July 29, 2025 • 31 mins
Ever asked yourself, Is this all there is? You’re not alone—and you’re not stuck. In this powerful episode of Mind Your Midlife, I talk with bestselling author Joan Perry about how women over 50 can stop dragging their flower cart through life and finally start blooming.
Joan breaks down The Heroine’s Journey, her life-changing framework that helps midlife women move through disruption, reconnect with their self-worth, and build the mindset and stability they need to live with confidence, joy, and meaning.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU’LL DISCOVER:
✔ Why so many midlife women feel stuck or unfulfilled—and what to do about it
✔ The difference between the Hero’s journey and the Heroine’s journey
✔ The four “flower cart wheels” that keep your life stable and rolling forward
✔ How to stop asking, What’s wrong with me? and start asking, What’s next for me?
🎯 OMG Moment: Your fulfillment doesn’t come from avoiding fear—it comes from blooming into who you really are.
Take Action
Check your “flower cart.” Are your four wheels—self-worth, finances, energy, and relationships—on tight and steady? If not, that’s the first place to start. Stabilize first. Then step into your next chapter with clarity and confidence.
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Why This Episode Matters
Midlife isn’t a crisis—it’s your call to adventure. But you can’t take the journey if you’re stuck on the side of the road with your wheels falling off. This conversation will help you name where you are, rebuild your strength, and realize you’re not alone. We all have a heroine’s journey—and yours is just getting started.
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Cheryl Fischer (00:01):
is this all there is?
I wonder if you've foundyourself in a situation, or just
in a day, when some variationof that question was in your
head what the heck am I doinghere in my job, life,
relationship, health, whateverit is?
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I think we all hit this inmidlife in some way and of
course, it's different in theexact scenario how significant
the effect is on our lives, butwe hit it and so let's see if we
can make sense out of it.
Welcome to Mind your Midlife,your go-to resource for
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confidence and success.
One thought at a time, unlikemost advice out there, we
believe that simply telling youto believe in yourself or change
your habits isn't enough towake up excited about life or
feel truly confident in yourbody.
Each week, you'll gainactionable strategies and oh my
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goodness, powerful insights tostop feeling stuck and start
loving your midlife.
This is the Mind your Midlifepodcast.
It's really interesting to lookback on challenges in life and
see, maybe, how they made senseor I wouldn't wish challenges on
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anyone but maybe how we becamesomeone who could get through or
solve those challenges.
Look back, because I bet you canfind an example of you having
done that with somethingdifficult in your life, and the
reason I have such a heart forwomen in midlife is that I see
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shifts happening in so manyareas of our lives, and with
shifts come challenges.
Now, today's guest is going toreally enlighten us on this,
because she is the bestsellingauthor of the book the Heroine's
Journey, and if you've everheard the concept or the
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original book the Hero's Journey, this is a female perspective.
She's also the author of A GirlNeeds Cash, and so I want you
to meet today with me, joanPerry.
She is an advocate for womenbecoming the heroines of our own
lives, and we're going to talkabout what does that mean and
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how do we do that.
Let's go, let's start with this, because you're the author of
the book the Heroine's Journeyand I was taking a look at your
book, which is fantastic, and Ireally see this and the way it
kind of describes things thatmidlife women are going through
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on our journey.
So for somebody who doesn'tknow what you mean by the
heroine's journey, can you kindof describe that overall story?
Joan Perry (03:14):
Sure, I went to an Oprah event and Liz Gilbert, who
wrote Eat Pray Love, stood onOprah's stage and she made the
comment that she asked JosephCampbell, who, by the way, was
the father of the Hero's Journeydo women have a similar path to
maturity?
Very good question, because youknow, the path to maturity for
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a man means he grows up Right.
And Joseph Campbell said to LizGilbert, as she reported no,
they don't, they stay home andcry.
That just flipped me right offmy chair, bounced me down the
steps.
I felt like I was looking up atLiz Gilbert on the steps of the
stage and saying what?
Cheryl Fischer (03:57):
Yeah, that's my response.
What I can't believe somebodywould say that seriously.
Joan Perry (04:05):
Yes, and I just found that so appalling that it
compelled me to write theHeroine's Journey, because what
I discovered over 10 years ofwork is number one Joseph
Campbell was right we don't havea hero's journey, okay.
Number two he was wrong.
We have a heroine's journey,and there's a decided difference
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between the two of them, and Ithink that our society has sent
women down the path of thehero's journey.
All of a sudden, we get tomidlife, we're miserable, we
don't know why.
I like to say it's because Iclimbed to the top of the ladder
and the ladder was in the wrongbuilding, because I was on a
hero's journey and not aheroine's journey.
Cheryl Fischer (04:48):
So what I'm hearing when you say that is
along the lines of we putourselves maybe into a position
and go for things that are sortof masculine energy related,
that might not be the right fitfor us to be going for.
Is that sort of how you mightsay it?
Joan Perry (05:06):
Yes, I'd go a little further and to say that the
hero's journey is an externaljourney.
We know it.
Go out and fight the lions,tigers and bears and bring back
the bacon.
Okay, if you're graduating froma college, go out, climb the
corporate ladder, earn the moneyand bring some back to the
university.
Okay, yeah, I mean that is theexternal journey.
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When I graduated from businessschool, that was the journey I
thought that I needed to be on.
I looked around and I said whatis success for a man?
And the?
I mean what is success?
And I got back.
Well, it's obviously the path aman takes.
I never stopped to think thatmaybe that wasn't going to
fulfill me, make me happy.
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Let me enjoy the joy of my life.
Cheryl Fischer (05:55):
You know, I was going to say that.
It's very interesting to methat you say that, because I
think this hits on somethingthat we have nowhere near enough
time to talk about, and that is, as women, do we want to be
equal to a man in the corporateworld or whatever?
We're always fighting for that,or do we not care about that at
all and we want to go in atotally different direction, and
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maybe it's always an individualdecision, but what a whole
thing there is there to unpack.
Joan Perry (06:22):
Yeah, but I don't think it's an individual
decision.
