40 – Real Talk - Integrative Health vs. Conventional Medicine

In this episode of Real Talk, we’re diving into one of the most important conversations in modern wellness: the real difference between integrative health and conventional medicine—and why it matters more than ever.

Most people don’t realize that these two systems are built on entirely different goals. Conventional medicine is designed to diagnose and treat disease, and it does that well—especially in acute or emergency situations. But what if you’re not in crisis mode? What if you’re exhausted, inflamed, moody, bloated, or just feeling “off”? That’s where integrative health steps in.

We break down why “normal” lab results don’t always mean optimal health, and how integrative providers look for patterns, trends, and subtle dysfunction long before disease shows up. You’ll hear how protocols, not just prescriptions, help get to the root cause of symptoms, and how this approach blends nutrition, supplements, lifestyle changes, and advanced testing to create real, sustainable results.

We’ll also talk about the mindset required to thrive in this model—because healing isn’t a quick fix. It’s a commitment to working with your body instead of masking what it’s trying to tell you. Whether you’re new to this or deep into your wellness journey, this episode will challenge how you think about healthcare—and what true health actually means.

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Healing doesn’t happen all at once, but each question, each step, and each small win adds up. This episode is a reminder that the answers you’re seeking often begin by asking the right questions.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Real Talk, where we skip the gimmicks and get honest
about what's really happened in your body and what to do about
it. I'm your host doctor Daniel
Sprouw, integrative health practitioner and professor.
And I'm your Co host, Gerardo Ortega.
Today we're talking about something that hits home for so
many people, the difference between integrative health and
conventional medicine. Reminder this podcast for

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informational and educational purposes only.
We did not diagnose, cure, or treat any illness or disease.
Now, if you ever been to the doctor, had your labs come back
as normal, but still felt terrible, you're not alone.
Or maybe you're handed a prescription, but no one asks
you about your sleep, stress, diet, or toxic load.
That's the gap we're talking about today.
What is integrative health? What is conventional medicine

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really set up to do? And what happens when you start
asking better questions about how to support your body, not
just patch it up? In this episode, we're digging
into the difference in philosophy and goals between the
two approaches. How each system interprets labs
and symptoms. Why prescriptions and protocols
aren't enemies, and when each isappropriate.
What to expect from integrative care in terms of time, money,

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and mindset. Because understanding your
options is the first step towards better outcomes.
So let's get real. Yeah, man, there's a huge
difference right now from integrated health versus
conventional medicine. It all depends on what's going
on, who's taking care of you, and how worried are you right
now with your current health. You and I have been preaching to
people as much as we can do the holistic route, take your

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supplements or some of the people out there is just Nope.
I'm sticking to whatever my doctor's prescribing me as far
as antidepressants, for the anxiety, for all that stuff.
But these are the ones that might be cooped up inside or
have a desk job and they're not out there moving around.
I don't think people know the difference and I think people
were raised a doctor's there to heal you and they just solely

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rely on their doctor and they don't educate themselves on
other methods. But again, you have to be your
own advocate. You can't just rely on a medical
doctor. You need to take this.
You need to do this. This is best for your body
because you as an individual, it's not always best for you
exactly. You are.
The one that knows the body the most.
If you have an ache somewhere, just keep an eye on it.
Just make sure that it's not going to escalate to something

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severe in a couple days. If it's gone in a couple days,
then your body healed itself. But if it's still there and it's
bothering you, say something. Do something about.
It and that's where people need to learn their own body and know
what to say to a doctor and not be afraid of their doctor.
I think many people are just afraid of their doctors.
And honestly, I think you go in there, you get your check up,
the doctors are talking to you about everything.

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How are you working out? Have you gotten blood work?
And then they'll ask you. You got anything else for me?
You want to ask me any other questions?
And at that point, either you'reoverwhelmed because you already
waited half an hour for them to come into the room, and you just
want to get out of there. At that point, a lot of people,
they'll just say I'm all right, there's nothing else.
But, you know, you take your wife to the appointment with

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you, and she's going to have a whole list.
Oh, yeah. This day he was complaining
about this. He's also hurting on this.
But it's just us being on the spot.
I don't know if every person's out there like that, but I know
many are. If I go to a medical doctor like
man when could this guy leave and stop asking questions?
And that is true just because onwhat you've learned, or I guess
I could say what we've learned so far.

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And it's like now we're asking the correct questions.
So let's start with one of the most overlooked but most
important differences in how we approach health.
And what is the goal of the system that you are using?
Conventional medicines built around diagnosing and treating
disease. It excels when there's an
emergency. Think about it, if you break a
bone, get appendicitis, develop pneumonia, have a heart attack,

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you want fast, structured, evidence based care.
It's common sense. You want someone who can
stabilize you and save your life, That's sick care.
We absolutely need it. What do you think?
Yes, for stuff like that, and I've said it before, if it's
stuff that's medical and that's when I praise the modern
medicine. You have a heart attack, you
have any of these things, you want to see a doctor, But that's

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when conventional medicine oftenstops.
It's reactive, not preventative.And for a lot of people, their
health issues don't fall into emergency category.
Instead, they're dealing with low energy, mood swings,
digestive issues, hormone imbalances, sleep problems,
chronic inflammation. They aren't dramatic enough to
send you to a hospital, but they're impacting your daily

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life. And conventional medicine
doesn't always have a clear pathforward for that.
And I think that's where people do not understand a lot about
integrative health. They just think of these things
and think, Oh, my doctor's doingthat already, and your doctor
does not do what we do. I think one of the biggest
things is when people get sick, it all depends if you're Moody,

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you're actually coming down witha cold or you just don't feel
good because the stress levels could be up, You got low energy,
you're fatigued, you got the mood swings like you said.
But it's just some people think they're OK and that's how their
body is supposed to run and thatis not how it's supposed to run.
You want to be running at your optimal level.
And that's what I'm learning now.

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And me personally, I feel like Iam running now that way like a
lot better than I was in the past year is just getting after
it and I just putting a Band-Aidover your health issues.
I got a headache right now. Let me take a time tomorrow the
same thing. Try to figure out why you got
the headache in the 1st place. It's just people shouldn't wait
to the last minute. People waiting to the last

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minute to cover their health, but also people not knowing the
difference of, again, what a medical doctor does and what
they should do. And a medical doctor, they're,
they're trying their best, but they have a specialty of what
they do, right? You get knee pain, they give you
medicine for your knee. They don't look at the root
'cause they're never going to doany of that stuff.
So people got to stop thinking their doctor's going to heal

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them because that's not what a medical doctor does.
They're there to have a script of what they've learned, not
what's out there, what's modern right now, what's truly helping
the people. That and a lot of medical
doctors don't do any research. They just go based on this one
insurance covers, this is what Itest for.
And then other doctors are more learning integrative stuff and

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saying you know what, I'm going to research this or at least
here's information for you. You go home, research if you
want to take this medicine and the side effects and if there's
other avenues for you, but you do that, you be your own
advocate. And some doctors are stepping in
for patients, but it's rare. So it's one of those things
people need to learn. What does conventional medicine
do and what are they not doing? And that's what we're going to

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talk about more. That's where integrative health
comes in. Again, we're not about replacing
conventional care. It's about filling the gap it
leaves behind. And a lot of people do not know
there's a gap. That's what we're trying to
communicate out there. I might have said this before,
but we should put up a panel up pretty much saying, hey, you do
an asphaganda. These are the side effects.

