February 28, 2025 • 31 mins
What if you could revolutionize your pet's health with simple, natural remedies? Join us on the Mindfully Integrative Show for an eye-opening discussion with Dr. Robert Silver, a pioneer in integrative veterinary medicine. Dr. Silver shares his compelling journey from conventional veterinary practices to embracing a holistic approach that includes diet, herbal medicine, acupuncture, and nutraceuticals. Listen as he recounts his experiences and insights, emphasizing the foundational role of diet and nutrition in pet health. Learn how he took his frustration with traditional treatments and turned it into a mission to offer more effective, natural solutions for pets.
Mushroom enthusiasts, this one's for you! In a fascinating segment with Joni, we explore the incredible benefits of medicinal mushrooms like lion's mane and cordyceps. Discover how these natural wonders can boost cognition, energy, and lung health for both humans and pets. Dr. Silver dives deep into the biological connection between humans and fungi, explaining the science behind why mushrooms are so effective in enhancing our immune systems. Gain a new appreciation for the evolutionary relationship we share with these powerful organisms and the significant health benefits they bring.
Finally, we touch on the unique virtues of Reishi mushrooms, known for their mood-enhancing and sleep-improving properties. Through personal stories and expert recommendations, you'll learn how incorporating Reishi into your daily routine can lead to better sleep and overall well-being. We conclude with a heartfelt discussion on the importance of educating veterinarians through online communities, aiming to create a ripple effect that benefits countless animals and their owners. This episode is packed with valuable insights and practical tips, ensuring you walk away with actionable knowledge to improve the health of your pets—and maybe even yourself.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, how are you?
This is Damaris Maria Grossman,and this is the Mindfully
Integrative Show, and today wehave an amazing mindful chat
with Dr Robert Silver.
He is a veterinarianintegrative veterinarian and I
am so excited for him to be onthe show because I think it's a
perspective that people don'teven realize.
What you do for your animals isalso a reflection in your
(00:22):
health and in your therapy foryourself.
So I think it's so cool to knowthat you can help them too, and
I can't wait for his insightfor you guys to understand that
there is another way than justthe typical.
So thanks so much, dr RobertSilver, for being on, and and
Joni also, thanks again.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, so chat with me , tell me what I say is a little
fun fact that people may notknow about you um.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm a lover of bluegrass music oh nice, oh cool
.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So where are you?
Um?
Do you play?
Do you like the banjo?
Do you have a certain like?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I do, I do play guitar, although not so good
anymore, but um, that's prettygood on it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then do you go to like events and festivals.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I do such as I'm.
I have the time to do it, butyeah, there's a.
There's one bluegrass festivalclose to me that I try to go to
every year.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, nice, nice, All right, I know, are you done?
Are you kind of more in yourtime of, more relaxed, or are
you always still pretty, prettybusy?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm pretty busy .
I guess you would say there's alot of things I have to do
before I pass from this world.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh no, I think we should always be steady, right,
at least Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So talk to me about you know you have such an
amazing career in theintegrative health space and as
a veterinarian, and what madeyou kind of change from the
conventional way, as I say it,in your world of medicine and
then you know to help animalsand creatures in a different way
.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I could probably sum that up in one word why I made
the switch, or what got meinterested in finding something
different Frustration.
Frustration, with patients notresponding to the treatments
that I had been taught forconditions that they have which
are quite a bit more complicatedthan most protocols allow, for
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it's these chronic diseasepatients, these patients with
diabetes, these patients withmultiple chronic problems all at
the same time, all in the sameanimal.
And you know, I thinkconventional medicine has an
awful lot to offer and I thinkit's got a lot of value.
But I think conventionalmedicine has an awful lot to
offer and I think it's got a lotof value, but I think it needs
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to be used in the right time, inthe right place, in the right
way, and I think that there aresome types of diseases and
conditions that are more complexthan really what conventional
medicine, at this point in time,is able to manage in an
effective, long-term, adverse,event-free fashion.
So that's what set me looking,and the first place I looked at
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was diet and nutrition, which,as we all know, is really the
foundation of all life.
You don't eat, you don't live.
You don't eat well, you don'tlive well.
So I started looking at.
You know how we can better feedour pets and you know when you
look at what the business modelis for feeding pets, which is
this highly processed and verynutrient restricted types of
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foods that are, admittedly,feeding millions more dogs than
are when we probably would beable to with just table scraps
alone.
But there are some failings inthis diet which can also create
some of these chronic problemsthat we see.
So I started with diet and Istarted teaching home prepared
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meals to my clients and and allI did was change from a
commercial food to a homeprepared meal and we started
seeing some improvements whenthey were not improving prior to
that.
I have an interest inbackpacking and survivalism, so
I started learning about edible,wild and edible plants and wild
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and edible mushrooms and thingslike that, and so I could feed
myself when I'm backpacking.
And then when I was in vetschool, we had a class on
poisonous plants, you know,pretty much for cattle and
horses and stuff, but animalsare out foraging and it kind of
all put together plants could bepoisonous, plants can be edible
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, you know.
And then the next logicallocation is oh, plants can also
have some healing properties too.
So I started studying herbalmedicine, I learned how to
identify plants and learned howto make medicines and I learned
how to start using them and Istarted seeing successes there.
So you know, just kind of builton each other.
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Finally, I was able to affordthe cost of the acupuncture
training, the veterinaryacupuncture training, and I took
that and you know, I just keptadding on the trainings and the
experiences and built me to theplace in my career where I am
now, which is relativelyexperienced, although still
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certainly not able to solve allthe problems that are out there,
because there's somecomplicated medical problems,
and so that's kind of whatbrought me my love of herbs and
living things as naturalremedies.
That was kind of a naturalevolution to go to becoming a
veterinary herbalist.
I'm currently president of theAmerican College of Veterinary
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Botanical Medicine.
We are trying to create atraining, an advanced training
program for veterinarians there.
And it also got my interest innutraceuticals, which are
basically supplements andextracts, and my interest in
mushrooms, you know, which is alogical outcropping of food and
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medicines and everything else.
