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Graduation season has arrived, but the excitement quickly meets reality: today's job market is crowded with both new graduates and experienced professionals released through corporate downsizing. How can anyone stand out in such a competitive landscape?
This episode tackles the frustrating experience of job seekers like Marcus Edward Webster III, who despite his business degree and technological savvy, finds himself invisible after sending hundreds of applications with little response. His story mirrors countless others who rely on volume rather than strategy in their job search.
Two mindful approaches transform this overwhelming experience into an empowering journey.
Ready to transform your job search from despair to confidence? Implement these strategies, follow the breadcrumb trail of connections, and watch opportunities unfold.
For those seeking deeper guidance, sign up for early notifications about the upcoming book "Phoenix Rising: Ignite Your Job Search," packed with AI tools and practical resources for navigating today's complex job market with peace, clarity, and purpose.
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Spiwe Jefferson (00:01):
It is graduation season, that pivotal
moment when college and graduatestudents finally emerge from
their exam trenches to celebrateyears of intellectual
investment and their hard-earnedcredentials.
Celebrate, celebrate, celebrate.
(00:24):
But wait.
What kind of job market awaits?
Not only is there thetraditional influx of new
professionals transitioning fromacademic environments to the
workplace, but we are alsoexperiencing a significant
(00:57):
market disruption, as both thefederal government and private
companies release tens ofthousands of experienced
professionals into the sametalent pool.
This topic is, candidly, nearand dear to my heart, because my
son and niece and several of myfriends' kids graduate this
year.
Parents and guardians aretrying to help their kids
navigate this challenging jobterrain.
For anyone entering thiscurrent market, whether yourself
(01:23):
or someone in your circle, theprocess of charting a successful
professional path can feel bothoverwhelming and disheartening.
How on earth do you stand outand land the role that's right
for you?
Obviously, this is a questionwith many angles, but today we
(01:47):
are going to tackle one anglehow to target, connect and stand
out To help us.
Let's take a look at thefailing efforts of Marcus Edward
Webster III.
(02:15):
Edward Webster III, marcus isbright, motivated and newly
minted, with a degree inbusiness administration with a
concentration inentrepreneurship.
In addition to thinking, hispedigree and privilege will help
him land a job.
Like many, he also believestechnology will make his job
search a breeze.
With AI-powered resume buildersand one-click applications, he
(02:40):
is convinced it's easier thanever to land a great job.
So Marcus takes the volumeapproach.
He fires off hundreds ofapplications daily, tweaking
cover letters and resumes,confident that sheer volume will
yield results.
Weeks pass, the responses arefew and far.
(03:04):
Between pass, the responses arefew and far between.
The interviews he does land gonowhere.
Marcus is left feelinginvisible and frustrated.
What is happening?
Or, more to the point, perhaps,what is not happening?
Today, our topic is target,connect and stand out.
(03:28):
Let's explore two mindfulstrategies that Marcus and you
can use to transform this kindof experience from overwhelming
to empowering, so you cannavigate the job market with
greater peace, clarity andconfidence.
And both of these things livein that singular umbrella.
(03:53):
So here we go with strategynumber one Center your search,
practice, focus over frenzy.
Instead of blanketing theinternet with applications,
marcus needed to center himselfand clarify his goals.
Research shows that targetedjob searches, where you apply to
(04:15):
roles that truly match yourskills, interests and values,
are far more effective than massapplications.
Take time to reflect what kindof work energizes you, which
companies align with your values, what roles fit your education
(04:37):
and experience.
By centering his search, marcuscould have identified a short
list of companies and positionsthat truly resonated with him.
This focused approach not onlysaves time, but also increases
the likelihood of landinginterviews with organizations
(04:59):
where he will thrive.
And because you have to keeplooking until you have an offer
that you accept, continue toiterate and look for specific
companies and roles that are agood fit for you.
One tool I recommend to jobseekers is the AI search engine
(05:20):
Perplexity, not as your only jobsearch tool, but one that can
really help shortcut yourresearch time Now.
