October 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Heartland Elderberry Farms – Pure. Potent. Purposeful.
At Heartland Elderberry Farms, we are passionate about creating the highest-quality elderberry syrup available today. Founded by husband-and-wife team Russell and Jessica Carter, our journey began with a simple but powerful realization: most elderberry syrups on the market were diluted, overly processed, and lacking in potency. We believed there had to be a better way — so we built it ourselves.
Nestled in the heart of the Midwest, our farm cultivates six unique varieties of American elderberries, grown with care and purpose. From our fields to your bottle, every step of the process is rooted in quality, integrity, and a deep respect for nature’s remedies.
Russell Carter shares the journey of Heartland Elderberry Farms and reveals why most commercial elderberry products don't deliver the potency consumers expect. The conversation uncovers the superior benefits of fresh-pressed elderberry compared to reconstituted dried berries commonly used in the marketplace.
• Heartland Elderberry Farms began as a family beekeeping business before expanding into elderberry cultivation
• Nearly 95% of commercial elderberry products list water as the first ingredient because they use imported dried berries
• Dehydration process destroys up to 40% of elderberry's beneficial compounds
• Elderberry contains unique compounds that protect cells against infection
• Fresh elderberries contain three times more antioxidants than blueberries
• Quality elderberry products should not list water as the first ingredient
• Heartland's syrup contains over 80% pure elderberry juice
• The farm grows six different elderberry varieties
• Elderberry plants thrive in moist soil conditions and are relatively easy to grow
• Pure elderberry juice is quite tart, which is why it's often combined with honey
To learn more about quality elderberry products or to try fresh-pressed elderberry syrup, visit heartlandelderberryfarms.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, how are you?
This is the MindfullyIntegrative Show and this is
Damaris Ryan Grossman.
And we have an amazing guesttoday, the owner of Heartland
Edelberry Farms, and his name isRussell Carter.
Him and his partner and hisfamily have been doing edelberry
since he was young, but hisstory, his farm and what
(00:23):
edelberry is Maybe some of youdon't know what it is and why is
it important and why do I?
I'm a pretty big advocate as ahealthcare professional why you
need it, especially during thesetimes of the season if it's
winter time for you right now,and that you can understand why
people need it for their immunesystem.
But you can go more into that,I know you can.
So, mr Carter, how are youdoing?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Doing well.
Thank you very much for havingus.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I appreciate you being on the show and you know
let's, let's check in.
So what is something thatpeople don't know about you?
They've never, you know,couldn't find you on the
internet.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh boy, you can find anything on the internet these
days.
Oh yeah, so not a well,something that's really not
heavily discussed is, apart fromthe elderberry farm that we own
and operate, we also own acommercial beekeeping operation,
and we've actually been doingthat longer, which is a great
(01:29):
complimentary business for theelderberry, because our
beekeeping business produces allof the raw honey that we use in
our products.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So amazing, amazing, amazing, and it probably just
makes the elderberry taste evenbetter.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And so, first off, do you handle the bees or do you
have you used to handle the bees?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
oh, 100 yeah you do.
Yeah, the, the, our, my beesuit is definitely dirty.
There's an old saying don'ttrust a beekeeper that has a
clean bee suit, the uh.
But yeah, there's we.
We definitely have help.
Now we've grown to a pointwhere point where it's no longer
a one-man operation but there'sa team of us now, but I'm
(02:09):
definitely in there with themalmost every day.
Oh, that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And where are you guys located?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So we are in northern Indiana.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Oh, and is it hard to do your farm in the colder
months, or you just make it workduring the winter?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You can definitely raise bees.
You can definitely raise beesin Indiana and overwinter them.
They do just fine in colderclimates.
I mean there's beekeepers,commercial operations in Canada
even that are very successful.
We do actually transport ourbees by a semi down to Georgia.
In the wintertime it's a littlebit easier for it's a little
(02:44):
easier for them to overwinterfor one and then two.
In February in South Georgiait's already 80 degrees right.
So the build, the buildup, thespring buildup the beehives have
happens much sooner in Georgia.
So by the time they come backto Indiana they're already
really at full strength, readyto make honey.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So oh, that's so neat .
Oh, that's really fascinating.
Okay, so I need some honey, Ineed some metal berry, but let's
kind of talk about what kind ofgot you to that point actually,
to what business and a farm onthis.
So I I'm assuming your familyhas had farms.
What made you get into this?
I mean, this isn't somethingthat the average person would be
like okay, that's yeah, yeahfor sure.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So it really did start with just the beekeeping
business, as we kind of talkedabout just briefly before the
podcast.
We have been a big advocate ofelderberries.
Even as a kid we were takingelderberries.
My parents were doing it Backthen, growing up out in the
country, we just foraged for theberries, right.
They grow wild Almost all overthe country.
They grow wild and there's alot of folks still out there
doing that, which is fantastic.
Just going riverbeds, creekbeds, you know, just out in the
(03:53):
country you can, you can findthem growing a lot of places.
So that's kind of what spurredus to do it.
And then as we, as I kind ofgrew up and transitioned more
into my adult life with my wifeand our kids, we continue to
give our, our family, elderberryproducts.
With that said, what iscurrently in the market is
really an I will call it aninferior product, and the reason
(04:18):
why I say that and youmentioned that you're a big
elderberry advocate- I mean Iwonder if I and my stuff is
probably junk compared to yours.
Now I'm looking at it must mustbe, and we'll talk about it.
So, and listen, so I'm just anelderberry farmer, so like,
don't just, don't just take myword for this Right, so like,
and I tell everybody that wetalk to this is kind of an
(04:39):
educational thing.
There are different levels ofpotency when it comes to
elderberry products, not just inelderberry syrup and the
gummies and things like that,but just in how they're
manufactured.
So on the market today as awhole about 95% of all
commercially availableelderberry syrups whether you
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buy it at the grocery store, cvs, farmer's markets, it doesn't
matter it's literally about 95%the number one ingredient on the
back of these labels is water.
