Appalachian Legends and Folklore

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello friends, Hello, Hello once again friends. Steve Stockton here
with you on Everything out There at the Clyde Lewis
Ground zero Radio Network. Tonight we're going to be talking
some more about the folklore and legends of Appalachia, the
folklore and legends of them Lar Hills as it is. Well,

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you know, there's just something special about the folklore and
old legends that come out of the Appalachian Mountains, places
where the mist hangs thick over those old hills and hollers,
and it seems like every twist and bend in the
trails has a story or two waiting to be told. Now,
these tails have been passed down for generations, from grand
Pappy to grandchild, spun around crackling fires as the knightingcroaches

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and shadows play on the cabin walls. Take Old Motley Varden,
for instance, if he was to ask just about any
young and around departs in Cage's cove, they'd likely cross
their arms tight and get a bit of a shiver.
Molly was said to be a witch woman who lived
deep in the woods in the days before the Revolutionary
war kept herself mostly weaving her herbal spells and folk magic,

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but every so often folks would glimpse her flitting between
the trees, draped in rags, her long gray hair flying
wild behind her. Some said she could transform into animals
at will, a sly fox, a cunning deer, or maybe
even a great horn owl with eyes like smollering coals.

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Then there was the time old Ezekiel Parker went out
hunting in the hills, never came home. Three days later,
some folks found his rifle leaning against an oak, no
other sign of him. His wife, Maybell was beside herself.
She begged and pleaded with a local wise woman to
find out what happened to her Ezekiel. Well, the wise

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woman did some root work and divination, burning sacred herbs
and chanting over the ashes, and you'll never believe what
she saw. It was old Molly Warden, dancing naked under
the full moon. Ashes spelled out that she turned poor
Ezekiel into a great book, then hunted him down for
his heart. Gave Maybell Parker nightmares for years after that,

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it did. Now you might be wondering if any of
these old yarns hold a leak of truth. Well, I reckon.
Some of them got their start from something real, embellished
over the decades into a right proper legend, like the
tale of the famine year back in the seventeen eighties
after the Revolution. Seems the winners were powerful, harsh, and

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come to that spring, folks were plumb out of food.
Things got so bad some are eating bark and roots
just to survive. But that's when the cherokey showed up
in the hollers, laid with bushels of corn, jerky and
nuts to share with the settlers until the crops could
grow again, an act of generosity and human kindness. The

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state of the mountain folks stories for generation. And there's
the legends of the Osborne Boogers, impish mischievous critters said
to haunt the woods West Virginia. Half man, half myth.
They were known for playing tricks on unsuspecting hunters and campers,
knocking over cook pots, scattering gear, making eerie whistling noise

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to sue the trees to lead folks astray. Some even
claimed the bogers can mimic human voices to lure children
into the woods. But these creatures, they stayed small and
kept their distance, just wanted to bedevil and confound the
occasional intruder not causing any real harm. Likely those tales
sprouted from Daddy. He's trying to keep their younguns close

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and safe from the very real dangers of the wilderness.
And who could forget the mournful legend of the pattern
pipe bear. This massive shaggy beast was said to roam
the hills of eastern Kentucky after the Civil War. Its
name came from distinctive diamond shapes in its tan fur.
Think of a rattlesnake pattern, but on bear hide. If

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you happen to spy that spot at hide through the brush,
or was you best turn around and hot foot at
the other we as fast as you could. The pattern
pipe bear could run silent and swift as the deer
through the undergrowth, tracking its prey for miles without rest,
and his favorite meals why human beings? Of course, little
wonder Those tall tales discouraged lone ramblers and reassured Ma

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and Pow that their young uns were safer playing close
to home. Seems like every Apalachian states got their own
twist on the old folk tales. Too. Over in Virginia,
there's a legend of the Ragged Mountain Curse. As the
story goes, a settler woman named Annie Wilburn had a
falling out with a local Cherokee healer and root worker. Well,

