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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the
Mindful in 5 Summer Zen Series,
your hub for thriving leaders.
Here we will explore actionableinsights to support resilience
and success as we navigate theunique chaos of summer, and
success as we navigate theunique chaos of summer.
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I'm Spheer Deverson, certifiedmindfulness practitioner, lawyer
and author of the Mindful in 5book series.
I believe we all deserve a bitmore balance and peace,
especially when work and lifeget a little hectic.
When work and life get a littlehectic While you're enjoying
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the sunshine and this vibrantseason, I'm excited to share
insights and practices that canhelp you integrate mindfulness,
balance, peace and a sense ofpurpose, whether summer's just
beginning or winter's at yourdoor.
Grab a comfy spot and let'sexplore these practices together
.
Elevate your work, empower yourlife, work higher, live
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stronger.
Let's go.
Do you know what today is?
What a fox?
What today is?
Well, it is my day to bevulnerable with you because I
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have a confession.
Keep listening and I will tellyou.
Today.
Our title is I have confessionand we are decoding something
powerful.
If you have recently experienceda voluntary or involuntary job
transition, there is a goodchance that your nervous system
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is processing this as a threat,a threat.
You might be feeling angry orsad or scared, like what did I
just do?
This is completely normal andbefore we go on, let's talk
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about those voluntarytransitions for a minute,
because if you have gone throughan involuntary one, you might
be thinking who is she talkingto?
I'll give you a few examples.
In the book Mindful in Five,there is a character named
Sengita who, after a lot of soulsearching, decides that she is
going to quit her job becauseshe wants to go to law school.
Everybody, I think, who's beenin college may remember a group
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of college students that, atleast when I was in college,
were called non-traditionalstudents.
These were people who had goneout into the workforce for a
while and then come back tocollege or, in my case, to law
school, to get either anotherdegree or maybe even their first
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degree.
This is not unusual and ittakes, in my opinion, courage
and huge intentionality to stopyour life in mid-career to go
back to school and do somethingeven better that you want for
the rest of your career journey.
That is an example of avoluntary transition.
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Or I have known people who havequit their jobs because they
recognize that the role thatthey were in was not right for
them, or maybe they had aterrible boss, or maybe they
just wanted a change.
I have a very brave friend wholeft a perfectly good job in a
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perfectly decent situationbecause she wanted to take time
out to think about what shewanted for her career journey.
There are lots of times whenpeople may choose to quit a job.
You may have heard during thepandemic, people were quitting
jobs left, right and centerbecause they wanted to go and
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get a different job, or maybe abetter job, or maybe a higher
paying job.
So there are many times thatpeople have voluntary
transitions from one job tomaybe just space, or from one
job to the next.
This, as I said, is completelynormal.
So, whether you have chosen toleave a job or whether your job
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disappeared, whatever yoursituation is, I am talking to
you today Because your brain'sancient wiring does not
distinguish between asaber-toothed tiger and a
severance package.
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Both can trigger the samesurvival response, and that can
be true.
Even when you made aclear-headed decision, the day
after you might be thinking ohmy gosh, what did I just do?
I mean, it made sense yesterday, but does it really?
But here's the thing this samedisruption that feels
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threatening is actually creatingthe perfect conditions for
neuroplasticity your brain'sremarkable ability to rewire
itself.
The uncertainty you areexperiencing isn't just
discomfort.
It's literally opening newneural pathways for growth and
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transformation.
Before we shift into solutionsand I invite you to come back to
next episode where we'll bediving into solutions let's
create space for what's reallyhappening inside of you.
Maybe there is anger towardsyour former employer.
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Perhaps there is disappointmentabout how things unfolded.
You may be cycling throughresentment, fear or even relief,
sometimes all the same in thesame space of a morning or an
afternoon.
Now here is the part where Igive you my confession.
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In my most recent role, I wasthe general counsel, chief of
staff and corporate secretary ofmy company.
I loved the job so much I wasliterally dreaming about my
to-do list.
I would wake up in the morningand just fight the urge to
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sprint to my desk so that Icould make time for my morning
meditation and workout In awhirlwind of great activity.