And so that's how Joni and Icome to visit with you is Joni
and I are the pet side of RealMushrooms, which is a Canadian
company that both cultivates themedicinal mushrooms under USDA
organic standards and extractsthem according to scientific
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principles to make the activeingredients more bioavailable.
But we also make the products,and so I'm currently working on
I'm only getting started with aline of products specifically
for pets.
Real Mushrooms has been makingmushrooms for human use for
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eight years now, and theirparent company has been
cultivating the mushrooms for 40years, so-.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh, that's interesting, and I knew that was
part of your because I didn'trealize how involved you were on
it.
And I think that the part I wastelling someone is that I
started actually using like awild mushroom blend and organic
lion's mane.
In addition and I'm not amushroom fan, right, but I
realized so as an integratedprovider, I understood, as I was
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learning from your knowledge ofherbs, and I said I have to
have mushrooms in my diet.
I got to do it, even if I don'tlike it, right, and I said this
is something I needed.
So I had to find a blend Um, Idon't know if my blends
personally that great, but Iknow that I've seen effects of
just in my, my immunity alone,and and I bet you can give me
even more insight on thatbecause, um, and then to bring
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it to the animals, that's,that's, it's pretty awesome,
cause it just says what I'mdoing for myself, then can then
relate it to these animals.
So I think it makes sense.
It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, it does.
Really.
It's common sense, but notcommon.
I'm not really in with eatingmushrooms.
There's no reason why you can'tstill avail yourself of the
values of mushrooms throughmushrooms as supplements.
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You know, because they'vereally extracted all the good
stuff from the mushrooms.
They put them in a littlecapsule so you don't even have
to taste the crap.
Have to taste the crap, youknow, and you can get exactly
what you want.
What you need for your immunesystem, for your nervous system,
for your digestive system,whatever and that's clearly what
Joni and I are working on isdeveloping uses of the mushrooms
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for pets, for a variety ofthings, and trying to do it in a
way that we educate thepractitioners about it and we
give help to the pet parents aswell, without making too many
blatant medical claims.
We have to be careful aboutthat.
Although they do have very goodmedicinal properties, we can't
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really say that based onregulatory issues.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Of course, of course, but I'm saying as a provider,
as a person that was not intothe mushroom thing.
I'm a believer and I just it'sjust the research and when you
identify the important, like thebenefits of it versus these
other things that are out therebeing offered, you're just like
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the world needs to understand.
So how, exactly, with animalsNow, do you have them put it in
their food?
Is it a tincture or is it avariety of different?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, it's dependent on the animal, you know, and
there's different levels ofpalatability and preference for
taste within dogs and especiallywithin cats, on horses, you
know, and probably pocket pets,and birds too, if you have those
varieties in your household.
So, um, we so that.
(09:56):
So the first thing that I didwas I took the, the human
mushroom um formulations and Iput them in smaller capsules.
You, that makes it easy forpets that aren't very fond of a
mushroom taste, and a couple ofmushrooms are pretty bitter, you
know, and some people likebitterness, some people don't,
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most pets don't, but some do,you know.
So we put them in capsules.
We give people choices, so wehave capsules, we also have, and
the capsules are all labeled.
The human products are also inpouches, so they're bulk and
those can also be given to theanimals.
They're not labeled for theanimals but they can be given to
the animals and we're givinginstructions as far as how much
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to give for certain kinds ofoutcomes.
I've just I formulated two softchews.
Are you familiar with the softchew model of pet supplement or
pet treat?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I have seen them.
I just haven't used them enoughLike I've seen them available.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
They're very popular.
The dogs certainly like them.
Some cats will actually eatthem as well, and it kind of
gives you an opportunity to mixsome things together, more than
just mushrooms that would allhave one purpose, and maybe use
some, some palatants, someflavorants to make it something
that a, an animal would, wouldtake as a treat, makes the whole
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medicine giving process so mucheasier.
Because that's because we knowin veterinary medicine that the
big that you know, when you sendthem home with that bottle of
capsules, they may not beactually getting it, because
it's such a hassle to chase downthe animal so and get them to
take the capsule, or hide it insome food they might be clever,
you know or you open it up andput in the food.
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That might be too bitter.
So we have, we have beenworking with all the different
ways that we can create thesemedicine, these, these products
to be acceptable to this animalor that animal.
One way or one way or the other, we'll get it in them, you know
, and mushrooms are very similarto each other in that they
contain the similar activeingredients.
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You know like there's somethingcalled beta glucans.
Betaucans are these structuralcomponents and the mushroom cell
wall gives it strength.
But it turns out that thebeta-glucans will signal human
and animal immune systems towake up and be more vigilant,
will help to train the immunesystem to be better at what it
does.
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So you know they all have thatsame immune modulating
properties but they also havedifferences in their
beta-glucans, which gives someof them more potency for some
conditions, like turkey tailmushroom Maybe you've heard of
that mushroom.
It has the highest percentage ofbeta-glucans in it which
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historically and traditionallyit has been used for cancer
because it's got morebeta-glucans to do more better
for the immune system to battlethe cancer.
Because that's really what thebeta-glucans do is they build up
the immune system, let the bodydeal with that problem itself.
On the other hand, you mighthave a mushroom like, let's say,
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lion's mane, which also has thebeta-glucans in it, but it has
other molecules in it, as allother mushrooms do, other than
the beta glucans, calledtriterpenes.
These are terpenes.
Like you squeeze a lemon, yousmell that lemon.
That's a monoterpene.
So terpenes and mushrooms arelarger, more complex, not as
volatile, and they can interfacewith our nervous system to
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create the calmness that maybeyou're feeling with the lion's
mane.
We also know that lion's manecan be very helpful for memory.
That's one reason it's the mostpopular mushroom in America
today.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Oh, yeah, that one, and I think I have some multi
one, but you would probably knowthe best, I think.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, a lot of choices out there, you know, and
many of them are really goodchoices.
You know, so, you know.
So we have the terpenes in themushrooms.
So what I'm saying is mushroomsare very similar, but they also
have individual differences.
So Joni and I are reallygetting obsessed over this whole
thing.
We really love mushrooms.
Joni's been quiet.
We should let her talk, becauseshe has so much to contribute.