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this healer woman took umbrage with Annie's prideful ways and
hurled a mighty curse upon her. And from then on,
any building, house or cabin that Annie and her kin
dwelled in would fall into disrepair, pray to rot and ruin.
Sure enough, Annie lost home after home to fire, termites,
you name it. Even after she passed, the curse followed

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her children and grandchildren down through the years. Some say
it's still hold strong today, though most just dismissed as
superstitious clap trap. Of course, there's no Appalachian folktale more
famous than the legend of the Wampus cat. This fears
of monsters said that hanked the forest and hills of
East Tennessee and western North Carolina. Half cougar, half demon,

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standing as tall as a man, with curved fangs and
razor sharp claws. Its piercing screams can curdle the blood
of brave souls and reckless fools who dare a wonder
too far off the beaten trail come nightfall. Why, even
seeing this terrifying beast grotesque tracks in the mud is
enough to send a body holland straight back to the
safety of their cabin. Old timer's around those parts used

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to say the best way to keep the wampus cat
at bay was keep a bottle of brand new pennies
under your fORCH Seems like those clinking coins could ward
off its evil presents, at least sold, the legend claims. Now,
whether you put any stock in these old tales or not,
there's no denying they're a vital part of the Appalachian
history and culture. The folkloret grew up right alongside those ancient,

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sprawling mountains themselves. These legends gave our ancestors away to
explain the mysteries of the wild world around them. More importantly,
they provided lessons in wisdom passed from one generation to
the next through the power of storytelling. Conclusion, the legends
and folklore of Appalachia are as rich and captivating as

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the ancient mountains themselves. From tales of witches and beasts,
boogers hates, to accounts of generosity and curses. These stories
have been a vital part of the region's culture for centuries.
While some may dismiss them as mere superstition or folk tales,
there's no denying the visceral power they hold. These legends

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gave our ancestors a way to make sense of the
mysteries around them and pass on hard won wisdom to
future generations. Whether rooted in truth or sprung from pure imagination,
they provided life lessons cloaked in metaphor and narrative. Even today,
the folklore endures and still has the ability to ignite

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our sense of wonder and tingle our spines. The accounts
of strange noises in the night or unnatural creatures haunting
the hollers taps into a primal part of ourselves, that
feeling of being a small, vulnerable human navigating the vast,
untamed world. So go ahead and scoff at the stories
of the wampus Cat or the pattern pipe bear if

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you must. But for those of us steeped in Appalachian heritage,
these legends will forever hold power. Theyre whispers and shadows,
lurk in the twilight spaces between the realistic and supernatural.
Truth and myth. Just like the mysts that cling to
those ancient hills, these folk tales have seeped into the
very essence of the Mountain people over hundreds of years.

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So when you're out there, keep on air cocked for
the mournful cries drifting through the hollers after sundown. Walk softly,
and keep an eye out for strange flickering lights between
the trees. Bring these old Appalachian hills and hollers secrets
still linger from centuries gone by. Settle deep into the
ridges and valleys like mysteries, awaiting anyone brave enough or

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foolish enough to take the trail less traveled and these whiles.
Hello friends, so once again, welcome back to everything out there.
I'm your host, Steve Stockton here on the Clyde Lewis
Ground zero Radio Network, and tonight I'm going to bring
a friend and come padre in here another East Tennessee

