Understanding Your Metabolic Type Changes Everything

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Martin Pytella's journey from systems analyst to health engineer began with a catastrophic event - receiving mercury dental fillings that triggered a cascade of health problems, including debilitating back pain that left him crawling on all fours. Applying his analytical skills to his own health crisis, Martin discovered what he calls the "four pillars of disease": toxicity, malnutrition, stagnation, and emotional trauma.

In this fascinating conversation, Martin reveals how understanding your metabolic type is crucial for optimal health. He explains that people fall along two continuums - oxidation rate and autonomic nervous system dominance - which determine how different foods affect your body chemistry, weight patterns, and even emotional states. This genetic individuality explains why some thrive on high-protein diets while others need more carbohydrates, depending on factors like thyroid or adrenal dominance.

The discussion dives deep into how ancestral diets shaped our genetic adaptations, from Norwegian populations dependent on fish and fermented foods to tropical cultures thriving on fruit-based diets. Martin explains why the standard American diet creates universal harm through refined ingredients, damaged oils, and glyphosate-contaminated GMO foods. He connects these industrial food problems to larger systemic issues, noting how agricultural subsidies make unhealthy foods artificially cheap while creating massive healthcare costs.

Through his companies Life Enthusiast and Exsula, Martin offers solutions including an advanced metabolic typing test and superfood blends containing up to 350 ingredients micronized for maximum absorption. His approach emphasizes personalized nutrition and detoxification rather than one-size-fits-all medicine. As Martin puts it, "your headache isn't caused by an Excedrin deficiency" - true healing requires addressing root causes unique to each individual.

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Martin Patella.
He is the owner of LifeEnthusiast and also he has
another company which we'll haveto discuss more with you.

(00:23):
So thank you so much for beingon the show and for taking the
time and telling us a little bitabout your story and how health
has been engineered in your way.
So explain to me what thatmeans.
Why are you a health engineer?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, okay In engineering when something
messes up.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, first hi, how are?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
you.
Oh hey, I'm good.
Thank you, it's a pleasure tobe here.
You know, when you think ofengineers, they are responsible
for constructing things andmaking sure that they don't
break, they don't fall down.
They serve, and so my trainingis a business analyst in

(01:04):
computer science and businessadministration, and so when that
is put to test, we always askwhat is the cause of this and
can we track it?
My own story was just fine.
I was a systems analyst workingin the information technology,

(01:26):
doing a fine job, and then I hadan event where a whole bunch of
mercury ended up in my mouthwithout me realizing that that
was coming From the dentist orjust in general.
No dentist.
I came in with I'm here for acheckup and I trusted the

(01:49):
professional I could trustmyself.
I'm a professional person.
I do what's right for theclient.
So I go there with theexpectation that they do right
for what's right for me, rightfor me.
Well, I got a sales job on.
Now we need to do a whole bunchof fillings.
And then it was followed by youhave a choice, you can have the

(02:13):
white fillings or the silverfillings.
I ask what's the difference?
And they say, well, the whiteones last about 10 years, the
silver ones about 20.
And I ask is there any otherdifference?
Well, the white ones cost extra, the silver ones about 20.
And I ask is there any otherdifference?
Well, the white ones cost extra, the silver ones are covered.
So I say, well, okay, and Idon't care what they look like,
let's go silver.

(02:34):
I was not told that.
It's a silver amalgam withmercury, and mercury is the most
toxic thing you can put into ahuman body.
Ignorance of high parts.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, they're not even Well.
I mean I think they've gotten alittle bit better, but I mean I
still think dentists still putthem in.
I've seen an inpatient.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, this happened in 1977.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
But they still put them in patients.
I saw like a five-year-old inthe ER not too long ago in
urgent care, so they're stilldoing it.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Oh heck yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Absolutely, they're still doing it.
When they ship the stuff to theclinic, it's in a hazardous
material container.
When they drill it out and getrid of it, they are having to
trap it and treat it ashazardous waste, but somehow,
magically, in my mouth it's justfine.

(03:31):
Well, you know a lot of magicalthinking in medicine.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they had to try some things like
they, you know, the, the.
I think the thought was to makechange, but you know, then
obviously effects came, whathappened for you.
So you had this, you had these,um, uh, fillings done and this
kind of you, obviously.
What kind of side effects didyou have?
What was going on thatobviously made you change your

(03:55):
perspective on your health ohgosh, yes.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, the first thing was, uh, I had a herpes
breakout my first in my life.
Uh then, uh, then I had aherpes breakout my first in my
life.
Then I had a flu, a really badone, and then I started getting
carpal tunnel type of pains,aches and pains.
Then plantar fasciitis kickedin and then finally, my back

(04:19):
went out.
I mean out in such a way that Iwas sleeping face down in a
rocking chair and crawling onall fours to the toilet.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh goodness, so your inflammatory process was just
through the roof, yeah, Well,interestingly, what mercury will
do?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
it will go into the body, will try and hide it, get
rid of it.
So it goes in the fat and itgoes into low circulation
tissues in general, so tendons,discs, discs, bones, that sort
of thing.
So as it went into the discs,it weakens the disc and then the
gravity that's compressing thedisc will just bulge them out.