(14:04):
I know, I know, I know She'drather have me talk.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, I'm fascinated listening to you, Dr Silver, so
yeah, I am equally fascinated.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I would love for you to talk, Joni, and I apologize I
didn't give you a good fullintroduction, but I want to make
sure you guys are both.
Joni is one of the mostpassionate people I know, about
mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I get this contact high from her excitement about
mushrooms so we do need to seeget her to talk a little bit
about them.
But so I was just saying sowe're really what we're getting
into is filtering out eachmushroom individually and
helping pet parents understandhow it might help or might not
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help their pet's condition.
And that's really because, youknow, the most common question
we get like when we go to showsand things and have our little
booth stuff is what's it for?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know, and it's obvious, that's what we need to
detail people on People need toknow, because I tell you, I had
no clue and I only knew, knew,like you said, the lion's mane
for focus.
And then I'm taking this multiother one, the other than I know
it's immune modulation kind ofthing and, like you could ask me
, I have no idea which.
I know some coricep andreishi's in there and I'm like
(15:19):
you would I need to, I needdefinitely a recap and
understand and I will pop inhere now.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Then I.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I was hoping you'd talk about synergy with the
plans of mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, well, there's definitely a synergy, but what I
was going to say is one of themost challenging aspects of
mushrooms is picking out whichone to use and, like Dr Silver
said, you know Rob often saysthere's a mushroom for that and
there is, but there's also.
Mushrooms do very similarthings.
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Like all mushrooms areanti-inflammatory.
You know all the medicinalmushrooms are also
anti-neoplastic.
You know they're immunemodulating, so you know when
you're looking at which one touse for a case, that's where
things get really, reallycomplicated.
But the fact of the matter is,no matter which mushroom you use
, you're going to hit the target.
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You know you might want to gofor more of a bullseye, and
that's where you know certainmushrooms, like lion's mane,
like y'all were already talkingabout, or cordyceps, which is
the zombie mushroom that is verypopular right now because the
show the Last of Us came out.
But cordyceps is an adaptogen.
It's excellent for energy.
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It also has an affinity for thelungs and for the kidneys.
The lion's mane, like you andRob were saying, excellent for
cognition, for any kind ofmemory issues, very calming.
Reishi is also an excellentmushroom for sleep.
It's also got incredibleanti-cancer properties and there
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are many veterinarians thatbelieve that mushrooms work best
in synergy.
Where combining the mushroomstogether enhances, is almost.
Would you describe that like anentourage effect.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I think the use of the word entourage effect is not
limited to cannabis at all.
I use it as a concept of herbalor natural medicine.
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, and a cool little fact I wanted to share is
that you know we're we shareDNA with mushrooms like kingdom
fungi and and the.
You know, the animal kingdomactually share about 30% of our
DNA.
So how cool is that?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I mean you know when I learned that my head exploded.
It makes sense, like when youthink about the fact you know
why we're getting so muchbenefit from it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, and also why.
And let's face it, you know,some of the worst pathogens on
this planet are fungal.
So not only you know can wework with them, but they can
work against us, because theyhave the key to get in there.
You know.
That's why because fungalpathogens are so toxic.
That's why animals developedthis recognition of beta-glucans
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, because beta-glucans are onthe outside of a fungal cell,
that's the cell wall.
So when you recognize theoutside of the cell wall, that
turns the immune system on,which then can fight that fungal
infection.
That's like fire fighting fire,you know.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it's like our DNA remembers.
It's those organisms thatsurvived fungi and different
kinds of molds, et cetera thatwe were able to evolve.
And there's that memory in ourDNA that when we consume
mushrooms, our immune systemgoes on alert.
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It says, okay, this, you knowthis could be a threat.
Even though it's not a threat,it could be, and so the immune
system becomes activated shouldthere be a problem.
And that's really where thebenefit of mushrooms comes in.
It's that as a patternrecognition.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Four different receptors for beta-glucans on
immunocytes.
It's that important and some ofthe receptors will take in.
When the molecule binds to thecell, it actually engulfs it and
takes it into its cytoplasmwhere it metabolizes and breaks
it up into more active pieces,and then that immunocyte or
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dendritic cell will travel towhatever the remote location is
where the immune system needs todo something.
Maybe you stubbed your toe, youknow, or you got bitten by a
bug or something and your immunesystem has to do something.
So that immunocyte goes therewith this activated beta-glucans
on the inside and then releasesthem, which stimulates all the
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other immune cells in that area.
It's really very, veryelaborate, you know, very
elegant, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Other receptors?
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I didn't even know thecusp of that and I knew that it
was helpful.
I couldn't even imagine thebenefit.
On that end, I think, when Ithink about it now, how many
ailments it could help with.
It could.
It must be.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
and the immune system can help with it, can, it can
work there yeah, and I can sayjust from taking mushrooms
personally for I only gotinterested in mushrooms back in
2020 it was like I had anexperience with mushrooms that
was so mind-blowing that I kindof changed my whole career path
to work with them, and sincetaking mushrooms daily for now,
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going on three years there's avigilance to my immune system.
I feel like a vitality that Ihave never felt before, and I've
been in the health andsupplement industry for 20 some
odd years.
I've never felt like I feelwhen I take mushrooms on a daily
basis and I put mushrooms in mycoffee in the morning, you know
(21:02):
, but I got to get yourmushrooms.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But I'm not agree with you more.
I've only been doing so.
My husband and I, we actuallyhad an expert.
We were doing about threemonths and we probably could be
benefit from more qualitymushroom blends that of yours,
we can talk after I'm aroundtoddlers and I'm around also in
a conventional urgent ER areas.
I used to get sick all the timeand we're noticing the the both
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of us.
Our immune systems are a lotmore resilient than they used to
be three to four months.
Granted, I'm not on the blendsthat you guys are on, so I can
imagine how that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, we, we're, we're going to send you
something anyway.
We do that with our podcast.
We want you to have theexperience of what we think is
probably the best mushroomextract in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I would love it and I'd love it to send a code to
people to reach you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
for those listening at some point, absolutely yeah,
we can work that out, for you,we can set that up, sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No problem so how can those reach you?
