Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today we're taking an
honest look at some reasons why
you might not be getting hiredin youth ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the
Ministry Coach Podcast, where we
give you weekly tips andtactics to help you fast track
the growth and health of youryouth ministry.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
My name is Jeff
Laskola and this is is Kristen
Laskola, and today we're goingto talk to those of you who are
trying to become youth pastorsor maybe this would be helpful
if you already are a pastor andyou have some say in hiring.
It's kind of a touchy subject,I guess, but we're going to talk
(00:44):
about a few reasons why you maynot be getting hired as a youth
pastor.
I've known a lot of people overthe years that have that dream
and they feel like they havethat calling on their life and
they really want to enter theministry.
They want to be pastors, which,like, what a noble desire and
cause and all of that.
(01:05):
And sometimes it just doesn'thappen and that can be
frustrating, especially if youfeel like it's been an extended
period of time and you're stillnot landing the youth pastor job
and you're confused why not?
What is it?
And obviously you know I'mgoing to talk from my
(01:25):
perspective and different peopleI've met and why some aren't
getting hired.
But I think we also have to keepin mind, like God calls people
into ministry and God callspeople Okay, let me say that
again, god calls everybody intoministry.
Some of us are just happen tobe in vocational ministry and
(01:49):
are paid to do the traditionalyouth pastor pastor job that
we're thinking of.
However, every single Christianis called into ministry, so I
love the way our pastor puts it.
He's like you're doing ministryon the job site, you're doing
ministry in the office, you'redoing ministry to your neighbors
, like if you're a Christianyou're in ministry.
(02:13):
But I know what you mean.
Some of you are like well duh,but I want to work at a church.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I get that and God
really does open doors, close
doors.
He is in charge of leadership.
And I don't know definitively.
I couldn't look at someone andsay this is exactly why you're
not getting hired.
But all I know is that it is aGod process and I can speak to
(02:44):
some of the practical thingsthat, hey, have you ever thought
of this?
Or maybe we need to be honestwith ourselves about this, or
whatever.
So number one I would say thisis the most common and that's
why I'm going to start with.
It is because I feel like peoplewho want to be youth pastors, a
lot of times they don't make itbecause they want to skip steps
(03:07):
two through 99.
And that's an arbitrary number.
Just for example's sake, let'ssay there's a hundred steps to
becoming a youth pastor andyou're on step one, and that is
you maybe either have put in anapplication or you've started
getting your feet wet in youthministry, like you've started
(03:27):
volunteering or something likethat.
You have some involvement orinterest in youth ministry.
Well, step 100 would be youhave landed the job, you are the
youth pastor at the church thatyou're looking at, or whatever.
But what about steps twothrough 99?
There's a lot in there.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, list those
steps.
What List all those steps rightnow, please?
Okay, step two Take notes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You're really putting
me on the spot, jeff, just
kidding.
But it's a metaphor, it'sfigurative okay, because it's
like there's a lot in between mydesire and me getting the job
right and the way that I'vewatched a lot of young people
(04:17):
operate is I want to be a youthpastor, I should be a youth
pastor.
In the end it's like, wow,there was a lot of steps in
between that you may have missed, because this isn't like your
typical job.
Like I want to work atStarbucks, turn in my
application, I work at Starbucks.
Now it's like this is different.
It is kind of a process I wouldsay like one doesn't just wake
(04:41):
up and decide I want to go intoyouth ministry and start turning
in applications at every churchin their town or in their city,
right, like there's a processof learning and refinement and
mentorship and spiritual,emotional and character growth.
There's learning how to do itby working alongside someone.
(05:05):
There's a volunteer aspect,maybe an internship aspect.
It's not just like you go fromzero to 100, but I think
everyone's like yeah, yeah, yeah, anyways.
But I know I meant to do thisand.
I just want to preach, put me onstage.
It's like the process ofbecoming a youth pastor is just
that, it's becoming a youthpastor.
(05:27):
I don't think that they justexist.
I think they often become thatthrough a series.
Like you, I won't list all 100steps, but no, just two through
99.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Number two get
involved.
Like it would be like ifinterest were step one,
involvement would be step two,like volunteering.
