Travis Kelce's Dad Bod , Oat-Zempic , and the Return of Hybrid Training

Ever wondered if the latest weight-loss fad on social media could be your golden ticket to dropping pounds? We're dissecting the Oat-Zempic craze and giving you the real scoop on whether it's a dietary dream or just another flash in the pan. And for those riding the fitness merry-go-round, we're offering fresh insights into hybrid training's comeback – is this the ultimate workout blend you've been searching for? Plus, we're tackling the 'dad bod' debate head-on, with a candid chat about why elite athletes like Travis Kelce don't need to sport magazine-cover muscles to dominate their sport.

As your trusty guide through the maze of health trends, I'm spilling my personal whole foods playbook – sharing how nuts, seeds, and avocados aren't just tasty add-ons but powerhouse ingredients for peak nutrition. We'll crack the code on using dietary fats to boost nutrient absorption and how complex carbs are the unsung heroes of long-lasting energy. Dining out tonight? Don't let restaurant bread be your downfall; I've got tasty strategies to enjoy it without the guilt. Let's cut through the diet dogma and celebrate the wholesome, simple goodness of real food – your body will thank you.

Join me as we take a step back to appreciate the artistry of the athletically diverse – those who dodge the specialization trap and thrive across multiple physical disciplines. From ancient warriors to modern-day CrossFitters, we explore the rich history of hybrid training and what it can teach us about our own fitness journeys. Whether you're a sports specialist, a general fitness enthusiast, or just looking to shake up your routine, this episode promises a compelling blend of historical insights, personal anecdotes, and practical takeaways to fuel your next workout.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Mind Muscle Podcast.
Here's your host, simon DeVere,and welcome back to Mind Muscle
, the place we study the history, science and philosophy behind

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everything in health and fitness.
Today, I am Simon Devere, andthere's nothing new except all
that has been forgotten.
So we got some fun stories outthere in the news this week,
main things that we are going todive into today, just to let

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you know where we're going withthis whole thing.
We're going to talk about thenew O-Zempic Oat-Zempic I got to
emphasize that Oat-Zempic trendon TikTok, new weight loss
drink.
We'll break that down.
Give you my thoughts on whetherthat's going to be worth it or

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not.
We also want to discuss todaythe rise of hybrid training.
Anyway, you might notice thatat least a lot of articles being
written about it, people thatare blending strength, aerobic
work, mixed modality training,jumping ahead, ahead, but
obviously cross training is notnew.

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We will break down this new fadand see if there's anything
worth bringing into your programor whether this is something
that you should skip out on.
I kind of like it.
Spoiler, but last one I want totalk about too, though, is also
making the rounds this week.

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The internet was draggingTravis Kelsey over his dad bod.
I guess that surprised somepeople that a tight end on a
football team might not berocking a six pack.
Anyway, probably surprising,but I'm actually going to be on
Travis Kelsey's side.
Another spoiler there, but Idon't think that this should

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have been as surprising as theintranet found it.
But yeah, we'll talk on thatone last.
I think it'll kind of lead inquite well if we break down our
other stuff first.
So, without further ado, withoutfurther ado, let's get started
over on TikTok.
This is kind of where almostall bad fitness ideas are really

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percolating and getting rollingout of my mandate, if you will,
but also a lot of for me tofind things that we can debunk
and shoot down.
But it is actually kind ofstartling just how quickly bad

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ideas seem to go viral on TikTok.
So, anyway, latest one that Isaw in the health and fitness
space is so there's a new drink,that's all the rage, and then
again, you know, let's justconsider to the media ecosystem
we live in.
I do this often but you know, Ijust want to remind people I'm

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not on TikTok, so I don't knowwho's actually writing these
trend pieces.
This could be a real thing orthis just could be a bullshit
story that's getting swallowedup by everybody all the
journalists who have to writetrend pieces on deadlines but
anyway, we are going to react tothis as if this is a real thing
, and so at least the trend.
It's a drink.
The drink that is beingpopularized is about a half cup

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of rolled outs, one cup of water, lime juice and cinnamon.
Nothing wrong with any of that.
It is being marketed, though,as a weight loss drink, and
there are promises of losing 40pounds in two months.
But before we get intodebunking it, let's actually

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start with some of the positivebits.
So I guess people are sayingthat eating oats can give you
some of the same benefits ofozempic, meaning appetite
suppression.
So yeah, we'll dive deeper intothat, but sure this is kind of
why I advocate.
People eat whole foods all thetime, so there's a half-truth
there, and then they havestretched it, like I always

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point out, into being almostcompletely useless.
So now back to the claims.
They are promising people tolose 40 pounds in two months.
Now that claim, right there,should just raise obvious red
flags for anybody.
Not only should you not.

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Well, a lot of ways to come tothat.
40 pounds in two months is astupid goal to begin with.
You should go a lot slower thanthat.
That's a nice big headline.
So I see what they're doingwith trying to grab attention
there, but let's actually justrun down real quick, as if we
were actually going to do thatreally stupid goal of losing 40

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pounds in two months.
So weight loss really is allabout creating caloric deficits,
and I know the myriad ways thatpeople have tried to overturn
thermodynamics in nutrition.
All have failed.
There's no negative calories.
There's no ways that you cancancel things out, or if you

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shift to this macro versus thatone, you're just kind of
outsmarting yourself.
You're definitely not trickingyour metabolism.
So to actually lose 40 poundsin two months, we can
approximate the caloric deficityou would need to have, and in
two months that would need to beabout 140,000 calories in

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deficit in two months.
So we could break that down perweek to about 17,500 calorie
deficit per week, or that wouldequate to roughly a daily
deficit of 2,500 calories.
So if you could achieve a dailydeficit of 2,500 calories and

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maintain that for eight weeks,then you could possibly lose
those 40 pounds in two months.
Truth is, though, on the otherend, it actually wouldn't matter
what you were eating, you justneed that deficit.
So the Oat Zempic drink atleast has some healthy things in
there.
But you could do the same thingwith Twinkies.

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You could do the same thingwith Pixie Stix.
If you just simply got yourselfinto a 2,500 calorie deficit
daily, it doesn't matter whatyou're eating.
It could be the healthiestchoice or it could be complete
crap, and you would still losethe weight if you had that daily

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deficit.
I don't think I need to say thisagain, but why I was kind of
blunt about that being a stupidgoal is if you actually achieved
40 pounds of weight loss in twomonths, it's basically
guaranteed that you lost a lotof muscle, a lot of water, maybe
a little bit of fat, but mostlywater and muscle.