First off, what's your favoriteblend for dog, if they're like
anti-inflammatory, and then howcan those reach you?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, as Joni had mentioned, we find that although
mushrooms all have very similarproperties, they also have very
slightly different propertiesand so when you use them in
combination you tend to get asynergy.
So, real Mushrooms our companyhas developed a multi-mushroom
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blend that has five mushrooms init and there are five of the
most potent immune-modulatingmushrooms around Reishi you
mentioned one, turkey tail theother, chaga a third, maitake
the fourth and shiitake thefifth Five of the most studied
and potent immune-modulatingmushrooms there are Comes in
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powder, comes in capsule.
We've put it into a soft chewfor the dogs, calling it
mushroom immune chews.
That, if you're looking at onesingle thing, that would
probably be the best place tobegin.
Now, if there's specific thingsyou want to do you got a dog
that maybe can't find the dogdoor, can't remember where its
food bowl is, maybe we'd addsome lion's mane in there.
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If know, if you've got a kittycat who might have some
incipient kidney disease, maybewe'd want to add some cordyceps
in there, because cordyceps isvery supportive of the kidneys
and so on and so forth.
You know, that's kind of how wedo it, but starting with one
blend like that is really a safe, easy and simple way to get
started, and then we can getmore granular and detailed as
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time goes on.
There's an interesting effectthat mushrooms have that no one
has really quantified.
It's this they make you feelgood.
They just make you feel good.
There's something about this,enhancing your sense of being
alive, this quality of lifesense that I don't think can
really be measured or enumerated, but you hear so many people
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talking about that I do agreewith you on this.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I am talking about from where we're recording this
podcast, as a mom that hasn'tbeen sleeping a couple of days
in a row, right, and has beenslowly been working in this
mushroom realm.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm not here to like just sell your stuff.
I'm talking about I'm usingsomeone else's.
I have noticed my alertness andmy tiredness, availability has
been better and moods and suchGranted.
Of course I work in integrativespace, but I noticed adding
that to whatever I had beendoing previous has made a
difference.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, we've got to send you some reishi.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, reishi to reishi at bedtime, really nice
yeah yeah, it was uh used by zenmasters as a meditation aid.
So it's it, doesn't?
These aren't sedative settle, Ilike.
I like the word settle, just Iagree.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I agree, maybe grounding settling, that kind of
settle.
I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I agree, maybe grounding settling that kind of
thing yeah.
Very nice.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I've been doing Reishi for a couple months now,
and I find that I fall asleepfaster, stay asleep longer.
I'm dreaming where I wasn't andremembering my dreams.
I'm sure I was dreaming before,but now I have more vivid
dreams and I wake up feelingmore rested, and I've had
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lifelong problems with sleep,and so this has been a real gift
to discover Reishi.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I can't wait to prescribe it to my patients.
You know, prescribe it, reallydiscuss it really you know and
get people to understand,because insomnia is like a
biggest conversation.
Sleep problems are huge, One ofthe big ones for me.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, and I come in conversations with health.
I ran out of Reishi and Ididn't realize you know how much
it had benefited me till Ifinally I was off it for a
couple of weeks and then Ifinally replenished my supply
and back on it again and I canagain.
It's subtle.
I can't really tell you how I'mfeeling better, but I am, and I
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have to attribute it to thereishi.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I believe you.
I really, I truly believe youand I'm, like I said, as a mom
of a toddler with intermittentsleeping patterns.
My husband and I hadconversated about this and we're
just like.
I think it's the mushroom hegoes, is it the mushrooms?
And here I have you on and theirony of it all.
But that's great, it'swonderful, it's not irony, it's
perfect.
(26:28):
It's a great conversation, causeI love that we're discussing
herbs, we're discussing anatural way of like healing, and
then also for animals, cause,like I said to you before, I
have my own and meal and I thinkthe simpler things that we can
do and bring it more to like thebasic national world, it's like
oh, these herbs, so how can wereach you?
How can those listening getahold of you, both you and Joni
(26:51):
Dr Soto, joni, Well, if you'reinterested in our mushroom
products, you would go torealmushroomscom.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
We do sell online.
We're also available on Amazon,and one of the things I love
the most about Real Mushrooms iswe're really committed to
education.
So if you're a retail customer,you can go on, and there's a
number of different blogs, manyof them written by Dr Silver, on
there, and we have anaturopathic doctor, dr Mason
(27:24):
Bresset, who does a lot ofwriting on there.
If you're a health carepractitioner, you can open a
wholesale practitioner accountwith us as well, and there's a
down in the bottom right handside of the Web page.
There's a practitioner account.
Sign up there and, yeah, sowe're available.
(27:44):
You can email us through.
You know support at realmushroomscom, dr Silver and I
just we also do a monthlyFacebook live Q and A, so that's
usually the last Thursday ofthe month.
Yes, a Facebook live pet Q&A?
Yeah, we mainly cover petquestions.
We get a human question thrownin every now and again and, dr
(28:09):
Silver, I didn't know if youwanted to add your personal
website as well.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm sure.
Thank you, yeah, I have, andI'm still the websites's a work
in process.
At the moment I'm starting toadd some educational programs to
my office, but the website Isell real mushrooms there.
Plus I sell my own branded CBDand CBG, plus a number of other
nutraceuticals and supplementsthat I've used clinically for
(28:36):
pets, and it'swellpetdispensarycom.
That is the the website address.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wellpetdispensarycom.
Awesome, yeah, I'd love forpeople to reach out to you or
just to you know, just have moreinsight on what they can do
differently, because I think,just like I get questions in the
health field of, well, whatelse can I do?
And you know, and you're like,no, it's not an approach.
You know, you're not going totake the ibuprofen every day,
like sorry, we, we've got tohave another conversation.
(29:05):
So, yeah, just like you havethese conversations with, with
pet owners that want their,their little babies to be better
, you know people are wantingthe answers, people are looking
for it, people want as you knowin your career, you spent your
life with it.
People are frustrated.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
They are, and I've retired from practice.
That's okay.
I feel that I have the abilityto touch more lives by teaching
veterinarians and by providingeducational programs it's true
programs and, uh, it's truegeneral.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think what we have now with this online community
is a great opportunity really toshare knowledge and share and
share information, and sothey're gonna you're gonna be
the ripple effect you'reeducating them what to do and
now then they're gonna bringthat to their practice.