Like then let's see if theyhave an unpaid internship that
you can learn a little bit moreministry skills, Then maybe they
do have a paid internship,Maybe they have a directorship
(06:01):
that you can be a part of.
Maybe you find a ministrymentor and you meet with them,
you know, a couple times a month.
Then maybe you're taking some.
If you can't afford a seminarydegree, you could do a
certificate program and learnsome more theology and then you
take a leadership course or youtake an assessment to define
(06:21):
your gifts and skills.
There's a lot of things inthere that start to develop you
into becoming a pastor.
You don't just skip it all andthen throw up your hands and say
I guess I'm not meant forministry, Nobody's hiring me.
This could take years ofbecoming, becoming that person,
(06:42):
so will you probably have towork also?
Yes, like, just because you'reinterested in ministry does not
mean a church is obligated topay you a living wage while
you're in process of gettinglike ready for that big next
step.
(07:02):
And I think we're justsometimes in this hurry of like
I got it when we don't, becauseif you're in ministry, you know,
like if you're already there,then this might not apply to you
, but this is something you canteach the young ones coming up
who want to work in ministry orhave a dream like I want to do
(07:23):
what you do or you know.
And then I heard this greatterm the other day called pace
manipulation, which I was like,yes, that makes so much sense,
and it's the idea of trying togo fast instead of being
faithful and not giving yourselfthe time to develop and learn.
And if you're in such a hurry,you're in such a hurry,
(07:45):
respectfully.
I will need to question yourmotivation for doing this,
Because if you really feelcalled to the ministry and you
know that that is the path foryou, I feel like if your
motivation is to serve thechurch, feed the sheep and love
(08:06):
the bride of Christ and love thebride of Christ, you will put
in the work and the effort to berefined yourself, be readied,
be developed by people who havegone before you.
But if you are rushing and youjust want a microphone, and you
just want influence and you wantto be visible and you want
leadership.
(08:26):
I would highly question ifministry is for you to feel
valuable, to feel significant,to feel seen, to heal some part
of yourself, or if this isreally about the church, and I
think this is just my opinion.
I think that's why, a lot oftimes, people who were never
(08:46):
looking for it end up being inministry because God is doing
something almost without theirknowledge and they just end up
walking through an open door byaccident.
And I was like I don't know howI got here, but I guess I'm here
and the ones who are beatingdown the door or clawing at it
and very impatient.
It usually doesn't work out.
(09:08):
And I would have to think it'snot because they're bad people,
but it's a very differentcondition of the heart to be
motivated and willing to put inthe time.
You know, it kind of reminds me, as I'm talking, as the
illustration of, you know, leahand Jacob, and Rachel and Jacob,
(09:29):
and because he loved her, hewas willing to wait and it
didn't seem like any time hadgone by at all, because his deep
, deep love for Rachel was justkind of like what other choice
do I have?
Of course, seven years.
You got it.
14 years, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Because she's worth
the wait and I think in a sense
you know that loosely, obviouslyit's not a perfect fit, but
loosely illustrates like whenyou truly love something, not
yourself you can be more patientbecause of the object of your
(10:08):
love.
So, loving ministry, lovingmore than that, just loving the
Lord you know of, like well,what is his path?
What is his timing?
What is his?
What is he trying to do in myheart and mind?
Where is he leading and beingpatient with that?
Because you, when you want torun fast, you're not always
(10:30):
running faithfully, because youdon't want to outpace what god
is trying to do in you beforeyou're ready to pour out and do
something with them yeah withthe sheep, with the church, all
of that kind of going offjumping off on your starbucks
illustration.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm sure there's
probably people listening or
watching that have been abarista in a Starbucks before.
Maybe you can speak into this.
If you're watching on YouTube,put it in the comment section
below, but you can probably walkin and give a resume and you
probably could get hired.
Obviously, more experience isbetter, but I'm sure there is a
way for someone like I've nevereven had a sip of coffee before
(11:08):
I have no idea, but they wouldtrain you.
Sure, and that doesn't reallyexist in the youth pastor world
in the sense of like we're goingto hire you I know you've never
done it before but we're goingto train you.
I feel, like most churches, itdoesn't happen.
There's very little, ifanything.
