.
If you wanna I am yourself into anxious, justgo right ahead.
Uh-huh.
And if you believe that to be your reality,guess what?

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That's gonna be your reality.
And I tell you this from another this oppositeside of the seat where I am now, it's like, my
life is not the same.
It's like, I was probably if I use the analogyof we're energy.
Right?
Everything's everything's energy.
Right?
Mhmm.
And consciousness just makes consciousness, mymovie, makes it particle form.

(27:50):
Mhmm.
So unless I'm interacting with it, it's notit's not it's just energies.
99.9% pure space and energy until I interactwith it.
That's scientifically proven.
Okay.
Well, now let's, like, let's put that into mymovie.
Now anything beyond this room and what we'redoing right here, right, is is is is is energy.

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It doesn't exist.
Mhmm.
Right?
So now, like, start peeling that back.
It's like, okay.
I need to become my own agent.
Listen.
I and my brothers and you and a lot of veteransand first responders, like, we would give our
lives for the freedoms that we have in thiscountry.
Mhmm.
But I always ask guys, are you really free?

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And if you are unconsciously reacting to yourmovie Mhmm.
It has you.
Dude, incredible.
Yeah.
Do you do you know, do you know this who EdCalderon is?
No.
He's, like, a narco police guy from Mexico.

(28:54):
Super cool guy.
He's been on Joe Rogan a couple times, but hewas part of this, like, elite sort of, like,
SWAT team that was they they were going aftercartels.
They were, like, cartel hunters.
Yeah.
Anyway, so now that he's been out and he has areally interesting, you know, story because
these police, like, essentially, theirretirement plan is to go work for the cartel.

(29:16):
So and he didn't do that, you know?
So he kind of went this whole deal, but he doesthese courses.
Anyway, I'm telling you all this because I didone of his courses a couple of months ago, and
it was, it was all about, like, escaping, like,restraints and, you know, it's called counter
custody.
It was the course.
So, you know, if you're in a non-permissiveenvironment, you're, you know, something

(29:36):
happens, whatever.
And, anyway, he said something that is, like,it's been it's it echoes in my head.
And, so he showed us this picture, and it wasit was on a job that he actually did.
And it was, like, three or four people, youknow, they're in a room.
They actually, they're restrained out in frontof them, so it's not like they were even hands
behind them.

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They were restrained in front, and they had abag over their head.
They had been in custody for maybe three weeksor so.
And by the time Ed's unit had gotten to theplace, their captors, they had already taken
off.
And I think they only had one guy watching themto begin with.
Yeah.
But so what he said was that, like, if youthink there's no way to get out of something,

(30:23):
there isn't.
You're right.
You are correct.
You know?
And so always just kind of holding that, like,don't, like, lose that little grain of hope
that, like, you know because you're creatingthe prison in your own mind in some ways.
Sorry to take us off, but what
you No.
But you're right.
Like, the prison, the prison, the lack offreedom

(30:43):
Yeah.
Isn't something that you can change on theoutside.
Right.
Everyone tries to change their environment.
I'm trying to change and control theenvironment to bend my will.
Mhmm.
That's all ego thought.
That's all, hey.
I'm small self trying to put things in place tosurvive.

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All based in fear.
Very limited.
And if I'm an energy being, which I am, we justtalked about that, I'm an energy being
constantly fighting against my environment,which can't be controlled.
What?
Out from the outside.
Right?
That's the illusion.
I'm thinking I can control my environment fromthe outside when all along the imprisonment
wasn't everything that was happening outside ofme was everything that was happening inside of

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me.
Mhmm.
Right?
So I built the prison, and now I'm in a prisonwith bars that I can't even see, unaware that
I'm suffering in the first place, unaware thatI'm easily triggered.
Now if I'm an energy body and I'm at 50percent, say, now, like, I'm exhausted
emotionally.
I you know, I'm hitting the cortisol all daylong.

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I'm hypervigilant.
Do you
know how exhausting that is?
Yeah.
No shit.
You're aware.
Right?
You know, and you see guys that are on theircouch and hitting the adrenaline because
they've gotten so they created a story and anarrative in their minds.
Right?
That they don't have any hope in that and noweveryone's out to hurt me, this, that, and the

(32:14):
other to get that to get that fixed.
So let me ask you one thing.
So I'm totally with you on all of this, but Iwant to—so here's like a very practical sort of
material problem, you know, money, money beinga problem, man.
The bills aren't going to pay themselves.

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You know, we live in a super expensive, youknow, the most expensive city, you know, how do
I make more money?
How does a, like, shifting mindset kind of, youknow, change, you know, help manifest, I guess,
something that is very fucking ego-based like,you know, money.

(32:55):
Yeah.
I think there's a couple strings to pull onthat one.
It's like, what's my attachment to money?
Yeah.
There's a certain level of, hey.
Like, I mean, this reality, or in my movie.
My movies require me to have a certain amountof money to have a roof over my head.
Right.
You know, and so my well, my relationship's waydifferent with money than it was before.

(33:18):
Right?
Mhmm.
Because I was actually trying to make moremoney to, what, make myself happier on the
inside.
So there's that relationship.
You know?
Yep.
And I
got a thumbs up.
Stop doing that.
Yeah.
So yeah.
You're correct.
Nailing
it.
Yeah.
So I was trying to achieve happiness.

(33:40):
Again, that's part of controlling myenvironment, making more money.
Yep.
Right.
And I hey.
Listen.
I, you know, I'm very, very fortunate.
I have two pensions.
I retired early from the fire service from mytraumas.
Right?
Right.
And I did have a lot of trauma.
Like, you know, I'd say, you know, kinda goingback.
But, you know, I think there's traumas that weexperienced overseas that were a lot easier to

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deal with because we had this transitionperiod.
Right?
We left, we left there.
For us, we're lucky.
We went to Germany, decompressed.
You know, they now probably even havetherapists involved and all that stuff.
Right?
But we used the alcohol for our therapy.
You know?
And then I go back into another world.
Right?
Where here, you know, our first responders,it's like there's no space.

(34:25):
Right?
You're going right from a really bad call rightto home, and it's really personal.
Right?
And, again, and Yeah.
When you're when you're the things that you seeare things that are gonna trigger you.
Again, it's your movie.
You're trying to you're try like, everythingagain, if everything happens for you, I'm
calling it in.

(34:46):
Right?
The things that that are, you know, thatespecially in the first responder world, I'm
gonna see things, right, that are really gonnahit deep.
Yeah.
Really be hard, and it's gonna it's gonna makethat that thing behind the thing, right, the
chain the initial chain that much morepowerful.
Right?
And then eventually, like, I'll because I don'treconcile.

