Missing in Hush Town LIVE Q&A with Jules + Casey (Updates, Theories, Questions, and Frustrations)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Missing and Hushtown Live
Q and A. I'm your host, John rivera investigative journalists
and producer. I am going to be joined here shortly
by Jewels and Casey, so let's dive right in. Let
me add the ladies to the stream. But before we
start the Q and A, I just want to say that,

(00:23):
since we are live on multiple platforms, we will be
dedicating a certain amount of time at the end of
the live stream for live questions, So if you do
have any questions, make sure you're putting them in the
chat wherever you're streaming. All right, let's get started.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hi, I'm Jules Thorpe. I'm your host, Jules, and I
am so happy that you guys are here because we
have some unfinished business with this case, and I think
it's super important that you guys are here. Many of
you know I host Missing in Hushtown and I produced

(01:03):
it along with Casey, and our job's not done. So
I'm here so we get all our justice and then
maybe we can change some laws together. So thank you here,
and don't be afraid ask anything. If we can't answer it,
we'll say we can't answer that. But feel free to
put it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
It's my turn. Yes, you're hey, I am Casey Robinson.
You can call me Casey Wicks. I go by that too.
Jennifer and Adrian are my family. Jennifer's my older sister
and Adrian as my niece. And a lot of you
know who I am. If you're on our Facebook page, Hello,

(01:44):
And obviously I'm fighting Mike hel for justice. So here
we are. Ask all your questions. I'm not afraid of
the questions. I will tell you if I can't answer them,
and I will dance around some of them. So just
bear with me as my wheels are turning because it
takes me a second to get there. And how I'm
gonna say an answer without saying an answer?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Awesome? All right, Well, I don't think we need to
waste any more time. What do you think, ladies? Ready
to get right into the.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Q and A yeah, let's get in the ring? All right.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So since we left off when the podcast was released
in August, there's been a lot of reactions. We've gotten
a lot of support, which is amazing. But I'm going
to start with you, Jules. What sperations of success have
you been for missing in hushtown.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Gosh actually wrote down one stat that's actually really cool.
We are in sixty one different territories, so that's worldwide.
We're international, and we also the first because of the
Wakes Warriors. You guys, I need to turn off my
comments because I'm just gonna keep putting my eyes over there.

(03:01):
The Wicks Warriors Warriors put us on the national Apple
United States True Crime podcast charts, so we continue to
rank nationally. I think our top was forty four on
Apple Podcasts and that's out of all the true crime
that's out there. So thank you guys. The more and

(03:23):
more we continue to perform, the more Wix Warriors we have,
and the harder it's going to be to ignore the
Wicks Warrior Army. So it's been it's been a pretty
pretty successful as far as numbers go. We'll only really
measure the success of this if we achieve our goal
of justice, so we can't stop.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
We keep going.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Absolutely Well, Casey, I'm going to jump to you, so,
how has the podcast release affected your family's mission for justice.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'll say that it wasn't technically the release that affected
our mission for justice. It was Jules. Sorry, jewels don't
mean to put you on the spot, but I'm going
to and I'll just say a lot of you know,
I picked up our Facebook page a couple of years ago.

(04:17):
Mom had been running it for years and years and years.
I see a lot of those memories pop up, and
it's cool to see those memories, and I'm real proud
of Mom for what she started. And I kind of
picked it up having been in the social media world
and you know, having that knowledge working in direct sales
and doing all kinds of live videos. I was just

(04:38):
kind of used to it. And I was like, I'm
gonna put this to Jennifer and Adriana's case, see what
I could do. And so I did. And then my
cousin introduced me to Jules, and I was kind of
like in a slumpy moment where I didn't really want to, like,
I don't know, get up every day and work on
the case anymore. And then Jules and I met and

(04:58):
it was like, we're going to do this. I knew
right away. We met at the white House Public Library
in white House, Tennessee, just a little bit one of
the un directionally challenged east of Springfield to the east.
It's east, I think, but Anyways, that's where we met
and we were best friends for life from that moment forward.

(05:20):
And I'll say just kind of how my family felt
prior to us working on the podcast, and how my
family felt while we were working on the podcast and
working in social media, working with Jewels and yourself, Jen,
I mean, it just really amp some things up for

(05:41):
us that got us fired up. And I mean I
told her on multiple occasions, like you're making me want
to keep going, and she's right, like the Wicks Warriors
is what now you have all been named? You know,
that's what keeps us going. And I think that doing
the podcast really really gained us more support. And so

(06:03):
those days whenever we're feeling like I don't want to
do this anymore, which are more days than we would
like to admit, you know, and that's kind of sad
to say, but we have those days whenever it's like
I can't do this again today, you know, But getting
on here and seeing all of these people's comments and
your little hearts flying up and talking to Jewels every

(06:25):
day and the messages we call each other barnacles because
she's like ear stuck with me for life, and I'm
fine with that because we really needed someone like that
in our corner. And so that's what the podcast has
done for us. And then since the podcast has released,
obviously getting into those sixty one countries, getting our case

(06:48):
known across the world is very very important, and just
keeping that awareness alive for our case is very very important.
Especially in a case as old as ours, it was
important to stay in the media. So I think that's
what we did whenever we produce this and when it released,
and yeah, I think it just kind of changed the
way our family, I don't know, just like our stamina

(07:12):
and our strength and like what we had to keep going,
you know.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, well, thank you, thank you for that. As far
as now what we're gonna do. We're gonna jump around audience,
everyone who's watching. So I'm gonna be asking Casey questions.
I'm gonna be asking Jewels questions. So we're going to
go back and forth. But my next question is for Jewels.
Just in terms of the Wicks case, Okay, will there
be will there be additional seasons?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yes, Casey and I have been working behind the scenes. Actually,
we were working on the next season. We called the
book the Next Book of Missing in Hushtown. With about
the Wicks Girls while we were doing the first one,
because there's a lot of things and excursions we went

(08:03):
on that we cannot publicly share yet. But we were rolling,
we were recording the whole time. Yes, I've signed up
for life. So however, many seasons that we need to do,
we can play the social media game and whatever trends
we need to do to keep this. We'll play whatever
game we can to make sure that the girls stay

(08:26):
front and forward. And the next season is not going
to be the Wis Case because we can't move forward
with the Wis Case as far as a whole nother
season and reveal everything we know just yet legally, that's
what I'll say on that, but I promise it's there.

(08:47):
It'll be there for you. But the next season of
Missing in Hushtown is actually another girl who has been
missing from Tennessee. Actually, March fourth is the National Missing
Children's Day or National Tennessee's Missing Children's Day, and it's
because Bethany Markowski went missing on March fourth, and she's

(09:08):
actually our next Missing in Hushtown and we're working with
her mother and her family, who's absolutely amazing. And I
found out about Bethany Markowski through the Wicks family. So
I truly felt that it was meant to be. You know,
we're not at a shortage of cases to take, so
we had to really think and pray which one we

(09:29):
wanted to take. And this Bethany Markowski story is going
to get you. It's going to just infiltrate your heart
and make you part of Bethany's brigade. So that's the
next season and it's already in production.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yes, it absolutely is. Okay, Casey, my next question is
for you. So, in terms of your involvement in the
production of the podcast, how involved were you with Jules.
I mean, I know this answer, but I'm going to
ask you anyway.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
When she asked me if I wanted to co produce,
I was like, well, I don't know how to do
a podcast. And I had already listened to some of
her episodes on True Crime and Headline, so I was like,
this sounds good to me, Like let's do it for
Jennifer and Adriana, you know, like every episode about us
that it would be great. But I was like, I

(10:22):
don't know how to do a podcast. She was like
that's okay, Like I'm gonna do all of that, you know,
I just basically whenever we say co producer, like I'm
obviously all of the information into the case. She's doing
her own research and everything too, trying to stay unbiased,
trying to stay unbiased, which is very hard to do
in some cases, especially ours bias. But I was more

(10:48):
of like the information and the connections and the networking
part for her, connecting her to people. You know, I
recorded conversations and things like that. I mean, she produced
and put all of it together. Yourself did a lot
of it, Jen too, But as far as how much

(11:08):
I actually produced the podcast, I mean no, I didn't
do that. I still don't know how to do it.
Your magicians to me, I think Missing and Hushdown turned
out wonderful. I know some people don't like episode eight.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's gonna haunt me forever. I'm working on it. We'll
dress that one.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I know, I know, but I think it turned out wonderful.
I think you and everyone that's watching can expect some
of the interviews to be done on phone call because
we can't be in all places, especially with children, and
that's what episode eight was. And we were actually that
day at an event for Jennifer and Adriana, So she
had to like step outside out back to go and

(11:48):
do that on my phone's recording device, so she didn't
have any of her like stuff to do it. And
I mean anywhere. Anytime Jules was there to record to
take an interview, she did multiple occasions. I think it
turned out wonderful. But yeah, I like the title co producer,
and I just like having Jules gave me a lot

(12:11):
of authority, if you will, which I think is really important.
And I know she'll do for Bethany's family too, And
what I mean by that is and it's very important
in our cases. There's so many other episodes that we've
put out for Jennifer and Adriana and articles and interviews
that we've done where we didn't know at the time
what we know now. And so as I was going

(12:34):
through listening to it, kind of approving what you know,
the script was and what we talked about, what information
we would share, she gave all that to meet firsthand.
So everything that's out there is out there because I said, yeah,
this sounds good, you know, And that doesn't mean she
didn't try to persuade me to say the people need

(12:54):
to hear this. You know, we need this for Jennifer
and Adriana and for Justice. And I appreciated about our
relationship and I think that's I mean, we worked really
well together. But yeah, co producer, well.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I think you're an awesome co producer. And Jewels, I
just have to shout you out as well, because being
a podcaster being a producer is not easy. There's so
much that we do behind the scenes that no one
gets to see. And just a side note about episode eight,
I just have to give my two sons because I
know that, like you said, Jewels, there's and Casey, there

(13:30):
are going to be times when you can't be in
person with someone and you do have to take that
call on the phone and you're recording it and sometimes
it's not the best quality. But we do our best
too to make it the best quality. So I give
you total props Jewels for taking that feedback well number
one and two for doing something about it as well,

(13:53):
so you know, trying to get that updated so everyone
can understand what's being said, but just how to put
that out there. It's important to put that out there
in the beginning, so when people say I.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Can't understand episode eight. What were you thinking? And I'm like, oh, no,
I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking. Well,
it's like some people to understand it, some people don't.
And in retrospect, if I could go and do it again,
I would have made sure it was the best quality.
But sometimes you only have one shot for an interview,
and to us it sounded fine, but I want to

(14:27):
listen and take that feedback. So I actually have a
podcaster who's reading the transcript for us, and that's going
to be spliced in so it can be accessible for
everybody exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
And you do, you learn from it and you grow.
Just saw that. Rachel and Heather, thank you, all right,
So moving on, Jules, this is I'm gonna put you
on the spot a little bit. So there was a
podcast episode and podcast I guess we can say that
was promoted and publicized, but it was retracted. Yes, is

(15:07):
it going to be released and maybe give our audience
a little bit more, you know, in depth, look into
what happened there and what's going on with that.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I think that's just the perfect example of putting the
victims family first, to be honest, the our company, you know,
Jen and I have Fireeyes Media together, and I have
any Audio House, which produced the first season. I sat
down and I thought very specifically, what kind of ethics

(15:41):
do I want to have, and it's victims first, And
we did that. Casey and I did this episode together.
She read the script, she recorded for it. But I
always tell them, if you change your mind right before
we hit publish, it's we change our mind. And if
it doesn't feel right for Casey or if there's something there.