In a whirlwind of greatactivity, we launched a lot of
new initiatives, rebranded themajor corporate brands of the
organization, sold somesignificant parts of the company
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, sold some real estate, did alot of merger and acquisition
activity that ultimatelyresulted in us selling the whole
company to a publicly tradedparent that already had a law
department, so our legaldepartment in my company was
eliminated.
So, as I talk to you now, I amon a career hiatus.
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Now you might be surprised tohear that, but that is not even
the confession.
The confession is that, by theend of the day, that was my last
with the company.
That was my last with thecompany the overwhelming emotion
that I had was a sense ofrelief and freedom.
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As I said, I loved my job.
So you might be thinking well,how could this be that you're
feeling relief and freedom?
Well, I had been working crazyhours, sometimes 16-hour days,
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and I didn't even realize howheavy a weight I had been
carrying until it was lifted.
I felt like I didn't have Iwouldn't have called it
work-life balance, but I wasjuggling and I felt like I had a
reasonable amount of work-lifeharmony.
But on the first evening that mygirlfriend called to check on
me and she asked me what I wasdoing, I told her I was walking
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around the lake by the gym and Iasked her do you know why I'm
walking around the lake?
At 6 pm, melanie?
And she said no, spiwe, why areyou walking around the lake at
6 pm, melanie?
And she said, no, spiwe, whyare you walking around the lake
at 6 pm?
And I yelled because I can.
And I literally cackled withglee.
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I didn't have to run home towork until bedtime, you see, and
I just felt so free.
Look at me.
I get to walk around the lakeat 6 pm without feeling like, oh
, I have to go to work.
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And you know, to be clear, noone at my company mandated those
hours.
I drove myself that hardbecause I loved what I was doing
.
I was also surrounded with alot of other general counsel who
were working those kinds ofcrazy hours.
So we essentially reinforcedthat crazy imbalance for
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ourselves.
And now that I'm done with thatjob, my overarching emotion in
this season has been that senseof relief and just expansive
freedom.
But I'm sharing it with youbecause I want you to see and
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hear that there are lots ofdifferent ways to process a
transition in your professionallife and it's not all bad.
In the Mindful and Five bookseries, I started writing these
books because there were so manyprofessionals that I was
running into who wereencountering just dark seasons
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in their careers.
Unquote ladder was a lot morework were 16 hour days, was a
lot of travel, which soundsfancy, but what it really means
is you're probably working onthe plane, you're working in a
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different time zone, you don'thave time for your body to
adjust to said time zone.
So you land at 7 am and you arein the office at maybe 9 am in
the morning and you're going allday six hours different from
where you left and you are justexpected to navigate those kinds
of just physical stressors onyour body.
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And so I wrote the books tosuggest that there is a
different way to navigate thosekinds of challenges.
Even if your job does look likethat, even if your life in this
moment is not perfect, becauseI believe that for the most part
you know, for most of us lifeis always a little bit crooked
where you kind of say, well,it's going great, except for
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that one thing.
And that one thing could beanything.
But here is the point thingcould be anything.
But here is the point there isno right or wrong way to feel
about your situation.
This emotional complexity is nota flaw in your character.
It is your psyche processing asignificant life transition.
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Research in emotionalpsychology shows that attempting
to suppress these feelingsactually amplifies their
intensity and duration.
So right now, I am giving youexplicit permission, in fact, I
am inviting you to feel whateveryou feel without judgment.
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I like to say that mindfulnessis all about being present in
the moment, without judgment andwithout being overwhelmed by
what's happening around you.
And even in this moment.
Maybe you appreciate that, eventhough I can say that in a few
words, it can actually beincredibly challenging to do,
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especially the judgment and theoverwhelmed part.
Dr Stephen Hayes, creator ofacceptance and commitment
therapy, discovered somethingprofound the people who thrive
during life transitions are notthose who avoid difficult
emotions.
They are those who developpsychological flexibility.
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This means learning to holdboth your disappointment about
the past and your curiosityabout the future simultaneously.
Now here is the liberationblueprint that research
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validates, blueprint thatresearch validates when you are
in between professionalidentities, you have access to a
unique form of freedom yeah,freedom, I said it that most
employed people never experienceor just don't have time to
experience.