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I haven't worked through that.
Right?
That's when I wanna take my own life.
That's when I lose hope.
But you're so you the money question wasimportant maybe to some of your audience so we
can tackle that a little bit too.
Sure.
So now going back to my relationship.
Right?
What's my relationship to it?

(35:27):
Like and, you know, and I think we, you know,we have to have a a a job.
Listen, I don't want to ever have a job again.
I want to have a purpose.
Yes, dude.
I feel the same way, man.
That's right.
Totally.
I want to have a purpose.
I want to have a calling.
I, you know, I think that if we allow ourselvesor we start to heal ourselves, we start to heal

(35:49):
each other, right, then we can fall into ourpurpose and our calling.
Otherwise, I'm just going to be of theenvironment around me, and I'm going to do the
best I can.
And I have to make a certain amount of moneybecause I gotta I'm comparing myself to the
neighbors, and they got a better car.
And now I want a bigger house because you seeif you see the problem.

(36:10):
Right?
And it and and it all goes back to I'm not doI'm not looking inside.
I'm not healing inside.
None of none of your problems are outside ofyou.
None of them.
They're you money is not the problem.
Right?
We we gotta we gotta go we gotta go inside.
We got we got to go inside.

(36:30):
We gotta really start again, we have to evenrealize maybe if one person that listens to it
says, I'm actually not even free.
Right.
I I react all the time.
And and the battery that that is barelysustaining 50, right, you you get home, you're

(36:52):
exhausted.
Mhmm.
Why?
Because you're just thinking constantly.
Thinking thinking.
Mhmm.
When you're thinking that much, your brain isusing so much energy.
Yeah.
Coffee is not gonna do it for you.
You know that?
Now now I'm gonna do Monster Energy drinks,like, whatever, just just to get a just to get
a level to just because I'm just trying tosurvive.

(37:15):
And now my battery never gets above 50, so nowI have to make more money or I have to have the
bigger house.
I have to have the new car, right, to to makeme feel better.
My my energy goes up a little bit.
You know?
I'm like, oh, man.
That feels good.
This car is nice.
Now but I'm more in prison because now I can'tpark close to the grocery store because I I
don't wanna get exercise, and I wanna walk justa little bit.

(37:37):
Now I gotta park my car way far away becausesomeone's gonna freaking scratch my car.
Right.
Right.
The insanity.
Right?
Again, it goes back to I'm trying to fill mybattery up with things outside of me.
That's wow.
Now what what were a couple, like, pivotalmoments that kinda got you away from thinking,

(38:01):
you know, the way that you had while you werein and and while you're as a first responder
and towards this more personal development, youknow, learning how to introspect and and manage
your own stuff.
What where did that shift come for you?
So I I was really lucky again, you know, in mymovie.

(38:23):
You know, again, mystical, like, mysticalexperiences, like timing, everything.
Right?
Right.
So, that same day, I was gonna take my life.
You know, the the, my, senior firefighter thatwhen I was on probation, we you know, we were
really close.
He he drove down.
He was like, I gotta drive down.
He drove down that day to to see me.

(38:45):
It was all the way up in Long Beach.
Right?
So he came down from Encinitas to visit me.
And, you know, he and my wife, like, I guess,he had something I see in his ear of, like,
this program called Save a Warrior.
It was a suicide prevention program.
And so I was pointed towards that program.

(39:07):
Mhmm.
And in that program, you know, a lot of thedialogue and a lot of the words that I use
here, it started there.
Right?
That's where I finally identified the rootcauses of my suffering.
You know, the light bulb was going off.
Right?
You know, I mean, I had some experiences there.
I mean, you know, we don't have time in theshow to go through it, but I had some

(39:28):
experiences there that just blew me off myfeet.
Because they would talk about the higher power,like, surrender, like, you know, like, higher
what, like, you know, it was, you know, like anatheist at the time.
It's like nothing, like, you know, it's all,like, you know, I'm really stuck in ego.
Right?
Mhmm.
I don't wanna believe anything beyond me orthat there might be something beyond this, this

(39:54):
movie.
Right?
You know, this consciousness.
Right?
So I really, you know, I touched in on that.
I really like, hey.
If you're real, if there is something beyondthis, throw me a fucking bone.
Yes.
Because I feel like I'm so alone.

(40:15):
And, man, they threw the biggest bone.
It nearly knocked me down.
Right?
And I still can't explain what happened.
Right?
You know?
But it really got me like, my faith was so low.
It was at the very bottom.
Right?
You know?
But I had no faith.
So it got me on this, like, wait a minute.
There is something beyond this.

(40:35):
I don't know what it is.
Call it God.
Call it whatever.
You know, higher power.
There is something.
There is a spirit.
Like, there's an energy beyond this.
Mhmm.
That is somehow you know, I'm trying to putthis I mean, I have another language to this,
but that somehow has my back.
Right.
And if I actually start communicating withthat, if I start listening to that voice,

(41:02):
right, if I start really calming down this wayso now that leads me to Mhmm.
The biggest thing that got me that started thatallowed me to continue to grow this, right, was
meditation.
Yeah.
I I I
meditate once, twice a day.
Right?
I mean, I I I get up at 5:30 intentionally.

(41:23):
I I have an I start my day with intentionallydoing, you know, doing very intentional things.
Like, you know, I make my bed.
Right?
Like, it's an intentional thing.
It's like, hey.
It's part of, like, signifying to my body.
Hey.
Like, we're going into the day.
Right?
Yeah.
You know, stepping outside and getting youknow, actually stepping out into the sun for a
little Right?

(41:43):
Mhmm.
Very intentional.
But the first thing I do is I get right out ofbed and I meditate for twenty or thirty
minutes.
It's like a mindfulness meditation or
It's mindfulness, like, learning to be theobserver of of the crazy ego-based thoughts
that I have that are Right.
Like, the monkey brain.
Mhmm.
Like, if my brain is so freaking loud, guesswhat?

(42:04):
I'm not, like, I'm not even gonna hear thebirds.
Yeah.
And as I like, I even a funny story in that.
As I started getting into this practice ofmeditation initially and, you know, I was I
remember distinctly sitting on my patioupstairs, and I was like, is that a new bird

(42:24):
that made its way to Encinitas, California?
I mean, this most, like, incredible sound.
No.
That bird has been there the whole fucking
It's been living in that tree for the last tenyears.
Come on, Guy.
Wake the fuck up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right?
It's there, but we can't even hear it.