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And so, yeah, if somebodyactually did this, I would
expect them to have a gnarlyrebound.
I would expect their metabolismat the end of this thing to
just be absolutely crawling likemolasses in wintertime, doing
nothing.
And yeah, if you actually didthat, you would set yourself up

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for your next lifetime of healthproblems.
Would set yourself up for yournext lifetime of health problems
.
So never done this, but we will, without doing this.
Give this a solid zero stars.
Do not attempt, do notrecommend.
This is really dumb.
Back to the half-truth that Ithink this was built on is that
oats are a great food choice.

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I know that oats got demonizedwith the rise of gluten-free,
paleo, some of those things.
I myself got off of oats for awhile following those claims to
no benefit, I might add and sothat's why I circled back and I
can say that, yeah, oats reallydo decrease appetite, but not

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just shilling for oats here.
Um, even though I am sponsoredby, uh, big oats, uh, or quaker
oats not, not really the quaker,you want to hit it I'll do ads
for you guys.
Um, no, uh, quaker oats, anyoats, uh, decrease appetite just
like any other whole foods.
Um, there's nothing magic aboutoats.

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Unfortunately, that mightundermine my attempt at gaining
oat sponsorships.
But no, all whole foods aregreat, including oats and all
the other ones.
And the mechanisms that wholefoods decrease appetite well,
there's a few, but, spoileralert, they're not exactly
comparable to how the weightloss drugs are decreasing

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appetite, but I guess it's stillprobably worth running down why
they actually do this.
First reason I would point towith whole foods is high fiber
content In general, whole foodsare going to be rich in dietary
fiber.
It's going to slow digestion.
It's going to alter theglycemic index of whatever
you're eating.
So even if you're eating somesugar God forbid, because

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everybody thinks it's toxicright now but even if you did
have some sugar with fiber, it'sgoing to fundamentally alter
the glycemic index, which isbasically how quickly that sugar
gets into your bloodstream.
Tldr too long, didn't read.
This is good.
So, yeah, it's not only going tobe oats with fiber.

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Fruits, vegetables, of course,whole grains, legumes all the
foods that we always recommendare going to help you achieve
that.
Another bonus with fiber, whichmy daughter got quick story,
sorry, already breaking off theplan here, but yeah, my daughter
was being a little bit cageyabout going to the bathroom for

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a number two.
I had mentioned the role offiber in that, and now my
daughter is definitely scared ofeating fiber.
So the other people getting into don't eat fruit.

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Obviously, we had thegluten-free movement pushing
people away from oats.
If you're celiac, you should.
If you're not celiac, I don'tknow why you're doing that.
All that to say, one of theleast common denotatives of
people who live long lives issignificant consumption of fiber
.
So now back to the point of ourdiscussion today.

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Yeah, it'll make you livelonger, but it's going to make
you feel fuller for longer ingeneral.
So, yep, high fiber foods areabsolutely going to help with
satiety, feeling full, feelingsatisfied, and so, yeah, not
exactly like Ozempic, but stillpretty useful.
Another mechanism that actuallymake whole foods more filling

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is going to actually be justtheir nutrient density.
Whole foods are going toprovide essential vitamins and
minerals with fewer caloriesthan their processed food
alternatives.
So the nutritional density ofthese foods is not only going to
support your health goals but,again, is going to contribute to
feelings of satiety anddiscourage overeating.

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A lot of times you are stilleating because your brain is
signaling that we haven't gottenenough nutrients.
We need more food.
So with your processed foodsthat are typically not as
nutrient dense, you're going tofind that your brain is not
going to trigger in and saythat's enough, we are good.
Now this isn't going todirectly relate to oats Lots of

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the whole foods that we talkabout here.
They'll also have healthy fats.
So here we're talking more likenuts, seeds, avocados, things
like that, but these alsocontain healthy fats.
So here we're talking more likenuts, seeds, avocados, things
like that.
But these also contain healthyfats that delay stomach emptying
Again, help you feel satisfiedlonger after meals.
One other bonus we've talkedabout with a lot of these is
that these particular fats aretypically crucial in the

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absorption of other nutrients.
Quickest example that we canrun down on that would be why
we've talked about not reallychoosing nonfat dairy.
Most of the good things thatcome with dairy well, namely the
calcium, is it's only going tobe absorbed in the presence of
fat.
If you don't have these healthyfats, you also don't have what

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you need in order to absorb andmake those nutrients bio
available.
So, anyway, we also like thehealthy fats that come with
whole foods.
Good for nutrient absorption,good for making us full Again.
Both of those components circleback to preventing us from
overeating.
Whole foods also have decentprotein content.

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A lot of them do anyway, eventhese oats, believe it or not.
About five grams per serving.
Definitely not going to make aprotein supplement off that, but
if you have a bowl oatmeal,like I do, and you have to throw
some berries, some nuts or someGreek yogurt or some peanut
butter in there, by the timeit's all done there's actually a
significant load of whole foodprotein in a meal like that.

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And again, protein content isalso going to help keep you
satisfied, keep you full, keepyou satiated for longer.
Protein-rich foods do increaseyour feeling of fullness and
reduction of appetite, so weoften stress protein and whole

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foods here.
Not a coincidence that all thisstuff is popping up yet again.
Another mechanism where I thinkwhole foods are going to help
you feel full and satisfiedlonger than their processed
alternatives is actually gettingdown to the volume and water
content.
So whole foods like fruits,vegetables those are going to

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add volume to meals withoutsignificantly increasing the
calories thanks to their highwater content.
Not even a ton of nutritionalvalue in this particular one,
but this really hammers some ofthe water content.
Lettuce Not a lot ofnutritional value in this
particular one, but this reallyhammers some of the water
content.
Lettuce Not a lot of caloriesin lettuce, not even a lot of
nutritional value, but you willnotice that if you chew up a

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bowl of lettuce you're just notreally going to be that hungry
after, and I've never seensomebody overeat on lettuce or
greens, things like that.
Obviously, the fiber and thewater content have a lot to do
with why these things are sofilling and even if you start
your meal with, say, a salad,you're going to notice that

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you're going to eat a lot lessin that meal than if you had
started the meal with, you know,say, some bread, which,
although it's customary in arestaurant, you know, start with
your greens first, you'llnotice you just eat less.
One other pro tip on bread, justin case.
This one's actually a littlecounterintuitive.
But you actually want to dip itin the butter or the olive oil.

