April 10, 2025 • 51 mins
Kayla and Taylor dive into the evolving EDM scene, discussing how festival culture is shifting toward more mindful experiences with a focus on safety, community, and genuine connections. They share personal stories of loss within the rave community and explore how these experiences have shaped their perspectives on substance use and harm reduction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody and welcome to the Mindful Mayhem
podcast.
Before we get into this episode, wherever you are listening to
us right now, we just want topreface that this is a deeper
subject that we are getting into.
We will be talking about somesubstance abuse, a little bit of
grief and loss.
So if that is not somethingthat you are feeling that is
(00:21):
matching your energy right now,we totally understand.
We don't want to bring anynegativity into your life at
this very present moment, asthis is a good episode.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But if not, we do have next week and next week's
episode we do have our firstspecial guest, so we are excited
to share with you who that willbe coming in the near future.
But we hope you still want totune in and enjoy this week's
episode.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, lots of great topics and we do flip around,
but if not, we completelyunderstand and we'll see you on
the next one.
Hello and welcome to theMindful Mayhem Podcast.
(01:07):
I'm Kayla and it's Taylor, andwe are so happy to have you here
with us.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, we are Wherever you have us.
Hello, we're in your ear.
So we've had a weekend.
The weekend was huge it'sMonday morning and Saturday and
Sunday.
We were two girls in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it is not often that me and Taylor both have
the entire weekend off yeah, andit was kind of like fun but
dangerous that we did.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
If you know, kayla and I were both.
I work only Friday, saturday,sunday right now, so literally
don't even talk to me, don'tlook at me and don't even ask,
but then we usually worktogether on Saturday nights, but
this weekend we had ourselves aweekend.
Um, can we just talk about thatlevity pop-up show yesterday?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
yeah, the levity pop-up show for Chicago was only
for the people that were at thesnow day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It was but they did allow for ticket transfers.
So those that didn't go wereable to.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
If they were able to find a ticket, yeah, but those
of you who aren't in the ChicagoEDM scene in Chicago
specifically, the reason whythey did this pop up for ticket
holders is because our one ofour chicago venues just had like
a really big moment poorexperience poor experience
happened and that's why theywere so welcoming to and
understanding.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, there was a bit of a trauma that happened
and so the show had to be cutearly and they gave everybody
the opportunity to have the showagain and, honestly, the first
show only had like 30 minutesleft and they really gave back
and let us have that two and ahalf hours set.
Yesterday, sun was shining,tank was clean.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, that was only like my second time on the
Northern Island section, butthey didn't even have it at the
pavilion area, they had it onlike a sliver of cement.
Yeah, so if you went to BeyondWonderland.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
it was where they had the Mad Hatter's Castle last
year, which was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was like this cement slab Slab I don't know I
can't wait to go to Beyond thisyear, so I can know exactly what
you're talking about I forgotthat I'm not going this year.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I forgot to tell kayla guys, it's the week I'll
be in europe.
Oh no, I know, my heart istotally my shayla which sucks,
because I had the greatest ideafor us, but like we'll save it
for next year, so I'm notletting you guys know.
I apologize, love you, but Ihave to save this for kayla and
I, but yeah so if you went to,Beyond that's where it's at.
(03:26):
It was like kind of a safe havenbecause the ground was not mush
.
But then also, when you weren'ton the slab mush, they actually
had Oris who organized it.
They also run the venue thatunfortunately, the tragedy had
happened at.
It wasn't a tragedy Everyone,I'm pretty sure, is okay, but
like the incident had happenedat and shout out to them,
(03:46):
because I guess originally theyhad this stage set up on one
side and then they flipped it.
So not only did we get thisbeautiful show, but we could see
the whole skyline City wasshining.
She was pretty and so it wasreally cool because also this
show went from one to five.
So not only were we there fullpeak daytime today, monday it
(04:09):
snowed this morning, so talkabout Chicago weather, but
yesterday it was still a littlebit on the chilled side, but it
was like a comfortable layer andyou were vibing out.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, no, it was perfect, and that gave everyone
a glimpse of what is to expectfor this festival season.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And Chicago is about to go on.
I don't care what anyone has tosay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Chicago is unmatched in the summertime.
And our music scene and justnightlife.
Okay, I won't, not ournightlife scene.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Our nightlife scene is fun because we had a little
Saturday night in it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We only say that because we used to work in the
nightlife scene and once youwork in it it's so different
than when you go out in it.
Like I have friends that arelike, oh my god, I freaking love
this club and I'm like, uh, getme the heck out of here, like I
don't want to be in the clubsanymore, because I work in the
clubs and when I'm there I feellike I'm at work.
Yeah, on saturday we did haveourselves a little night.
(05:03):
We hit the town.
We were in a bar with a big assdisco ball, which was a moment
and energy and aura in itself,but it was really cool the music
, there was fire.
We were all like it was in amovie like shout out I.
Kayla and I are like so funnybecause she has her friends
outside of, like me being herfriend.
But whenever I'm with them I'mjust just like we all just fit
(05:25):
together like the cutest littlepuzzle I've ever seen.
And so I don't go out with themall the time, but when we do,
we vibe so shout out Alexandria.
Shout out Carter, shout outXavier.
We all were jamming in the club, vibing out.
Shout out Ryan, you were thereas well, but we were really
having a good time it's the waythat you walked up.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You guys, don't you love it when your friends walk
up and are wearing and just fitthe color scheme and you're like
you didn't even have to tellthem literally, like I could not
get over it.
Like our whole squad waswearing black and denim yeah, it
was perfect, so yeah, so okay.
So with the levity thing I likestanding there, yesterday I
(06:05):
just had this like nostalgicmoment of like us, we did plan
this today.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
If you don't know, we're like those friends that
love to match.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
We're talking about matching, let alone we're
wearing the exact same thing,and of course it's Grizz, but
don't talk about it.
Like we already know, we get,we get it, we're fans, okay,
whatever um, but no, I had thislike nostalgic moment because
riley uh again shout out to her.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She was wearing this yesterday just were called to
wear it today, but and can weshout out, riley, for yesterday,
and like all those people thatwere giving away their levity
tickets for free which theyshould have been if you were
charging I don't want to talk toyou because literally it was
like a mock show, like they werejust giving it for the people
and it's so funny because, riley, we love you.
(06:49):
So, so, so, so much.
But it always just works outLike someone posted giving away
three tickets Whoever commentsfirst, like you, can have all
three.
And I commented so fast, didn'teven read the post, I was like
me.
And then I read it and I waslike I only need to please give
the others to someone else, likeI don't need the other one,
like vibing out.
And so we were able to get ourgirly pop to come with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, it was so fun.
Yeah, I just remember having amoment of turning.
Don't you just smell that?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The BO, the weed in the air.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's not even like the BO, it's just like something
like about a festival scent.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Honestly, the air was crispy yesterday.
It was just so nice.
It was like the first day, like, oh my gosh, levity boys, you
really did the damn thingbecause you guys let us have a
day and, honestly, the one tofive stretch, I'm not gonna lie,
I kind of liked it yeah, wewere all in bed, cozy and mosey,
by 9 pm uh, I wasn't in bed by9 pm, but I was definitely at
(07:55):
home, cozy and posey socks andtoesies socks, socks on the
toesies.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I didn't even mean to say socks, I meant to say my
slippers wanted that, your brainwanted it.
Yeah, don't fight it.
I'm not socks on the toesies,your brain wanted that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I just finished it for you.
That's so funny, but yeah, itwas just like a fun take and
kayla's saying the smells I'mtalking about the aura, the
energy.
Oh my gosh, if you were there.
Wow, like, can we just talkabout it?
Like, kayla's a fragrant girly.
She loves the smells of thefestivals.
Very unacquired taste.
(08:32):
It's just not even like I walkaround like sniffing things, bro
.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's like I'm literally walking like damn.
You know you, just you knowyou're at a festival.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Outdoor, like that crisp air, like damn, you know
you, just you know you're at afestival.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Outdoor like that crisp air, Like dust is flying.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Marijuana is in the air.
Nostrils black, you know.
Yeah, yeah, it does hitdifferent.
That wook fluid developing inyour sinuses is a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
For me personally, it's so funny because literally
like the energy I know I justsaid like the aura, but I like
to think that I'm one of thosepeople that can see auras not
obviously to the full like, ohmy gosh, I'm a psychic, I can
see or I can read your visions,but I feel like when people have
this energy to them, I can seeit and call me crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But yesterday, when the crowd was bouncing, the boys
were up on stage doing the damnthing, like I just saw this
glow, this electric flowhovering over everybody, and it
was just like, wow, like we'rehere, we are freaking here and
that's like the one of the mostpurest forms of happiness and
that's like as much as I get outof my, because we get so caught
(09:39):
in our day-to-day routines andthen especially coming off of,
like the seasonal depression ifyou live somewhere cold in the
winter, like the seasonaldepression hits so hard that
sometimes you forget like, wow,this is why I live.
Yeah, is these outdoor thingsbeat bops that people just don't
understand?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
and I literally once again turned to Riley and was
like imagine not listening tothis music, imagine not
attending these things andthat's the biggest thing I feel
like we always cover is wecannot help that this is the
genre that just called our name.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like this, oh my gosh , if I try to imagine like pop
culture could never I'm like nooffense to the swifties, but
that's my highlight, like or Idon't want to go to the b96
summer bash, babe I want to goto lecture no, like I do want to
go if it's the right people.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't know why I said I don't, but like hear me
out, I don't want to go to theb96 summer bash in quotes, I do
want to go.
Like ignore me, b96, if you'relistening like I would love to
come, but I want to go notshower officially for three days
and like camp out with my bestfriends and have a sleepover all
weekend long and hear ourfavorite artists.
You know what I mean.
Like it's just different, butthere's just something about
(10:52):
getting to go camping with yourbest friends for a weekend and
just going off grid, having thetime of your lives and just
being able to meet your favoriteartists.
That's another thing.
Like these people at least forElectric Forest, as we've talked
, we talked on before likemostly any festival, like they
go as well and like to walkthrough and just be like oh my
(11:12):
god, hey, hey, I was at your setearlier you did really well you
did a really good job not tooshabby 10 out of 10 let's see
again like okay, for instance,at north coast last year I love
lizay.
Well, they are on the freakingup and up.
If you have not heard messy yet, go check it out because we
know we're in our messy era likethat song, slap, crackle pop,
(11:36):
whatever.
But at north coast they werelike one of the artists I was
most excited to see and I waswalking through the crowd late
in the evening and I saw themwalk past me and I went up.
I was like, oh, my crowd latein the evening and I saw them
walk past me and I went up.
I was like, oh my god, y'allate.
And they were just so nice, sogenuine, such great people.
I was just like, wow, this isthe coolest thing ever, because
I feel like at for one, theydon't at more of those
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mainstream pop concerts for one,there's not a festival for it
typically, but to know that theartists who just like want to be
a part of it as well and wanderand be involved is really cool
yeah, I mean it's like alollapalooza and a bonnaroo.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's like yeah still, though, but the different
crowds that come, but likeyou're not about to, see chapel
roan walking around lollapalooza.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, you know like it's different.