(42:46):
Like, we're hearing the noise.
We're not really listening to the essence ofwhat it is.
I mean, how many times have you driven to workand been so lost in thought that you don't even
remember half the trip?
You know, it's a similar type of deal.
It's like, you know, you can literally operatea vehicle safely and not be present in the be

(43:06):
present.
Yeah.
Right?
So the art of meditation, I say, listen.
It's not sexy.
It's but it's freaking easy.
Right?
But you have to dedicate yourself to it.
If I don't dedicate myself to this, if I think,oh, man, everything's going good today, and
it's going good yesterday, and, you know, Ikeep on meditating because it's just getting

(43:29):
even better.
Shit.
Why why why is that important?
Well, because what's happening, and, is isthat, hey.
I go to the gym.
I wanna make sure that I'm able to physicallydo the things that I wanna do.
Right?
So I take care of my body, but then my brain isjust out of control.
RPM just full redline.

(43:49):
Right?
I get that way, man.
Right?
Full red line.
So how do I then decrease the red line to getit into a normal operating, right, spectrum?
Right?
Like, let's get it back into the out of thered.
Let's get it back down.
So meditation is the way there.
Why why is why what's happening?
Well, the style of meditation that I've gottaught was called warrior meditation.

(44:13):
You put warrior on anything.
It like, at least, you know, veterans will hangon like
this.
That for me.
Warrior meditation.
Let's go.
It's like, sold.
Sold.
And here I am, this Navy SEAL that meditatesevery day and and, you know, I journal.
Like, well, then you have a diary.
You diary yourself?
So, like, yes.
I I and I talk about that too.

(44:34):
But but the this idea of of of why I meditate.
Like, what's the what's the reason?
Why do I continue to practice it?
What I'm training my mind to do is, like, herewe go.
Thoughts.
Thought.
Thought.
Thought.
Thought.
And if you're caught in so much thinking, guesswhat I'm missing?
I'm missing reality because everything that I'mthinking is a projection.

(44:55):
Right?
It's a projection of now I'm projecting mythoughts.
So if I'm anxious this goes back to if I'manxious I am.
I am.
I am.
I am anxious.
I am anxious.
Guess what?
I'm projecting those thoughts into myenvironment.
Now I'm changing my whole environment with justmy thoughts.
So
Right.
Like, man, I I can I can add some pills tothis, I guess?

(45:17):
I I can do some Ayahuasca, I guess.
I'm not against all these tools that we have.
Right.
But none of them are you know, it may like, ifyou notice after a medicine journey or whatever
or just going backpacking without your phone,you you start to have this this, wow, this
clarity in between.
And so meditation for me is this gift ofactually creating space between thoughts.

(45:43):
Mhmm.
So if I'm here, if they're all thought thoughtthought, I'm going to unconsciously react to
whatever happens in front of me.
Why?
Because I'm feeding off shame.
I have these patterns, right?
We know we don't even think about how we open adoor.
We just open the door, right?
And if someone cuts me off, I go right into apreconditioned response, which is unconscious.

(46:04):
It's right there.
Right?
So now the way through is like, wait a minute.
So now here I am.
I've been meditating for, I don't know, like,say, two, three months, but I'm starting to
experience the world just a little bitdifferently.
I'm seeing it through different I'm starting tothat beer that that bird, well, that's amazing.

(46:24):
Or going on a walk, right, with my dog and justthink, come on.
Let's go, dog.
Like, rushing him along, and I got some placeto go.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
You know,
he's just trying to check his female along theway, and he's, you know, he's missing.
He's like, dad, I got a male over there.
Right?
You know?
So I'm not even seeing the trees.
Right?
You know?
And so I it's crazy to me.

(46:46):
You know?
Even to this day, I sometimes walk with the dogin the same neighborhood that I've walked a
thousand times, and I'm like, wow.
That tree is popping today.
Mhmm.
I'm actually seeing it because I'm not caughton my own thinking what I think it is or
dismissing it or judging it or whatever.
Right?
So now here, you know, I'm training myself,like, constantly.

(47:08):
Like, how well, how much space can I get here?
Because now if someone cuts me off on thefreeway, right, if they do, I oddly enough, I
would get cut off on the freeway, like, all thetime.
There's all the assholes who were on the roadjust exactly.
They know exactly what I'm talking about.
Like, they they've, like, they oh, man.
Why?
Now I don't see any of them.
Well, maybe I was the asshole.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I'm questioning it.

(47:28):
Right?
But, again, going back to that movie analogy isI was calling that all in.
It wasn't me.
It wasn't like, no.
I don't see it anymore.
Why?
I don't need to see it.
I don't look at those small things are wellgone.
And if someone does come in, like, you know, Ijust almost got in an accident.
Thank goodness I wasn't in my van.

(47:50):
I had a loaner car.
I have this conversion van.
It's really heavy.
And had I been in that, I was just, like, thatperson wouldn't wouldn't be alive.
Oh, shit.
Wow.
Because, I mean, they would just right.
Like like and so it so I'm in thishigh-performance Mercedes.
Right?
And and and, you know, I'm on the phone.
And and and I tossed the phone, and I wentright into, like like like, I, you know, I

(48:12):
didn't even think about it.
Right?
I have skills in driving.
So I I did the thing, and I've I've completelyavoided it.
And I grabbed the phone, picked it up.
I didn't even have a spike in the adrenaline.
Right.
I I surely wasn't like mother like, you wentmotherfucker.
None of that.
I was just like like, yeah.
Oh, man.
That was close.
I almost got in an accident.

(48:32):
Yeah.
Good.
Got it.
Like, like, it didn't happen.
Right?
So I didn't need to even get to, like, I'm notaddicted to the drill anymore.
I was like yeah.
It hit me that day when I got finally got tomy, you know, where I was going.
Wow.
I was like, wait a minute.
I think I broke my addiction to
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
cortisol and adrenaline.
That was crazy.

(48:52):
Almost like a mystical like, that almostmystically like, how did I like, I didn't even
I didn't even I just went into a maneuver andcame out and, like, it didn't it didn't even
happen.
Right.
It's gone.
It instantly goes away.
Instead of being, like, all pissed off, allfueled up, all this, right, and then take that
over and over and over again.

(49:14):
And then what I gotta do?
I gotta go into the door where I'm going andtell five people uh-huh.
Like, I'm
so stuck there.
Right.
What is a
fucking waste?
Right.
So now my battery, right, that I can't get up,I'm wasting my energy on yeah.
All the shit that doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
Right.
So meditation.

(49:34):
Now listen can
you tell me a little bit about that warriormeditation?
Like, you know, as brief as you would like toelaborate about it, but just, just for the
listeners so that they can yeah.
Kinda get an idea for what what it is.
Maybe they can try it.
Yeah.
And I'll I'll share a link.
I'll just give you a link too, but it just thequick cool.
30.
It's, twenty minute meditation that's broken upinto six minute and forty minute segments.