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I know what they are, but peopledon't versus an actual either a
Xanax or even a like an antidepressant and put them next
to each other, the side effects of those two versus asphaganda.
But people don't know. And that's what we're here to
teach and spread the word, spread the awareness.
That the keys education and the difference where a lot of people

(07:11):
may not like supplements is because a lot of people want a
quick fix, right? You get the people that says,
hey, you're type 2 diabetic, your options are to eat better
or eat bad. Still eat McDonald's everyday,
but you could take an insulin injection.
What do you want to do? Most people say I just want the
injection because they want to eat bad.
So you have the option, just like with certain supplements,

(07:31):
say you do take ashwagandha for anxiety or whatever the complex,
say you're taking that, it mighttake more weeks to get into your
system, get blood levels up for it to work for you specifically
depends on your nutrition and stuff versus them taking a Xanax
that works in 15 minutes, of course.
So it's one of those things people like a quick fix, but

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what does that do to you long term?
Your health? Now you need double your dose.
Now you need multiple depressionmedicines because you're not
fixing the actual root issue. And that root issue, maybe it's
a brain chemical, right? Maybe it's serotonin, dopamine.
Maybe it's you're missing B nutrients in your body.
Maybe you have that gene that you can't process folate and

(08:14):
stuff like that. There's a lot of different gaps
out there that people aren't aware of, but they need to take
that stuff to do functional labsto understand, oh, This is why I
have these symptoms. This is why I have these mood
swings. My doctor may have gave me Xanax
when in reality I was low on B vitamins and my diet was
horrible. Now I fix this.
Now I feel much better. I don't need Xanax but or their

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hormones are off or their thyroids off and their doctors
just saying, oh you're depressedand what caused the depression?
Is it trauma right? Or is it deficiencies?
You have to look into that. That's where integrative health,
we focus more on being proactive.
It's system based. It's not waiting for a
diagnosis. It's looking at the root cause
of the dysfunction before it becomes diagnosis.

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The entire focus shifts for whatcan we do about this to why is
this even happening? As we always say, it's not a
one-size-fits-all. It's not a single solution for
everyone with fatigue or joint pain.
It's about understanding the story behind the symptoms.
For example, let's say someone comes in with fatigue and
conventional care. You might check the thyroid or
iron levels and if those look OK, that's it.

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But in integrative care, we ask are they eating enough real food
with micronutrients? Are they absorbing what they eat
or is there a gut dysfunction? Are there mitochondria, your
cellular energy engines? Are they underperforming?
Are they under chronic stress orburnout that flatten their
cortisol rhythm? Do they have hidden toxic load
from mold, heavy metals or plastics?

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Are all these things that a medical doctor will not ask?
And not only that, on the line of work that I do, it's all
physical. We're outside, we're in the
conditions. If many of y'all don't know, I'm
a mailman. We're walking all the time.
I personally rather be walking than being stuck in a toaster
oven. Bacon as a deliver meal.
Some that I do talk and some that I don't talk to as

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carriers. They're running low on energy.
They're just running on fumes. They're drinking energy drinks
just to get that boost up. Why are they settling to just be
all right and running? Fatigue.
I'm not preaching to anybody about their health or anything
at work because they're startingto know what I'm up to and what
I'm doing here with mindful and some do ask questions and to the

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best of my ability I'll give them not recommendations, but I
won't do like suggestions for them.
Some take them, some don't. If there's something wrong, do
not put a Band-Aid on. It that's people got to educate
themselves, I think that the bigthing would be research, but the
downside of certain research is doctor Google people.

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Oh my gosh. People use Doctor Google and
then that leads to you cut the tip of your finger and next
thing you know you have HIV and cancer from the pain in your
finger. That sounds about right, yeah.
It's easy to become a hypochondriac at that point
because all your symptoms overlap with every other
diagnosis out there. So again, we do not diagnose or

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treat any illness or disease. But on that side of things is
what's the root cause of these issues you're having?
Again, the knee pain. If you took a hammer to the
knee, you know what's causing it.
You need to go hospital, but is your knee pain because you walk
all the time OK? Is it actual issue with your
knee or is it inflammation? You go to medical doctor.

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Oh yeah, take ibuprofen. You need a knee replacement
surgery. Then it will come to us.
It's let's run these labs. You have high inflammation,
Let's address that. Proper nutrition, omega-3, so
forth. Yes.
And next thing, couple months goby, they're like, hey, my knees
not cracking anymore. Hey my knees feel great.
Thank God I did not go and get aknee replacement.
I like to say that I am guilty for that Now, being a mailman

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for 10 years, I would get off the couch and my knees would
just pop and crackle. But now with the supplements
staying on the actual program, doing them every single night, I
don't notice that much. The back pain anymore.
The knee pain, the hip pain, theankle pain.
I'm good. I'm running way better now.
Yeah, well, plus. I think you're addressing your
nutrition, eating more. That no, that is, that is, I

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know now it's I'm like I'm eating way more than I'm ever
used to, but I'm feeling better.I'm feeling great.
The hot days currently, right now they're not affecting me as
much as they would before. Another big shift as the tools
we use and conventional care, you mostly work my
prescriptions, procedures, referrals, integrative care.
We use functional lab testing, clinical grade supplements,

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nutritional therapy, breath workand nervous system support,
detox strategies, gut healing protocols, sleep and movement
tracking. How often have you been to your
medical doctor? And they're like, Oh yeah, let's
run functional labs and let's use these clinical grade
supplements or let's work on your nervous system and breath
work. You never hear that from
conventional. Medicine do the box breathing.

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It's all that. They would never take that
approach. They'd rather give you a
prescription. Take it, if you don't like it,
come back, we'll switch it to a different one.
Not know? Let's try the holistic way.
They never do that. And maybe more importantly, it's
not treatment, it's education. Yeah.
And that's what we do. That's why we're having these
podcasts. Free information.

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Utilize as much and free information as you can.
And the one thing we always say,food tracking, it's one of those
things, it's easy. It's free, right?
Start tracking your food. And then you realize, oh man, I
can't believe what I'm eating orwhat I'm not eating.
No, exactly to episode 39, like you were saying, it's I know a

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lot of people think I'm going toeat less, walk more, I'm going
to lose weight. No, it's not like that.
You need to eat a well balanced diet.
And for me, I feel like I'm eating more cleaner.
And me personally, I'm at a goodweight right now.
What I like to put on muscle. Yeah, but eventually I'll get to
the gym. It's one of those things where

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people always assume starve yourself, you lose weight.
And I was in that mindset too for a long time, years and
years. A lot of diet pills, a lot.
All that struggling to wait until I learned a lot of this
stuff. And then when you think there is
that good book out there, you don't know why I never think of
author's name but eat for energy.
But same even in that book, justbased on research information

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shows you need to eat for energy.
And people that start eating andeating properly, they drop
weight and if you're skinny or ready times you start packing on
muscle or you start toning up, especially if you're skinny fat
and stuff, you start toning up because you're eating more and
properly. And the big thing they say if
you want to really lose weight and look good and stuff, eat.