There's very little mentorshipor whatever.
It's kind of like throw you inthe deep end and figure out how
(11:29):
to swim Right.
And if you're going again offthe off the Starbucks
illustration if you were to lookat that and say you're hired,
well, I don't know how to makecoffee, good luck.
You're like wow, I really wishI had that training you know, to
really get me to, becauseotherwise it's like man, your
coffee is awful.
No offense, offense, starbucks.
I'm just saying the person whocan't make coffee would be like
(11:51):
this is bad.
You don't know what you're doingthere's so many skills you
haven't learned, you can't dothis yet yeah so what you're
kind of describing all the wayleading up to hey, you're hired,
is that training process.
Unfortunately it's not in thistypical starbucks way of we're
paying you and training youworking alongside other leaders.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Like the training is,
I volunteer and I'm starting to
kind of understand how thisworks right now can I, you know,
go a step further and learn alittle bit more of the behind
the scenes?
Or could I help with an event,or could I help you know what I
mean, and you're biting off alittle bit as you go.
And then by the time you'reready to be a youth pastor, you
(12:32):
have like years of these skillslike in your wake that help you
know like and nothing cantotally prepare you for it.
You're going to deal with issuesfor the first time, but at
least you've had that slow buildto learn.
Alongside I have my associate,pastor Caleb.
He's been working with me forfive years and he says I still
(12:54):
don't feel ready.
If you were to leave, I don'twant to be the youth pastor
because I still don't feel ready.
You know like there's so muchstuff you do and I'm like, oh,
but you'd figure it out.
You know it's just, that's the.
That's the thing.
We're never totally ready.
But when you work alongsidesomeone for years or months,
whatever you've got, it startsto develop the necessary skills
(13:19):
in you.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You would probably
know this, but is it John
Maxwell that has the book aboutthe proximity principle or the
proximity?
Basically it's saying whenyou're near, and kind of like
absorbing leadership when you'renear leaders and kind of
gleaning off of them, and it'sjust may not be something that
you can take a test and read abook and learn, necessarily, but
(13:42):
when you're there, in thepresence of that, and that is so
true Rabbit trail.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Side note to all my
female youth pastors that's why
in the early years of myministry it was so hard to be a
female youth pastor, because Imissed out on that.
Like there was proximity amongthe men, you know, and they were
learning skills like kind ofjust catching them from each
other.
They were learning the languageof this thing and it was hard
(14:12):
for me to get in there because Ididn't have the same proximity
and in the same ways and so whenyou're kind of out on your own,
you miss out on the development.
I think that's why my learningcurve was steeper.
I mean, I feel like I learnedjust eventually, but at a much
(14:36):
slower pace because, I didn'thave a proximity person you know
for a very long time, so it'sreally important and then, kind
of within that, you know we'retalking about wanting to skip
all these steps.
You know I often talk about thesugar versus the salt of
ministry and a lot of peoplewant the sugar and they're like,
oh my gosh, how fun.
(14:57):
I want to get up and give asermon and people will tell me
that like I feel called topreach, but they don't want to
serve, they don't want, theyjust want to get up and tell you
some stuff.
It's like that's not really whatwe do, Like write a blog or go
to Toastmasters or somethinglike go be a professional speech
giver, but they just feel thisburning like I could teach, or
(15:21):
they're very critical of peoplewho teach.
I could have said that better.
And it's like I doubt it Likeit's.
It's a communication.
We've done a lot of episodes on.
That is really difficult.
But they see that sugar of likeoh, I want to be the smart,
look like the smartest person inthe room with the power, with
the microphone, with the stage,or maybe they are high energy
(15:43):
and they're like Ooh, that'd befun to lead a game and hype up a
room and, you know, be thatcentral figure.
And they just see that sugar,but they forget about the salt
it's like the kid barfed in thein the bathroom.
Someone's got to clean it up orall the planning that took to
get there and the logistics, andthen the hard conversations you
had to have with people and theserving I mean and the clean I
(16:05):
mean even just like manual labor, like I mean mean up until we
moved into this new building.
I've told you guys before like Iwas still coming in on my off
day to mop the youth room floormop the barf clean the bathroom
and you know there's a lot thatare just the nuts and bolts and
I call that the salt that itjust takes to make this thing
(16:28):
run, and the sugar is like maybe10% of your job.