Prompt engineering is outsidethe scope of our discussion
today, but you can ask this tool, for example, to help you
(05:41):
identify ideal job matches basedon your skills and interests.
You can even help it refinewhat your interests could be in
the kinds of roles that might bea good fit if you don't know
quite what you want to do.
Know quite what you want to do,you can ask it to help find
(06:05):
roles that are currently open inthe location and at the level
that you're looking for.
You can ask it to recommendtargeted approaches for your
search and generally use it likeyour virtual job hunting
consultant, if you will.
Job hunting consultant, if youwill.
So, related to strategy numberone, try this Pause for five
(06:31):
minutes.
List your top three careerinterests and the values that
matter most to you in theworkplace.
Use this list as your NorthStar to guide your job search.
That takes us to strategynumber two.
Cultivate connections.
Network with intention.
Marcus relied solely on onlineapplications, missing a crucial
(06:52):
element human connection.
According to recent studies, upto 80% of jobs are filled
through networking rather thanonline postings.
When I think about the rolesI've had in my career, two were
through recruiters, two throughan executive search professional
(07:15):
.
They are different recruiters,executive search professionals,
headhunters.
One was a promotion from asister company to the one I was
working for, and another jobcame from my former boss, who
hired me back something likeseven years after I left the
first time.
This is called a boomerang,where you leave a company and
(07:39):
come back, and in some companiesit's actually quite common.
All this points to the power ofhuman connection and networking
.
Don't ditch your school buddiesand former co-workers when you
leave.
Treat everybody well on yourway in, during and on your way
(08:02):
out.
If my former boss had notthought for one minute that I
had the kind of character andthe kind of work ethic that he
would have wanted back in theorganization, he would not have
invited me back.
And so think about all of thepeople you encounter,
(08:24):
potentially as part of yournetwork.
Reach out to alumni, attendindustry events and connect with
professionals on onlinenetworking platforms.
This can be far more powerfulthan yet another faceless
application, even if thatfaceless application feels safe
(08:49):
and immediate and gives you afeeling like you're getting
something done.
Instead of sending genericresumes, marcus could have
cultivated relationships, askingfor informational interviews,
seeking mentorship and lettinghis network know that he is on
(09:10):
the hunt.
This softer, more mindfulapproach opens doors that
algorithms cannot.
So I give you a challenge Ifyou are in the market this week,
reach out to three people inyour field, maybe an alum, a
(09:30):
former professor or aprofessional that you admire.
If you don't know each otherwell, they might be waiting for
you to tell them what you want,and if that's the case, you
don't want to spend half thetime or three quarters of the
time before you finally getaround to it, because they won't
hear anything you say, becausethe whole time they'll be
(09:53):
thinking what do you want?
What do you want, what do youwant?
So just start with that and beclear so that they can put
themselves in the right mindsetto help you in the way that you
need.
If you are shy about this, youcould say something like hey,
I'm connecting with people inthe field to expand my network
(10:13):
and learn about different paths.
I would be grateful for anyadvice or connections you might
have in XYZ area.
Or you could say hey, it'sgreat connecting with you.
I am currently exploring newopportunities in blah blah blah
industry or field and I'm reallyinterested in learning more
(10:35):
about your experiences atwhatever the company is,
whatever the role is.
Or you could say your careertrajectory from whatever the
entry point was to the currentposition is impressive.
And don't say that if you don'tmean it.
Say it only if you mean it andit's true for you.
(10:58):
So you start with your careertrajectory from X to X is
impressive.
I am currently exploring newprofessional opportunities after
whatever the context of yoursituation is after I graduated,
after I left my last role, afterI was let go, whatever the
(11:19):
situation is that you want toshare, and then you can ask
would you be open to sharingwhat you found most valuable
when evaluating potentialorganizations or roles?
Now, let me stop here and tellyou this Sometimes, people think
it is embarrassing to be let gofrom a job.
(11:42):
I define mindfulness as beingpresent in the moment, without
judgment and without beingoverwhelmed by what's happening
around you.
It's that judgment piece, Ifind, that we need to lean into
the most, because we make allkinds of judgments like I'm so
(12:02):
ashamed I got let go from my job.