(16:05):
Knowing Casey long enough and as well as I do
now that if her gut is telling her not to,
she trusts her gut, and I trust her trusting her gut.
So we will release it one day when we feel
apps like the whole team feels like it's the best release.
But it's in the cue. It's a great episode. It'll

(16:26):
blow your mind, but it's there for when we want
it and when we get the green light and the
okay from the boss. And yeah, I'm sorry that I didn't.
We didn't. We did not mean to tease you, Casey
did not mean to I did not. We did not
mean to tease you. But sometimes you just have to
listen to that little voice.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, and I'll be honest too, Like I get real
fired up some days. I mean there's days like I
want to just get on social media and just blast
it for the whole world to hear, you know. And
so to Jules's point, it's like I was, I was like, yeah,
let's do it, like let's go, you know, and then
I slept on it. And then it's not just me

(17:08):
and our family, right, We've got Mom, We've got Heather,
We've got Billy, we've got Megan, We've got Jennifer's dad Michael.
Like we I mean, I run things past people and
if they're like, you know, and the last thing that
we want to do is jeopardize getting justice. Now, if
there comes a point in time, like Jewels said, it's

(17:28):
already recorded and ready to go, if there comes a
point in time where we're like, you know, this isn't happening,
and you know, we might get to that point. And
I'll be honest, I think in that episode Jules, which
we need to go back and re listen to it,
we had some like some big things in the works
that were kind of put on pause, and as far

(17:52):
as more awareness, like national awareness, and so I think
that's what we were waiting on. But I think the
information in that episode was it was more so it's
really already out there in bits and pieces and if
you can read between the lines, but it's just us
saying it outright, which is kind of what everyone needs

(18:15):
to hear.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think once you may have caught it already if
you saw the promo for it what we labeled the episode.
But yeah, we're all learning on the spot. There's no
manual for when your sister and your niece are victims.
And this is our first go around too, So.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
So my next question is for both of you ladies,
since the release of the podcast, have you felt unsafe
and hushtown?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh go ahead, Casey.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I've sent my entire life feeling unsafe. So since the
release of the podcast, I will say wall In production
of the podcast, there was a lot of that. I mean,
there were days Jules and I are standing, you know,
right out in front of their house. I don't and

(19:10):
I don't know them personally, and when I say them
the Bentans, I don't know them personally, and I don't
know that anything like that would ever happen. Potentially, the
most dangerous of them all is in jail. But while
in production, yes, there were times whenever, but then my

(19:31):
adrenaline gets in the middle of that, and then I
just think about Jennifer and Adriana. But yeah, I would
say there's definitely a worry there, but it's always lived
there in the back of my mind since they disappeared,
because I mean, someone did it to them. I don't
put it past anybody.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, I've not felt unsafe yet and I don't
know if why. But the reason I ended up choosing
to take on this case even though the girls went
missing just a few miles away the crow flies from
where I'm sitting now is truthfully, I sat on it

(20:12):
for a bit and went over back and forth, and
if I was going to feel safe, I was going
to go in one hundred percent. And I still feel safe.
And I'll never jeopardize my family for anything ever, my kids,
my husband, my parents, never, So if it feels right,
sometimes I just think you have to be a little braver.
You can be brave and scared and doing stuff. But

(20:34):
I haven't felt afraid for my safety yet. That might
change in a few months, and we'll talk about that
in a little bit. That Casey fires me up too.
I mean, she'll go in a burning house. I'm right
behind you. It's not a good idea, but I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, that leads me to the next question. Then, are
have a lot of people come up to you in
public to talk about the case?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yes? On my end, Yeah, I've had people at the
Nashville Zoo come up to me, and I'll typically have
a bunch of my we need to order more about
these weeks warrior bands on and I'll give them, take
it off my rists and give them to them. This
might be my last one out and about, and we

(21:25):
do a lot of public speaking in Hushtown together. Casey
and I were a team, and we'll go together. So
we're starting to get recognized more and more. No, Casey
got recognized recently out to dinner. Yeah, so I welcome it.
Talk to us. What do you think? Give us your theories?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, I'm on that same boat. I take any opportunity
to talk about Jennifer and Adriana and the case. And
I mean someone asked send the questions a second ago,
and I think mine's probably behind, but they just said,
do you feel like you have the support from the community. Yeah,
I feel like we do and that comes along with

(22:12):
what we're doing here tonight, like and all of the
people in the comments and anytime you like and share
our posts or I mean anything you show up to
an event like that gives us the family the feeling
of support. And she's right. I mean I was in
Springfield recently just for a friend thing and someone reached
out to me at dinner, and I mean that means

(22:35):
a lot to me that that was my goal starting
out a couple of years ago, was I want everyone.
It's so surprising to me that there's people that live
in Robertson County in Nashville quite frankly and surrounding areas
that don't know about Jennifer and Adriana. Blows my mind,
you know, especially I mean there's not a lot of
pages our page. I don't know how to check it recently,

(22:57):
but it's got plenty of followers for Facebook anyways, I
know there's other platforms, but like, I just expect, like
everyone to know who Jennifer and Adriana are. There's some
younger people that are have just moved here. Uh. And
then we put up billboards things like that the yard signs,
and then people could miss it, you know. And the
billboards have since come down, which we may do some

(23:18):
more of, and we may change out the yard signs
for like a different design or something like that. And
I asked the other day for everyone to put those
back up because I noticed a lot of them were down.
I know the stands are flimsy, so if you need
another one, let me know. But I think all of
that is very very important for awareness and and yeah,
we get we get recognized all the time, they just

(23:41):
aren't you the Yeah, yeah, I'm her, and so it's
not for people to recognize me though. It's for case awareness. Yeah,
you know that, that's what it's all about. And I
know some other missing person's families pages that I follow,
they get blasted sometime on social media for acting like

(24:03):
they're doing it for their own attention and their own
five minutes of fame, you know, and it's just not
the case. Like, Unfortunately, this is what we have to do.
And I don't want to, like I literally don't want
to ever get on Facebook again because social media has
its challenges, but I have to and if I don't,

(24:25):
then all of you wouldn't have even known about Jennifer Adrian.
I mean, there's the ones I have been supporting us
for twenty years and ten years and such. But there's
a lot of followers and support and awareness that we've
gained since we started production for the podcast sou But yes,
that was a long way to say, Yes, people reach
out to us in public when we're out at the

(24:47):
cry the.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Power of social media, and I just you'll see me
go through spurts. You know, I have two kids and
working from home and homeschool and all these crazy ideas,
all these million of projects. So what we're all, jenn
and I are always doing. So when we get a
chunk of time, it's create, push it out and the
power of something like a social media reel, like we

(25:11):
had two point six or whatever million views on one
reel of a quick I said, hey, Kathy, take this,
put this candle down. I'm gonna do slow motion. She
had already put down, pick it back up, put it
back down at the vigil that we had for Jennifer
and Adriana a few weeks ago. And it's because of

(25:31):
that in a video that I took a billy at
the same vigil, that podcast again charted on Apple Podcasts.
We saw a massive Spike where we went from like
five hundred daily downloads to over five thousand. And that
is the power of sharing on social media and doing that.
So whenever we post it, that's we have to play

(25:53):
this game to get the girls out there, because that's
what everyone's consuming. Everyone's head is down on their phone.
We got it, got to talk to them through it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, absolutely, All right, let's.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Y'all got some good questions, and I'm sorry, there's a
lot of people asking good questions. I promise you if
you have to jump off and get back on because
we're going to cover a lot of a lot of
y'all's questions. Sorry, Jen, now you're good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So we do have a lot of pre set questions
just based on things that have been asked, but we
will We'll dedicate time later on in the in the
stream to address a lot of these questions, so don't worry.
But I do want to pivot and ask some pressing
questions about season one. So I think the best way
to do this we'll chunk these into categories just to

(26:40):
kind of address you know, each one best. So we'll
start with I, me and Casey. I'll have quite a
few questions for you, but we'll start with Joey. So, Casey,
are you still in communication with Joey Metton? And if so,
what does that look like right now?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah? Yeah, the short answer is yes. Uh. I go
some time without talking to him and we just communicate
via text. But I tried to stay in contact with him.
I get this sense that I get the sense that
he's trying to help me, and I don't know how

(27:24):
to explain that. And it's not that we fully trust
each other. I think that's probably mutual, but I do
stay in contact with him. I ask him questions. He
responds to those questions, like I asked him recently, like
are there any wells an Yall's property, like just for

(27:45):
setting up future searches? And I asked him that this
week and he responded, I know that he's been in
contact with our private investigator and that was a first.
And I just try to really just keep the lines
of communication open with him, especially since he's really the