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Obviously we always say, too is eat protein with every meal, but
get out there and have like protein and vegetables, chicken
maybe in the morning or afternoon or however you do it,
our protein shake, whatever, buthave say, chicken breast and
then a small bowl of vegetables,small plate of vegetables.
And then dinner time have steak and little bit of vegetables or

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chicken and vegetables. They say if you want to get
lean, you eat chicken, Turkey asyour meat source.
If you want to gain muscle or gain weight, in that sense eats
red meat. But yeah, but the key is eating.
And a lot of people think, oh, Ineed to stop eating to lose
weight. That's why I said, you know
what? Again calories aren't always the
enemy. Track your food and see if
you're eating enough and see what you are eating because

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people do not realize what they do eat until they track them.
Oh, I didn't know I had that much chips this week.
Oh I didn't know I drank that much pop this week.
They do not know until they track it.
Then it opens up their eyes and says, oh This is why I'm not
losing weight or your issue. I'm losing too much weight and
I'm not gaining. Well, once you start tracking
your calories, it's all I'm eating 1500, I need to eat 3000.

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I did not realize that until I tracked.
And that was me eating 1500, having a lot of food during my
work shift, being at home. I was not eating enough.
Now I'm eating, feel like I'm eating too much.
But I'm OK because I feel good. My gut feels a lot better.
I know I'm finally taking care of my body how it's meant to be.
Yeah. And it's hard to build a good

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relationship with food. And sometimes it's hard to eat
enough calories, but that's whenyou have to say, OK, how much is
this bowl of rice versus this chicken breast?
I'm getting a lot more calories.So, you know, vice versa, I'm
getting more protein by eating that chicken breast.
Maybe I don't need to eat that rice because of the amount of
calories in there. Or maybe I need to increase

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certain things, like maybe I need to eat rice because I'm
missing so many calories or I'm not getting enough carbs.
And all these people are into that mindset of the kind of
Atkins way of no carbs, Carbs are bad for you.
Where does that lead long term? It it's too hard?
Just if you went strictly hardcore carnivore diet, yes,

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you could do that, lose weight, tone up and everything in a
month or two. But how do you do that over 10
years eating just meat all the time?
Same. How do you do eating no carbs
all the time? It's impossible.
So you have to balance out your nutrition, and there's just more
gaps in your nutrition and you end up with more deficiencies
because you switch to this like,fad diet and now you threw your

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whole body off. No, So we're not here to fix
you, all right? We're here to help you
understand how your body works, are your choices impacted, and
how you support you in real time.
You're no longer just a patient,you're a participant.
This is for those out there thatare listening.
If something hurts, something's bothering you.
If there's an ache, do somethingabout it.

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Don't just try to stick it, justhold off on it.
If it's bothering you enough, itmay or may not come back.
Just keep an eye on it. Just be aware of what's
happening to your body. I know this whole process with
changing with your body diet andtaking care of your body, taking
supplements, there's not an overnight thing.
This is a process that I would recommend everybody to get on if

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they can. We said, when's your health
important to you? People wait to the last minute
or when they're really sick, butwhy be reactive, be proactive,
have a long healthy life, enjoy your everyday, feel good daily
and don't just focus on oh, I feel OK now I'm in a constant
pain this day and this day. I'm not sure if you heard the
other real talk just with burn on there, but like we're talking

(18:23):
to it's so many people like to complain about their health
issues and you would think, here's a card, why don't you do
something about it? Here's contact information,
here's free information. You could go to the website,
download different shopping lists, all that stuff too.
But then we look, wasn't this person just complaining?
They don't know what to buy or how to read a food label.
But the free resources are out there and they're not taking

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advantage of that. So it makes you wonder, do
people really care about their health?
They only care about their health when something is truly
bothering them. If it's not bothering them, it's
just one of those things that's out of sight, out of mind, but
not until something is really wrong with them.
And integrative health is not going to be their first option
because they want a quick fix now.

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Why go that route when you couldstart taking the preventative
main like maintenance right now to avoid any long term issues?
Why let it get bad? OK, You're gaining a lot of
weight and you don't know why. Is it because you're on anxiety
medicine? Is it because you're on birth
control? It's because your diet's wrong.
Is it because your thyroid's bad?
And then you always hear, what did you do?

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Run labs? Oh, yeah, My doctor ran all labs
and said everything's good. Let me see those labs.
These labs don't show anything. The doctor didn't run anything.
Oh, I didn't know that. So now there's different
avenues. There's a lot of research out
there. There's a lot of podcasts out
there that says, hey, you know what, check this.
Check your gut if you have bacteria overgrowth, check your
you're having hip issues and stuff.

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Was it the mattress you're laying on?
Did you go to a chiropractor? Oh, no.
My, I just went to my medical doctor and he just ran basic
blood work and he said everything's good.
I was like, they don't look for inflammation.
They don't look for any of this stuff.
Are you interested in that? Oh, yeah, I want to do that.
And then they never do it. Oh yeah.
I think that's for everybody. But if you either care or you
don't. Exactly And then not to mention
it, yes, we are giving free information recommendations, but

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it's just one of those things don't wait to something truly
wrong and they there might not be nothing wrong with you right
now, but who knows in a couple days.
And as we're talking, thing thatcauses a lot of frustration in
people is the lab results. Because how many times I know
someone felt awful, they got their labs done by their medical
doctor, and their doctors say everything looks normal.

(20:32):
The word normal, That's misleading.
And conventional medicine lab results are interpreted using
reference ranges. But if those values fall inside
that range, you're typically told everything's fine.
But here's what most people don't know is those ranges are
based on population averages, not optimal health.
And again, like we always talk, we want to get people to

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optimal, not just feel OK. And a lot of people don't know
there's optimal, they only know OK.
Geez, it's and it's awful and it's awful to hear when you know
you're fine from the doctor, when you know you're not.
And and that's just because they're not going in deeper into
the blood test. They're only doing just the
basics, not what's really bothering you.

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Especially if you are in a lot of pain or you have a lot of
issues and your doctor tells youeverything's normal.
That's why I think people get frustrated with medical doctors.
Everything looks fine on the labs.
Oh, people complain. My stomach still hurts.
OK, we'll see a specialist. Why do they tell you see a
specialist one? They either don't know that Ave.
or the pain or how to handle that, or they just got to the
point where I'm tired of dealingwith this person.

(21:36):
Let's dump them off on somebody else.
Yeah. My recommendation would be, am I
OK? Should it be all right that I
feel this way even though my numbers say that they're normal?
If you don't feel normal, you got to make it known to them for
them to look a little deeper andthey might not even have an
answer for you. And if you happen to reach out
to us, you'll get better answers.

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Now, because we look more at that root cause, all these
regular conventional labs, they include people already dealing
with chronic illness, inflammation, obesity, and early
stage diseases. So being normal just means that
you're not in the bottom 2.5% orthe top 2.5% of the sickest
people tested. It's not good information.
That's why we look at individualized labs for optimal

(22:19):
levels. All the people that I know right
now are really like, they're allmy coworkers.
I've worked for them since I've been there for 10 plus years
now. Some would tell me, Oh yeah, I'm
fine. I got my blood labs back and I'm
OK. They might be told that they're
OK, but it's just one of those things that I know they could be
doing better. Say we look at functional labs
versus conventional. A medical doctor runs basic
conventional labs. You come back normal because you

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don't have specific disease or you know something wrong at that
point. And then over a course of ten
years, you go back to the doctor, they run labs again and
say, oh man, you know what, you're having all these issues,
your blood's really thick. All these years you could have
prevented that because running functional labs, we could see,
hey, there's a issue here or hey, there's a imbalance here.