Okay, so it's like, why in theworld would you add water to an
elderberry syrup?
And the reason is is becausenobody is growing elderberries.
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It is such a niche farmingoperation.
There are only a handful of whatI would consider commercial
elderberry growers in the UnitedStates.
It actually is on the rise, butthere's still really really
sparse commercial operations outthere.
But you see elderberry syrupseverywhere.
There are literally hundreds,if not thousands, of small to
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medium to large elderberrysyruprups everywhere.
There are literally hundreds,if not thousands, of small to
medium to large elderberry syrupproducers out there.
Where are these berries comingfrom?
Right, there's not that manygrowers in the United States, so
the answer is they have toimport them.
So they import them fromoverseas, and they come as a
dehydrated berry.
Okay, so in order for you tomake a syrup, the first thing
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you have to do is reconstitutethat berry, which is why there's
water added to it.
The problem with that is kindof a twofold thing.
One, the level ofreconstitution, that rate
there's no standard, clearlywaters it down.
Yeah, there's no standard there.
It's just like however muchwater that you want to add to
(06:26):
your dried elderberries toreconstitute it.
That's what it is.
So you end up with a prettyhighly diluted elderberry syrup
right off the bat.
Two during the dehydrationprocess, you can lose up to 40%
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of the antioxidants and some ofthe nutritional value that's
found in the elderberries justbecause they're dehydrating them
.
So it really is.
It really what I said earlierit's kind of an inferior product
.
If you're looking for a potent,a true full strength, potent
elderberry syrup, it has to befrom fresh elderberries and if
it's and really if it's fromanything, you know if it's from
a dried berry, it berry.
It's really not the best thatyou can get.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
So as I met my wife, we hadkids we kind of continued the
tradition.
Certainly during the cold andflu season we gave elderberry
products.
But just like so many Americansout there, we're like we want
the best right, we want to giveour kids the best that you can
get.
And I remember as a kid makingfresh elderberry syrup from
(07:30):
fresh berries and then tastingand looking at what was on the
market like man, this is notthat good.
Like the taste isn't good, it'snot fresh.
And then diving into it kind ofuncovered what was happening,
like why is all these berries?
Like, why does all theseelderberry syrups contain water?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And then you know it kind of real truth of it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I just went down this rabbit hole almost of
of discovery on on what?
How is elderberry?
How is all these producersproducing these elderberry
syrups?
So my wife and I do have someproperty, so you know, we're
like you know, just for personaluse about six years ago, we've
been doing the bee business.
We had that raw honey.
We've been doing that and soit's like, hey, we have honey,
(08:14):
let's just plant a smallplanting for our family and
we'll just, we'll just grow ourown elderberries.
It was only about 50 plants thatwe planted and immediately when
we made our first batch afterour first harvest, it was like
we couldn't, we weren't eventrying to sell it.
It was like we were kind ofgiving it away to family and
friends and it was like holy cow, like this is amazing in taste.
(08:37):
The color differential betweena dried berry and a fresh berry
is pretty interesting.
The fresh berry is dark purpleLike.
It just looks like it's a fresh.
The dehydrated berries like abrownish color and that actually
is important because that coloris an is an anti antioxidant
that causes that color.
(08:57):
So I think you lose that in thedehydration process, but it
just was like kind of eyeopening, like this is the path
like.
If you're going to take anelderberry syrup, this is, this
is the process that we should begoing through to make it, and
every year since then we plantthousands of elderberry plants
on our property and we haveactually now other farmers
(09:19):
working with us, working withHeartland, to supply all of the
fresh berries that we need forour product.
So that is really how we kindof came to be.
It was like and I think thatyou know a lot of people talk
about starting a business justout of just something they
wanted to do for themselves andthen realize that there was an
opportunity there and there wasa unique product that is
(09:40):
currently not available.
So it's just kind of been a.
We certainly did not set outwhen we first planted our first
berries.
We had not set out when wefirst planted our first berries,
we had not set out to start anelderberry company uh it was
just something.
It was just something that cameto be and was like okay, this is
, this is something that we cankind of go after that's really
fascinating, but I mean it'sobviously successful, you know,
and, but you definitely put alot of literally, heart into it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So you do this day in and day out, but you've also,
if you know, by word of you know, talking to people and letting
them understand your product isbetter.
It's not just and then why isit better?
Like, what is, what's thebenefits of elderberry?
Because some people don'tunderstand that.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, for sure.
So there are a couple things.
One, there are compounds inelderberry that are only found
in a handful of things,elderberry included that will
protect your cells againstinfection.
So if you are taking elderberrywe'll even say through the cold
and flu season you areessentially protecting your body
(10:38):
from the incubation period whenyou come in contact with
somebody that has the cold orthe flu.
So recent studies, they kind ofprove what everybody has
thought for generations,literally that it does shorten
the life of the cold and fluvirus or it stops it from
happening altogether.
(10:59):
So that is the main benefit forthe cold and flu season.
The second thing and not a lotof people understand this is
that elderberry has one of thehighest levels of antioxidants
of any food out there.
I mean it is like any berrythrough?
I didn't.
Actually I didn't know thateither.
It is through the roof, I mean.
So there was a pushback in theearly 2000s for blueberries,
(11:23):
like, oh, you should eatblueberries super high in
antioxidants.
And partially I mean thatcertainly is true, but that is
something that was mass masscommercially available.
Right, you can, you cancommercially provide elder
blueberries to everybody.
So they were just kind ofhelping educate the the consumer
, like, hey, you should takeblueberries because they're high
(11:43):
in antioxidants.
Elderberry has three times thelevel of antioxidants of
blueberries, so so, and thatjust never gets talked about
because nobody, very, very fewpeople are growing elderberries
commercially.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh, so the use of it.
