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What happens when your self-hatred runs so deep you can't even look in a mirror without crying? And how do you then pursue a career in acting in Los Angeles, competing alongside "the most beautiful women in the world"?
Katherine Norland's transformation from a self-loathing young woman to confident actor, author, and coach offers powerful insights for anyone struggling with worthiness. Growing up in a trailer park in Minnesota, Katherine developed deep-seated beliefs about her inadequacy that shaped every aspect of her life. Her breakthrough came not through achieving external validation, but by discovering her inherent worth through faith.
"When I stopped listening to what the haters were saying, what the trolls on the internet were saying, and I started listening to what the God who created me had to say about me, I realized I'm not that bad, I'm pretty great," Katherine shares with remarkable vulnerability. This shift in perspective didn't happen overnight but emerged through a process she likens to seed growth: "The roots have to go down deeper before the fruits can appear."
For listeners battling negative self-talk, Katherine offers practical strategies including "baby affirmations" - starting with smaller, believable positive statements before building to larger ones. She explains how carrying yourself with confidence changes how others perceive and treat you, using the powerful metaphor of being "a child of the king" who doesn't need to earn respect but inherits it by birthright.
Whether you're seeking spiritual grounding for your self-worth or practical tools to build confidence, this conversation provides breakthrough insights about recognizing your value regardless of external circumstances. What's your foundation for believing in your own worth?
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Fatima Bey (00:01):
Welcome to MindShift Power Podcast, the only
international podcast focused onteens, connecting young voices
and perspectives from around theworld.
Get ready to explore the issuesthat matter to today's youth
and shape tomorrow's world.
I'm your host, fatima Bey theMindShifter, and welcome
(00:24):
everyone.
Today we have with us CatherineNorland.
She is out of California in theUS.
She is an actor, an author, aspeaker and a coach.
How are you today, catherine?
Katherine Norland (00:35):
I'm wonderful .
Thank you for having me.
Fatima Bey (00:37):
Well, thank you for coming on.
I like to dive right in, so Ihave you on here for a
particular reason, so tell us alittle bit about your background
.
Katherine Norland (00:48):
Well, I grew up in a small town in southern
Minnesota and kind of surroundedby cornfields.
I grew up in a trailer park.
My parents did not have much atall.
I would get made fun of inschool sometimes for wearing
clothes from the thrift storeand I had really low self-esteem
.
I can't really pinpoint whereit came from, but I just had
(01:11):
this sense, at least as far backas I can remember, that there
was something not good enoughabout me or that people didn't
like me and it kind of shapedeverything I did and my
relationships at school andreally I had this yearning that
I had to go over and above andbe an over performer and do more
(01:33):
and more just to be worthy toeven have friends.
I just had this feeling that Iwasn't good enough and that
unworthiness kind of shaped mywhole life, unfortunately.
Fatima Bey (01:45):
And there are lots of girls listening right now who
are where you were, and so whydo you have a focus on helping
women to recognize theirworthiness now?
Katherine Norland (01:55):
Well, I didn't know that I had inherent
worth and value.
That was given to me by mycreator, by God, regardless of
what I looked like, what I did,what I accomplished, where I
grew up, you know, whatever myhistory was, I didn't know that
I had worth just by being alive.
(02:17):
And sometimes we forget.
You know, the Bible says Godmade us in his image and in his
likeness.
So we are a reflection of him.
But sometimes we compareourselves to those around us,
those we see on social media,those who seem to have it all
together.
They've got all the outwardthings, and we think, when we're
comparing ourselves to theseoutward things, that we're not
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enough.
Forgetting that's not where ourtrue value comes from.
Fatima Bey (02:41):
You are so right and there's a lot of young women
out there who currently feelthat way in all over the world
not just in the US, but all overthe world.
So I have you on here, not justbecause of your background, but
what do you do right now thathelps young women to recognize
their worth?
Katherine Norland (02:57):
Yeah, well, one of the things I do as an
actor is I'm a part of a showcalled Dhar Mann which is on
YouTube, and it's one of the topshows that really helps change
people's lives by seeingthemselves portrayed in
different ways and differentresolutions of what they're
going through in life.
But I've also written a bookcalled you Are Worthy, which is
(03:20):
to help people stop sabotagingtheir dreams and building
everyone else's so they can stepinto their calling and live
their purpose with confidence,and I have a course by the same
name.
I've written several books onthe topic of self-worth and
seeing yourself the way God doesand overcoming obstacles and
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goals, because it's such a heartof mine, because I feel like I
wasted at least the first 20years, 30 years of my life,
trying to be somebody that I'mnot just to impress people that
I wasn't even meant to impress.
Fatima Bey (03:54):
Oh, exactly, exactly .
There's so many people we'retalking to teens today, but
there's so many of those adultteens who are still living that
they're still trying to impresseverybody else and instead of
being their true selves.
But mostly, mostly, we do thatbecause we don't know who we are
.
We figure out who we are, we'retrying to be everyone else.
Let's go back to when you wereyounger.
(04:16):
You talked about the fact thatyou grew up with this sense of
unworthiness, and I almoststarted tearing up when you said
it, because I just I felt it.
Katherine Norland (04:23):
I literally felt it when you said it.
Fatima Bey (04:26):
That little girl was hurting a lot, and all the
other little girls out thereright now who are hurting like
that.
How did that sense ofunworthiness affect your career?
Katherine Norland (04:36):
Well, this is the crazy part.
So I had such low self-esteem Icouldn't even look in the
mirror without crying.
As a matter of fact, I wasgoing to Bible college thinking
I really wanted to help people,thinking that when I grew up I
was going to be a pastor or atherapist or a teacher or
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something like that.
And then I started to get thesense that God was calling me to
move to Los Angeles and becomean actor and I thought, well,
that's just crazy.
But I was trying to be obedient.
So I signed up to take thisacting course in Minneapolis and
I talk about this in my you AreWorthy book and course.
But in this class the teacherwas saying there's three primary
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emotions and every emotion thatyou're going to tell on screen
comes from these three bucketsanger, sadness, happiness.
And he wanted us to portraysomething from the sadness
bucket without using words.
So he started to call everybodyup to the front of the
classroom and we're supposed toemote sadness, like he wanted us
to think of something tragicthat happened so we could really
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get sad and have real tears.
And one by one, everybody wentup to the front of the classroom
.
They did this and it started toget towards the tears and, one
by one, everybody went up to thefront of the classroom.
They did this and it started toget towards the end and I was
like hiding behind some otherpeople because I didn't want to
go up front and I was so scared.
He calls my name and my heart'slike something like a ADHD
jackrabbit on steroids.
And I finally went up and he'slike well, just no stress, don't
(06:02):
worry about it, just think ofsomething sad.
And within moments I juststarted bawling.
I was sobbing uncontrollablyand I couldn't stop myself and
all my fear just faded awaybecause I was so lost in my
sadness.
And when I was done, I lookedaround the room and everyone was
(06:22):
just like whoa, what justhappened?
And the teacher said so whatwere you thinking of?
Was there a fire?
Did you lose your grandma?
And he started naming all thesereally heavy things and I said
no, I just pictured myselflooking in the mirror and then
you can hear a pin drop.