I don't feel like the artistsreally wander like that.
There we're in the edm realm.
It's so different because,although they're these big heads
, I mean they're going to havethose crazy mega fans that are
like holy shit, you're here.
But then there's a lot ofpeople that are just like you're
, just like me, Like you're justhere for the love of the music
as well.
So I really like that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Levity did that yesterday.
They created the freaking vibesman.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They really gave us a little taste like a nibble of
summer in chicago.
The summer chicago.
I just can't get over it.
But yeah, just the festival,the, the, the plur you know,
yeah, the pl you are love.
I know pl you are r r r yeah,respect and responsibility be
responsible but yeah, just thethe crowd that it brings is just
amazing.
But I mean that being also aday show versus night show,
(13:08):
though, too.
It's like that's also differentenergy for like, what people
are bringing?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean yeah, can we talk about how?
No hate, no shade, no anythingtowards people that are getting
a little buck wild?
If you were, I honestly didn'tsee it like at the levity show.
It was like also was a Sunday,so maybe everyone was taking it
easy, taking a load off, butlike respectfully, and I feel
like it was really nice to seeeveryone kind of come together
(13:34):
and not be off the shits assomeone that's never really off
the shits anymore, like I've hadan era when I did, but like not
as much now.
No hate, no shame, no anythingto people that do, because I
have friends that love to vibeout and do their own things.
But it's like refreshing to goto a day show and have people
just there for the music andthen go home and have a nice
(13:55):
chill Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Make chicken Alfredo Literally.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like literally what?
So you did no, but Rye did.
I just can't wait for summer.
I think it developed a newrespect for me.
I mean, I've never really beenan overly big afters person.
Like every now and again I'lllike sprinkle an after party in,
but for the most part I reallylike now like going to the main
(14:20):
events and then laying low.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Okay, so yeah, you prefer like daytime.
It's kind of hard to do the dayto night switch.
That well, festivals aredifferent because the day to
night switch is just I mean youhave to and the night switch
depending on if it's like.
If it's just a normal cityfestival, it ends at 10 11
anyway, but if it's camping,you're out for the night anyway,
like I would love if otherartists took note of how this
weekend went and were able toincorporate it in more events
(14:45):
this summer.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
If we could do not full-blown pop-up like it
doesn't have to be a pop-up ifit could be, that would be
awesome.
It doesn't have to be freeeither, like everyone, get their
bag, make your money, honey.
But I would love to have thechance to do more of those just
like midday moments and thencould still have the rest of the
night to vibe yeah, I thinkthat that should be like a new
(15:09):
thing entering this like softgirl era that we're all in right
now.
Yeah, healthy girl era healthygirls and mindfully mindfully
chaotic.
Skip the gym, sure, danceinstead.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah you know, yeah, no, literally are you feel like
you're kind of like tapping intoyour like soft girl era?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
oh, I've been in my soft girl era, for sure, like I
am trying to be more in myskincare routine.
I mean definitely since Istopped drinking, and like, if
you see me drink ever, no, youdidn't.
I'm like we may have had aSaturday night.
I don't, yeah, like I don'tdrink often, but every now and
(15:50):
again I'll sprinkle it in.
Like I'm going on vacationagain next week and I might have
a my tire too, whatever, but um, yeah, I think that as I've
approached this more likemajority sober lifestyle that
I've definitely like gained moreof an appreciation for, like
the soft girlness, like takingmy makeup off before bed, like
(16:11):
wearing my matching pj set youknow what I mean.
Yeah, like just being in myclean girl, but also like you
know what?
Yeah, like I'm taking care ofme.
Now not as much like gremlin,don't get me wrong.
I love a good gremlin momentwhen I'm at like a four-day
camping fest, but like when I'mtaking care of me now, not as
much like gremlin, don't get mewrong.
I love a good gremlin momentwhen I'm at like a four day
camping fest, but like when I'mat home, no, I'm all for the
bender.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Now what if, off season, you know, it's like
you're not like in between oryou really haven't been like an
in between, or where you're likeall the time going crazy?
But there's been moments wewere having like a week or two
bender of just like yeah, likeclub, another club, another club
, another party bus, anotherclub.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
yeah but it was also nice because we, like, worked
within the nightlife communityfor a while there, so it was
like we would go out and wewould be drinking for free,
basically like we would tipdon't get me wrong, but we were
just like getting the homiehookup, so it was easy yeah but
then, like, the more you work inthat industry and then later
the nights become, the less youwant to go to them in your free
(17:11):
time.
So definitely exited that era alittle bit, but still love her,
love everybody that I metthrough it too.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
This is for you yeah, nightlife made the big switch.
Honestly, like being innightlife and having like I had
such a different situation withmy nightlife situation because,
like I was dating somebody veryin the nightlife me in my prone
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festival era, in my degeneratestate, in my I'm just here, fuck
it, we ball, like, let me justlive is like he just didn't like
it, he hated it, he didn't seeany enjoyment with the festival
culture.
He always assumed that justbecause I listened to the music
every, everywhere I was, even inthe clubs, it's like I had to
(18:01):
be on drugs or fucked up, whichwas not the case.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, and I mean same then assumed my friends were
like that too, I was like no,I'm just one of those people
that this is my energy and thisis my aura, and I apologize that
I'm a bit much at times, butlike that's just who I am and
that's just how it should.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It shouldn't be that way with the accusing, but it's
how it should be that you arethe same person.
I mean maybe a little enhanced,but you are the same person
yeah like either way, but I feellike being in nightlife like
almost brought, like a, like youguys are doing things that are
like overly fucking you up forno reason or like not doing it
(18:40):
mindfully and that was like Ifeel like more nightlife is more
like you know, the the nose,the nose drugs abuse yeah
whereas, like why are youjudging people that go to
festivals that just want to like?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
go for the music, not always for the drugs.
But I will say there is more ofthat switch switch happening
lately, like as the rave scenehas grown.
It's a shame because we've beena part of it for so long.
Don't get me wrong.
There has always been asubstance problem there, always.
But it's the matter of how farare we going to take it?
Like, are we going to keepgoing to our breaking point, to
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the edge, like, are you evencoming for the music anymore?
Like one of my biggest petpeeves, and I'm sure I was that
at one point when I was in myrave baby era.
But when I'm at a stage andsomeone looks at me and goes, oh
my God, who even is this rightnow?
And you can just tell they'reoff it, and it's like babe, this
is the headliner.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Off it.
And it's like, babe, this isthe headliner.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, what time did you get here?
Like, don't get me wrong, noteverybody means it maliciously
and like I don't mean to take itin that way by any means, but
sometimes it's just like you'renot even going to.
I think a big part of whereI've found gratitude and the
place I'm at now is knowing andremembering my whole experience
and actually appreciating whoI'm seeing and what they're
providing and the production ofeverything.
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I think the more I want to getinto the backgrounds of
everything and see how thestages are built and see how
it's developed and how thefestivals are curated, the more
I appreciate what goes into itand stand back watching it all
happen.
I'm like wow, like that that'scool, like I'm taking note of
that.
Well, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, I've always said like I want to see how a
movie is produced.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like just being in the background of all of that,
like seeing something that youlike really appreciate, like all
come together does bring thisnew sense of enjoyment to it.
But when it comes to substanceabuse within the r right now, I
think it's like hitting kind ofuh, it's a problem like the
fentanyl thing.
(20:39):
There's tiktoks going aroundthat my mom sent me because
she's only you know, she'scautious of, you know, a parent
but where I'm like get off ofsocial media because it are like
people just throwing.
They're saying that fentanyl ispopping up in marijuana, but I
texted her.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
There was a time when it was in mushrooms well, I had
a, I texted her literally.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I said well, first things first.
I said is it from a dispensaryor off the streets?
Because if people are putting,like you can't get fentanyl weed
from a dispensary, like there'sno fucking way like that's just
really hard for me to believe.
So it's like if you are buyingit from a drug dealer, okay,
let's think about this.
People who are kind of comingto this soft girl era this
healing like ooh more holisticway, like let's juice, let's do
(21:21):
our skincare, let's be our bodyof the temple.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Let's not drink.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's not drink.
Let's be California sober.
Whatever those medications andpeople like that are on these
opioids or things that they needfor anxiety or whatever
situation that it is it's like,ok, well, that drug also causes
all these other problems.
You know all the ads online.
(21:45):
It's like, oh well, this willhelp your blood pressure, but
it'll cause death and brainaneurysms Like what.
Take it your own.
It's like what?
You're allowing this stuff, butyou're you.
You know you can't even allowmarijuana to be something that
actually helps people.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now here's my theory is, like those people, that yeah
, well, marijuana kind of is nowwhen the medical cards and
stuff like that, but they don'twant.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is my theory, though, of what my mom said.
I was, like take it forsomebody that probably is
somebody that is doesn't want tobe seen in a dispensary.
It's a social thing, or it'stoo expensive or whatever, and
they can't get prescribedsomething.
They have an issue, and they'reresulting to getting whatever
easy fix that they need.
So they're going to go to thestreets OK, well, that's
(22:40):
different strains for that.
Like, if that was more broughtto the table, there wouldn't be
such an opioid epidemic, therewouldn't be such a fentanyl
thing, there wouldn't be peoplethat are dying from drug
overdoses.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
If there was, like, more of a open conversation of
healthier ways to do differentthings yeah and I just feel like
that whole it's all messed up,it's just so messed up, I agree,
and it's just like, even withthe Adderall thing, like
everybody's taking it, I feellike nowadays it doesn't even
really take that much to get it.
(23:10):
As someone with severe ADHD, Itry my best to control it
naturally, like on my ownmentality.
Even, for instance now, like aswe've started doing the podcast
, I've been telling myself likeoh, sit still, like listen, make
sure you try not to interrupt.
Like because those are allthings that my ADHD causes me to
do, naturally, on accident.
And so I could easily probablygo to a doctor and be like hey,
(23:33):
like I have this problem andthey'll see it because it's
there, and then their firstthing is going to be 60
milligrams of extended releaseand it's like 60 milligrams.
Let's probably start with fiveor something small.
But like I've had friends thatliterally they went and like
obviously it goes to apsychiatrist and like it is like
a mental evaluation, evaluation, but sometimes it's not as
(23:55):
heavy of an evaluation as itshould be, because they'll be
like oh yeah, I'm just gonnagive you like two 30s that you
take a day.
Are they good for that?
And then, next thing, you know,like, especially with like
Adderall, everybody gets soskinny and it's really unhealthy
and if you're not eatingappropriately or taking it right
, it can really mess withsomebody and make their mental
health even worse than the adhdis right, exactly, and I mean
(24:19):
they say it's a chromosome awayfrom math I mean all these
people are walking around onmath like yeah, I mean I've of
course we've all probably donetook an adderall when we need to
take.
Yeah, well, I was gonna say likeI try to avoid taking right,
like there's been so manywindows of opportunities where
I've considered going andgetting the whole psych eval
done to like get it.
(24:40):
But then I always questionmyself because it's like, do I
want to feel that way?