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I think most people know thisnow, but again we're getting
back to slowing the release ofthe blood sugar.
Your calories are going to beincreased by dipping it into the
fat, but it's going to go downa lot better, so those extra
calories are worth it.
If you're at a restaurant wherethey start you off with bread,
hit the butter or hit the oliveoil and balsamic.

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Whatever it is where you're at,it's going to be a better move
to actually dip that into alittle bit of fat.
While we're on the topic ofcarbs bread, when you're
sticking to your whole foodoptions, you're mostly going to
be dealing with complex carbs.
Unlike the refined carbs,complex carbs are going to take

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longer to break down.
So, again, another theme that Ithink is emerging in the actual
mechanisms that are decreasingappetite is obviously blood
sugar.
When you create spikes in yourblood sugar, that's also going
to create a trough later.
That's when you're going to gettired and hungry and unless you
are frankly not human, you willsuccumb in that moment.

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You're not you when you'rehungry.
Good Snickers ad also justalmost objectively true.
So last point we'll touch on isthat, obviously, whole foods are
minimally processed.
They, of course, then retainthe fiber, the nutrients, their
natural structure that makes allthese nutrients bioavailable.

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This is going to give you allof the health benefits that are
promised from all of thoselovely nutrients, but also
increasing your satiety.
So, yeah, this one is like youknow.
I guess we can call it 50-50.
50% true, 50% bullshit.

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The bullshit part is obviouslythe drink.
This drink for two months, lose40 pounds.
Don't even attempt that.
Um, that's, that's really dumb.
Uh, a way better plan wouldjust be to commit to eating
mostly, uh, minimally processedfoods for the next two months.
Um, we're.

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We're not going to go viralwith this, because you're
definitely not going to lose 40pounds doing that, but you'll
probably improve your measurablebiomarkers across multiple
domains.
Great chance you will be leaner, great chance you will be
stronger, all that stuff.
But yeah, I would not co-signthat massive weight loss.

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Admittedly, this one's alreadykind of become a joke in my
house.
I've been making oats,steel-cut oats, every day, minus
my paleo phase, for over 20years, and so, yeah, my wife
actually dipped into mysteel-cut oats the other day and
told me she was going to havesome oat zempik.
So anyway, we're making jokesabout it.

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There's absolutely nothingwrong with eating oats.
Since I'm doing rankings today,five stars highly recommend.
But also five stars highlyrecommend all the other whole
foods.
Oats are great.
So are other ones, you know.
Just wrap up on Oat Zempic theOat Zempic fat loss drink looks

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stupid, overpromising.
Well, actually looks like these.
I was curious, at least, aboutthe flavors.
It could be decent, I don'tknow.
It might be worth a shot, butjust don't do it for a 40-pound
and two-month weight loss thing.
Massive over-promise there.
But the true part whole foodsare going to reduce your hunger,

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are going to increase yoursatiety, are going to make you
healthier in general.
Then don't often talk aboutthis.
It's also going to give youpowers to levitate and
extrasensory perception.
So all of those are true.
I'll leave it up to you guys tosuss out where I was joking
there.

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So, anyway, oat zempic, skipout on that.
You can, however, keep focusingon adding lots of whole foods
to your diet.
That's something that I wouldco-sign and support you in.
So anyway, next one.
Admittedly, I probably want totalk about this one more than
you want to hear it, but here wego training popular again.

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So first, I guess, quickdefinition time.
What the hell is hybridtraining?
I can't just drop that, likeeverybody knows what we're
talking about.
Hybrid training, in short, isjust any training style that is
using more than one modality totrain or focusing on more than
one one attribute of physicalfitness.

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So the articles popping now areabout the rise of hybrid
training.
I kind of want to point outthat there's actually just like
the tagline in the show.
There's nothing new, and thisconcept of hybrid training
probably demonstrates thatalmost more than anything else

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we've talked about.
This is probably the oldestform of training in existence,
no exaggeration.
So if we go back to the ancientworld, it's pretty obvious that
this is going to be most of thecombat and military training.
They weren't working.

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One modality you wouldobviously be working for
endurance, strength, speed,strength, endurance, a number of
different skills, and toactually be a good soldier you
can't push too far in any onedirection.
To be honest, if you're tallerthan average, wider than average

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, any outlier things in thefield of combat make you an easy
target.
So, in general, where I think alot of this really comes from
actually is military and martialarts training and unlike modern
sports out in the field, if youwill, you're not really going

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to see specialist outlierssucceed in that kind of
environment.
Their specialist thingsactually might become
maladaptive in that context.
Maladaptive in that context.
But anyway, jumping forward, Ithink too that the circus
performers and the strongmen ofthe 19th and 20th centuries,
those were usually combiningweightlifting with acrobatics,

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maybe gymnastics, typicallystriving for either remarkable
feats of strength, body mastery,flexibility, things like that.
But to achieve any of that kindof circus act performance level
, I obviously took the trainingof multiple modalities.
I think the most common form isobviously going to be triathlon

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, which emerged in the late 20thcentury, around the 1970s, by
the way, I'm just having fun.
Saying it that way now ages meup too, but you know, sorry if
late 20th century makes it soundlike ancient history, but that
that's where it's headed.
So anyway, triathlons poppedroughly in the 1970s.

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I got a little bit ofexperience with that, um.
And then crossfit, also late20th century um, combining
weightlifting, calisthenics,plyo, gymnastics, other
disciplines, um, you know,obviously cross top level
crossfitters wouldn't be able tocompete in powerlifting events

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or in running events, um, theirtheir times and numbers would be
unimpressive versus thespecialist, but they actually
have a very impressiveall-around fitness level.
That, I think, is one of thebest examples of modern hybrid
training.

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But even say mixed martial arts,which I think is also really
available today.
Modern mixed martial artsitself is a hybrid training
style.
Obviously, martial artists usedto specialize in one discipline
.
Mma, mixed martial arts has nowemerged as its own discipline
and style.
The boxing gym I go to it's notuncommon to see guys that are

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training for MMA fights come inand then again, similar to the
CrossFitters, you're not goingto watch an MMA guy step into a
boxing ring and impress you in aboxing gym, then leave the

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boxing gym, go out to the streetand then you guys fight there
without the context of boxingand the rules and the ring and
all of that.
My money would actually be onthe MMA fighter stomping the
boxer all over the sidewalk.
So, anyway there.
Oh, last one, we'll get intodivisions here in a second.
I'll save that for becauseobviously the generalists and
specialists have really strongopinions about each other and,

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yeah, we'll get into that injust a second.