It's like you could hear a pindrop.
(06:43):
Some people were nervouslychuckling, some people were like
but she's crazy, this is nother first acting class, she's
just pretending.
But I really believed I wasugly and hideous and disgusting
and that no one would ever wantto be my friend, and that was a
huge hurdle to get over.
When suddenly I moved to LosAngeles, the epicenter of beauty
(07:05):
, where everybody out here wasprom king or prom queen or in
Miss America pageants orwhatever.
And now I'm competing againstall the most beautiful women in
the world and I couldn't evenlook in the mirror.
Fatima Bey (07:20):
I used to be that girl too and I get it, get it.
I really I totally get it.
And there are lots of youngwomen as a coach I.
One of the things I have uh,some of my clients mostly work
up to, because most of themcan't do it in the beginning is
to look in the mirror.
I have them say certain thingsto themselves in the mirror and
it is one of the hardest thingsfor them to do, and mostly
(07:42):
because it's hard to faceyourself when you don't think
you're worth anything.
And there are so many otheryoung women out there who, who
really are where you were.
And so even when you said thatto me you said I just pictured
myself looking in the mirror mywhole heart just dropped, just
dropped the pin dropped insidemy head when you said that,
because it's like whoa.
(08:04):
So what has made you recognizeyour worth?
What's given you confidence?
Where did the change happen?
Katherine Norland (08:10):
You know, I grew up as a Christian, but I
didn't necessarily know that Godloved me.
You hear that.
But it seemed like it was truefor everybody else but me.
Like you want to say, yeah,well, he loves everyone.
So, of course, yeah, he mightlove me.
But I didn't think that I wasspecial, unique, set apart, that
(08:34):
I had anything going for me.
And it wasn't until I reallystarted delving into what the
Word of God had to say and allthese scriptures that kind of
made it seem like it didn'tmatter where you came from or
who you are, that you could bebroken and fallen apart and that
God would still have a purposefor you.
And I remember certainscriptures like let the foolish
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things of the world confound thewise.
And I thought, wow, like Icould be a fool, I could be
stupid, and and I could Godcould still use me to confound
the wise, Like I'm going to.
I'm a fool.
Anyway, I could be a fool for.
God, and then all these thingsabout being a broken vessel,
that we are just these brokenjars of clay and it's not.
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That's not the thing that makesus not worthy.
What makes us worthy is that wehave this treasure in earthen
vessels, that the fullness ofGod dwells within us and that
God is willing to come into ourlives and sup with us and have a
relationship with us and love.
And realizing the enormity ofthat statement and believing it
(09:44):
and then starting to reallydelve into, well, what does the
scripture say about me?
Because when you buy a newphone and you want to know how
it works, you read theinstruction manual.
And I realized, well, Godcreated me and he left this book
and maybe if I read it, I'llunderstand how I work and how I
operate.
And when I stopped listening towhat the people of the world
(10:06):
were saying, what the haterswere saying, what the trolls on
the internet were saying, and Istarted listening to what the
God who created me had to sayabout me, I realized I'm not
that bad, I'm pretty great.
God says I'm the head and notthe tail, above only and not
beneath.
He says nothing shall beimpossible for me.
He said whatever I put my handsto will prosper and promise
(10:28):
after promise after promise, Irealized I'm not as terrible as
I made myself out to be andeveryone listening, you are not
the person you are accusingyourself of being.
Fatima Bey (10:41):
I love the way you just worded that the person you
are accusing yourself of being.
I love the way you just wordedthat the person you are accusing
yourself of being.
That is so accurate, and I usedto do a lot of that negative
self-talk too, and my story isis is similar in that my
foundation for confidence.
People see me as a strong,confident woman, but they don't.
But they don't know my story,that it took to get there, but a
(11:02):
large.
It's a multiple reasons, but alarge foundational reason is my
relationship with God andrealizing that the one who made
me finds me worthy and the onewho made me saw greatness in me
because he put it there.
And if you're listening rightnow, young women, even young men
, there is greatness in you.
You were born with it.
You just have to find it.
(11:23):
It's already there.
It's like a seed.
There's an orchard inside anapple seed, but not until you
plant it, right yeah?
Katherine Norland (11:30):
And not only that.
What a lot of times we don'trealize the uncomfortable part
is when you get planted as thatseed, you're down in the dark
and it's cold and you're aloneand you have to die.
The outer shell, the outwardthings, have to die in order for
that seed to crack open andgrow.
(11:50):
And even when you are growingto the best of your ability,
people aren't going to see it atfirst, because the roots have
to go down deeper before thefruits can appear.
So we sometimes feel like I'vedone all this self-work I'm
growing, I'm growing, I'mgrowing, but nothing is
happening.
No one can see the fruit.
And that's because the betterwe grow and the longer we grow
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underground, the bigger andhigher and taller we'll be able
to reach and the more fruit wewill have and the more medicine
we'll have in our leaves.
That can be a blessing toothers.
But we got to do the work onourself in the dark, in the cold
, in the shadows, before we comeout the other side.
I freaking love you.
Fatima Bey (12:33):
I just love the way you took my apple seed analogy.
You just went deep down inthere and so beautifully, so, so
, so beautifully, and you'rea're 100 right and every single
thing you just said uh, you knowit's.
It's progress as a process iswhat I always say, and you
basically just explain that in adifferent way.
Progress is a process.
(12:53):
And so, speaking of that, whatdoes it look like when we
actually start buildingconfidence in ourself?
Because a lot of times we say,oh, build confidence, and we
think we're supposed to justsuddenly arrive.
With a lot of times we say, oh,build confidence, and we think
we're supposed to just suddenlyarrive with a ray of sunlight
and I'm confident, now I'vearrived, and we both know that's
not reality.
So what does reality look likewhen you're in the midst of
building confidence?
Katherine Norland (13:26):
and the stepping out.
An analogy I like to use is howwould I act and how would I
operate if I had already arrived, if I was already at that level
, like when I moved to LA, I wasdoing a lot of student films
and low budget films and freefilms and I wasn't getting paid
and I was saying yes to thingsthat I wouldn't have said yes to
had I already arrived or had Ialready thought I was worthy
enough or believed in myself.
And I think if you just startsaying where is the ultimate me
(13:50):
wanting to be, where do I wannago once I've seen this whole
thing come to fruition andfulfillment, and that I am
walking in who I want to be,what decisions would I make at
that point and how can I startmaking those decisions now?
If I would say no to this onceI've arrived, why am I saying
yes to it now and starting tohold yourself at higher
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standards like you would have?
And sometimes people go.
I don't want to fake it till Imake it, or I don't want to do
these affirmations because it'snot true.
Well, it actually is true,because Jesus himself said call
those things that be, not asthough they were.
So you are calling forth intofruition, into the future, what
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you want to be, and the more youdo that and you grab it and you
pull it down into the now andyou start operating as the ideal
person you want to be.
If I wanted to be a JuliaRoberts or a Sandra Bullock or a
Viola Davis, why am I sayingyes to these pathetic, dumb
scripts that aren't goinganywhere?
(14:55):
Just because I'm so hungry toprove myself, to prove that I'm
an actor, to prove that peoplewant me and I'm accepted.