And well, hopefully, that'll,you know, spring even more, but
then you're going to be, you'regoing to be very busy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, right, Exactly so.
And the antioxidants, as youcertainly understand.
Yeah, right, exactly.
And antioxidants, as youcertainly understand,
antioxidants are so importantfor year-round use, really
because it helps remove freeradicals from our body, and free
radicals are the cause of somany issues, from chronic
illnesses, I mean, to so manydifferent things.
So having you know, takingsomething, a supplement like
(12:27):
that that is so high inantioxidant, is really going to
be beneficial for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I love it and you have, so you do like the syrup
and you recommend to kids.
Can kids also use it or iseverybody pretty much?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yep, so they, because , because it does have that raw
honey aspect of it, it is a oneand up right.
So they, they, they did.
They did recently reduce thatfrom a two on the raw honey,
from a two to a one year.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I think about one now, about one can tolerate
the raw, the honey.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yep, so that we have that on our bottle as well.
So it's ages one and up and itcan be taken daily, no problem
at all.
So yeah, we do.
The two main products that wethat we carry is are the
elderberry syrups in severalsizes.
Then we also do sell 100 coldpressed elderberry juice in the
bottle.
So for those that want toincorporate just the elderberry
(13:16):
juice in smoothies or whateverother beverages you want to put
in or take a shot of it directly, we also offer that as well.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Elderberry juice by itself is very, very tart, okay,
so it is not the sugar, almostlike a chair, like a very tart,
because just having it withoutanything in it okay, 100%
acquired taste okay yeah, itdefinitely is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It it's.
It's not something that a lotof people are going to enjoy
drinking straight, just becauseit the level of sugars in it
naturally are very low, so thatis generally why it's made into
a syrups with honeys anddifferent things added to it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But you're more doing it for the overall benefits.
When you're doing the juice,You're not doing it because, hey
, this is like a fun.
You're doing it because you'regetting that quality.
I mean, but you're getting alittle higher concentration.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, the elderberry syrup.
It's north of 80% pure juice,so it is very heavy on the juice
side.
But the kids, for example, youwould be pulling teeth to get
the kids to take the elderberryjuice straight.
The elderberry syrup, on theother hand, it is very, very,
very good.
Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, I mean, I think depending upon the person and
what they need.
That sounds really good.
So what?
Additionally, was there anyother health issues, or did
someone in the family get prettysick that made you kind of go
in this route and have you guys,for the most part, stayed
pretty steady Not that no onegets sick, but have you noticed
your?
immune system is like.
I mean, I definitely see, whenpeople do the vitamin C it'll
(14:45):
vary kind of regimens on.
You know they, they take thatcomponents, they don't get a
sick, but I don't know how is itfor you and what you even just
for a regular family or friends?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, we, you know we've been blessed as a family
to not really have had had anyreal medical issues that kind of
led us down any kind of journeyof discovery to do elderberry.
But certainly one of truly oneof the most rewarding parts of
owning an elderberry businessare our customers coming.
They write to us emails Ialmost wish I would have shared
(15:19):
you had some on how fan I couldshare with you.
But emails, phone calls, justwhen we meet people in person,
if we're out and about like at,at like educational events and
things like that, we're talkingabout it.
It's, it's amazing.
I mean we've had people intears coming to us saying like
thank you so much, like for whatyou're doing, and it's like,
wow, that is really impactful.
(15:40):
You know, again, we did notstart out with the idea that
we're going to start anelderberry business.
It just kind of happens.
So it's like wow, wow, to gofrom you know, you know, kind of
starting just from family, useall the way to have people like
we're literally crying in frontof us telling us their stories,
it's like that's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So it's been really, really cool, it's beautiful,
like the impact that you have toso many families and that
you're trying to.
You know, I mean, granted,we're officially, unofficially
I'll say it builds immune cells,but I mean herbs work back in
the day, you know things do workand and that you know I'm I, I
know the idea of work.
So, and the fact that you'retrying to make a good quality,
you know, and the you know yourfamily building something small
(16:24):
to something great, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Now we're, we're definitelyenjoying the ride and just we're
at this point we're just tryingto keep up with demand we have.
We have planning sessionsaround here pretty much the
entire fall.
We're in.
Okay, where else can we plug insome more elderberries and who
else can we partner with tostart up additional farms local
to us that we can kind of, youknow, buy the berries off of
them and things like that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So Are you guys in the grocery stores?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
yet or not yet.
So we, we sell the multi.
We are not in like any majorretail chains as of yet.
We are certainly working youwill be though.
Yeah, we're.
We're certainly working towardsthat and we have a couple of
different people out theretrying to make that happen, but
right now we sell on our ownwebsite amazon walmartcom.
(17:14):
Walmartcom does carry theproduct oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Oh, so that's big, walmart's huge.
Yeah, yeah, we've been onamazon.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Those are pretty big we've been on what we've been on
amazon now for a couple yearswalmartmartcom we just got on a
couple of months back and thenlocally here to the, to the
Northern Indiana area, we dohave 12 stores that carry the
product.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So okay, but I mean I'll have your information and
your website for to reach out.
What is your main website sothey can go there.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, so the website is probably the best, and I only
say that because it is going tobe the most educational.
Great, so we really reallyspent a lot of time talking
about the benefits of elderberry, talking about, like, why we're
growing it versus buying driedberries, and things like that.
So if you want to understandmore about what we've been
talking about, the website iscertainly the best, best channel
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for you, and that's justheartlandelderberryfarmscom.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Can you grow in the cold weather too, or is it only
summers?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No.
So yeah, elderberry grows.
Like I said, it grows wild, Imean around the Midwest and
almost every part of the country, from Florida to Texas.
I didn't even know Minnesota.
Yeah, elderberry grows wild andthere are certainly different
varieties.
It would be hard pressed totake a Texas variety and
transplant it in Minnesota maybe, and have it do well.