(23:06):
It's going to lead into this thickening of blood.
You should take this action now.And they're not going to see it
until it's too late. And that's where the medical
doctor, conventional medicine, they're not going to know until
you actually have that disease. Exactly, and the medical doctor
is only looking for an issue now.
What could occur in a couple of months, in a year.
They're only fixing you whateveris wrong with you right now.

(23:28):
Yep, high blood pressure take a pill when in reality maybe
berberine is what you need. Maybe it's insulin issue?
Berberine is such a beautiful supplement because from your
previous pod. Hopefully people cut that one
too as far as glucose stabilizer, but it's a healthier
fat loss pill. Oh yeah, a lot of people use it

(23:49):
for weight loss. And I think there's a big
disconnect, right, between conventional integrative care,
integrative health. We look for that optimal range,
not just a range, but that optimal levels.
We also consider the pattern of the labs over time, not just a
snapshot, right? That medical doctor pulls and
said, here's a snapshot. This is where you are at this
current state, like you're saying.
And we asked how your symptoms line up with what we're saying,

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because at the end of the day, you're not a number, you're a
story. Here are some quick examples of
what we often see. TSH, thyroid hormone of four
point O might technically be normal, but from someone dealing
with fatigue, brain fog, and hair thinning, that is not
optimal. We look something closer to 1 to
2 range. So conventional medicine, right,

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Looking at 4 point O range and saying you're normal, but we're
looking at that one to two range.
Big difference there. B12 levels of 350 may pass via
conventional test. Your medical doctor may say
you're fine, but you could stillhave anxiety and poor memory
with low levels. Cortisol might appear fine in a
single blood test, but your daily rhythm, especially morning

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energy, can still be totally off.
And that's another one I hear always about everybody's oh,
it's my cortisol. Why is your cortisol a whack?
And that is a trendy word at themoment.
Right now, like everybody, you cannot go a day without not
hearing it on social media. Now let me ask you this, I'm
sorry to put you on the spot. Anybody that has thyroid issues,
what is the supplement package that you would suggest?

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One is why is their thyroid off?OK.
Well, look at that, right? Is it because they're on
medications? Is it because they are diabetic?
Is it because of they have thyroid condition?
There's different things like there's different supplements,
zinc, selenium, iodine, stuff like that.
If you're not sure and you take like excess iodine and stuff, it

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could really damage your levels and damage your thyroid and
stuff too. So you got to know what to
supplement with. But there are thyroid complexes
out there. I think pure thorn, many of them
make thyroid complex where it has the proper nutrients for
your thyroid. But again, we want to look at
that root cause before people blindly take selenium and iodine

(25:58):
and stuff to find out, hey, you're having this issue because
of this. What can the people take to
protect their thyroid? From nuclear plow yeah, iodine
OK, but just. Say myself as what I know right
now, where I currently sit and record with you.
I know I have no issues with my thyroid.
I would just say initially wouldbe that multivitamin that has

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selenium, iodine, zinc, all thatin there.
It might not be a therapeutic dosage that you need
specifically. So say you take a multivitamin,
say you do have thyroid issues or your thyroid's a little slow.
You may need additional selenium, may need more zinc,
may need D3 and all that. Again, at least start off with a

(26:42):
multivitamin to get you on that foundational approach to
understand, OK, I'm fulfilling specific gaps in my diet with
this multivitamin. Now let's see if I improve over
a course of four weeks, 5 weeks,six weeks, maybe I need
additional and then we go from there.
But Tim, you can run labs beforehand.
This is my thyroid. This is my deficiencies.

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Take a multivitamin, run labs again and said, hey, this was
enough to improve my thyroid. Now it's optimal ranges.
Pinpoint the problem right away.Oh yeah, lab tests are great for
any of that stuff. And This is why integrative
providers use additional labs. They aren't part of standard
panels, not because we're tryingto find something wrong, but
because we're trying to understand the full picture.
And I think that's what people think a medical doctor does.

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Look at the full picture. They only get 1/4 of the.
Picture. Oh yeah, his stomach issues do
the scope. Gosh.
What did they check? Does your do you have candida?
Do you have H pylori? Do you have all these things
wrong with you and that's causing the bloating and stuff
or do you truly have stomach cancer?
What is it? And you know what?
They did a scope. Your stomach's fine and then

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you're still in severe pain everyday.
What did that three $5000 bill bring you?
They did a scope. What's the risk of them doing a
scope now? Do you have to worry about
cancer, colon cancer and stuff because they did the scope and
down your throat and all that? Do you have to worry about
throat cancer because they damaged your throat lining?
Because they ran a a test like that when in reality you had
bacteria overgrowth in the gut and it could a three $400.00

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test could have saved you thousands and thousands of
dollars. Not the only thousands, but long
term risk of developing some kind of cancer.
Exactly. You don't know what kind of
tissue they're tearing up from whatever and they're going in
through your mouth or the bottomand.
Heard so many horror. Stories exactly.
So it's just not even to get toodeep into that.
No pun intended, but it's just. That maybe some people like this

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scope, yeah. I don't know, maybe, but it's
just do your own research on that part.
If it's something that you're going to get done eventually,
there's other ways to test. Yeah, not through an actual
probe testing. Yeah, no need to be a victim of
a alien abduction. Exactly.
Yeah, so we might run the commonone.
We always say organic acid test to look at nutrient processing,

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gut imbalances and micronutrientmitochondrial function, AGI map
to uncover bacterial overgrowth,parasites, inflammation in the
gut. A Dutch test for that 24 hour
view of hormone and cortisol panels.
The great one, which was a good test was food sensitivity panels
to catch immune reactions not picked up by allergy test.
The mycotoxin and heavy metals panels to see if if toxins are

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derailing energy focus, immunity.
The heavy metals are a big one out there.
A lot of people don't know aboutand their medical doctor never
brings up heavy metals, but it'stesting a lot of people.
You see everybody with high mercury, high aluminum, but that
leads to fatigue, mental issues,could lead to dementia.
There's so many things because of heavy metals.

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Is it in your soap? It's in your shampoo.
Is it in the food you eat? Now let me ask you this.
Do you think people ever get surprised by?
But what all these deeper tests?Reveal everyone think of you
back with just food sensitivity test.
You look at that. I'm good on food, like certain
things, dairy, yes, but other things like I can't believe
this. I can't have green tea, this is

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crazy, or I can't have bread. That's all that has been an eye
opener for me. I went from eating wheat bread
for so many years that I've madethe switch over to a cleaner
white bread and I feel fine. I feel good.
I eat it every day and I've beenOK.
I feel fine, I feel OK. It's like my body hasn't quite

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shifted to the negative. So as of right now I'm keeping
it. But if I start noticing changes
in my inner body then that's when I start moving things
around. Or I'll wait to the heavier mark
and get retested again to see ifwhatever I did these past six
months have helped me. Or did I make it worse by eating
something different You? Look at the food sensitivity

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test. Easy test to run and it opens up
a lot of eyes. That an organic acid test.
What, you look at so many peoplelike, oh, I have an allergy for
gluten. So who told you that?
The doctor. OK, Doctor told you that you
have allergy for gluten. So you eliminate everything
gluten. Then we run a food sensitivity
test because they haven't been eating gluten for a couple