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and Catheda cat Gray Cathita, come on in. How you
doing Hey?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Doing pretty good?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm doing pretty good.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
How are you doing good? You know you were on
my first show, and this, if I release it in order,
this is number thirty. So it's it's can you believe
it's been thirty weeks already since we did that one.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I've had a lot of great shows and a lot
of great content, so.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, and a lot more to come. Plus, you know,
as I announced the other day, Nicole and I are
having a baby, and she's twenty weeks into that. We're
at the halfway point.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's very excited. I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Pepe boy. Oh, I can't wait. And I always wanted
a son and have one and saw that we did
the twenty week ultrasound and he's going to be a
big boy. Yep. I was kidding there. I was like,
don't worry about it won't be any different than pushing
out like a two liter coke bottle.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
And she's like, yeah, she might not like you very
much for a time being after that.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Told her he's gonna be there in labor and she's
going like, you get away from me. You did this
to me. But we're both excited. We're both real. She'd
always want a son to she never had any kids,
never been married or anything. So exciting times for both those.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Congratulations, thank you, thank you, And.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
A lot of big changes going on in my world
among the Missing that's being rebranded the Tales Untold. Going
to do narration over there, just to pure narration channel,
mostly fiction. I'll do some nonfiction I'm gonna do like
creepypastas and no Sleep stuff. Maybe some SCP. Got a
weird Western that I'm writing that I'm going to narrate

(11:07):
over there, maybe some regular westerns to both fiction and
nonfiction that's in the public domain. And I have a
big time so and then all the missing person stuff
is over on Missing Persons and Mysteries now getting close
to three hundred thousand subscribers over there, So lots of
stuff going on. And then this show just keeps on

(11:27):
keeping on you. What do you got going on? I
know you've got that ghostlre channel that you're working on.
Now you did not have that. You may have had
the idea when I grow on the first episode, but
it's it's about to come to fruition. Tell the listeners
what that's all about.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, I like the name the title of ghost lur
and I wanted a channel cab ghost Lore, and I thought, well,
I'd better go ahead and get that reserve that before
someone else thinks of that. Now there is a game
called ghost lre but in my point of my side

(12:05):
of things is ghost the paranormal and supernatural world covers
a large variety of topics.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You know, it kind of telegraphs what it's about, but
still it leaves it open up that you're not pigeonholed
anything that's a ghost and lore. I mean, that's that
does cover a lot of ground. That's a good name,
by the way, catchy, short, easy to remember.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, from superstitions, haunted houses, ghost objects, newspaper articles, the missing,
where socics helped police.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, all kinds of stuff. And see that was our
pigeonholed myself with among the missing. And don't get me wrong,
I love covering those missing person cases and keeping their
names and faces out there. That's just what I do.
But you know, at least I'm missing persons mysteries. The
mysteries part of that name. That can cover a whole
lot of ground.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Doing some true crime over there too. I just released
a documentary I did about the smiley face killer theory,
and I don't know, it's it's strange, but yeah, a
lot of a lot of good content coming up over
there and everywhere else too. So just you've always been
into the ghosts and haunted stuff and things like that.

(13:23):
So that's most lore is just it's an extension of you.
It's a YouTube channel that's an extension of you and
what you're into and what you enjoy.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, I have several pages ideas for shows and things
I want to cover, you know, kind of ticking off slowly,
but you know, I'm feeling things out, making my.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Way through baby steps, baby steps. I've had baby brain lately.
So everything you should see our house, it looks like
the baby warehouse. We've got kids already, got more clothes
than I do, and everything you can think of baby
And then we're going to have people that ask us

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to do a baby registry. So I'm going to send
you that link this weekend. We'll get that out there.
It's on Amazon. And we went kind of a while like, oh,
the baby like this, the baby like that, Oh look
at this, look at that, and just you know, no
obligation to anybody, but if you want to send something

(14:28):
for the baby, we have a name for him, but
we're not going to release the name until he's born
and then we'll introduce him to the world. And the
thought behind that it's a very cool, very unusual, very
unique name. It has literary origins, and I've never heard
of anybody just out in the wild like that named that,

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and it didn't want to tell the name and then
have somebody with a closer due date say I like
that name too, I'm going to take it first. So
kind of like you registering ghost lored where somebody else could,
We're going to keep the baby name in the pocket
until until he's born, and then we'll introduce him.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I thought, well, there, snagget before we lose it. There,
you know, I'm glad I locked that one in.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, that would be a good one. That'll go for it. Now,
are you going to just narrate stuff or are you going
to do like documentary style stuff. You're gonna have guests
and what? What kind of plans have you got all
the above?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
If anybody wants to come on and tell a story
or co host or co narrate a year, more than
welcome to of course.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh I've got some recommendations for Donnie Laws. Do you
know him? Do you follow him over? Yeah? He'd have
guy that I had on Jared King. Yeah, he's he's
a good fella and about as Appalachian as you can get.
He has those uh what he calls his ken folk