(18:36):
But there are, regionally thereare, different varieties of
elderberry that do well.
But yeah, we, we have no issuesat all.
They they send up new shoots.
So the elderberry plantactually, unlike the european
variety, which is more of a tree, it actually has a central tree
trunk.
The american variety, which iswhat we grow, it sends up canes
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every year.
It's very, very similar to araspberry or a blackberry in
terms of how they're grown,where they just send up new
shoots every year and then theberries grow off of those shoots
.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I wonder you would know more than I on this.
The weather permitting, likehot versus cold, do you think
the colder ones have more of anefficacy or like are stronger,
like a stronger potency, or doesthat not even matter?
And is it depending upon whereyou are, is what is?
Do you need to have edel orjust edelberry?
In general the potencies, ifit's done well, I couldn't even
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answer that to be honest, Idon't even know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't know.
That's an interesting question.
I don't know.
I know that there aredifferences in European
varieties versus americanvarieties in terms of
nutritional differences.
I do know that, but as far asamerican varieties, I'm not.
I really I'm not sure yeah, Imean probably not.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I mean I was just like oh, it was a cold weather,
it's probably major, is it likeeven stronger on the bottom?
Yeah, no idea, but the potencywas amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So yeah, we grow.
We grow six varieties ofelderberries here on the farm,
and so we have some that will goas far as tennessee, so from
indiana, so we'll go as far astennessee, that do really well
in tennessee, and then we alsohave some varieties that grow so
you have edelberry throughoutthe country so now we have, we
have they're all grown here onour farm but, there there are
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six varieties of elderberry thatare grown in different
locations.
Oh cool, we're kind of doingthat almost as an experiment to
see, like, which ones providethe highest yield and which ones
perform the best here.
But I don't know more thananything, more than the cold, it
is the moisture elderberry is.
They absolutely love moisture.
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You have to keep the groundreally, really dry.
So we get this question a lot.
It's like hey, I would like toplant a couple elderberry plants
in my own yard, right, and weare an open book when it comes
to that, and we would highlyencourage any of your listeners
or anyone that asks like, yeah,go for it, it's, it's not a hard
plant to grow.
So that would be a couplepieces of advice.
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If you want to start a coupleplants in your own yard would be
to one that grows in yourregion, right?
So that would be the firstthing.
If you can, if you actually arelucky enough to be able to go
out in the country, somewherewhere you're at and and see an
elderberry, bush, take somecuttings and go put it in your
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backyard, because, oh gosh, youknow that's gonna work I don't
have a green thumb, so I wouldnot be that person.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But uh, I will yeah visit the expert, like the.
Leave it to you guys.
I'm uh, I'm one.
Well, no, don't, don't ask meto harvest maybe a couple basil,
like herb things.
You might see me here and thereno don't ask me to harvest
anything Not going to work,maybe a couple basil-like herb
things.
You might see me here and there, but I don't know.
That is not my forte, butthat's why I asked you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, I tell you, it really is fairly simple.
So it really starts with acutting.
So a cutting is nothing morethan just a part of the cane
that is dormant.
So it grew all summer and then,as winter approaches, it
becomes dormant.
So, whether you buy itcommercially, online or wherever
you're going to get it as acutting, that's the way they
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come, and it could not be easier.
When the ground is just done,being frozen if you live in an
environment where you get thewinter so like in march is our
time when the ground temperaturefinally gets above freezing you
take this cutting and you pushit in the ground.
Done, it's like it's thatsimple, right?
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Because that's all it needs.
It will develop before it leafsout, it'll develop the root
system and then, when it has theroof system, the leaves will
pop out as it warms up, and nowyou have an elderberry plant.
The number one reason whyelderberry cuttings fail in
plantings is because they wereeither planted too late or they
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weren't getting enough water,like maybe there was a really
dry spring or something likethat and they weren't getting
watered enough.
So when they're in that stage,that cutting stage, and they're
developing the root system, theycannot be overwatered.
I mean, they could beunderwater and they're just as
happy.
So it's like really, that's thekey.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Maybe I can do it.
No, I don't think it's in mycards, but I just you know I
can't wait to try your product.
Hey, maybe even you can even doindoor.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
What's it called those indoor farmings too, you
like, and depending upon theweathers, part of those get
yourself and you'd be evenbigger.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, right, exactly, grow year-round.
Oh, yeah, exactly, this soundsawesome.
I mean, I really appreciate youbeing on the show.
Yeah, is there another?
A tidbit of information, or,instantly, you'd like to leave
the audience before you go?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
yeah, I mean.
So, like I said at thebeginning of the podcast, like
you guys don't know me fromanybody, right?
I'm just a co owner of anelderberry farm.
So if you are taking anelderberry supplement, all you
have to do is just look at theback of your own label.
Right, it's that simple.
Just look on the back of yourown label.
If the first ingredient iswater, they're using a dried
(24:01):
berry that's imported.
The second thing is look at therest of the ingredients,
because so many of them it readslike this water, sugar, and
then like, and then it's likeyou know, elderberry, and then
some other stuff, and thenthere's a bunch of preservatives
at the bottom, right?
So don't just take the.
I think the term elderberry isused is now.
(24:22):
It is now getting thrown outthere.
So don't just take that.
I think the term elderberry isused is now.
It is now getting thrown outthere.
So so much there.
People are catching on to it.
You can't walk down a Walgreensor a CBS aisle right now
without seeing the termelderberry on so many products,
Right?
So I think they're just kind oftagging along with that.
But there are levels of potencyand there's levels of
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premiumness.
I guess you should say Quality,quality.
Yeah, quality.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Quality versus quantity, and you know, junk
versus like.
I mean it's just, you get noteven what we pay for.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And you, when you're good, you're going to get good
when you just like and it's youknow that's exactly If you're,
if you're going to take anelderberry syrup, if that's
something that you feel stronglyabout, just who wouldn't want
the best out there, right?