No, you got to start saying nomore often so you can say yes to
yourself and your future selfand who you want to be.
Fatima Bey (15:10):
So what I'm hearing is that when confidence begins
to grow within us, we begin tomake different choices.
Absolutely, I mean that's justshowing up differently in our
lives.
Katherine Norland (15:20):
That's the tip of the iceberg, but that's a
great start.
Fatima Bey (15:23):
Yeah, and that's that's important to know.
And the reason I'm mentioningthat for the audience is because
sometimes, when we are in themidst of our process, we don't
recognize our own growth.
And I always say change is oneof the hardest things to see
within ourselves and around us.
Change happens slowly and tinybit by tiny bit, and one
decision at a time is how youmake a change happen.
(15:43):
I'm going to reword part ofwhat you said in that we learned
through repetition as humanbeings, when you said fake it
till you make it.
Affirmations are weird whenyou're first doing them for
anybody and I do have all mycoaching clients do affirmations
, different ones, but I have allof them do different forms of
affirmations because I believein them.
But the reason I believe inthem is because when you
constantly speak something, goodor bad, it begins to you begin
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to believe it number one and itbegins to manifest itself
because you keep speaking itinto existence.
And that's the reason why someof you think you're stupid
because you've been told thatall your life.
You've been told over and overagain.
You're stupid because you don'tfit into the standard school
system.
You're not stupid.
Some of you are actually moreintelligent than the people who
called you stupid.
You think you are great.
You're a spoiled brat whothinks you're great because you
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were told you were great yourwhole life.
And the truth is you ain't thatgreat, but you've been told
that, so you believe it, so itdoesn't matter.
It works true for both good andbad.
If you continually tellyourself and that little voice
in your head tells you you'redumb, you're not worth it,
you're whatever negativestatements, well, that's what
you're going to believe becauseyou're constantly you're
coaching yourself into believingthat.
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So it's so important that we do.
You know what Catherine wasjust saying talk those positive
things, work towards somethingas if it's happening.
This podcast is happening rightnow because I behaved as if it
was already big.
And now I'm international on 60plus platforms around the world
, blah, blah, blah.
And now people are reaching outto me to be on my podcast.
Yay, you know.
(17:08):
But but when I first started, Ihad to reach out to people.
That's growth, it's wonderful.
And I'm not even where I'mgoing to be a year from now.
Hey, that's great.
But I didn't go into podcastingacting like I hope I make it.
I set it up for when I make it.
Different mentality.
Believing it, yes, yes, that'sthe key word.
Believing it, and when you havelow self-esteem it's really
(17:30):
hard to believe it, but itsounds like for you what you
believed in was your maker andthat helped you believe in
yourself.
Katherine Norland (17:37):
Yeah, and I like to, instead of saying fake
it till you make it, I like tosay faith it till you make it.
Having that faith, faith ittill you make it is.
Sometimes, when you don't havethe belief in yourself, you
borrow somebody else's belief.
You borrow the belief that Godhas in you, or you borrow the
belief of your mentor or yourcoach or your teacher, or
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there's somebody in your lifethat believes in you, it's a
friend, and you believe whatthey say before you believe your
own negative thoughts.
I was reading recently that ittakes 13 positive affirmations
to overcome one negative remarkthat was said to you.
So if someone says you'restupid or whatever, you have to
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hear 13 positive things just tooutdo that one thing.
This is why it's so importantthat you do your affirmations.
And one little tip for those ofyou who are new to affirmations
is I would tell you, don't makethem super big and grandiose
initially starting out, becausethen you won't believe it and
you won't have faith in it.
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So sometimes you have to makelittle baby affirmations first
till you can grow into thebigger one.
So if you are brand new and youfeel like you are at the bottom
, you don't want to makeaffirmations that are like I am
a billionaire and this, you knowstuff that you actually don't
truly believe.
You might want to start outjust by saying every month, I
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always have more than enough topay all my bills, and you start
small saying things like thatrather than the big ones, and
then you grow.
When that becomes nothing foryou, when it becomes true, then
you make the affirmations biggerand bigger.
But there's something about ifyou make them too big, you don't
believe it and you push it awayand it could be more
detrimental.
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So start with baby affirmationsif you're new to it.
Fatima Bey (19:26):
I love that and you're 100% right the small
steps to get to big places isthe way we need to approach just
about everything in life Anykind of growth or success.
That's how we need to approachit Small steps to get to big
places.
So, going back to your career,you've had this change.
It affected your career whenyou were younger.
But now, how has this positive,how has this change for you
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positively affected your career?
Katherine Norland (19:51):
Yeah, I used to think back when I had the
really low self-esteem oh, I'mnot getting parts because I'm
not any good, I'm not prettyenough, I'm too fat, I'm this,
I'm that and it had nothing todo with it really, because when
you walk into a room, a lot oftimes the directors, producers,
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casting directors, are makingtheir judgments.
Like, within the first sevenseconds, All you've said is hi,
how are you?
And that's determined whetherthey're even considering you for
the part or not, before youeven say your first words of the
speech.
How you carry yourself.
You see, people can readdesperation, they can read low
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self-esteem.
That's why a lot of people withlow self-esteem the egotists
and narcissists of the worldthey see you coming, they pray
on you and you're like why do Ialways get screwed over?
Well, you kind of set the tonefor how people treat you when
you don't realize it, when youwalk into a room with confidence
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not necessarily because youthink you deserve it, but
because of God, who says you arehis child and you walk into the
room like, hey, I am the princeor princess of the king, I am a
child of God, no one can messwith me, and you start to carry
yourself as a child of the king.
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People are going to treat youdifferently.
It's like back when they weretrying to enter the promised
land in the Bible and God sentthose spies into the land and 10
of the 12 spies came backsaying we can't do it, we'll
never overtake them.
We're like grasshoppers intheir sight.
They're going to squash us.
And two of the people, joshuaand Caleb, were like no, oh man,
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we got this.
We are well able to overcomethem.
When they went into the land,the people that were nervous and
they felt that they weregrasshoppers.
That's how the giants saw them.
They saw them as grasshoppers.
So part of the reason we getseen as nothing is because we're
first projecting that and otherpeople are picking up on it.
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So it's up to you to go into theroom, whether you feel you
deserve it or not, and sayyou're going to treat me with
dignity, you're going to treatme with respect.
That is how I am carryingmyself and in real life, like if
you lived right in England,where they actually do have
kings and queens, the child ofthe king they don't think well,
(22:23):
I have to look a certain way, Ihave to achieve these things, I
have to have it.
They're like no, my dad is king, I get whatever I want and you
will treat me with respect.
They don't feel like they hadto have earned it.
They don't feel like they hadto have grown up a certain way
or do whatever Because of theirlineage.
They know who they are and wehave to start remembering we are
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a child of the king and we havea legal regal heritage and we
need to walk around holding ourhead up high like we belong
because we are children of theking.
Fatima Bey (22:59):
I love that Very, very, very different mindset.
And again it goes back to whatI was saying earlier If you
don't know who you are, youallow everyone else to tell you,
but once you know who you are,people need to just move out the
way.
So tell us about this book thatyou have called you Are Worthy.