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shows where he has, you know, just a chat with
folks and stuff. And he's got some good stories. He's
big into, like the uh the Granny witch type stuff
to Appalachi and the Mountain Witches. He has a lot
of stories like that, a lot of ghost stories and
folklore and stuff. He'd make a great guest for you.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I did see the thumbnail for some Granny Witch stories
by him, but you know, I see so much stuff.
I would have to watch it again to see if
i'd watched it to start with.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I may have, But I mean, what's the guy named
Tony Merkle? I think that does in Maryville? That's not
too far from you there. So I was supposed to
stop by and see him when I thought I was
driving to New England, but I ended up flying something.
He's gonna take me to lunch. But he's got a
good show over there. The Confessionals, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
As it's the Confessionals or the Confessionalists that yeah, and
then uhana do you know him? He moves back? Who
is it again?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Michael Lachiana. He's one of Cisco's friends in fact, he'll
be joining us this coming Monday night. If you're people
are listening to this Sunday this Sunday night, which is
today twenty six I can't do mathem ahead. This will
air Sunday the twenty eighth of April, and then Monday

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the twenty ninth, he'll be on with Cisco and I
Journey through the Gate Paranormal Portal podcast, and he gets
some really good EVPs and things, and he's got a
show on Amazon Prime Video I think it is. It's
called was it like Haunted History or History's Haunts or
something like that. And he lives part time in Tennessee.
He lives up either in or near Mountain City, where

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I lived for a little while back in the day
that was too far out in the mountains. Me.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm not that familiar with the name, but maybe I
know some of his works. But yeah, it's definitely something
we'll write down and keep in mind. I want to
check that one out.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
He has the Herritage Hunters Society and his film production
side of the Locus Gap Productions, but I think that's
all still current. But yeah, he does some good stuff.
So I can help you find all kinds of guests

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in that regard, I've got people I can refer to you.
I was on the night before last, or was it
last night his last night? I was on the radio
in Sonora, California, And that was a lot of fun
to talked to missing in Yosemite and Mount Shasta and
things like that. And I didn't know it was going

(18:50):
to be a live show. I thought they pre recorded
like this. And then and then the guy that set
it up, Buddy Ron Patton, who's Clyde Lewis's executive producer,
I had him. He said, let me give Olaf Phillips
as the host, and he said, let me give all

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of your phone number. And I thought he's just gonna
call me, and somebody he called, and I heard music play,
and kind of like when I've been on coast to
coast and stuff. You call in and you just sit
there and you listen to the music and stuff, and
then when they intro you, then your life you know,
two million people or whatever. So it was kind of
like that. But it's a lot of fun. Like I said,

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he had a couple other people on there with him,
but we were all over the road that we talked
missing people and Bigfoot and UFOs and ghosts and paranormal
stuff and the Zodiac Killer and all the weird stuff
going on, and that happened in Laurel Canyon back in
the sixties. And it's a fun show. A two hours

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went by quick.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
So is it the show is basically like George or
Art Bells.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, it's all in show. Yeah it's uh. I think
it's the I know the second hour. They call it
the Enigma Hour, but I don't. But it was a
two hour show, so I don't. Sorry, if you're listening,
let's see the Enigma Hour. But anyway, it was a

(20:27):
two hour radio show, and that they said the second
happens the Enigma Hour, so we talked all this stuff
and I don't see anyway. It was all off Phillips here.
They release it in prodcast podcast form two. But good stuff.
Check out the Enigma Hour. Now. He used to be