(28:09):
only one trying to help. We can get in more
to that too.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So has Joey listened to the podcast, Casey?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Do you know? I don't know. I haven't asked him again.
Shortly after it released, I asked him, did you listen
to the podcast? And he was like, no, how do
I listen? Just listen him the link. Well, I mean
he may not get on social media. I don't know
what you know. Some people have profiles haven't looked at
in years, right, Like I saw one today of like

(28:41):
a couple that used to be married and they're they're
not married. I haven't been for years, but like it's
still a picture of them and the profiles. I don't
know if he gets on social media. So I'm like, Okay,
you really don't know how here's the link, and so
I don't know if he's listened to it. I would
expect after I sent him the link that he did,
he didn't say anything about it. I mean I did

(29:03):
get some communication after that from some people that know him,
just trying to like fill us in on some things
that we may have had questions about that maybe know
him a little bit better than we do, since we
weren't able to get an interview from him for the podcast,
which is what we really wanted, because if you're telling

(29:24):
the whole story, you got to tell every side to
the story. Not that our case is a story in
any kind of way. Or a movie or whatever. But
I mean that he deserves to be heard, you know,
innocent until proven guilty, that sort of thing. So we
gave him the opportunity to do that. Yeah, and a
court of all and so yeah, I don't know if

(29:47):
he listened to it or not. I hope he has,
and I don't know. I really hope that everything that
I do on social media is not for nothing. I
hope that he sees it all.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah. I I've reached out to him quite a few times,
not not since the podcast came out, but I never
heard back. And I don't ever want to overextend, you know,
I have to still respect all sides. But if he
still wants to come on and talk with me, absolutely
I would love to talk with him, and I'll give
him the same space and the respectful space and opportunity

(30:22):
to share his version of his events. One person has
real quick before because I think it's gonna get sorry
and I won't look at them anymore, but it's going
to get lost in the things. Somebody asked, how does
going viral like millions of views on social media help

(30:43):
us chart? And that's because that's a million more people
or that have seen or heard about the case, and
that's how and then go and listen to the podcast.
So that's just it's just marketing.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Well, and I will tack onto that like maybe you
ever went down like a rabbit hole before, Like you
see like an ad on Facebook and you click it
and now you're on their website and now you're scrolling
around in their website and you're like, how did they
even get here? And you just spent like a whole
hour there. Well, that's what social media does. So the
more that you guys like and share and comment and
go back and forth in conversations on our posts, that

(31:20):
all drives the success of our awareness goal for Jennifer
and Adriana's case, because then it takes our post and
if people are scrolling and it gives you like accounts
that you might like or accounts similar to the ones
that you look at, that's what it's doing. It's putting
it up in front of people because you're looking at it.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
And so yeah, okay, so I have a big question,
and this is probably one of the most asked questions
I think, but Casey, did Joey tell you how the
girls died?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
He did? He told me, He told me. What he
wanted me to believe was how they died. Now you
have to understand, as far as the public is concerned,

(32:17):
he told all of you that Jennifer and Adriana got
into this white car at the gas station and disappeared,
and then came back to his house the next day
on Friday, and then disappeared again. Okay, And so I
got that in my head. Then I talked to him
in April of this year, is our first time speaking
over the phone ever, and he tells me all of

(32:40):
that's true, and so, and then I go April, May, June, July.
I talked to him in July, and then he tells
me what we know from him today, which is their
decease and their last day was March twenty fifth, two
thousand and four, and so which one do I believe?
It's like being lied to so many times that you
don't know what to believe. And so here we are

(33:05):
like talking for the first time ever, and I have
this feeling he's trying to help me, but I'm not sure,
and we don't really trust each other, And so do
I believe that he's telling this because it really happened?
Do I believe that he's telling this because he wants
something from this story that he's telling. Does he want

(33:26):
something to happen because of what he's telling me, Does
he have an ulterior motive? Or did it really happen?
And I just can't believe him because he's the boy
who cry wolf so many freaking times, right, And so
I don't know if what he told has any truth
to it whatsoever. The short answers, yes, he told me

(33:50):
how they died. And I'm not going to share that
literally with anyone. And the reason is is because my
goal is Jennifer and Adriana. My goal is not to
help anybody else except them, and I feel like if

(34:11):
I put that out there that it could potentially help
him or one of his other family members, and I'm
not going to do that. And so he did tell
me how they died, and I might share it one
day if we get to the point where we're changing

(34:32):
laws and if we ever get to the point of prosecution.
That's why we hold back information. By the way, anytime
I hold back information from anyone who wants to know it,
it's not because I want to tease you with the information.
It's only because if I share that I have no
idea because I've never done this before. What me sharing

(34:55):
that information, what the effect will be on prosecuting in
the future. And so this year, especially with everything that
happened earlier this year, and I know we're going to
get into that later. What happened in March with his
dad that was kind of like the domino, the first
domino that led to a lot of things this year.
And we thought, and still, I guess, hold out a

(35:18):
little hope that prosecution is still on the table and
for someone that's responsible for their deaths, and so I
can't do anything to mess that up. And the answers, Yes,
he told me how they died.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Now, Casey, did he happen to say that he saw
the girls after they had already died at his home
on March twenty fifth, two thousand and four?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Will you repeat that? I'm sorry?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
So, did Joey say that he saw the girls after
they were already dead at his home on March twenty fifth,
two thousand and four.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I think I saw someone ask this question, and so
I guess like the second part to this question was,
or did he say that someone else told him that
they had died? And I know it had been asked
a few times. The best way that I can answer
this is he felt sure that they were dead whenever

(36:41):
he got home that day, according to what he told us.
I'm not going to say that he saw him or
didn't see them, and I'm not going to say that
anyone told him or didn't tell him, but I can
tell you that he felt pretty confident in telling us that.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Now, did he say why he didn't call the police?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Then at that time, that's a golden question.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
That is literally everyone's first sentence out of their mouth
whenever we tell them this. Right. So, when we've been
talking to the DA and law enforcement and this team
and within our family and just kind of feeling everyone in,
they're like, oh, if that happened, like why didn't you
call the police? And we're like, like, I don't know,

(37:28):
you know, I think he did say let me answer
the question. He did say the reason why he didn't
call the police. But I'm gonna dance around this. But
if we're not believing what he's saying fully, then we

(37:54):
can't believe what he's saying fully about why he didn't
call the police. So we're like, you know, how do
I say, bear with me.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You're doing a great I'm getting there. You're doing.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
He he said, how he hold on a second, he
did say he did say the reason he didn't call
the police? Now, is it believable? Maybe just based on

(38:31):
their family dynamic. I'll leave it there.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And did he happen to say why after sticking to
his story for all that time, why now twenty years later,
is he suddenly changing his story?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
No? My mom straight up asked him that question too,
you know, just sitting right across from him, she asked
him that exact question. Uh. Oh, he just said, you
felt like we should know because also because of things
that they were going through at the time, I mean
their family. I guess things that they were uncovering themselves

(39:14):
that they didn't know before. And I mean about all
the stuff that happened with his dad in March, you know,
the things that they found. You know, I think that
I think that he was trying to make us believe
that they were finding out things for the first time

(39:38):
and that they felt like that they could now share
it with us based on what they were finding out
about family members.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So, Casey, what do you believe?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I've got a lot of theories. Obviously, I've went back
and forth over the last couple of years, especially before
we met with him in July this year. I mean
I was all over the place with my theories. I
would call up my mom every day, every other day,
you know, I got it, this is what happened, and

(40:26):
here's why, you know, And I would get down to
the nitty gritty when we were talking about the white
car and did it exist? Did he drop them off
at the gas station? Was Adriana there? Did something happen
to Adriana before they left? Did Jennifer ever leave the house?
You know? So when we're talking about the car, I
was like, they only got one car, mom, you know,
so if and then I was like narrowing down, like

(40:47):
where was Cindy that day? Where was joe that day?
Where was Joey that day? And the times of the
phone calls. And you can probably see that over the
last couple of years as my posts have went on
and I'm trying to explain things, to get right down
to it. Though, I've always felt that Jennifer and Adriana
both were not here anymore from the very beginning as

(41:14):
a family member of a missing person, when someone is
technically missing and there's no proof that they are or
are not still alive. You hold out that small little
bit of hope that they might still be out there.
Maybe they were human trafficked, because there's a lot of
that going on, you know, sex trafficking, illegal adoptions, there's

(41:41):
been some of that in our research, while research in
our case and with people in connection with the Bentons.
I mean, with all of those things, you just kind
of keep that hope. And especially there's not just me here,
there's other people in my family, my mom. It's very

(42:02):
very difficult. I can only imagine as a sister and
an aunt, but for my child, I would probably never
give up that hope that that they're still out there.
And then a lot of people kept the hope for
Adriana because she's too. I've even seen it in the
comments so far while we've been live, like how could

(42:25):
they do that to a two year old? And my
response is always, it happens every single day, turn on
the news, and so that's why I've always felt that
it's probably the both of them. And this year we
kind of got confirmation, if you will, by speaking to

(42:45):
Joey that that they were deceased. Now you always have
to keep in the back of your mind this guy's live, right,
So keep that in the back of your mind. There's
a little piece of me that doesn't one hundred percent
believe what he sang, and you can't just take bits
and pieces of what he sang and make them true.

