June 27, 2025 • 31 mins
Ever thought about switching things up in midlife—but stopped yourself because you didn’t know where to start or you were afraid to make a mistake?
In this episode, Cheryl sits down with leadership coach Limor Bergman Gross for a practical and inspiring conversation about creating multiple streams of income, building something new alongside your current job, and breaking through the common fears that hold us back. If you’ve been feeling stuck, burned out, or ready for a fresh challenge, this conversation will help you reframe what’s possible—and how to get started.
🎧 Whether you’re curious about a second act, dreaming about more freedom, or just tired of doing the same thing, this episode is for you.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU’LL DISCOVER:
✔ Why starting something while working your current job is often the smartest move
✔ What’s really behind the hesitation and procrastination—and how to work through it
✔ How to identify what lights you up and turn it into a potential income stream
✔ Why being a beginner isn’t a weakness—it’s actually the key to reinvention
🎯 OMG Moment: There are so many opportunities—you just have to be open to seeing them.
Take Action
Start simple: Ask yourself, “What do I truly enjoy doing?” Then take one small step to bring more of that into your life—whether it’s volunteering, mentoring, or trying something creative on the side.
Connect with Limor on LinkedIn and connect with Cheryl on Instagram.
Why This Episode Matters
Midlife is often seen as a time of winding down, but what if it’s actually the perfect time to start something new? With experience, perspective, and (finally!) a little more time—this is your moment. You don’t have to blow everything up to try something new. You just have to begin.
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Cheryl Fischer (00:00):
You've hit midlife and you're thinking
about what happens next.
This is such a commonconversation that I have with my
friends, so maybe I want to trysomething different.
Or maybe I'm worried aboutretirement and I'm worried about
having income for thatretirement and I'm worried about
(00:21):
having income for that.
Maybe you have always wanted toblank insert thing you've
always wanted to do and yetsometimes we kind of say up,
doesn't work, don't know how,can't do it too quickly, maybe
(00:45):
we can do it, and maybe we caneven do it alongside whatever
job or career we have.
Now to see how it works.
That's what we're going to talkabout today.
Stick with me.
Welcome to Mind your Midlife,your go-to resource for
confidence and success.
One thought at a time.
Unlike most advice out there,we believe that simply telling
you to believe in yourself orchange your habits isn't enough
(01:09):
to wake up excited about life orfeel truly confident in your
body.
Each week, you'll gainactionable strategies and oh my
goodness powerful insights tostop feeling stuck and start
loving your midlife.
This is the Mind your Midlifepodcast.
The last two episodes of Mindyour Midlife have been my
(01:35):
conversation with ShannonRussell about your second act
and then my conversation withyou about money mindset and the
powerful way that the way wefeel about money and think about
money affects our choices andour success.
And if we put all thosetogether, we have a nice little
(01:58):
mini series going.
So go check out episodes 32 and33 if you haven't already, and
this week we're continuing that.
What if you have been thinkingabout something?
You have this idea for yoursecond act, but you're not quite
(02:19):
sure about getting started.
Are you holding yourself back?
What's the hold up in doing it?
What if you could start thatnew idea, that next thing
alongside what you're doing now?
You're in midlife.
You're in your 40s, your 50s,your 60s.
(02:39):
You maybe have a bit more timeoutside of your day-to-day
commitments that allow you togive something different a try.
Now what you're going to hear metalk about with my guest today
is we often hold ourselves backfrom doing that, and there are a
(03:00):
few different reasons we mighthold ourselves back.
So I'm excited that we're goingto have this discussion and,
let me just say, in the Patreoncommunity this week, I'm going
to provide some further coachingon how to eliminate some of
these blocks that you're goingto hear us talking about today
(03:24):
on the episode.
So make sure that you've goneto patreoncom slash mind your
midlife and clicked join forfree, so that you can grab that
as well.
My guest today, limorBergman-Gross, is a leadership
coach working a lot to empowerwomen in tech to reclaim their
(03:49):
power.
A lot of times, women inleadership roles might be
feeling stuck or feelingfrustrated.
She walks them through aprocess helping them to take
control of their career growth,and so this is going to be a fun
conversation.
Welcome, limor.
Limor Bergman Gross (04:06):
Thank you so much for having me.
Cheryl Fischer (04:07):
Okay, so let's dive in.
How did you end up working withwomen as a leadership coach?
Limor Bergman Gross (04:15):
That's a great question, I think you know
.
Let's say it was a process, itwas a multi-year process and you
know from I don't know aboutyou, but from a lot of times,
looking people, looking outside,it seems like, oh, I have an
epiphany and one day I decidedthat's what I want to do.
But in most cases it's not.
(04:36):
This it's not a case, right?
I mean, uh, I, uh, I wasworking in tech, in software
development industry, for over20 years.
I was an engineer and then I wasa leader and I was many times
the only woman in the room orone of very, very few.
The more I grew in my career, Isaw less and less women, less
(04:58):
role models.
So I wanted to support otherwomen and I try to do that as
part of my role, both officially, like women that they managed,
or trying to hire more women,and unofficially, right, I
mentored pro bono.
I did different things andeventually I realized it took me
several years, as I said, but Irealized that that's actually I
(05:18):
really enjoy that and I feellike it's a mission of mine and
I just want to do it.
Cheryl Fischer (05:22):
Yep.
So we both have interestingstories moving in and out of
various careers and things, andso what we're going to talk
about today is the idea of, aswe head towards retirement as
midlife women, we're thinkingahead.
What are we going to do?
Having multiple streams ofincome might make really good
(05:52):
sense, and so tell me a littlebit more about why that's really
a good choice for someone.
Limor Bergman Gross (05:55):
For sure.
I think that, first of all, youcan work until retirement.
But, to be honest, in the areathat I was working in tech, but
to be honest, in the area that Iwas working in in tech it's not
trivial to work untilretirement, even if you want to.
Because, let's be frank, I mean, there is ageism in many
industries and when you becomeolder, you may be judged right.
(06:18):
I mean, you know, cheryl, thereare times that I was managing
people that were 20 yearsyounger than me, even more, and
I felt okay, but like, at somepoint you maybe looked as oh,
she's old, she's outdated, evenif you're not, so there's ageism
.
But also, like, as we age atleast I don't know about you,
(06:38):
I'll be happy to hear that but Ifelt like, wow, that's like
I've done that for so many yearsand I feel like I don't want to
do it anymore and I don't wantthis rigidity of a full-time job
anymore.
I want more flexibility, I wantmore freedom.
No-transcript.
(07:04):
That's, I think, the first.