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years. Oh, yeah, I feel fine.
But it's that you look at the whole picture.
How do you eliminate gluten? I gave up bread.
I gave up all these different things, cookies, whatever.
Then we run the food sensitivitytest and find out they don't
have a sensitivity to gluten. They have a sensitivity to like
the meat glue. They got rid of certain products
anyway. They would have had no issues,
but they gave up gluten for all these years and it wasn't even

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an issue with gluten specifically.
There's different things out there, like the different parts
of gluten, of what makes up gluten they could have a
sensitivity to, but the gluten itself they were fine with.
You don't know until you test and then you see this and you're
like, wow, I did not know that. Just speak about not knowing.
Think about the people that thatgo to the doctor, get the

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regular test, come to us, get anactual in depth blood work
panel. Some might get confused just
because my regular doctor said I'm fine, but you guys are
telling me that these are some of the deficiencies that I have.
How come my doctor didn't tell me that?
Because they're not looking for that.
They just want to make sure thatyour basic bloodline is all

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right and they're not looking indeeper.
I tell people in that scenario, oh, you went to your medical
doctor said you're fine. You went to your medical doctor
and your medical doctor said you're fine in general, right?
And then you're still having allthe stomach pain stuff too.
The other side is doctors have their specialties.
Our specialty is looking for theroot cause.

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If you have a heart attack, you're going to a medical
doctor, you're going hospital car accident.
But day-to-day care, you do not use a medical doctor for that.
That's where integrative care comes.
Be proactive, run the labs. And it's not about running every
test on our son. It's about the right test based
on your symptoms and history. Medical doctor.
Oh, let's run this, let's run this.
Let's do these Mr. is let's do ACT scan of this.

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Let's do the scope. Exactly.
Yeah. And for me, honestly, it's like,
I wonder how often are the how often are the doctors studying
or even looking into these newertests?
They're only like me personally,I guess good thing I'm not a
medical doctor. But if I was and I spent so many
and I sacrificed so many years studying and spending long

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nights and maybe messed up a couple relationships because you
were too busy studying. Once you're in the field, I
don't think people are grown anymore.
They know what they know, and that's that.
Yeah, why would you when you have 100 patients a day?
Yep, you're making money off every test you send them for.
You're getting commissioned backfrom pharmaceuticals you

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prescribed them. Exactly.
You're getting kicked back from the vaccinations you give them.
Why would you need to study whenyou're so full and busy as is
over the five things you specialize in a chest infection,
sore throat, this You're doing that every day, all day long.
Why do you need to learn anything different?
Why would you do research if you're a medical?
Doctor no, it's that's the crappy part about it, to be

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honest. It's just they know what they
know and that's that they're they didn't pay for any
additional. They already might have a hefty
bill. We're schooling.
They're not going to go back to the drawing board just to learn
a whole new set of testings. Yeah, they have no reason to.
And it when you go to your medical doctor and again,
there's a lot of good doctors out there.

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So you go to your medical doctorand it's like when was the last
time you looked at peer reviewedresearch on this pharmaceutical
or this Cancer Research? A big one out there.
Everybody's suggesting fembenzanol and ivermectin for
cancer treatment, for fixing pimples, rosacea, for all these
things. People are using ivermectin, all

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this stuff too. Go to your family practitioner.
Hey, can ivermectin do this? No, it can't.
OK, But the research says it can.
Do you not look at the research?No, I don't have time.
That makes sense because you're just diagnosing sore throat,
pneumonia, chest X-ray. You have an issue.
People low testosterone, they say OK, you're fine for your
age. Low testosterone or no, go to

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urologist or go to a clinic and deal with that, but I don't have
time. I'm not going to research why
you're low on testosterone. None of that stuff.
No fault of the medical providers out there.
It's just what they do and what they specialize in and what
specialist specialize in and what integrative health does.
Like it's totally different. That's why I said nobody's to
blame. It's just different avenues and

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we're here to educate people on the difference.
You don't go buy a new car and you go to Meijer to pick that
up, right? You're going to go to a car.
Dealer and stuff, yeah. So same thing, you're not going
to go to a medical doctor and say, OK, what's the root cause
of my hip issue? What's the root cause of my
stomach bloating? There are not going to research
or know that they're going to maybe send you to a specialist

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that might say the only options.We don't look at gut bacteria,
but we'll run a scope to see if you have cancer.
And then if you don't, there's nothing wrong.
OK, I don't know. I'll send you home.
And you got to deal with that. You're OK.
They're just going to go in there, Look, it looks fine.
Yeah, they don't run any stool tests or oh, you have parasites.
They don't look for anything like that.
What we're after is context. If someone's tired, anxious and
inflamed and their standard labsshow nothing, that doesn't mean

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nothing's wrong. Means you haven't looked at the
right places yet. Just like we're saying that's
the key. Symptoms often show up years
before disease does. We want to catch those early
whispers instead of waiting to your body screaming.
And like we said with the labs, if you keep running and it's
normal, you know there's something not right.
You got to look further into it.All right, doc, I got one for

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you. Which two or three tests someone
should prioritize if they're on a budget?
Step one, I would say start foodtracking.
This way you're not wasting money, you're not talking to a
practitioner, you're able to identify a lot of issues
upfront. Food sensitivity test would be a
second one. So if you track your food for
free, identify if you need to eat more, eat less, eat better,

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then food sensitivity test because you're having symptoms
of bloating. You just want to know what
should I be eating that's not causing inflammation or what is
causing inflammation. That'd be actually test.
Number one test #2 would be thatorganic acid test to understand
if you have candied overgrowth, vitamin deficiencies, different
issues with your stomach in general, neurotransmitters,

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bloating, showing up. Organic acid test good for that.
And another one I'd run in conjunction with those two is a
full lab panel of your hormones and basic blood work and all
that stuff too, just to see, is your thyroid off?
Is your testosterone, estrogen off?
Different things on there. Thank you for that.

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Now, honestly, me getting the food sensitivity test and seeing
the actual real numbers, that was awesome.
It took the guessing out becauseyou no longer have to guess on
that testing. There was foods down there that
I've never had or I've had once years ago and I'm sensitive to
it get tested figure out what's going on.
Like he said, the food sensitivity tracker, it's free

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start there food sensitivity test the the organic acid test,
which is the old test and then get the full lab panel done
tell. All the MTV commercials get
tested. You owe it to your partner.
How old is that commercial? Man, we got to get into
something that a lot of people get tripped up about, and that's

(38:16):
integrative health and how it relates to medications.
I think that's a big one. People aren't sure.
You don't do prescriptions, right?
Of course we don't. But the idea out there is that
you need to work with integrative provider.
You have to choose between meds or natural remedies.
But that's not true. That's not one or the other.
You don't have to go with us or conventional medicine.