(49:56):
So three equal segments.
So the first segment of that is, like, thisfinger tapping, which is a mudra, like, you
could see a mudra and a mantra.
So I'm actually saying something in my head,and I'm tapping my fingers.
That's like this idea that they call it thenullification.
I'm trying to nullify thought.
Right?
It's really hard if you're concentrating onthis.
Right?

(50:16):
And saying a mudra.
If I'm saying something in my head, it's hardfor thoughts to come through.
So it breaks down that first segment really,you know, breaks down that coming out of all
the energy.
Right?
I'm closing my eyes.
I'm shutting down as many senses as possible.
It helps bring you back into that space alittle bit easier.

(50:37):
It's an entry point.
And then the next phase or the middle phase isthe same thing.
You're doing the mudra.
You know, you're saying the thing in your head.
Right?
Whatever that thing is for you.
They use.
Right?
So but you know, you can use whatever you want.
And I'm breathing.
I'm breathing in through the nose, and outthrough the nose.
Right?
I'm, you know, and I'm purposely breathing.

(50:59):
I'm breathing in my belly.
We don't even breathe right.
Because of our willingness to want to lookskinny, we actually breathe out of our chest
versus our belly.
You watch a baby breathe, a baby breathes withtheir belly.
Right?
So we're constantly walking around stressed,like, under tension.
Right?
Just by breathing.
Yeah.

(51:20):
So I'm not really shallow breathing.
Like, it's so normal, which is then engagingthe system to be in what?
A hyper-vigilant state.
Yeah.
It's like it's a whole physiology in the key.
So, oh, so I'm teaching myself to breathecorrectly even.
Right?
I wasn't even breathing right.
So now through meditation, it's like reallybelly breath.
You know, fill the fill the belly or thediaphragm, drop the diaphragm, you know, fill

(51:42):
the chest with that, and then you fill the toppart of the chest and you suck in that last bit
and then let it out.
Right?
In through the nose, out the nose.
So that's so that happens for 6 minutes 40seconds.
So the last phase of this, the last 6 minutesand 40 seconds, it's, it's, it's metacognition.
Right?
I'm gonna sit, and I'm gonna be the observer ofmy thoughts.

(52:03):
Mhmm.
The only way through this, in my opinion, Ithink I not only that.
I don't want there's probably many ways.
Right?
But I think for me on my path is I had tobecome the observer of my thinking mind.
Right?
I had to separate myself from those thoughtsand be the observer in order to then put them
at bay.
So the thoughts, right, are the ego part.

(52:25):
Right?
Say ego.
Right?
We are in control.
I'm gonna edge God or higher power completelyout of this, and I'm just gonna think my way
through this, back and forth thinking.
And if you really start to identify yourthoughts, like, sit in a you know, put an eye
mask on or close your eyes and start toidentify your thoughts, you're like, all
thoughts are either gonna be in the past orthey're gonna be in the future.

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There's no such thing as a current thought.
It's all past story or a future or worse off apast story that's projected into the future.
Yeah.
Alright.
Okay?
So now through thinking, I'm not being what?
Present.
Mhmm.
If I'm not present, then I'm not gonna have thespace.
So I'm teaching myself to be present.
Okay.

(53:07):
That's, you know, thought comes throughinstantly or right away.
It's like, like thought.
Oh, what what kind of thought is that?
Is that a past thought or a future thought?
Identify just play a game with you.
Identify it.
Oh, that's a past thought.
Or, hey.
Oh, mow the lawn.
You gotta you have to mow the lawn.
The wife said you gotta mow the lawn.
It's like, I'm meditating right now.
That's a future thought.
Let it go.
Yep.
It's not serving me.

(53:28):
Oh, past thought.
Yeah.
Like but that's not reality.
That's not now.
Is any of the things that happened in your pastreal?
Only only to who?
You, I guess.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're the only one who's real to you.
So you so but we're replaying those thoughtsconstantly.
Right.

(53:49):
And so now
It's something about, like, discomfort is evenkind of that way or pain or anything like that
where it's it's pain isn't happening right now.
It just happened, and you've already enduredthat pain.
You know what I mean?
And now you are, like, caught on the thought ofwhat just happened and then the anxiety that

(54:11):
you might feel it again.
But the the right now is pain free.
Yeah.
Right.
Truly.
Right?
So so now we, you know, we have a mechanism,like I say, you know, you can you know, I
jokingly say, well, past thought, swipe right.
Future thought, swipe right.
Yeah.
Like, I'm just swiping away.
Swipe swipe.
You know?
Or the analogy of the leaf coming out of thetree.

(54:33):
It's like, that leaf is your thought.
Yeah.
Right?
Oh, that's a past thought.
It's gonna hit the river, and it's gonna godown the river.
And so you're visualizing this a little bit.
Like, that's kind of the way that you'reoccupying or not occupying your mind, but,
like, that's the way that you are addressingthese thoughts as they go up.
It's almost like a vision.
Learning.
That's how I'm learning to observe the thought.

(54:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
So, like, oh, yeah.
I do I think a lot, and and it's none of it'sreally serving me.
You know?
Like, I mean, get to a level, like, you know Imean, it's hard not to think.
I mean, there I still like, you know, thoughtsare bubbling up in my mind all the time.
Right?
Right.
Right.
But more and more, you know, I say now when Ihold space for someone, when I when like this

(55:17):
even this podcast, I I have no idea what we'regonna talk about.
I I don't I don't know.
I like, but if I try to think about what I'mgonna talk about, then I'm losing something
there.
I'm losing authenticity.
Mhmm.
Listen.
This is my story.
This is what I'm going through.
These are the things that work for me.
I I I didn't read this in a you know, I andthen, I mean, just read this in a textbook.

(55:39):
I I watched masters and sages.
Right?
You know?
I I I I pay I'm I'm actually being present morepresent than ever with people that that I never
thought in a million years would be my teacher,to include a homeless man on a park bench
outside of the my gym.
I had I had a two month relationship with thisman.
He was Eckhart Tolle on steroids.

(56:01):
That's awesome, dude.
But if I didn't, but if I had a judgment in mymind, if I was thinking, right, if I wasn't
open, if I wasn't open, you know, and what hitme on him was I was, you know, I'm trying to be
more mindful.
You know?
Like, you know, I'm on my journey.
Right?

(56:21):
I'm still not really aware.
I don't have the 30,000-foot view yet, but, oh,like, well, I'm, you know, I'm gonna ask this
guy if he needs anything.
Right?
You know?
Like, be the good person.
I was you know, I'm being authentic with it.
Right?
I'm not being inauthentic.
I mean, like, hey.
You know?
Like, hey.
Do you need anything?
Yeah.
And he looks at me.
Like, he just looks up, and he says, you know,brother, I have everything I need.