Cheryl Fischer (07:07):
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I did not mean to interrupt you, but I want to react to that
because I think it's very validand one of the biggest, should I
say, issue, one of the biggestconcerns that my coaching
clients or even just friendsthat I'm chatting with come up
with is they're feeling burnedout, and that's what you're
(07:28):
describing is I'm tired of doingthis all day and, and maybe
it's kind of a practical burnout, like I'm just tired of the
schedule, or maybe it's muchdeeper emotional issue, but
we're we're we're getting burnedout sometimes, right, yeah,
we're getting burned out andalso I think we age and things
(07:51):
that were okay in our 30s maybeare less good for us in our 50s
or 60s.
Limor Bergman Gross (07:58):
So for me I felt like, oh my God, I cannot
do it anymore.
I need to do something else.
If you live corporate like whenyou're in corporate you have a
single source of income, right?
I recommend today women thatthey coach to start actually
something on the side.
I wish I've done that.
Actually, I don't know, haveyou?
Have you done that when youworked?
Have you?
Cheryl Fischer (08:19):
had a side.
Yes, I do multiple things now.
Yes, so why do you say that?
What makes you say that yourecommend that?
Limor Bergman Gross (08:26):
Yeah, say that.
What makes you say that?
You recommend that?
Yeah, for me the switch frombeing an employee to being a
business owner was scary,because I decided one day that
I'm going to stop what I'm doing.
I mean it was related to a movebut I decided like, okay, I'm
going to stop everything I'vedone till this day and I'm going
to start a business.
First I wasn't sure exactlywhat I'm going to do.
(08:47):
I knew like sort of.
But also it's like going from ahundred to zero, right, I mean,
you go for having a steadyincome to nothing.
And we all know that building abusiness takes time.
It doesn't happen overnight.
I think.
Also, when you are working, youknow people.
So it's kind of even easier ina way, like you have a lot of
connections and you know,because you're kind of you know,
(09:11):
working in organizations, youknow people you work with or
people you worked in the pastand you know people can refer
you, whatever.
Cheryl Fischer (09:19):
So lots of pluses, less stress.
You'd have more connections.
I like that and I thinksometimes so I do multiple
things Now, as I was just saying.
I still do some corporatetraining and sometimes I think
maybe we tell ourselves that ifwe're still doing the thing we
were previously doing, thenwe're not doing the new thing
(09:42):
well, or something like that.
There's like a message in therethat is self-sabotaging
sometimes, which I don't thinkis true at all.
Limor Bergman Gross (09:49):
Yeah, personally, I mean, I believe in
continuously learning andevolving.
So I think that for me, as longas I feel I bring value and I
enjoy what I'm doing, it's good.
If I stop enjoying or I feellike, oh, that's not something I
want to do, or maybe I'm not atmy best, then it's time to stop
(10:10):
.
And you know, cheryl, I'll tellyou another thing the more I
coach, for example, in mycoaching business, the more I
coach, the more clarity I get towho do I want to serve.
The thing is, when you start acoaching business, for example,
you serve different people andthere is this at the beginning,
like want to get as many clientsas you can, and you say, oh, I
can help everyone.
(10:30):
The thing is that I felt likeit's better to really decide who
you want to serve and whatspecific challenges they face.
So you bring your best.
Cheryl Fischer (10:42):
Yes.
Limor Bergman Gross (10:43):
I wonder if you relate to that.
Cheryl Fischer (10:45):
I really, really do, and anybody who's building
your own business right now,listen up.
I hired a coach to help merevamp the podcast this winter
and that's where a new name cameout of that and it's been going
well and I'm super happy withhow it turned out.
But the reason that I reachedout for help, well, there's two
(11:07):
reasons.
Number one I think anybody canbenefit from coaching and
coaches know that right, coacheshave coaches too.
But number two, I knew that mychallenge was exactly what
you're describing figuring outexactly who I'm talking to and
what do they need Because Iabsolutely fell into the trap of
(11:29):
these are things that any womanwould like to know, and why
would I limit and not speak toeveryone?
Everyone would want to know andthat's valid, but it wasn't
working and maybe and if you'relistening right now, maybe this
makes sense to you Maybe it wasbecause if I'm just kind of
speaking into the air to anyone,no one is connecting with that.
(11:51):
And with any type of businessright.
Limor Bergman Gross (11:53):
Absolutely.
Cheryl Fischer (11:54):
Okay.
So if somebody is listening tothis and they're thinking, all
right, you're talking aboutbeing unhappy with what you're
doing and starting a businessand doing it alongside, but
they're also kind of thinking Idon't know, I have all these
little ideas, but I don't knowhow I would do any of that and I
don't know what to do next andI don't know if I have time.
(12:16):
Do you have any advice forthose type of concerns?
Limor Bergman Gross (12:19):
Yeah, those are very valid concerns.
I think there are multipleoptions.
First, you can hire a coach.
Right, you can hire a coach tohelp you refine what you want.
But if you don't want to hire acoach, that's fine too.
You can start asking yourselfwhat do I, even in your current
job, like, what do I reallyenjoy?
Your job, by the way, and yourpersonal life, because maybe
your side business will havenothing to do with your main job
(12:43):
right now.
Maybe I don't know you work intech, but you really like
gardening I.
Maybe I don't know you work intech, but you really like
gardening, I don't know and nowyou want to help people build
their own kind of garden.
I'm just making something up.
It doesn't have to be relatedto what you're doing.
So I would encourage people tokind of ask themselves what they
really enjoy doing.
Even I would do it for freebecause I really enjoy that.
(13:05):
Like, for example, for me, Istarted mentoring in 2017 and I
did it for free.
Like I just mentoredengineering leaders and I really
enjoy that.
I felt a great sense ofenjoyment and accomplishment
when I was able to help someoneand then, you know, eventually
(13:26):
that led me to coaching.
So think about, kind of, whatare your gut telling you Like,
what do you like doing?
Also, ask friends what do theysee in you, what qualities do
they see in you?
A lot of times we're not thebest judges of ourselves, right,
I mean, or maybe we don't seeeverything.
Cheryl Fischer (13:41):
Right, we're hard on ourselves.
Limor Bergman Gross (13:43):
Yes, yeah, we're hard on ourselves, so
maybe we don't see what othersmay see.
Cheryl Fischer (13:53):
True, true, true , and I like the perspective
that this can kind of be easy.
Think about it.
What do you enjoy?
You don't have to have acertification or anything like
that right away.
You don't have to be doing itfor money right away, but bring
some more of the things intoyour life that are good for you.
Limor Bergman Gross (14:08):
Absolutely, and you know, I highly
recommend volunteering.
I think that giving back reallyopens doors to opportunities.
This is what happened to me andI still give back.
Cheryl Fischer (14:20):
So, yeah, a lot of charitable organizations have
found that there aren't as manypeople volunteering, there
aren't as many people gettinginvolved.