Like, for me personally andmaybe those that have also taken
it can also understand that itmakes me a little bit mean, like
crabby, and I don't like her,like I like when I'm more in my
bubbly fun like, don't get mewrong, we all have our days, but
I don't really like a certaincharacteristic that it brings
(25:02):
out in me.
I feel like I get veryirritable when I take Adderall
and, yeah, I do feel like I wishthat it didn't make me feel
that way, because even when Iwas taking Concerta and it was
from a doctor, like it made mekind of mean just because it was
like morphing my personality alittle bit yeah, I can, which
happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It happens to a lot of people and that's the problem
.
It's like you're sitting heredrowning a root thing with
another root thing, that youhave to take another, and now is
next thing you know, you'retaking 10 different pills yeah
and it's not even like asupplement, it's a pill.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's a drug.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That is like suppressing things where it's
like no, how about let's justlike go outside into nature and
like ground and do the thingsthat we were put on this earth
with.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I will say, a lot of people have been in their like
shroom era.
Yeah, there's been more and morepeople coming about mushrooms
that I've been like learning I'mat my job and someone will be
like haha, like I'm just onmushrooms, I'm not drinking, and
I'm like you're on mushroomsand you're here right now.
Yeah, I mean, don't get mewrong they're always like the
nicest and the vibiest and likethere's a, an energy.
(26:05):
A lot of people are like donewith drinking and doing that
instead, which is kind ofinteresting.
I don't mind it.
I think that the people thatare doing it are really really
sweet and kind and a vibe, tosay the least.
But it is crazy because thatused to not be the social norm,
I think, even in our parentsgeneration.
They kind of look at thiscurrent one and they're like
(26:25):
what do you mean?
That's what you're doing.
That's weird.
Why are you doing psychedelicsto go out where in reality it's
not?
This like overly push, like, ohmy gosh, I'm on this
psychedelic awakening, like it'sfor them, just a body high.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That, yeah, is still keeping you very alert and aware
of what's going on around you,but doesn't fully make you
intoxicated and likedisassociated, like drinking can
that's what I didn't, I neverunderstood, because drinking is
like literally suppressing youcompletely, like an altered not
even an altered state ofconsciousness how a psychedelic
(27:01):
can do but like a literal, likeyou're unconscious, you can get
to the point of unconscious.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You're just like not there.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But like I never understood and I say this all
the time I'm like where, fromthe 60s and 70s till now, like
what the hell Mindset shift?
Because it's all of thosepeople that came out from those
eras that then raised the peoplethat raise us, and it's like,
(27:27):
well, why are like, why are wedown on so much, the disconnect,
down on so much?
But because of this whole newwave of mental health, like I
feel like obviously, after thepandemic and then whatever the
hell last year was, like 2024was fucked up for a lot of
people.
Yeah, like we feel you out there, but there was this new, fresh
(27:48):
energy of like okay, you know,like it's okay to feel my
emotions, it's okay to bevulnerable, it's okay to give
somebody a hug without feelingawkward about it it's okay to
like extend that open arm toothers and like maybe look into
some holistic ways of healingmyself and not just succumbing
(28:09):
to everything that's shoved downour throats yeah, I agree,
agree but yeah, that also justgoes for everybody in general.
Like I don't know, how do youfeel like?
Do you feel like people arecoming out of like their little
shells and wanting to be morevulnerable?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I feel like overall within the new generation, there
is just like a different lightthat everyone's kind of shining
onto the world.
More of a natural beauty isprettier than overly glammed and
it's okay to do naturalsubstances rather than ones that
are toxic and man-made.
You know, like there is just anew light and a new perspective
(28:45):
that's been entering the worldfor a while now and I personally
don't mind it.
I'm not a hater.
I think that there is.
It's okay to change and eventhough it's scary, it can bring
a lot of cool new opportunity.
And especially with the whole Imean mushroom subject, it's
kind of refreshing hearingpeople talk about their
(29:06):
experiences with that.
Rather than drinking, I mean,yes, occasionally I'll have a
cocktail, like I said, but I'mreally not one that does that
and honestly I'm sober a lot,like I go out to concerts and
I'll just have water the wholetime, like occasionally, a
dibble dabble or whatever.
But it's just like it'srefreshing to know that people
(29:28):
are not requiring themselves toget to a level of disassociation
in order to have fun yeah likeit's okay to remember your
experience, it's okay to live inthe now, it's okay to look at
your friends and just like belike appreciative of them being
there, without it being sloppy,because it's also scary, like
the whole fentanyl thing, it'salso just scary to like do
anything because people aredying from it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
People are dying from it.
We witnessed a couple differentthings that have happened like.
We witnessed almost someoneODing at a show just not too
long ago.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, like a year ago , and it's scary, like I think
that everybody should know howto administer Narcan.
That is my biggest, biggest,biggest takeaway from this whole
episode.
If there's anything that ourlisteners I mean other than,
like my parents, that probablywon't ever be at a concert where
this is natural for you, butlike for those that genuinely go
(30:19):
to raves and go to concertsplease, please, please, find a
way to learn to administer it.
It is an easy class, not even aclass like I went to the end
overdose event and had themteach me.
I don't never used it, but Iknow how to do it.
Because in today's generation,it's just scary how many people
are affected by these things.
(30:39):
Like I hear these stories onTikTok and through other social
media platforms of people thatare really losing their friends
and important people in theirlives due to the drug problem
that there is right now withinour community, and so I just
think it's really important thateverybody knows how to take the
steps to prevent it, becauseeven if there is an opportunity
like, say, someone is going downand you're the only one that
(31:02):
knows how to do it, like giveyourself that pat on the back
for being the one that can savethem, rather than being the one
that doesn't know what's goingon and I don't know if you guys
tuned into this laps episodethat we did, but I had asked
taylor like worst and bestfestival moments, and we did
bring up um and start to bringup this the conversation of like
right and wrong ways to do themand um, also just really quick
(31:24):
too.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We've been just so excited to have this platform,
um, because we've been luckyenough to be a part of this
community and be so welcomedwithin it and know and be around
and have experienced loss andgrief around substances, and the
purpose of this show is to notonly talk about the fun
(31:46):
festivals that are going on butto also touch on this subject,
because I feel like it's such agray area that's overlooked
where it's like it's either oneextreme to the other and there's
not like a okay, like you'llmeet.
You'll meet people where it'slike, oh, it's just like the
peace, love, unity, respect.
You give a candy, you, you knowyou sprout them or whatever.
But then, like you'll meet orI'll have conversations and meet
(32:07):
random people that like now Iknow, like why they're here.
I'm like you came all the wayfrom where by yourself, or you
just lost your job and youscraped the last three hundred
dollars you have and you havezero now to come here.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, like you meet those kinds of people that just
have like these stories, thatare just like drawn to you, but
also like that are almost likeliving in these moments for
someone else because they lostsomeone yeah, I mean Kayla and I
both personally haveexperienced our own losses
through friends, through reallyimportant people that we've had
the opportunities of knowing inthis life, and I think that, to
(32:43):
kind of give an overall branchon what our Mindful Mayhem
Project is, it's to shareknowledge and share community
and be a community and justoverall give people the
opportunity to know that they,you, can go, have fun and be
crazy, but that this is a safespace for you to share your
story, share your tales, butthen also learn and be aware of
(33:06):
what you can do to prevent.
And I think a big part of ourproject is to touch on the scary
stuff hammer in the nail whenit comes to having fun, but
mindfully, you know.
And so not only do we want toeventually interview your
favorite artists and share theirstories, but we want to share
our own, and this is a part ofour story.
(33:27):
Is the people we've lostputting us in the position to
now give a voice that they don'thave anymore?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I in the position to now give a voice that they don't
have anymore.
I, in the year of 2018 alone,there was like seven people back
to back, and then in 2019,another one of our friends right
after that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And it's also about where we're from.
Kayla and I came from verysimilar backgrounds.
I feel like we grew up prettysimilarly.
When it comes to like, honestly, our how we were in high school
, granted, like your pathchanged a little bit, but like
the difference between I don'tknow if everybody can relate but
like in my high school peoplewere kind of like dabbling, I
(34:07):
don't know I keep saying dabble,keep.
People are kind of sprinklingin some substance use within
certain groups and ours weredifferent.
Yours was very much downeropioid and mine was like uppers,
like people doing like damnnear crack, which is scary.
Neither should have been done.
Let's just acknowledge thatLike none of that is necessary,
(34:29):
especially at such a young age.
It's kind of scary that it wasso normal, but it's definitely
crazy the difference betweenwhat each of our communities was
doing, but like how similar weare now and how it brought us
together well how me and Tayloreven know each other, just like
the little backstory of us,because we never even explained.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
But our ex-boyfriends were friends.
We were never in the samefriend group by any means.
But I like just knew who shewas and she knew who I was
because of that.
But my ex-boyfriend at the time, he is the one that introduced
me to this life he introduced meto.
He was the first person I smokedweed with.
I lost my virginity too.
I like literally did my firstdrug with first festival all of
(35:12):
it, and that's why I have a suchlike.
I'm healed.
I by no means like for anybodythat I date next.
She's okay, I'm fine, this isalso a long time ago, a very
long time ago, but it set themood for who I am today and
that's something that'simportant and what's a part of
me and who I am in the ravecommunity as well.
And, like what he hasintroduced me to and he
(35:35):
unfortunately did pass in theyear of 2018 he was one of the
uh like second or third oneactually in the group that year
and then, unfortunately, twomonths later than his brother,
passed too, um, which now thesewere different situations to
where it wasn't I.
I personally think now, afterreflecting and grieving about it
(35:55):
, it was intentional and thatbrings a different heaviness to
it, because that's a wholedifferent subject.
When you just don't feel likethat's also to the extent of
Some people just aren't meant tolive long.
And that's just the stamp thatthey put on In that sense, and
it always is those people thatdo have that great electric,
(36:16):
electric personality.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That are the ones that, it seems, are
unfortunately gone too soon.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, oh my god.
Yeah, anybody that knew himlike just knows.
But some people do look at himlike we were the druggies in
high school you know, like thepeople that I hung out with in
high school were not the peoplelike I by no means was the
popular one and I by no meanswas the loser either, but like I
more so kind of fit into theloser category, but at the same
time I was also an athlete too,so it was like this athlete that
(36:43):
like didn't carry on with herathletics afterwards.
It was just like I had twodifferent black and white
personalities but, for one,being at the age that I was and
not even being able to process,like how someone is using pills
against you.
It's like I didn't even knowwhat a Xanax was or an opioid or
anything like, and people aremy boyfriends just taking them
(37:06):
just left and right, and thatwas just the normal.
But going into like now andinto, like this more mature side
of raving, it's just like Iwish I could have stopped it.
In a way, I wish I would havebeen more in tune with what it,
but also you can't.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Everything happens for a reason and it's so shitty
to say that, especially when itregards to loss.
But I am a firm believer thatalthough it hurts so bad, like
some of those things are justlike it's a part of their story,
like they are one of the goodones that had to go early
because the world was too cruelfor them in a sense like I know
with his case in particular likeit's kind of a question on if
(37:44):
it was like self-inflicted ornot and like with things like
that it's like their personalchoice.