(56:44):
Wow.
And I was like, I was like, this guy'shomeless.
He's dirty.
Right?
And he looked at when he said that it was itwas this it was not only how he said it.
It was how I felt when he said it.
Why?
Because I'm on my journey.
I'm starting to feel more.
I'm actually feeling people.
I'm you know, we're all empaths.

(57:05):
But now I'm starting to feel, like, the impactof what he just delivered to me.
And I couldn't get him out of my mind.
It's all about thinking.
Right?
I was like, like, I need to engage this.
I wanted so badly to engage this person now.
So I was hoping the next day.
It's like, I hope he's there.
Right?
It wasn't one thing.

(57:26):
And so I went into the gym.
He wasn't there.
And when I came out, he was there.
And I thought, well, how, like, you know, Scottwas nervous to talk to this guy.
Right?
I don't know why.
It's craziness.
Right?
Still this guy in the park bench.
And I was like, it's dawned on me.
Like, oh, just don't sit on the bench with him.
Sit on the step next to him.

(57:47):
Put yourself below him.
Mhmm.
And open yourself fully to him.
What is the one thing that I have that heprobably would appreciate?
It's a little tip like time.
Just you're just someone to hear.
Yeah.
It's time.
It's time.
Listen.
We're not even giving ourselves time, let aloneother people.

(58:08):
So I let them down.
Someone that weaves or society tells you is,you know, you know, I don't know anyone that's
striving to be homeless.
So you're kind of already associating like,what could I possibly learn from this?
Why would I
What can I learn?
Right.
Right.
Give my time to this homeless guy?
Mhmm.
And then this unfolding.
This this holy cow.

(58:30):
This guy's Eckhart Tolle on steroids.
Literally, God on the park bench deliveringsomething to me so freaking powerful that I'm,
like, baffled that no one like, like, he shouldhave 20 people sitting around him listening to
this.
Just a homeless guy.

(58:51):
But but if I was caught in thinking I'm just goback.
Right?
If I was caught in thinking, oh, judgment.
Right?
Thinking, judgment, you know, comparison.
It's all ego-based stuff.
Right?
Thinking is all the ego-based stuff based on anold story again.
Right?
So if I was caught there, if it had me, if Iwas, like, if I was caught in the illusion of

(59:11):
that, I would have missed it.
Mhmm.
So now, like, the gift is I was already here.
I was already here.
I was already, you know, experiencing the worlda little bit differently, and I was oh, I'm so
open.
Listen.
Jordan, I don't have any of this figured out.
I don't know shit.
Why is that important?

(59:32):
Because now you it opens up the possibilitythat you may have something really important to
say.
Right.
But if I'm if I'm in this con if I'm not trulypresent, right, if I'm thinking how many times
have you have you been in
a
conversation with someone and you were justthinking about what you were gonna answer?

(59:53):
Right.
Right.
Like or, like, waiting for the next thing thatyou're gonna say or something like that.
Like, totally, dude.
That's
All the time.
All the time.
Me too.
All the time.
Right.
I'm trying to validate my significance becauseI'm caught in shame.
I'm caught in shame.
You see it now.
I'm caught in the shame.
Yeah.
So I have to I have to externally validate somekind of position to cover up the shame.

(01:00:20):
And meanwhile back oh, sorry.
I was just gonna
ask you, what
what happened when you sat next to him in thenext day?
And, you know, what
did So I tell him about a atwo-and-a-half-month relationship with him.
I just carved it.
It was part of my day.
I would I would work out.
I would I and and we were we were on huggingterms.
It was it was amazing.
Right?
Like like

(01:00:40):
like, I I I got him a Christmas present.
You know, it was all through you know, it waswinter.
So I'm you know?
And and I got him a journal because he's, youknow, he's gonna be he said he's gonna write a
book.
Right?
And I was like, I'm not surprised, friend.
Like, I'm gonna see you on YouTube.
Right?
Like, Eckhart Tolle, you know, at some point inthis.
It's like and then he was an older guy.
He was he's probably, it's hard to tell, youknow, because he was Yeah.

(01:01:03):
Pretty simple.
Miles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
But he was probably in his sixties.
Right?
But very, very wise.
So, yeah, there was this transmission becauseof my, again, openness, because I'm not caught
in thinking.
Right?
And me, like, listen.
If I'm gonna give my time, if I'm just caughtin my own thinking while I'm giving my time,
then what am I doing?

(01:01:23):
I'm fucking wasting my time.
Why?
Am I because I'm there for my own significance.
Yeah.
See the difference?
I'm there for my own significance.
Well, I have I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna help thisguy.
No.
No.
I'm gonna help him with his significance.
Thoughts.
Thoughts.
Thoughts.
Thoughts.
Well, you're also not in it's like you'resaying, like, you're by doing that, you're not

(01:01:44):
present.
So you're just living in some other time framethat isn't now, you know, and that you don't
really have control over because it's not now.
You know?
Yeah.
And, again, I'm thinking about the future ofwhat what I because I wanna be significant
Mhmm.
Wanna say to him.
Mhmm.
Because I'm his savior.

(01:02:05):
Right.
Right.
Right.
Hear
this hear this right.
Right?
Like, hey.
Right.
Warriors are everyone else's saviors.
Warriors become everyone else's saviors.
Service, all service.
Nurses, first responders, veterans, we becomewarriors because we don't want anyone else to
get hurt.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We become now there's a lot of dynamics andthings that play out in there.

(01:02:29):
Right?
You know?
I'm be now I'm never gonna look inside.
I gotta help everyone else.
Like, no.
No.
No.
I don't have I don't know shit.
I have so much to learn.
I have so much to learn.
Like, the true wisdom is really thinking thatknowing that you know nothing.

(01:02:49):
Mhmm.
And being open to the possibility that, hey.
Maybe maybe there's, you know, all thereligions, right, are pointing to the same
thing.
And maybe if I open myself, like, I'm notconfined to just one religion.
I'm not against I'm not against that.
I'm just saying, for me, it's like, listen.
I think there's great things that the sageJesus Christ, right, was that we're trying to

(01:03:10):
transmit to us.
Right?
You know?
And some people got it because they sat aroundthe park bench and listened to him or on the
Sermon on the Mount.
Right?
Because he had something profound to say.
Right?
You know?
And then maybe Buddha, you know, yeah, Buddhaand, you know, other masters, you know, that
are saying all it's all they're all saying thesame thing in different ways.

(01:03:31):
Mhmm.
And
now I'm just open to the possibility of, like,woah.
What like, now that I've learned how tomeditate, I'm now, you know, my meditation is
different now.
I just go right in the metacognition.
I don't need to stair step myself there.
I'm I'm I'm I can drop in.
I can drop in, and I'm training myself goingback to the original question.