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We work in conjunction with the conventional medicine hand in
hand. Again, we're not against Western
medicine. We are.
Let's use them in conjunction. You're on anxiety pill.
While you're on that anxiety pill, let's identify the root
cause of your anxiety. Maybe you need to rebalance the
body for that B complex, and maybe you're on the B complex
for a couple months and you no longer need to take the anxiety

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medication. Exactly.
But there's people out there that assume that you have to be
all natural or all pharmaceutical.
No, not at all. And that's why I said like even
for myself, if there's issues attimes where you have to be in
front of 1000 people doing a live podcast, right, or you're
doing, you're in front of 1000 people doing some kind of

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seminar, same. You're going to have stage
fright, anxiety, whatever. Maybe you take a Propranolol
working with your medical provider and they give you a
blood pressure pill that helps keep you calm while you're
actually doing speaking engagements.
Or do you have issues with anxiety because of trauma and
you need to take a Xanax becausefireworks are going off and you

(39:40):
were in the war before? Exactly.
So there's things you do need, but on our side is how do we
balance your body to help those medications even work better?
Or maybe you need to be on depression medication because
you have a brain chemical issue.You're on 200 milligrams or
whatever each day and based on working on your nutrition and
deficiencies. Now you only need 25 milligrams

(40:02):
a day and you function better. And that was going to be my next
question. How well are you able to blend
the all natural versus the pharmaceutic blending them
together? There's a time and a place when
it always comes up like that. You might need a Xanax just for
a huge crowd. Quite frankly.
This is TMI but anytime when I get super super nervous I got to
go to the bathroom. Then when this is me keeping it

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real. When I was living in Chicago,
when I was young, that's how it used to be.
If I have to go to a job interview, if I was going to a
nightclub, anything like that, Iwould be so sick to my stomach,
the anxiety, and I don't want togo and this then that.
Your body does whatever to try to get you out of it, right?
That fight or flight. So how do you calm that down?
Is it therapy? Maybe you need to go to a

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therapist to understand what trauma you've been through.
Why are you having this anxiety?Is it food related?
Is it because you're so deficient and stuff that your
body's overreacting? Are you stuck in that fight or
flight? Maybe we need to address that
and then others. You do have a true medical issue
to where you need to be on a pharmaceutical.
It's no choice. You have seizures all the time,

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you need to be on medication, right?
You have heart problems, your heart's not pumping correctly,
need to be on medications. You're on heart medications
because of this health condition, heart condition.
Now on the other side, how do you fix your nutrients, your
deficiencies to help balance andlet that blood pressure pill
absorb properly without high dosages of that pill?

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Or if you hear people all the time on blood pressure
medication say they need it because they have heart issues
and on blood pressure medicine not because of insulin like we
talked before is some people have high blood pressure because
their insulins out of whack or their kidneys are off, something
like that. To where medical doctor just
says take a blood pressure pill when it's really not a heart
issue, it's issue with your kidneys or issue with insulin

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and that's why your blood pressure is high.
Store too much salt in your diet, whatever.
If you were to address those things, you may not need that
blood pressure pill or you may not need 5 blood pressure pills.
Because there's so many people. I hear I'm on 4 different blood
pressure pills, three different blood pressure pills.
It's like why? Why isn't the first one working?
Why do you need to take two 3-4 different types to balance your

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body? And what kind of gut issues is
it going to cause you? Oh, it's causing so many
problems. That's why I said, OK, fine,
you'd be on those medications, but how do we support the body
to where you're not on such highdosage of those medications?
And a lot of people, they get onthe proper supplements, proper
nutrition and then you talk to them months down the line and
they're off all medications. You saw that even when people

(42:32):
did that reboot diet or do all carnivore, you hear them say,
oh, I drop weight, I toned up. I am no longer on my blood
pressure pill. I'm no longer on cholesterol
pill and I'm eating meat all thetime and my doctor said that was
bad. But you're no longer eating
carbs, you're not eating fast food, all that stuff.
That was actually the issue. It wasn't that you went all
carnivore. It's you eliminated those bad

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things out of your diet. Absolutely.
Medications can be powerful tools, like we're saying.
They could stabilize symptoms, relieve pain, and even save
lives. There's absolutely a time and
place for them, right? But we're seeing more and more
medications are being over prescribed.
Doubtful explanation, right? You go to your doctor here, take
a pill. No, just do it and that's it.

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Without a root cause investigation, they do not look
and without a plan to what comesnext, just continue taking this
bill. So let's take acid reflux as a
common example. Patient goes to their doctor,
explains their experience in heartburn and walks out with a
proton pump inhibitor, PPI. That can be helpful for short
term, right? That's usually like 15 days.

(43:35):
Do not take beyond that. But if they stay on it for
months or years, it could lead to low stomach acid, which most
people have low stomach acid andthey're told they have high
stomach acid, which in reality they really have low poor
digestion, nutrient deficiencieslike B12, magnesium, higher risk
of gut infections. No one explained those
trade-offs. And more importantly no one

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asked is this person even eatingtoo fast or under stress?
Do they have low stomach acid tobegin with, which is 95% of the
issue is low stomach acid, againnot high.
Are there food sensitivities or gut issues making things worse?
That's one of those things people just don't know.
People are often surprised as symptoms like reflux can come

(44:17):
from too little acid. I actually learned about that
these past couple days. If you're having acid reflux,
instead of taking a medicine that you buy over the counter,
you could be deficient in magnesium.
It is awesome to know that when you hear people, oh I have acid
reflux and I can't eat that or Ican't eat this because of my
acid reflux. But why do you have it?

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Are you eating bad all the time?Because you hear a lot of
people. I have this what do you eat all
day? Long and not to mention some
people just assume you know thatthe medicine is working just
because the symptoms went away. They're just putting a Band-Aid
over the issue for the moment. It's eventually going to fall
off. And if you don't know if under
that Band-Aid, that issue grew to a bigger and now it's the
medicine that the doctor gave meis no longer working and now

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it's worse. Now I have a serious issue.
It's scary. On integrative side we use.
For that specific example, we use digestive enzymes, remove
those inflammatory foods like gluten or processed oils.
We want to improve posture and timing of meals, restore that
gut lining. All right, let's look at the
organic acid test supporting vagus nerve tone to regulate

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digestion. Same goes for mood related
concerns. Someone might be offered SSRI
and it might help, but integrated providers would also
ask are you low on magnesium B6 or how about your mega threes?
How's your gut health since mostserotonin is made in the gut
which people don't understand and I know some people feel

(45:44):
better on SSRIs while other onesit's damaging or they cause more
problems. So again, as individual that's
why you have to see what's rightfor you.
But the other one is cortisol dysregulated from chronic
stress. Is that your issue?
We're not anti medication. We're pro contacts and pro
strategy. Sometimes meds are a bridge,
sometimes they're necessary, butwe don't stop at what can reduce

(46:06):
symptoms. We also ask how do we fix the
system? Yeah, I know a few people that
have been on, you know, medication for a while, and
they'll tell me, yeah, you know what, I need to go in there and
up my dose. These specific prescriptions
were never meant to heal you. They were just, like I said,
already put a Band-Aid on things.

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And once your body starts getting used to that medicine,
it's going to come off. Now I need a higher dose.
If there's a way that people could start somehow blending the
both, blending the natural healing with supplements and
also trying, I don't want to sayeliminate, but start slowing
down on some of those hard medications.
Your body will rebalance itself out where you no longer may need

(46:52):
that. And all goes are you deficient
in certain nutrients? Is that the cause?
People have depression, people have anxiety, people have these
medical conditions and medications can help for that,
but sometimes medications will make them worse in conjunction,
like we're Aldo saying, how do we work side by side with your
medical provider and your prescriptions you're taking to
balance your body and maybe lower your dose or get you off

(47:15):
those prescriptions and maybe need to be on them for the rest
of your life. But how do we balance the body
to make you feel even better? Exactly.
Let's wrap this up by talking about what it's actually looks
like to work with an integrativehealth model.
This philosophy sounds great, but the practical side is where
questions really start. Conventional cares designs to be
quick, standardized and often covered by insurance.