I mean with my person that Ilost, it was like it was very
interesting because it came offas like also self-inflicted in a
sense, like no one knew it hadhappened really, or like that
what they were fightinginternally on their own, which
(38:07):
kind of sucks.
But I really do believe thatlike the good do die young, and
especially when it's someonethat kind of carries the light
within a community, like myfriend that had passed, it's
like when he was gone all of asudden, like our friend group
wasn't really the same withouthim and so everybody kind of
went their own ways and don't bewrong.
I still love them all so muchand I'm appreciative to have the
(38:29):
memories I do with them, but Ifeel like he brought a different
light to our group and we kindof needed it to keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about also just
like pulling.
Oh my gosh, you guys I totallyforgot.
I have like a gift, not to likecompletely switch it up, but
the whole purpose of thisepisode that I totally forgot
about.
I have a gift for Taylor rightnow.
One second, what the heck, whatthe hell.
All right, this is notsponsored by Target, but we have
a Target bag.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Ignore the bag.
Stop Nothing here does that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hold on, I have another one.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Okay, a little cheers for the people.
Oh, oh oh, stop, cute right.
I'm obsessed.
These are so cute.
Okay, so for those that arejust listening, kayla just
pulled out two super cutesygirly pop mugs.
Well, like, not girly pop,purple is for whoever loves it,
but one is iridescent and itsays trust the process.
(39:24):
And then the other one ischeckered and white.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
White and purple.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And purple.
I don't know why I hesitated,but cute.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yes, the whole purpose of this was in the trust
, the process thing, and I thinkthat this is a really good
moment to bring it in because,honestly, like I feel like after
Taylor's giving a view of mylegs on the cam but yeah, I mean
like the the theme of liferight now in general is like
(39:52):
trust the process.
And like by no means is likegrief, like, oh, you just need
to trust the process as to whyyou like lost this person, but
at the same time it kind of isfind the understanding life is
just it's not fair in general,and like, if you can see the
light out of them, out of thethings that do happen, um, that
(40:13):
is like the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, I agree and it is like to kind of table off of
the trust, the process stuff,like we really are in our era of
doing that.
I think I mean me personally.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I feel like I'm trying I want to come back to
that.
I actually have a question foryou to give them.
But just to finish off, kind ofwhat we were saying really
quick is we're by no meanscondoning substance use or
hating those that are doing so.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
like it is your life, live your truth, do what you
want to do, but we want to makesure that this is a safe space
for those that need someone totalk to.
Or maybe you're going throughsomething and you just don't
feel like you have a place, likethis is your community and this
is your space of safety andunderstanding and just overall,
we get it.
We've been there, we've donethat.
(40:59):
We also have friends that arein it.
Still, this is a judge-freezone.
So if you see us out and you'relike, wow, I can relate to you
so much and I love listening toyou and I want to hear from you,
we're here.
Dms are open.
If you see us in public, say hi,talk to us but yeah, this is
like a safe space for those thatfeel like they don't fit in or
(41:21):
that you do fit in, and it'sjust.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I always say it's the community for those that need
one and I stretch that acrossall of my my things and that's
it's the live and let liveprocess, it's the stretch your
hand out.
The community, it's the plur,like let's all spread it and
like be there for one anotherand connect, but with, like,
(41:46):
going through the grief of thedrug thing and being around them
and still using them, still,though, too, like there's no
guilt behind them if you stillwant to use them.
There's also that's also kindof like what I wanted to touch,
because I had a friend thatalmost, like had no choice but
to like cut them completely outbecause of everything that we
went through, and that'sperfectly great.
(42:07):
Now, in a way, like I sometimeslike how, going back to the
whole, there's a right and wrongway to do mushrooms or a
psychedelic.
It's like in those ways of youknow, being treated and using
them to heal and being in theright mindset and coming out of
it as, like you know what, I ama better person now I actually
can.
I'm coming with um like closureafter that or like now I know
(42:29):
that they're at peace and thingsare fine.
That's like the mindful way.
That is the mindful way of doingand being in, like in just the
community, or being the personlike that just, and you don't
even have to be in the edm ravescene to like do that too,
because, like we said, we see itso much now with people just in
our day-to-day on the street,going in the nightclubs and
(42:51):
everything, are just sitting atthe park, you know, and now that
we are stepping into thesummertime and whatever, like
purely, purely, purely, with mywhole heart, shed the message
that there are different ways toheal.
Yeah, there are different waysto learn about yourself and
there's different ways to bethere for other people.
(43:12):
It's just, sometimes you needto just allow yourself to get
there and be vulnerable and likelet yourself go cry.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, like it's okay.
It's okay to cry too.
Yeah, I don't know why thatmade me feel like I needed to
say that so random.
I'm quiet for so long.
It's okay to cry, but it isalso, yeah, like if that's part
of your healing, then it is um.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So what do you feel like in your life right now?
Is something that you want totrust the process more in, or
like want to give advice tosomebody that is feeling like
they can't get themselves totrust the process?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
so I feel like, for me personally, um, my trust, the
process moment right now is I'ma little bit older, like I'm 27
.
I was still in college.
Because I've been dragging itout, because it just it doesn't
feel like me.
You know, some people are madefor that.
I've just never felt likethat's my path, even though
(44:11):
that's like the social standard,even though that's like the
social standard.
More recently, since diving intothe rave culture of the
backgrounds of things and givingmyself the opportunity to do
more rave fashion content andfall in love with a different
part of this community, I tookit upon myself to take a
semester off of school and Idedicated to content creation
and I want to be a contentcreator.
(44:32):
I think that that is my purposeand my being and I just I love
it.
Like I love being able to talkto people.
I love that.
I've had it happen already,like that someone has recognized
me and it was really coolbecause we were able to talk on
this personal level and it waslike, oh my gosh, like I felt
purpose in what I was doing,having that happen.
And so I took it upon myself tostop doing school and give
(44:58):
myself a goal that if by the endof summer I can really grow and
evolve as a person and see thechange that I hope for myself
and do something that I love asmy career, then I'm going to put
myself out there and do it Now.
If that doesn't work out, I dohave a backup plan.
But this is my trusted processright now is believing in myself
, believing that I can docontent creation full time and
maybe it won't always be therave niche like I love it right
(45:20):
now.
It is really such a core partof who I am.
But I do have this life outsideof it that's really fun and
cool and exciting and that Iwould love to dip my toes in the
more comfortable I get talkingon camera in more of selfie mode
than a podcast.
But I really really want totrust my process with evolving
into the person I feel that I'mmeant to be and allowing myself
to shoot my shot at doing what Ilove and making it a career.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
What's yours?
Oh, mine, well, as you know, Idon't know.
I feel like right now mine'smore of like a calling.
I feel like my trust.
My process is just making surethat I'm confident in what my
process is.
I suppose because in the pastcouple months I've just in the
(46:08):
past year I have dealt withquite an emotional pull on my
entire life, just with my homesituation, my family situation
and then just me, um, being asingle pringle for the past
almost two years now, likethat's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's already been that long Iknow I've been just a single
pringle walking that's okay.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I think that it's been good it's developed me into
like literally the greatestversion of yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
So, like when you ask me what's something that I am
trusting in the process, like Ialready, I listen to Jesus
Christ, I listen to the universe, I listen to literal every sign
that I'm the most spirituallyconnected.
You know, in my own being, youknow, but I guess my, my purpose
now and what I've been calledto do and I feel like sometimes
(46:56):
I'm kind of annoying to talk tobecause it's the only thing I
can say is like what are yougoing through?
Oh well, why don't we just likeyou know, like just let it
happen?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
you know, but but like go with the flow but like
if you knew me five years ago.
I can't, I was not yeah, theflow Kayla is very much.
I want to give her majorcredits to her flow and it going
, because it used to be verylike I'm pretty go with the flow
, like I like to have astructured plan, but it's like
whatever happens happens LikeI've learned to not always be
(47:26):
able to control what's happeningaround me or what's going on
when Kayla is very, I think themom and her is like we need to
have a plan, we need to knowwhat's happening next, like I
need to have the structure andmore recently you've definitely
let go and been like you knowwhat.
I'm just going to trust theprocess and let it happen the
way it's supposed to and knowthat I can't always have control
of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And it's been freaking so good Like I've never
been more peace at peace, likein my own mind, and I think that
now my message and like mycalling is just to like spread
that and inform other peopleabout it, like you, and show
people how they can do my otherfriends and like show them just
(48:08):
like hey, like let's breathe,and even in my daughter, like I
feel like it's showing, like now, and just like being more open
and allowing her to feel in herfeelings.
But sometimes that gets me introuble.
But we're all opening up to newopportunities and new ways, but
only when we allow life tohappen how it goes, because if
not, and you are taking too muchof the control, like yeah, okay
(48:30):
, it might go your way for alittle bit, but either way, one
way or another, life is going tofigure out a way to rip you
from it if it's not meant foryou.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, I also do think like heavy emphasis on the fact
that, yes, there's a lot ofthings that we can control, but
I kind of am becoming more of abeliever that our paths are sort
of made already and how theydevelop is there are some things
that we can change and shift inlike full 180, but some of it's
just meant to happen the way itis and, although it may seem
(48:59):
like the big inconveniences andstuff like that in the moment,
like there really are momentsthat you just got to accept
what's going on and it's okay toaccept it, it's okay to be
scared of it, it's okay to beoverly excited about it, like
it's okay to just let it happenyeah, should we end off on that
beautiful note right there?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I love that note.
Should we cheers with ournon-filled cups?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
on the mic.
I'm sorry sorry.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Bless you on the freaking, okay on the frig.
First of all, thank you guys,so much for tuning in to Mindful
Mayhem.
Before we let off, we want totoast.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Who wants to lead the ?
Speaker 1 (49:42):
toast today, half and half.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I want to cheers to you, our listeners, to you,
kayla, and to me, because wereally are in this evolutionary
stage in our lives that you guysare trusting us with this
project and giving us a voice,which is freaking sick, but then
also like we're puttingourselves out there and stepping
out of our comfort zones tomake our dreams come true.
(50:07):
So cheers to that and yourscheers.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I feel like it's bad luck to not have anything in
here.
It's okay, okay.
No, it's not erase the juju.
Um, yes.
Cheers to going into the restof this year as a more at peace
version of ourselves, withallowing things to go through.
And cheersing to, yes, those ofyou who are capable of listening
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to us because we are anacquired taste, and we love each
other just as much as we loveyou guys that love us, and vice
versa.
It's all a big love, and we'recheersing to more people coming
and joining our community, andthis is a community for those
who need one, and that's exactlywhat we opened it up for.
And yeah, you said it prettygood, so I have nothing else to
(51:02):
say.
Cheers to all of that.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
And, on a final note, I do want to say a big shout
out to Levity and them forcreating such a great energy
this weekend.
I hope you guys lead the packon what is next to come for the
community, because that wasreally freaking cool.
And this weekend, I hope youguys lead the pack on what is
next to come for the community,because that was really freaking
cool, and I hope more artistsdo similar things as well.
So thanks to everybody thatcame.
Thank you all for tuning in.