(01:03:52):
I'm training myself just to slow down thethinking mind so that I can actually see
reality, life on life's terms.
Right.
And not be reactive.
And then have that mindset of, like, listen.
I'm the one calling this in anyways.
It's all me.
How long did
it take you to get to that point where you feltsweat, you know, regularly meditating where

(01:04:16):
you're like, hey.
I've I've made a little bit of space now, and Ifeel this isn't like an uncomfortable
Yeah.
You know, chore to me.
You know, I was it's it's 30 when I when I gotmy first hit of, the the bird, I was like, oh,
there's something here.
Or I wasn't feeling I've been in a meditationnot feeling my body.
That took about 30 plus days.

(01:04:36):
Right?
You know?
And and I I think I was probably in a pastlife, if you believe in that, like, I probably
was already meditating.
I think I really mastered the hard meditationin a previous life that I'm like, I took into
this one because I got there pretty fast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty interesting.
But I I I think it's, like, there's no place togo.
You know?
That's all you can go.
Right?
Uh-huh.
So it it's just it's just I'm just I'm justtrying to become more aware, more present.

(01:04:58):
And in order to have awareness, I have to havepresence.
Right?
Because if I'm projecting my thoughts, all I'mgonna get back is because I'm the producer and
the director.
If I'm projecting my thoughts, all I'm gonnaget back are those thoughts.
Right.
Now
If someone feels stuck in their life, like,what is a, you know, what's sort of the first
steps that they should take to kind of feelingunstuck?

(01:05:23):
Let's stuck is a it it you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a weird that's a weird term.
I don't know if I can
Let me work can I work with that, though?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course.
Of course.
Yeah.
Like like stuck.
Right?
So I'm stuck.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, I think there's verbiage, like, like, youknow, we get stuck we we're stuck in a past.
Right?
We're stuck in the old story.

(01:05:43):
We're stuck as little kids.
Right?
Yeah.
But Yeah.
But I think it's, the suffering.
Right?
Am I am I is is can life be better, or or am Imissing something?
Am I am I free?
Right?
You know, like, that's it's, you know, yeah,stuck, but but, like, how do you what's the if
you if I'm just saying where where you know, mything just I'm I'm stuck, where's where do I go

(01:06:07):
from there?
So if I identify Yeah.
But if I identify, like, what I'm lacking
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
I think.
And this was coming up.
Right?
Yeah.
Solve a new thought.
Like, if I'm if I'm identifying what I want tobe, like, what I'm lacking, if I'm lacking if
I'm not free, and I finally identify that I'mnot free, and I see the my mental like, I see

(01:06:28):
it all in front of me.
Right?
Because now I'm bringing what awareness, right,to the fact that, wow, I I'm I'm the most
reactive asshole on this planet.
Shit.
Like, people were probably trying to tell me orwhatever all along the way, but what because
I'm covering up my shame, I'm just gonna be indenial.

(01:06:49):
I'm a narcy, really.
Mhmm.
Right?
And I don't even know narcissist doesn't evenknow they're a narcy.
Mhmm.
They don't even know what the word they don'teven know what it is because they're stuck in
their own lie, in their own thinking.
Mhmm.
Right?
So now I just have to be brought to anawareness.
I have to know, let's I'm not free.
Now I have an X.
We, service members, veterans, we need an X.

(01:07:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
My my X is I would just wanna be authentic.
I wanna be true to myself.
Right?
And I wanna be fucking free.
Yeah.
Like, free.
Like, well, no.
Like, money doesn't have me by the ballsanymore.
Yeah.
The the the shiny new car, I don't really care.

(01:07:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a tool.
Like but but all these things that I thought Iwas doing on the outside of me to bring myself
to inner peace were causing me to be more inprison.
Mhmm.
So identify where you wanna be.
Do you wanna be anxious?
Right?
Yeah.

(01:07:49):
There is a bit of stuckness.
We're stuck somewhere.
Right?
But but but now, like like being honest withourselves, like, I'm I'm I lie to myself
constantly.
We all do.
So so now, you know, I I I have to stop lyingto myself.

(01:08:10):
I gotta be true to myself.
Yeah.
It sounds like you're kinda saying changingyour relationship to the narrative of these
problems that we're having is it's identifyingwhere you want to go.
Like, what is free?
What is the X, you know?
And then it's like, okay, well, if I want tofeel free, but right now I have anxiety and the

(01:08:32):
anxiety that I'm having is because I, I feellike I'm not making enough money and I'm not
making enough money because I can't you know,whatever the case is, you know, we kind of put
together and sort of, like, change what youknow, identifying where you're trying to go and
then change that narrative.
You know?
That seems where a lot of and then everything'snot kind of falling into place.
Is that kind of how you would, you know?
I'm saying, like, money is not the not money isnot the evil.

(01:08:55):
It's my relationship to money.
Yeah.
Of course.
For sure.
And and because because we don'tunconditionally love really unconditionally
love people or give people our energy becausewe because we transact with it.
Listen.
If I'm caught in shame, I'm gonna transact withyou.
I'm gonna give you a certain amount of energyand love or whatever.
Why?
Because I want it.

(01:09:15):
Yeah.
I want something in return.
That's so true.
Wow.
Right?
So so now here I am caught in shame.
My battery's at 50%, and I'm giving away energyto then get energy in return because I can't
you I can't look inside.
It all points back to that initial shame.
And then the story becomes like, man, I'm justso generous.

(01:09:38):
I'm doing everything for everybody, you know,and what I'm not getting No one sees me.
No one sees it.
Doesn't everyone understand?
Like, I feel so.
And now you're caught up in in this.
Like, dude, that that's yeah.
100%, man.
I, that rings true to me for sure.
Yeah.
So yeah.
I I I mean, you know, for, you know, myjourney, meditation, journaling, that was

(01:10:00):
another thing.
And I have I have a I have someone coming at02:30 or 02:25.
So how do you wanna do this?
Cool.
So we can wrap this.
What for maybe the last kind of We can
do part two if you want.
Dude, I would love to have you back on 100%.
This would be so good.
I love this conversation.
This could definitely be a three-hour show.
Yeah.
I can talk.
Let's plug Nextpeak.

(01:10:22):
I wanna hear about Nextpeak and maybe kindawhat you're doing and how people can access and
connect with you and, you know Yeah.
So support organization.
Part of this journey of, like, well, you know,where's the x?
Right?
So this idea of Nextpeak came into place islike, listen.
You know, achieving your next peak isn'tanother job.

(01:10:44):
It isn't more ego and this, that, and theother.
It's wholeness.
I use the word wholeness.
I wanna become whole.
I wanna become authentic.
Right?
Yeah.
You
know?
And and and so that that's right, that thatpeak.
But what I was missing at the beginning of allthis, what I was what I was really missing,
right, is when I was missing faith.
Right?
I was I I was I was I was I wasn't even awarethat I was suffering.