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One other permutation that I forpeople to adopt hybrid training
.
I haven't done one, but this issomething I've actually found
interesting.
Yeah, I've always beeninterested in triathlons, these
ideas of trying to find thefittest all-around person.
I have done triathlons.

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My personal opinion on that isthey're great, they're fun, but
they don't really test strengthor combat in any way.
So I whatever this is probablyjust me thinking of my own stuff
I did pretty well in thetriathlon that I did.
I top 10 out of the field, butadmittedly I'm cocky and I think

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highly of myself.
So part of me thought that hadwe had a fight at the finish
line, that I would havedestroyed the other top 10
competitors and it wouldn't evenhave been close, and so they
beat me.
But I definitely didn't feellike I was inferior to the
people who ran a little fasterthan I did.
I felt that they should be alittle bit faster.
If they wanted to get away fromsomebody like me, that might be

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their only chance.
Anyway, all that to say, I amreally really open to the idea
of creating new events that testmultiple modalities and we kind
of see who's got it.
I don't think we have a perfecttest to say who is the fittest,
but between the obstacle races,crossfit, mma, triathlon, any

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one of those to me is a greatway to kind of go about at least
attempting.
You know, or at least havingsome shot of saying you are that
guy.
If you don't have a mixedmodality ability, it's actually
going to be pretty easy to getyou out of the context that

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you're good and, quite frankly,humble you.
I've seen that happen way moretimes than I can even count.
But take great athlete out oftheir world, put them in a new
world and, you know, watch themgo from world class to sucking
um that quickly.
But um all I'd say.
So why?
Why is it popular again,obviously, we've had a few

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different training styles, butthey, they ebb and flow in their
popularity and I don't.
Well, I think it's fair to saythat you know, particularly like
the obstacle races and CrossFitwere definitely more popular a
few years back.
I think that they've definitelymaintained some of the market,
but obviously people have kindof migrated away as it isn't the
newer shiny thing.

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The latest resurgence that I amactually seeing, at least
online, with uh.
Hybrid training is typicallylike bodybuilders, people like
that that are bringing backrunning that have stopped
running for quite some time.
Um, okay, so why is it popularagain?
First guess it never goesanywhere.
It's it's always here in thethe background.

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If you will, I was actuallylistening to a finance podcast
about fashion, where I'mdefinitely out of my wheelhouse,
but to me, hybrid training isalmost like the style they call
Ivy, which I guess is thatpreppy, buttoned up look.
It never really goes out.
It definitely comes back in attimes and all the major brands
start pushing out that same look, but it never actually goes

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anywhere.
Even when it's not quoteunquote in.
Hybrid training is a bit likethat.
It kind of can't really goanywhere.
Another explanation I see, atleast with the cohort I'm seeing
push it is that I myself havefallen into a camp or a group
that I now like to call team nosweat, and that is when you

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maintain a physique with youknow, let's say, sub 10% body
fat.
You look pretty lean, youdefinitely look like somebody
that works out, but you'vealmost completely stopped doing
any athletic things.
You lift and you eat well, atleast within the confines of

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supporting the physique thatyou're going for and you do
almost no conditioning at all.
When you first discover this,it can kind of feel like a cheat
code, because you look the partof fitness and everybody thinks
you're fit.
But what at least pushes me outof this mode is that you'll

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you'll go to like a pickup gameand then not actually play as
well as you think you could inyour head, or you'll.
You'll go actually happen thesame thing with basketball, but
you have this memory of beingable to play at a certain level
and then a buddy calls you up togo run one game and you're dead
by the second half.
So every time I have falleninto the trap of doing team, no

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sweat, just maintaining myphysique, not doing any
conditioning, whenever I circleback to my athletic goals or get
back out into the field, so tospeak, that's where the gaps in
that training style happen, andI almost always well, best case
scenario bruised ego.
Worst case the gaps that you'veallowed to form in your

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conditioning, actually, that youget hurt.
Recently, one of my pushes andmaybe this is another driver out
there in the market andrecently one of my pushes and
maybe this is another driver outthere in the market.
Reading Peter Attia's Outlivekind of reminded me of things
that I already knew about thevalue of Zone 2 work and VO2 Max
work.
I was well, I am a parent, butI was starting to say things

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like I'm tired in the afternoon,and so I actually started to
realize that, oh, you'veactually stopped doing cardio
and your mitochondria aregetting inefficient and stuff
like that.
So maybe it isn't a birthrightthat you're getting tired in the
afternoon.
Now.
Maybe that is actuallyreflective of the choices that I
started to make.
Don't think I was alone inreading that book, so I do think
that that's maybe a driver,just as somebody who's worked

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all different programs.
Another thing that I think isjust that this is something
people like about hybridtraining in general is often
it's just more fun and mentallystimulating than doing the same
workout, even a very welldesigned one, over and over
again.
Since we're talking aboutoatmeal, to me, doing a really

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well-designed strength programover and over again, admittedly
can be a bit like eating plainoatmeal day after day.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It is good for you and ittotally works and it totally
sucks after a couple of weeksand most people will totally
burn out.
So one of the things that I seeor at least why I think real

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people are interested in hybridtraining is that it really can
kind of act as a safeguardagainst burnout, both mentally
and physically, not overusingjoints, et cetera.
Some of the lack of motivationthat can happen when you are
doing a repetitive workout canreally be mitigated by just
having or integrating differentforms, modalities or working at

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different attributes, which iswhat hybrid training whatever
you want to call it is reallyall about.
You're always going to have newchallenges, new things to learn.
It's typically going to be alittle bit more mentally
stimulating and rewarding.
Your programs are just going tofeel a little bit fresher,
because you are going to get tosee new things popping up with a

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little bit more regularity.
I don't want to make you gocrazy with that, though, because
we still got to focus on one ortwo things.
Let's not try doing too much,but I got notes on you guys for
that in just a second, but yeah,so what I do see from some is
this idea that, oh, is this justa new fad?

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So I'm going to be quick to sayno, that this has been around
longer than just abouteverything else.
So hybrid training isabsolutely not a fad, and the
people that are even talkingabout it and you know, some of
these folks are now almost beingviewed by the fitness spaces if
they are pioneering a new spaceor something like that.