I think we have a differentpath and that we've not
understood our path up untilthis point, because while a man
takes an external journey to hismaturity, we take an internal
journey to our maturity, and ourmaturity arises as we claim our
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self-worth and our voice.
Cheryl Fischer (06:46):
Yes.
Joan Perry (06:47):
And once I understood that and I started to
claim my self-worth, be happywith who I am, prosper in who I
am, and I couldn't have a voiceuntil I had self-worth.
So it's rebelling from thatwhole culture, culture about
you're too fat, you're notpretty enough, you're not smart
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enough, you're not, blah, blah,blah, blah.
Yes, you're all.
You're all of what you need tobe.
Claim your self-worth, and thatwill allow your voice to spring
forward.
Now, what's terribly interestingabout this first story I'm
telling is is that 10 minutesbefore I was finishing the book
and it was going to go off tothe publisher, someone who was
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working with me said Joan, Ihave a quote for you, and she
sent it over.
It was a quote from JosephCampbell, the author of the
Hero's Journey, that finallysaid I can't tell you what the
journey of a woman is.
I can't tell you if it's likethe hero's journey.
All I can tell you is that awoman is going to have to tell
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us about this.
And if the very last page of mybook it was so perfect because,
at least in my mind I foundfelt like he'd found a little
maturity.
Cheryl Fischer (08:04):
I agree, I was thinking okay, he got it
together.
Joan Perry (08:07):
And he wasn't requiring me to be him.
Cheryl Fischer (08:10):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (08:11):
Because I'm not Right.
I'm just not Right.
So that's the first story Iwould tell you.
The second one is that aprofound experience happened to
me, as profound as thatexperience.
I was with a group of women downin Mexico and we were sitting
around a fire and all of asudden, someone I had known, a
friend of mine, came and satdown next to me, and I didn't
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expect to see her there.
I didn't think she was comingto that event.
It was a women's retreat, youknow.
You pretty well knew who wouldbe there, and all of a sudden
she showed up.
She sat down next to me andwhen she sat down next to me I
could feel that there wassomething going on in her that
was dramatic.
So when we had a chance to talk, she told me this story.
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The story was that she and herhusband left Canada, where she
lives, flew down to Mexico,checked into a gorgeous resort,
you know, walked into their roomrose petals everywhere,
champagne, you know just I thinkit was their 24th or something
and you know just expecting tohave this unbelievably romantic
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weekend.
So they're going to go out todinner that night.
They walk down the hill, theyget in a rowboat and the rowboat
takes them around the cove andthey walk up a long set of
stairs to get to the top of thecliff.
Once we're there at the top ofthe cliff, they're standing in
front of this rail, magnificentblue sky above them and crashing
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rocks, with the sea justpounding on the rocks below them
.
So you can imagine the drama ofthis scene, right, she's, like
you know, kind of way out therein romance at this point.
You know, in this, you knowmagical setting and he turns to
her and says I want a divorce.
Cheryl Fischer (09:59):
Oh, my goodness.
Joan Perry (10:01):
Yes, and she?
This was a true story.
She was expecting to spend thenext 10 days there with him,
which she did, trying not to be,you know, dramatic or whatever.
Um, we all knew that he washaving an affair with another
woman.
She was the last to know.
But the why that hit me so hard,sitting in this magical setting
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in Mexico, was that I believethat every woman who hits
midlife hits something similar,and what I mean by that is that
and this is a basis of theheroine's journey whether it's
financial or relationship, orhealth or self-worth, and
whether it's a big blow or asmaller one.
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Now, I was such a hard nut tocrack that in my life it was a
huge blow.
I mean, it just rocked my world, sent me flying.
It was a yard sale that coveredthe planet, you know.
But myth life does, and theheroine's journey it's a step on
the heroine's journey doesoften come with something that
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majorly upsets your life,shatters your vision of what you
think life is going forward,and then calls you to reinvent
yourself, and it's very easy atthat moment to go oh my gosh.
This is the most horrible thingthat ever happened to me and I
can tell you.
It took me years, but Idetermined that it was the best
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gift that could have ever beendelivered to me.
Cheryl Fischer (11:34):
We so often see that in hindsight, don't we?
Joan Perry (11:36):
Yeah, but between those two stories, I realized
that women have a journey andthat it's a major upset which is
the start of the journey.
Cheryl Fischer (11:48):
I agree with you about midlife and I agree with
you that these things can be bigor small for sure, and maybe
big or small is not even theright pair of words to use,
because something that mightfeel small for me might feel
really big for someone else.
So it's probably not fair tosay it quite that way, but I've
definitely hit on a couple ofthings over the past few years
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that I didn't see coming, andit's not going to be the same
things that happened to you andnot the same things that
happened to the person who'slistening right now, but there's
a shift of some sort, or maybemany shifts.
I struggled a lot with kind ofplaying small and learning how
not to play small, and your termself-worth is exactly what
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maybe I was trying to say isthat I needed to grow my or
recognize that, yeah, yeah.
Joan Perry (12:44):
Because here's the truth, and this is what I
discovered In a similar fashion.
The plot line of a woman's lifemy life, your life, any number
of other women we can mentionthe plot line's the same.
What's different are ourstories, Ooh, how we experience
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it, what meaning we make out ofit, how quickly we do the things
on the journey.
We've been telling each otherour stories for many, many years
, but we haven't understood thatthe plot line is the same,
which is why the heroine'sjourney and you and I can help
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each other, because we can seewhat comes next.
Cheryl Fischer (13:31):
Yeah, that's very profound to think about it,
because, well, what would yousay if someone's listening and
they're thinking, well, but youhad kids and I never had kids,
and you worked and I had abusiness, and how do you say
that that's the same?
It's a very differentexperience.
I had a business, and how doyou say that that's the same?
It's a very differentexperience.
Joan Perry (13:49):
Well, I would first say, go to heroinesbookcom and
get your free plus shipping bookso that you can learn about the
steps on the heroine's journey.
Because the steps on theheroine's journey are not
specific to incidences or lifechoices.
They're specific to our growthand the different steps we go
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through for that.