(43:07):
And so, but the point of it is is that
he saying that they died that day. He's the last
person that saw them. He's the last witness to their
being alive, according to him and his family and the
story that they made up. And so that's all I
have to go off of. And so what I believe

(43:28):
happened is is that Joey came home from work that
day and I think that they got into a heated argument.
I think that my sister was trying to leave, and
I think she was trying to get him to come
with her, just based on the conversation with my aunt
that she had that day at one o'clock. And for

(43:53):
the longest time, I felt like she was just trying
to get her and Adriana out of there. She just
realized the situation she was in and I don't need
to be with this guy anymore. But recently my aunt.
I can't remember how it came about, but she talked
to someone and I think I asked my cousin. I

(44:13):
was like, did she say that Jennifer said she wanted
Joey to leave with her that day, and she said yes,
And so that's what leads me to believe that. I
think that they had a conversation and that he wouldn't
let her leave, And so I think there's a possibility
that something happened between Jennifer and Joey in that moment

(44:34):
when she was trying to leave, because I think that's
very common in abusive relationships people that are under the influence,
which he was quite a bit back then, according to
pretty much everyone that knew him. And I also think
that there's a possibility that they left from their talking

(44:55):
to go back to his parents' house and she he
was trying to gather some things and with probably mouth
and all or something and things heated up there with
all three of them home. Now, what happened to Adriana
is something I don't like to think about, but based

(45:19):
on what he told us in July earlier this year,
if there's any truth to what he told I don't
put it past them to be able to do something
to Adriana too, So I think that both of them

(45:41):
died that day. I think he's telling the truth. I
think that there's parts of it that aren't true. I
think he's omitting parts of it. I don't know if
he'll tell me everything one day. I hope that he does,
but I think that there are parts that he's leaving
out to benefit himself or someone else.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Sorry, so we're live.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well, thanks for turning your camera off. We've forgot so Casey,
why and this is I know this is a question
that's asked all the time, but why hasn't Joey been
arrested then for obstruction of justice for lying about the
girls for the last twenty years?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, first I'll touch on that is like the biggest
question that we've gotten since I put that information out
for everyone to know, and not really that they want
to know why he's not being arrested for saying they
died that day? Right? And so this is kind of

(46:51):
a twofold question or two part question. The answers to
the reason why hasn't been arrested for saying they died
that day is because we got a twenty year old
case here, there's not a lot of evidence, as you
all know, and most of you, if you haven't, go
listen to Missing in Hushtown please all the episodes start
at the beginning. You're welcome to ask me to. But

(47:13):
there's pretty much no evidence in our case. There was
a lot of police work done in the beginning that
wasn't done properly or not entirely and not thoroughly. That
calls a lot of missed opportunity. And you know, I
think that that lack of evidence and those lack of statements,

(47:34):
and those just lack of looking into like everyone's whereabouts
and where was everyone in trying to actually look at it.
Missing person's cases are so backwards, like if someone's missing
and it's very unusual for them to be missing, it
should be worked to the opposite way of how law
enforcement does it. And that's just the truth. They shouldn't

(47:56):
be you got to wait twenty four hours. It should
always be like, oh crap, something happened to this person.
It could be very bad. It should always be that way,
and especially if the people that you're living with have
any sort of criminal record, any sort and if you
go back and look, they got it, and so it
made no sense why there was no suspicion that maybe

(48:18):
something bad happened to them. But anyways, there's no evidence,
a physical evidence. Okay, there's the lying and the back
and forth and his statements about the white car. That's
because he didn't get a story straight yet, he didn't
understand the story fully. And then once you tell it
to yourself so many times, you can get it down
and lie about it for twenty years, and that's what

(48:39):
he did. And so there's a lack of evidence. And
then also we haven't found Jennifer and Adriana yet, and
so I mean, there are nobody cases, nobody murders where
people are convicted of murder. The March case based out
of Nashville, Tennessee, Perry and Janet March. I mean, that's
one of the biggest ones, and it does happen. So

(49:01):
it's not to say that we can't prosecute without Jennifer
and Adriana's remains, you know, But there's no weapon, there's
no anything because it wasn't looked for in the beginning.
And that's just the truth of it. And then the
second part of that question that you just asked, or
the only question you asked and I added to it,
is like why isn't he being arrested for obstruction of justice? Well,

(49:24):
that was like one of the things that we took
to our district attorney's most recent meeting, like is there
anything that you can do like like And my answer
is always statutes of limitation. I know that gets people
real fired up, but I mean the truth of it
is is that what he has told, everything that he's

(49:44):
told and by way of telling, admitted to is out
of statute of limitations in Tennessee, which I know all
the states are different, but in Tennessee we're looking that
first degree murder and so disposing of remains, campering with evidence,

(50:06):
falsifying a police report, lying to a police officer. I mean,
any of them. I can go down the list. It's
all done. And so I mean there's a lot that
needs to change as far as that. I no, Jewels
mentioned it in the beginning as far as law changes,
and we don't have to go into that. But that's
the reason why he's not being arrested. And I know
that the district attorney's looking into it because we mentioned

(50:26):
it to him and there was some things that kind
of got his wheels turning, and I hope that they
do something about it, because I mean, if they don't,
I mean that just kind of sets precedent that, like
anyone can lie about something as long as they make
sure go google it real quick and make sure how

(50:47):
long you've got to lie about it, and just hold
it in for that long, and then there's nothing anyone
can do about it. And they can't set a precedent
like that. So I really hope they do something about it.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's also important to know too. I mean, you've touched
on this many times that I don't know a lot
of our Wix warriors have as well. That we get
one shot. A lot of times you get one shot,
and so we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes.
With local law enforcement and Tennessee Perau of investigation, they'll
tell us what they want to tell us. They tell
me nothing, but they'll tell the family any they don't

(51:22):
have to tell them anything, So any morsel of information.
And I know it's probably a risk they feel on
their end to tell Casey if it goes then to
the podcaster. I understand there's there's not there's probably not
a lot of trust there between this new medium of

(51:43):
investigated podcasting and law enforcement. But I truly do feel
that we could work together. And if they only knew
how much information we have that we have not shared
because we're on their team, I really think that might
help shift the narrative on that.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
But so I'm going to transition over and ask some
questions about Joe Bentan in the court case. So, Casey,
will you discuss the charges in the outcome of the
most recent court case for Joey's father, Joe Benton.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, I have a yes, I will. Sometimes I don't
like talking about Joe, and I will because and my
mom said it recently, like they made their entire lives
our business twenty years ago when Jennifer and Adriana disappeared

(52:43):
from their home. So I believe that wholeheartedly. But i'll
I and Jules knows this about me, like I like
to walk like that. Fine, I'm only Jennifer and Adriana
over here, Okay. So in March this year, a lot
of you know, their high was raided. In March twenty
years to the day, almost to the time that we

(53:04):
reported a missing there was like this big raid at
their house didn't know at the time, but it had
nothing to do with Jennifer and Adriana. I say, nothing
to do with Jennifer and Adriana. Everything there has to
do with Jennifer and Adriana, okay, But as far as
law enforcements concerned in his charges, it had nothing to
do with Jennifer and Adriana, okay. So after that raid,

(53:28):
there were forty two weapons charges, illegal weapons charges and
explosive bomb making whatever materials or whatever. And then there
were a couple other charges that were already in place,
domestic assault and aggravated assault. Domestic assault was against his wife,

(53:53):
Aggravated assault was against a law enforcement individual. And then,
of course the one that everyone was just kind of
shocked about, or rather not shocked was a twenty year
old photograph of a minor where he got a charge
for sexual exploitation of a minor. So he we went

(54:17):
to a couple of court dates, Jools and I did
in the family and we'll save that episode for another
day because there's a lot to unpack there. It's interesting
learning about all of this if you know nothing about
what going to court is like and when they actually
call him up there, and if they actually do it

(54:38):
in front of you. So that's all a lot. We'll
do that another time. But we went to a lot
of his court hearings where he was assigned an attorney,
and then he was assigned a public attorney or public
defender or whatever for not being able to afford one
I guess of his own. And then the most recent

(55:01):
court date was October nine. S they have a bad memory,
but some things I can remember, and it's weird, but
I'm pretty sure it was October ninth, and I wasn't
there for that. But all of his charges were dismissed.
Joe was a convicted felon for he was part of

(55:26):
and took part in uh kidnapping a couple of years
back that involved another family member and of his We'll
go into that in a little bit, but anyways, during that,
became a felon, and so he wasn't allowed to have
any of these weapons at his home, and so whenever

(55:49):
they found all of these weapons, they are illegal, some
of them aren't registered, and so that's how he got
all of those charges. And so just the fact that
they were dismissed doesn't really make a lot of sense
to us. Anyways, again, we're not in that world. We
don't know. I mean, there have been plenty of people

(56:10):
comment and plenty of people that we have two who
have been like, if that were me, I would have
got so much time. So there's not really a lot
of people that understand it. It seemed unfair, it seemed unjust,
It seemed kind of shady, to be quite honest, for
forty two charges to get dropped the bomb making materials

(56:32):
or explosive weapons or whatever he ended up getting intent for.
He ended up getting sentenced for that one charge only,
but it kind of got like degraded or downgraded or
whatever to intent for making bombs, which is real confusing

(56:54):
because Jewels and I were there, the ATF people came
over and pushed us back. I don't know if they
were concerned about the materials that weren't touching each other
and there wasn't an actual bomb actually exploding and hurting people.
Maybe it's protocol. I'm not sure. Again, we're not in
that world, but that is the one charge that's stuck.
And so he got a year and we'll talk about that.

(57:16):
And then the sexual exploitation of a minor also dismissed
that one's a little bit mind blowing too, and could potentially,
in my opinion, relate to our case, just as far
as potential motive and things that we suspect as a family,
as far as why Jennifer and Adriana are gone today,

(57:37):
things that could have potentially been happening to Adriana because
he clearly, by way of photo proof, has a pattern
of that. So it was strange for that to get dismissed,
but it was. And so the year that he got
for the intent for bomb making whatever materials, he will

(58:02):
have served that full one year sentence because he was
already serving jail time since February or early March of
this year. He will get out on March sixth of
twenty twenty five. So yeah, that's it in a nutshell.
We're just kind of blown away by that. When we

(58:27):
ask about Joe and his charges, were told a lot
of times that it has nothing to do with Jennifer
and Adriana's case, which is kind of a little bit
of a slap in the face, honestly, not that we
don't understand what they mean technically, but when you're talking

(58:47):
about a twenty year old unsolved homicide and the charges
that were brought against him, potentially being the reason why
Jennifer and Adrian are not here today. Also, it just
doesn't make sense. So I hope that that helps clear
it up for some people that were wondering.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, So, Casey, I have one one more question, and
then Joels, I'm gonna jump to you because I'd like
to hear your kind of your experience being at the
court case. I think that's important just from your perspective.
But Casey, as far as you know, are Joe and
Sydney Button still married?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
As far as I know, Yeah, I don't know how
to go look up if people are still married or not.
I mean, I mean, she she's pretty active on social
media and I saw recently, I mean someone shared with
me that she had changed like a relationship status. But
that doesn't mean anything legally. I know that she at

(59:48):
least from what we're told, it doesn't sound like that
will be working out for them, for them to stay together.
But I mean, who knows. Like we're dealing people that
are unpredictable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Now, Jewels, just from your perspective attending the court hearing,
can you kind of walk us through that and maybe
some of your frustrations or what you experienced, you know,
from from this perspective, from like somebody who's working on
the podcast, who's a producer, who's but also an advocate,
What was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah? Absolutely, So everybody was out of town but me.
It was fall break and we had we had already
done our vacation. So I was there for the court,
the court hearing where his charges excuse me were dropped.
But you know, I wanted to represent the family and

(01:00:49):
I wanted to be there and do right by them.
So a few of our friends as well a married couple,
went with me because I asked them to because we
didn't know who would be there, and nobody wanted me
to go alone, and so I wanted to respect that fear.
So they met me there. But we went to the
courthouse or Robertson County Courthouse, and we couldn't get in

(01:01:11):
because duh, they're redoing the leaking roof. And so then
I had a call Sessions Court and ask where's this
taking place? So we ended up being about ten minutes
after nine, and it was scheduled for nine o'clock am.
And I walk in and it's just in a different venue.