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Absolutely not.
There is no fitness revolutiongoing on forever.
People have been doing this, buteven if you look at the most
popular sports in a way likefootball, football, players
basically have to do some formof concurrent training weight

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room sessions, on-field drills.
You need muscle to hit hard,but you also need endurance.
To break off a long play, youneed to be able to recover
quickly, and so almost everysport, in a sense, is going to
require some hybrid training.
To get there Football,basketball, boxing you all need

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a mix of strength and endurance,other traits as well agility,
coordination.
You're not going to get there,or at least to any decent level
of performance, by purespecialization, to any decent
level of performance by purespecialization.
Which now brings me, though,because there really are two
major camps discussing hybridtraining and again we kind of

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got the specialists and thegeneralists Like almost
everything.
We're probably going to splitthe difference between the two
camps if we are committed togetting to the truth.
That being said, if the shortversion of all this is that it
kind of depends on what you wantand only you can answer that,

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but anyway, let's actually atleast assess their arguments.
We'll see what's right, what'swrong and hopefully come up with
something a little better thanwhat the people on the extreme
say.
But first, our specialists.
I think they rightly criticizethe fact that if you train a
multiple disciplinesconcurrently, you're not going

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to make as much progress in anyone domain than if you focused
on that exclusively.
That is true, that is a validcritique.
So if you decide, like I, wantto work on my endurance and get
stronger, you're not going toget as strong as if you had just
focused on strength alone.

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That's a fair critique.
But we'll just get to the pointthat not many people are only
seeking strength.
Those are typically the powerlifters and the people that are
already doing that.
But no, I don't want tobacktrack on something that I
wind up saying all the time.
But the specialists to merightly point out that if you
shoot at two birds you'reprobably going to miss.

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If you shoot at one, youdrastically increase your
chances.
That, to me, is probably themost valid critique of hybrid
training is don't get yourselfsplit off in too many directions
.
But now that's kind of it forthe terrible parts on the
specializing.
Now that's kind of it for thecharitable parts of the
specializing.
I think the generalists rightlypoint out that there is very

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little relevance to whatspecialized elite athletes do
and what real people do.
The demands on their lives arenot the same.
And whenever you chase onedomain, no matter what it is, it
is going to come at a cost ofother things.
Matter what it is, it is goingto come at a cost of other
things.
So just in my own trainingcareer, when I pursue, you know,

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say, muscle mass, I've had thishappen many times in the past.
But it is going to come with adecrease in my performance, in
endurance, in sport or even justout on the trail.
Also, if you get really deepinto, you know, adding muscle,
I'm not going to have time todevelop any of my athletic

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skills or even maintain them.
So if you wanted to catch agame of one on one.
You should probably ask meafter eight weeks of hypertrophy
training, because I will haveno jump shot.
You can't really be good atsports if you're not practicing
them.
So every time I push hard intothe muscle gain, my sports

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skills tend to drop.
Similarly, you can sometimesdiscover that you've either
developed redundant orcounterproductive muscle mass.
So same thing when I step intothe boxing gym after a lot of
weightlifting.
It's not like I come in thereand suddenly I'm wowing people
with my power.

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Actually, the truth is you lookslow.
You don't move fluidly orquickly.
Nobody is scared when you stepinto the ring If you are looking
like a weightlifter.
To be honest, most people inthat context kind of see you as
an easy mark In the gym.
We call it bro science.
I don't know what we call thisin a boxing gym, but one of the

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little tells, at least forboxers.
If you will, I'll give you guysa tip.
But anytime you see a guy withbig biceps you don't want to
grapple necessarily with someonelike that, but you do want to
strike with them.
The bicep articulates the wristto the shoulder and so big
biceps equal slow punches you donot have to worry about

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somebody with big biceps blowingyou away with speed.
You might be trying to think ofa counterexample right now,
like, oh wait, mike Tyson, hewas pretty big.
Yeah, I hear you, but there'sdudes at Planet Fitness with
bigger biceps than Mike Tyson.
Mike Tyson's not a bodybuilder.
He's in great shape and he'sgot some decent biceps, but that
is objectively not what I meanwhen I say big biceps.

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We're going to hit this a lotharder later.
But athletes don't look likebodybuilders and there's a
reason.
But anyway, I don't want to getsidetracked.
I do want to just weigh in onthis.
So, hybrid training I'm going tocome out and say it is not a
fad.
That being said, I don'tactually think it's right for

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everyone.
I want to try to give us asober and rational breakdown and
then, frankly, you'll decidefor yourself whether
specializing or doing a mixedmodality approach is right for
you.
So, again, hit it already.
But most sports are multipleaptitudes the military, tactical

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operations, stuff like that.
This is why I really don'tthink it's a fad.
This is going to be absolutelyrequired for a lot of people
with a lot of different goals.
Back to what I think is the mostvalid critique from our
specialists, though training formultiple aptitudes
simultaneously absolutely doesrequire more attention to

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program.
It is not as easy, it is not asintuitive, and if you are going
to commit to this path, you'reprobably going to want to be a
little more organized and alittle cleaner with your
planning and programming than ifyou were only working on one
domain.
It is simply a lot easier towork on one thing than to work

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on multiple things.
That should go without saying,but I'm saying it because that's
the most common error of myhybrid athletes is trying to do
too much, if you will.
But yeah, I do think that it'sfair to say that most everyday
people really don't want to be apowerlifter, a bodybuilder or a

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marathon runner.
Even people who decide to runmarathons often don't actually
care about winning.
They want to do it, and then,when they're done with the
marathon, they want to do otherthings.
The general public, in myexperience, is interested in
looking good, moving well,having fun and feeling good.

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Did I say that?
But yeah, to achieve that, alot of times you are going to
have to focus on more than onething.
I think for the vast majorityof people, hybrid training is
probably going to be a netpositive.
I'm thinking back to Outliveright now that most people are
not going to be assessing theeffectiveness of their entire

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fitness regimen on just theirdeadlift alone.
So it probably will bebeneficial to have some time for
most people to focus on someother things.
So here, admittedly, this couldbe a terrible source, but I
just went into some forums tojust find the comments and so

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yeah anyway, this one comes froma running forum, so somebody
who takes the running veryseriously said zero snark.
I just don't understand whatwould compel someone to want to
perform mediocre at two thingsrather than excel at one thing.
Is there some other benefit I'mmissing?
So again, here is a specialistwho is kind of speaking to what

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I think on some level.
Again, valid critique thatyou're splitting your efforts.
You're not going to get as good.
But I also kind of want topoint out I actually think this
is kind of a false distinction.
The truth is that for mostpeople, the reality isn't a
choice between excelling in onething and being mediocre at two.
Brutal but honest.