(04:57):
And that's where I went so Iexperienced.
I had a lot of experience withfirst the orthopedic surgeon who
offered cortisone shot.
That's a very temporary reliefthat fixes nothing.
Then I went to chiropractic.
That was good.
They put me back together.

(05:18):
They're good mechanics.
They readjust me and I'maligned when I'm leaving the
office.
But because my discs are weakit doesn't hold.
So I would have to keep comingback over and over.
No solution, just maintenanceright.
Right maintenance right Puttingthe chewing gum on the leak.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Not actually fixing anything You're like oh that's
great yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So, 10 years in, I finally just decided to quit.
It was like I'm out, I'm donewith you people how?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
so what?
You're just in general, youwere trying the pills that all
of these different types oftreatments, and nothing really
had had made, it had reallychanged.
But what made you come to theto the conclusion that it
finally was the teeth enamel?
I mean, because not everybodycomes to that conclusion well.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
so sometime in I finally say, hey, you're the
systems analyst, analyze this.
Now, this was 1987, 88, so thisis no internet.
You go to the library and youcheck out a bunch of books and
you start reading and I did, anda few thousand pages later, in

(06:30):
a hair trace mineral analysis Ihad the evidence in my hand
You're toxic with mercury.
Then what?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Then what'd you do?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well research I found that zeolite was a very good
absorber of heavy metals lead,mercury, cadmium and so on.
So I went, found zeolite, gotheavily on that, also used
fulvic acid and humic acid andfree-form amino acids to try and

(07:02):
restore and rebuild the damagedtissues.
And just a few years later,first the back pain got
corrected, then the carpaltunnel went away, then the
fasciitis went away.
About six years in even all ofthe allergies that I had picked
up along the way disappeared.

(07:24):
That's all through the processof cleansing right.
Like later I developed thistheory.
Illness of this sort stands onfour pillars toxicity,
malnutrition, stagnation andtrauma.
And the stagnation that'slymphatic system, lack of

(07:44):
movement, not enough exercise,not enough physical stress on
the body.
And trauma well, that's mostlyemotional.
So we need to deal with that,because whatever you pick up on
your evolutionary journey,everybody's screwed up in some

(08:05):
way right, right.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Everyone has to really go through their their
own uh, quiet time and getthrough clear out and clear it
out, even when it's dark.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah the dark part you really got to get through it
yeah, yeah, I needed to deal.
it would deal with my mommyissue and daddy issue and
brother issue and later Irealized, oh my gosh, this is
intergenerational.
I had to deal with the traumathat's from the wars that my
parents were involved in andgrandparents and so on.
Right, all of that is projectedthrough the epigenetic pathways

(08:39):
into the body and it needs toget dealt with.
But the really important oneswere the toxicity and
malnutrition, because eating Iwas eating the normal, normal
diet.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, the normal diet and where did?
You find for you was yourmalnutrition.
What was the like your like forme?
I had to make a three.
I was really low in it.
Like, that was one of my like.
Oh, wow, that was an oh, thatwas an oh.
Ha, a couple ahas for me when Ifound out some of my
nutritional deficiencies and Iwas like, oh, I thought I
figured that out.
What, what had been some ofyour?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
like.
Well, mostly it's the food aspresented by the firm, by the
food industry like they you knowdepleted soils.
I diet too rich incarbohydrates.
I don't know the pastas thepizzas, the prepackaged.

(09:32):
I needed to up the nutrientdensity in a dramatic way.
I needed more minerals and Ineeded more polyphenols and I
needed more pigments and all ofthat stuff that is found in
healthy food and not found inthe turkey salad sandwich.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'm laughing, but it's just.
It's unfortunately so common,right Like to find the colorful
foods.
You tell people, no, you'd beeating more of that good stuff.
And they're like what do youmean?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm like, yeah, you know things that are the rainbow
the rainbow right, the herbs,the spices, the well, all of the
things that are making agingslower or help to revert
whatever.
Well, later I came up withdegenerative inflammatory

(10:25):
metabolic disease, which is whatI was suffering from, but in
general it's aging.
Like if this were happening tome at, say, 55, I would think
that it's aging, but it washappening to me at 29.
That's not aging, that'sbreaking down.

(10:45):
Yeah, that's breaking down.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, that's breaking down.
So you had then made you weretalking about you had done
another.
You fixed yourself right.
What did you do in the process?
You said you had started twobusinesses from this because of
it.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Right.
Well, the year was 1999, and wewere talking about Y2K and I
was in the informationtechnology and it was not clear
to me whether we will or willnot have this bizarre societal
breakdown.
I thought, well, I don't knowif I have a job, or okay, or not

(11:27):
.
Okay, I don't know if we fixedit because we tried hard to fix
it or if it was nonsense tobegin with.
But anyway, in the run up tothat, I thought I'm going to not
be in a major metropolitan area.
I'm going to move me, my family, my two teenage daughters, to a
small town where we're going toknow our neighbors and where we