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That's part of why it runs the way it does.
Appointments are usually 10 to 15 minutes.
Focuses on diagnosis and treatment.
It uses narrow set of labels andtools.
The insurance billing dictates the framework.
This model works for triaging symptoms and managing urgent
needs, but that speed comes at acost.
That's really a time to explore the root cause of chronic

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symptoms, your nutrition, sleep and stress patterns,
environmental exposures or long term habits.
Customize whole person protocols.
Very different than what we do here.
Why isn't it not talked about onhow rushed some of these doctor
visits feel? They feel rushed.
You have little time to talk andthat's it.

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I know I'm not the only one. Does it go based on quantity and
how much money they can bring in?
There's a lot of good ones out there, like our family
practitioners. Awesome sits with you a long
time, goes over everything. Open minded, right?
Entire VEDA and all that too. But on the other side, you have
a lot of bad medical doctors outthere that you're just a number.
And let's see how many patients we could squeeze in and how much

(48:38):
money we can make today and how many tests we could send them
for, how many prescriptions we could get them on.
So we can make millions and millions of dollars versus what
we do. Our focus is helping people heal
themselves. That's our goal and I think
that's where we got to get people on track to realize when
is your health important to you and when are you going to step
up to the plate and take care ofyourself?

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A lot of these people, you have family out there.
You owe it to your kids. You owe it to your family
members to live a long, healthy life.
Exactly, it's for the question that I had asked.
Well, not even ask, it's just being rushed.
But how are people supposed to get real help when no one's
listening for more than 10 minutes?
I know there's some people don'tgo back to their doctors just
because it's the same crap again.

(49:21):
It's they're not heard. So it's either they're not heard
or the information is good enough for them.
They don't want to face reality.They want to complain about
health issues, but they don't want to face that if there's a
real issue. Like you're saying earlier, if I
don't go doctor, if I don't run these labs, I'll never have a
health issue or I won't know about it until I die.
Exactly. People got to get out at mind
saying, just say, you know what,I want to live till I'm 85.

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I want to enjoy my retirement. I want to enjoy just growing up.
I want to enjoy life. I want to be successful.
How are you going to be successful if you're on 50 pills
and you can't walk and you're having all these health issues?
You're always in the bathroom, You're always feel sick when you
eat. When are you going to step up
and say, you know what, I'm tired of feeling this way, What

(50:05):
can I do differently? And for us, especially on
engraved health side, the clients that come to us are the
people that are tired of going to their medical doctor or
they're actually in pain and taking it seriously.
Then they come and say, you knowwhat?
I never knew about these tests or I tried everything else.
Please help me. I wonder if it would be
different if the actual medical doctors would say, hey, we do

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these tests that your insurance covers, but there's also other
companies out. If they were to just mention
that out there, there's other companies out there that they
don't take insurance. You got to pay for the test, but
they could possibly get to the root cause.
I feel that almost maybe 90% of the clients would actually go
get the full panel done, even ifinsurance doesn't pay for it,

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just because they want to figureout, OK, I've been coming to
this doctor for years. It gives me medication, it
doesn't work. I come back, let's try a
different Ave. Let's see if the doctor that's
taking it a step further with integrated health could actually
heal me because it was recommended by my actual doctor.
And then we did partner with different physicians out there
for that exact reason to say, you know what some clients,

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patients like us may say, I don't want pharmaceutical, I
want to look for the root cause.And they say, here's a business
card, this is one of our partnercompanies, reach out and they
could help look for that root cause and run different labs.
It's not our specialty. Exactly.
So yeah, integrative care is different than conventional care
in almost every way. The time investment is bigger

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upfront because it needs to be. Most appointments for us are 45
to 90 minutes for intake follow-ups that actually go
beyond checking a box. We're not a 1015 minute follow
up, all right. We do 30405060 minute
follow-ups, detailed health histories, timeline, symptom
tracking, right? Do you go to your medical doctor
and say hey, start tracking yourfood?
You never hear that and long term is much cheaper.

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Even if you compare our upfront cost without insurance, it's
still cheaper and we dive much deeper into your health.
As you saw with food sensitivitytest.
You looked at that and thought, man.
That's I'm still in awe at that.It blew my mind.
I wish all my friends, all my family are willing to do this
test just to see what's going on.
Initially, we asked you to complete intake forms that

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include sleep habits, food patterns, stress levels, and
even past trauma and emotional load.
Why? Because your body history
matters. These things show up and we
understand how you got there, got to where you are.
But this care is also rarely covered by insurance.
That's one of the biggest barriers.
People pay out of pocket for consultations, functional lab

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tests, clinical grade supplements, tools like detox
protocols and gut healing kits. And yes, that financial
investment can be significant, but so is the cost of staying
unwell. Again, if you can't afford to be
healthy, you definitely can't afford to be sick.
That's right. Now, how can people get started
if they're on a budget? Initially food tracking.

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Track your food 710 days, see how you're doing, track it
longer if you can and share thatdata with us if you decide to
come to us. And then we could look it over
and we may need to just say, youknow what, just adjust this for
now or let's just run that food sensitivity test and adjust your
nutrition. Adjust your nutrition and then
tell us there go a month, two months, how you feeling?

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You get better or you're not getting better.
OK, let's run organic acid test.Let's see if it's candy to
overgrowth. Let's see if it's fun, go
overgrowth, let's see if those neurotransmitters are out of
whack, let's see if your hormones are off and go from
there. Right.
Just it's not expensive. When you think about it again,
it's pretty cheap. How many people eat out who
can't spend two $300.00 on a test?

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You have no problem spending 5000 paying your deductible and
coinsurance to run an MRI That'snot needed.
ACT scan that. Now you're exposed to all this
radiation. The research is out there.
I recall from years and years ago people running ACT scan.
One in 37 people develop cancer from ACT scan.
Gosh. So that's very high.

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But it now think if you're running every time you go to a
doctor, my stomach hurts. OK, let's run ACT scan and
you're like, OK, let's run ACT. Scan.
Let's do it again. Yep.
Yep, now the risk of cancer goesso high and now you're paying
coinsurance. Now you owe a $400.00 bill for
this $300.00 bill from this, andit's bacterial overgrowth that
we could have looked at that andsaid, you know what, let's
rebalance the body two months from now.

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You feel fine. So if you do come to any
integrative health practitioner or health coach, always stick to
a plan at least three to six months to see how you feel
after. That's when we like to do that
survey and say, was it worth it?Exactly.
I always hear positive things after a couple months.
Yeah. And to me, it just kills me
because I know there's people out there spending on Band-Aid

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solutions that don't work long term.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
For people just getting started,we always recommend focus on
foundations. Clean up your diet, cut
processed foods, added sugar andseed oils.
Prioritize sleep, consistent schedule, sleep hygiene, light
exposure, go to bed early, drinkclean water and move your body.