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The choice for most real peopleis the choice of being mediocre
at one thing or being slightlymore mediocre at two things.
I don't think that most peopleare sacrificing being an elite
athlete by choosing hybridtraining.
Parents typically are the onesthat don't like this the most

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when you're talking about theirchildren, but there are some
pretty obvious markers of eliteathleticism and if by 18,
nobody's come up and said thatyou look like you might be an
elite athlete, it ain't going tohappen.
So this forum I was on ismostly like older runners.
It's pretty fair to assess thatthere were no elite runners in
that forum at all.

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None of those times would beconsidered world-class.
So even Mine is actually zerosnark too.
But the guy who didn'tunderstand why is that?
Well, there's a lot of commoninjuries and things that people
that run come up with.
So if you're not world-class andyou're not actually winning the
Boston Marathon, what are youdoing?

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Not being mixed modalitybecause you're not actually a
competitor.
That's why you're an anonymousname on a message board, not a
name that I could read and study.
I'm not saying the guy who'swinning races is better.
I'm just saying be honest aboutwhere you're at.
If that's really your goalathletic performance and you

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want to win races, then yeah,you're going to make a lot of
sacrifices in life to try tobring that about.
The vast majority of people arenot in that boat.
This is not diminishinganything.
It's actually just settingpeople up to get better goals
and also getting the resultsthat they frankly want.

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Getting the results that theyfrankly want.
But again, I just want to talkon this idea of mediocre, or why
would you want to becomemediocre at two things.
The truth is that there's ahuge gap between where most real
people are at and where worldclass occurs.
And so, again, if you're notachieving world class, I don't
want to diminish that, but Ialso just want to inject like

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some sanity and rationality.
So you know, take like a 225pound bench press.
That is objectively a veryunimpressive lift.
I don't care how you feel aboutthat, listening in, whether
that sounds heavy or light.
In the realm of strength sports, that is very unimpressive 225.

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That being said, in the entireplanet right now, about 0.75% of
men worldwide can even bench225.
If you have attained thisobjectively unimpressive and, as
our commenter might say,mediocre lift, the truth is you

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are absolutely nowhere nearbeing world class is and let's
say that you're my age or you'reyounger, you're in your 20s and
you just hit 225, I couldpretty much bet right now you
are not going to win any medalsin a strength sport.

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You are nowhere near worldclass.
But that unimpressive lift justremind yourself over 99% of the
world can't do it.
So this is where I actually wantto give people a pass to be
mediocre, in a sense.
If you can bench 225, you'redoing a lot of things right.

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You're doing pretty damn goodand you're nowhere near
world-class and that's all okay.
One of the things that I atleast think about with hybrid
training is that if you can bedecent in multiple fitness
domains, you actually are elite.
There's multiple paths to beingelite.

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You can either be the best inone domain or you can be pretty
good to decent in multipledomains.
They both have their place.
But if you instead go afterthat being decent or good in
multiple domains, what you'regoing to find is you're actually
going to outperform mostspecialists in pretty much

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everything, except for the thingthey specialize in.
So if it's important to you tospecialize in one thing, do it,
but if it isn't, don't.
This really is a personalquestion.
I don't think that either camphas it right that generalizing
or specializing is better.
Objectively, I know where I siton this and where my goals are.

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But if I felt like it, I canmake an argument for what
anybody's doing.
But if I felt like it, I canmake an argument for what
anybody's doing.
That being said, I have mybiases.
I grew up in Montana andbiological fitness has kind of
beaten into me and I at leastthink about this one often when
you're hiking in the woods.
There's the old story aboutoutrunning, that you can't

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outrun a bear, and one of thethings we learned is, of course,
you don't need to outrun thebear, you just need to outrun
the person standing next to you.
So anyway, where I grew up,definitely generalists tend to
live a bit longer thanspecialists.
But yeah, if you're aspecialist and you get the right
event, you're good.

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But there's a lot of things outthere the chances that a
challenge in life if you're aspecialist, comes out of your
specialty really good.
Outside of your sport, you'reprobably going to find that
there are a lot of gaps fromspecializing.
So anyway, I don't want to takeaside that hybrid training is
better than specialized trainingor vice versa.

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I do think that this issomething that you got to kind
of honestly answer amongstyourself first, but admittedly I
do like hybrid training and youknow what we'll quote was
Emerson or Thoreau.
I mix them up sometimes, butsimplify, simplify.
The most valid critique again ofhybrid training is, quite

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simply, people trying to do toomuch.
There is a bodybuildingequivalent for my specialists
out there, but that's like whena guy tries to bring up every
single muscle group at the sametime.
You're going to have to makesome choices, pick some things,
and this is where I just want toremind everybody that decision

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in Latin literally means to cutoff.
So when you decide, when youchoose to do something, what you
are doing is cutting off theother things.
Just keep that in mind Everydecision.
I'm American I don't know whereeverybody listening in, but here
in America we like to thinkabout the positive aspect of our
freedom all the time.
We don't like to think aboutnegative stuff ever.

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And so, um, with our choices,just remember that actually,
every choice there, there's agiant negative that comes with
every single choice, and thatmeans all the other things that
you are not doing.
Um, you know, I I have a series, uh, of behaviors, whether it
be morning workouts or thingsthat, once I have made that

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choice, it also dictates a wholebunch of other things that I am
not doing.
There's a negative component toyour freedom as well, and yeah,
anytime we decide, you'recutting things off.
And then also, I want to own upfront that we are with hybrid
training in general.
We're being complex individualshere.
We're holding two contradictoryideas in our head

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simultaneously by even trying toimprove multiple aptitudes at
once.
So the thing I want to cautionand push against is don't go out
on your little workoutShangri-La quest trying to find
the perfect program.
You know, the one that you canget bigger, faster, stronger,

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leaner, run longer.
Um, that program doesn't exist.
Uh, but if you're interested, Icould give you years of my own
workout logs trying to find that.
But no, it actually doesn'texist.
You are still, even though weare committing to a hybrid form

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of training, you're still goingto be choosing one attribute to
improve at a time, but we're notgoing to break the rule about
trying to shoot at two birds atonce.
You simply choose one thingthat you want to improve and now
that takes priority.
That's the one that we willwork to a level that we can

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progress.
All the other modalities thatare important to you are going
to scale down to a maintenancelevel.
You will do the minimum tomaintain where you are at while
you are focusing on bringing upyour other attribute.
You will only use establishedprinciples from each domain.
We're not going to go invent awhole bunch of new stuff.