(11:49):
could grow food in a garden ifwe had to.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Nice and not like you know where, and you can have
fresh food when you need to getsome herbs fresh.
That's wonderful.
And was it as hard to do, orwas it pretty easy after when
you started up?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, we moved and then, of course, I couldn't do
the consulting anywhere, smalltown, nobody needed me, so I
became my own client.
I built a website and wentonline.
This was the year 2001 or 2000.
Well, thankfully, the internetnow is all over.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
At least you know All the internet was happening.
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah.
So I was in the early days andI decided to build a store
that's going to help people dealwith their chronic degenerative
inflammatory disasters that donot respond too well to the
medical treatment.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And what website is that called?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's called Life Enthusiast.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's the Life Enthusiast.
And you have a wealth ofknowledge on there.
You have a wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, I have been.
That website is essentially thecollection of my research put
forward.
I explain the four pillars ofdisease right the toxicity,
malnutrition, stagnation andtrauma.
I explain that and then Iexplain a whole lot of errors

(13:15):
that are implanted into people'sminds by the mainstream
approach, because thatmainstream approach focuses on
treatment, not on healing orcure.
Or making a change.
Yeah, they're not interested inlosing a customer.
They're only wanting to have acustomer for life.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I could not agree with you more.
I mean, I became, you know,just doing this passion podcast.
I was like there has to bepeople that need to talk about
this.
There has to be people that areto talk about this.
There has to be people that aretalking about you know, even if
they're using a littleconventional they.
They have to be changing theirmindset, they have to.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, in simple terms , it's like your headache is not
caused by a deficiency ofExcedrin Right I mean it's like
there's, you know, there'sobviously something, and
sometimes I it's as little as metelling someone have you drank
some water today?
Okay, there we go.
Right, Did you sleep?

(14:12):
Starts from the air and waterand food, and this would be the
macronutrients, like starches,carbs, fats, proteins, or
further in vitamins, minerals.
All of that, there's a cascadeof sizes of more importance.
So I finally came with fullunderstanding of, well, your

(14:35):
spiritual direction is the mostimportant thing, and then your
emotional health, your thoughts,and your thoughts will lead to
behaviors, and behaviors willgive you habits.
And your thoughts will lead tobehaviors, and behaviors will
give you habits, and habits willgive you outcomes.
And those are that.
So you are possibly diggingyour grave with your own fork.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
With your own fork, but also within your own
thoughts that you're saying Ilike where oh gosh.
Yes, yeah, I love the cascadethat you're saying I like, oh
gosh, yes yeah, I love that, thecascade that you're speaking
with, because I want people tohear that, because I I think,
yeah, and so that was, that wasall before physical, and so we
start with the air, water andthen the environment itself.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean, these days we have added something massive
which is called emr, orelectromagnetic radiation or or
EMF frequencies, which we are ina soup of stuff that our
ancestors didn't live in.
So just a little sidebar G5 or5G, 4g, 5g those frequencies

(15:39):
will put out the wave with whichyour cells will respond, with
calcium flooding into your cells.
It's called voltage-gatedcalcium channel.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And that's all getting emitted through the
phones and the computers and allthe things.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, the routers and the cell phone towers and all
of that stuff that's coming atyou at all of us, and all of
that stuff that's coming at youat all of us.
And well, so calcium is thesignaling molecule for anxiety
or for fight or flight.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
We're always in fight or flight most of us Right.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
So you're driving toward the smart grid downtown
and sense of doom and anxiety isflooding you and you're
wondering why is that could bethe amf coming at you do you
think that there do you havelike blockage ones, like you
have one in your house I'veheard?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
seems I don't have one on mine.
I have one on my phones and Iturn it off on different times.
But the um do you have onethat's attached to your house
and we'll use the blocking ones?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've seen those I have a gadget in the house
that's called Blue Shield, whichsends out a signal that
constantly reminds the autonomicnervous system to ignore the
radiation and instead focus onstaying calm and balanced.
That's excellent.
There is an antidote availablethrough that method.

(17:05):
That's great, there is anantidote available through that
method.
And, yeah, we don't keep therouters on.
However, you know, I live in anurban area, so when I turn on
my phone, I always see five orsix antennas.
Anytime I look to see ifthere's any Wi-Fi available.
So I'm always bombarded by theWi-Fi.

(17:26):
So instead I try to use theantidote.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Okay, what have you found?
I mean the wealth of knowledgethat I've seen on your website
and such.
You were saying there's a quizthat you take for your clients.
Yeah, we offer metabolic typingand such.
You were saying there's a quizthat you take that for your
clients?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, we offer metabolic typing, the advanced
metabolic typing test.
It's offered through an onlinequestionnaire about 120 multiple
choice questions.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I have to take it.
I need to take it.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Which website this is on the Life Enthusiast website.
Yes, yeah, yeah, look forAdvanced Metabolic Typing Test.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh, that's awesome.
I feel like everyone has somesort of metabolic issues.
I feel like I have thatconversation quite often.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, and at the end of that we'll come back to you
with your endocrine dominance,which drives how you gain weight
and lose weight, and your bodyshapes and your food cravings.
Those are all driven throughthat.
And then we also answer yourmetabolic dominance, which is