And you know, there are dayswhen my life just isn't working
the way I want it to work and Isit back and I think what's
throwing me in the gutter today?
And because I know the steps ofheroine's journey, I ponder it,
I can figure it out and then Ican move on.
Cheryl Fischer (14:30):
Yes, yes, yes.
Joan Perry (14:32):
And some days which was, you know, is the discussion
on my podcast that people cango listen to, called the
Heroine's Journey with JoanPerry Some days it's a self
worth issue.
Cheryl Fischer (14:44):
Yes.
Joan Perry (14:45):
Some days it's that I've spent more money than
what's in my checking account.
Some days it's a really bad day, or it seems so, because my
husband just gave me divorcepapers, which you know was what
happened to me.
So you know, but it's going tobe one of those areas, of those
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areas, and the heroine's journeyinvites you to know what's
going on in that part of yourlife and move forward.
Cheryl Fischer (15:16):
Something you said in the book and let's see
if I'm interpreting thiscorrectly is that we need to
figure out how to create ourstability, and to me it kind of
feels like that's sort of whatyou're talking about.
Is that fair?
Joan Perry (15:31):
Yes, so the overall, not the individual steps, but
the overall path of theheroine's journey is create your
stability.
Okay, because that's the firststep.
You have to have legs on theground.
The next step is awaken yourauthenticity.
But let me tell you, as long asyou're in prostitution which
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you are if you haven't createdyour stability and it's very
important to know what it meansto create your stability you
cannot be authentic until youare stable.
Once you awaken yourauthenticity, then the next step
after that is light up yourgifts.
Well, god sent you roaring downthe birth canal with a whole
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bunch of gifts, tools, talentsthat you're supposed to deliver
while you're here.
Well, if you haven't createdyour stability, awakened your
authenticity, you can't findyour gifts because your gifts
come from being authentic.
You can't find your giftsbecause your gifts come from
being authentic.
So then, when you know yourgifts and I'll tell a quick
story a professor in collegesaid to me you're a writer.
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I said, no, I'm not a writer,I'm a biology student.
You know, I was expecting to gooff to marine biology or
something.
And he said no, you're a writer.
Well, many years later, 30 yearslater, when I wrote A Girl
Needs Cash, which was my firstbook.
I signed it and took it back tohim and said I'm a writer, I
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love it.
You light up your gift.
You can proceed to the fourthstep, which is make your
contribution.
And that is the best place tolive in, honestly your joy, your
freedom, your prosperity, itall lies there.
I mean, I'm happy to say that Ispend my days now making my
contribution.
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My contribution is clearly, youknow, to argue with Joseph
Campbell to, you know, put myarms around women who are
standing at the top of the cliffand saying Do I fall over and
crash on those rocks below, ordo I rise like a phoenix into
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the blue sky?
Yeah, and I'm standing there asyour cheerleader saying put
those wings on and fly baby.
Cheryl Fischer (17:51):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And when we hit this period,why are we fooling around?
We don't have forever.
We have a lot more time,hopefully, god willing, a lot
more time, but it's not forever,and we know that.
So enough fooling around.
Joan Perry (18:09):
Well see, I think you spend the first 50 years
doing everything to makeyourself safe and secure.
And then you reach the midstage and you say, well, wait a
minute, is this all there is?
I chose to go work over herebecause I thought I'd be secure.
And then you realize whensomething blows up, ah, it never
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made me secure.
What was I thinking?
Yes, and you start to let go ofthat and realize that your
safety and your blossoming comesfrom your fulfillment.
Yes, yes, yes it's not fromtrying to calm your fears, it's
from blossoming.
You're like a rose of natureand nature has a natural process
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to bloom.
That rose, the rose, cannot sayI'm not blooming, it just
doesn't.
And we're the same.
We can't say I'm not blooming.
So if you reach that stage andyou don't see it as a gift that
there was a disruption and youdon't start to then look at life
from a new lens, you'll createa lot of pain in yourself, right
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Because you're supposed tobloom.
Cheryl Fischer (19:20):
Yes, and I love that you said is this all there
is?
Because I think almost to aperson.
When we women reach this stage,we're asking some form of that
question and it might sound alittle different and look a
little different and it might bejust about one area of your
life, but it's that question andthat just opens up every
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possibility.
Joan Perry (19:43):
The heroine's journey calls you to ask big
questions.
That's the whole point of theheroine's journey, and one of
those big questions is who am I?
Do I like what I'm doing?
Cheryl Fischer (19:58):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (19:59):
I mean big questions that are authentic questions.
That's when your authenticityblossoms, because you're asking
authentic questions.
Yeah, you know, maybe it's foryou.
For me, I lived with this manfor 20 some years.
Was that where I wanted to be?
He left me, but the honestanswer was no.
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I didn't want to be therebecause I couldn't become who I
am today under thosecircumstances.
So those circumstances had tochange Right Now.
Did I resist?
Was it painful?
Did I hate the transition?
All of the above Right.
However, looking back now, Iwouldn't change a moment of it.
Cheryl Fischer (20:43):
I love that you're kind of sharing, that
there's such a big, powerful,positive impact to this kind of
sharing, that there's such a big, powerful, positive impact to
this, because I think askingthose big questions is scary and
no question.
You get stuck there Because itfeels who am I?
Is this all there is?
Where am I going?
It's too much.
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I don't, I don't know.
It's too much.
Joan Perry (21:07):
Yes, but it will create a natural tension inside
of you and that tension and thatpain is going to get bigger and
bigger, and that's until itbreaks loose.
Cheryl Fischer (21:18):
That feels big and scary to hear it that way,
except for the fact that it'screating something great.
Joan Perry (21:25):
There's a path forward.
You're not alone.
You're not out in the wildsdoing it all by yourself.
There are women who've comebefore us, that are very wise,
who show us the path.
Cheryl Fischer (21:36):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (21:37):
It doesn't matter whether we're talking Amelia
Earhart or Eleanor Roosevelt orOprah, or you know any number of
other women we can mention.
They crossed.
This was their plot line too.
Absolutely, we're not makingthis up.