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Proper water, not fluoride filled sink water and you know
just non-stop junk water. Drink quality water.
Reverse osmosis, stuff like that, Fuji water, those other
good brands out there. Try basic supplements like
magnesium, omega-3, vitamin D and adaptogens, Rhodiola,
ashwagandha. Track symptoms and Start

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learning patterns. This gets the needle moving
while you work towards deeper testing or more advanced
support. Food tracking I always say is
number 1 and it's free. At least start there and you
could adjust your diet by looking at that.
And that's why I said a lot of people can improve just by
looking at that, saying, oh, based on my protein, based on my
carbs and all this stuff, I'm not eating enough.
I don't have proper nutrients here, or it's not enough variety

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to where I do need a multivitamin.
Now the other thing is talk about mindset, because it's just
as important as money and time. If you expect a quick fix,
you're probably going to get frustrated even with your
medical doctor. You go for that quick fix.
What do they say? Oh, you're having anxiety,
you're having this, you're having stomach issues.
Take this for six weeks, 12 weeks, whatever the doctor tells

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you to get those blood levels upbefore you feel any different.
But you're still getting frustrated because it's not a
fix overnight. If you're used to taking a pill
and get immediate relief, right?You have gas, you take gas X,
you feel better. You still not looking at that
route. But if you're ready to be
curious, consistent, patient, you'll see lasting change.
Integrated health isn't about fixing you, about teaching you

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how to work with your body, not against it.
It requires experimentation, journaling, adjusting, and
showing up consistently even when it's slow.
Honestly, it's all about the mindset, how it plays a huge
role in whether someone succeedsin all this.
So you got to have an open mind,you got to be thinking positive.
I came in it not knowing anything, and I am grateful for

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everything that you've taught me, everything that I've
learned, everything that you andI have both shared together.
But it's just one of the biggestthings for me is the consistency
of taking the supplements at a certain time every day. 9:00,
that's when I take them. When we first started all this,
it was hard for me. But now, once I started

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realizing this is actually working, this works for me.
Let's do it. And I haven't stopped since.
We see so many people that try it and quit after a couple days
and I understand it just sucks taking pills.
Maybe powder works better. That's why I tell a lot of
people people like I don't like taking capsules or I don't
swallow pills. Have a protein shake in the
morning or some kind of shake orvitamin nutrient shake that has

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all the supplements in it or having a fruit smoothie.
Open up those capsules and dump it into your fruit smoothie.
You won't taste it. Mix it well and then now you
took all your vitamins. Exactly.
Now, for people, what should they expect in terms of a
timeline and how they know it's working?
Usually based on symptoms you'llknow, usually it's working,

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starting to feel better, more energy, less bloating and
usually that three month time frame.
That's why we say three to six month commitment usually because
A1 time meeting is not going to help your body rebalance.
It's too short of a time. There's not enough adjustment
there. And if you need to adjust your
supplement routine, we can't do it with just one consultation.

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That's why we say, you know what, do maybe 3 months, six
months of consultations to wherewe do initial intake, understand
what's going on, then maybe run labs and then see, OK, these are
the required, they're recommended supplements.
Let's use these and 30 days. Let's have a call.
Understand how you're feeling. OK, you may be feeling fine on

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the right track. OK, we'll talk again in 30 days.
Keep journaling because we don'twant to introduce too much.
Maybe after 30 days we say, you know what, based on what the
bottle says, start taking two capsules.
Let's see how you feel. And we may need to adjust and we
may get to that point where you've been on B complex for
three months and you feel so much better and your levels are
better. You run different labs and say

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you know what you no longer needthat be complex.
You no longer need that zinc because you're getting it from
your multivitamin now your levels are up or you're eating
proper nutrition to where you nolonger need certain amount of
supplements. Supplements aren't forever,
either. By then, if you get to a high
level of supplementation and then your body's going to
change, your energy's going to change, your mood's going to

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change. Once you start doing that, you
yourself doing your own researchand saying, OK, these foods are
better for me. So then next thing you know,
when it comes to reducing or lowering the dosage just because
you're getting it from a different source, which is
awesome, don't get me wrong. But I'm sitting here thinking to
myself, and I know doctors are successful and whatnot in the

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medical field. And I know they'll see less
patients if they took and invested the same time that we
are and making plans for people the way that we do, like how
much more successful they can be, but literally have one of
those turnabout doors. One comes in, one comes out, one
comes in, one comes out. And for us, we're actually
tailoring a whole system for them, for an individual that

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needs it. We want to help people heal.
That's business, big business and more people.
Once you're on pharmaceuticals now, guess what?
You need to come back or they'renot doing a refill.
You know what, You don't have todeal with that on a supplement
side. And I always think even for
prepping emergencies, that gets bad out there.
How are you going to go to a pharmacy?
You could only get your prescription for so long like we

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did on that prepping podcast. Oh, then the supplement pays.
What's the natural way you coulddo it?
And you could buy supplements, you could stock up.
You could have all these things there.
So you can't get Xanax. You know what, maybe B complex
works just as good for you. And you know what, maybe you
have 10 bottles sitting in your basement or coal storage area.
So emergency happens. You know, I have nothing to
worry about. But it's one of those things,

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it's all about education. And we could get a whole bunch
of clients a day, but our goal is we want to have long
consultations, 139 for consultation, that's 45 minutes
an hour long versus you going toyour medical.
We'd like to have those long consultations that could go with
45 minutes, 60 minutes long and actually understand what a
client's going through versus how many patients does a medical

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doctor see within that 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 10 minutes.
And then each one comes with a prescription and now you have to
come back. That's not what we do, right?
Again, we're here faith-based. We're here to help people heal.
And what comes around goes around kind of thing.
But as we start to wrap things up, I hope this helps.
See that medical care is crucial, very crucial, but it's
not the full picture. If you want to feel better long

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term, you need more than symptommanagement.
You need a strategy. That's where integrative health
truly makes a difference. So here's the bottom line.
Integrative health and conventional medicine aren't
enemies. They're designed for different
things. If you're an emergency, go to
the ER. If you're dealing with fatigue,
brain fog, gut issues, hormone swings, or autoimmunity, you
need a deeper lens to look into that.

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It's not about choosing one or the other, it's about knowing
when and how to use each approach.
If you want to explore this further, check out our
functional lab options, supplement store and custom
coaching at mindfulobjective.com.
We also have 20% off clinical grade supplements for our
podcast listeners. Just go to
thatmindfulobjective.com. Once you get to the website,
you'll see 20% off. Or you could click on

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mindfulobjective.com/supplements.Go there, sign up, and you're
free to take advantage of our discount.
Again, you don't have to be a client of Mindful Objective, but
you do have to create account toget our discount.
And then you're free to order any healthcare products or
supplements, toothpaste, hand cream, face lotion, all vetted
products out there that don't have a lot of these junk fillers

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out. Clean products.
This episode definitely cleared up a lot of questions, a lot of
things that I've been wondering,but I hope it helps someone
listening, realizing they're notcrazy for wanting more than just
taking a pill. We will see you in the next one.
Again, this podcast for information education purposes
only. We do not diagnose, care,
treating any illness or disease.As we always say, ask the right

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questions and know we are here to help.
Even if you do have a general question doesn't mean you have
to be a client. You can feel free to send us a
general question. We'll point you in the right
direction. We do offer free 15 minute
consultations just to point you in the right direction and we're
thinking about doing some free 20 minute consultations just to

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get you in the right direction for the month of July.
So if you are interested, you want to reach out, have a quick
20 minute call to discuss your health issues.
You fill out the intake form, goover that and then I will point
you in the right direction, maybe what supplements you may
need or what tests you need to run.
And additionally, we thought based on those free

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consultations, we will do a discount on the follow up
consultation. And again, this is just to help
people heal. We know there's a lot of people
that are sick out there. And the reason we're doing this
is we're seeing more and more clients or talking to more and
more people that are really struggling.
We just here to help. As always, ask the right

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questions and we're here for you, Tay.
Well.