Katherine Norland (23:26):
So you Are Worthy is a book that I wrote
and it was about my journey fromself-hate into self-love by
finding out what God had to sayabout me, and it really helps
people see where their trueworth and their value comes from
and how it's not determined byanything outwardly.
It's not determined by any waythat the world judges us in the
outward things of our lineage,our money, our heritage, what
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we've accomplished, and it'sreally about your intrinsic
value and worth.
And I give a lot of storiesfrom my life and my acting
career and how I overcame it anddifferent exercises that you
can apply to yourself, liketowards chapter 14 and 15 of the
you Are Worthy book.
I have the sight method and howto start seeing yourself the
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way God sees you.
So it really helps you hone inon how you are God's favorite
creation.
It really helps you hone in onhow you are God's favorite
creation and, like when Godcreated all the things you know,
one day he's creating the starsand the moon and he's creating
the fish and the sea, and he'screating all these beautiful
(24:30):
things.
But on and every day he said itis good, it is good, it is good
, but it wasn't good enoughbecause he wasn't done.
And then on the final day hemade us and he was like this is
very good.
It's the first time God usedthe word very.
It is very good.
So all the other things that wethink are amazing the bunny
(24:52):
rabbits, the Bengal tigers, themost beautiful vacation spots
you could ever look at areamazing.
The bunny rabbits, the Bengaltigers, the most beautiful
vacation spots you could everlook at are nothing.
They're good.
But when God made you, he saidyou are very good.
And he was like drop the mic.
I got nothing after that.
And he rested, god rested.
He didn't feel the need tocreate anything else because you
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were the ultimate in hiscreation.
He didn't even make the angelsin his likeness and image.
He made you in his likeness andimage.
Fatima Bey (25:24):
Wow, that's a lot.
So, Catherine, I want to askyou what do you have to say to
all the teenage girls that arelistening right now?
Katherine Norland (25:32):
What advice.
Fatima Bey (25:33):
Would you just one piece of advice?
I know there's a lot, but onepiece of advice that you would
give to teenagers.
Listening right now.
Katherine Norland (25:39):
That you are enough.
You are worthy just the way youare, without changing a single
thing about your outward status,that you have everything it
takes already to become theperson you want to be, to live
the dreams you want to live, tohave a life you want to live.
And any thoughts that arecontrary, anyone who's told you
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you're nothing, you're nevergoing to make it, you don't have
what it takes they're notspeaking the truth, they're
liars.
And the Old Testament tells us,when we delight ourselves in
God, he will give us the desiresof our heart.
Matthew 6.33 tells us if weseek first the kingdom of God,
then all these things shall beadded unto us.
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God has plans for you that youcannot even fathom, plans for
good and not for evil, to giveyou a future and a hope.
As Jeremiah 29 tells us,nothing is impossible for you
unless you believe it is so.
The book of Proverbs tells usnothing is impossible for you
unless you believe it is so.
The book of Proverbs tells us asa person thinks in his heart,
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so is he.
So you will become what youthink.
You will become what yourthoughts are.
And if you want to escape fromwhere you are now and go to the
place you can only imagine.
You have to think it first inyour heart and believe it and
know it.
You can't believe it after itcomes.
You have to believe it beforeit comes.
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You have to have that faithbefore you see it happen.
This isn't the show me state.
Show me, then I'll believe it.
It's I believe it and then Iwill achieve it.
Fatima Bey (27:12):
Yes, faith comes before the manifestation, and
that is always true.
Katherine Norland (27:17):
Could I?
Would it be okay with you if Iread one of the poems called
Child of the King from one of mybooks?
Sure, okay.
So I have a book out calledPoetic Prescriptions for Pesky
Problems and it's one of mypoetry books and this is kind of
the message I want everyone tohear.
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It's called Child of the King.
We come into a sinful world,fallen as we are, but God will
elevate our status, raise thebar beyond a splendor we imagine
we could see where King Eternalhas decreed that we would be.
How can you make a differencein another's life if you let
sharp-tongued comments slice youlike a knife?
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Now leave your pity party andembrace your call.
You're part of a royal heritage.
Don't be thinking small.
You are worthy child.
Get your robe down from thatshelf, go on, put it on.
Girl, you better love yourself.
There is no lineage or giftsyou need to bring, for God will
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elevate, equip you with allthings.
You're a regent here on earth,endowed with what you need so to
fulfill your noble duties andsucceed.
When will you grasp your legal,regal family line and
discontinue your delay and wasteof time, lamenting like your
peasants, crying oh poor me.
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Now, why do you deny that youare royalty.
You are chosen, child.
Get your scepter from thatshelf.
Go on, hold it firm boy.
You better love yourself.
This kingdom has been given toyou for doing good.
Use your divine identity.
Do with it what you should.
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Hold out your royal scepter sothat others can see and lead
your fellow countrymen to findtheir destiny.
You must claim that position tofully walk within it and use
your rank to rescue theoppressed from the pit.
Don't let improper mindset andlowly self-esteem make you
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forget he died so you could beredeemed.
You are capable, child.
Get your crown down from thatshelf.
Go on, wear it proud queen.
You better love yourself.
You can't be nervous when thedevil raids your mind.
As children of the king, you'vegot the power to bind.
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Bind up that liar, so he is nota hindrance.
Use Jesus' name and he must bowin reverence.
Be not beset by insecurity.
Be brave.
Think you're not worthy of thepalace so you cave into the foul
accuser's lies who only wantsyou pained when you are titled,
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you belong.
You've been ordained.
You are unstoppable.
Child, get your signet from thatshelf.
Go on, make your mark king.
You better love yourself.
Don't listen to the serfs andthe opinions that they bring,
when trusted chief advisors arewaiting there with wings.
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Inherit your birthright.
Become a potentate Now.
Hold your head up high.
Don't walk askew, but straight.
The king has preordained thatyou bring his realm glory.
You have yet to have thecrowning moment in your story.
No, you're not ignorant.
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Led blindly to the slaughter,it's time to rule and reign as
the king's son and daughter.
You are victorious Child.
Get yourself down from thatshelf.
Go now, sit on your throne.
Child, you better love yourself.
You wrote all of that.
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Yeah, it's from my book, that'sa lot.
It's a call to who you are.
Fatima Bey (31:17):
Yeah, no, it is, and I hear it because I'm the type
of person where you readsomething like that and I start
picturing everything you'resaying like a cartoon.
So, I was seeing a cartoon thewhole time you were talking, and
no, but I like the imagery ofroyalty that many people
actually need to hear andunderstand.
Not only understand, but get tothe point where they actually
(31:39):
believe it.
Yeah, um well, katherine, thankyou for coming on.
Uh, before we go tell peoplehow they can find you, sure?
Katherine Norland (31:46):
so I am on youtube and instagram and
facebook under katherine norlandand you can download a free
gift from me some coursework outof my video course called you
Are Worthy, by going tofreegiftfromcoachkatcom, and
that's Kat with a Kfreegiftfromcoachkatcom and
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those links will be in the shownotes as well.
Fatima Bey (32:11):
So thank you, Catherine, for coming on today.
I really appreciate it and Ihope that this episode really
touches.
Even if it just touches one,it's worth it, Thank you Fatima.