So you're still helping in in adifferent way yeah absolutely.
Um, I mean, I started thispodcast out of just a passion
project, so it's just cool Justputting a different perspective
(30:02):
for individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That's nice, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I'm so glad you guys came on and took your time
on your busy schedule, so Iappreciate it.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Pleasure and thank you guys from joining in on the
Mindfully Integrative show andmake sure each and every day you
find a mindful way and we'lltalk with you soon.
Thanks again.
Hi, how are you?
This is Damaris Maria Grossman,and this is the Mindfully
Integrative Show, and today wehave an amazing mindful chat
with Dr Robert Silver.
He is a veterinarianintegrative veterinarian and I
am so excited for him to be onthe show because I think it's a
perspective that people don'teven realize.
What you do for your animals isalso a reflection in your
(00:22):
health and in your therapy foryourself.
So I think it's so cool to knowthat you can help them too, and
I can't wait for his insightfor you guys to understand that
there is another way than justthe typical.
So thanks so much, dr RobertSilver, for being on, and and
Joni also, thanks again.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, so chat with me , tell me what I say is a little
fun fact that people may notknow about you um.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm a lover of bluegrass music oh nice, oh cool
.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So where are you?
Um?
Do you play?
Do you like the banjo?
Do you have a certain like?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I do, I do play guitar, although not so good
anymore, but um, that's prettygood on it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then do you go to like events and festivals.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I do such as I'm.
I have the time to do it, butyeah, there's a.
There's one bluegrass festivalclose to me that I try to go to
every year.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, nice, nice, All right, I know, are you done?
Are you kind of more in yourtime of, more relaxed, or are
you always still pretty, prettybusy?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm pretty busy .
I guess you would say there's alot of things I have to do
before I pass from this world.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh no, I think we should always be steady, right,
at least Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So talk to me about you know you have such an
amazing career in theintegrative health space and as
a veterinarian, and what madeyou kind of change from the
conventional way, as I say it,in your world of medicine and
then you know to help animalsand creatures in a different way
.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I could probably sum that up in one word why I made
the switch, or what got meinterested in finding something
different Frustration.
Frustration, with patients notresponding to the treatments
that I had been taught forconditions that they have which
are quite a bit more complicatedthan most protocols allow, for
(02:29):
it's these chronic diseasepatients, these patients with
diabetes, these patients withmultiple chronic problems all at
the same time, all in the sameanimal.
And you know, I thinkconventional medicine has an
awful lot to offer and I thinkit's got a lot of value.
But I think conventionalmedicine has an awful lot to
offer and I think it's got a lotof value, but I think it needs
(02:50):
to be used in the right time, inthe right place, in the right
way, and I think that there aresome types of diseases and
conditions that are more complexthan really what conventional
medicine, at this point in time,is able to manage in an
effective, long-term, adverse,event-free fashion.
So that's what set me looking,and the first place I looked at
(03:15):
was diet and nutrition, which,as we all know, is really the
foundation of all life.
You don't eat, you don't live.
You don't eat well, you don'tlive well.
So I started looking at.
You know how we can better feedour pets and you know when you
look at what the business modelis for feeding pets, which is
this highly processed and verynutrient restricted types of
(03:38):
foods that are, admittedly,feeding millions more dogs than
are when we probably would beable to with just table scraps
alone.
But there are some failings inthis diet which can also create
some of these chronic problemsthat we see.
So I started with diet and Istarted teaching home prepared
(04:00):
meals to my clients and and allI did was change from a
commercial food to a homeprepared meal and we started
seeing some improvements whenthey were not improving prior to
that.
I have an interest inbackpacking and survivalism, so
I started learning about edible,wild and edible plants and wild
(04:21):
and edible mushrooms and thingslike that, and so I could feed
myself when I'm backpacking.
And then when I was in vetschool, we had a class on
poisonous plants, you know,pretty much for cattle and
horses and stuff, but animalsare out foraging and it kind of
all put together plants could bepoisonous, plants can be edible
(04:43):
, you know.
And then the next logicallocation is oh, plants can also
have some healing properties too.
So I started studying herbalmedicine, I learned how to
identify plants and learned howto make medicines and I learned
how to start using them and Istarted seeing successes there.
So you know, just kind of builton each other.
(05:03):
Finally, I was able to affordthe cost of the acupuncture
training, the veterinaryacupuncture training, and I took
that and you know, I just keptadding on the trainings and the
experiences and built me to theplace in my career where I am
now, which is relativelyexperienced, although still
(05:24):
certainly not able to solve allthe problems that are out there,
because there's somecomplicated medical problems,
and so that's kind of whatbrought me my love of herbs and
living things as naturalremedies.
That was kind of a naturalevolution to go to becoming a
veterinary herbalist.
I'm currently president of theAmerican College of Veterinary
(05:47):
Botanical Medicine.
We are trying to create atraining, an advanced training
program for veterinarians there.
And it also got my interest innutraceuticals, which are
basically supplements andextracts, and my interest in
mushrooms, you know, which is alogical outcropping of food and
(06:08):
medicines and everything else.
And so that's how Joni and Icome to visit with you is Joni
and I are the pet side of RealMushrooms, which is a Canadian
company that both cultivates themedicinal mushrooms under USDA
organic standards and extractsthem according to scientific
(06:29):
principles to make the activeingredients more bioavailable.
But we also make the products,and so I'm currently working on
I'm only getting started with aline of products specifically
for pets.
Real Mushrooms has been makingmushrooms for human use for
(06:50):
eight years now, and theirparent company has been
cultivating the mushrooms for 40years, so-.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh, that's interesting, and I knew that was
part of your because I didn'trealize how involved you were on
it.
And I think that the part I wastelling someone is that I
started actually using like awild mushroom blend and organic
lion's mane.
In addition and I'm not amushroom fan, right, but I
realized so as an integratedprovider, I understood, as I was
(07:17):
learning from your knowledge ofherbs, and I said I have to
have mushrooms in my diet.
I got to do it, even if I don'tlike it, right, and I said this
is something I needed.