So that's a great way to do itis find something that you're
(14:44):
interested in and try Absolutely.
Limor Bergman Gross (14:46):
Yeah, and you know I am also reach out to
a lot of women.
I talk to women, so a lot oftime is just opening up yourself
, right, trying to network, tomeet new people, maybe going to
some kind of meetups, events,just mingling with people and
seeing you know what's out there, who interests you, just
(15:08):
talking with people.
You know what happened to me.
I volunteer at our local ICFchapter, okay, and I we do a lot
of events to our local chapterand I said, okay, you know what
I can.
I can offer several you knowworkshops on AI, how to use AI
for marketing, because I do thatfor my business and I really
like it.
And I did part one so far.
(15:30):
I have two more parts for that,completely for free.
I mean we charge money a littlebit just for the chapter, but
for me I mean I didn't get anybenefits, any financial benefits
from it.
And someone reached out to meand said I want to hire you to
help me.
And at first I thought I don'tknow if I even want to because
it's not my main.
But I said why not?
Maybe that will create anotherstream of know if I even want to
(15:51):
, because it's like it's not mymain.
But I said, why not Like?
Maybe that will create anotherstream of income if I want to do
it, if I like it.
So you see, I mean, when you,when you just put yourself out
there, you do different things,you help people, opportunities
start showing up, and then youhave to choose what you like and
what you don't like.
Cheryl Fischer (16:08):
Yes, and what a nice thing to be able to choose
that too.
Yeah, yes, and what a nicething to be able to choose that
too.
Yeah, yeah, there's power inthe ability to choose.
And let's say that this secondbusiness, whatever it is,
actually does become something.
Then you're listening now.
Imagine that now you get to sayyou know what?
I don't want to keep doing thething I've been doing for 30
(16:28):
years.
I want to do this new thing,and that's all.
You never know, right?
Limor Bergman Gross (16:33):
You never know.
You know, like both of us arepodcasters.
Let's say, someone reach out toyou and say, cheryl, I want to
start my podcast.
You're a pro, you're doing itfor so long, help me.
And then you'll say, well, Ican help you and you'll try and
help someone, even if it doesn't.
You know, maybe some freeadvice, maybe something paid,
(16:54):
and then you figure out, well,actually that's nice, I like
that, so you can start.
You know, another stream ofincome helping podcasters.
Cheryl Fischer (17:01):
You never know.
You're absolutely right and Ithink this is the way that
people who are sort ofentrepreneurial in nature I'm
doing air quotes think already.
But I don't know that it's theway that all of us have been
taught to think, to just kind ofbe open to these opportunities
and recognize it's definitelynot and there are potentially
(17:25):
some government jobs orsomething where you're not
supposed to be doing somethingelse.
But if that were the case, youwould know that.
You would know that when youwere hired.
And everybody else.
I mean, it's quite common to betrying out other things and I
think I just want this episodeto kind of make, if you're
listening, to make you feelempowered to just try it.
Limor Bergman Gross (17:48):
Yeah, and I think, Cheryl, you said the
right word try, you don't know.
Try different things and seewhat you like, See what works If
you don't try, you never know.
Cheryl Fischer (17:59):
And the perspective is interesting too,
because when I startedpodcasting I felt I'm curious if
you felt the same way.
I felt like, okay, here I amjust sitting here with this mic
and let's see what happens.
I didn't feel any sort ofamazing, you know business
person.
I was just sitting in my housewith a mic, but I noticed that
(18:19):
people would look at me and go,wow, you have a podcast.
Wow, it was such a perspectiveflip.
Limor Bergman Gross (18:26):
Absolutely, and I think that probably when
I started podcasting it was morethan two years ago.
At the beginning, you know Iwas okay, but we all kind of get
better over time, Like if youdo something again and again,
and again over a long period oftime, you improve, you get
better.
Cheryl Fischer (18:46):
Absolutely true, and so I read an article once
and I wish I could rememberwhere I read this that said that
a lot of times, people stay ina career or in a job or in a
situation any sort of situationthat they're not happy in
because they really, really,really don't want to be a
beginner at a new thing.
(19:06):
As adults, we don't want to bea beginner, we don't want to
make mistakes, we don't want tofeel like we don't know
everything.
But I think if we think of itas just try, just see, maybe it
takes the pressure off.
Limor Bergman Gross (19:18):
That's an interesting perspective, I think
.
First of all, about mistakes, Iwould say we always make
mistakes and, like, even ifwe're experienced, even if we do
something for 20 years mistakesas part of you know.
You know it happens.
So if we are too afraid to makemistakes, we're not going to
grow.
About being a beginner, I thinkit depends, but personally, if
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you're curious about somethingand you want to learn, why not?
I mean also, the world isevolving so much.
For example, when AI whengenerative AI, you know got out
two and a half years ago,everyone were a beginner.
Yeah, like.
I think a lot of that isrelated to like things evolve
and change and if you're notstart to learn new things and,
(20:02):
as you said, like, become abeginner at something, you will
stay behind.
Like in podcasting right,podcasting is not new, but it
was new at some point.
And if you feel like you wantto podcast, then it shouldn't
stop you that you've never donethat, you just need to learn.
Cheryl Fischer (20:17):
Absolutely agree .
Do you have any advice onpitfalls that someone might fall
into when trying to start a newthing alongside their job or
how to help them avoid the usualproblems that might come up?
Limor Bergman Gross (20:35):
I think procrastination is one.
So, because you want to startsomething on the side and maybe
you're afraid to fail, or ifyou're good enough, you may
procrastinate about it for toolong before actually starting
doing that.
For me, for example, if you'retalking about podcasting, I was
procrastinating about starting apodcast for at least a year.
(20:55):
I was thinking about it.
I want to start a podcast, Iwas talking about it, but I
didn't do it because I wasafraid.
And then you know what happened.
I met someone and she wasvisiting from the US.
She was visiting here and shetold me you know what?
I'm going to be your firstguest.
Let's do it.
I needed a push.
I needed a push and I say, yeah,let's do it.
(21:18):
So sometimes you know, when youwant to do something and you
don't do it, you procrastinateabout it.
You just need some something topush you or you need to put a
deadline.
Let's say I just take thepodcasting as an example.
You want to start a podcast?
Okay, cheryl, you're going tobe my first guest.
Let's schedule the recording,so you have already a commitment
(21:39):
.
Cheryl Fischer (21:40):
I like that.
That could apply to anything.
Limor Bergman Gross (21:42):
Yeah, and another thing I would say
perfection is the enemy ofgrowth and especially when
you're starting something outmaybe you haven't done before,
you haven't done it as abusiness then you should expect
at first maybe not be the best,or you know, you will learn a
(22:02):
lot.