And now for a mind shiftingmoment, I want to plant a
thought seed in your mind today,for every single listener out
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there.
I want you to ask yourself acouple of questions.
Number one what is myself-worth?
I want you to ask yourself whatyour self-worth is.
For some of you, the answerswill be good.
For some of you it'll be bad.
For all of you it'll bedifferent.
No matter what, that answer isgood or bad or a mixture of both
.
Ask yourself this next questionwhat is it based out of?
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What is the foundation for mybelief in what my worth is and
who I am?
Is your foundation in thepraises of others?
Is it in knowing who you werecreated to be?
What is it?
That's a question for you toanswer, and those answers are
going to lead to other thoughts.
Thank you for listening.
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conversation that's changingyoung lives everywhere.
And always remember there'spower in shifting your thinking.
Welcome to MindShift Power Podcast, the only
international podcast focused onteens, connecting young voices
and perspectives from around theworld.
Get ready to explore the issuesthat matter to today's youth
and shape tomorrow's world.
I'm your host, fatima Bey theMindShifter, and welcome
(00:24):
everyone.
Today we have with us CatherineNorland.
She is out of California in theUS.
She is an actor, an author, aspeaker and a coach.
How are you today, catherine?
Katherine Norland (00:35):
I'm wonderful .
Thank you for having me.
Fatima Bey (00:37):
Well, thank you for coming on.
I like to dive right in, so Ihave you on here for a
particular reason, so tell us alittle bit about your background
.
Katherine Norland (00:48):
Well, I grew up in a small town in southern
Minnesota and kind of surroundedby cornfields.
I grew up in a trailer park.
My parents did not have much atall.
I would get made fun of inschool sometimes for wearing
clothes from the thrift storeand I had really low self-esteem
.
I can't really pinpoint whereit came from, but I just had
(01:11):
this sense, at least as far backas I can remember, that there
was something not good enoughabout me or that people didn't
like me and it kind of shapedeverything I did and my
relationships at school andreally I had this yearning that
I had to go over and above andbe an over performer and do more
(01:33):
and more just to be worthy toeven have friends.
I just had this feeling that Iwasn't good enough and that
unworthiness kind of shaped mywhole life, unfortunately.
Fatima Bey (01:45):
And there are lots of girls listening right now who
are where you were, and so whydo you have a focus on helping
women to recognize theirworthiness now?
Katherine Norland (01:55):
Well, I didn't know that I had inherent
worth and value.
That was given to me by mycreator, by God, regardless of
what I looked like, what I did,what I accomplished, where I
grew up, you know, whatever myhistory was, I didn't know that
I had worth just by being alive.
(02:17):
And sometimes we forget.
You know, the Bible says Godmade us in his image and in his
likeness.
So we are a reflection of him.
But sometimes we compareourselves to those around us,
those we see on social media,those who seem to have it all
together.
They've got all the outwardthings, and we think, when we're
comparing ourselves to theseoutward things, that we're not
(02:37):
enough.
Forgetting that's not where ourtrue value comes from.
Fatima Bey (02:41):
You are so right and there's a lot of young women
out there who currently feelthat way in all over the world
not just in the US, but all overthe world.
So I have you on here, not justbecause of your background, but
what do you do right now thathelps young women to recognize
their worth?
Katherine Norland (02:57):
Yeah, well, one of the things I do as an
actor is I'm a part of a showcalled Dhar Mann which is on
YouTube, and it's one of the topshows that really helps change
people's lives by seeingthemselves portrayed in
different ways and differentresolutions of what they're
going through in life.
But I've also written a bookcalled you Are Worthy, which is
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to help people stop sabotagingtheir dreams and building
everyone else's so they can stepinto their calling and live
their purpose with confidence,and I have a course by the same
name.
I've written several books onthe topic of self-worth and
seeing yourself the way God doesand overcoming obstacles and
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goals, because it's such a heartof mine, because I feel like I
wasted at least the first 20years, 30 years of my life,
trying to be somebody that I'mnot just to impress people that
I wasn't even meant to impress.
Fatima Bey (03:54):
Oh, exactly, exactly .
There's so many people we'retalking to teens today, but
there's so many of those adultteens who are still living that
they're still trying to impresseverybody else and instead of
being their true selves.
But mostly, mostly, we do thatbecause we don't know who we are
.
We figure out who we are, we'retrying to be everyone else.
Let's go back to when you wereyounger.
(04:16):
You talked about the fact thatyou grew up with this sense of
unworthiness, and I almoststarted tearing up when you said
it, because I just I felt it.
Katherine Norland (04:23):
I literally felt it when you said it.
Fatima Bey (04:26):
That little girl was hurting a lot, and all the
other little girls out thereright now who are hurting like
that.
How did that sense ofunworthiness affect your career?
Katherine Norland (04:36):
Well, this is the crazy part.
So I had such low self-esteem Icouldn't even look in the
mirror without crying.
As a matter of fact, I wasgoing to Bible college thinking
I really wanted to help people,thinking that when I grew up I
was going to be a pastor or atherapist or a teacher or
(04:56):
something like that.
And then I started to get thesense that God was calling me to
move to Los Angeles and becomean actor and I thought, well,
that's just crazy.
But I was trying to be obedient.
So I signed up to take thisacting course in Minneapolis and
I talk about this in my you AreWorthy book and course.
But in this class the teacherwas saying there's three primary
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emotions and every emotion thatyou're going to tell on screen
comes from these three bucketsanger, sadness, happiness.
And he wanted us to portraysomething from the sadness
bucket without using words.
So he started to call everybodyup to the front of the
classroom and we're supposed toemote sadness, like he wanted us
to think of something tragicthat happened so we could really
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get sad and have real tears.
And one by one, everybody wentup to the front of the classroom
.
They did this and it started toget towards the tears and, one
by one, everybody went up to thefront of the classroom.
They did this and it started toget towards the end and I was
like hiding behind some otherpeople because I didn't want to
go up front and I was so scared.
He calls my name and my heart'slike something like a ADHD
jackrabbit on steroids.
And I finally went up and he'slike well, just no stress, don't
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worry about it, just think ofsomething sad.
And within moments I juststarted bawling.
I was sobbing uncontrollablyand I couldn't stop myself and
all my fear just faded awaybecause I was so lost in my
sadness.
And when I was done, I lookedaround the room and everyone was
(06:22):
just like whoa, what justhappened?
And the teacher said so whatwere you thinking of?
Was there a fire?
Did you lose your grandma?
And he started naming all thesereally heavy things and I said
no, I just pictured myselflooking in the mirror and then
you can hear a pin drop.
It's like you could hear a pindrop.
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Some people were nervouslychuckling, some people were like
but she's crazy, this is nother first acting class, she's
just pretending.
But I really believed I wasugly and hideous and disgusting
and that no one would ever wantto be my friend, and that was a
huge hurdle to get over.
When suddenly I moved to LosAngeles, the epicenter of beauty
(07:05):
, where everybody out here wasprom king or prom queen or in
Miss America pageants orwhatever.
And now I'm competing againstall the most beautiful women in
the world and I couldn't evenlook in the mirror.
Fatima Bey (07:20):
I used to be that girl too and I get it, get it.
I really I totally get it.