You get to experiment withdifferent versions of yourself,
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without the constraints oforganizational expectations or
role-based identity.
Now I understand that many ofyou listening to this episode
may have intentionally orunintentionally wrapped your
identity in your role.
Many committed and successfulleaders do I remember I did that
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very early in my career.
I was a lawyer.
If somebody said to me, sue,what do you do?
I'm a lawyer.
That's the first thing.
Any form of the question, whoare you?
The first thing I would say isI'm a lawyer.
And so when I made a voluntarytransition because my husband
and I moved and we left Ohio andwe moved to Iowa, and I got to
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Iowa and I didn't have a job fora while and in fact, my husband
said to me well, you know, costof living is low enough, I'm
doing well enough, you don'teven have to work.
And I tried that for a minute.
But the thing that I had notanticipated, that I found just
the hardest thing, was if Iwasn't a lawyer, what was I?
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So now, when people said, whatdo you do, I had the hardest
time coming up with an answer.
And I have had friends who havegone through the same identity
crisis when they left one roleand were really thinking about
if I'm not working in thismoment, who am I?
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This is not unusual.
It is something that manycommitted and successful leaders
experience.
The trouble with that is whenyou are obviously not doing the
job that you were attaching youridentity to it can leave you
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feeling untethered, lost,confused, like who am I now If
I'm not?
The blah, blah, blah, fill inthe blanks of your title?
We will tackle more of thattopic on another day, because I
feel like it warrants its ownentire episode, but for now,
just know that you are not alonein your struggle.
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So that is where I will leaveyou this week.
I just want you to marinate inthis idea that you can create
space for what's happeninginside of you, and also that it
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doesn't make you disloyal, itdoesn't make you weird.
It doesn't make you strange ifsome of that emotion is actually
maybe relief or joy, or delight, or anticipation, or curiosity,
or just enthusiasm andexcitement about what is in
front of you.
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And it's not weird if youexperience that, even at the
same time as you might havetimes when you feel disappointed
that things did not godifferently, or you might feel
angry even at how things wentdown.
And so just allow yourself tofeel all of those things and
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give yourself the space tonavigate all of that emotion.
I am, on most days, just reallyexcited about the space that
this grants me and what I get todo and what I get to think
about, and I'll talk more aboutwhat that looks like for me in
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the next episode.
Join me for the next episodeand let's keep this conversation
going.
My next Mindful and Five book iscalled Phoenix Rising Ignite
your Job Search, and it's allabout how you can rise from the
ashes of shock, surprise,despair, anger, all the things,
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and rise like a phoenix from theashes into the dawn and the day
of your next professionaladventure.
Click on the link at the top ofthe show notes for this episode
to pre-order your copy today.
It is all about how to navigatethe intersection of mindfulness
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, ai and traditional jobsearching capabilities, but also
how to give yourself themindful space to recover from
your last role and re-energizeyourself so that, if it feels
like you're sitting over therein ashes and sackcloth, throwing
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ashes on your head becauseyou're so in despair, how do you
rise from that like a phoenixand reignite that job search?
I believe that you canabsolutely do it and I would
love for you to have theconfidence.
Even when you don't feel sogreat, have the confidence to
know that this can happen foryou, and it is my wish that it
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does, that it does Hold thosedifferent thoughts in your heart
.
Give yourself time every morningfor five minutes.
Sit by yourself and giveyourself permission to reflect
on so, how am I feeling thismorning, how am I feeling today,
how am I feeling about my life,how am I feeling about my
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career?
And allow whatever emotion tocome.
Just Just come and don't squashit.
Don't say to yourself Ishouldn't be feeling this way.
Don't say to yourself oh, Ishould be bigger than this.
You're not bigger than anything.
Feel all the things that youneed to feel, because that will
be your fastest path throughthat season.
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If it's your dark season, thatwill allow you the freedom to
enter into a new dawn season, anew day season.
That will equip you with themindset that you need to go out
there and find your nextadventure and be successful
Until next week.
This is Be Weigh saying, bemindful and be well.
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