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how you alkalize or acidify,which is the control of your
autonomic nervous system, thebalance between sympathetic and
parasympathetic, or call itfight or flight, rest and repair
and digest.
And so, just for people who arenot clear on this, when you
engage into the fight or flight,your blood pressure goes up,
you cannot sleep, your pupilsopen wide, you are excited,
unable to settle, you may bedrifting into either anger or

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anxiety.
No-transcript.
And the other side the otherside is your blood pressure
drops down, your digestionresumes.
So constipation lives on thestressy side, diarrhea lives on
the overly parasympathetic side.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now, like one you're saying to see a math like the
high state, the fight or flightthat people just aren't getting
out of, and maybe having alittle bit more information and
understanding how that liesRight know your type.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
We can actually tell you how the combination of
macronutrients and that would becarbohydrates, fats and
proteins, the ratios of thesethree on your plate or in your
meal, will direct what willhappen next, because some of us
alkalized with fats and proteinsand others are just like
left-handed, right-handed youflip it, so the other people are

(20:23):
alkalized by carbs.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
How some people can have like a pizza and not gain
weight, and other people canhave a pizza and they're 50
pounds heavier.
I don't know, I'm just like youknow.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah.
The best illustration I canoffer you is go to a cocktail
party where alcohol is served.
The oxidizers are going to getmore stimulated, more excited.
First they will be louder, thenthey will get argumentative and
then they'll pick a fight Justtotally disagreeable.

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The other ones, thesympathetics, pardon me, the
parasympathetics, or the peoplethat are alkalized by
carbohydrates the first thingthat happens is they are more
jovial and then they startlosing their inhibitions, then
they overshare and then theystart crying about something.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Mm-hmm.
Wow, that's interesting.
Yeah, I'm not one to drinkanymore, but I'm thinking about
how I was back in the day.
I'm like, hmm, which one?
I'm certainly probably more ofthe jovial side.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean you can do it with bananas and whatever,
right, oh, any sort of sugar.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Any sort of high sugar intake bringing like an
insulin.
So explain that to thelisteners, because I so.
Is that more on the insulinspike?
Is that where you're, you'rewhat?
What are you going for withthat?
Like just a high fructose, um,high sugar?
What is?
What's the reasoning behindthat when you're saying
oxidative versus?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
well, it's the dominance.
The oxidizer is alkalized byfats and proteins and acidified
by carbohydrates.
So as you acidify, you're'redrifting way out to the more
sympathetic.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
That's really cool.
I mean, it's science, I mean itreally is.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's fascinating that it is like that.
And so you see the TVcommercial for a chocolate bar
that says you're hangry, right.
Well, the anger side is there.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's a fast oxidizer in action oh, when you,
when, when you get like thesnicker bar or whatever they
call it, or whatever they wantyou to get to have or they're
like oh, you're hangry, why areyou hangry?
And they, they're definitely um.
What's it called promoting itfor you?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, as a solution, but you're dysregulated right.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But if it was regulated we wouldn't need the
candy bar.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You may be needing some food.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You might, but the candy bar won't be the final
solution.
Well, maybe sometimes.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, so interestingly so, for the person
who needs to use carbohydratesto get out of being too acidic,
the sugar works, and for theother person, they need
something else.
They need a I don't know stickof beef jerky or something fatty
Okay, spoonful of peanut butterwould do it, or I don't know.

(23:17):
Whatever they want to eat,that's high fat, high protein.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
What's your go-to for your or?
You probably have a pretty goodbalance.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
For my life.
Well, so I'm the type that isalkalized by carbohydrates and I
do wake up early, so I'm on theacidic side.
So I I normally would be fairlyquick, get up early, get lots
done, but I'm unpleasant aboutit.
Like, social graces are hard tocome by unless I do something

(23:53):
intelligent.
So I start my day with somefruit, so I will have a fruit
smoothie.
I thought you were going to tellme it's a meditation, but you
said no, no, no, no fruitsmoothie, or, or I don't know,
some watermelon, followed bysome grapefruit, followed by
some apples full of you know,just gradual.
And then the day are you um?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
what kind of um diet do you have?
Or I've had some individuals onwith raw vegan.
They've had some oh yeah, likethat.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
So there's, more.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, I haven't even.
I don't know if you have aspecific, there are so many
layers to it, right?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Weston O'Price did a marvelous job of traveling the
world in the 1930s discoveringthat so long as you eat your
ancestral diet, your indigenousdiet, you'll be fine.
But as soon as you switch tothe industrial diet you
dysregulate.
So it depends on your ancestors.
They are optimized geneticallyfor the food resource that's in

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that geographic area where theylived.
So the further away you arefrom the equator, the shorter
the growing season and thegreater the dependency on animal
food.
Like it's so easy to be avegetarian when you live in
tropics where food is available365 days a year.