(01:01:32):
So every there's tons of people in the hallway and
I go up to the bailiff and all the officers
checking your stuff to put you through to the courtroom courtroom,
and he asked me if I had if I was
being seen, and I said, no, sir. He said, well,

(01:01:53):
is it your family? Said no, sir. He goes, well,
then you have to wait here until the person's called.
I said, oh, hold on, We've done this before, and
how will I know if this person is called up?
How will I know when Joe's called up? Who's gonna
tell me? And I guess we could come get you.
I said, no, no, no, I was told this in

(01:02:14):
the past and we missed it. I'm not playing this.
We're not doing this anymore. I was. I was respectful,
but I was adamant. I said, I am representing the
family and they can't be here today and it's really
important that I can be here and not miss this.
And he said, who are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
You here to see?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
And I said, Joseph Frank Benton And he said why
didn't you say so? He said, go on through there.
And I don't know if he was a wakes warrior,
I don't know what, but it was a good moment
I felt, and so we went on through and we
sat down and I watched a different murder sentencing and
it was so heavy. The other family was in there,

(01:02:55):
and I felt so intrusive and it's devastating. And then
they say, okay, courts dismissed, and I'm go get Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Where's Joe?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Come to find out they saw him before nine am.
And I don't know if it's because they changed the venue,
but they saw him very first before the schedule nine am.
It's not supposed to start until nine am. Online had
said nine am on all the forms that said nine am.
So I'm fired up? Are you kidding me? We came
here for this family that it's so important. I don't

(01:03:27):
let them down, and I've missed them because you decided
to start thirty minutes early? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Anyway, that's that's that I wonder now we are starting earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
And we did have Jules was there and the couple
that went with her, but we had a friend of
my mom's go to just in case Jeules couldn't make it,
and she was there right at nine. But as Jewels said,
she they had already started his hearing and so she

(01:04:06):
called like the last five minutes of it and that
was that. So she saw parts of it, which is
the information that we have and all the information that
I shared a little bit ago. But she was there
and saw part of it. But Jeles is right, it
started before there. We don't know the reasoning for it.
But that wasn't the first occurrence of something like that happening.

(01:04:27):
That was like the third or fourth for every hearing
that we had been to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Well, next time, I'll meet them at the door when
they unlock it, because I'm not missing it, because that's ridiculous. Yeah,
you have a right to see this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
It's yeah, So let's move Let's move on. I want
to talk a little bit about a little bit more
about Cidey Button. So, Jules, has Cindy reached out to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
No, ma'am, she's not at all. I've not reached out
to her either. If she would like to talk with me,
I would love to sit down and talk with her
and again give her the same deal everyone else. Scott,
you have every right to dismiss any questions you have.

(01:05:20):
I will send you the questions ahead of time. Benton's
you can approve any of them. I just want to
get in front of you and talk to you, talk
to us. Everyone's talking about you around you for you.
I've got all of your criminal records. I'm freaking fired
up right now. I'm pissed off all over again. You
cannot hide in a small town like this. Justice is coming.

(01:05:42):
And so if you're just gonna sit there like a
hermit and hide, girl, your husband's getting out of jail
and he's a shit. What are you gonna do? What
are you gonna do? I'm worried about everybody. Is why
I shouldn't go live. But here's the deal. Here's the deal, Cindy.

(01:06:05):
I would love for you to come and talk to me.
Cynthia Kay Benton. This is your invitation to come and
talk to me. I'll meet you in a public space
and let's address everything and anything you want to say.
You can have all the recordings that I do. You
can record the interview yourself. I had people also record

(01:06:26):
their own interviews so that they could feel like I
wasn't pulling a fast one on them. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
So Jules kind of going along with that question, do
you know if Cindy still lives in Hushtown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yes, yes, she still lives here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
And Casey, what about you. Has Cindy reached out to
you since the podcast aired or have you tried to
reach out to her?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah? No, she has not reached out to me. I
know that she's blocked quite a few people on social
media that uh it would would? Okay, let me touch
on that. We don't want that. I mean, do what
you want to do, but I don't want to be
responsible for for none of that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
No vigilantes, please, please.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Be none of that. And I know sometimes like we
get fired up, and trust me, there are days whenever
I just want to go there, you know, but but
we can't do that. And so keep that in mind,
especially whenever you're a supporter of Jennifer and Adriana, keep
them top of mind. Please. Uh No, she has not

(01:07:41):
reached out to me. I don't expect her to. I
have asked her, uh via text, if she would speak
to me, and no response. And I have also asked
Joey if he would ask his mom if she would
speak to me, and he doesn't respond to them to

(01:08:02):
those texts. So I don't know what the deal is there.
I mean, there's all kinds of possibilities there that maybe
she has nothing to do with it, doesn't know anything,
has been in the dark all these years, and just
lives in La La Land. But then there's also the
fact of the matter that Jennifer's dad hurt a woman

(01:08:24):
in the house that day, on the day that Jennifer
and Adriana died. So I think that you should speak up.
I think that you shouldn't let the men in your
life talk for you, and especially your child. And yeah,
I agree with Jules reach out to us anytime. We're

(01:08:45):
actually pretty nice, reasonable people and all we want is
Jennifer and Adriana, and so I hope that she does
reach out to us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Now, Casey, oh sorry, Jules, I don't did you want
to say something?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I just want piggyback off real quick. Casey and
I get very fired up. If you heard the conversations
between us, we were very fired up, and rightfully. So
this is her life and I love her, and they've
accepted me as their own, as their family, and so
I'm very invested injustice and growing to love Jennifer and

(01:09:20):
Adriana through all these people that I absolutely love. But
we want zero people to go to their house. We
want zero people to message her. We want What we
want you to do is get God justice for Jennifer
and Adriana and keep the dialogue justice for Jennifer and Adriana.

(01:09:41):
If you continue to shift it Cindy, this, Joe this
all the time in anything we do, then that's just
going to be synonymous. That takes I think that takes
away a little bit of what we're trying to do.
So we just Yeah, that was my biggest fear in
doing this podcast was inciting vigilantes and having anybody get
her hurt. And I don't want anybody hurt. I don't

(01:10:02):
want the Bentans hurt. It might be hard to hear,
but we don't want them to get hurt. I don't
want anyone to ruin their life over any more lives ruined.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So I agree, that's not the goal, you know, I mean,
we have to look at what what is the goal?
The goal is always staying focused on the girls. The
goal is finding the girls and getting justice. So that's
not going to do anything. Being vigilantes, you know, that's
not going to do anything. If anything, it's just gonna

(01:10:35):
hurt more than it's going to help. And what do
we say, Jules, what do we say with they're hurting
the case exactly? So I know you already touched on
this a little bit, Casey, But what do you believe
Cindy's involvement is with the girl's disappearance?

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Like you personally, I think that she can't live and
die on the hill that she knows nothing about it.
I think that that's completely impossible. So that's what I believe.
I think that she was there. I think that she

(01:11:18):
knows what happened. I think she knows where they're at.
Whether it was her or not, I don't know. I
don't know the answer to that, but I know that
I know that she knows, and I think or I
suspect that's the reason for her silence. But yeah, I

(01:11:43):
mean as far as like involvement in the actual death,
I can't place blame on any of the three, just
due to uncertainty and all the loss.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
So interesting question, Casey. Is it true when Cindy Button
was young that she shot her father?

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
We talked about this the other day. There's either one
or two possibilities. Apparently. Again, I don't like to go
too much into what's not related to Jennifer and Adriana. Okay,
it does come into play as far as that person
being capable or able to emotionally and mentally get there

(01:12:42):
in their brain to do something to our girls. Okay,
so it does play into it, So I'll answer it.
I don't know. I feel like we need to look
into that a little bit more. I thought that that
was the truth, but we were talking about it recently,
and I think it was. Mom told me that potentially
it was her mom who shot her father, and there

(01:13:07):
was obviously some things going on in her house and
her childhood growing up that weren't great unfortunately that she
had to deal with. So, but I don't know all
the details of that. There's some truth her her father
was shot by someone, either her or her mom or
in their home. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Okay, so let's pivot a little bit. Let's talk legal.
Let's talk about the legal process. Casey, can you discuss
the recent DA meetings and kind of give us a
rundown on how you felt and maybe any information that
you're allowed to give us without you know, hurting the case.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah. Jules touched on it earlier that law enforcement like
they don't have to share anything with us. The DA
does have to the DA doesn't have to technically, I
guess take meetings with us. You know, I don't know
that he'd ever say that or that they would, because

(01:14:14):
I mean, we have a really we have a We
have a good team right now, the district attorneys and
the TBI and Robertson County and our family. I mean,
we're all good team. But as far as like what
they share, they don't have to share it with us,
and so I tread very carefully about what I do share.
As far as the DA meetings, we had our first