So I had to find a blend Um, Idon't know if my blends
personally that great, but Iknow that I've seen effects of
just in my, my immunity alone,and and I bet you can give me
even more insight on thatbecause, um, and then to bring
(07:38):
it to the animals, that's,that's, it's pretty awesome,
cause it just says what I'mdoing for myself, then can then
relate it to these animals.
So I think it makes sense.
It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, it does.
Really.
It's common sense, but notcommon.
I'm not really in with eatingmushrooms.
There's no reason why you can'tstill avail yourself of the
values of mushrooms throughmushrooms as supplements.
(08:14):
You know, because they'vereally extracted all the good
stuff from the mushrooms.
They put them in a littlecapsule so you don't even have
to taste the crap.
Have to taste the crap, youknow, and you can get exactly
what you want.
What you need for your immunesystem, for your nervous system,
for your digestive system,whatever and that's clearly what
Joni and I are working on isdeveloping uses of the mushrooms
(08:37):
for pets, for a variety ofthings, and trying to do it in a
way that we educate thepractitioners about it and we
give help to the pet parents aswell, without making too many
blatant medical claims.
We have to be careful aboutthat.
Although they do have very goodmedicinal properties, we can't
(08:58):
really say that based onregulatory issues.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Of course, of course, but I'm saying as a provider,
as a person that was not intothe mushroom thing.
I'm a believer and I just it'sjust the research and when you
identify the important, like thebenefits of it versus these
other things that are out therebeing offered, you're just like
(09:22):
the world needs to understand.
So how, exactly, with animalsNow, do you have them put it in
their food?
Is it a tincture or is it avariety of different?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, it's dependent on the animal, you know, and
there's different levels ofpalatability and preference for
taste within dogs and especiallywithin cats, on horses, you
know, and probably pocket pets,and birds too, if you have those
varieties in your household.
So, um, we so that.
(09:56):
So the first thing that I didwas I took the, the human
mushroom um formulations and Iput them in smaller capsules.
You, that makes it easy forpets that aren't very fond of a
mushroom taste, and a couple ofmushrooms are pretty bitter, you
know, and some people likebitterness, some people don't,
(10:16):
most pets don't, but some do,you know.
So we put them in capsules.
We give people choices, so wehave capsules, we also have, and
the capsules are all labeled.
The human products are also inpouches, so they're bulk and
those can also be given to theanimals.
They're not labeled for theanimals but they can be given to
the animals and we're givinginstructions as far as how much
(10:38):
to give for certain kinds ofoutcomes.
I've just I formulated two softchews.
Are you familiar with the softchew model of pet supplement or
pet treat?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I have seen them.
I just haven't used them enoughLike I've seen them available.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
They're very popular.
The dogs certainly like them.
Some cats will actually eatthem as well, and it kind of
gives you an opportunity to mixsome things together, more than
just mushrooms that would allhave one purpose, and maybe use
some, some palatants, someflavorants to make it something
that a, an animal would, wouldtake as a treat, makes the whole
(11:15):
medicine giving process so mucheasier.
Because that's because we knowin veterinary medicine that the
big that you know, when you sendthem home with that bottle of
capsules, they may not beactually getting it, because
it's such a hassle to chase downthe animal so and get them to
take the capsule, or hide it insome food they might be clever,
you know or you open it up andput in the food.
(11:36):
That might be too bitter.
So we have, we have beenworking with all the different
ways that we can create thesemedicine, these, these products
to be acceptable to this animalor that animal.
One way or one way or the other, we'll get it in them, you know
, and mushrooms are very similarto each other in that they
contain the similar activeingredients.
(11:58):
You know like there's somethingcalled beta glucans.
Betaucans are these structuralcomponents and the mushroom cell
wall gives it strength.
But it turns out that thebeta-glucans will signal human
and animal immune systems towake up and be more vigilant,
will help to train the immunesystem to be better at what it
does.
(12:18):
So you know they all have thatsame immune modulating
properties but they also havedifferences in their
beta-glucans, which gives someof them more potency for some
conditions, like turkey tailmushroom Maybe you've heard of
that mushroom.
It has the highest percentage ofbeta-glucans in it which
(12:40):
historically and traditionallyit has been used for cancer
because it's got morebeta-glucans to do more better
for the immune system to battlethe cancer.
Because that's really what thebeta-glucans do is they build up
the immune system, let the bodydeal with that problem itself.
On the other hand, you mighthave a mushroom like, let's say,
(13:01):
lion's mane, which also has thebeta-glucans in it, but it has
other molecules in it, as allother mushrooms do, other than
the beta glucans, calledtriterpenes.
These are terpenes.
Like you squeeze a lemon, yousmell that lemon.
That's a monoterpene.
So terpenes and mushrooms arelarger, more complex, not as
volatile, and they can interfacewith our nervous system to
(13:24):
create the calmness that maybeyou're feeling with the lion's
mane.
We also know that lion's manecan be very helpful for memory.
That's one reason it's the mostpopular mushroom in America
today.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Oh, yeah, that one, and I think I have some multi
one, but you would probably knowthe best, I think.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, a lot of choices out there, you know, and
many of them are really goodchoices.
You know, so, you know.
So we have the terpenes in themushrooms.
So what I'm saying is mushroomsare very similar, but they also
have individual differences.
So Joni and I are reallygetting obsessed over this whole
thing.
We really love mushrooms.
Joni's been quiet.
We should let her talk, becauseshe has so much to contribute.
(14:04):
I know, I know, I know She'drather have me talk.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, I'm fascinated listening to you, Dr Silver, so
yeah, I am equally fascinated.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I would love for you to talk, Joni, and I apologize I
didn't give you a good fullintroduction, but I want to make
sure you guys are both.
Joni is one of the mostpassionate people I know, about
mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I get this contact high from her excitement about
mushrooms so we do need to seeget her to talk a little bit
about them.
But so I was just saying sowe're really what we're getting
into is filtering out eachmushroom individually and
helping pet parents understandhow it might help or might not
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help their pet's condition.
And that's really because, youknow, the most common question
we get like when we go to showsand things and have our little
booth stuff is what's it for?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know, and it's obvious, that's what we need to
detail people on People need toknow, because I tell you, I had
no clue and I only knew, knew,like you said, the lion's mane
for focus.