(01:11:06):
Right?
I was caught in the valley despair.
I call it the valley despair.
Yeah.
Right?
When you're down in the smoggy and you don'teven realize, Right?
You don't even realize you're in it.
You're of it.
Right?
So it's just part of who you are.
And, you know, I think, and I say this analogyof the shiny helicopter that we have been
taking to the peak, right, called psychedelics.

(01:11:29):
Mhmm.
Which I think I'm not against it.
I think it's a powerful tool.
Right?
I've experienced it.
I've died, and I believe that you only have todie so many times, right, before you find,
like, okay.
I get it.
Like yeah.
Right?
So but we go into contract, and we get on thehelicopter, and someone pays the money for us
to go.
We have no skin in the game.

(01:11:50):
Right?
We were told loosely by some other guy thatcame back from a psychedelic retreat, like,
wow.
Like, everyone's gotta go down there becausethey're bright-eyed and they're open finally
for the first time in their lives.
Mhmm.
And so you go down there and you or, you know,you go on the helicopter and you take the ride
all the way up and every thread in your body islike, this is where I belong.

(01:12:11):
Like, pilot, let me off.
Let me off this helicopter.
Like, that helipad right there, these peopledancing, that's where I belong.
And he's gonna look at you and say, hey,player.
You can get off right now.
It's just one step.
And you look down, you're like, fuck no.
It's a big step.
It's a big step.

(01:12:33):
Yeah.
It's a huge fucking step.
Yeah.
But what are you missing?
You're missing faith.
That that is your reality.
That's who you are.
That's your God-given right.
For sure.
But then you have to fly back down in thevalley to despair, and you just gotta start
hiking your way up.
Yeah.
Right?
You gotta start climbing.

(01:12:53):
One step in front of the other.
And the more shit you let go of, the moreconstructs that you've developed to protect
yourself from the shame that you held on to.
Right?
You start to become a little bit more free.
And everyone, like, I say, like, look, there'sas many paths to that space as there are stars
in the universe.

(01:13:16):
Like, your path is your path.
My path is my path.
I'm not gonna judge your path, Jordan.
But at some point in this, our paths are gonnacross, and they did today.
Mhmm.
Right?
So now our paths cross.
Right?
Now our universes aligned for that moment.
Right?
And now we because we're doing this work.

(01:13:37):
Right?
We're open to the possibility that, hey, maybeyou have something to offer me, and then maybe
I have something to offer you.
Mhmm.
Right?
So now we're reaching I'm reaching my hand outto you, right, on your journey because we come
in contact and then we start journeyingtogether, and there might be a day when you're
reaching your hand out to me.

(01:13:58):
Mhmm.
And we're sharing.
We're empowering each other.
So Nextpeak, right, we started in 2020.
It was based on therapy and peer support forthe guys that were going down to Mexico and
doing psychedelics.
Mhmm.
I was seeing them come back just, like, like,just, like, wow.
And then eight weeks later, they were worseoff.

(01:14:18):
I
was like, well, you know?
So we started doing really high-quality traumatherapy for those that were open to it.
Right?
And because of where they were coming out, itwas available.
Right?
They were open.
So they started their lives startingtransforming.
But we added a component to that that was, Ithought, really, really powerful.
We added peer support.

(01:14:38):
So the guys that were on their journey, right,they're climbing, they they were, you know,
they had an op we had an opportunity tointersect with a guy, right, like, a little bit
faster.
Right?
We had an opportunity to intersect.
So now peer support, right, became we have peersupport and we have therapy.
Now the healing was actually happening throughpeer support.

(01:15:01):
Totally.
That release actually you were saying with the,with you know, as a warrior, you know, like, we
wanna help other people.
We wanna be there.
But for
But warriors heal.
Brother, warriors heal warriors.
Yeah.
We heal each other.
No one's gonna heal, no one's gonna understandwhat we went through except us.
And we will go back into the line of fire.

(01:15:21):
I will go back into the line of fire to grabyou.
I will sacrifice my life, but yet, at the sametime, I'm only trauma I'm only trauma bonded
with you.
Mhmm.
And I'll save you.
But now what we're creating and cultivatingthrough this nonprofit, right, through
community, right, which was what we morphedinto is authentic loving connections and bonds
with each other.

(01:15:42):
Right?
Intimate.
Like, I yeah.
Intimate.
Yeah.
I love you, brother.
I got you.
I will hold space for you.
Whatever you I'm not gonna judge you.
Safety.
Listen.
I didn't grow up in a safe house.
So where am I gonna actually start to heal?
I'm gonna heal where it's safe.

(01:16:02):
Yeah.
I don't go around expressing vulnerability torandom strangers.
Right?
Well, I'm kinda doing that maybe through this.
I don't know.
Right?
Point doesn't matter.
Point like I gotta.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Right?
It's like, listen.
Like, we need a space to actually verbalize.
I need to say this out loud.

(01:16:24):
Yeah.
I need to talk about this.
I need space to grieve.
Mhmm.
I never I never had a chance to grieve.
The initial shame, and I need to give it back.
I need to have dialogue with that.
So now what it's all universe.
Right?
I definitely know that I'm in alignment withwhat I'm supposed to, my calling and my

(01:16:45):
purpose.
Right?
Mhmm.
So.
Nextpeak really has morphed into empoweringveterans and their families, and we do first
responders too with us.
We're growing too.
To empowering them to return to wholenessbecause we are once whole when we are little.
Nothing but pure love.
Mhmm.
Right?
Like that five-year-old's whole.
Return back to wholeness through community andconnection.

(01:17:09):
Listen.
This is not the pills.
It's not the meds.
It's not all these things that we have.
It's not the psychedelics that's gonna saveyour life.
I promise you.
What we need is at least one, hopefully, threeauthentic, loving connections with other
warriors.
Mhmm.
Because if I have a bad day now, Jordan, I haveso many men and now women that I can call and

(01:17:35):
say, I'm struggling today.
Brother, I got you.
And I have an ability then to reallyexperience, feel, let feelings get processed,
and actually cry.
Yeah.
And he's just gonna hold space and love on me.
That's fucking intimate.
Totally.

(01:17:55):
And it's so important.
And I have so many brothers, and I'll end itwith this.
I have so many brothers that are taking theirown lives that I've talked to, guys that
interacted with them days before, and theysaid, he seemed like he was just normal old
Bobby.
Why then did he take his own life?
Because he didn't have a safe place to grieve.

(01:18:19):
He was never granted that opportunity, and it'snot our fault.
Right?
I mean, look.
We're trauma bonded.
So it's that authentic connection.
So we really are growing a community.
We're above the VFW in Solana Beach.
It wasn't a bar.