(25:13):
You just go into the yard, intothe garden, and pick something.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
So it can preserve.
Well, and it's you know you'reable to cook and when you're
farther away you have to saltthings, and things have been
preserved.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Visualize Norway or visualize Canada.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Where you have now.
Well, in Norway they weredependent on cod that they
caught and dried, yeah, andsalmon was running, so they
would on cod that they caughtand dried and salmon was running
, but that's a seasonal thing,so they would catch salmon, dry
it.
They had reindeer for food,their growing season.
Their summers are intense butshort, so they have vegetables

(25:58):
and whatnot, but only for threemonths out of the year.
So they have to ferment thingsand store them and do stuff like
that.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, and then keeping in that, so you're
saying for that individual eventheir Norwegian right, but they
live somewhere else that theyneed to still eat in their
Norwegian ancestry.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
in a way, it's more complicated.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
And more complicated than that Is that.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
OK.
So if you move in a region toFlorida, they should be eating
still some fat and protein, butway more onto the fruit and carb
side, because in high heat youneed to be eating lighter,
whereas the colder it gets themore fats and proteins.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
That takes it to a whole other, because your body
takes a lot more energy to breakit down.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
So that's the seasonality, regionality and
genetic inputs.
Like these days it'scomplicated because you now have
a mating of your Norwegiangrandmother with your I don't
know Cheyenne grandfather,somebody who was living with the
bison and buffalo and wereketogenic diet 100% right.

(27:08):
Or you may end up with somebodyfrom Malaysia who's all carbs.
Oh, never mind Malaysia.
Try North Africa, you know.
Try somebody who's living ondates, figs, pomegranates and
camel milk.
Carb on carb, with carb on topof carb.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
And they're used to that.
That's not.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Their genetics tell them that's the good thing.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
You must find it pretty.
I mean all these different fadthings that must drive, I mean
being like engineer and intoknow it's must buy must don't in
a way be fascinating or orfrustrating my word might
actually be frustrating.
Yeah Well, I'm not like I don'tknow if it all works.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's not my fight, but I can help people understand
it, like if you ask me whatshould I do?
The answer is understand yourendocrine dominance, because it
dictates what food cravingsyou'll have and how you gain
weight.
Like, if you're thyroiddominant, you'll gain weight on
starch and keto diet will keepyou slim.

(28:15):
But if you're adrenal dominant,it's the opposite you will have
temptation for savory foods anda keto diet will put weight on
you.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, I mean this is fascinating.
I mean I feel like I only knowa cusp of what you're saying.
I mean, on my end I feel I'velearned a lot and you know
functional medicine side, theintegrative side, and I feel
like metabolic health isactually I mean, it's not in the
infancy, but I feel like thepopulation doesn't really talk
enough about it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's not understood or it's not introduced into the
general consciousness.
Well, let's start with this theindustrial food that presents
you refined starches, refinedsugars so refined flour, refined
sugar, refined salt, refinedplant seed oils and homogenized

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pasteurized dairy.
That stuff is bad for everyoneuniversally.
That will make everyone sick.
So that's a cut thatGenetically modified foods.
Modified foods, cut it outmostly.
Not a good thing.
I have not found a good one yetbut yet it's still in america

(29:32):
oh, it's richly present.
You know?
Uh, how about that corn?
Right, so you have nowglyphosate.
You have nowglyphosate-resistant corn that
you're going to be eating.
Well, glyphosate is anantibiotic that kills microbes.
That's why it kills weeds.
Well, when you introduce itinto your body, it will kill

(29:52):
microbes inside of you, causingyou a leaky gut.
Now you're going to be tendingtowards mental illness and
towards dysregulation of everysort.
Inflammatory disease, rapidaging, infertility, inflammatory
problems, all of that.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I feel like the list goes on.
Do you also have differentsupplement brand too that you
have with your company, or is it?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
or through your Right , so you mentioned that other
company.
So the other company Iinherited recently and it's
called Exula and we've beenmanufacturing superfood blends
since 1989.
Oh, that's amazing.
Okay, that's what you'retalking about superfood blends
since 1989.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh, that's amazing.
Okay, that's what you'retalking about superfood blends.
I can put that information inthe show notes for those
individuals, because people willask.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
We make these blends that are tuned to compensate for
the gap that's left behind bythe standard American diet.
That's so important.
There's just zero chance.
There's a zero chance that youcan now be nutritionally
balanced, eating foods that areoffered to you in a fast food

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restaurant or a grocery store.
Not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You'll have to compensate.
Isn't that so sad it is?
I mean, that's so sad.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, I mean we now have administration that made it
its goal to make Americahealthy again.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm hoping.
I've seen that it seems likethere's a little glimmer of hope
that it will make some majorchanges.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know, when you ask me to analyze this, I'll
tell you the following so I havea government policy that's
formulated through lobbying.
So money buys you a lobbyist,which then buys you a vote in
the Senate or therepresentatives, so it will

(31:58):
affect policy.
So we now have such policy thatwe promote growing of
carbohydrates, we promote wheat,corn, soy yeah, those are the
major ones, right, they'resubsidized, tax subsidized
carbohydrates.
So we grow those and wefertilize them and whatever

(32:22):
treat them with the lobbypromoted chemicals of the big
chemistry and big pharma.
So anyway so tax subsidized foodis grown and that it's
artificially cheaper than itshould be.
It's artificially cheaper thanit should be that ends up in

(32:44):
grocery stores, and now we'rebuying it with food stamps that
are tax-subsidized for peoplewho are needing our help.
Now those foods are creatingthe most illness possible.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And they're getting the most.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
So we now have the Medicare Medicaid tax-subsidized
pharmaceutical-driven healthcare.
It's a sick care system, so I'mfeeding the taxes into the
production, into what makes mesick, and I'm subsidizing the
purchasing of it so that I cantax-subsidize medical treatment.