Because if you are, as you said, like being afraid to make
mistakes, if you are afraid tofail, make mistakes, or you know
you're never going to do it.
So if you start something new,expect that.
Yeah, sometimes you'll notsucceed or it will not be great.
Cheryl Fischer (22:18):
That's okay, absolutely.
A mentor of mine always says beminus work, be okay with B
minus work.
You don't have to get an A.
You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine.
You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine
and I'll share another thing.
Limor Bergman Gross (22:34):
You know this is about self-perception,
right.
A lot of times we think ofourselves as we are B minus.
We're like I'm average, I'm notan expert Like with the AI
thing that happened to me like Idon't perceive myself as an AI
expert by no means.
I'm using it quite a lot.
I know a thing or two, but I'mnot an expert.
(22:54):
And you know, when I did thisworkshop, people were blowing
away oh my God, oh my God.
So they actually saw me as anexpert.
Cheryl Fischer (23:04):
That is a great point.
And I can't believe because I'ma mindset coach and that's what
this podcast is about is how wethink of ourselves.
I can't believe I neverrealized the downfall of that B
minus work saying because, yeah,we're not B minus people, but
it's okay if we put out work.
That's not perfect every singletime.
Limor Bergman Gross (23:26):
I don't.
I never strive to be perfect.
I'm not a perfectionist at all.
I never was so for me at least,it worked for my benefit.
I never try to be perfect, Ijust I think that the most
important thing is doing, keepdoing.
Cheryl Fischer (23:41):
Yeah, I agree, and and be creative.
And just to reiterate what yousaid earlier, I love the idea of
just looking in your currentjob, what do you enjoy?
Or in your life, what do youenjoy right?
I mean, naturally we helppeople, Every one of us is
helping people, naturally.
Limor Bergman Gross (24:08):
So think about.
What am I helping people with,either at the work or in my life
.
What do I like doing?
Cheryl Fischer (24:14):
I have a friend who created a whole business out
of teaching people to playMahjong, because Mahjong is very
popular now and it looks to mefrom the outside like she's
created a business that she isreally having fun with.
And it looks to me from theoutside like she's created a
business that she is reallyhaving fun with, and so more
power to her.
Limor Bergman Gross (24:31):
I think that this is one of the things I
would say.
You mentioned having fun.
If you start a business justfor the sake of making money,
it's going to be harder for you.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
It is possible.
If you're very, very kind ofyou know, diligent and kind of
force yourself to do it, you cando it.
But if you don't love it, ifyou don't like it, you don't
(24:53):
enjoy it, or most of it.
We never enjoy 100% of thethings, but if you don't enjoy
it, it will be hard for you topersist.
It will be hard for you to facedifferent challenges along the
way.
Yeah, so find something youenjoy doing.
Cheryl Fischer (25:07):
And either it ends up making money or it
doesn't, which is why we'resaying don't necessarily quit
your day job right away, right?
Limor Bergman Gross (25:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think the best way would be
to experiment and to have somesource of income, even if it's
not huge.
But then, if you have alreadyset up like, for example, I
encourage women that they coachif you have already set up like,
for example, I encourage womenthat they coach a lot of women
that they coach, you know areinterested in, you know, being a
coach as a side hustle and say,yeah, absolutely do that if you
can.
So think about it.
(25:35):
If you're building yourcoaching business and you have
even one client at a time butyou have, like, already some
testimonials, maybe you have awebsite or you put something on
LinkedIn, so you're all alreadyhave the infrastructure, you
have clients, and then, once youdecide to be a coach, then you
can start, not from zero.
You already have people who youcoach, who can be your
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referrals, and so forth.
Cheryl Fischer (26:00):
Yeah, absolutely , and it feels better.
And taking away that level ofdesperation again, as you said
earlier, where I have to makemoney right now, where I don't
have any food, is reallyimportant, because the self talk
that gets behind that is tough.
Limor Bergman Gross (26:16):
That is tough and, yes, some people have
done that right.
I mean, a lot of entrepreneursstarted from zero.
But think about those people,what they have in common they're
usually very ambitious and theyare very, very resilient, kind
of people Like nothing is goingto stop them.
And I think that most peopleare not like that.
Most people, you know we aremore fragile.
(26:38):
We are because eventually, likeeverything is possible, right,
you can, you can start.
Some people you know had thathuge debts and they started and
they succeeded.
But wow, you have to be really,really tough to succeed.
For the average person it'sreally hard.
So if you want to set yourselfup for success, it's better not
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to be pressured over puttingfood on the table.
Cheryl Fischer (27:03):
I love it and I love that.
That is the message of thisepisode.
Now let me ask if somebody isintrigued to find out more about
what you do or connect with you, how can they find you?
Limor Bergman Gross (27:15):
Yeah, the best way is to find me on
LinkedIn.
I think that's the best adviceI can give.
I'm trying to be active andeverything that I do is there,
and if I launch something new,it's going to be there.
Cheryl Fischer (27:27):
So perfect, and I will put that link in the show
notes as well.
So my last question for you isif someone's going to remember
one thing from this episodetoday, what would you say is the
important?
Oh, my goodness, one thing thatthey should remember.
Limor Bergman Gross (27:44):
That you have a lot of options.
I know that sometimes it feelslike we are at the end of the
road.
Everything looks grim.
Oh, I'm too old, oh, I don'tlike my job.
No one is going to hire meSeems like kind of hopeless and
like there are no.
There are so many opportunities, you just need to see them.
Cheryl Fischer (28:04):
I love it.
That is an excellent way towrap up.
Thank you so much, Limar, forjoining me.
Limor Bergman Gross (28:11):
Thank you so much, Cheryl, for having me.
Cheryl Fischer (28:15):
Okay, you heard it here.
That was an amazing OMG moment.
We just need to open ourselvesto seeing what possibilities are
out there, what new things wecould try.
And the seeing is the mindsetpiece, and I'm sure you figured
out that that's my favorite partOnce we decide to start
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purposefully.
As Limor was saying, look forthe things we enjoy doing, look
for the things that matter to us.
Look for the things we enjoydoing.
Look for the things that matterto us.
Look for the things that feelpowerful for us.
Follow those paths, having amind that is open, meaning
brainstorming just kind of.
It's hard to even describe, butlet's say it's a beautiful day
(29:02):
outside.
You walk outside and you havethis kind of open mind to seeing
all the beautiful things thetrees, the flowers, the blue sky
, the sun.
You're taking it all in becauseyou have a core subconscious
belief that today is a beautifulday.
Let me just pull in all theevidence of that.
(29:23):
What if you had a coresubconscious belief that said I
love the idea of tryingsomething new?
Let me figure out what I loveand then you just stay open to
gather the evidence, pull it allin, pull every thread that
comes up.