And there are lots of youngwomen as a coach I.
One of the things I have uh,some of my clients mostly work
up to, because most of themcan't do it in the beginning is
to look in the mirror.
I have them say certain thingsto themselves in the mirror and
it is one of the hardest thingsfor them to do, and mostly
(07:42):
because it's hard to faceyourself when you don't think
you're worth anything.
And there are so many otheryoung women out there who, who
really are where you were.
And so even when you said thatto me you said I just pictured
myself looking in the mirror mywhole heart just dropped, just
dropped the pin dropped insidemy head when you said that,
because it's like whoa.
(08:04):
So what has made you recognizeyour worth?
What's given you confidence?
Where did the change happen?
Katherine Norland (08:10):
You know, I grew up as a Christian, but I
didn't necessarily know that Godloved me.
You hear that.
But it seemed like it was truefor everybody else but me.
Like you want to say, yeah,well, he loves everyone.
So, of course, yeah, he mightlove me.
But I didn't think that I wasspecial, unique, set apart, that
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I had anything going for me.
And it wasn't until I reallystarted delving into what the
Word of God had to say and allthese scriptures that kind of
made it seem like it didn'tmatter where you came from or
who you are, that you could bebroken and fallen apart and that
God would still have a purposefor you.
And I remember certainscriptures like let the foolish
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things of the world confound thewise.
And I thought, wow, like Icould be a fool, I could be
stupid, and and I could Godcould still use me to confound
the wise, Like I'm going to.
I'm a fool.
Anyway, I could be a fool for.
God, and then all these thingsabout being a broken vessel,
that we are just these brokenjars of clay and it's not.
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That's not the thing that makesus not worthy.
What makes us worthy is that wehave this treasure in earthen
vessels, that the fullness ofGod dwells within us and that
God is willing to come into ourlives and sup with us and have a
relationship with us and love.
And realizing the enormity ofthat statement and believing it
(09:44):
and then starting to reallydelve into, well, what does the
scripture say about me?
Because when you buy a newphone and you want to know how
it works, you read theinstruction manual.
And I realized, well, Godcreated me and he left this book
and maybe if I read it, I'llunderstand how I work and how I
operate.
And when I stopped listening towhat the people of the world
(10:06):
were saying, what the haterswere saying, what the trolls on
the internet were saying, and Istarted listening to what the
God who created me had to sayabout me, I realized I'm not
that bad, I'm pretty great.
God says I'm the head and notthe tail, above only and not
beneath.
He says nothing shall beimpossible for me.
He said whatever I put my handsto will prosper and promise
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after promise after promise, Irealized I'm not as terrible as
I made myself out to be andeveryone listening, you are not
the person you are accusingyourself of being.
Fatima Bey (10:41):
I love the way you just worded that the person you
are accusing yourself of being.
I love the way you just wordedthat the person you are accusing
yourself of being.
That is so accurate, and I usedto do a lot of that negative
self-talk too, and my story isis is similar in that my
foundation for confidence.
People see me as a strong,confident woman, but they don't.
But they don't know my story,that it took to get there, but a
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large.
It's a multiple reasons, but alarge foundational reason is my
relationship with God andrealizing that the one who made
me finds me worthy and the onewho made me saw greatness in me
because he put it there.
And if you're listening rightnow, young women, even young men
, there is greatness in you.
You were born with it.
You just have to find it.
(11:23):
It's already there.
It's like a seed.
There's an orchard inside anapple seed, but not until you
plant it, right yeah?
Katherine Norland (11:30):
And not only that.
What a lot of times we don'trealize the uncomfortable part
is when you get planted as thatseed, you're down in the dark
and it's cold and you're aloneand you have to die.
The outer shell, the outwardthings, have to die in order for
that seed to crack open andgrow.
(11:50):
And even when you are growingto the best of your ability,
people aren't going to see it atfirst, because the roots have
to go down deeper before thefruits can appear.
So we sometimes feel like I'vedone all this self-work I'm
growing, I'm growing, I'mgrowing, but nothing is
happening.
No one can see the fruit.
And that's because the betterwe grow and the longer we grow
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underground, the bigger andhigher and taller we'll be able
to reach and the more fruit wewill have and the more medicine
we'll have in our leaves.
That can be a blessing toothers.
But we got to do the work onourself in the dark, in the cold
, in the shadows, before we comeout the other side.
I freaking love you.
Fatima Bey (12:33):
I just love the way you took my apple seed analogy.
You just went deep down inthere and so beautifully, so, so
, so beautifully, and you'rea're 100 right and every single
thing you just said uh, you knowit's.
It's progress as a process iswhat I always say, and you
basically just explain that in adifferent way.
Progress is a process.
(12:53):
And so, speaking of that, whatdoes it look like when we
actually start buildingconfidence in ourself?
Because a lot of times we say,oh, build confidence, and we
think we're supposed to justsuddenly arrive.
With a lot of times we say, oh,build confidence, and we think
we're supposed to just suddenlyarrive with a ray of sunlight
and I'm confident, now I'vearrived, and we both know that's
not reality.
So what does reality look likewhen you're in the midst of
building confidence?
Katherine Norland (13:26):
and the stepping out.
An analogy I like to use is howwould I act and how would I
operate if I had already arrived, if I was already at that level
, like when I moved to LA, I wasdoing a lot of student films
and low budget films and freefilms and I wasn't getting paid
and I was saying yes to thingsthat I wouldn't have said yes to
had I already arrived or had Ialready thought I was worthy
enough or believed in myself.
And I think if you just startsaying where is the ultimate me
(13:50):
wanting to be, where do I wannago once I've seen this whole
thing come to fruition andfulfillment, and that I am
walking in who I want to be,what decisions would I make at
that point and how can I startmaking those decisions now?
If I would say no to this onceI've arrived, why am I saying
yes to it now and starting tohold yourself at higher
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standards like you would have?
And sometimes people go.
I don't want to fake it till Imake it, or I don't want to do
these affirmations because it'snot true.
Well, it actually is true,because Jesus himself said call
those things that be, not asthough they were.
So you are calling forth intofruition, into the future, what
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you want to be, and the more youdo that and you grab it and you
pull it down into the now andyou start operating as the ideal
person you want to be.
If I wanted to be a JuliaRoberts or a Sandra Bullock or a
Viola Davis, why am I sayingyes to these pathetic, dumb
scripts that aren't goinganywhere?
(14:55):
Just because I'm so hungry toprove myself, to prove that I'm
an actor, to prove that peoplewant me and I'm accepted.
No, you got to start saying nomore often so you can say yes to
yourself and your future selfand who you want to be.
Fatima Bey (15:10):
So what I'm hearing is that when confidence begins
to grow within us, we begin tomake different choices.
Absolutely, I mean that's justshowing up differently in our
lives.
Katherine Norland (15:20):
That's the tip of the iceberg, but that's a
great start.
Fatima Bey (15:23):
Yeah, and that's that's important to know.
And the reason I'm mentioningthat for the audience is because
sometimes, when we are in themidst of our process, we don't
recognize our own growth.
And I always say change is oneof the hardest things to see
within ourselves and around us.
Change happens slowly and tinybit by tiny bit, and one
decision at a time is how youmake a change happen.