So just look at the look atwhat you're currently taking and
compare it to somebody thatuses a fresh pressed juice and
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and then make a decision fromthere.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That makes a lot of sense.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate your time.
Yeah, oh, you're welcome.
I appreciate the conversation,yeah, so thank you guys for
coming on the show listening,thank you for listening to
Russell Carter and his heartlandEdelberry farm and his little
honey too Not little, but hishoney farm too.
And I just want you guys to,you know, understand the
importance of it, especially asyou get sick and you're trying
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to build up your immune system.
It's a very important plant.
So check out his website it'son the show notes and if you
guys have any questions, reachout to him or reach out to me
and we'll, you know, be glad to,you know, give you all the
answers and the info.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So thanks, guys, and make sure you make it a mindful
way each and every day.
Hi, how are you?
This is the MindfullyIntegrative Show and this is
Damaris Ryan Grossman.
And we have an amazing guesttoday, the owner of Heartland
Edelberry Farms, and his name isRussell Carter.
Him and his partner and hisfamily have been doing edelberry
since he was young, but hisstory, his farm and what
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edelberry is Maybe some of youdon't know what it is and why is
it important and why do I?
I'm a pretty big advocate as ahealthcare professional why you
need it, especially during thesetimes of the season if it's
winter time for you right now,and that you can understand why
people need it for their immunesystem.
But you can go more into that,I know you can.
So, mr Carter, how are youdoing?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Doing well.
Thank you very much for havingus.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I appreciate you being on the show and you know
let's, let's check in.
So what is something thatpeople don't know about you?
They've never, you know,couldn't find you on the
internet.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh boy, you can find anything on the internet these
days.
Oh yeah, so not a well,something that's really not
heavily discussed is, apart fromthe elderberry farm that we own
and operate, we also own acommercial beekeeping operation,
and we've actually been doingthat longer, which is a great
(01:29):
complimentary business for theelderberry, because our
beekeeping business produces allof the raw honey that we use in
our products.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So amazing, amazing, amazing, and it probably just
makes the elderberry taste evenbetter.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And so, first off, do you handle the bees or do you
have you used to handle the bees?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
oh, 100 yeah you do.
Yeah, the, the, our, my beesuit is definitely dirty.
There's an old saying don'ttrust a beekeeper that has a
clean bee suit, the uh.
But yeah, there's we.
We definitely have help.
Now we've grown to a pointwhere point where it's no longer
a one-man operation but there'sa team of us now, but I'm
(02:09):
definitely in there with themalmost every day.
Oh, that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And where are you guys located?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So we are in northern Indiana.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Oh, and is it hard to do your farm in the colder
months, or you just make it workduring the winter?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You can definitely raise bees.
You can definitely raise beesin Indiana and overwinter them.
They do just fine in colderclimates.
I mean there's beekeepers,commercial operations in Canada
even that are very successful.
We do actually transport ourbees by a semi down to Georgia.
In the wintertime it's a littlebit easier for it's a little
(02:44):
easier for them to overwinterfor one and then two.
In February in South Georgiait's already 80 degrees right.
So the build, the buildup, thespring buildup the beehives have
happens much sooner in Georgia.
So by the time they come backto Indiana they're already
really at full strength, readyto make honey.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So oh, that's so neat .
Oh, that's really fascinating.
Okay, so I need some honey, Ineed some metal berry, but let's
kind of talk about what kind ofgot you to that point actually,
to what business and a farm onthis.
So I I'm assuming your familyhas had farms.
What made you get into this?
I mean, this isn't somethingthat the average person would be
like okay, that's yeah, yeahfor sure.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So it really did start with just the beekeeping
business, as we kind of talkedabout just briefly before the
podcast.
We have been a big advocate ofelderberries.
Even as a kid we were takingelderberries.
My parents were doing it Backthen, growing up out in the
country, we just foraged for theberries, right.
They grow wild Almost all overthe country.
They grow wild and there's alot of folks still out there
doing that, which is fantastic.
Just going riverbeds, creekbeds, you know, just out in the
(03:53):
country you can, you can findthem growing a lot of places.
So that's kind of what spurredus to do it.
And then as we, as I kind ofgrew up and transitioned more
into my adult life with my wifeand our kids, we continue to
give our, our family, elderberryproducts.
With that said, what iscurrently in the market is
really an I will call it aninferior product, and the reason
(04:18):
why I say that and youmentioned that you're a big
elderberry advocate- I mean Iwonder if I and my stuff is
probably junk compared to yours.
Now I'm looking at it must mustbe, and we'll talk about it.
So, and listen, so I'm just anelderberry farmer, so like,
don't just, don't just take myword for this Right, so like,
and I tell everybody that wetalk to this is kind of an
(04:39):
educational thing.
There are different levels ofpotency when it comes to
elderberry products, not just inelderberry syrup and the
gummies and things like that,but just in how they're
manufactured.
So on the market today as awhole about 95% of all
commercially availableelderberry syrups whether you
(05:01):
buy it at the grocery store, cvs, farmer's markets, it doesn't
matter it's literally about 95%the number one ingredient on the
back of these labels is water.
Okay, so it's like, why in theworld would you add water to an
elderberry syrup?
And the reason is is becausenobody is growing elderberries.
(05:23):
It is such a niche farmingoperation.
There are only a handful of whatI would consider commercial
elderberry growers in the UnitedStates.
It actually is on the rise, butthere's still really really
sparse commercial operations outthere.
But you see elderberry syrupseverywhere.
There are literally hundreds,if not thousands, of small to
(05:43):
medium to large elderberrysyruprups everywhere.
There are literally hundreds,if not thousands, of small to
medium to large elderberry syrupproducers out there.
Where are these berries comingfrom?
Right, there's not that manygrowers in the United States, so
the answer is they have toimport them.
So they import them fromoverseas, and they come as a
dehydrated berry.