But then people see that andthey're like, yes, that's what I
want to do.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's like which is
also why people, like usually
the kids, think well, what doyou?
What's your real job?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Because, you're only
here on Sunday and then one
midweek day and that's it there.
And then one midweek day andthat's it Right.
And so just remember, like agreat phrase is to always keep
in mind is serving comes beforeinfluence.
You know, I feel like peopleputter out of serving very
quickly.
It's just like they don't wantto work hard, they don't want to
(17:03):
come back and ask like whatelse can I do or how else can I
help.
It's just like, well, when do Iget to lead?
And again, I feel like thoseare the kind of people I hate to
say it that don't get hired inyouth ministry.
Because I think if you're notself-aware of it, other people
(17:24):
are, and I can spot it from amile away now and I don't hire
those kind of people.
It's because, honestly, most ofwhat we do is actual work.
So I'm looking for someone whocan work and also happens to be
great on stage and is willing tolearn how to teach and put some
(17:46):
things into practice and isteachable.
I can't discount that.
I want someone who's likedynamic, upfront, but at the
same time, most of what I do iswork.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So do you think that
also plays into how to do that?
Most youth pastors only last 18months or two and a half years,
or whatever the statistic ofthe day is, but it's a short
period of time.
Do you think that is becausesome of the people you're
describing do end up gettinghired, get into the job, realize
there's a lot of work and it'snot just being on stage and
being the could be?
(18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I think that
youth ministry, unfortunately
and this is painting with abroad brush this is not all of
us.
I'm in the boat so I can't beoffended.
You know I'm here too.
But it really attracts peoplewho need a lot of attention and
need to be praised and havepublic accolades and have their
(18:41):
ego boosted by being, and Ithink that's why sometimes we
see these catastrophic moralfailures of these pastors and we
all like, oh my gosh, not again, because there was something
beyond their love.
It was like the motivation waswrong from the jump.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And so I just feel,
like ministry in general, the
stage does something to peopleand it tends to attract people
who might need that and arecraving that and then, like you
said, so maybe they don't lastvery long because they realize I
mean, that's not try to giveyour best message in front of a
(19:31):
bunch of 13 year olds.
They will humble you so quick,you know, and sometimes you
straight gold and they're like,oh, my face is melting off.
That was so good.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I had a student just
real quick One time after I gave
a message he was.
He was said he'd close inprayer and in this prayer he
said God, we thank you for thismessage, even though we didn't
really learn anything.
And I was said God, we thankyou for this message, even
though we didn't really learnanything, and I was like, wait,
I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I remember that, even
though we didn't really learn
anything.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I learned something.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh, junior hires man,
they will humble you so quick,
like I said.
And then sometimes they come upto me after a message and
they're like, oh my gosh, thankyou so much that was and you're
like, oh, I could probably liveoff of that for a while, because
you realize, as a youth pastor,by and large it is thankless.
You know what I mean.
(20:26):
Like I could give you my verybest and they'll be like, mehh,
you know, but someone got it andeven though they're not acting
like they appreciate it, I knowGod's doing something with it.
So I'm playing the long game oflike I know that there's some
kind of spiritual stuff going onand that I can't access or
(20:49):
reach, but that God is doingsomething with these words.
So, yeah, that's a good point.
It could be why.
And then, if you're within achurch and you're hoping to get
hired in ministry, I would sayanother reason you might not be
getting hired to be a youthpastor is this mentality of.
So there is this whole veryhealthy thing of boundaries.
(21:15):
Right, we have boundaries.
We don't want to be used, wedon't want to overdo it, we
don't.
We're always scared of burnout.
That's what everyone's alwaysfreaked out I'm going to burn
out, I'm going to burn out, I'mgoing to burn out.
So we've created a culture ofvery strict boundaries.
No, my time, no, no, no.
Protect, protect, protect.
(21:35):
That's a good thing mostly.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But what I've noticed
too and I've heard other people
speak on this and I tend toagree is that I think we've gone
so far the other way, to wherepeople are very unwilling to do
anything.