I'm so ashamed I was downsized.
I'm so ashamed I didn't evensee this coming.
I'm so ashamed that I have beenlooking since second semester
and I still haven't found apermanent role.
I feel so embarrassed that dotdot, dot.
Fill in the blanks, right.
(12:23):
So the thing that I will tellyou, though, is that what you
may find is, in being vulnerableand willing to share what your
truth is, you will find thatthere are lots of other people
who either have been where youare or know somebody who has
been where you are, and so ifyou say, hey, lost my job, did
(12:45):
not expect it, I was let go,what you might hear is oh, I
totally know what that's like,why, two jobs ago, I got let go.
You would be surprised at howmany people have experienced
this thing.
So don't feel ashamed and don'tfeel like it's just you Now
(13:07):
notice that you are not askingfor a job directly, but you are
asking for their wisdom andexperience.
You can even ask something likeif you were in my shoes, what
are the three things you wouldsay are the most important in a
successful job search?
So if you are in a situationwhere you do have somebody who
(13:29):
says, oh yeah, I experiencedthis and this and this, you can
ask them so what were the threethings that you found most
useful when you were where I amand you will get all kinds of
wisdom that you can use.
Everyone has experiences andstories to share and most people
will be thrilled to help you ifyou ask them.
(13:51):
Be interested and listenclosely to what you learn and
apply the lessons that apply toyour situation.
At the end of each meeting, tokeep your networking going, you
can ask for two or threereferrals that you can talk to
next, so you can say somethinglike based on our conversation,
(14:15):
can you think of two to threepeople that I should talk to
next?
Or you might say, based on ourconversation, are there other
people in your network that youthink it would be helpful for me
to talk to?
Some of those people may bepeople who have job experiences
or who are in industries thatwould be of interest to you.
(14:36):
Some of them may be people whoare connected to other people,
who might know recruiters or whomight know of roles that would
be helpful.
Think of it like breadcrumbingJust keep following the
breadcrumbs until you land yournext role.
That way, especially by asking,you never run out of people to
network with, and the nextperson you talk to could be the
(15:00):
very person that you need forthat job talk to, could be the
very person that you need forthat job.
The other thing that I think ishelpful about that, too, is a
warm introduction is alwaysbetter than just coming at
somebody cold that you don'tknow, let's say on a networking
platform.
So try those two strategies.
(15:21):
So try those two strategies.
To recap, here are the twostrategies we covered today.
Strategy number one center yoursearch Practice.
Focus over frenzy.
Strategy number two cultivateconnections.
Network with intention.
Marcus's journey is a reminderthat in a crowded competitive
(15:45):
market, mindful strategies makeall the difference by centering
your search, cultivatingconnections, eliminating that
sense of judgment and perhapsshame or self-impatience or any
of the other negative things orfear or anxiety or any of those
(16:06):
things that can plague you whenyou're looking for a job.
By intentionally sitting withyourself and centering yourself
and thinking with intentionabout your search and elevating
those applications, you cantransform a daunting process
into an empowering one rooted inpeace, clarity and joyful
(16:29):
intent.
You, too, can rise from theashes of despair and soar into
your next career adventure Formore concrete strategies at the
intersection of mindfulness, aiand best practice job search
methods.
I invite you to sign up in thenotes for your early
(16:54):
notifications of the upcomingbook Phoenix Rising Ignite your
Job Search.
There you will meet MarcusEdward Webster III and his
colleagues and friends as theynavigate the job market from
(17:18):
different angles, and you willreceive a plethora of resources,
both AI tools and checklists,that you can use as you navigate
your job search.
If you found today's episodehelpful, I would love it if you
would rate it and review thepodcast to make it easier for
(17:40):
other people to find it, andcaring is sharing.
So share this episode with afriend or colleague whose job
search can use a boost.
Here's to navigating your jobsearch with peace, clarity and
confidence.
Until next week, this is BeWeigh saying be mindful and be
(18:01):
well.
James@DiscovertheVoice (18:03):
Thank you for listening to Mindful in
5.