(33:17):
That would not be necessary ifI didn't create the problem in
the first place.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
If we didn't, if you kept it a little bit more
simpler like you know what Imean, and if you discuss with
someone, if you just keep it alittle bit more simpler, people
could eat healthier.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, you would have to take away the economic
incentives.
There are money drivers thatare pushing it.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
That's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
But yeah, I agree.
Well, I mean, that's what thepolicies are hoping for.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
right, that's what these new you know, the new
nutritional guidelines arechanging and that's the hope
that we're starting to likereally make change on these.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, maybe we could start subsidizing broccoli and
lettuce instead of corn and soy.
That would be a nice step inthe right direction.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean I think we're.
I mean at least we got some ofthose dyes out like at least
banned.
I mean I'm hoping GMOs would befully banned, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, that's a microscopic step in the right
direction.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
So microscopic, but it's a little hope, a little
shimmer you know?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh, it's great, I'm delighted that it happened, okay
.
But you know, what's funny isjust it was just the word to
Kraft, Nabisco and Unilever, orwhoever they are is you're
already making these productsfor Europe and Canada, so just
start selling them in Americatoo.

(34:46):
Oh, and we give you two yearsto get it done.
Come on, just step on it.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, it's not too hard.
Yeah, I mean, they're alreadydoing it, so just make it happen
, right, you kind of go.
It's a whole other thing Ican't imagine.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I'll just say it this way.
So you have taken out the reddye out of my breakfast cereal.
The breakfast cereal is theproblem.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
How about no breakfast cereal?
We just talked about that.
My husband and I were justjoking about that because I have
a little one right.
And you know what do they want?
They want cereal, right, likeit's that quick thing.
And I said no because, likealmost all cereal, if you look
at the contents of it it's justjunk.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's the doorway to the metabolic disasters.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
For real, for real, and I'm like, no, not in our
house.
I mean, it took me forever evento find a semi, even like an
inkling, of some sort of cerealthat we have in our house that
doesn't have an added sugar ofsomething.
You know, it's like oh, youknow it won't taste good for
your son or whatever, and I'mlike I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, we need to go full circle to the metabolic
type.
I mean, if you are the typethat does need carbohydrates to
normalize, then yeah, okay, well, have some but have some.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But then you figure.
Then those that don't even know, like I.
I was talking to a colleague ofmine and she was just like I
don't know my child's young andstill I have a hard time now
when I see obese children.
That makes me even more likewhen you know, and then it's
just escalating, escalating.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay.
Well then, the food industry isdesigning foods to make them
more addictive.
It's by design.
It's really hard to resist.
You want more.
I mean, if you leave me alonewith a bag of Dorito chips, I
will find all the justificationsto empty the bag.
Yeah, I mean because it tastesso good, like if I'm going to do

(36:56):
potato chips or whateverpopcorn.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
All the justifications to empty the bag.
Yeah, I mean because it tastesso good, like, if I'm going to
do potato chips or whateverpopcorn, I don't have it in the
house, because if I have it inthe house you're going to eat it
.
Right, your Doritos, whateveryour bison.
Thank you, son, it's going tohappen.
So, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I have to take your quiz.
I love it.
That's the point.
That's the point, all right.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
What would you like to share with the audience
before you go today?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'd love for them to reach out a little additional
insight.
Well, I would like them to comeby Life Enthusiast that's
life-enthusiastcom and justbecome educated.
Start thinking.
It's the agency, it's the.
Not be a victim of thecircumstance.
Decide to take control of yourlife and you control your wallet
.
And when you spend money, youare placing an order for that

(37:49):
item to be replaced.
So think carefully as to whatyou're bringing home, because
more of that will be replaced.
So think carefully as to whatyou're bringing home, because
more of that will be made.
Is it worth feeding it toyourself, to your family?
Think about that.
Don't do it mindlessly.
Do it with resolve.
My wish is for people to stepout of being hypnotized by the

(38:16):
TV and whatever industry, andjust start thinking.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Do you find it more challenging now in the swiping
age?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, the swiping age , the short attention span is
really hard to explaincomplicated concepts Like you
hear me now throwing this nerdspeak, engineering, whatever
science-y thing.
Well, I'll dumb it down.
If you're feeling nervous, yourpH is off.