This was this week's episode ofmindful mayhem.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
We'll see you later.
Toodles, I love me a man in ahoodie and some painted nails.
Okay, end scene.
Hi everybody and welcome to the Mindful Mayhem
podcast.
Before we get into this episode, wherever you are listening to
us right now, we just want topreface that this is a deeper
subject that we are getting into.
We will be talking about somesubstance abuse, a little bit of
grief and loss.
So if that is not somethingthat you are feeling that is
(00:21):
matching your energy right now,we totally understand.
We don't want to bring anynegativity into your life at
this very present moment, asthis is a good episode.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But if not, we do have next week and next week's
episode we do have our firstspecial guest, so we are excited
to share with you who that willbe coming in the near future.
But we hope you still want totune in and enjoy this week's
episode.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, lots of great topics and we do flip around,
but if not, we completelyunderstand and we'll see you on
the next one.
Hello and welcome to theMindful Mayhem Podcast.
(01:07):
I'm Kayla and it's Taylor, andwe are so happy to have you here
with us.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, we are Wherever you have us.
Hello, we're in your ear.
So we've had a weekend.
The weekend was huge it'sMonday morning and Saturday and
Sunday.
We were two girls in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it is not often that me and Taylor both have
the entire weekend off yeah, andit was kind of like fun but
dangerous that we did.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
If you know, kayla and I were both.
I work only Friday, saturday,sunday right now, so literally
don't even talk to me, don'tlook at me and don't even ask,
but then we usually worktogether on Saturday nights, but
this weekend we had ourselves aweekend.
Um, can we just talk about thatlevity pop-up show yesterday?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
yeah, the levity pop-up show for Chicago was only
for the people that were at thesnow day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It was but they did allow for ticket transfers.
So those that didn't go wereable to.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
If they were able to find a ticket, yeah, but those
of you who aren't in the ChicagoEDM scene in Chicago
specifically, the reason whythey did this pop up for ticket
holders is because our one ofour chicago venues just had like
a really big moment poorexperience poor experience
happened and that's why theywere so welcoming to and
understanding.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, there was a bit of a trauma that happened
and so the show had to be cutearly and they gave everybody
the opportunity to have the showagain and, honestly, the first
show only had like 30 minutesleft and they really gave back
and let us have that two and ahalf hours set.
Yesterday, sun was shining,tank was clean.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, that was only like my second time on the
Northern Island section, butthey didn't even have it at the
pavilion area, they had it onlike a sliver of cement.
Yeah, so if you went to BeyondWonderland.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
it was where they had the Mad Hatter's Castle last
year, which was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was like this cement slab Slab I don't know I
can't wait to go to Beyond thisyear, so I can know exactly what
you're talking about I forgotthat I'm not going this year.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I forgot to tell kayla guys, it's the week I'll
be in europe.
Oh no, I know, my heart istotally my shayla which sucks,
because I had the greatest ideafor us, but like we'll save it
for next year, so I'm notletting you guys know.
I apologize, love you, but Ihave to save this for kayla and
I, but yeah so if you went to,Beyond that's where it's at.
(03:26):
It was like kind of a safe havenbecause the ground was not mush
.
But then also, when you weren'ton the slab mush, they actually
had Oris who organized it.
They also run the venue thatunfortunately, the tragedy had
happened at.
It wasn't a tragedy Everyone,I'm pretty sure, is okay, but
like the incident had happenedat and shout out to them,
(03:46):
because I guess originally theyhad this stage set up on one
side and then they flipped it.
So not only did we get thisbeautiful show, but we could see
the whole skyline City wasshining.
She was pretty and so it wasreally cool because also this
show went from one to five.
So not only were we there fullpeak daytime today, monday it
(04:09):
snowed this morning, so talkabout Chicago weather, but
yesterday it was still a littlebit on the chilled side, but it
was like a comfortable layer andyou were vibing out.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, no, it was perfect, and that gave everyone
a glimpse of what is to expectfor this festival season.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And Chicago is about to go on.
I don't care what anyone has tosay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Chicago is unmatched in the summertime.
And our music scene and justnightlife.
Okay, I won't, not ournightlife scene.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Our nightlife scene is fun because we had a little
Saturday night in it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We only say that because we used to work in the
nightlife scene and once youwork in it it's so different
than when you go out in it.
Like I have friends that arelike, oh my god, I freaking love
this club and I'm like, uh, getme the heck out of here, like I
don't want to be in the clubsanymore, because I work in the
clubs and when I'm there I feellike I'm at work.
Yeah, on saturday we did haveourselves a little night.
(05:03):
We hit the town.
We were in a bar with a big assdisco ball, which was a moment
and energy and aura in itself,but it was really cool the music
, there was fire.
We were all like it was in amovie like shout out I.
Kayla and I are like so funnybecause she has her friends
outside of, like me being herfriend.
But whenever I'm with them I'mjust just like we all just fit
(05:25):
together like the cutest littlepuzzle I've ever seen.
And so I don't go out with themall the time, but when we do,
we vibe so shout out Alexandria.
Shout out Carter, shout outXavier.
We all were jamming in the club, vibing out.
Shout out Ryan, you were thereas well, but we were really
having a good time it's the waythat you walked up.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You guys, don't you love it when your friends walk
up and are wearing and just fitthe color scheme and you're like
you didn't even have to tellthem literally, like I could not
get over it.
Like our whole squad waswearing black and denim yeah, it
was perfect, so yeah, so okay.
So with the levity thing I likestanding there, yesterday I
(06:05):
just had this like nostalgicmoment of like us, we did plan
this today.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
If you don't know, we're like those friends that
love to match.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
We're talking about matching, let alone we're
wearing the exact same thing,and of course it's Grizz, but
don't talk about it.
Like we already know, we get,we get it, we're fans, okay,
whatever um, but no, I had thislike nostalgic moment because
riley uh again shout out to her.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She was wearing this yesterday just were called to
wear it today, but and can weshout out, riley, for yesterday,
and like all those people thatwere giving away their levity
tickets for free which theyshould have been if you were
charging I don't want to talk toyou because literally it was
like a mock show, like they werejust giving it for the people
and it's so funny because, riley, we love you.
(06:49):
So, so, so, so much.
But it always just works outLike someone posted giving away
three tickets Whoever commentsfirst, like you, can have all
three.
And I commented so fast, didn'teven read the post, I was like
me.
And then I read it and I waslike I only need to please give
the others to someone else, likeI don't need the other one,
like vibing out.
And so we were able to get ourgirly pop to come with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, it was so fun.
Yeah, I just remember having amoment of turning.
Don't you just smell that?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The BO, the weed in the air.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's not even like the BO, it's just like something
like about a festival scent.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Honestly, the air was crispy yesterday.
It was just so nice.
It was like the first day, like, oh my gosh, levity boys, you
really did the damn thingbecause you guys let us have a
day and, honestly, the one tofive stretch, I'm not gonna lie,
I kind of liked it yeah, wewere all in bed, cozy and mosey,
by 9 pm uh, I wasn't in bed by9 pm, but I was definitely at
(07:55):
home, cozy and posey socks andtoesies socks, socks on the
toesies.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I didn't even mean to say socks, I meant to say my
slippers wanted that, your brainwanted it.
Yeah, don't fight it.
I'm not socks on the toesies,your brain wanted that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I just finished it for you.
That's so funny, but yeah, itwas just like a fun take and
kayla's saying the smells I'mtalking about the aura, the
energy.
Oh my gosh, if you were there.
Wow, like, can we just talkabout it?
Like, kayla's a fragrant girly.
She loves the smells of thefestivals.
Very unacquired taste.
(08:32):
It's just not even like I walkaround like sniffing things, bro
.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's like I'm literally walking like damn.
You know you, just you knowyou're at a festival.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Outdoor, like that crisp air, like damn, you know
you, just you know you're at afestival.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Outdoor like that crisp air, Like dust is flying.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Marijuana is in the air.
Nostrils black, you know.
Yeah, yeah, it does hitdifferent.
That wook fluid developing inyour sinuses is a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
For me personally, it's so funny because literally
like the energy I know I justsaid like the aura, but I like
to think that I'm one of thosepeople that can see auras not
obviously to the full like, ohmy gosh, I'm a psychic, I can
see or I can read your visions,but I feel like when people have
this energy to them, I can seeit and call me crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But yesterday, when the crowd was bouncing, the boys
were up on stage doing the damnthing, like I just saw this
glow, this electric flowhovering over everybody, and it
was just like, wow, like we'rehere, we are freaking here and
that's like the one of the mostpurest forms of happiness and
that's like as much as I get outof my, because we get so caught
(09:39):
in our day-to-day routines andthen especially coming off of,
like the seasonal depression ifyou live somewhere cold in the
winter, like the seasonaldepression hits so hard that
sometimes you forget like, wow,this is why I live.
Yeah, is these outdoor thingsbeat bops that people just don't
understand?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
and I literally once again turned to Riley and was
like imagine not listening tothis music, imagine not
attending these things andthat's the biggest thing I feel
like we always cover is wecannot help that this is the
genre that just called our name.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like this, oh my gosh , if I try to imagine like pop
culture could never I'm like nooffense to the swifties, but
that's my highlight, like or Idon't want to go to the b96
summer bash, babe I want to goto lecture no, like I do want to
go if it's the right people.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't know why I said I don't, but like hear me
out, I don't want to go to theb96 summer bash in quotes, I do
want to go.
Like ignore me, b96, if you'relistening like I would love to
come, but I want to go notshower officially for three days
and like camp out with my bestfriends and have a sleepover all
weekend long and hear ourfavorite artists.
You know what I mean.
Like it's just different, butthere's just something about
(10:52):
getting to go camping with yourbest friends for a weekend and
just going off grid, having thetime of your lives and just
being able to meet your favoriteartists.
That's another thing.
Like these people at least forElectric Forest, as we've talked
, we talked on before likemostly any festival, like they
go as well and like to walkthrough and just be like oh my
(11:12):
god, hey, hey, I was at your setearlier you did really well you
did a really good job not tooshabby 10 out of 10 let's see
again like okay, for instance,at north coast last year I love
lizay.
Well, they are on the freakingup and up.
If you have not heard messy yet, go check it out because we
know we're in our messy era likethat song, slap, crackle pop,
(11:36):
whatever.
But at north coast they werelike one of the artists I was
most excited to see and I waswalking through the crowd late
in the evening and I saw themwalk past me and I went up.
I was like, oh, my crowd latein the evening and I saw them
walk past me and I went up.
I was like, oh my god, y'allate.
And they were just so nice, sogenuine, such great people.
I was just like, wow, this isthe coolest thing ever, because
I feel like at for one, theydon't at more of those
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mainstream pop concerts for one,there's not a festival for it
typically, but to know that theartists who just like want to be
a part of it as well and wanderand be involved is really cool
yeah, I mean it's like alollapalooza and a bonnaroo.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's like yeah still, though, but the different
crowds that come, but likeyou're not about to, see chapel
roan walking around lollapalooza.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, you know like it's different.
I don't feel like the artistsreally wander like that.
There we're in the edm realm.