If you enjoyed it, share itwith a friend, follow and rate
it on your favorite podcastplatform.
Pick up your signed copy of thebook and journal from
spiwejefferson.
com, or unsigned copies fromAmazon, barnes, noble or
wherever you get your books.
Visit to download samplechapters of the book, watch
(18:28):
videos and become a mindfulninja.
Join us on the LinkedIn Mindfulin 5 group and share your
thoughts.
Until next time, be mindful andbe well.
It is graduation season, that pivotal
moment when college and graduatestudents finally emerge from
their exam trenches to celebrateyears of intellectual
investment and their hard-earnedcredentials.
Celebrate, celebrate, celebrate.
(00:24):
But wait.
What kind of job market awaits?
Not only is there thetraditional influx of new
professionals transitioning fromacademic environments to the
workplace, but we are alsoexperiencing a significant
(00:57):
market disruption, as both thefederal government and private
companies release tens ofthousands of experienced
professionals into the sametalent pool.
This topic is, candidly, nearand dear to my heart, because my
son and niece and several of myfriends' kids graduate this
year.
Parents and guardians aretrying to help their kids
navigate this challenging jobterrain.
For anyone entering thiscurrent market, whether yourself
(01:23):
or someone in your circle, theprocess of charting a successful
professional path can feel bothoverwhelming and disheartening.
How on earth do you stand outand land the role that's right
for you?
Obviously, this is a questionwith many angles, but today we
(01:47):
are going to tackle one anglehow to target, connect and stand
out To help us.
Let's take a look at thefailing efforts of Marcus Edward
Webster III.
(02:15):
Edward Webster III, marcus isbright, motivated and newly
minted, with a degree inbusiness administration with a
concentration inentrepreneurship.
In addition to thinking, hispedigree and privilege will help
him land a job.
Like many, he also believestechnology will make his job
search a breeze.
With AI-powered resume buildersand one-click applications, he
(02:40):
is convinced it's easier thanever to land a great job.
So Marcus takes the volumeapproach.
He fires off hundreds ofapplications daily, tweaking
cover letters and resumes,confident that sheer volume will
yield results.
Weeks pass, the responses arefew and far.
(03:04):
Between pass, the responses arefew and far between.
The interviews he does land gonowhere.
Marcus is left feelinginvisible and frustrated.
What is happening?
Or, more to the point, perhaps,what is not happening?
Today, our topic is target,connect and stand out.
(03:28):
Let's explore two mindfulstrategies that Marcus and you
can use to transform this kindof experience from overwhelming
to empowering, so you cannavigate the job market with
greater peace, clarity andconfidence.
And both of these things livein that singular umbrella.
(03:53):
So here we go with strategynumber one Center your search,
practice, focus over frenzy.
Instead of blanketing theinternet with applications,
marcus needed to center himselfand clarify his goals.
Research shows that targetedjob searches, where you apply to
(04:15):
roles that truly match yourskills, interests and values,
are far more effective than massapplications.
Take time to reflect what kindof work energizes you, which
companies align with your values, what roles fit your education
(04:37):
and experience.
By centering his search, marcuscould have identified a short
list of companies and positionsthat truly resonated with him.
This focused approach not onlysaves time, but also increases
the likelihood of landinginterviews with organizations
(04:59):
where he will thrive.
And because you have to keeplooking until you have an offer
that you accept, continue toiterate and look for specific
companies and roles that are agood fit for you.
One tool I recommend to jobseekers is the AI search engine
(05:20):
Perplexity, not as your only jobsearch tool, but one that can
really help shortcut yourresearch time Now.
Prompt engineering is outsidethe scope of our discussion
today, but you can ask this tool, for example, to help you
(05:41):
identify ideal job matches basedon your skills and interests.
You can even help it refinewhat your interests could be in
the kinds of roles that might bea good fit if you don't know
quite what you want to do.
Know quite what you want to do,you can ask it to help find
(06:05):
roles that are currently open inthe location and at the level
that you're looking for.
You can ask it to recommendtargeted approaches for your
search and generally use it likeyour virtual job hunting
consultant, if you will.