(38:50):
If you're feeling depressed,your pH is off.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
In the opposite direction Find what puts you
back together and do more ofthat.
And I also want to say did youwrite a book?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I have a whole lot of content, but it's a free e-book
that we give away.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Well, I'll have them reach out to you and look at
that too, because I feel likeyou have so much content.
I I feel like you have alsowritten a book somewhere in
there where you pretty much workwith all of that I could have
written four probably it soundslike it you have so much wealth
of knowledge I I'm learning justfrom your conversation.
I I feel like I know some, butyou know um those listening, I
hope they can get some insightand understand how, not just

(39:37):
that it may be complex, but insome way, if they are, just keep
it a little bit simple, youknow, and just start making
change.
But you're saying your best betis to do the quiz and find out
your endocrine.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Dominance.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Dominance.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Okay, yeah dominance, dominance.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Okay, yeah, what have you found most since?
Since you've had this is a newquestion I've done, since you've
had people do the quiz have youfound um more, more of one side
of the other and how many typesare there?
How many types are there?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
okay, well, so there are the two types.
One we have labels for it,one's called called oxidizer.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Right the oxidizer.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It can be fast oxidizer, balanced, or slow
oxidizer.
And then we have autonomic, andthey could be sympathetic,
balanced, or the parasympathetic.
And so if you wake up in themorning late and lazy

(40:35):
emotionally, what's the word?
Well, if you tend toward gloomyand depressive thoughts, you're
over-alkaline, you can be thereas a slow oxidizer or as a
parasympathetic.
So one gets out of there withcarbs, the other one gets out of
there with fats.
So you need to understand whichtype you are, because if you do

(40:57):
the wrong thing, you're goingto make yourself worse instead
of better.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
That makes a lot of sense.
Thinking about my own, you know, thinking about others.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
So like looking at you.
You know, physiologically yourendocrine dominance is very
likely thyroid, which makes youslender limbs.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Your wrists are not that yeah, I'm pretty small.
I'm pretty tiny.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, I was heavy at one point and then I lost a lot
of weight.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, now a thyroid type will gain weight,
starting around the belly buttonand go forward and then to the
hips.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
The adrenal ones are different.
They're built like… Muscular.
Well, they're like you know, inmen they are the linebackers,
not the quarterbacks.
In women, they would look morelike a gymnast rather than a
runway model.
You know all of the runwaymodels, all of the Victoria's

(41:55):
Secret models are thyroid types,every one of them.
Why the society decided thatthat's the look you look at,
sean Johnson or Simone Biles orwhatever, these are the adrenal
types.
They're built for explosivepower and strength.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Because their cortisol levels are usually
pretty extreme, pretty high theycan handle it, handle it you
know, I I do agree with you onthat because I've taken care of,
um, a number of athletes uh,professional athletes, and you
know, and usually doing ametabolic panel or functional
panels.
Um, you know, do the cortisolchecks and their, their cortisol
checks are through the roof,but their cortisol checks are

(42:35):
through the roof, but theircortisol checks are through the
roof.
For more, I mean, yes, theyneed to be brought down here and
there, but I find their trendsare always pretty high.
So I can absolutely agree withyou on that.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Well, the thyroid type will be deficient in the
metabolic function.
You need to support them withiodine more than anything.
You know the adrenal types canhandle all the coffee in the
world.
The thyroid types cannot.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Very interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Stimulants right.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Can you be mixed or no?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh, yeah, you can.
Well, it's a continuum.
A continuum.
If you can visualize athree-gland Venn diagram, you'll
be somewhere on that, with somedominance, something stronger
or not.
There are people who are way inthe middle, completely balanced
, undifferentiated.
They're really hard.

(43:26):
They're really hard to managebecause you can't offer them any
advice.
Anything you'll do is fine, Idon't care.
Do anything you'll do is fine Idon't care, do anything you
want.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Do you find um that there's different parts of like
you or do you think that there'sdifferent parts in like?
Let's say this let's go withjust the united states that
people are more balanced thannot, or is it just anywhere they
live probably could have anysort of balance.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I don't have statistics to tell you the
United.
States is a confusing thingbecause it has such mixing of
races.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Oh, I got you.
Yeah, I could tell you.
For example, it's a loadedquestion, I was a little no no,
no, pick a sub-Saharan Africa.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
You know the Gold Coast or whatever, from which
most of the Africans that arehere now, their ancestors came
from there.
Well, what did they eat there?
They ate shorebirds, fish,because they were mostly coastal
, some bushmeat.
There was no dairy that I knowof.
They had manioc tapioca.

(44:33):
They didn't have corn, theydidn't have wheat right.
So you import them here and tryto feed them the Italian diet,
and it's a fail.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I see Very interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Most I don't know Hispanics.
They are mostly coastal, mostof them fishing tribes.
But then you send it to Mexicoand start interbreeding with the
Aztecs and you have a whole newworld.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's a whole other.
I feel like you can have awhole other.
There's so much there, right.
There's so much that reallychanges the metabolic health.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah Well, the Europeans, you know they.
So you have the warm climateeuropeans, the italian and
french, and you have the coldones, the norwegians and brits
and scots, and what would youlike?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
when you've been lately with um clients, have you
been telling them more of youknow, at least take in these
superfoods.
Or I'd like you to at least youknow, reach out and just take,
you know, more knowledge from mywebsite.
Like, understand where I'mcoming from.
Like, how do you like to helpthese individuals that you see,
these clients?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Well, the number one thing is don't do the wrong
things.
Like it's, it should besubtractive at first.
Don't refine foods.
You know flour and salt andoils, just don't do it.
Fried food is not great.
Don't do that.
Fried food is not great, don'tdo that, let's go from there.