Cheryl Fischer (21:52):
Oh, I'm absorbing, I'm absorbing.
Yeah, it's a lot.
So now, another thing that thatjumped out to me is I liked
your concept that we have Ithink you call them four
cornerstones that maybe give usstrength, and I like the way you
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describe this, and it wasbeliefs, physical, people and
financial.
So tell me a little bit moreabout that.
Joan Perry (22:21):
So, as you can see, I'm a very visual person person.
So to me life is a flower cart.
You know those kind of reallylovely wood patina.
They're slatted, you know, andif you were going to market with
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your flowers, you would put allyour flowers in the bed of the
truck and it would be beautiful.
Okay, that's who you are andyou're trying to get your cart
to market because you want tomonetize your flowers that
you've grown and share them withother people.
But damn, you're riding down theroad and all of a sudden you
look back over your shoulder andyou're like that wheel is
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wobbling and you're thinkingit's slowing down my pace.
And then you look back over theother one and you're like, ah,
it just fell off.
And then all of a sudden yourbutt's dragging on the ground
and you think how am I going todo this?
And then you realize your frontwheels aren't all that stable
either.
So you get out of your cart andyou think I got to get these
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flowers to market and you startpushing.
Well, that doesn't work.
You start pulling Well, thatdoesn't work, because you're
literally grounded.
I get so annoyed, Cheryl, when Ihear people tell women get
empowered.
You cannot get empowered.
You cannot power your cart ifyour four wheels are off.
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Okay, so what are they?
The four wheels?
Are we discussed one?
Self-worth?
Yeah, when you're saying shittythings to yourself about
yourself and you're diminishingyour self-worth, that wheel is
going to be wobbly 100%.
If you're in a relationship,like I was, where the man I was
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living with was physicallyabusing me, how did I think I
could become great?
Hmm, If you spend more thanwhat's in your checking account
and you're not running your lifelike a business you got a
problem there.
And if you're not sourcing yourlife force, energy, which means
lots of things, getting enoughsleep, eating well, a variety of
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things that wheel just mighthave fallen off.
So the very first task you havein the heroine's journey is to
get all four wheels back on thecart.
What does that look like?
That looks like only say goodthings to yourself about
yourself.
That looks like spend less thanyou earn and invest the
difference.
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That looks like surroundyourself with people who love
you it's called your circle oflove so that every day, you get
up and you're happy to be withthe people you're with, and the
ones that don't make you feelthat way may need a swift boot
right out of your life whichI've learned to do now because
I'm not going to let anyonecompromise me and so that you do
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the things you need to doenough sleep, good diet.
The things you need to do,meditate there's quite a few so
that you get those wheels firmlyback on your cart.
Quite a few so that you getthose wheels firmly back on your
cart, yeah.
And then you have a chance, onceyou've created that stability,
to move on to the next step,which is awaken your
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authenticity.
But, as I said earlier, youcan't awaken your authenticity
until the flower cart of yourlife is in good shape.
Cheryl Fischer (25:46):
That's a great visual.
I know it's going to stick withme.
I know it's going to stick withwhoever is listening too,
because you can just imagine,like I can.
It's almost like sometimes wefeel like we're dragging
ourselves through life.
So now I'm imagining myselfjust trying to drag this whole
thing with me.
Yeah, absolutely.
Joan Perry (26:05):
And then there are days when I say to myself that
gutter is getting pretty close.
And then I say to myself whichwheel is not working well?
And as an example, maybe twomonths ago I said to someone who
I thought she was my friend,but when I looked at it I was
having to work harder than shewas working.
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You know, sometimes when youjust stop, you realize there's
not a friendship there.
And I had the courage andstrength to say to her we don't
need to pretend any longer thatwe're friends.
And she took offense.
But she had the opportunity toengage in a meaningful
conversation with me and say youknow, could you explain this to
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me?
Instead, she took offense anddisappeared.
Well, I want to put my energy inpositive ways and I surround
myself with people who give andtake and that didn't fit, yeah,
that didn't fit, yeah.
So there, there's so much tolearn on the heroine's journey.
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I mean it's it's beentransformative in my own life,
mind boggling, you know, Ipractice it, I, I swear by it
and I can tell you that it gotme out of the gutter Because I
was bouncing from one gutter tothe other and when I went
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through divorce and a number ofbig, big transitions in my life
and it was understanding thispathway forward and what, what
it took to get my cart with allfour wheels on it Right.
Cheryl Fischer (27:44):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (27:45):
And then moving forward, moving forward.
Cheryl Fischer (27:48):
I love it and I, I and I kind of want us to just
sit with that visual for alittle while.
Thank you so much, Joan, forjoining me today.
I know this is going to reallyresonate with anybody who is
listening, and it's given mesomething to think about for a
while too.
Joan Perry (28:04):
Good Well, thanks for having me and my.
My greatest joy is to see thatyou know, help you to live the
best life you can live, and Ihope that people will find the
book.
You know that they will comeback to you to ask questions and
that that we will all prosper.
Cheryl Fischer (28:22):
Okay, I've realized two things in this
conversation.
One, that flower cart with thewheels falling off concept is
going to stay with me a longtime and I hope it stays with
you.
And number two, I love it whenpeople speak in pictures, and I
am going to work on that for you, dear listener, because maybe
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you enjoy that too and maybe itmakes it easier for you to
remember.
So the idea of all of thisdiscussion is that we can grow
through challenges that happenin our lives, and in that part
we were talking about creatingyour stability.
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Joan has 13 steps that we gothrough in that part and we did
not go into that.
So I agree, you do want to takea look at her book.
Make sure you go to the shownotes or go to Cheryl P
Fishercom slash read you'll seeit there and look into it more,
because Joan and I fully agreeon the fact that we're going to
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hit challenges and the act ofovercoming them and believing in
ourselves.
Overcoming them is what takesus into moving forward and
making something amazing, and Ihope you got that out of today's
episode, just like I did.
Now make sure that you comeengage with us in the Patreon
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community.
I'm going to be doing anotherchat about those 13 steps in the
heroine's journey.
Can't wait for you to listen in.