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No Piggyback on all the peoplethat came before you and just go
into.
If you're working on strength,use legitimate strength programs
.
If you're working on endurance,use legitimate endurance
programs.
Don't start merging and tryingto throw all this shit together.
Pick one attribute, work onthat.
You're going to tailor theprogram to whatever your current

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goals are.
So, again, you need to do thiswork yourself.
I can tell you the process.
I can't tell you exactly whatit looks like.
One example let's say thatyou're strong with your
endurance right now.
You train it regularly and youwant to develop some strength.
So you would actually do thebare minimum to maintain your

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endurance and then you wouldtake that time you freed up to
throw that into your strengthprogram, or vice versa.
Yeah, and actually there arebenefits that are going to come
from this, even if you're abodybuilder back to a
theoretical specialist.
But a bodybuilder whoincorporated a little bit of
cardiovascular elements would beable to potentially unlock some

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advantages of like getting somefast twitch muscle fiber
activation.
If you were adding in somesprints the hormonal response,
the calorie burning, could behelpful for a bodybuilder.
On the other end of thespectrum my runners never want
to touch weights they couldactually gain, believe it or not
, from some bodybuilding byreducing their injury risk,

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getting some hypertrophy,getting some stronger bone
density.
All that pounding away on thepavement isn't really helping
them stay out of PT.
Quite frankly, Some quads mighthelp.
There really can be benefitsfrom the hybrid training style.

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Yes, you're not going to be thestrongest or the fastest that
you could be, but there's astrong argument that you're
bringing together a better totalpackage.
Back to sort of organizing yourtraining, though the balance is
always going to shift.
So from time to time youreassess, you refocus, you

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circle back.
But again, we're going to focuson attributes in training,
improve the attribute and thenuse whatever tool is appropriate
to improve that attribute.
So if we're talking strength,it's probably going to be
barbells, kettlebells, stufflike that.

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If we're talking endurance, itmight look like hills, sand, I
don't know.
But pick the right tool for theattribute and again, pick to
improve one attribute at a time.
Scale everything else down tomaintenance level.
While you're working on it.
Recommended this nutrition a lot, but you guys know I'm a big

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fan of logs.
I would say, with hybridtraining, definitely keep logs.
This is just a relativelyunestablished field that there's
going to be so many variablesgoing in your program that
you're not going to be able togo and piggyback off of other
people's work as much as if youwere powerlifting or if you were
doing something.
That's a little moreestablished.

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So I just want to remind youthat your own records are going
to be the best information thatyou can get.
Nutrition I'm not going to divedeep on other than the whole
foods we already talked about.
But eat to fuel yourperformance, train to improve
your performance, do yourstrength and your conditioning
as your performance improves.
Everything else is going tofall into place.

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The health aesthetics this iskind of what I like is that I
don't think that they're Well.
I spent a lot of time andenergy trying to figure out an
intuitive program that I couldjust plug and play, and I still
haven't found it.
But it winds up looking likethis, if you will.
Again, this is a prettyunestablished field, but people

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have been working on this for along time, so I just want to
give you guys a few books if youwant more reading on the topic.
The Hybrid Athlete Alex Vita,that's a good one.
Power Speed Endurance aSkill-Based Approach to
Endurance Brian McKenzie that'salso a good book.
Tactical Barbell by Kay Blackthat's a pen name.

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There's some good stuff inthere and if you're in the
tactical world, that language isprobably going to speak to you
a little better.
And then I already mentioned it, but I actually think that it's
not a hybrid training book.
But if you read Outlive, drPeter Attia, the kind of workout
he describes really is a hybridtraining.
He doesn't call it that in thebook, but he's going to try to

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convince you to do some strengthtraining, some zone two work
and adopt a mixed modality styleof training.
So anyway, four books therethat I think are good, that if
you want further reading, andalso each one of those appeals
to a really different demo.
So, depending on who you are,one of those will speak the
language that you like.
Last one for the day I actuallysaw that Travis Kelsey was

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getting dragged on the internetfor not looking like a fitness
influencer, but I want to justscream back at the internet that
that shouldn't be surprising.
Many athletes don't look likeinfluencers and flip it around,
most influencers aren't actuallyathletic.

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They probably tried out forsports at some point, got cut,
didn't make it, and then theypushed in this direction, if you
will.
I know there's some influencerswho had their little day in
sports.
But I am here in Hollywood, mywife is in casting.
We've done a lot of these overthe years and in general those

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are different bins.
When we're doing Beachbody,that's when we go get actors and
we go get influencers.
When we're doing athletic spots, that's when you actually go
get real athletes.
Actually funny story from thecasting studio.
So there's actually one timewhere our client wanted elite

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runners and admittedly I don't.
If real america knows howentertainment products are
actually built, because I hear alot of narratives about well,
basically they like or don'tlike shows, or they like this
celebrity who don't like it, andthey don't get how it's made.
It really is a sausage factory.
But broadly, I don't thinkpeople realize how so much of
what happens on television isdownstream from the things that

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you guys are clicking on andtalking about.
So pro tip if you don't likesomething, don't, tweet about it
, don't watch it.
Nobody cares whether you'rehappy or mad when you're
watching.
These are vehicles to place ads, understand?
So even if you're angry andtweeting about it, you're
actually telling them make moreof this, not don't.
When you don't like something,don't talk about it.

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And then also, people alwaysthink like we have an agenda or
that we're doing something.
I don't get to pick anythingwhen I'm running a casting.
Yeah, the agenda is downstreamfrom the people advertising.
So yeah, nobody really gets topick anything.
Guys, it's about target, demoand market and stuff like that.
But anyway, funny spot, becauseour client wanted elite athletes

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.
There's a few acting serviceswhere people can either submit
through their agent or throughself-submission.
Obviously, from our standpoint,we just want good talent.
We'll take agent submissions,we'll take actor submissions.
In general, agent submissionstend to be a little bit higher
quality but every now and againa diamond in the rough.
For this particular job weactually did accept some actor

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submissions and, not kidding, Iliterally had this one guy in
and stock question that theclient had me asking was tell me
a little about your athleticexperience.
And first, dude, I have in talksabout running in the London
Olympic Games, national champion, all that stuff Literal.

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Next guy in my room ask thesame question Tell me about your
running experience.
And he tells me about beingfrom Minnesota and how in the
winter time it's really cold butthat doesn't stop him.
He puts on his gloves, his hatand then he heads out for a run
and then he's actually likemiming running but not moving.
He's, he's just literallystanding in place mim a run and
then he's actually like mimingrunning but not moving.
He's just literally standing inplace, miming running.