Job hunting consultant, if youwill.
So, related to strategy numberone, try this Pause for five
(06:31):
minutes.
List your top three careerinterests and the values that
matter most to you in theworkplace.
Use this list as your NorthStar to guide your job search.
That takes us to strategynumber two.
Cultivate connections.
Network with intention.
Marcus relied solely on onlineapplications, missing a crucial
(06:52):
element human connection.
According to recent studies, upto 80% of jobs are filled
through networking rather thanonline postings.
When I think about the rolesI've had in my career, two were
through recruiters, two throughan executive search professional
(07:15):
.
They are different recruiters,executive search professionals,
headhunters.
One was a promotion from asister company to the one I was
working for, and another jobcame from my former boss, who
hired me back something likeseven years after I left the
first time.
This is called a boomerang,where you leave a company and
(07:39):
come back, and in some companiesit's actually quite common.
All this points to the power ofhuman connection and networking
.
Don't ditch your school buddiesand former co-workers when you
leave.
Treat everybody well on yourway in, during and on your way
(08:02):
out.
If my former boss had notthought for one minute that I
had the kind of character andthe kind of work ethic that he
would have wanted back in theorganization, he would not have
invited me back.
And so think about all of thepeople you encounter,
(08:24):
potentially as part of yournetwork.
Reach out to alumni, attendindustry events and connect with
professionals on onlinenetworking platforms.
This can be far more powerfulthan yet another faceless
application, even if thatfaceless application feels safe
(08:49):
and immediate and gives you afeeling like you're getting
something done.
Instead of sending genericresumes, marcus could have
cultivated relationships, askingfor informational interviews,
seeking mentorship and lettinghis network know that he is on
(09:10):
the hunt.
This softer, more mindfulapproach opens doors that
algorithms cannot.
So I give you a challenge Ifyou are in the market this week,
reach out to three people inyour field, maybe an alum, a
(09:30):
former professor or aprofessional that you admire.
If you don't know each otherwell, they might be waiting for
you to tell them what you want,and if that's the case, you
don't want to spend half thetime or three quarters of the
time before you finally getaround to it, because they won't
hear anything you say, becausethe whole time they'll be
(09:53):
thinking what do you want?
What do you want, what do youwant?
So just start with that and beclear so that they can put
themselves in the right mindsetto help you in the way that you
need.
If you are shy about this, youcould say something like hey,
I'm connecting with people inthe field to expand my network
(10:13):
and learn about different paths.
I would be grateful for anyadvice or connections you might
have in XYZ area.
Or you could say hey, it'sgreat connecting with you.
I am currently exploring newopportunities in blah blah blah
industry or field and I'm reallyinterested in learning more
(10:35):
about your experiences atwhatever the company is,
whatever the role is.
Or you could say your careertrajectory from whatever the
entry point was to the currentposition is impressive.
And don't say that if you don'tmean it.
Say it only if you mean it andit's true for you.
(10:58):
So you start with your careertrajectory from X to X is
impressive.
I am currently exploring newprofessional opportunities after
whatever the context of yoursituation is after I graduated,
after I left my last role, afterI was let go, whatever the
(11:19):
situation is that you want toshare, and then you can ask
would you be open to sharingwhat you found most valuable
when evaluating potentialorganizations or roles?
Now, let me stop here and tellyou this Sometimes, people think
it is embarrassing to be let gofrom a job.
(11:42):
I define mindfulness as beingpresent in the moment, without
judgment and without beingoverwhelmed by what's happening
around you.
It's that judgment piece, Ifind, that we need to lean into
the most, because we make allkinds of judgments like I'm so
(12:02):
ashamed I got let go from my job.
I'm so ashamed I was downsized.
I'm so ashamed I didn't evensee this coming.
I'm so ashamed that I have beenlooking since second semester
and I still haven't found apermanent role.
I feel so embarrassed that dotdot, dot.
Fill in the blanks, right.