(01:14:34):
one this year with the new DA. He was interrum
DA for a little bit because the old one retired,
and by old I mean the one who has not
his age. He had been there for a while, but
he was interim d A and then he was I
guess elected in and our district attorneys over two counties,
and so there's kind of like our general DA, and

(01:14:56):
then there's a DA for Robertson County and so we
meet with the both of them. Our initial meeting with
District Attorney Nash, Robert Nash went very well. He told us,
you know, I hear you, and we I think we
can all agree. We all want the same thing we

(01:15:17):
want Jennifer and Adriana. Of course, like the family sitting here,
there's days where we would push justice aside, just to
know where Jennifer and Adriana are. Like if there's nothing
we can do about what we're being told about how
they died, and we just find Jennifer and Adriana, but
no one ever figures out how Like we're cool with that, right,
but the other people on the other side of the
table are like, but we want justice, and we do too,

(01:15:41):
but Jennifer and Adriana kind of trump justice. And the
DA sat down that day and he was like, he
was like, I'm with y'all, you know, like I want
to find Jennifer and Adriana, But right below that, he's like,
we want to prosecute, right, and we want to hold
that person accountable. So that's how our first meeting went.
Our first meeting was also into erupted by Joey, and

(01:16:07):
so we didn't get to spend as much time that day,
and then we had two more meetings after that where
we just kind of asked follow up questions about statutes
of limitation, understanding like what we had to work with
all this new information that was coming in from Joey
himself and Amy if you've kept up with some of

(01:16:29):
my posts and things that we shared in the podcast,
that they came forward and told us like we were
bringing that, you know, to law enforcement into the DA
and just kind of sharing with them, like here's what
they're telling us, Like you can't do anything with us,
Like we're just as confused with all these people commenting
like why can't they do anything about it? You know,
just we don't live in this world. We don't know.
So that was how like a couple of our meetings went.

(01:16:50):
And then the most recent one that we had just
like a couple of weeks ago, we sat down to
talk about, uh, prosecuting without a body, because that's our goal.
Uh if we can't, I if they're not going to
give us Jennifer and Adriana, then I mean we want

(01:17:13):
justice for them. Then I mean you lied about it.
You told us that they died that day, You tried
to tell us where they were located, and I know
we have questions about that too, but we still don't
have Jennifer and Adrana, So we're not going to forget
about the other piece of this puzzle. Like we want justice.
So that's what we sat down with them recently to do.

(01:17:35):
As far as what they can share with us, there's
not really I'm trying to think as far as like
what they've told us that we could share. Those those

(01:17:58):
conversations they pretty I don't want to say heated, but
there's a lot of emotion sitting around that table, and
so there's a lot of us telling them like it's
not enough, like we need you to do more, why
can't you? We don't understand, And then there's a lot

(01:18:20):
of their explaining to us, you know, here's the reason why,
here's what we need. Uh, here's what we have. And
so I know that leaving that last meeting that there's
some things that they're working on, some statements that they're gathering,
you know, to help us stay on track with hopefully

(01:18:43):
prosecuting with or without Jennifer and adrianas remains. I'll just
kind of put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Now, Jules, has anyone from law enforcement in Robertson County
or the TV I contacted you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
No? No, And I don't expect them to kind of
going back to it's a weird I I can understand
why they wouldn't want to talk to a podcaster. Absolutely,
they don't know me from Adam. They don't know our
ethics and what we stand on and and our whole

(01:19:20):
goal here. So as far as mini law enforcement view,
from what I've heard podcasters and investigated podcasters, we're seen
as the media, and there's a little bit of level
of distrust of you know, they'll share this information, they'll
share this lead first, we won't jen you and I
with fire eyes, media won't, Casey and I and the

(01:19:42):
audio house won't, So I understand. I understand. I did
meet them though and tell them that I was doing
this podcast, and one of them said he listens to
my other podcasts, So I was like, tune in, thank you.
But I know I can expect that they're not very

(01:20:04):
pleased with.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
But there's a misconception that we don't think they're doing anything,
and that's not true. I have respect for a lot
of the individuals working on the case right now, a
lot of respect for them, and it's that respect that
we won't share a lot of what we know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
I saw Robert's question, he was talking about the court date. Still,
as far as I know, there's no plea deal that
Joe is cut by the way, when with the DA,
he said, the reason that Joe was seen before nine
am on his court date because there was a plea
deal with his lawyer and DA, well, maybe he means

(01:20:49):
for the sentencing for that one year, like they lessened
his charges or whatever. So they already like talked about
that beforehand, so they were like, oh they see them first, Okay,
you must know more about the court system.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Robert slide into the DM.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
But yeah, to piggyback off what Jewel said, are I
mentioned it before? Our current team there, they're really good.
So we we sit across from the table in these
meetings and things get heated. There's a lot of motions involved.
There's a lot of Mom pushing her chair back deep size,
there's a lot of you know, just just a lot

(01:21:28):
of back and forth. And those meetings are very, uh,
I don't know, draining. So whenever I leave those like
a good like three days afterwards, I'm just dead to
the world. I just can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Gave learned not to call you right after because she
means decompressing enough to respect that, even though I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah, yeah, especially whenever, like if we hear things sometimes
that we don't want to hear, and like it's so frustrating,
you know, like common sense says that that's the last
place that they were. He said that he died, that
they died, Go get them, then, you know, like that
that's common sense, but that's just not how the law works.
And so again, like it's just something that we've never

(01:22:12):
been through. Hopefully none of you ever go through, you know,
but I don't know, like those we have a good
team and we do have respect for them, and they
are working on things. A lot of what's been done
in the last couple of years is due to those
people that are currently working on the case, and we're

(01:22:35):
still working on justice for the girls. But I did
leave the last meeting without their wishes, uh, telling them
that I will continue speaking with Joey because my goal

(01:22:56):
is Jennifer and Adriana. And the hard thing is is
that you're sitting across from people who talk to I
don't want to label Joey, but talk to these kinds
of people every day, or people who truly are guilty
of crime, and so they know what it looks like
whenever someone acts a certain way or talk to a

(01:23:17):
certain way and we're not used to that, and so
they have a concern about us and you know, us
being taken advantage of and going through these emotions over again,
and we just try to reassure them like we're not
you know, there's nothing that he could say, literally, nothing
that he could say that could disturb my peace, Like

(01:23:41):
it's been twenty years, Like we've got one goal to
Jennifer and Adriana, and so we try to reassure them that.
So I left that meeting and I was like, I'm
going to keep on because regardless if y'all can get
justice or not, I will never stop trying to get
Jennifer and Adriana. I mean, there's a chance we get
Jennifer and Adriana and y'all still don't get justice. So
that looks like I'm gonna gonna keep talking. And so

(01:24:02):
that's kind of where we left it with plans probably
to meet after the holidays, probably unless anything happens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
So Casey has the shared of Robertson County Sheriff Mike
Van Dyke. Has he called, email, texted anything within the
past year?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Have you heard it now?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
No? Was he president of the DA meetings by chance?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
No, Sheriff Van Dyke. He was, like I saw the
other day when the case was reclassified in twenty thirteen
to homicide. He was deputy sheriff at the time, stood
right next So he's been in our case, aware of it,
and it's one of their biggest cold cases that they have.

(01:24:48):
You know, he's been part of it for all this time,
and so it's been kind of odd not to get
that response from uh, someone who has that stature and that,
you know, the ability that he has as that level
of law enforcement official in Roberson County where Jennifer and
Adriana disappeared from, like I kind of expected, but also

(01:25:14):
like we could reach out to him too. I will
say that whenever I picked up the case in twenty
twenty one, I met with our we're going to detectives
back here. But whenever I met with Detective Jones, who
was our detective at the time, he did pop in
briefly to say, you know, I shake a hand, meet

(01:25:36):
just because we had never met with me, kind of
representing the family that that was really our only interaction,
but nothing in the past year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Now, now let's talk about the search of the property
really quickly. Do you know exactly how extensive those searches
were of the property, the Button property.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I think to like because we covered all that in
the podcast, but specifically since the information that j always
provided with too law enforcement about the girls not being
alive on their property, have they searched their since I

(01:26:28):
guess that would be my one the question that we
need to know outside of just listening to the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
I'm going to add in more to that, but I
will come. I will circle back there. In the podcast,
we shared the emails that Amy and Joey and the
communication that we had with them, and the locations that
were given that are in Robertson County. For Jennifer Adrianas remains,
Do I know how extensively those have been searched? I

(01:26:58):
feel like I do. There's a law enforcement doesn't share
with us, or I feel like they feel like the
more that we know, the more things can get out
and become public and that in turn hurts their case
or like the integrity of their case right which I
can understand. I know that they have been out to

(01:27:19):
that property. I think in our last DA meeting that
they said like, I can't remember for sure, So if
you are watching, don't be mad at me, but like
nine or eleven times or something like that. So they
had went out there a time. The first couple of
times that they went out there, in my opinion, it
was short periods of time. I mean we were there
for the first two I felt like to my knowledge,

(01:27:42):
and I mean it was just like hour, like a
couple hours, you know. It's not like these like days
long foot searches whenever I don't know, whenever you watch
true crime on TV and they say that's where they
are and they like set up lights in the middle
of the night and they just don't stop until they
find them. It wasn't like that. I understand that have
to be strategic. It's been twenty years. You know, all

(01:28:04):
cases are different. Okay, so I'm like layering in some
like Devil's Advocate type stuff. But so do I know
how much that property has been searched? Yeah, I know
they took cadaver dogs out there. I know that that
there was lots of digging. I know that GPR equipment

(01:28:28):
was used. I know some people have asked that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
This is not the property, this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Is not the Benton property. No, this is the location
that that was given to us. Earlier this year for
them to go and search.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Twenty within us a calendar year. This is what has been.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, that's yeah. And then our family has had some
searches this year too close and nearby to that property.
We live in a small town or in a small area,
so there's lots of talk and lots of rumor. I mean,
we did not do like an extensive search. I mean
it was like four of us going out there with

(01:29:11):
like a shovel, you know, and so also a very
emotional draining day. You know. We didn't do any like
extensive digging or tear up anything. And then the Benton
property and how extensively it was searched, especially after this
information has come out, I can't get on board with it.