You just never know what mighthappen, and that is amazing.
(29:45):
Now, we also talked aboutprocrastinating a little bit
when we're not sure we have theabsolute perfect way to do it,
and I will confess, Iprocrastinated a bit on getting
the Patreon up and running.
So right now you can come hangwith us in my Mind your Midlife
P pivot Patreon community allsummer for free.
(30:07):
Grab the link in the show notes, make sure you're there.
Aren't there 10 million ways wecan do anything, and we just
have to decide and start Now.
Also, make sure you've hit thefollow button on Mind your
Midlife podcast, because nextweek we're going to be talking
about how to be more kind toyourself, and I will tell you we
(30:30):
all need that, everybody needsa reminder.
So I will see you then and inthe meantime, oh my goodness,
let's keep creating confidenceand success, one thought at a
time.
You've hit midlife and you're thinking
about what happens next.
This is such a commonconversation that I have with my
friends, so maybe I want to trysomething different.
Or maybe I'm worried aboutretirement and I'm worried about
having income for thatretirement and I'm worried about
(00:21):
having income for that.
Maybe you have always wanted toblank insert thing you've
always wanted to do and yetsometimes we kind of say up,
doesn't work, don't know how,can't do it too quickly, maybe
(00:45):
we can do it, and maybe we caneven do it alongside whatever
job or career we have.
Now to see how it works.
That's what we're going to talkabout today.
Stick with me.
Welcome to Mind your Midlife,your go-to resource for
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One thought at a time.
Unlike most advice out there,we believe that simply telling
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Each week, you'll gainactionable strategies and oh my
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This is the Mind your Midlifepodcast.
The last two episodes of Mindyour Midlife have been my
(01:35):
conversation with ShannonRussell about your second act
and then my conversation withyou about money mindset and the
powerful way that the way wefeel about money and think about
money affects our choices andour success.
And if we put all thosetogether, we have a nice little
(01:58):
mini series going.
So go check out episodes 32 and33 if you haven't already, and
this week we're continuing that.
What if you have been thinkingabout something?
You have this idea for yoursecond act, but you're not quite
(02:19):
sure about getting started.
Are you holding yourself back?
What's the hold up in doing it?
What if you could start thatnew idea, that next thing
alongside what you're doing now?
You're in midlife.
You're in your 40s, your 50s,your 60s.
(02:39):
You maybe have a bit more timeoutside of your day-to-day
commitments that allow you togive something different a try.
Now what you're going to hear metalk about with my guest today
is we often hold ourselves backfrom doing that, and there are a
(03:00):
few different reasons we mighthold ourselves back.
So I'm excited that we're goingto have this discussion and,
let me just say, in the Patreoncommunity this week, I'm going
to provide some further coachingon how to eliminate some of
these blocks that you're goingto hear us talking about today
(03:24):
on the episode.
So make sure that you've goneto patreoncom slash mind your
midlife and clicked join forfree, so that you can grab that
as well.
My guest today, limorBergman-Gross, is a leadership
coach working a lot to empowerwomen in tech to reclaim their
(03:49):
power.
A lot of times, women inleadership roles might be
feeling stuck or feelingfrustrated.
She walks them through aprocess helping them to take
control of their career growth,and so this is going to be a fun
conversation.
Welcome, limor.
Limor Bergman Gross (04:06):
Thank you so much for having me.
Cheryl Fischer (04:07):
Okay, so let's dive in.
How did you end up working withwomen as a leadership coach?
Limor Bergman Gross (04:15):
That's a great question, I think you know
.
Let's say it was a process, itwas a multi-year process and you
know from I don't know aboutyou, but from a lot of times,
looking people, looking outside,it seems like, oh, I have an
epiphany and one day I decidedthat's what I want to do.
But in most cases it's not.
(04:36):
This it's not a case, right?
I mean, uh, I, uh, I wasworking in tech, in software
development industry, for over20 years.
I was an engineer and then I wasa leader and I was many times
the only woman in the room orone of very, very few.
The more I grew in my career, Isaw less and less women, less
(04:58):
role models.
So I wanted to support otherwomen and I try to do that as
part of my role, both officially, like women that they managed,
or trying to hire more women,and unofficially, right, I
mentored pro bono.
I did different things andeventually I realized it took me
several years, as I said, but Irealized that that's actually I
(05:18):
really enjoy that and I feellike it's a mission of mine and
I just want to do it.
Cheryl Fischer (05:22):
Yep.
So we both have interestingstories moving in and out of
various careers and things, andso what we're going to talk
about today is the idea of, aswe head towards retirement as
midlife women, we're thinkingahead.
What are we going to do?
Having multiple streams ofincome might make really good
(05:52):
sense, and so tell me a littlebit more about why that's really
a good choice for someone.
Limor Bergman Gross (05:55):
For sure.
I think that, first of all, youcan work until retirement.
But, to be honest, in the areathat I was working in tech, but
to be honest, in the area that Iwas working in in tech it's not
trivial to work untilretirement, even if you want to.
Because, let's be frank, I mean, there is ageism in many
industries and when you becomeolder, you may be judged right.
(06:18):
I mean, you know, cheryl, thereare times that I was managing
people that were 20 yearsyounger than me, even more, and
I felt okay, but like, at somepoint you maybe looked as oh,
she's old, she's outdated, evenif you're not, so there's ageism
.
But also, like, as we age atleast I don't know about you,
(06:38):
I'll be happy to hear that but Ifelt like, wow, that's like
I've done that for so many yearsand I feel like I don't want to
do it anymore and I don't wantthis rigidity of a full-time job
anymore.
I want more flexibility, I wantmore freedom.
No-transcript.
(07:04):
That's, I think, the first.
Cheryl Fischer (07:07):
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I did not mean to interrupt you, but I want to react to that
because I think it's very validand one of the biggest, should I
say, issue, one of the biggestconcerns that my coaching
clients or even just friendsthat I'm chatting with come up
with is they're feeling burnedout, and that's what you're
(07:28):
describing is I'm tired of doingthis all day and, and maybe
it's kind of a practical burnout, like I'm just tired of the
schedule, or maybe it's muchdeeper emotional issue, but
we're we're we're getting burnedout sometimes, right, yeah,
we're getting burned out andalso I think we age and things
(07:51):
that were okay in our 30s maybeare less good for us in our 50s
or 60s.
Limor Bergman Gross (07:58):
So for me I felt like, oh my God, I cannot
do it anymore.
I need to do something else.
If you live corporate like whenyou're in corporate you have a
single source of income, right?
I recommend today women thatthey coach to start actually
something on the side.
I wish I've done that.
Actually, I don't know, haveyou?
Have you done that when youworked?
Have you?