(12:23):
So the thing that I will tellyou, though, is that what you
may find is, in being vulnerableand willing to share what your
truth is, you will find thatthere are lots of other people
who either have been where youare or know somebody who has
been where you are, and so ifyou say, hey, lost my job, did
(12:45):
not expect it, I was let go,what you might hear is oh, I
totally know what that's like,why, two jobs ago, I got let go.
You would be surprised at howmany people have experienced
this thing.
So don't feel ashamed and don'tfeel like it's just you Now
(13:07):
notice that you are not askingfor a job directly, but you are
asking for their wisdom andexperience.
You can even ask something likeif you were in my shoes, what
are the three things you wouldsay are the most important in a
successful job search?
So if you are in a situationwhere you do have somebody who
(13:29):
says, oh yeah, I experiencedthis and this and this, you can
ask them so what were the threethings that you found most
useful when you were where I amand you will get all kinds of
wisdom that you can use.
Everyone has experiences andstories to share and most people
will be thrilled to help you ifyou ask them.
(13:51):
Be interested and listenclosely to what you learn and
apply the lessons that apply toyour situation.
At the end of each meeting, tokeep your networking going, you
can ask for two or threereferrals that you can talk to
next, so you can say somethinglike based on our conversation,
(14:15):
can you think of two to threepeople that I should talk to
next?
Or you might say, based on ourconversation, are there other
people in your network that youthink it would be helpful for me
to talk to?
Some of those people may bepeople who have job experiences
or who are in industries thatwould be of interest to you.
(14:36):
Some of them may be people whoare connected to other people,
who might know recruiters or whomight know of roles that would
be helpful.
Think of it like breadcrumbingJust keep following the
breadcrumbs until you land yournext role.
That way, especially by asking,you never run out of people to
network with, and the nextperson you talk to could be the
(15:00):
very person that you need forthat job talk to, could be the
very person that you need forthat job.
The other thing that I think ishelpful about that, too, is a
warm introduction is alwaysbetter than just coming at
somebody cold that you don'tknow, let's say on a networking
platform.
So try those two strategies.
(15:21):
So try those two strategies.
To recap, here are the twostrategies we covered today.
Strategy number one center yoursearch Practice.
Focus over frenzy.
Strategy number two cultivateconnections.
Network with intention.
Marcus's journey is a reminderthat in a crowded competitive
(15:45):
market, mindful strategies makeall the difference by centering
your search, cultivatingconnections, eliminating that
sense of judgment and perhapsshame or self-impatience or any
of the other negative things orfear or anxiety or any of those
(16:06):
things that can plague you whenyou're looking for a job.
By intentionally sitting withyourself and centering yourself
and thinking with intentionabout your search and elevating
those applications, you cantransform a daunting process
into an empowering one rooted inpeace, clarity and joyful
(16:29):
intent.
You, too, can rise from theashes of despair and soar into
your next career adventure Formore concrete strategies at the
intersection of mindfulness, aiand best practice job search
methods.
I invite you to sign up in thenotes for your early
(16:54):
notifications of the upcomingbook Phoenix Rising Ignite your
Job Search.
There you will meet MarcusEdward Webster III and his
colleagues and friends as theynavigate the job market from
(17:18):
different angles, and you willreceive a plethora of resources,
both AI tools and checklists,that you can use as you navigate
your job search.
If you found today's episodehelpful, I would love it if you
would rate it and review thepodcast to make it easier for
(17:40):
other people to find it, andcaring is sharing.
So share this episode with afriend or colleague whose job
search can use a boost.
Here's to navigating your jobsearch with peace, clarity and
confidence.
Until next week, this is BeWeigh saying be mindful and be
(18:01):
well.
James@DiscovertheVoice (18:03):
Thank you for listening to Mindful in
5.
If you enjoyed it, share itwith a friend, follow and rate
it on your favorite podcastplatform.
Pick up your signed copy of thebook and journal from
spiwejefferson.
com, or unsigned copies fromAmazon, barnes, noble or
wherever you get your books.
Visit to download samplechapters of the book, watch
(18:28):
videos and become a mindfulninja.
Join us on the LinkedIn Mindfulin 5 group and share your
thoughts.
Until next time, be mindful andbe well.
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.