It's so different because,although they're these big heads
, I mean they're going to havethose crazy mega fans that are
like holy shit, you're here.
But then there's a lot ofpeople that are just like you're
, just like me, Like you're justhere for the love of the music
as well.
So I really like that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Levity did that yesterday.
They created the freaking vibesman.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They really gave us a little taste like a nibble of
summer in chicago.
The summer chicago.
I just can't get over it.
But yeah, just the festival,the, the, the plur you know,
yeah, the pl you are love.
I know pl you are r r r yeah,respect and responsibility be
responsible but yeah, just thethe crowd that it brings is just
amazing.
But I mean that being also aday show versus night show,
(13:08):
though, too.
It's like that's also differentenergy for like, what people
are bringing?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean yeah, can we talk about how?
No hate, no shade, no anythingtowards people that are getting
a little buck wild?
If you were, I honestly didn'tsee it like at the levity show.
It was like also was a Sunday,so maybe everyone was taking it
easy, taking a load off, butlike respectfully, and I feel
like it was really nice to seeeveryone kind of come together
(13:34):
and not be off the shits assomeone that's never really off
the shits anymore, like I've hadan era when I did, but like not
as much now.
No hate, no shame, no anythingto people that do, because I
have friends that love to vibeout and do their own things.
But it's like refreshing to goto a day show and have people
just there for the music andthen go home and have a nice
(13:55):
chill Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Make chicken Alfredo Literally.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like literally what?
So you did no, but Rye did.
I just can't wait for summer.
I think it developed a newrespect for me.
I mean, I've never really beenan overly big afters person.
Like every now and again I'lllike sprinkle an after party in,
but for the most part I reallylike now like going to the main
(14:20):
events and then laying low.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Okay, so yeah, you prefer like daytime.
It's kind of hard to do the dayto night switch.
That well, festivals aredifferent because the day to
night switch is just I mean youhave to and the night switch
depending on if it's like.
If it's just a normal cityfestival, it ends at 10 11
anyway, but if it's camping,you're out for the night anyway,
like I would love if otherartists took note of how this
weekend went and were able toincorporate it in more events
(14:45):
this summer.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
If we could do not full-blown pop-up like it
doesn't have to be a pop-up ifit could be, that would be
awesome.
It doesn't have to be freeeither, like everyone, get their
bag, make your money, honey.
But I would love to have thechance to do more of those just
like midday moments and thencould still have the rest of the
night to vibe yeah, I thinkthat that should be like a new
(15:09):
thing entering this like softgirl era that we're all in right
now.
Yeah, healthy girl era healthygirls and mindfully mindfully
chaotic.
Skip the gym, sure, danceinstead.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah you know, yeah, no, literally are you feel like
you're kind of like tapping intoyour like soft girl era?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
oh, I've been in my soft girl era, for sure, like I
am trying to be more in myskincare routine.
I mean definitely since Istopped drinking, and like, if
you see me drink ever, no, youdidn't.
I'm like we may have had aSaturday night.
I don't, yeah, like I don'tdrink often, but every now and
(15:50):
again I'll sprinkle it in.
Like I'm going on vacationagain next week and I might have
a my tire too, whatever, but um, yeah, I think that as I've
approached this more likemajority sober lifestyle that
I've definitely like gained moreof an appreciation for, like
the soft girlness, like takingmy makeup off before bed, like
(16:11):
wearing my matching pj set youknow what I mean.
Yeah, like just being in myclean girl, but also like you
know what?
Yeah, like I'm taking care ofme.
Now not as much like gremlin,don't get me wrong.
I love a good gremlin momentwhen I'm at like a four-day
camping fest, but like when I'mtaking care of me now, not as
much like gremlin, don't get mewrong.
I love a good gremlin momentwhen I'm at like a four day
camping fest, but like when I'mat home, no, I'm all for the
bender.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Now what if, off season, you know, it's like
you're not like in between oryou really haven't been like an
in between, or where you're likeall the time going crazy?
But there's been moments wewere having like a week or two
bender of just like yeah, likeclub, another club, another club
, another party bus, anotherclub.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
yeah but it was also nice because we, like, worked
within the nightlife communityfor a while there, so it was
like we would go out and wewould be drinking for free,
basically like we would tipdon't get me wrong, but we were
just like getting the homiehookup, so it was easy yeah but
then, like, the more you work inthat industry and then later
the nights become, the less youwant to go to them in your free
(17:11):
time.
So definitely exited that era alittle bit, but still love her,
love everybody that I metthrough it too.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
This is for you yeah, nightlife made the big switch.
Honestly, like being innightlife and having like I had
such a different situation withmy nightlife situation because,
like I was dating somebody veryin the nightlife me in my prone
(17:41):
festival era, in my degeneratestate, in my I'm just here, fuck
it, we ball, like, let me justlive is like he just didn't like
it, he hated it, he didn't seeany enjoyment with the festival
culture.
He always assumed that justbecause I listened to the music
every, everywhere I was, even inthe clubs, it's like I had to
(18:01):
be on drugs or fucked up, whichwas not the case.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, and I mean same then assumed my friends were
like that too, I was like no,I'm just one of those people
that this is my energy and thisis my aura, and I apologize that
I'm a bit much at times, butlike that's just who I am and
that's just how it should.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It shouldn't be that way with the accusing, but it's
how it should be that you arethe same person.
I mean maybe a little enhanced,but you are the same person
yeah like either way, but I feellike being in nightlife like
almost brought, like a, like youguys are doing things that are
like overly fucking you up forno reason or like not doing it
(18:40):
mindfully and that was like Ifeel like more nightlife is more
like you know, the the nose,the nose drugs abuse yeah
whereas, like why are youjudging people that go to
festivals that just want to like?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
go for the music, not always for the drugs.
But I will say there is more ofthat switch switch happening
lately, like as the rave scenehas grown.
It's a shame because we've beena part of it for so long.
Don't get me wrong.
There has always been asubstance problem there, always.
But it's the matter of how farare we going to take it?
Like, are we going to keepgoing to our breaking point, to
(19:13):
the edge, like, are you evencoming for the music anymore?
Like one of my biggest petpeeves, and I'm sure I was that
at one point when I was in myrave baby era.
But when I'm at a stage andsomeone looks at me and goes, oh
my God, who even is this rightnow?
And you can just tell they'reoff it, and it's like babe, this
is the headliner.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Off it.
And it's like, babe, this isthe headliner.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, what time did you get here?
Like, don't get me wrong, noteverybody means it maliciously
and like I don't mean to take itin that way by any means, but
sometimes it's just like you'renot even going to.
I think a big part of whereI've found gratitude and the
place I'm at now is knowing andremembering my whole experience
and actually appreciating whoI'm seeing and what they're
providing and the production ofeverything.
(19:59):
I think the more I want to getinto the backgrounds of
everything and see how thestages are built and see how
it's developed and how thefestivals are curated, the more
I appreciate what goes into itand stand back watching it all
happen.
I'm like wow, like that that'scool, like I'm taking note of
that.
Well, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, I've always said like I want to see how a
movie is produced.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like just being in the background of all of that,
like seeing something that youlike really appreciate, like all
come together does bring thisnew sense of enjoyment to it.
But when it comes to substanceabuse within the r right now, I
think it's like hitting kind ofuh, it's a problem like the
fentanyl thing.
(20:39):
There's tiktoks going aroundthat my mom sent me because
she's only you know, she'scautious of, you know, a parent
but where I'm like get off ofsocial media because it are like
people just throwing.
They're saying that fentanyl ispopping up in marijuana, but I
texted her.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
There was a time when it was in mushrooms well, I had
a, I texted her literally.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I said well, first things first.
I said is it from a dispensaryor off the streets?
Because if people are putting,like you can't get fentanyl weed
from a dispensary, like there'sno fucking way like that's just
really hard for me to believe.
So it's like if you are buyingit from a drug dealer, okay,
let's think about this.
People who are kind of comingto this soft girl era this
healing like ooh more holisticway, like let's juice, let's do
(21:21):
our skincare, let's be our bodyof the temple.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Let's not drink.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's not drink.
Let's be California sober.
Whatever those medications andpeople like that are on these
opioids or things that they needfor anxiety or whatever
situation that it is it's like,ok, well, that drug also causes
all these other problems.
You know all the ads online.
(21:45):
It's like, oh well, this willhelp your blood pressure, but
it'll cause death and brainaneurysms Like what.
Take it your own.
It's like what?
You're allowing this stuff, butyou're you.
You know you can't even allowmarijuana to be something that
actually helps people.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now here's my theory is, like those people, that yeah
, well, marijuana kind of is nowwhen the medical cards and
stuff like that, but they don'twant.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is my theory, though, of what my mom said.
I was, like take it forsomebody that probably is
somebody that is doesn't want tobe seen in a dispensary.
It's a social thing, or it'stoo expensive or whatever, and
they can't get prescribedsomething.
They have an issue, and they'reresulting to getting whatever
easy fix that they need.
So they're going to go to thestreets OK, well, that's
(22:40):
different strains for that.
Like, if that was more broughtto the table, there wouldn't be
such an opioid epidemic, therewouldn't be such a fentanyl
thing, there wouldn't be peoplethat are dying from drug
overdoses.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
If there was, like, more of a open conversation of
healthier ways to do differentthings yeah and I just feel like
that whole it's all messed up,it's just so messed up, I agree,
and it's just like, even withthe Adderall thing, like
everybody's taking it, I feellike nowadays it doesn't even
really take that much to get it.
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As someone with severe ADHD, Itry my best to control it
naturally, like on my ownmentality.
Even, for instance now, like aswe've started doing the podcast
, I've been telling myself likeoh, sit still, like listen, make
sure you try not to interrupt.
Like because those are allthings that my ADHD causes me to
do, naturally, on accident.
And so I could easily probablygo to a doctor and be like hey,
(23:33):
like I have this problem andthey'll see it because it's
there, and then their firstthing is going to be 60
milligrams of extended releaseand it's like 60 milligrams.
Let's probably start with fiveor something small.
But like I've had friends thatliterally they went and like
obviously it goes to apsychiatrist and like it is like
a mental evaluation, evaluation, but sometimes it's not as
(23:55):
heavy of an evaluation as itshould be, because they'll be
like oh yeah, I'm just gonnagive you like two 30s that you
take a day.
Are they good for that?
And then, next thing, you know,like, especially with like
Adderall, everybody gets soskinny and it's really unhealthy
and if you're not eatingappropriately or taking it right
, it can really mess withsomebody and make their mental
health even worse than the adhdis right, exactly, and I mean
(24:19):
they say it's a chromosome awayfrom math I mean all these
people are walking around onmath like yeah, I mean I've of
course we've all probably donetook an adderall when we need to
take.
Yeah, well, I was gonna say likeI try to avoid taking right,
like there's been so manywindows of opportunities where
I've considered going andgetting the whole psych eval
done to like get it.
(24:40):
But then I always questionmyself because it's like, do I
want to feel that way?
Like, for me personally andmaybe those that have also taken
it can also understand that itmakes me a little bit mean, like
crabby, and I don't like her,like I like when I'm more in my
bubbly fun like, don't get mewrong, we all have our days, but
I don't really like a certaincharacteristic that it brings
(25:02):
out in me.