Find me at the Midlife PivotPatreon that's patreoncom slash
midlifepivot.
Now make sure that you have hitthe follow button, because I am
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so excited about what's comingin the next episode.
I'm going to start about once amonth maybe once every six
weeks, we'll see how it goesDoing a Q&A episode for you so
that you can ask questions and Iwill answer them.
What might you ask?
Well, maybe it's something thatyou've thought about asking a
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coach about related to midlife.
Maybe it's job, relationship,physical body, mindset,
something that you're strugglingwith, or maybe it's a wacky
question.
I'll answer maybe a wackyquestion each time too.
So scroll down in the shownotes, find where it tells you
that you can ask a question andthrow it in there, and maybe
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you'll hear it on an episodecoming soon.
And in the meantime, slow down,notice what's going on around
you and what's going on in yourhead.
Let's create something amazing.
is this all there is?
I wonder if you've foundyourself in a situation, or just
in a day, when some variationof that question was in your
head what the heck am I doinghere in my job, life,
relationship, health, whateverit is?
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I think we all hit this inmidlife in some way and of
course, it's different in theexact scenario how significant
the effect is on our lives, butwe hit it and so let's see if we
can make sense out of it.
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This is the Mind your Midlifepodcast.
It's really interesting to lookback on challenges in life and
see, maybe, how they made senseor I wouldn't wish challenges on
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anyone but maybe how we becamesomeone who could get through or
solve those challenges.
Look back, because I bet you canfind an example of you having
done that with somethingdifficult in your life, and the
reason I have such a heart forwomen in midlife is that I see
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shifts happening in so manyareas of our lives, and with
shifts come challenges.
Now, today's guest is going toreally enlighten us on this,
because she is the bestsellingauthor of the book the Heroine's
Journey, and if you've everheard the concept or the
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original book the Hero's Journey, this is a female perspective.
She's also the author of A GirlNeeds Cash, and so I want you
to meet today with me, joanPerry.
She is an advocate for womenbecoming the heroines of our own
lives, and we're going to talkabout what does that mean and
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how do we do that.
Let's go, let's start with this, because you're the author of
the book the Heroine's Journeyand I was taking a look at your
book, which is fantastic, and Ireally see this and the way it
kind of describes things thatmidlife women are going through
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on our journey.
So for somebody who doesn'tknow what you mean by the
heroine's journey, can you kindof describe that overall story?
Joan Perry (03:14):
Sure, I went to an Oprah event and Liz Gilbert, who
wrote Eat Pray Love, stood onOprah's stage and she made the
comment that she asked JosephCampbell, who, by the way, was
the father of the Hero's Journeydo women have a similar path to
maturity?
Very good question, because youknow, the path to maturity for
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a man means he grows up Right.
And Joseph Campbell said to LizGilbert, as she reported no,
they don't, they stay home andcry.
That just flipped me right offmy chair, bounced me down the
steps.
I felt like I was looking up atLiz Gilbert on the steps of the
stage and saying what?
Cheryl Fischer (03:57):
Yeah, that's my response.
What I can't believe somebodywould say that seriously.
Joan Perry (04:05):
Yes, and I just found that so appalling that it
compelled me to write theHeroine's Journey, because what
I discovered over 10 years ofwork is number one Joseph
Campbell was right we don't havea hero's journey, okay.
Number two he was wrong.
We have a heroine's journey,and there's a decided difference
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between the two of them, and Ithink that our society has sent
women down the path of thehero's journey.
All of a sudden, we get tomidlife, we're miserable, we
don't know why.
I like to say it's because Iclimbed to the top of the ladder
and the ladder was in the wrongbuilding, because I was on a
hero's journey and not aheroine's journey.
Cheryl Fischer (04:48):
So what I'm hearing when you say that is
along the lines of we putourselves maybe into a position
and go for things that are sortof masculine energy related,
that might not be the right fitfor us to be going for.
Is that sort of how you mightsay it?
Joan Perry (05:06):
Yes, I'd go a little further and to say that the
hero's journey is an externaljourney.
We know it.
Go out and fight the lions,tigers and bears and bring back
the bacon.
Okay, if you're graduating froma college, go out, climb the
corporate ladder, earn the moneyand bring some back to the
university.
Okay, yeah, I mean that is theexternal journey.
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When I graduated from businessschool, that was the journey I
thought that I needed to be on.
I looked around and I said whatis success for a man?
And the?
I mean what is success?
And I got back.
Well, it's obviously the path aman takes.
I never stopped to think thatmaybe that wasn't going to
fulfill me, make me happy.
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Let me enjoy the joy of my life.
Cheryl Fischer (05:55):
You know, I was going to say that.
It's very interesting to methat you say that, because I
think this hits on somethingthat we have nowhere near enough
time to talk about, and that is, as women, do we want to be
equal to a man in the corporateworld or whatever?
We're always fighting for that,or do we not care about that at
all and we want to go in atotally different direction, and
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maybe it's always an individualdecision, but what a whole
thing there is there to unpack.
Joan Perry (06:22):
Yeah, but I don't think it's an individual
decision.
I think we have a differentpath and that we've not
understood our path up untilthis point, because while a man
takes an external journey to hismaturity, we take an internal
journey to our maturity, and ourmaturity arises as we claim our
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self-worth and our voice.
Cheryl Fischer (06:46):
Yes.
Joan Perry (06:47):
And once I understood that and I started to
claim my self-worth, be happywith who I am, prosper in who I
am, and I couldn't have a voiceuntil I had self-worth.
So it's rebelling from thatwhole culture, culture about
you're too fat, you're notpretty enough, you're not smart
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enough, you're not, blah, blah,blah, blah.
Yes, you're all.
You're all of what you need tobe.
Claim your self-worth, and thatwill allow your voice to spring
forward.
Now, what's terribly interestingabout this first story I'm
telling is is that 10 minutesbefore I was finishing the book
and it was going to go off tothe publisher, someone who was
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working with me said Joan, Ihave a quote for you, and she
sent it over.
It was a quote from JosephCampbell, the author of the
Hero's Journey, that finallysaid I can't tell you what the
journey of a woman is.