And then I'm taking this multiother one, the other than I know
it's immune modulation kind ofthing and, like you could ask me
, I have no idea which.
I know some coricep andreishi's in there and I'm like
(15:19):
you would I need to, I needdefinitely a recap and
understand and I will pop inhere now.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Then I.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I was hoping you'd talk about synergy with the
plans of mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, well, there's definitely a synergy, but what I
was going to say is one of themost challenging aspects of
mushrooms is picking out whichone to use and, like Dr Silver
said, you know Rob often saysthere's a mushroom for that and
there is, but there's also.
Mushrooms do very similarthings.
(15:51):
Like all mushrooms areanti-inflammatory.
You know all the medicinalmushrooms are also
anti-neoplastic.
You know they're immunemodulating, so you know when
you're looking at which one touse for a case, that's where
things get really, reallycomplicated.
But the fact of the matter is,no matter which mushroom you use
, you're going to hit the target.
(16:12):
You know you might want to gofor more of a bullseye, and
that's where you know certainmushrooms, like lion's mane,
like y'all were already talkingabout, or cordyceps, which is
the zombie mushroom that is verypopular right now because the
show the Last of Us came out.
But cordyceps is an adaptogen.
It's excellent for energy.
(16:35):
It also has an affinity for thelungs and for the kidneys.
The lion's mane, like you andRob were saying, excellent for
cognition, for any kind ofmemory issues, very calming.
Reishi is also an excellentmushroom for sleep.
It's also got incredibleanti-cancer properties and there
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are many veterinarians thatbelieve that mushrooms work best
in synergy.
Where combining the mushroomstogether enhances, is almost.
Would you describe that like anentourage effect.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I think the use of the word entourage effect is not
limited to cannabis at all.
I use it as a concept of herbalor natural medicine.
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, and a cool little fact I wanted to share is
that you know we're we shareDNA with mushrooms like kingdom
fungi and and the.
You know, the animal kingdomactually share about 30% of our
DNA.
So how cool is that?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I mean you know when I learned that my head exploded.
It makes sense, like when youthink about the fact you know
why we're getting so muchbenefit from it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, and also why.
And let's face it, you know,some of the worst pathogens on
this planet are fungal.
So not only you know can wework with them, but they can
work against us, because theyhave the key to get in there.
You know.
That's why because fungalpathogens are so toxic.
That's why animals developedthis recognition of beta-glucans
(18:17):
, because beta-glucans are onthe outside of a fungal cell,
that's the cell wall.
So when you recognize theoutside of the cell wall, that
turns the immune system on,which then can fight that fungal
infection.
That's like fire fighting fire,you know.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it's like our DNA remembers.
It's those organisms thatsurvived fungi and different
kinds of molds, et cetera thatwe were able to evolve.
And there's that memory in ourDNA that when we consume
mushrooms, our immune systemgoes on alert.
(18:52):
It says, okay, this, you knowthis could be a threat.
Even though it's not a threat,it could be, and so the immune
system becomes activated shouldthere be a problem.
And that's really where thebenefit of mushrooms comes in.
It's that as a patternrecognition.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Four different receptors for beta-glucans on
immunocytes.
It's that important and some ofthe receptors will take in.
When the molecule binds to thecell, it actually engulfs it and
takes it into its cytoplasmwhere it metabolizes and breaks
it up into more active pieces,and then that immunocyte or
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dendritic cell will travel towhatever the remote location is
where the immune system needs todo something.
Maybe you stubbed your toe, youknow, or you got bitten by a
bug or something and your immunesystem has to do something.
So that immunocyte goes therewith this activated beta-glucans
on the inside and then releasesthem, which stimulates all the
(19:54):
other immune cells in that area.
It's really very, veryelaborate, you know, very
elegant, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Other receptors?
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I didn't even know thecusp of that and I knew that it
was helpful.
I couldn't even imagine thebenefit.
On that end, I think, when Ithink about it now, how many
ailments it could help with.
It could.
It must be.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
and the immune system can help with it, can, it can
work there yeah, and I can sayjust from taking mushrooms
personally for I only gotinterested in mushrooms back in
2020 it was like I had anexperience with mushrooms that
was so mind-blowing that I kindof changed my whole career path
to work with them, and sincetaking mushrooms daily for now,
(20:41):
going on three years there's avigilance to my immune system.
I feel like a vitality that Ihave never felt before, and I've
been in the health andsupplement industry for 20 some
odd years.
I've never felt like I feelwhen I take mushrooms on a daily
basis and I put mushrooms in mycoffee in the morning, you know
(21:02):
, but I got to get yourmushrooms.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But I'm not agree with you more.
I've only been doing so.
My husband and I, we actuallyhad an expert.
We were doing about threemonths and we probably could be
benefit from more qualitymushroom blends that of yours,
we can talk after I'm aroundtoddlers and I'm around also in
a conventional urgent ER areas.
I used to get sick all the timeand we're noticing the the both
(21:28):
of us.
Our immune systems are a lotmore resilient than they used to
be three to four months.
Granted, I'm not on the blendsthat you guys are on, so I can
imagine how that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, we, we're, we're going to send you
something anyway.
We do that with our podcast.
We want you to have theexperience of what we think is
probably the best mushroomextract in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I would love it and I'd love it to send a code to
people to reach you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
for those listening at some point, absolutely yeah,
we can work that out, for you,we can set that up, sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
No problem so how can those reach you?
First off, what's your favoriteblend for dog, if they're like
anti-inflammatory, and then howcan those reach you?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, as Joni had mentioned, we find that although
mushrooms all have very similarproperties, they also have very
slightly different propertiesand so when you use them in
combination you tend to get asynergy.
So, real Mushrooms our companyhas developed a multi-mushroom
(22:34):
blend that has five mushrooms init and there are five of the
most potent immune-modulatingmushrooms around Reishi you
mentioned one, turkey tail theother, chaga a third, maitake
the fourth and shiitake thefifth Five of the most studied
and potent immune-modulatingmushrooms there are Comes in
(22:55):
powder, comes in capsule.
We've put it into a soft chewfor the dogs, calling it
mushroom immune chews.