(01:18:40):
Right?
I don't know again, I never imagined in amillion years that I'd be part of a VFW.
So we have this golden opportunity.
I call it Project Restore, Project RestoreHope.
It's an initiative that we started to changethis into a safe house so that men and women,
right, that serve their nation can actuallycome in, like, what and what's gonna draw

(01:19:01):
someone in?
Right?
I have to be creative on creating value.
Right?
Right now, the value for a VFW is, like, you'regonna get cheap drinks, you're gonna get to
hang out in a very dark dingy place wherethere's a bunch of dead people hanging on the
walls.
Sign me up, man.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Like, no, no tale, no tale to taste there.
No, like, no.
It's just a bunch of Vietnam guys.

(01:19:22):
I love them.
Right?
But they're killing themselves with alcohol,and I don't wanna do that anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now we have this opportunity to create asafe place.
Right?
The values is we're remodeling this place herein Solana Beach.
It's gonna feel like a second home.
We're not gonna memorialize anyone on theinside.
We're not gonna have old stories on the walls.
It's gonna feel like a house.

(01:19:43):
I love it.
We're gonna have a coffee bar here to serve thepublic.
Why is that important?
Because I want the public to come up, and it'llbe a veteran-owned coffee shop.
Right?
That to come up, buy their coffee, and hearsome of our stories.
Now they see what we're doing.
Also, the shiny objects was like, when I'mstuck in ego, I need a bunch of shiny objects
to get me in the door.
Right?
We're gonna have cold plunges.

(01:20:04):
Everyone that's the rage.
It's like, I'm gonna go sit in the freaking icebath.
Right?
You know?
And then I'm gonna do, you know, the sauna, redlight therapy.
Right?
You know?
Like, all anything and everything I can get inhere that is holistic in nature.
Yeah.
Dude.
That they're all tools.
Right?
They're all, like, they're all powerful tools.
Like, yes, red light therapy is fucking goodfor you.
Like, we know that.

(01:20:24):
But, you know, they're damn expensive, and ifI'm part of a studio that's doing it, it's
gonna cost me a lot of money.
Right.
Right.
So now I think that's what's gonna create thevalue.
Now someone comes in the door.
Right?
And over time, they may or may not have anexperience with someone that's doing their
work.
Right?
That understands that the red X is I dude, Ijust wanna be free.

(01:20:47):
I just wanna be free.
Yeah.
Hey.
Let's have a real talk about that.
Wow.
So peer support turned into community.
Community, right now, we're forging authentic,loving connections with one another.
That's what's gonna, in my opinion, gonna helpwith veteran suicide.
Totally.

(01:21:08):
Because, brother, we save each other.
We will reach our hand out for each other.
No one else is going to do this for us.
We have to do it for ourselves.
Mhmm.
Restore this is gonna be a rebrand of, youknow, the VFW at large doesn't even know this.
This is gonna be a total rebrand.
Such a good idea, dude.

(01:21:29):
Like, oh my god.
Like, again, not my idea.
Like, it was I'm just the vessel.
I'm just here and putting it in place.
Right?
So a rebrand.
Right?
This will be the first Restore Hope VFW, wherewe're actually restoring hope not only into the
VFW, going back to the original mission, butwhy they were started in the first place,
because they weren't started to be socialgatherings.
They started because they had no VA.

(01:21:51):
And these guys were coming back from theSpanish American War Mhmm.
Bottled.
And
so they what
did they do?
Like, they came together in community, and theystarted healing each other.
Right.
Right.
And on top of that, they created the VA system,which now 125 years later is is is no fault of
their own, right, is failing us.
Yeah.

(01:22:11):
Right.
It's it's no fault of their own.
There's no there's no blame game here.
Right?
They're just not aware of why we're suffering.
Mhmm.
And they're shoving I had six different pills Iwas on, and I was sicker.
I'm not advocating to get off your meds like,hey, man.
Get off your meds.
No.
You gotta work your way off that.
Right?
Okay.

(01:22:31):
I don't take any meds.
Zero.
I sleep like a baby.
I have so much energy.
I don't drink coffee for God's sakes, and youthink I'm on fucking crack right now.
I'm not.
This is natural.
Like, we are energy bodies.
My battery is at a 100% now, and I'll end itwith this.

(01:22:52):
Now when I transact, I don't transact because Iwant anything in return.
No.
I don't.
I don't need it.
I don't need it.
Now it's authentic.
That's very powerful.
That's authentic.
Yeah, dude.
We gotta stop transacting.
We gotta care for each other.

(01:23:13):
I'm not reaching my hand out to you becauseit's gonna make me taller or bigger or better.
Look at me.
Hey, guys.
Look at me.
I'm helping people.
Mhmm.
No.
Mhmm.
Like, just, like, hey.
I happen to give.
I have I have in reserves.
Yeah.
You have it in reserves.
That's kinda weird.

(01:23:33):
But yeah.
But some days, I don't.
And guess what?
You're gonna be like, hey, brother.
I see your
your
your what's going on?
And you're gonna reach out.
That's what we need.
That's what this is.
My God.
Great.
I love that, dude.
That was such an amazing mission that you guysare working on with Nextpeak.

(01:23:59):
I can't wait to check out the VFW when it's,yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
And I
would love to be a part of it in some way,shape, or form.
Like, please
I'll have you join.
You can join the first Restore of VFW.
The idea is we're gonna reach our capacityreally fast here.
I think we're gonna reach our capacity beforethe remodel's done.
Probably.
And the grand opening is gonna be a bunch ofveterans that are just like, okay.

(01:24:22):
And then the VFW largely to say, what the fuckare you guys doing?
You're not serving alcohol.
No.
I'm stealing I'm you know what I mean?
When I'm serving, what we not my.
What we are serving is hope for each other.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm serving hope.
All we need is a tiny little seed of hope.
Right?
The guy in the mask.
Like, hey.

(01:24:43):
Like, I'm gonna die.
Yeah.
You'll die.
Or or, hey.
Listen.
Someone gave me a seed of hope.
Mhmm.
I'm gonna give it to you.
Right?
I gotta go.
That's good.
Guy, let's do this again.
Let's connect.
I'll find well, I'll send you a thank you.
Thank you so much for your time.
This has been Mind Body Mushroom.

(01:25:04):
Guy McDermott with Nextpeak.org.
Check him out.
Give him a follow.
I'll throw a bunch of stuff in the show notes,and we'll do a part two sometime.
Yeah.
I love brother.
Hey.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It was an honor, right, to be on this show.
So I really I am really honored and humbled.
Thank you for sharing your story, man.
I really appreciate you.
Right.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.

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