(15:43):
I'm going to reword part ofwhat you said in that we learned
through repetition as humanbeings, when you said fake it
till you make it.
Affirmations are weird whenyou're first doing them for
anybody and I do have all mycoaching clients do affirmations
, different ones, but I have allof them do different forms of
affirmations because I believein them.
But the reason I believe inthem is because when you
constantly speak something, goodor bad, it begins to you begin
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to believe it number one and itbegins to manifest itself
because you keep speaking itinto existence.
And that's the reason why someof you think you're stupid
because you've been told thatall your life.
You've been told over and overagain.
You're stupid because you don'tfit into the standard school
system.
You're not stupid.
Some of you are actually moreintelligent than the people who
called you stupid.
You think you are great.
You're a spoiled brat whothinks you're great because you
(16:26):
were told you were great yourwhole life.
And the truth is you ain't thatgreat, but you've been told
that, so you believe it, so itdoesn't matter.
It works true for both good andbad.
If you continually tellyourself and that little voice
in your head tells you you'redumb, you're not worth it,
you're whatever negativestatements, well, that's what
you're going to believe becauseyou're constantly you're
coaching yourself into believingthat.
(16:46):
So it's so important that we do.
You know what Catherine wasjust saying talk those positive
things, work towards somethingas if it's happening.
This podcast is happening rightnow because I behaved as if it
was already big.
And now I'm international on 60plus platforms around the world
, blah, blah, blah.
And now people are reaching outto me to be on my podcast.
Yay, you know.
(17:08):
But but when I first started, Ihad to reach out to people.
That's growth, it's wonderful.
And I'm not even where I'mgoing to be a year from now.
Hey, that's great.
But I didn't go into podcastingacting like I hope I make it.
I set it up for when I make it.
Different mentality.
Believing it, yes, yes, that'sthe key word.
Believing it, and when you havelow self-esteem it's really
(17:30):
hard to believe it, but itsounds like for you what you
believed in was your maker andthat helped you believe in
yourself.
Katherine Norland (17:37):
Yeah, and I like to, instead of saying fake
it till you make it, I like tosay faith it till you make it.
Having that faith, faith ittill you make it is.
Sometimes, when you don't havethe belief in yourself, you
borrow somebody else's belief.
You borrow the belief that Godhas in you, or you borrow the
belief of your mentor or yourcoach or your teacher, or
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there's somebody in your lifethat believes in you, it's a
friend, and you believe whatthey say before you believe your
own negative thoughts.
I was reading recently that ittakes 13 positive affirmations
to overcome one negative remarkthat was said to you.
So if someone says you'restupid or whatever, you have to
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hear 13 positive things just tooutdo that one thing.
This is why it's so importantthat you do your affirmations.
And one little tip for those ofyou who are new to affirmations
is I would tell you, don't makethem super big and grandiose
initially starting out, becausethen you won't believe it and
you won't have faith in it.
(18:38):
So sometimes you have to makelittle baby affirmations first
till you can grow into thebigger one.
So if you are brand new and youfeel like you are at the bottom
, you don't want to makeaffirmations that are like I am
a billionaire and this, you knowstuff that you actually don't
truly believe.
You might want to start outjust by saying every month, I
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always have more than enough topay all my bills, and you start
small saying things like thatrather than the big ones, and
then you grow.
When that becomes nothing foryou, when it becomes true, then
you make the affirmations biggerand bigger.
But there's something about ifyou make them too big, you don't
believe it and you push it awayand it could be more
detrimental.
(19:22):
So start with baby affirmationsif you're new to it.
Fatima Bey (19:26):
I love that and you're 100% right the small
steps to get to big places isthe way we need to approach just
about everything in life Anykind of growth or success.
That's how we need to approachit Small steps to get to big
places.
So, going back to your career,you've had this change.
It affected your career whenyou were younger.
But now, how has this positive,how has this change for you
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positively affected your career?
Katherine Norland (19:51):
Yeah, I used to think back when I had the
really low self-esteem oh, I'mnot getting parts because I'm
not any good, I'm not prettyenough, I'm too fat, I'm this,
I'm that and it had nothing todo with it really, because when
you walk into a room, a lot oftimes the directors, producers,
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casting directors, are makingtheir judgments.
Like, within the first sevenseconds, All you've said is hi,
how are you?
And that's determined whetherthey're even considering you for
the part or not, before youeven say your first words of the
speech.
How you carry yourself.
You see, people can readdesperation, they can read low
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self-esteem.
That's why a lot of people withlow self-esteem the egotists
and narcissists of the worldthey see you coming, they pray
on you and you're like why do Ialways get screwed over?
Well, you kind of set the tonefor how people treat you when
you don't realize it, when youwalk into a room with confidence
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not necessarily because youthink you deserve it, but
because of God, who says you arehis child and you walk into the
room like, hey, I am the princeor princess of the king, I am a
child of God, no one can messwith me, and you start to carry
yourself as a child of the king.
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People are going to treat youdifferently.
It's like back when they weretrying to enter the promised
land in the Bible and God sentthose spies into the land and 10
of the 12 spies came backsaying we can't do it, we'll
never overtake them.
We're like grasshoppers intheir sight.
They're going to squash us.
And two of the people, joshuaand Caleb, were like no, oh man,
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we got this.
We are well able to overcomethem.
When they went into the land,the people that were nervous and
they felt that they weregrasshoppers.
That's how the giants saw them.
They saw them as grasshoppers.
So part of the reason we getseen as nothing is because we're
first projecting that and otherpeople are picking up on it.
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So it's up to you to go into theroom, whether you feel you
deserve it or not, and sayyou're going to treat me with
dignity, you're going to treatme with respect.
That is how I am carryingmyself and in real life, like if
you lived right in England,where they actually do have
kings and queens, the child ofthe king they don't think well,
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I have to look a certain way, Ihave to achieve these things, I
have to have it.
They're like no, my dad is king, I get whatever I want and you
will treat me with respect.
They don't feel like they hadto have earned it.
They don't feel like they hadto have grown up a certain way
or do whatever Because of theirlineage.
They know who they are and wehave to start remembering we are
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a child of the king and we havea legal regal heritage and we
need to walk around holding ourhead up high like we belong
because we are children of theking.
Fatima Bey (22:59):
I love that Very, very, very different mindset.
And again it goes back to whatI was saying earlier If you
don't know who you are, youallow everyone else to tell you,
but once you know who you are,people need to just move out the
way.
So tell us about this book thatyou have called you Are Worthy.
Katherine Norland (23:26):
So you Are Worthy is a book that I wrote
and it was about my journey fromself-hate into self-love by
finding out what God had to sayabout me, and it really helps
people see where their trueworth and their value comes from
and how it's not determined byanything outwardly.
It's not determined by any waythat the world judges us in the
outward things of our lineage,our money, our heritage, what
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we've accomplished, and it'sreally about your intrinsic
value and worth.
And I give a lot of storiesfrom my life and my acting
career and how I overcame it anddifferent exercises that you
can apply to yourself, liketowards chapter 14 and 15 of the
you Are Worthy book.
I have the sight method and howto start seeing yourself the
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way God sees you.