Okay, so in order for you tomake a syrup, the first thing
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you have to do is reconstitutethat berry, which is why there's
water added to it.
The problem with that is kindof a twofold thing.
One, the level ofreconstitution, that rate
there's no standard, clearlywaters it down.
Yeah, there's no standard there.
It's just like however muchwater that you want to add to
(06:26):
your dried elderberries toreconstitute it.
That's what it is.
So you end up with a prettyhighly diluted elderberry syrup
right off the bat.
Two during the dehydrationprocess, you can lose up to 40%
(06:46):
of the antioxidants and some ofthe nutritional value that's
found in the elderberries justbecause they're dehydrating them
.
So it really is.
It really what I said earlierit's kind of an inferior product
.
If you're looking for a potent,a true full strength, potent
elderberry syrup, it has to befrom fresh elderberries and if
it's and really if it's fromanything, you know if it's from
a dried berry, it berry.
It's really not the best thatyou can get.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
So as I met my wife, we hadkids we kind of continued the
tradition.
Certainly during the cold andflu season we gave elderberry
products.
But just like so many Americansout there, we're like we want
the best right, we want to giveour kids the best that you can
get.
And I remember as a kid makingfresh elderberry syrup from
(07:30):
fresh berries and then tastingand looking at what was on the
market like man, this is notthat good.
Like the taste isn't good, it'snot fresh.
And then diving into it kind ofuncovered what was happening,
like why is all these berries?
Like, why does all theseelderberry syrups contain water?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And then you know it kind of real truth of it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I just went down this rabbit hole almost of
of discovery on on what?
How is elderberry?
How is all these producersproducing these elderberry
syrups?
So my wife and I do have someproperty, so you know, we're
like you know, just for personaluse about six years ago, we've
been doing the bee business.
We had that raw honey.
We've been doing that and soit's like, hey, we have honey,
(08:14):
let's just plant a smallplanting for our family and
we'll just, we'll just grow ourown elderberries.
It was only about 50 plants thatwe planted and immediately when
we made our first batch afterour first harvest, it was like
we couldn't, we weren't eventrying to sell it.
It was like we were kind ofgiving it away to family and
friends and it was like holy cow, like this is amazing in taste.
(08:37):
The color differential betweena dried berry and a fresh berry
is pretty interesting.
The fresh berry is dark purpleLike.
It just looks like it's a fresh.
The dehydrated berries like abrownish color and that actually
is important because that coloris an is an anti antioxidant
that causes that color.
(08:57):
So I think you lose that in thedehydration process, but it
just was like kind of eyeopening, like this is the path
like.
If you're going to take anelderberry syrup, this is, this
is the process that we should begoing through to make it, and
every year since then we plantthousands of elderberry plants
on our property and we haveactually now other farmers
(09:19):
working with us, working withHeartland, to supply all of the
fresh berries that we need forour product.
So that is really how we kindof came to be.
It was like and I think thatyou know a lot of people talk
about starting a business justout of just something they
wanted to do for themselves andthen realize that there was an
opportunity there and there wasa unique product that is
(09:40):
currently not available.
So it's just kind of been a.
We certainly did not set outwhen we first planted our first
berries.
We had not set out when wefirst planted our first berries,
we had not set out to start anelderberry company uh it was
just something.
It was just something that cameto be and was like okay, this is
, this is something that we cankind of go after that's really
fascinating, but I mean it'sobviously successful, you know,
and, but you definitely put alot of literally, heart into it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So you do this day in and day out, but you've also,
if you know, by word of you know, talking to people and letting
them understand your product isbetter.
It's not just and then why isit better?
Like, what is, what's thebenefits of elderberry?
Because some people don'tunderstand that.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, for sure.
So there are a couple things.
One, there are compounds inelderberry that are only found
in a handful of things,elderberry included that will
protect your cells againstinfection.
So if you are taking elderberrywe'll even say through the cold
and flu season you areessentially protecting your body
(10:38):
from the incubation period whenyou come in contact with
somebody that has the cold orthe flu.
So recent studies, they kind ofprove what everybody has
thought for generations,literally that it does shorten
the life of the cold and fluvirus or it stops it from
happening altogether.
(10:59):
So that is the main benefit forthe cold and flu season.
The second thing and not a lotof people understand this is
that elderberry has one of thehighest levels of antioxidants
of any food out there.
I mean it is like any berrythrough?
I didn't.
Actually I didn't know thateither.
It is through the roof, I mean.
So there was a pushback in theearly 2000s for blueberries,
(11:23):
like, oh, you should eatblueberries super high in
antioxidants.
And partially I mean thatcertainly is true, but that is
something that was mass masscommercially available.
Right, you can, you cancommercially provide elder
blueberries to everybody.
So they were just kind ofhelping educate the the consumer
, like, hey, you should takeblueberries because they're high
(11:43):
in antioxidants.
Elderberry has three times thelevel of antioxidants of
blueberries, so so, and thatjust never gets talked about
because nobody, very, very fewpeople are growing elderberries
commercially.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh, so the use of it.
And well, hopefully, that'll,you know, spring even more, but
then you're going to be, you'regoing to be very busy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, right, Exactly so.
And the antioxidants, as youcertainly understand.
Yeah, right, exactly.
And antioxidants, as youcertainly understand,
antioxidants are so importantfor year-round use, really
because it helps remove freeradicals from our body, and free
radicals are the cause of somany issues, from chronic
illnesses, I mean, to so manydifferent things.
So having you know, takingsomething, a supplement like
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that that is so high inantioxidant, is really going to
be beneficial for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I love it and you have, so you do like the syrup
and you recommend to kids.
Can kids also use it or iseverybody pretty much?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yep, so they, because , because it does have that raw
honey aspect of it, it is a oneand up right.
So they, they, they did.
They did recently reduce thatfrom a two on the raw honey,
from a two to a one year.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I think about one now, about one can tolerate
the raw, the honey.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yep, so that we have that on our bottle as well.