Cheryl Fischer (08:19):
had a side.
Yes, I do multiple things now.
Yes, so why do you say that?
What makes you say that yourecommend that?
Limor Bergman Gross (08:26):
Yeah, say that.
What makes you say that?
You recommend that?
Yeah, for me the switch frombeing an employee to being a
business owner was scary,because I decided one day that
I'm going to stop what I'm doing.
I mean it was related to a movebut I decided like, okay, I'm
going to stop everything I'vedone till this day and I'm going
to start a business.
First I wasn't sure exactlywhat I'm going to do.
(08:47):
I knew like sort of.
But also it's like going from ahundred to zero, right, I mean,
you go for having a steadyincome to nothing.
And we all know that building abusiness takes time.
It doesn't happen overnight.
I think.
Also, when you are working, youknow people.
So it's kind of even easier ina way, like you have a lot of
connections and you know,because you're kind of you know,
(09:11):
working in organizations, youknow people you work with or
people you worked in the pastand you know people can refer
you, whatever.
Cheryl Fischer (09:19):
So lots of pluses, less stress.
You'd have more connections.
I like that and I thinksometimes so I do multiple
things Now, as I was just saying.
I still do some corporatetraining and sometimes I think
maybe we tell ourselves that ifwe're still doing the thing we
were previously doing, thenwe're not doing the new thing
(09:42):
well, or something like that.
There's like a message in therethat is self-sabotaging
sometimes, which I don't thinkis true at all.
Limor Bergman Gross (09:49):
Yeah, personally, I mean, I believe in
continuously learning andevolving.
So I think that for me, as longas I feel I bring value and I
enjoy what I'm doing, it's good.
If I stop enjoying or I feellike, oh, that's not something I
want to do, or maybe I'm not atmy best, then it's time to stop
(10:10):
.
And you know, cheryl, I'll tellyou another thing the more I
coach, for example, in mycoaching business, the more I
coach, the more clarity I get towho do I want to serve.
The thing is, when you start acoaching business, for example,
you serve different people andthere is this at the beginning,
like want to get as many clientsas you can, and you say, oh, I
can help everyone.
(10:30):
The thing is that I felt likeit's better to really decide who
you want to serve and whatspecific challenges they face.
So you bring your best.
Cheryl Fischer (10:42):
Yes.
Limor Bergman Gross (10:43):
I wonder if you relate to that.
Cheryl Fischer (10:45):
I really, really do, and anybody who's building
your own business right now,listen up.
I hired a coach to help merevamp the podcast this winter
and that's where a new name cameout of that and it's been going
well and I'm super happy withhow it turned out.
But the reason that I reachedout for help, well, there's two
(11:07):
reasons.
Number one I think anybody canbenefit from coaching and
coaches know that right, coacheshave coaches too.
But number two, I knew that mychallenge was exactly what
you're describing figuring outexactly who I'm talking to and
what do they need Because Iabsolutely fell into the trap of
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these are things that any womanwould like to know, and why
would I limit and not speak toeveryone?
Everyone would want to know andthat's valid, but it wasn't
working and maybe and if you'relistening right now, maybe this
makes sense to you Maybe it wasbecause if I'm just kind of
speaking into the air to anyone,no one is connecting with that.
(11:51):
And with any type of businessright.
Limor Bergman Gross (11:53):
Absolutely.
Cheryl Fischer (11:54):
Okay.
So if somebody is listening tothis and they're thinking, all
right, you're talking aboutbeing unhappy with what you're
doing and starting a businessand doing it alongside, but
they're also kind of thinking Idon't know, I have all these
little ideas, but I don't knowhow I would do any of that and I
don't know what to do next andI don't know if I have time.
(12:16):
Do you have any advice forthose type of concerns?
Limor Bergman Gross (12:19):
Yeah, those are very valid concerns.
I think there are multipleoptions.
First, you can hire a coach.
Right, you can hire a coach tohelp you refine what you want.
But if you don't want to hire acoach, that's fine too.
You can start asking yourselfwhat do I, even in your current
job, like, what do I reallyenjoy?
Your job, by the way, and yourpersonal life, because maybe
your side business will havenothing to do with your main job
(12:43):
right now.
Maybe I don't know you work intech, but you really like
gardening I.
Maybe I don't know you work intech, but you really like
gardening, I don't know and nowyou want to help people build
their own kind of garden.
I'm just making something up.
It doesn't have to be relatedto what you're doing.
So I would encourage people tokind of ask themselves what they
really enjoy doing.
Even I would do it for freebecause I really enjoy that.
(13:05):
Like, for example, for me, Istarted mentoring in 2017 and I
did it for free.
Like I just mentoredengineering leaders and I really
enjoy that.
I felt a great sense ofenjoyment and accomplishment
when I was able to help someoneand then, you know, eventually
(13:26):
that led me to coaching.
So think about, kind of, whatare your gut telling you Like,
what do you like doing?
Also, ask friends what do theysee in you, what qualities do
they see in you?
A lot of times we're not thebest judges of ourselves, right,
I mean, or maybe we don't seeeverything.
Cheryl Fischer (13:41):
Right, we're hard on ourselves.
Limor Bergman Gross (13:43):
Yes, yeah, we're hard on ourselves, so
maybe we don't see what othersmay see.
Cheryl Fischer (13:53):
True, true, true , and I like the perspective
that this can kind of be easy.
Think about it.
What do you enjoy?
You don't have to have acertification or anything like
that right away.
You don't have to be doing itfor money right away, but bring
some more of the things intoyour life that are good for you.
Limor Bergman Gross (14:08):
Absolutely, and you know, I highly
recommend volunteering.
I think that giving back reallyopens doors to opportunities.
This is what happened to me andI still give back.
Cheryl Fischer (14:20):
So, yeah, a lot of charitable organizations have
found that there aren't as manypeople volunteering, there
aren't as many people gettinginvolved.
So that's a great way to do itis find something that you're
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interested in and try Absolutely.
Limor Bergman Gross (14:46):
Yeah, and you know I am also reach out to
a lot of women.
I talk to women, so a lot oftime is just opening up yourself
, right, trying to network, tomeet new people, maybe going to
some kind of meetups, events,just mingling with people and
seeing you know what's out there, who interests you, just
(15:08):
talking with people.
You know what happened to me.
I volunteer at our local ICFchapter, okay, and I we do a lot
of events to our local chapterand I said, okay, you know what
I can.
I can offer several you knowworkshops on AI, how to use AI
for marketing, because I do thatfor my business and I really
like it.
And I did part one so far.
(15:30):
I have two more parts for that,completely for free.
I mean we charge money a littlebit just for the chapter, but
for me I mean I didn't get anybenefits, any financial benefits
from it.