(01:29:33):
Quite honestly, I don't understand. I've even given our law
enforcement team and our district attorney's team this exact statement.
You know, if my husband were to die at my home,
you know, but I told you that it was somewhere
else to go. Look somewhere else, Like, would y'all seriously

(01:29:56):
not look here?

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
It doesn't make sense, And I can't make it make sense.
It doesn't make sense to me, And so to what extent.
Has the Benton property been searched since Joey has come
forth with this information and admission whatever you want to
call it to what he's admitting to, The ANSWER's none.

(01:30:19):
Now have they been there, Yeah, they've been there since
he's come forward with this information, not at his father's
raid for his charges, but since then in relation to
our case, Yes, they've been there. Do I think it's enough?
The answers, no, Do they know that? I think it's
not enough. Yeah, And I hope that they do something

(01:30:40):
about that because I just it doesn't make sense. There's
literally no one here in the comments my mom, I
saw you comment a second ago, Jules Jen Literally anyone
who can sit in front of me like make it
make sense. It doesn't make sense. You can't say someone
that you know someone died, you know what happened to him,
know where they're at, but we don't come search there

(01:31:02):
for any type of evidence. It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
So we're almost done with the questions, and then I want,
like the preset questions, I have one more for you, Casey,
and it's regarding Amy Button. So I know she wasn't
talked about much in the season on the podcast, but
She's become a pretty prominent name since the release, and
I know that her arrest records have kind of come

(01:31:31):
to light. So Casey, can you touch on what you
know about Amy Button and her recent activities.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Will say, like I said before a few different times,
I like to keep everything centered around Jennifer and Adriana.
I'm not sure how much Amy has had involvement. However,
she inserted herself and made herself involved this year in
our case whenever she communicated with me and my mom

(01:32:02):
and so yes, I will talk about this. She has
two warrants out for her rest currently and those are
violation warrants, violation of probation. But as far as her
involvement with Jennifer Adriana, I mean, she wasn't living there
at the time that Jennifer and Adriana disappeared or were murdered.

(01:32:27):
Did she have access to the house maybe, you know,
does she know what happened? I'm not sure. I'm not
sure that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
I try to put myself in the three Joe, Cindy
and Joey's position, which is very difficult to do, but
I try and do that and think, like, who all
would I tell you know, if something like this went down,
and I feel like you would obviously try to keep
it as small as possible. So I'm not sure that
Amy knows she could, but she does have a couple

(01:33:00):
of warrants out for her rest, unrelated to Jennifer and Adriana,
but I mean she comes with her own set of
personal problems and charges and things that you can look into.
Some of them were related to the kidnapping I mentioned
earlier with Joe Binton a couple of years back, related

(01:33:22):
to a family member, but again, I mean that's their
own personal personal stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
So Jules, yes, ma'am. What's next for the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
We're going to hopefully keep the story in front of
as many eyes and ears as as we can. So
we're not going we're not going anywhere. We're doing hushtail
unzipped where We're going to bring in a bunch of
professionals psychologists, psychiatrists, UH, forensic experts and dissect this case

(01:34:01):
and try to see it from as many different angles
as we can and learn from people who know more,
you know, lawyers, prosecutors who know more than we do
in this area. So I think one thing that a
lot of people tend to do is stop learning. So
we don't know everything. We don't even know a little

(01:34:25):
piece of everything we could know yet, So we're going
to go reach out to people who do know, and
hopefully we can try to piece it all together and
keep it, keep it out there, and that will still
be on wherever you get your podcast missing in hashtown,
that'll still populate on that for you. There perfect, and

(01:34:46):
we're not going anywhere. I mean, this is I live
here so and they're my family. Now some of the bravest,
most amazing people have ever been honored to know. So
I'm a lifer. I'm in it, and we are continuing
to show up and speak to whoever will have us.

(01:35:07):
We'll hold a sign wherever we can hold a sign.
So if you're local and you see us, come say hi,
come talk to us. We like to know that we're
not alone when we're out there in the community is
growing stronger and they're seeing how asinine it is that
this case is still unsolved.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Yes, so before I'm going to give about, we have
a little bit more time here, So I want to
open the floor for at least ten to fifteen minutes
and cover some of the questions that have been in
the chats. I know we covered a few of them,
but I want to give an opportunity to you know,
Casey and Jewels, for you to answer some of these questions.

(01:35:47):
But before we do that, because then we'll wrap up
this the live stream, Jewels really quickly. Obviously, you've touched
a little bit about what's going on with mature seasons
of missing in Hushtown. We talked about that, but you
have a lot of projects, a lot of things happening
as well, because not only are you helping with the

(01:36:09):
Wicks case, but you're an advocate and you have a
lot of other projects happening, and I just want to
take just a couple of seconds here to talk about
some of the other projects that you're working on. I
think it's really important so people know what else you're doing.
Obviously I'm a part of a lot of those projects.
I already know what it is, but I want to,

(01:36:30):
you know, leave it open for everyone else who's tuning
in tonight, so they know where else to find you
and how else we're working on, you know, advocacy efforts,
because I think it's so important. We're not especially you Jewles,
We're not typical true crime podcasters were different because we're
obviously the heart of what we do is advocacy. It's

(01:36:51):
the families, it's giving the victims a voice. So Jewels,
I'm going to give you the floor for a minute,
tell me and tell everyone that's tuning in and what
else you have going on real quick. And then Casey,
I'm going to give you an opportunity to kind of
wrap it up and what you're working on and what
else you know, how else people can find you for
those that are tuning in on different platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
So Jen Rivera is my co founder business partner with
Fires Media, and together we are on the board for
the victim advocacy nonprofit called Shores of Strength, and she
is the founder and the president and I'm the vice president.
And it's victim centered and victim focused. So we aim

(01:37:36):
to fundraise to get back to families and give them resources.
Families that find themselves in this position, you know, it's
the unknown, unchartable in trauma and tragedy. What do you do?
Where do you go? We'd like to step up and
help you and give you resources and create any kind
of media that we can do for you and help

(01:37:57):
you market and get it out there, and that leads
us to our first production, nonprofit like fundraising production. It's
a podcaster's give back and the idea was that I
would get a bunch of my friends, women in true
crime podcasting, and we would all tell a story, a
case about someone's loved one who should be here this

(01:38:19):
holiday season. And so this podcast comes out, we tell
multiple cases. There are multiple podcasters, a lot of them
are joining us right now who donated their time and
their skills and their efforts to this project. November twenty ninth.
It's called the Homicide Tree, and so in Robertson County,

(01:38:39):
in the library Stokes Brown Public Library, there is a
homicide tree that the District Attorney's office does. I think
it's called for Wings of Hope of victim advocacy. That
gave me the idea because on this tree are ornaments
of all these victims of homicide and it's and it's
in the library and New pass Fight is right in
front of the kids section. So these are all people

(01:39:00):
that should be home for the holiday. So that comes
out November twenty ninth, everywhere you get your podcasts, and
it's a fundraiser. We're raising money for Shores of Strength.
One hundred percent of any penny earned and donated through
ad revenue through donations goes right back to victims in
their families and our efforts. And we have Missing and

(01:39:22):
Hashtown season two. We're working on the podcast and we're
also doing a documentary film for that one as well,
and that kind of wraps it up. We just it's
always moving. We're never not working on some type of
advocacy in casework, and we're community building to try to

(01:39:44):
push ethics since true crime and I'm learning too, I've
learned the hard way. But yeah, hopefully you guys will
tune into the Homicide Tree and if you feel led
to donate, we have those links on all of our
pages as well. I'm on Instagram at your host Jeels,
True Common Headlines is me on Facebook and then on

(01:40:05):
YouTube at your host Jewels.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Awesome. Thanks for that, Jewels, and Casey, I'm going to
give you the floor for a second. Can you just
let everyone know where they can find you if they're
not like, if they're tuning in just on YouTube and
they're not following you on Facebook, where's the best places
that they can connect with you? And continue to follow
the case.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Yeah, so mostly I'm on Facebook. We have a good
following on there, good tractions for social media. But it's
connected to my Instagram. So our Facebook page is Justice
for Jennifer and Adriana Wis. You can message me on there.
I check it multiple times a day and respond almost immediately. Uh,

(01:40:51):
And our Instagram is Jennifer and Adriana Wix. So no
justice for just Jennifer and Adriana Wis. I have a TikTok,
but I'm not good at it. They just have the
story up there. And then Jeweles and I do a
lot of like collaborating and whatnot. So anytime she does
something like I'll share it online and vice versa. But
Facebook is probably like the best thing. I probably need

(01:41:13):
to do a lot more, just had our focus a
little a little bit in other places this year, you know.
So I will continue to push social media and set
up some different things, but yeah, Facebook is probably the
biggest one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Awesome. So let's give the last couple of minutes. Then
let's start answering some of the questions that are in
the comments. I know we have a ton. I don't
know if there was any that stood out to you
ladies that either Jewels or Casey that we didn't answer yet.
I'm going through some of them right now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Yeah, I've been going through them too. I'm gonna look
and see a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
We answered, yeah, well only because some of the questions
that haven't already been answered. And if you haven't got
a chance to watch the entire live, it will be
available to rewatch on YouTube and on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
We want all your theories, all your ideas. Have you
thought of this, have you contacted this? I see some
of you or have you contacted this. I'll tell you what.
If you know somebody who has a great reach and
could advocate, send them our way. Please. We need we
need bigger dogs. As far as I'm constantly reaching out

(01:42:37):
to producers who are so well known and know what
they're doing far more than than I do. We need
as many resources as as we can get, so you know,
you never know who you know or what you could
offer us. If you have any ideas, if you have
any connections, please reach out to us.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Heather Harshall asked, we answered one part of her question.
She just said, whenever y'all got those locations of where
there remains could be where y'all able to follow through
with a search of those And I answered that part.
But her second part of her question said, and do
you believe that their remains are on the bent And property?