That, if you're looking at onesingle thing, that would
probably be the best place tobegin.
Now, if there's specific thingsyou want to do you got a dog
that maybe can't find the dogdoor, can't remember where its
food bowl is, maybe we'd addsome lion's mane in there.
(23:18):
If know, if you've got a kittycat who might have some
incipient kidney disease, maybewe'd want to add some cordyceps
in there, because cordyceps isvery supportive of the kidneys
and so on and so forth.
You know, that's kind of how wedo it, but starting with one
blend like that is really a safe, easy and simple way to get
started, and then we can getmore granular and detailed as
(23:41):
time goes on.
There's an interesting effectthat mushrooms have that no one
has really quantified.
It's this they make you feelgood.
They just make you feel good.
There's something about this,enhancing your sense of being
alive, this quality of lifesense that I don't think can
really be measured or enumerated, but you hear so many people
(24:04):
talking about that I do agreewith you on this.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I am talking about from where we're recording this
podcast, as a mom that hasn'tbeen sleeping a couple of days
in a row, right, and has beenslowly been working in this
mushroom realm.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm not here to like just sell your stuff.
I'm talking about I'm usingsomeone else's.
I have noticed my alertness andmy tiredness, availability has
been better and moods and suchGranted.
Of course I work in integrativespace, but I noticed adding
that to whatever I had beendoing previous has made a
difference.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, we've got to send you some reishi.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, reishi to reishi at bedtime, really nice
yeah yeah, it was uh used by zenmasters as a meditation aid.
So it's it, doesn't?
These aren't sedative settle, Ilike.
I like the word settle, just Iagree.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I agree, maybe grounding settling, that kind of
settle.
I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I agree, maybe grounding settling that kind of
thing yeah.
Very nice.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I've been doing Reishi for a couple months now,
and I find that I fall asleepfaster, stay asleep longer.
I'm dreaming where I wasn't andremembering my dreams.
I'm sure I was dreaming before,but now I have more vivid
dreams and I wake up feelingmore rested, and I've had
(25:27):
lifelong problems with sleep,and so this has been a real gift
to discover Reishi.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I can't wait to prescribe it to my patients.
You know, prescribe it, reallydiscuss it really you know and
get people to understand,because insomnia is like a
biggest conversation.
Sleep problems are huge, One ofthe big ones for me.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, and I come in conversations with health.
I ran out of Reishi and Ididn't realize you know how much
it had benefited me till Ifinally I was off it for a
couple of weeks and then Ifinally replenished my supply
and back on it again and I canagain.
It's subtle.
I can't really tell you how I'mfeeling better, but I am, and I
(26:05):
have to attribute it to thereishi.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I believe you.
I really, I truly believe youand I'm, like I said, as a mom
of a toddler with intermittentsleeping patterns.
My husband and I hadconversated about this and we're
just like.
I think it's the mushroom hegoes, is it the mushrooms?
And here I have you on and theirony of it all.
But that's great, it'swonderful, it's not irony, it's
perfect.
(26:28):
It's a great conversation, causeI love that we're discussing
herbs, we're discussing anatural way of like healing, and
then also for animals, cause,like I said to you before, I
have my own and meal and I thinkthe simpler things that we can
do and bring it more to like thebasic national world, it's like
oh, these herbs, so how can wereach you?
How can those listening getahold of you, both you and Joni
(26:51):
Dr Soto, joni, Well, if you'reinterested in our mushroom
products, you would go torealmushroomscom.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
We do sell online.
We're also available on Amazon,and one of the things I love
the most about Real Mushrooms iswe're really committed to
education.
So if you're a retail customer,you can go on, and there's a
number of different blogs, manyof them written by Dr Silver, on
there, and we have anaturopathic doctor, dr Mason
(27:24):
Bresset, who does a lot ofwriting on there.
If you're a health carepractitioner, you can open a
wholesale practitioner accountwith us as well, and there's a
down in the bottom right handside of the Web page.
There's a practitioner account.
Sign up there and, yeah, sowe're available.
(27:44):
You can email us through.
You know support at realmushroomscom, dr Silver and I
just we also do a monthlyFacebook live Q and A, so that's
usually the last Thursday ofthe month.
Yes, a Facebook live pet Q&A?
Yeah, we mainly cover petquestions.
We get a human question thrownin every now and again and, dr
(28:09):
Silver, I didn't know if youwanted to add your personal
website as well.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm sure.
Thank you, yeah, I have, andI'm still the websites's a work
in process.
At the moment I'm starting toadd some educational programs to
my office, but the website Isell real mushrooms there.
Plus I sell my own branded CBDand CBG, plus a number of other
nutraceuticals and supplementsthat I've used clinically for
(28:36):
pets, and it'swellpetdispensarycom.
That is the the website address.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wellpetdispensarycom.
Awesome, yeah, I'd love forpeople to reach out to you or
just to you know, just have moreinsight on what they can do
differently, because I think,just like I get questions in the
health field of, well, whatelse can I do?
And you know, and you're like,no, it's not an approach.
You know, you're not going totake the ibuprofen every day,
like sorry, we, we've got tohave another conversation.
(29:05):
So, yeah, just like you havethese conversations with, with
pet owners that want their,their little babies to be better
, you know people are wantingthe answers, people are looking
for it, people want as you knowin your career, you spent your
life with it.
People are frustrated.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
They are, and I've retired from practice.
That's okay.
I feel that I have the abilityto touch more lives by teaching
veterinarians and by providingeducational programs it's true
programs and, uh, it's truegeneral.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think what we have now with this online community
is a great opportunity really toshare knowledge and share and
share information, and sothey're gonna you're gonna be
the ripple effect you'reeducating them what to do and
now then they're gonna bringthat to their practice.
So you're still helping in in adifferent way yeah absolutely.
Um, I mean, I started thispodcast out of just a passion
project, so it's just cool Justputting a different perspective
(30:02):
for individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That's nice, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I'm so glad you guys came on and took your time
on your busy schedule, so Iappreciate it.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Pleasure and thank you guys from joining in on the
Mindfully Integrative show andmake sure each and every day you
find a mindful way and we'lltalk with you soon.
Thanks again.
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