I can't tell you if it's likethe hero's journey.
All I can tell you is that awoman is going to have to tell
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us about this.
And if the very last page of mybook it was so perfect because,
at least in my mind I foundfelt like he'd found a little
maturity.
Cheryl Fischer (08:04):
I agree, I was thinking okay, he got it
together.
Joan Perry (08:07):
And he wasn't requiring me to be him.
Cheryl Fischer (08:10):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (08:11):
Because I'm not Right.
I'm just not Right.
So that's the first story Iwould tell you.
The second one is that aprofound experience happened to
me, as profound as thatexperience.
I was with a group of women downin Mexico and we were sitting
around a fire and all of asudden, someone I had known, a
friend of mine, came and satdown next to me, and I didn't
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expect to see her there.
I didn't think she was comingto that event.
It was a women's retreat, youknow.
You pretty well knew who wouldbe there, and all of a sudden
she showed up.
She sat down next to me andwhen she sat down next to me I
could feel that there wassomething going on in her that
was dramatic.
So when we had a chance to talk, she told me this story.
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The story was that she and herhusband left Canada, where she
lives, flew down to Mexico,checked into a gorgeous resort,
you know, walked into their roomrose petals everywhere,
champagne, you know just I thinkit was their 24th or something
and you know just expecting tohave this unbelievably romantic
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weekend.
So they're going to go out todinner that night.
They walk down the hill, theyget in a rowboat and the rowboat
takes them around the cove andthey walk up a long set of
stairs to get to the top of thecliff.
Once we're there at the top ofthe cliff, they're standing in
front of this rail, magnificentblue sky above them and crashing
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rocks, with the sea justpounding on the rocks below them
.
So you can imagine the drama ofthis scene, right, she's, like
you know, kind of way out therein romance at this point.
You know, in this, you knowmagical setting and he turns to
her and says I want a divorce.
Cheryl Fischer (09:59):
Oh, my goodness.
Joan Perry (10:01):
Yes, and she?
This was a true story.
She was expecting to spend thenext 10 days there with him,
which she did, trying not to be,you know, dramatic or whatever.
Um, we all knew that he washaving an affair with another
woman.
She was the last to know.
But the why that hit me so hard,sitting in this magical setting
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in Mexico, was that I believethat every woman who hits
midlife hits something similar,and what I mean by that is that
and this is a basis of theheroine's journey whether it's
financial or relationship, orhealth or self-worth, and
whether it's a big blow or asmaller one.
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Now, I was such a hard nut tocrack that in my life it was a
huge blow.
I mean, it just rocked my world, sent me flying.
It was a yard sale that coveredthe planet, you know.
But myth life does, and theheroine's journey it's a step on
the heroine's journey doesoften come with something that
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majorly upsets your life,shatters your vision of what you
think life is going forward,and then calls you to reinvent
yourself, and it's very easy atthat moment to go oh my gosh.
This is the most horrible thingthat ever happened to me and I
can tell you.
It took me years, but Idetermined that it was the best
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gift that could have ever beendelivered to me.
Cheryl Fischer (11:34):
We so often see that in hindsight, don't we?
Joan Perry (11:36):
Yeah, but between those two stories, I realized
that women have a journey andthat it's a major upset which is
the start of the journey.
Cheryl Fischer (11:48):
I agree with you about midlife and I agree with
you that these things can be bigor small for sure, and maybe
big or small is not even theright pair of words to use,
because something that mightfeel small for me might feel
really big for someone else.
So it's probably not fair tosay it quite that way, but I've
definitely hit on a couple ofthings over the past few years
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that I didn't see coming, andit's not going to be the same
things that happened to you andnot the same things that
happened to the person who'slistening right now, but there's
a shift of some sort, or maybemany shifts.
I struggled a lot with kind ofplaying small and learning how
not to play small, and your termself-worth is exactly what
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maybe I was trying to say isthat I needed to grow my or
recognize that, yeah, yeah.
Joan Perry (12:44):
Because here's the truth, and this is what I
discovered In a similar fashion.
The plot line of a woman's lifemy life, your life, any number
of other women we can mentionthe plot line's the same.
What's different are ourstories, Ooh, how we experience
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it, what meaning we make out ofit, how quickly we do the things
on the journey.
We've been telling each otherour stories for many, many years
, but we haven't understood thatthe plot line is the same,
which is why the heroine'sjourney and you and I can help
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each other, because we can seewhat comes next.
Cheryl Fischer (13:31):
Yeah, that's very profound to think about it,
because, well, what would yousay if someone's listening and
they're thinking, well, but youhad kids and I never had kids,
and you worked and I had abusiness, and how do you say
that that's the same?
It's a very differentexperience.
I had a business, and how doyou say that that's the same?
It's a very differentexperience.
Joan Perry (13:49):
Well, I would first say, go to heroinesbookcom and
get your free plus shipping bookso that you can learn about the
steps on the heroine's journey.
Because the steps on theheroine's journey are not
specific to incidences or lifechoices.
They're specific to our growthand the different steps we go
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through for that.
And you know, there are dayswhen my life just isn't working
the way I want it to work and Isit back and I think what's
throwing me in the gutter today?
And because I know the steps ofheroine's journey, I ponder it,
I can figure it out and then Ican move on.
Cheryl Fischer (14:30):
Yes, yes, yes.
Joan Perry (14:32):
And some days which was, you know, is the discussion
on my podcast that people cango listen to, called the
Heroine's Journey with JoanPerry Some days it's a self
worth issue.
Cheryl Fischer (14:44):
Yes.
Joan Perry (14:45):
Some days it's that I've spent more money than
what's in my checking account.
Some days it's a really bad day, or it seems so, because my
husband just gave me divorcepapers, which you know was what
happened to me.
So you know, but it's going tobe one of those areas, of those
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areas, and the heroine's journeyinvites you to know what's
going on in that part of yourlife and move forward.
Cheryl Fischer (15:16):
Something you said in the book and let's see
if I'm interpreting thiscorrectly is that we need to
figure out how to create ourstability, and to me it kind of
feels like that's sort of whatyou're talking about.