(01:43:22):
The answer to that question is yes, that's a short answer.
I think that. I mean, there's obviously a possibility that
they could be literally anywhere else, but I think that

(01:43:43):
their protection of that property for so long and the
behaviors that we've seen just in my gut just tells me, yeah,
they're there. My mom believes the same thing. Someone asked,

(01:44:06):
can it be handled by outside law enforcement? Know where
the crime occurred is where the crime is handled. So
it's going to be handled by Robertson County and the TBI.
FBI can get involved if they're invited, but FBI has
like their own set of criteria, so a lot of
times it asked us to cross state lines or have

(01:44:30):
a federal crime attached to it. Befo're talking about Joe
and his charges earlier this year. We're getting dang close
to that, but its relation to our case, it's kind
of where that got iffy. And then I've also talked
to the FBI about how close Joey's story. Anyway, Exit
one twelve is not very far from Tennessee, Kentucky state line.

(01:44:51):
He was also working in Kentucky at the time that
the girls disappeared that day and went back there the
next day. So I have definitely talked to them about that,
and they were supposed to like look into it and
contact our TBI agent, and I never heard anything back.
Why is Cindy never questioned and can they do it now?

(01:45:12):
With Joey telling their deceased Cindy has been questioned, And
what I mean by questioned is talk to at her
own free will. So this is also, as far as
I know now, previously, like in the past, when the
girls first went missing, I'm sure she came in to
give statements. Maybe I don't know. Again, law enforcement doesn't

(01:45:34):
tell us much of anything, but in the comfort of
her own home right there with Joey sitting right next
to her. And again, I feel like if she was questioned,
depending on the part that she played in it, if
we're saying that she took a part in it, she

(01:45:54):
could potentially only know what she knows, and so there's
a possibility that she's telling a story that she's told
herself for twenty years and believes it. So they have
talked to her recently this year. We're getting into motive

(01:46:20):
have vanam Morgan Plumber said? Do you think she put
two and two together about what had happened to Adriana
and Cindy knew and took it upon herself. Possibly. There's
a lot of people who think that there was a
lot of animosity shared between Jennifer and Cindy that week,
with the living conditions and with the baby and the

(01:46:41):
crying and Joey pretending like Adriana's dad and her not
liking that. You know, do I think that alone makes
her capable. I don't know that. I do think that
people get into things too far sometimes. I think it's
a possibility. Tammy Taylor, she's like a really good, big

(01:47:09):
supporter for Jennifer and Adana's page. With her being a nurse,
she probably was able to get some type of drugs
or something to knock them off. I've heard this before.
Apparently there's like some kind of logs or something that
people have to log anytime that they do take medicines
out for whatever reason. But there's something I can't remember
what they're exactly called, but they're like displaced meds or

(01:47:31):
drugs or whatever like that discarded and so someone brought
that to my attention. But I think those records are
probably far gone by now. If her actual employment records
are far gone, those probably are two. Am I currently

(01:47:53):
working to change the limitation laws on missing persons cases. Yes,
If any other families that are watching this, I'm missing
loved ones. I'll just put this out there. My family
doesn't want your family to be going through what we're
going through now. It's pretty awful the fact that someone

(01:48:13):
can hold onto a life for so long and conceal
crime and get away with it. So yes, we are
trying to do that. We've reached out to representative at
Kumar and I know some new people were just elected
in and I have not reached out to them, but
he was re elected. As far as like the local level,
Jules and I and Billy spent some time in cross

(01:48:34):
Plains with some of their people that were running to
get elected and made some networking or made some relationships there.
And as far as Springfield, we did the same thing there,
tried to reach out to some of them and we
will continue to do that and that'll be something that
we push because it needs to be done. It's just

(01:48:58):
going to keep happening to others. Zach Patterson, he always
has really good questions. He and his sister gave dig
locations or places bodies were supposed to be at. How
was that not had anything to do with the charges?
I mean, I guess just the fact that they were

(01:49:18):
unsuccessful in finding Jennifer and Adriana. So to us, to
the world, and to law enforcement, it just looks like
he lied. To me, it looks like a diversion were
potentially like leading away from their property or where possibly
we were getting close to. Robert Dozer, also a good supporter.

(01:49:49):
Do you happen to know if there was a forensics
team involved in this case and was their home ever searched?
Then their home had a walk through done of it.
This was the small brick home that Jennifer and a
Dana disappeared from. Was it forensically tested or like luminol
like you see in movies or anything. I don't believe so. No.

(01:50:11):
The log cabin that they built right next door, I
know that law enforcement according to them, I have not
seen any supplement or reports or anything like that. Because
we don't have access. There were like some columns underneath
the Benton's home, concrete columns that had been checked the
perimeter foundation underneath the walls of the house that was
six feet deep that you heard about in our podcast

(01:50:31):
not Checked. Can't check it without getting a warrant, which
we also can't get. But I do know Robert that
there was some kind of like forensic type stuff done
potentially with the barn, the party barn, But at the
time that that was done, it was well after the
party barn had been moved from their property over to

(01:50:55):
another family member's property around the corner on a different
road and completely stripped down to the studs and so
everything I've been ripped out of it. So what good
that did? I'm not sure. I think it was unsuccessful though.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Well, what happened if cadaver dogs accidentally got lost on
their property? It's interesting because.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
I didn't get that at first.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
I was like, I've thought, what would happen if Julie
got lost them cadaver dogs. It's interesting because Robertson County
doesn't have their own cadaver dogs. To my knowledge, they
still don't, is that correct? So they have to bring
them from the other agencies. I believe in Damson County

(01:51:49):
we have a connection with Cadaver Dogs Volunteer Group, a
nonprofit that has offered. But then you also have to
understand too that they could be dismissed by law enforcement
because they're not trained in the same ways according to
law enforcement. And the Netflix documentary about Jennifer and Adriana Wicks,

(01:52:21):
I would love to So we're doing a documentary on
Bethany Markowski the making of the podcast, and that will
go to hopefully go to film festivals and then be
picked up for distribution. That will be after the audio
podcast is out. We're what we're doing is we're recording

(01:52:41):
everything behind the scenes as we're doing it, and I
hope by that time we'll be able to move forward
and get the Wicks story out because that'll help us
create changes in the laws.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
We can answer a couple more questions we have about well,
we could do maybe two more questions Casey and Jewles,
if you want to describe.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Two more and then we can wrap it up solvedcase
dot org. April, will you send me a message on
Instagram or Facebook about that again so that I can
look into that too, like we want to source everybody
to help us with this.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Thank you. I feel like people always ask this question.
Zach Patterson asked it, but we get it quite a lot.
What connection do the Bentons have with the Robertson County
Sheriff's Department. Uh. I think that it's really easy, especially
with the podcast, the way things were handled in our case,
the firing of our first officer on the case, the

(01:53:43):
reporting officer, with the search being called off that we
had set up for their grandparents' property, With all of
these things, it's it's hard not to go that direction.
We're not conspiracy theorists here, we are. I'm a realist.
My first ball is always yeah, But it's very difficult

(01:54:07):
to ignore it, especially with even like still to this day,
like the court things that were in the court hearings,
you know, not being able to see, you know, what's
happening in there, with him being appointed, his this particular
attorney he was appointed, you know, like, there's a lot
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Can you go into that? Do you feel comfortable going
into that real quick?

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Yeah, I don't mind. His attorney that he was appointed
is one of if you're not from our area, his
attorney is a prominent attorneys you know, very well known here,
does pretty well apparently have a good reputation for defending
his clients well and he u I should. It feels

(01:54:51):
awful to say this. It's so hard to ignore it.
His attorney was, how do you say, previous partner with
the judge who heard Joe's case. It's so difficult for
me to say that. It make it make sense. But again,

(01:55:11):
keep in mind, we live in a very small town,
which Springfield isn't as small as cross Planes. Okay, cross planes.
I don't remember the population. You looked up Jewels, but
like back then it was like nothing. Springfield's got a
lot more people in it, especially now, and so there's
a lot of conflict of interests doing business. Okay, there's
there's not a lot of people in those positions, so

(01:55:33):
you can understand it, but y'all also can't understand it. Yeah,
especially on your biggest cold case.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
How do you Joe. We'll react to the podcast when
he gets out in March. I'm gonna be really honest.
I don't know how they're Jessa, Frank Fenton is up here,
I don't know. I don't know the state of He's
he's all. He doesn't look good. Every time I see him,
he looks worse healthwise. I don't know how he's going

(01:56:07):
to react. My hope and my prayer for his family
that includes all of the Benton's, immediate and extended, is
that he doesn't react in a violent way. I don't
want anybody else to get hurt or become.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
The next.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Victim allegedly. So I don't know. Podcasts are so more
new age. They're still kind of new so who knows,
But it's getting harder to ignore, which was our goal.
But I will say that we do have cameras up
on our property now, and I do we lock our
doors just in case, because you don't know what you

(01:56:46):
don't know? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
I'm trying to look through all of these. I think
I'm almost to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Yeah, I said, you have to think how close the
Bentons lived to the sheriff that was in office at
the time. So the Benton's, actually Joseph Frank Benton, grew
up with Bollinger, the sheriff at the time, as well,
so they actually knew each other from childhood. They were
all in the same community and they all knew each
other Billinger has since passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Amber Nicole asked, has Amy been questioned? Yes, she has
been to what extent? I don't know. I think just
being there. They kind of all like live together and
are all like one big team per se. So I

(01:57:44):
don't know if she was like questioned alone or what,
but I think she has talked with law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
All right, Any other questions, ladies that you want to
popping out to you. I know there's so many questions,
so We're trying to scroll through all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
I'll go back through and answer some to that if
I do miss them. If there's any good questions, I'll
go back. I wish we could like pin the questions, y.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
I just I get overwhelmed quite often when I see
all this support for the girls. Thank you everybody for
being here, for listening. I know we sign off our
podcast all the time. You rented. You're loved and you
deserve to be here because you do, and the fact
that you're here, you're choosing to give your time to
these girls and this family. It's not lost on us.

(01:58:38):
So we feel that we're growing and we're getting louder,
and that's because of you, guys. So thank you thank you,
thank you for joining us, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
You, yes, thank you all so much for being here.
I'm going to wrap it up for today's live stream.
Thank you, Casey, thank you Jules, and make sure you
follow along. Follow along for Casey's journey as well as
Jewels and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Thank you, John, you care, You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Bye everyone, mhm

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Hm hm

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