That is, that's not my job,that's not in my job description
, you're not paying me to dothat and that gets pastors.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's their whole.
Job is usually what you're notbeing paid to do Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And in ministry
specifically, that gets really
sticky because ministry isserving, and so I feel like it
gets like, when this entitlementattitude starts to creep in,
that people are unwilling tohelp in areas outside of their
department, things that aren'ttheir job, I'm off the clock,
(22:29):
I'm not willing to do that.
It's a huge turnoff, and thenwhen people go to hire, they're
not going to think of you,they're going to think of the
person who did exactly whatJesus did and laid down his life
for the mission, and I'm notsaying so.
Who cares about spending timewith your family?
You should be a workaholic,obviously, but we do need to be
(22:52):
careful of over self-protectionto the point where we've lost
sight that this is also serving.
Whether or not it's your job,it is still serving.
Even though I get paid to doministry, I have to remember
that it is still serving.
So when I'm asked to dosomething that doesn't directly
(23:15):
benefit me or my ministrythere's a season where oh, I'm
so busy with camp I have to sayno.
But I need to also disciplinemyself to say yes when I can and
not just say, well, not myproblem.
And I think that's very temptingin this like strict boundary
thing, and you'll be.
(23:36):
I believe, when you're verygenerous with yourself, when
you're very generous with yourtime, when you're very generous
with your talents and abilities,it actually does come back to
you, because that is a sign ofsomeone who like kind of the
faithful with little, faithfulwith much, someone who can be
(23:58):
trusted to fulfill the mission,that they're a team player, that
they're willing to help, andisn't that what a pastor is you
know, and so it's like I want tobe a youth pastor, but I don't
want to do anything that I don'twant to do.
It's like you're not going tomake it because I do things I
don't want to do all the time.
So you just have to get veryused to that idea that it's
(24:23):
about the big picture, not justabout you.
And where do you fit into allof that Within reason, what can
you give and how can you begenerous with yourself?
And you know, don'tunderestimate.
I was having a conversationwith a coworker the other day
and he's very good at his joband I said isn't it amazing, the
(24:47):
power of just doing your jobwith excellence over a period of
time?
I feel like that alone, if youcan do that, puts you in the top
5% of people.
You know, because here's thething a lot of people want to be
on staff or like have a titleor, but they don't actually want
(25:13):
to.
They want to get by with doingthe absolute bare minimum even
in the church, even Christians,especially Christians sometimes,
and it's like they just think,ah, it's not really about the
work, it's more about just uspalling around and having a good
time.
You know, it's like no, butthis still has to get done.
(25:33):
And so I feel like people don'tget hired when they just see it
as, ah, let's just, let's justget by with doing as little as
possible, which kind ofpiggybacks on the last thing we
were talking about, but thepower of simply doing your job,
whatever it is.
Even if you're just a volunteer, doing it with excellence over
(25:56):
an extended period of time, youwill create a feeding frenzy for
yourself, and that's what thisguy did.
He just did an excellent jobover a period of time, and now
everyone wants to hire him foreverything, and it's like
anybody can do that, by the way.
Like you just went the extramile every chance you got, you
(26:19):
just elevated the experience foreveryone.
Every chance you got, you justlike thought outside the box and
wanted to create a space ofexcellence.
Every single chance you got youtook initiative.
And these are all qualitieslike the ones I'm naming right
now, that we at my church call abig L leader, and that's what
(26:41):
churches want to hire.
You're either a big L leader ora little L leader, and a little
L leader still leads andthey're still necessary and we
need them, but they're just moreof a managerial type of role
where, as a big L leader hasinitiative and vision and big
picture and excellence andmotivation and a hunger and a
(27:05):
hustle, and they're makingthings happen.
And I will say it as often as Ican till the day I die, because
this is my one of my favoriteleadership principles from Craig
Groeschel.
He says leaders don't need tobe told what to do.
They instinctively findimportant things to do, and I
(27:25):
think that is the kind of personthat people want to hire,
especially churches.
And then, lastly, anotherreason you might not be getting
hired at a church is it might bethe wrong church and it might
be the wrong position for you.
So just because you, so youcould get hired at a church
(27:46):
doing something besides being ayouth pastor.