Is that fair?
Joan Perry (15:31):
Yes, so the overall, not the individual steps, but
the overall path of theheroine's journey is create your
stability.
Okay, because that's the firststep.
You have to have legs on theground.
The next step is awaken yourauthenticity.
But let me tell you, as long asyou're in prostitution which
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you are if you haven't createdyour stability and it's very
important to know what it meansto create your stability you
cannot be authentic until youare stable.
Once you awaken yourauthenticity, then the next step
after that is light up yourgifts.
Well, god sent you roaring downthe birth canal with a whole
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bunch of gifts, tools, talentsthat you're supposed to deliver
while you're here.
Well, if you haven't createdyour stability, awakened your
authenticity, you can't findyour gifts because your gifts
come from being authentic.
You can't find your giftsbecause your gifts come from
being authentic.
So then, when you know yourgifts and I'll tell a quick
story a professor in collegesaid to me you're a writer.
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I said, no, I'm not a writer,I'm a biology student.
You know, I was expecting to gooff to marine biology or
something.
And he said no, you're a writer.
Well, many years later, 30 yearslater, when I wrote A Girl
Needs Cash, which was my firstbook.
I signed it and took it back tohim and said I'm a writer, I
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love it.
You light up your gift.
You can proceed to the fourthstep, which is make your
contribution.
And that is the best place tolive in, honestly your joy, your
freedom, your prosperity, itall lies there.
I mean, I'm happy to say that Ispend my days now making my
contribution.
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My contribution is clearly, youknow, to argue with Joseph
Campbell to, you know, put myarms around women who are
standing at the top of the cliffand saying Do I fall over and
crash on those rocks below, ordo I rise like a phoenix into
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the blue sky?
Yeah, and I'm standing there asyour cheerleader saying put
those wings on and fly baby.
Cheryl Fischer (17:51):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And when we hit this period,why are we fooling around?
We don't have forever.
We have a lot more time,hopefully, god willing, a lot
more time, but it's not forever,and we know that.
So enough fooling around.
Joan Perry (18:09):
Well see, I think you spend the first 50 years
doing everything to makeyourself safe and secure.
And then you reach the midstage and you say, well, wait a
minute, is this all there is?
I chose to go work over herebecause I thought I'd be secure.
And then you realize whensomething blows up, ah, it never
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made me secure.
What was I thinking?
Yes, and you start to let go ofthat and realize that your
safety and your blossoming comesfrom your fulfillment.
Yes, yes, yes it's not fromtrying to calm your fears, it's
from blossoming.
You're like a rose of natureand nature has a natural process
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to bloom.
That rose, the rose, cannot sayI'm not blooming, it just
doesn't.
And we're the same.
We can't say I'm not blooming.
So if you reach that stage andyou don't see it as a gift that
there was a disruption and youdon't start to then look at life
from a new lens, you'll createa lot of pain in yourself, right
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Because you're supposed tobloom.
Cheryl Fischer (19:20):
Yes, and I love that you said is this all there
is?
Because I think almost to aperson.
When we women reach this stage,we're asking some form of that
question and it might sound alittle different and look a
little different and it might bejust about one area of your
life, but it's that question andthat just opens up every
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possibility.
Joan Perry (19:43):
The heroine's journey calls you to ask big
questions.
That's the whole point of theheroine's journey, and one of
those big questions is who am I?
Do I like what I'm doing?
Cheryl Fischer (19:58):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (19:59):
I mean big questions that are authentic questions.
That's when your authenticityblossoms, because you're asking
authentic questions.
Yeah, you know, maybe it's foryou.
For me, I lived with this manfor 20 some years.
Was that where I wanted to be?
He left me, but the honestanswer was no.
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I didn't want to be therebecause I couldn't become who I
am today under thosecircumstances.
So those circumstances had tochange Right Now.
Did I resist?
Was it painful?
Did I hate the transition?
All of the above Right.
However, looking back now, Iwouldn't change a moment of it.
Cheryl Fischer (20:43):
I love that you're kind of sharing, that
there's such a big, powerful,positive impact to this kind of
sharing, that there's such a big, powerful, positive impact to
this, because I think askingthose big questions is scary and
no question.
You get stuck there Because itfeels who am I?
Is this all there is?
Where am I going?
It's too much.
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I don't, I don't know.
It's too much.
Joan Perry (21:07):
Yes, but it will create a natural tension inside
of you and that tension and thatpain is going to get bigger and
bigger, and that's until itbreaks loose.
Cheryl Fischer (21:18):
That feels big and scary to hear it that way,
except for the fact that it'screating something great.
Joan Perry (21:25):
There's a path forward.
You're not alone.
You're not out in the wildsdoing it all by yourself.
There are women who've comebefore us, that are very wise,
who show us the path.
Cheryl Fischer (21:36):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (21:37):
It doesn't matter whether we're talking Amelia
Earhart or Eleanor Roosevelt orOprah, or you know any number of
other women we can mention.
They crossed.
This was their plot line too.
Absolutely, we're not makingthis up.
Cheryl Fischer (21:52):
Oh, I'm absorbing, I'm absorbing.
Yeah, it's a lot.
So now, another thing that thatjumped out to me is I liked
your concept that we have Ithink you call them four
cornerstones that maybe give usstrength, and I like the way you
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describe this, and it wasbeliefs, physical, people and
financial.
So tell me a little bit moreabout that.
Joan Perry (22:21):
So, as you can see, I'm a very visual person person.
So to me life is a flower cart.
You know those kind of reallylovely wood patina.
They're slatted, you know, andif you were going to market with
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your flowers, you would put allyour flowers in the bed of the
truck and it would be beautiful.
Okay, that's who you are andyou're trying to get your cart
to market because you want tomonetize your flowers that
you've grown and share them withother people.
But damn, you're riding down theroad and all of a sudden you
look back over your shoulder andyou're like that wheel is
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wobbling and you're thinkingit's slowing down my pace.
And then you look back over theother one and you're like, ah,
it just fell off.