I feel like I get veryirritable when I take Adderall
and, yeah, I do feel like I wishthat it didn't make me feel
that way, because even when Iwas taking Concerta and it was
from a doctor, like it made mekind of mean just because it was
like morphing my personality alittle bit yeah, I can, which
happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It happens to a lot of people and that's the problem
.
It's like you're sitting heredrowning a root thing with
another root thing, that youhave to take another, and now is
next thing you know, you'retaking 10 different pills yeah
and it's not even like asupplement, it's a pill.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's a drug.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That is like suppressing things where it's
like no, how about let's justlike go outside into nature and
like ground and do the thingsthat we were put on this earth
with.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I will say, a lot of people have been in their like
shroom era.
Yeah, there's been more and morepeople coming about mushrooms
that I've been like learning I'mat my job and someone will be
like haha, like I'm just onmushrooms, I'm not drinking, and
I'm like you're on mushroomsand you're here right now.
Yeah, I mean, don't get mewrong they're always like the
nicest and the vibiest and likethere's a, an energy.
(26:05):
A lot of people are like donewith drinking and doing that
instead, which is kind ofinteresting.
I don't mind it.
I think that the people thatare doing it are really really
sweet and kind and a vibe, tosay the least.
But it is crazy because thatused to not be the social norm,
I think, even in our parentsgeneration.
They kind of look at thiscurrent one and they're like
(26:25):
what do you mean?
That's what you're doing.
That's weird.
Why are you doing psychedelicsto go out where in reality it's
not?
This like overly push, like, ohmy gosh, I'm on this
psychedelic awakening, like it'sfor them, just a body high.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That, yeah, is still keeping you very alert and aware
of what's going on around you,but doesn't fully make you
intoxicated and likedisassociated, like drinking can
that's what I didn't, I neverunderstood, because drinking is
like literally suppressing youcompletely, like an altered not
even an altered state ofconsciousness how a psychedelic
(27:01):
can do but like a literal, likeyou're unconscious, you can get
to the point of unconscious.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You're just like not there.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But like I never understood and I say this all
the time I'm like where, fromthe 60s and 70s till now, like
what the hell Mindset shift?
Because it's all of thosepeople that came out from those
eras that then raised the peoplethat raise us, and it's like,
(27:27):
well, why are like, why are wedown on so much, the disconnect,
down on so much?
But because of this whole newwave of mental health, like I
feel like obviously, after thepandemic and then whatever the
hell last year was, like 2024was fucked up for a lot of
people.
Yeah, like we feel you out there, but there was this new, fresh
(27:48):
energy of like okay, you know,like it's okay to feel my
emotions, it's okay to bevulnerable, it's okay to give
somebody a hug without feelingawkward about it it's okay to
like extend that open arm toothers and like maybe look into
some holistic ways of healingmyself and not just succumbing
(28:09):
to everything that's shoved downour throats yeah, I agree,
agree but yeah, that also justgoes for everybody in general.
Like I don't know, how do youfeel like?
Do you feel like people arecoming out of like their little
shells and wanting to be morevulnerable?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I feel like overall within the new generation, there
is just like a different lightthat everyone's kind of shining
onto the world.
More of a natural beauty isprettier than overly glammed and
it's okay to do naturalsubstances rather than ones that
are toxic and man-made.
You know, like there is just anew light and a new perspective
(28:45):
that's been entering the worldfor a while now and I personally
don't mind it.
I'm not a hater.
I think that there is.
It's okay to change and eventhough it's scary, it can bring
a lot of cool new opportunity.
And especially with the whole Imean mushroom subject, it's
kind of refreshing hearingpeople talk about their
(29:06):
experiences with that.
Rather than drinking, I mean,yes, occasionally I'll have a
cocktail, like I said, but I'mreally not one that does that
and honestly I'm sober a lot,like I go out to concerts and
I'll just have water the wholetime, like occasionally, a
dibble dabble or whatever.
But it's just like it'srefreshing to know that people
(29:28):
are not requiring themselves toget to a level of disassociation
in order to have fun yeah likeit's okay to remember your
experience, it's okay to live inthe now, it's okay to look at
your friends and just like belike appreciative of them being
there, without it being sloppy,because it's also scary, like
the whole fentanyl thing, it'salso just scary to like do
anything because people aredying from it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
People are dying from it.
We witnessed a couple differentthings that have happened like.
We witnessed almost someoneODing at a show just not too
long ago.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, like a year ago , and it's scary, like I think
that everybody should know howto administer Narcan.
That is my biggest, biggest,biggest takeaway from this whole
episode.
If there's anything that ourlisteners I mean other than,
like my parents, that probablywon't ever be at a concert where
this is natural for you, butlike for those that genuinely go
(30:19):
to raves and go to concertsplease, please, please, find a
way to learn to administer it.
It is an easy class, not even aclass like I went to the end
overdose event and had themteach me.
I don't never used it, but Iknow how to do it.
Because in today's generation,it's just scary how many people
are affected by these things.
(30:39):
Like I hear these stories onTikTok and through other social
media platforms of people thatare really losing their friends
and important people in theirlives due to the drug problem
that there is right now withinour community, and so I just
think it's really important thateverybody knows how to take the
steps to prevent it, becauseeven if there is an opportunity
like, say, someone is going downand you're the only one that
(31:02):
knows how to do it, like giveyourself that pat on the back
for being the one that can savethem, rather than being the one
that doesn't know what's goingon and I don't know if you guys
tuned into this laps episodethat we did, but I had asked
taylor like worst and bestfestival moments, and we did
bring up um and start to bringup this the conversation of like
right and wrong ways to do themand um, also just really quick
(31:24):
too.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We've been just so excited to have this platform,
um, because we've been luckyenough to be a part of this
community and be so welcomedwithin it and know and be around
and have experienced loss andgrief around substances, and the
purpose of this show is to notonly talk about the fun
(31:46):
festivals that are going on butto also touch on this subject,
because I feel like it's such agray area that's overlooked
where it's like it's either oneextreme to the other and there's
not like a okay, like you'llmeet.
You'll meet people where it'slike, oh, it's just like the
peace, love, unity, respect.
You give a candy, you, you knowyou sprout them or whatever.
But then, like you'll meet orI'll have conversations and meet
(32:07):
random people that like now Iknow, like why they're here.
I'm like you came all the wayfrom where by yourself, or you
just lost your job and youscraped the last three hundred
dollars you have and you havezero now to come here.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, like you meet those kinds of people that just
have like these stories, thatare just like drawn to you, but
also like that are almost likeliving in these moments for
someone else because they lostsomeone yeah, I mean Kayla and I
both personally haveexperienced our own losses
through friends, through reallyimportant people that we've had
the opportunities of knowing inthis life, and I think that, to
(32:43):
kind of give an overall branchon what our Mindful Mayhem
Project is, it's to shareknowledge and share community
and be a community and justoverall give people the
opportunity to know that they,you, can go, have fun and be
crazy, but that this is a safespace for you to share your
story, share your tales, butthen also learn and be aware of
(33:06):
what you can do to prevent.
And I think a big part of ourproject is to touch on the scary
stuff hammer in the nail whenit comes to having fun, but
mindfully, you know.
And so not only do we want toeventually interview your
favorite artists and share theirstories, but we want to share
our own, and this is a part ofour story.
(33:27):
Is the people we've lostputting us in the position to
now give a voice that they don'thave anymore?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I in the position to now give a voice that they don't
have anymore.
I, in the year of 2018 alone,there was like seven people back
to back, and then in 2019,another one of our friends right
after that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And it's also about where we're from.
Kayla and I came from verysimilar backgrounds.
I feel like we grew up prettysimilarly.
When it comes to like, honestly, our how we were in high school
, granted, like your pathchanged a little bit, but like
the difference between I don'tknow if everybody can relate but
like in my high school peoplewere kind of like dabbling, I
(34:07):
don't know I keep saying dabble,keep.
People are kind of sprinklingin some substance use within
certain groups and ours weredifferent.
Yours was very much downeropioid and mine was like uppers,
like people doing like damnnear crack, which is scary.
Neither should have been done.
Let's just acknowledge thatLike none of that is necessary,
(34:29):
especially at such a young age.
It's kind of scary that it wasso normal, but it's definitely
crazy the difference betweenwhat each of our communities was
doing, but like how similar weare now and how it brought us
together well how me and Tayloreven know each other, just like
the little backstory of us,because we never even explained.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
But our ex-boyfriends were friends.
We were never in the samefriend group by any means.
But I like just knew who shewas and she knew who I was
because of that.
But my ex-boyfriend at the time, he is the one that introduced
me to this life he introduced meto.
He was the first person I smokedweed with.
I lost my virginity too.
I like literally did my firstdrug with first festival all of
(35:12):
it, and that's why I have a suchlike.
I'm healed.
I by no means like for anybodythat I date next.
She's okay, I'm fine, this isalso a long time ago, a very
long time ago, but it set themood for who I am today and
that's something that'simportant and what's a part of
me and who I am in the ravecommunity as well.
And, like what he hasintroduced me to and he
(35:35):
unfortunately did pass in theyear of 2018 he was one of the
uh like second or third oneactually in the group that year
and then, unfortunately, twomonths later than his brother,
passed too, um, which now thesewere different situations to
where it wasn't I.
I personally think now, afterreflecting and grieving about it
(35:55):
, it was intentional and thatbrings a different heaviness to
it, because that's a wholedifferent subject.
When you just don't feel likethat's also to the extent of
Some people just aren't meant tolive long.
And that's just the stamp thatthey put on In that sense, and
it always is those people thatdo have that great electric,
(36:16):
electric personality.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That are the ones that, it seems, are
unfortunately gone too soon.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, oh my god.
Yeah, anybody that knew himlike just knows.
But some people do look at himlike we were the druggies in
high school you know, like thepeople that I hung out with in
high school were not the peoplelike I by no means was the
popular one and I by no meanswas the loser either, but like I
more so kind of fit into theloser category, but at the same
time I was also an athlete too,so it was like this athlete that
(36:43):
like didn't carry on with herathletics afterwards.
It was just like I had twodifferent black and white
personalities but, for one,being at the age that I was and
not even being able to process,like how someone is using pills
against you.
It's like I didn't even knowwhat a Xanax was or an opioid or
anything like, and people aremy boyfriends just taking them
(37:06):
just left and right, and thatwas just the normal.
But going into like now andinto, like this more mature side
of raving, it's just like Iwish I could have stopped it.
In a way, I wish I would havebeen more in tune with what it,
but also you can't.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Everything happens for a reason and it's so shitty
to say that, especially when itregards to loss.
But I am a firm believer thatalthough it hurts so bad, like
some of those things are justlike it's a part of their story,
like they are one of the goodones that had to go early
because the world was too cruelfor them in a sense like I know
with his case in particular likeit's kind of a question on if
(37:44):
it was like self-inflicted ornot and like with things like
that it's like their personalchoice.
I mean with my person that Ilost, it was like it was very
interesting because it came offas like also self-inflicted in a
sense, like no one knew it hadhappened really, or like that
what they were fightinginternally on their own, which
(38:07):
kind of sucks.