There's other jobs and thatmight fit your gift set a little
bit better.
You might look at thatmicrophone stage teaching thing
and think it's for you, but itjust might not be, unfortunately
.
But there's other positionsthat are no less important, that
(28:06):
are still creating the fullnessof the bride of Christ, and we
need that.
You know, the one body, manyparts we need it all and you
don't always get to choose whatyou are.
And we need that.
You know the one body, manyparts, we need it all and you
don't always get to choose whatyou are.
And that's the hard thing isbecause and you know, the Bible
even says that like you look atthat part and you're like, well,
I wish I could hear, like, whycan I only see you know?
(28:26):
And it's like, yeah, but weneed you.
So just lean into that giftingand you'll be happier.
The body of Christ will benefit.
Like this is better for you andfor everyone to be honest with
what your actual gifts are.
Maybe you're not the meant to bethe youth pastor, but maybe
you're meant to do youthministry, just not as the big L
(28:48):
leader, and that's okay.
How many big leaders can wehave in one church?
I mean, there's other roles youknow like not.
So be open to that and thenalso be open to.
I had a guy who really, really,really, really, really, really
wanted to go into ministry andhe I said I, I can see it in you
(29:12):
.
You know you love the Lord, youconnect with students, you have
a passion for truth.
Here's what I, what I will sayis based on your DNA profile,
makeup, how you do ministry.
You're going to do it reallywell, just not here.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I can.
I said I've worked here longenough A better fit at a
different church To just know Adifferent, different vibe and I
could even name the church yeah,I told him I said you know what
?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
they would pee their
pants.
They'd be so excited becauseyou were meant for them.
Right, I would really go applythere.
And that church needs a youthpastor too.
You know what I mean.
So we can't always just likecreate this menu for ourselves
Like, um, yes, I'll have thischurch and this role and this
(29:59):
salary and these hours and thankyou Jesus, and come back with
my perfectly curated ministrycareer.
You might not be a good fit forthat particular church.
You might not be a particularfit for that role.
And so, being willing to havethese honest conversations with
people in leadership at thechurches you're looking at of
like, hey, if you don't see mein this role, where do you see
(30:21):
me?
Or do you see my gifts bettersuited for a different church
environment?
You all know churches are sodifferent.
We all love the same God.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
We all serve the same
Jesus, but they're different,
right, we all?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
love the same God In
a good way.
We all serve the same Jesus,but they're different.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And they should be,
because you wouldn't want it to
be all the same, because it'snot going to speak to every
single person.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
A hundred, and so
figure out where.
Where are you sitting?
Yes, because that church needsyou, that church is waiting for
you.
That's what I was trying totell my friend.
I said that church is likebegging, like for you you could
be the answer to their prayer.
Like they've been waiting foryou this whole time and you
might be the best fit there.
(31:00):
So sometimes we just have to behonest with ourselves.
Like you know what?
I could try my absolute best,have a pristine resume, have
tons of ministry experience, butI still might not be a good fit
for that particular churchbecause, as we know, they're all
so different and thank God theyare.
We need those.
We all worship the same God,same Jesus, same tenants of
(31:23):
faith, but just the cultureinside with this particular
group of people in thisparticular city and time and
history, it's just all verydifferent and and it might you
might need to kind of turn yourattention to what else is out
there if it's not happening foryou at that church.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah Well, make sure
you guys check out an episode we
did.
It's called heart hunger andhustle.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You kind of touched
on it for a second and make sure
you check that out.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It kind of just
describes what it takes to be a
good leader, specifically inyouth ministry.
All right, let's do a communitycomment of the day here real
quick.
Okay, I like these.
This comes from the Siv Div whosays Binging, all your episodes
loving it so far, keep themcoming.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
We will every
Thursday.
You can count on us.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Thank you, siv Div,
we appreciate it.
We appreciate you on us.
Thank you, sivdiv, weappreciate it.
We appreciate you.
We appreciate you guys watchingand listening and we'll see you
next time.
Welcome to the Ministry CoachPodcast, where we give you
weekly stuff.
My name is Jeff Laskola andthis is Kristen.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Do numbers really
matter?
In youth ministry Maybe,numbers, what are they?