So it's ages one and up and itcan be taken daily, no problem
at all.
So yeah, we do.
The two main products that wethat we carry is are the
elderberry syrups in severalsizes.
Then we also do sell 100 coldpressed elderberry juice in the
bottle.
So for those that want toincorporate just the elderberry
(13:16):
juice in smoothies or whateverother beverages you want to put
in or take a shot of it directly, we also offer that as well.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Elderberry juice by itself is very, very tart, okay,
so it is not the sugar, almostlike a chair, like a very tart,
because just having it withoutanything in it okay, 100%
acquired taste okay yeah, itdefinitely is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It it's.
It's not something that a lotof people are going to enjoy
drinking straight, just becauseit the level of sugars in it
naturally are very low, so thatis generally why it's made into
a syrups with honeys anddifferent things added to it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But you're more doing it for the overall benefits.
When you're doing the juice,You're not doing it because, hey
, this is like a fun.
You're doing it because you'regetting that quality.
I mean, but you're getting alittle higher concentration.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, the elderberry syrup.
It's north of 80% pure juice,so it is very heavy on the juice
side.
But the kids, for example, youwould be pulling teeth to get
the kids to take the elderberryjuice straight.
The elderberry syrup, on theother hand, it is very, very,
very good.
Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, I mean, I think depending upon the person and
what they need.
That sounds really good.
So what?
Additionally, was there anyother health issues, or did
someone in the family get prettysick that made you kind of go
in this route and have you guys,for the most part, stayed
pretty steady Not that no onegets sick, but have you noticed
your?
immune system is like.
I mean, I definitely see, whenpeople do the vitamin C it'll
(14:45):
vary kind of regimens on.
You know they, they take thatcomponents, they don't get a
sick, but I don't know how is itfor you and what you even just
for a regular family or friends?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, we, you know we've been blessed as a family
to not really have had had anyreal medical issues that kind of
led us down any kind of journeyof discovery to do elderberry.
But certainly one of truly oneof the most rewarding parts of
owning an elderberry businessare our customers coming.
They write to us emails Ialmost wish I would have shared
(15:19):
you had some on how fan I couldshare with you.
But emails, phone calls, justwhen we meet people in person,
if we're out and about like at,at like educational events and
things like that, we're talkingabout it.
It's, it's amazing.
I mean we've had people intears coming to us saying like
thank you so much, like for whatyou're doing, and it's like,
wow, that is really impactful.
(15:40):
You know, again, we did notstart out with the idea that
we're going to start anelderberry business.
It just kind of happens.
So it's like wow, wow, to gofrom you know, you know, kind of
starting just from family, useall the way to have people like
we're literally crying in frontof us telling us their stories,
it's like that's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So it's been really, really cool, it's beautiful,
like the impact that you have toso many families and that
you're trying to.
You know, I mean, granted,we're officially, unofficially
I'll say it builds immune cells,but I mean herbs work back in
the day, you know things do workand and that you know I'm I, I
know the idea of work.
So, and the fact that you'retrying to make a good quality,
you know, and the you know yourfamily building something small
(16:24):
to something great, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Now we're, we're definitelyenjoying the ride and just we're
at this point we're just tryingto keep up with demand we have.
We have planning sessionsaround here pretty much the
entire fall.
We're in.
Okay, where else can we plug insome more elderberries and who
else can we partner with tostart up additional farms local
to us that we can kind of, youknow, buy the berries off of
them and things like that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So Are you guys in the grocery stores?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
yet or not yet.
So we, we sell the multi.
We are not in like any majorretail chains as of yet.
We are certainly working youwill be though.
Yeah, we're.
We're certainly working towardsthat and we have a couple of
different people out theretrying to make that happen, but
right now we sell on our ownwebsite amazon walmartcom.
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Walmartcom does carry theproduct oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Oh, so that's big, walmart's huge.
Yeah, yeah, we've been onamazon.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Those are pretty big we've been on what we've been on
amazon now for a couple yearswalmartmartcom we just got on a
couple of months back and thenlocally here to the, to the
Northern Indiana area, we dohave 12 stores that carry the
product.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So okay, but I mean I'll have your information and
your website for to reach out.
What is your main website sothey can go there.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, so the website is probably the best, and I only
say that because it is going tobe the most educational.
Great, so we really reallyspent a lot of time talking
about the benefits of elderberry, talking about, like, why we're
growing it versus buying driedberries, and things like that.
So if you want to understandmore about what we've been
talking about, the website iscertainly the best, best channel
(18:06):
for you, and that's justheartlandelderberryfarmscom.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Can you grow in the cold weather too, or is it only
summers?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No.
So yeah, elderberry grows.
Like I said, it grows wild, Imean around the Midwest and
almost every part of the country, from Florida to Texas.
I didn't even know Minnesota.
Yeah, elderberry grows wild andthere are certainly different
varieties.
It would be hard pressed totake a Texas variety and
transplant it in Minnesota maybe, and have it do well.
(18:36):
But there are, regionally thereare, different varieties of
elderberry that do well.
But yeah, we, we have no issuesat all.
They they send up new shoots.
So the elderberry plantactually, unlike the european
variety, which is more of a tree, it actually has a central tree
trunk.
The american variety, which iswhat we grow, it sends up canes
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every year.
It's very, very similar to araspberry or a blackberry in
terms of how they're grown,where they just send up new
shoots every year and then theberries grow off of those shoots
.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I wonder you would know more than I on this.
The weather permitting, likehot versus cold, do you think
the colder ones have more of anefficacy or like are stronger,
like a stronger potency, or doesthat not even matter?
And is it depending upon whereyou are, is what is?
Do you need to have edel orjust edelberry?
In general the potencies, ifit's done well, I couldn't even
(19:31):
answer that to be honest, Idon't even know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't know.
That's an interesting question.
I don't know.