And then all of a sudden yourbutt's dragging on the ground
and you think how am I going todo this?
And then you realize your frontwheels aren't all that stable
either.
So you get out of your cart andyou think I got to get these
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flowers to market and you startpushing.
Well, that doesn't work.
You start pulling Well, thatdoesn't work, because you're
literally grounded.
I get so annoyed, Cheryl, when Ihear people tell women get
empowered.
You cannot get empowered.
You cannot power your cart ifyour four wheels are off.
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Okay, so what are they?
The four wheels?
Are we discussed one?
Self-worth?
Yeah, when you're saying shittythings to yourself about
yourself and you're diminishingyour self-worth, that wheel is
going to be wobbly 100%.
If you're in a relationship,like I was, where the man I was
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living with was physicallyabusing me, how did I think I
could become great?
Hmm, If you spend more thanwhat's in your checking account
and you're not running your lifelike a business you got a
problem there.
And if you're not sourcing yourlife force, energy, which means
lots of things, getting enoughsleep, eating well, a variety of
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things that wheel just mighthave fallen off.
So the very first task you havein the heroine's journey is to
get all four wheels back on thecart.
What does that look like?
That looks like only say goodthings to yourself about
yourself.
That looks like spend less thanyou earn and invest the
difference.
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That looks like surroundyourself with people who love
you it's called your circle oflove so that every day, you get
up and you're happy to be withthe people you're with, and the
ones that don't make you feelthat way may need a swift boot
right out of your life whichI've learned to do now because
I'm not going to let anyonecompromise me and so that you do
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the things you need to doenough sleep, good diet.
The things you need to do,meditate there's quite a few so
that you get those wheels firmlyback on your cart.
Quite a few so that you getthose wheels firmly back on your
cart, yeah.
And then you have a chance, onceyou've created that stability,
to move on to the next step,which is awaken your
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authenticity.
But, as I said earlier, youcan't awaken your authenticity
until the flower cart of yourlife is in good shape.
Cheryl Fischer (25:46):
That's a great visual.
I know it's going to stick withme.
I know it's going to stick withwhoever is listening too,
because you can just imagine,like I can.
It's almost like sometimes wefeel like we're dragging
ourselves through life.
So now I'm imagining myselfjust trying to drag this whole
thing with me.
Yeah, absolutely.
Joan Perry (26:05):
And then there are days when I say to myself that
gutter is getting pretty close.
And then I say to myself whichwheel is not working well?
And as an example, maybe twomonths ago I said to someone who
I thought she was my friend,but when I looked at it I was
having to work harder than shewas working.
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You know, sometimes when youjust stop, you realize there's
not a friendship there.
And I had the courage andstrength to say to her we don't
need to pretend any longer thatwe're friends.
And she took offense.
But she had the opportunity toengage in a meaningful
conversation with me and say youknow, could you explain this to
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me?
Instead, she took offense anddisappeared.
Well, I want to put my energy inpositive ways and I surround
myself with people who give andtake and that didn't fit, yeah,
that didn't fit, yeah.
So there, there's so much tolearn on the heroine's journey.
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I mean it's it's beentransformative in my own life,
mind boggling, you know, Ipractice it, I, I swear by it
and I can tell you that it gotme out of the gutter Because I
was bouncing from one gutter tothe other and when I went
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through divorce and a number ofbig, big transitions in my life
and it was understanding thispathway forward and what, what
it took to get my cart with allfour wheels on it Right.
Cheryl Fischer (27:44):
Yeah.
Joan Perry (27:45):
And then moving forward, moving forward.
Cheryl Fischer (27:48):
I love it and I, I and I kind of want us to just
sit with that visual for alittle while.
Thank you so much, Joan, forjoining me today.
I know this is going to reallyresonate with anybody who is
listening, and it's given mesomething to think about for a
while too.
Joan Perry (28:04):
Good Well, thanks for having me and my.
My greatest joy is to see thatyou know, help you to live the
best life you can live, and Ihope that people will find the
book.
You know that they will comeback to you to ask questions and
that that we will all prosper.
Cheryl Fischer (28:22):
Okay, I've realized two things in this
conversation.
One, that flower cart with thewheels falling off concept is
going to stay with me a longtime and I hope it stays with
you.
And number two, I love it whenpeople speak in pictures, and I
am going to work on that for you, dear listener, because maybe
(28:42):
you enjoy that too and maybe itmakes it easier for you to
remember.
So the idea of all of thisdiscussion is that we can grow
through challenges that happenin our lives, and in that part
we were talking about creatingyour stability.
(29:04):
Joan has 13 steps that we gothrough in that part and we did
not go into that.
So I agree, you do want to takea look at her book.
Make sure you go to the shownotes or go to Cheryl P
Fishercom slash read you'll seeit there and look into it more,
because Joan and I fully agreeon the fact that we're going to
(29:26):
hit challenges and the act ofovercoming them and believing in
ourselves.
Overcoming them is what takesus into moving forward and
making something amazing, and Ihope you got that out of today's
episode, just like I did.
Now make sure that you comeengage with us in the Patreon
(29:46):
community.
I'm going to be doing anotherchat about those 13 steps in the
heroine's journey.
Can't wait for you to listen in.
Find me at the Midlife PivotPatreon that's patreoncom slash
midlifepivot.
Now make sure that you have hitthe follow button, because I am
(30:08):
so excited about what's comingin the next episode.
I'm going to start about once amonth maybe once every six
weeks, we'll see how it goesDoing a Q&A episode for you so
that you can ask questions and Iwill answer them.
What might you ask?
Well, maybe it's something thatyou've thought about asking a
(30:31):
coach about related to midlife.
Maybe it's job, relationship,physical body, mindset,
something that you're strugglingwith, or maybe it's a wacky
question.
I'll answer maybe a wackyquestion each time too.
So scroll down in the shownotes, find where it tells you
that you can ask a question andthrow it in there, and maybe
(30:53):
you'll hear it on an episodecoming soon.
And in the meantime, slow down,notice what's going on around
you and what's going on in yourhead.
Let's create something amazing.
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