And someone reached out to meand said I want to hire you to
help me.
And at first I thought I don'tknow if I even want to because
it's not my main.
But I said why not?
Maybe that will create anotherstream of know if I even want to
(15:51):
, because it's like it's not mymain.
But I said, why not Like?
Maybe that will create anotherstream of income if I want to do
it, if I like it.
So you see, I mean, when you,when you just put yourself out
there, you do different things,you help people, opportunities
start showing up, and then youhave to choose what you like and
what you don't like.
Cheryl Fischer (16:08):
Yes, and what a nice thing to be able to choose
that too.
Yeah, yes, and what a nicething to be able to choose that
too.
Yeah, yeah, there's power inthe ability to choose.
And let's say that this secondbusiness, whatever it is,
actually does become something.
Then you're listening now.
Imagine that now you get to sayyou know what?
I don't want to keep doing thething I've been doing for 30
(16:28):
years.
I want to do this new thing,and that's all.
You never know, right?
Limor Bergman Gross (16:33):
You never know.
You know, like both of us arepodcasters.
Let's say, someone reach out toyou and say, cheryl, I want to
start my podcast.
You're a pro, you're doing itfor so long, help me.
And then you'll say, well, Ican help you and you'll try and
help someone, even if it doesn't.
You know, maybe some freeadvice, maybe something paid,
(16:54):
and then you figure out, well,actually that's nice, I like
that, so you can start.
You know, another stream ofincome helping podcasters.
Cheryl Fischer (17:01):
You never know.
You're absolutely right and Ithink this is the way that
people who are sort ofentrepreneurial in nature I'm
doing air quotes think already.
But I don't know that it's theway that all of us have been
taught to think, to just kind ofbe open to these opportunities
and recognize it's definitelynot and there are potentially
(17:25):
some government jobs orsomething where you're not
supposed to be doing somethingelse.
But if that were the case, youwould know that.
You would know that when youwere hired.
And everybody else.
I mean, it's quite common to betrying out other things and I
think I just want this episodeto kind of make, if you're
listening, to make you feelempowered to just try it.
Limor Bergman Gross (17:48):
Yeah, and I think, Cheryl, you said the
right word try, you don't know.
Try different things and seewhat you like, See what works If
you don't try, you never know.
Cheryl Fischer (17:59):
And the perspective is interesting too,
because when I startedpodcasting I felt I'm curious if
you felt the same way.
I felt like, okay, here I amjust sitting here with this mic
and let's see what happens.
I didn't feel any sort ofamazing, you know business
person.
I was just sitting in my housewith a mic, but I noticed that
(18:19):
people would look at me and go,wow, you have a podcast.
Wow, it was such a perspectiveflip.
Limor Bergman Gross (18:26):
Absolutely, and I think that probably when
I started podcasting it was morethan two years ago.
At the beginning, you know Iwas okay, but we all kind of get
better over time, Like if youdo something again and again,
and again over a long period oftime, you improve, you get
better.
Cheryl Fischer (18:46):
Absolutely true, and so I read an article once
and I wish I could rememberwhere I read this that said that
a lot of times, people stay ina career or in a job or in a
situation any sort of situationthat they're not happy in
because they really, really,really don't want to be a
beginner at a new thing.
(19:06):
As adults, we don't want to bea beginner, we don't want to
make mistakes, we don't want tofeel like we don't know
everything.
But I think if we think of itas just try, just see, maybe it
takes the pressure off.
Limor Bergman Gross (19:18):
That's an interesting perspective, I think
.
First of all, about mistakes, Iwould say we always make
mistakes and, like, even ifwe're experienced, even if we do
something for 20 years mistakesas part of you know.
You know it happens.
So if we are too afraid to makemistakes, we're not going to
grow.
About being a beginner, I thinkit depends, but personally, if
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you're curious about somethingand you want to learn, why not?
I mean also, the world isevolving so much.
For example, when AI whengenerative AI, you know got out
two and a half years ago,everyone were a beginner.
Yeah, like.
I think a lot of that isrelated to like things evolve
and change and if you're notstart to learn new things and,
(20:02):
as you said, like, become abeginner at something, you will
stay behind.
Like in podcasting right,podcasting is not new, but it
was new at some point.
And if you feel like you wantto podcast, then it shouldn't
stop you that you've never donethat, you just need to learn.
Cheryl Fischer (20:17):
Absolutely agree .
Do you have any advice onpitfalls that someone might fall
into when trying to start a newthing alongside their job or
how to help them avoid the usualproblems that might come up?
Limor Bergman Gross (20:35):
I think procrastination is one.
So, because you want to startsomething on the side and maybe
you're afraid to fail, or ifyou're good enough, you may
procrastinate about it for toolong before actually starting
doing that.
For me, for example, if you'retalking about podcasting, I was
procrastinating about starting apodcast for at least a year.
(20:55):
I was thinking about it.
I want to start a podcast, Iwas talking about it, but I
didn't do it because I wasafraid.
And then you know what happened.
I met someone and she wasvisiting from the US.
She was visiting here and shetold me you know what?
I'm going to be your firstguest.
Let's do it.
I needed a push.
I needed a push and I say, yeah,let's do it.
(21:18):
So sometimes you know, when youwant to do something and you
don't do it, you procrastinateabout it.
You just need some something topush you or you need to put a
deadline.
Let's say I just take thepodcasting as an example.
You want to start a podcast?
Okay, cheryl, you're going tobe my first guest.
Let's schedule the recording,so you have already a commitment
(21:39):
.
Cheryl Fischer (21:40):
I like that.
That could apply to anything.
Limor Bergman Gross (21:42):
Yeah, and another thing I would say
perfection is the enemy ofgrowth and especially when
you're starting something outmaybe you haven't done before,
you haven't done it as abusiness then you should expect
at first maybe not be the best,or you know, you will learn a
(22:02):
lot.
Because if you are, as you said, like being afraid to make
mistakes, if you are afraid tofail, make mistakes, or you know
you're never going to do it.
So if you start something new,expect that.
Yeah, sometimes you'll notsucceed or it will not be great.
Cheryl Fischer (22:18):
That's okay, absolutely.
A mentor of mine always says beminus work, be okay with B
minus work.
You don't have to get an A.
You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine.
You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine
and I'll share another thing.
Limor Bergman Gross (22:34):
You know this is about self-perception,
right.
A lot of times we think ofourselves as we are B minus.
We're like I'm average, I'm notan expert Like with the AI
thing that happened to me like Idon't perceive myself as an AI
expert by no means.
I'm using it quite a lot.
I know a thing or two, but I'mnot an expert.
(22:54):
And you know, when I did thisworkshop, people were blowing
away oh my God, oh my God.
So they actually saw me as anexpert.