I know that there aredifferences in European
varieties versus americanvarieties in terms of
nutritional differences.
I do know that, but as far asamerican varieties, I'm not.
I really I'm not sure yeah, Imean probably not.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I mean I was just like oh, it was a cold weather,
it's probably major, is it likeeven stronger on the bottom?
Yeah, no idea, but the potencywas amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So yeah, we grow.
We grow six varieties ofelderberries here on the farm,
and so we have some that will goas far as tennessee, so from
indiana, so we'll go as far astennessee, that do really well
in tennessee, and then we alsohave some varieties that grow so
you have edelberry throughoutthe country so now we have, we
have they're all grown here onour farm but, there there are
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six varieties of elderberry thatare grown in different
locations.
Oh cool, we're kind of doingthat almost as an experiment to
see, like, which ones providethe highest yield and which ones
perform the best here.
But I don't know more thananything, more than the cold, it
is the moisture elderberry is.
They absolutely love moisture.
(20:41):
You have to keep the groundreally, really dry.
So we get this question a lot.
It's like hey, I would like toplant a couple elderberry plants
in my own yard, right, and weare an open book when it comes
to that, and we would highlyencourage any of your listeners
or anyone that asks like, yeah,go for it, it's, it's not a hard
plant to grow.
So that would be a couplepieces of advice.
(21:05):
If you want to start a coupleplants in your own yard would be
to one that grows in yourregion, right?
So that would be the firstthing.
If you can, if you actually arelucky enough to be able to go
out in the country, somewherewhere you're at and and see an
elderberry, bush, take somecuttings and go put it in your
(21:27):
backyard, because, oh gosh, youknow that's gonna work I don't
have a green thumb, so I wouldnot be that person.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But uh, I will yeah visit the expert, like the.
Leave it to you guys.
I'm uh, I'm one.
Well, no, don't, don't ask meto harvest maybe a couple basil,
like herb things.
You might see me here and thereno don't ask me to harvest
anything Not going to work,maybe a couple basil-like herb
things.
You might see me here and there, but I don't know.
That is not my forte, butthat's why I asked you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, I tell you, it really is fairly simple.
So it really starts with acutting.
So a cutting is nothing morethan just a part of the cane
that is dormant.
So it grew all summer and then,as winter approaches, it
becomes dormant.
So, whether you buy itcommercially, online or wherever
you're going to get it as acutting, that's the way they
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come, and it could not be easier.
When the ground is just done,being frozen if you live in an
environment where you get thewinter so like in march is our
time when the ground temperaturefinally gets above freezing you
take this cutting and you pushit in the ground.
Done, it's like it's thatsimple, right?
(22:32):
Because that's all it needs.
It will develop before it leafsout, it'll develop the root
system and then, when it has theroof system, the leaves will
pop out as it warms up, and nowyou have an elderberry plant.
The number one reason whyelderberry cuttings fail in
plantings is because they wereeither planted too late or they
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weren't getting enough water,like maybe there was a really
dry spring or something likethat and they weren't getting
watered enough.
So when they're in that stage,that cutting stage, and they're
developing the root system, theycannot be overwatered.
I mean, they could beunderwater and they're just as
happy.
So it's like really, that's thekey.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Maybe I can do it.
No, I don't think it's in mycards, but I just you know I
can't wait to try your product.
Hey, maybe even you can even doindoor.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
What's it called those indoor farmings too, you
like, and depending upon theweathers, part of those get
yourself and you'd be evenbigger.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, right, exactly, grow year-round.
Oh, yeah, exactly, this soundsawesome.
I mean, I really appreciate youbeing on the show.
Yeah, is there another?
A tidbit of information, or,instantly, you'd like to leave
the audience before you go?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
yeah, I mean.
So, like I said at thebeginning of the podcast, like
you guys don't know me fromanybody, right?
I'm just a co owner of anelderberry farm.
So if you are taking anelderberry supplement, all you
have to do is just look at theback of your own label.
Right, it's that simple.
Just look on the back of yourown label.
If the first ingredient iswater, they're using a dried
(24:01):
berry that's imported.
The second thing is look at therest of the ingredients,
because so many of them it readslike this water, sugar, and
then like, and then it's likeyou know, elderberry, and then
some other stuff, and thenthere's a bunch of preservatives
at the bottom, right?
So don't just take the.
I think the term elderberry isused is now.
(24:22):
It is now getting thrown outthere.
So don't just take that.
I think the term elderberry isused is now.
It is now getting thrown outthere.
So so much there.
People are catching on to it.
You can't walk down a Walgreensor a CBS aisle right now
without seeing the termelderberry on so many products,
Right?
So I think they're just kind oftagging along with that.
But there are levels of potencyand there's levels of
(24:44):
premiumness.
I guess you should say Quality,quality.
Yeah, quality.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Quality versus quantity, and you know, junk
versus like.
I mean it's just, you get noteven what we pay for.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And you, when you're good, you're going to get good
when you just like and it's youknow that's exactly If you're,
if you're going to take anelderberry syrup, if that's
something that you feel stronglyabout, just who wouldn't want
the best out there, right?
So just look at the look atwhat you're currently taking and
compare it to somebody thatuses a fresh pressed juice and
(25:17):
and then make a decision fromthere.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That makes a lot of sense.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate your time.
Yeah, oh, you're welcome.
I appreciate the conversation,yeah, so thank you guys for
coming on the show listening,thank you for listening to
Russell Carter and his heartlandEdelberry farm and his little
honey too Not little, but hishoney farm too.
And I just want you guys to,you know, understand the
importance of it, especially asyou get sick and you're trying
(25:39):
to build up your immune system.
It's a very important plant.
So check out his website it'son the show notes and if you
guys have any questions, reachout to him or reach out to me
and we'll, you know, be glad to,you know, give you all the
answers and the info.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So thanks, guys, and make sure you make it a mindful
way each and every day.
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