(46:17):
Get clean water, get all thetoxins out of your body.
Do not put chlorine andglyphosate in your body and you
have a pretty clean home, likeyour environment.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the soapshave to be free of fragrances,
because all the artificialfragrances are endocrine

(46:40):
disruptors.
The signs are all around us theloss of fertility, the loss of
interest in sex in the firstplace, the confusion of what
gender you are.
That's all the toxicity of theworld we live in.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
There's just a lot of dominance, like the extra
dominance, the toxic, likethere's so many wrong, like
there's so much irregularities,and it does come with.
I mean, I don't even know ifit's inflammatory process, I
just like there could be.
I don't even know if it'sinflammatory process, I just
like there could be a.
I don't even know if that's theright.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well, inflammation is a symptom of the body trying to
repair itself.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Getting back to a balance.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's broken that we're trying to fix.
Well, if you're eating a TacoBell, you're injuring your body.
Just by putting that stuff inyour gut You're wrecking your
inner terrain.
Antibiotics don't help.
I mean they can save you fromdying from an infection.

(47:43):
Don't get me wrong, but youneed to repair from the assault
that has wiped out your entireinner terrain.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, that's so, so sad.
People ask I'm like, yeah, Ifeel like that's all.
They want the quick fix.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
And then you go did you take some.
Oh yeah, you asked, how do we doit?
Well, we find people as theycome and we need to work with
them individually.
This is not a statisticalmedicine.
We need to understand what willtake you from where you are to
where you need to be, and it'snot the same thing for everyone.
And that's the beauty ofunderstanding the metabolic type

(48:22):
or the biological individuality.
And that's the one thing that Ihold against the industry, the
medical industry the most isthat they are not taking into
account biological individuality.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I don't think they are.
I don't think the personalizedmedicine and precision medicine
is really being looked at andthere's always that like
algorithm, I guess the word is.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, right, and statistical.
You know, if I were average, Iwould have one testicle, one
ovary, I would have one breast,my hair would be curly on half
of my head and it would bestraight on the other, and one
of my eyes would be brown andthe other one would be blue.
That's your average human, notpossible.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, doesn't make sense.
Yeah, so interesting.
Oh, it's been such a pleasurehaving you on I.
I feel like there's so muchmore we can dive into.
Um, I want to first, can you umlet the individuals know about
your two websites and the nameof your superfoods.
Thank you, well, the.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
the brand is called exula, that's spelled
e-x-s-u-l-a, and you'll find allof it on the life enthusiast
website, life-enthusiastcom andum.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
My last question for you is what's in um?
What's one of your main uhingredients in your superfood
that you, that people, are notgetting in their nutrients?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
They're super complex .
Oh, okay, they are 200 and 300.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Ingredient salads oh goodness, okay, when you make
your salad at home.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
You usually try to count it.
Maybe five yeah if I'm lucky,Five to 10.
We're putting together 300.
The iridesca is 350 ingredientsand the reason we do that is to
create a palette that willcover the whole thing.
It's like a symphony symphonicorchestra as opposed to a string

(50:26):
quartet.
We cover the whole thing.
Sounds wonderful and there arefunctional fillers in there, we
need fiber, we need em in there,we need fiber, we need
emulsification, we need oils forfats, we need pigments and
proanthocyanidins, blah, blah,blah All these complicated words

(50:47):
that you don't really need toknow about.
But all of the things you know,the adaptogenics, the
macronutrients, themicronutrients, the minerals,
the vitamins, all of the stuffthat you need.
You need all of it insufficient, meaningful quantity.
And that's been the downfall ofthe industry is they don't make

(51:10):
it absorbable.
There's another point right,when we make these superfoods,
we micronize them.
Your body will extractnutrients only from the surface
layer of what's ingested.
So if you're not chewing well,you have less surface area from

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which to extract the nutrients.
Well, we mill it down to verytiny particle size so that a lot
of the surface is exposed.
So you will get more out of ateaspoon of a finely milled
product than you get out of atablespoon of something that's
coarse.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Mm-hmm, that's fascinating.
I can't wait to have it formyself.
So I want to try it out becauseI think I could always add in
I'm probably in some mannernutrient dense in some way.
When I think I'm doing okay, Istill feel like I could improve.
Yeah Well, it's been a pleasurehaving you on and I really
appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It's a real pleasure to be here.
Thank you for asking.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And I, yeah, I'm very fascinated by your work and I
think that people need to behere.
Thank you for asking and I,yeah, I, I I'm very fascinated
by your work and I think thatpeople need to be educated a
little bit more.
I mean that when they come inthe podcast, listen a little bit
more, but I really think that,um understanding this, their
type, um understanding what theyput in their bodies and, you
know, asking a little bit morequestions, and if they are able

(52:33):
to get some of your superfoodslike I'm going to go try myself,
I'll let you know more about itand I'll put all of the
information in the show notes.
So, thank you again.
Thank you, have a good day,guys, and make sure you make it
a mindful way every day.