Cheryl Fischer (23:04):
That is a great point.
And I can't believe because I'ma mindset coach and that's what
this podcast is about is how wethink of ourselves.
I can't believe I neverrealized the downfall of that B
minus work saying because, yeah,we're not B minus people, but
it's okay if we put out work.
That's not perfect every singletime.
Limor Bergman Gross (23:26):
I don't.
I never strive to be perfect.
I'm not a perfectionist at all.
I never was so for me at least,it worked for my benefit.
I never try to be perfect, Ijust I think that the most
important thing is doing, keepdoing.
Cheryl Fischer (23:41):
Yeah, I agree, and and be creative.
And just to reiterate what yousaid earlier, I love the idea of
just looking in your currentjob, what do you enjoy?
Or in your life, what do youenjoy right?
I mean, naturally we helppeople, Every one of us is
helping people, naturally.
Limor Bergman Gross (24:08):
So think about.
What am I helping people with,either at the work or in my life
.
What do I like doing?
Cheryl Fischer (24:14):
I have a friend who created a whole business out
of teaching people to playMahjong, because Mahjong is very
popular now and it looks to mefrom the outside like she's
created a business that she isreally having fun with.
And it looks to me from theoutside like she's created a
business that she is reallyhaving fun with, and so more
power to her.
Limor Bergman Gross (24:31):
I think that this is one of the things I
would say.
You mentioned having fun.
If you start a business justfor the sake of making money,
it's going to be harder for you.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
It is possible.
If you're very, very kind ofyou know, diligent and kind of
force yourself to do it, you cando it.
But if you don't love it, ifyou don't like it, you don't
(24:53):
enjoy it, or most of it.
We never enjoy 100% of thethings, but if you don't enjoy
it, it will be hard for you topersist.
It will be hard for you to facedifferent challenges along the
way.
Yeah, so find something youenjoy doing.
Cheryl Fischer (25:07):
And either it ends up making money or it
doesn't, which is why we'resaying don't necessarily quit
your day job right away, right?
Limor Bergman Gross (25:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think the best way would be
to experiment and to have somesource of income, even if it's
not huge.
But then, if you have alreadyset up like, for example, I
encourage women that they coachif you have already set up like,
for example, I encourage womenthat they coach a lot of women
that they coach, you know areinterested in, you know, being a
coach as a side hustle and say,yeah, absolutely do that if you
can.
So think about it.
(25:35):
If you're building yourcoaching business and you have
even one client at a time butyou have, like, already some
testimonials, maybe you have awebsite or you put something on
LinkedIn, so you're all alreadyhave the infrastructure, you
have clients, and then, once youdecide to be a coach, then you
can start, not from zero.
You already have people who youcoach, who can be your
(25:58):
referrals, and so forth.
Cheryl Fischer (26:00):
Yeah, absolutely , and it feels better.
And taking away that level ofdesperation again, as you said
earlier, where I have to makemoney right now, where I don't
have any food, is reallyimportant, because the self talk
that gets behind that is tough.
Limor Bergman Gross (26:16):
That is tough and, yes, some people have
done that right.
I mean, a lot of entrepreneursstarted from zero.
But think about those people,what they have in common they're
usually very ambitious and theyare very, very resilient, kind
of people Like nothing is goingto stop them.
And I think that most peopleare not like that.
Most people, you know we aremore fragile.
(26:38):
We are because eventually, likeeverything is possible, right,
you can, you can start.
Some people you know had thathuge debts and they started and
they succeeded.
But wow, you have to be really,really tough to succeed.
For the average person it'sreally hard.
So if you want to set yourselfup for success, it's better not
(26:59):
to be pressured over puttingfood on the table.
Cheryl Fischer (27:03):
I love it and I love that.
That is the message of thisepisode.
Now let me ask if somebody isintrigued to find out more about
what you do or connect with you, how can they find you?
Limor Bergman Gross (27:15):
Yeah, the best way is to find me on
LinkedIn.
I think that's the best adviceI can give.
I'm trying to be active andeverything that I do is there,
and if I launch something new,it's going to be there.
Cheryl Fischer (27:27):
So perfect, and I will put that link in the show
notes as well.
So my last question for you isif someone's going to remember
one thing from this episodetoday, what would you say is the
important?
Oh, my goodness, one thing thatthey should remember.
Limor Bergman Gross (27:44):
That you have a lot of options.
I know that sometimes it feelslike we are at the end of the
road.
Everything looks grim.
Oh, I'm too old, oh, I don'tlike my job.
No one is going to hire meSeems like kind of hopeless and
like there are no.
There are so many opportunities, you just need to see them.
Cheryl Fischer (28:04):
I love it.
That is an excellent way towrap up.
Thank you so much, Limar, forjoining me.
Limor Bergman Gross (28:11):
Thank you so much, Cheryl, for having me.
Cheryl Fischer (28:15):
Okay, you heard it here.
That was an amazing OMG moment.
We just need to open ourselvesto seeing what possibilities are
out there, what new things wecould try.
And the seeing is the mindsetpiece, and I'm sure you figured
out that that's my favorite partOnce we decide to start
(28:39):
purposefully.
As Limor was saying, look forthe things we enjoy doing, look
for the things that matter to us.
Look for the things we enjoydoing.
Look for the things that matterto us.
Look for the things that feelpowerful for us.
Follow those paths, having amind that is open, meaning
brainstorming just kind of.
It's hard to even describe, butlet's say it's a beautiful day
(29:02):
outside.
You walk outside and you havethis kind of open mind to seeing
all the beautiful things thetrees, the flowers, the blue sky
, the sun.
You're taking it all in becauseyou have a core subconscious
belief that today is a beautifulday.
Let me just pull in all theevidence of that.
(29:23):
What if you had a coresubconscious belief that said I
love the idea of tryingsomething new?
Let me figure out what I loveand then you just stay open to
gather the evidence, pull it allin, pull every thread that
comes up.
You just never know what mighthappen, and that is amazing.
(29:45):
Now, we also talked aboutprocrastinating a little bit
when we're not sure we have theabsolute perfect way to do it,
and I will confess, Iprocrastinated a bit on getting
the Patreon up and running.
So right now you can come hangwith us in my Mind your Midlife
P pivot Patreon community allsummer for free.
(30:07):
Grab the link in the show notes, make sure you're there.
Aren't there 10 million ways wecan do anything, and we just
have to decide and start Now.
Also, make sure you've hit thefollow button on Mind your
Midlife podcast, because nextweek we're going to be talking
about how to be more kind toyourself, and I will tell you we
(30:30):
all need that, everybody needsa reminder.
So I will see you then and inthe meantime, oh my goodness,
let's keep creating confidenceand success, one thought at a
time.
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