But I really do believe thatlike the good do die young, and
especially when it's someonethat kind of carries the light
within a community, like myfriend that had passed, it's
like when he was gone all of asudden, like our friend group
wasn't really the same withouthim and so everybody kind of
went their own ways and don't bewrong.
I still love them all so muchand I'm appreciative to have the
(38:29):
memories I do with them, but Ifeel like he brought a different
light to our group and we kindof needed it to keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about also just
like pulling.
Oh my gosh, you guys I totallyforgot.
I have like a gift, not to likecompletely switch it up, but
the whole purpose of thisepisode that I totally forgot
about.
I have a gift for Taylor rightnow.
One second, what the heck, whatthe hell.
All right, this is notsponsored by Target, but we have
a Target bag.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Ignore the bag.
Stop Nothing here does that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hold on, I have another one.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Okay, a little cheers for the people.
Oh, oh oh, stop, cute right.
I'm obsessed.
These are so cute.
Okay, so for those that arejust listening, kayla just
pulled out two super cutesygirly pop mugs.
Well, like, not girly pop,purple is for whoever loves it,
but one is iridescent and itsays trust the process.
(39:24):
And then the other one ischeckered and white.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
White and purple.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And purple.
I don't know why I hesitated,but cute.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yes, the whole purpose of this was in the trust
, the process thing, and I thinkthat this is a really good
moment to bring it in because,honestly, like I feel like after
Taylor's giving a view of mylegs on the cam but yeah, I mean
like the the theme of liferight now in general is like
(39:52):
trust the process.
And like by no means is likegrief, like, oh, you just need
to trust the process as to whyyou like lost this person, but
at the same time it kind of isfind the understanding life is
just it's not fair in general,and like, if you can see the
light out of them, out of thethings that do happen, um, that
(40:13):
is like the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, I agree and it is like to kind of table off of
the trust, the process stuff,like we really are in our era of
doing that.
I think I mean me personally.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I feel like I'm trying I want to come back to
that.
I actually have a question foryou to give them.
But just to finish off, kind ofwhat we were saying really
quick is we're by no meanscondoning substance use or
hating those that are doing so.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
like it is your life, live your truth, do what you
want to do, but we want to makesure that this is a safe space
for those that need someone totalk to.
Or maybe you're going throughsomething and you just don't
feel like you have a place, likethis is your community and this
is your space of safety andunderstanding and just overall,
we get it.
We've been there, we've donethat.
(40:59):
We also have friends that arein it.
Still, this is a judge-freezone.
So if you see us out and you'relike, wow, I can relate to you
so much and I love listening toyou and I want to hear from you,
we're here.
Dms are open.
If you see us in public, say hi,talk to us but yeah, this is
like a safe space for those thatfeel like they don't fit in or
(41:21):
that you do fit in, and it'sjust.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I always say it's the community for those that need
one and I stretch that acrossall of my my things and that's
it's the live and let liveprocess, it's the stretch your
hand out.
The community, it's the plur,like let's all spread it and
like be there for one anotherand connect, but with, like,
(41:46):
going through the grief of thedrug thing and being around them
and still using them, still,though, too, like there's no
guilt behind them if you stillwant to use them.
There's also that's also kindof like what I wanted to touch,
because I had a friend thatalmost, like had no choice but
to like cut them completely outbecause of everything that we
went through, and that'sperfectly great.
(42:07):
Now, in a way, like I sometimeslike how, going back to the
whole, there's a right and wrongway to do mushrooms or a
psychedelic.
It's like in those ways of youknow, being treated and using
them to heal and being in theright mindset and coming out of
it as, like you know what, I ama better person now I actually
can.
I'm coming with um like closureafter that or like now I know
(42:29):
that they're at peace and thingsare fine.
That's like the mindful way.
That is the mindful way of doingand being in, like in just the
community, or being the personlike that just, and you don't
even have to be in the edm ravescene to like do that too,
because, like we said, we see itso much now with people just in
our day-to-day on the street,going in the nightclubs and
(42:51):
everything, are just sitting atthe park, you know, and now that
we are stepping into thesummertime and whatever, like
purely, purely, purely, with mywhole heart, shed the message
that there are different ways toheal.
Yeah, there are different waysto learn about yourself and
there's different ways to bethere for other people.
(43:12):
It's just, sometimes you needto just allow yourself to get
there and be vulnerable and likelet yourself go cry.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, like it's okay.
It's okay to cry too.
Yeah, I don't know why thatmade me feel like I needed to
say that so random.
I'm quiet for so long.
It's okay to cry, but it isalso, yeah, like if that's part
of your healing, then it is um.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So what do you feel like in your life right now?
Is something that you want totrust the process more in, or
like want to give advice tosomebody that is feeling like
they can't get themselves totrust the process?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
so I feel like, for me personally, um, my trust, the
process moment right now is I'ma little bit older, like I'm 27
.
I was still in college.
Because I've been dragging itout, because it just it doesn't
feel like me.
You know, some people are madefor that.
I've just never felt likethat's my path, even though
(44:11):
that's like the social standard,even though that's like the
social standard.
More recently, since diving intothe rave culture of the
backgrounds of things and givingmyself the opportunity to do
more rave fashion content andfall in love with a different
part of this community, I tookit upon myself to take a
semester off of school and Idedicated to content creation
and I want to be a contentcreator.
(44:32):
I think that that is my purposeand my being and I just I love
it.
Like I love being able to talkto people.
I love that.
I've had it happen already,like that someone has recognized
me and it was really coolbecause we were able to talk on
this personal level and it waslike, oh my gosh, like I felt
purpose in what I was doing,having that happen.
And so I took it upon myself tostop doing school and give
(44:58):
myself a goal that if by the endof summer I can really grow and
evolve as a person and see thechange that I hope for myself
and do something that I love asmy career, then I'm going to put
myself out there and do it Now.
If that doesn't work out, I dohave a backup plan.
But this is my trusted processright now is believing in myself
, believing that I can docontent creation full time and
maybe it won't always be therave niche like I love it right
(45:20):
now.
It is really such a core partof who I am.
But I do have this life outsideof it that's really fun and
cool and exciting and that Iwould love to dip my toes in the
more comfortable I get talkingon camera in more of selfie mode
than a podcast.
But I really really want totrust my process with evolving
into the person I feel that I'mmeant to be and allowing myself
to shoot my shot at doing what Ilove and making it a career.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
What's yours?
Oh, mine, well, as you know, Idon't know.
I feel like right now mine'smore of like a calling.
I feel like my trust.
My process is just making surethat I'm confident in what my
process is.
I suppose because in the pastcouple months I've just in the
(46:08):
past year I have dealt withquite an emotional pull on my
entire life, just with my homesituation, my family situation
and then just me, um, being asingle pringle for the past
almost two years now, likethat's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's already been that long Iknow I've been just a single
pringle walking that's okay.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I think that it's been good it's developed me into
like literally the greatestversion of yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
So, like when you ask me what's something that I am
trusting in the process, like Ialready, I listen to Jesus
Christ, I listen to the universe, I listen to literal every sign
that I'm the most spirituallyconnected.
You know, in my own being, youknow, but I guess my, my purpose
now and what I've been calledto do and I feel like sometimes
(46:56):
I'm kind of annoying to talk tobecause it's the only thing I
can say is like what are yougoing through?
Oh well, why don't we just likeyou know, like just let it
happen?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
you know, but but like go with the flow but like
if you knew me five years ago.
I can't, I was not yeah, theflow Kayla is very much.
I want to give her majorcredits to her flow and it going
, because it used to be verylike I'm pretty go with the flow
, like I like to have astructured plan, but it's like
whatever happens happens LikeI've learned to not always be
(47:26):
able to control what's happeningaround me or what's going on
when Kayla is very, I think themom and her is like we need to
have a plan, we need to knowwhat's happening next, like I
need to have the structure andmore recently you've definitely
let go and been like you knowwhat.
I'm just going to trust theprocess and let it happen the
way it's supposed to and knowthat I can't always have control
of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And it's been freaking so good Like I've never
been more peace at peace, likein my own mind, and I think that
now my message and like mycalling is just to like spread
that and inform other peopleabout it, like you, and show
people how they can do my otherfriends and like show them just
(48:08):
like hey, like let's breathe,and even in my daughter, like I
feel like it's showing, like now, and just like being more open
and allowing her to feel in herfeelings.
But sometimes that gets me introuble.
But we're all opening up to newopportunities and new ways, but
only when we allow life tohappen how it goes, because if
not, and you are taking too muchof the control, like yeah, okay
(48:30):
, it might go your way for alittle bit, but either way, one
way or another, life is going tofigure out a way to rip you
from it if it's not meant foryou.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, I also do think like heavy emphasis on the fact
that, yes, there's a lot ofthings that we can control, but
I kind of am becoming more of abeliever that our paths are sort
of made already and how theydevelop is there are some things
that we can change and shift inlike full 180, but some of it's
just meant to happen the way itis and, although it may seem
(48:59):
like the big inconveniences andstuff like that in the moment,
like there really are momentsthat you just got to accept
what's going on and it's okay toaccept it, it's okay to be
scared of it, it's okay to beoverly excited about it, like
it's okay to just let it happenyeah, should we end off on that
beautiful note right there?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I love that note.
Should we cheers with ournon-filled cups?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
on the mic.
I'm sorry sorry.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Bless you on the freaking, okay on the frig.
First of all, thank you guys,so much for tuning in to Mindful
Mayhem.
Before we let off, we want totoast.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Who wants to lead the ?
Speaker 1 (49:42):
toast today, half and half.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I want to cheers to you, our listeners, to you,
kayla, and to me, because wereally are in this evolutionary
stage in our lives that you guysare trusting us with this
project and giving us a voice,which is freaking sick, but then
also like we're puttingourselves out there and stepping
out of our comfort zones tomake our dreams come true.
(50:07):
So cheers to that and yourscheers.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I feel like it's bad luck to not have anything in
here.
It's okay, okay.
No, it's not erase the juju.
Um, yes.
Cheers to going into the restof this year as a more at peace
version of ourselves, withallowing things to go through.
And cheersing to, yes, those ofyou who are capable of listening
(50:38):
to us because we are anacquired taste, and we love each
other just as much as we loveyou guys that love us, and vice
versa.
It's all a big love, and we'recheersing to more people coming
and joining our community, andthis is a community for those
who need one, and that's exactlywhat we opened it up for.
And yeah, you said it prettygood, so I have nothing else to
(51:02):
say.
Cheers to all of that.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
And, on a final note, I do want to say a big shout
out to Levity and them forcreating such a great energy
this weekend.
I hope you guys lead the packon what is next to come for the
community, because that wasreally freaking cool.
And this weekend, I hope youguys lead the pack on what is
next to come for the community,because that was really freaking
cool, and I hope more artistsdo similar things as well.
So thanks to everybody thatcame.
Thank you all for tuning in.
This was this week's episode ofmindful mayhem.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
We'll see you later.
Toodles, I love me a man in ahoodie and some painted nails.
Okay, end scene.
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