(59:37):
And yeah, all that just to.
Athletes and actors are adifferent breed.
So I know that the internet wassurprised that Travis Kelsey is
running around with not a sixpack.
That's not actually thatsurprising for a tight end,

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particularly if you're going togo over the middle, catch a pass
and get tackled, really isn'timportant if you have abs under
the shoulder pads and actuallythe weight, the cushion there,
there's a lot of reasons why.
Actually a little bit of extraweight you know, even God forbid

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some extra adipose tissue couldactually be beneficial for
Travis Kelsey.
But no, I guess this one justslightly relates to the larger
topic we're having today of, youknow, generalizing versus
specializing.
You know, obviously yourinfluencer in general is going
to be a specialist.
This is somebody who hasspecialized on their physique

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and, in a way, sports andinfluencing.
Neither one of them is abouthealth.
They're about the task at hand,but influencing is about the
look and the look of six packabs, even though, if that's a
goal of yours, I want to behonest as well and I fit this
bill.
So maybe I'm talking bad aboutmyself, but that has nothing to

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do with fitness.
It has nothing to do withhealth.
It has everything to do with anaesthetic, that's it.
Everything to do with anaesthetic, that's it.
But I'm going to confess this,and anyone who's ever done it is
also going to know that ifyou've ever been really, really
lean, it really really sucks.

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You're going to be tired allthe time.
Your lifts are not going to beas good.
Yeah, it just isn't super fun.
You're optimizing for a picturetypically, but it does come with
compromises to performance andhealth.
It's a personal decisionwhether you decide to go all in
on performance or all in onaesthetics or neither, but I do

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think that we should be reallyhonest about either.
End Visible labs just meanworks out and lives in a caloric
deficit is probably hungryright now.
On the other end, good atsports just means good at sports
.
Neither one of these things hasto do with health.
In pursuing either one of thosepure performance, pure

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aesthetics, you will actuallycompromise your health at many,
many junctures.
There's going to be manychoices where you can either
choose health or aesthetics,health or performance, and if
you're an influencer or anathlete, you make that choice
accordingly.
But again, I don't think thatthe majority of my audience is

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influencers or professionalathletes, and I don't think that
the majority of my audience isinfluencers or professional
athletes, and I don't thinkthere's anything wrong with that
.
What I don't want is myaudience or people that I
believe in would be a part of myaudience believing that the
influencers or the athletes havethe programs or ideas that they
should be gravitating to.

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Um, and my work as a trainer.
Admittedly, it isn't my job todecide for people what goals to
chase.
Um, whatever their goal is, I'mgoing to organize a plan that
most efficiently achieves thatthere's.
I'm not telling them that theiraesthetics need improvement or
their performance needsimprovement.
What I program is downstreamfrom what they tell me their

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goals are.
I honestly don't think thereare right or wrong answers.
I just want to help people see,through these varying claims
for their attention, their moneyand their time, that some
things might not be consistentwith your goals, and again, I

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think this is going to kind ofwrap up my thoughts on hybrid
training.
Dad bod, all of that, yourfitness journey is your own.
Make sure you are making thechoices that are consistent with
your values, and then someonelike me can help you find the
programs that will mostefficiently get you there.
It doesn't actually matter tome what your goals are.

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Whatever they are.
There's going to be a betterway to go about doing it, and
that is essentially what we'realways trying to communicate
here.
But anyway, guys, last one, I'llbe quick.
You've been with me for almostan hour, but I've been watching
this show on Netflix, physical100, actually, I just got
through the second season and Ijust want to actually comment.

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I like the show.
I'm not going to spoil it foryou guys.
Go out and watch it.
There's a couple of things thatI want you to pay close
attention to, though.
One thing I like 100contestants.
You're going to see a lot ofdifferent body types.
What I think is cool about thatis, a lot of people have one
idea in their head that this iswhat a fit body looks like, or
this, that or the other.
Cool thing about the show isyou're going to see a lot of

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really fit, really athleticpeople with a lot of really
different body types.
It's even then just interestingto get to see hey, what happens
when an Olympic wrestler goesup against a rugby player.
I don't know, but you get abunch of fun matchups like that.
So at least in one sense you doget to see a lot of what we

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talked about today.
But specialists versusgeneralists.
You're going to find Olympicathletes in one domain who get
thrown into a challenge thatisn't their thing.
Not going to spoil the show,but one thing you'll notice is
that generalists in general dobetter in a format like that.
Last thing I want to mentionabout the show the show is from

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Korea, so I actually justnoticed some big cultural
differences between the Americanreality show and the Korean
reality show, and I'm all in onthe Korean style guys.
I'm done with Americancompetition reality shows, and
mainly because to me, americancompetition reality shows are
almost like an inversion ofDarwinian evolution.

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It isn't the strongest surviveon most shows.
The only exception I wouldthink would be like those ones
where they go out and survive,where you can't really carry
baggage around.
But any show that has anypolitical component.
What you'll notice is thatpeople who don't think that they
have strong packages orattributes tend to ally together
and vote out the people who arestrong show it basically

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presumes, and the intuition is,that you should get rid of
strong competitors because Idon't want to run against that
person in the final and that'sgotten to the point where we
consider that to be the rightand good choice.
What I found really interestingwatching now two seasons of
Physical 100.
So I don't know if this is theproducers pushing them to this
or if this is just how thecontestants really view it On
that show.
People don't go that way.
I've literally seen it's likethey're more Greek in the

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classic sense, in like theAchilles sense, in that nobody
wants an easy victory, peoplewant the grand victory.
So often somebody could selectlike, let's say it was a
challenge where there was somegrappling involved.
Then you would expect all thepeople from combat sports to
pick the people who were not incombat sports and just take an

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easy win.
But what you notice is none ofthese Korean competitors will
ever take that easy way out.
They'll almost always go up thechain.
If it's a, you know, they mightgo pick on the guy who won the
gold medal, because, boy, if Iwin this, this would be just a
grand victory.
So, anyway, fun show to watch,check it out.

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You're going to see differentbody types going at it, you're
going to see specialists versusgeneralists and you're going to
see a competitive spirit that Idon't think you get on a lot of
American shows.
And it ain't written in stonethat we have to be this way.
So I just want to hopefullypush that out there.
Let's be better, let's try alittle harder, let's get a

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little bit of that.
Yeah, anyway, I think theKorean shows are kind of kicking
our ass on that and we shouldtake a page out of that book at
least.
If we got any american realitytv show contestants in there.
Um, you know why are you guysso scared to compete?
You went on a competitionreality show, let's see some
competition, but anyway, um,that's it guys, that's all I got

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for you today.
Um, remember, mind and muscleare inseparably intertwined.
There are no gains withoutbrains.
Keep lifting and learning.
I'll do the same.