So it really helps you hone inon how you are God's favorite
creation.
It really helps you hone in onhow you are God's favorite
creation and, like when Godcreated all the things you know,
one day he's creating the starsand the moon and he's creating
the fish and the sea, and he'screating all these beautiful
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things.
But on and every day he said itis good, it is good, it is good
, but it wasn't good enoughbecause he wasn't done.
And then on the final day hemade us and he was like this is
very good.
It's the first time God usedthe word very.
It is very good.
So all the other things that wethink are amazing the bunny
(24:52):
rabbits, the Bengal tigers, themost beautiful vacation spots
you could ever look at areamazing.
The bunny rabbits, the Bengaltigers, the most beautiful
vacation spots you could everlook at are nothing.
They're good.
But when God made you, he saidyou are very good.
And he was like drop the mic.
I got nothing after that.
And he rested, god rested.
He didn't feel the need tocreate anything else because you
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were the ultimate in hiscreation.
He didn't even make the angelsin his likeness and image.
He made you in his likeness andimage.
Fatima Bey (25:24):
Wow, that's a lot.
So, Catherine, I want to askyou what do you have to say to
all the teenage girls that arelistening right now?
Katherine Norland (25:32):
What advice.
Fatima Bey (25:33):
Would you just one piece of advice?
I know there's a lot, but onepiece of advice that you would
give to teenagers.
Listening right now.
Katherine Norland (25:39):
That you are enough.
You are worthy just the way youare, without changing a single
thing about your outward status,that you have everything it
takes already to become theperson you want to be, to live
the dreams you want to live, tohave a life you want to live.
And any thoughts that arecontrary, anyone who's told you
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you're nothing, you're nevergoing to make it, you don't have
what it takes they're notspeaking the truth, they're
liars.
And the Old Testament tells us,when we delight ourselves in
God, he will give us the desiresof our heart.
Matthew 6.33 tells us if weseek first the kingdom of God,
then all these things shall beadded unto us.
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God has plans for you that youcannot even fathom, plans for
good and not for evil, to giveyou a future and a hope.
As Jeremiah 29 tells us,nothing is impossible for you
unless you believe it is so.
The book of Proverbs tells usnothing is impossible for you
unless you believe it is so.
The book of Proverbs tells us asa person thinks in his heart,
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so is he.
So you will become what youthink.
You will become what yourthoughts are.
And if you want to escape fromwhere you are now and go to the
place you can only imagine.
You have to think it first inyour heart and believe it and
know it.
You can't believe it after itcomes.
You have to believe it beforeit comes.
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You have to have that faithbefore you see it happen.
This isn't the show me state.
Show me, then I'll believe it.
It's I believe it and then Iwill achieve it.
Fatima Bey (27:12):
Yes, faith comes before the manifestation, and
that is always true.
Katherine Norland (27:17):
Could I?
Would it be okay with you if Iread one of the poems called
Child of the King from one of mybooks?
Sure, okay.
So I have a book out calledPoetic Prescriptions for Pesky
Problems and it's one of mypoetry books and this is kind of
the message I want everyone tohear.
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It's called Child of the King.
We come into a sinful world,fallen as we are, but God will
elevate our status, raise thebar beyond a splendor we imagine
we could see where King Eternalhas decreed that we would be.
How can you make a differencein another's life if you let
sharp-tongued comments slice youlike a knife?
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Now leave your pity party andembrace your call.
You're part of a royal heritage.
Don't be thinking small.
You are worthy child.
Get your robe down from thatshelf, go on, put it on.
Girl, you better love yourself.
There is no lineage or giftsyou need to bring, for God will
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elevate, equip you with allthings.
You're a regent here on earth,endowed with what you need so to
fulfill your noble duties andsucceed.
When will you grasp your legal,regal family line and
discontinue your delay and wasteof time, lamenting like your
peasants, crying oh poor me.
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Now, why do you deny that youare royalty.
You are chosen, child.
Get your scepter from thatshelf.
Go on, hold it firm boy.
You better love yourself.
This kingdom has been given toyou for doing good.
Use your divine identity.
Do with it what you should.
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Hold out your royal scepter sothat others can see and lead
your fellow countrymen to findtheir destiny.
You must claim that position tofully walk within it and use
your rank to rescue theoppressed from the pit.
Don't let improper mindset andlowly self-esteem make you
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forget he died so you could beredeemed.
You are capable, child.
Get your crown down from thatshelf.
Go on, wear it proud queen.
You better love yourself.
You can't be nervous when thedevil raids your mind.
As children of the king, you'vegot the power to bind.
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Bind up that liar, so he is nota hindrance.
Use Jesus' name and he must bowin reverence.
Be not beset by insecurity.
Be brave.
Think you're not worthy of thepalace so you cave into the foul
accuser's lies who only wantsyou pained when you are titled,
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you belong.
You've been ordained.
You are unstoppable.
Child, get your signet from thatshelf.
Go on, make your mark king.
You better love yourself.
Don't listen to the serfs andthe opinions that they bring,
when trusted chief advisors arewaiting there with wings.
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Inherit your birthright.
Become a potentate Now.
Hold your head up high.
Don't walk askew, but straight.
The king has preordained thatyou bring his realm glory.
You have yet to have thecrowning moment in your story.
No, you're not ignorant.
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Led blindly to the slaughter,it's time to rule and reign as
the king's son and daughter.
You are victorious Child.
Get yourself down from thatshelf.
Go now, sit on your throne.
Child, you better love yourself.
You wrote all of that.
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Yeah, it's from my book, that'sa lot.
It's a call to who you are.
Fatima Bey (31:17):
Yeah, no, it is, and I hear it because I'm the type
of person where you readsomething like that and I start
picturing everything you'resaying like a cartoon.
So, I was seeing a cartoon thewhole time you were talking, and
no, but I like the imagery ofroyalty that many people
actually need to hear andunderstand.
Not only understand, but get tothe point where they actually
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believe it.
Yeah, um well, katherine, thankyou for coming on.
Uh, before we go tell peoplehow they can find you, sure?
Katherine Norland (31:46):
so I am on youtube and instagram and
facebook under katherine norlandand you can download a free
gift from me some coursework outof my video course called you
Are Worthy, by going tofreegiftfromcoachkatcom, and
that's Kat with a Kfreegiftfromcoachkatcom and
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those links will be in the shownotes as well.
Fatima Bey (32:11):
So thank you, Catherine, for coming on today.
I really appreciate it and Ihope that this episode really
touches.
Even if it just touches one,it's worth it, Thank you Fatima.
And now for a mind shiftingmoment, I want to plant a
thought seed in your mind today,for every single listener out
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there.
I want you to ask yourself acouple of questions.
Number one what is myself-worth?
I want you to ask yourself whatyour self-worth is.
For some of you, the answerswill be good.
For some of you it'll be bad.
For all of you it'll bedifferent.
No matter what, that answer isgood or bad or a mixture of both
.
Ask yourself this next questionwhat is it based out of?
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What is the foundation for mybelief in what my worth is and
who I am?
Is your foundation in thepraises of others?
Is it in knowing who you werecreated to be?
What is it?
That's a question for you toanswer, and those answers are
going to lead to other thoughts.
Thank you for listening.
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