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Clyde's executive producer back I think in the early two
thousands or something, so it's been a good experience being
on the ground zero radio network of Clyde. I used
to see him around Portland. I don't know if he
still doesn't. Nobody used to ride the bus. And then
I've been on his show a couple of times in

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the studio with him there in Portland. So I've been
a guest on there several times too, and Ron knows
he can count on me. If they need a specific guest,
I can usually I know somebody I can recommend him.
If it's something I know enough about it, I'll go
on and talk. But to be like Steve, you know
my guests canceled for night. Do you know anybody that

(21:30):
knows about X Y Z? And I'm like, yeah, I've
got a guy. Let me make a couple of messages
here and I'll get back to you, and I can
usually find him somebody on short notice. And then they
were talking about branching out and people that they'd like
to have have a show on the network, and my
name came up and they both like me, and here
I am thirty episodes later. Love it. Great, great group

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of guys.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well you've had a how strangeness radio station? You have
this one of course, now everything out there and you're
gonna be behind another one coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit about that
radio one FA dot com. It's a real internet streaming
radio station. It's licensed. You know, we got the ASCAP
and BMI and all that covered Lee, g Lee, Gilfoy
from First War Audio and I are doing that. That's
where the radio one FA comes from. And yeah, he's

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been on here. He was on with Joe Ann Yoda
Girl thirteen. They came on and I gave each of
them an hour to tell spook stories and things and
experiences that they had happened. That was a lot of fun.
I need to have both of them back, yeah, I like.
But yeah, we're gonna play eighties, mostly eighties stuff that's

(22:52):
like my favorite decade for music and things, but we
will do some from the seventies up into the nineties too,
and then Lee going to have his original music on there,
and his stuff sounds like it could have been produced
in the eighties. It's got a very eighties vibe most
of it, not all of it, but really looking forward
to that. And then I'm going to do like a

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story hour or something over there a couple of nights
a week. And then we're also going to have a
show where we'll take either a specific band or maybe
even a single song from the eighties and then tell
the story behind it. Kind of like the behind the
music type thing, because some of those songs they're not
at all what you think they are. And Lee's are

(23:34):
like that too. He's got some songs that when he
starts breaking them down and telling you the inspiration for
him and stuff, it's not anything like you think it is.
Listening to the lyrics, I.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Love You'll ask the audience in his chats if anybody
wants to guess what that one's about.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, and nobody ever gets it right, because the inspiration
comes from the strangest places sometimes. And he even wrote
a song about you. He just the first time. He
does that a lot of times when people are in
the chat for the first time, he'll pick him out
of the crowd and write a song about him. And

(24:14):
yours just really clicked, and he went and made a preda.
So he's got a single that song that he wrote
based on your name, and it's it's catchy. I mean,
that's a top forty hit if you got it in
the right hands.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Everybody thinks it sounds like a little movie song, kind
of like Breakfast, Breakfast, the Break.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, it could be a theme song or off the soundtrack.
A lot of his music's that.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Way and for that one too, he said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
He's working on that. He's got a lot of irons
in the fire too. But he's a good guy. He's
my brother from another mother, and I like to call
him and you're over there with him a lot as
a co host on First War Audio, and I pop
in when I can and all my spare time that
I've got here.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
He's funny. We banter a lot, but it's allid fun.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Just yeah, me and him tear each other up Firstay nights.
That's the actual radio one f a night where we
got the idea for the station and it'd be uh
me and him and uh Stephen the Cherinator, Stephen Hughes.
And when we were doing that, he was, uh. We

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were the even Stevens and he was oddly and it
was kind of like if the Three Stooges had a
radio show. So we have a lot of fun over there.
Yes it was, but we're all good friends. We all
love one another. Stephen is a great guy. And speaking
of I missed his stream this morning. He does those

(25:48):
truck driving simulation streams where he drives all around the
UK on his video game system and broadcast that and
he said, he's a good guy understand. Sometimes he's got
that Scottish brogue, you know, and I can't leecoln understand him.
But sometimes I'll be like, what do you say? But
then even Lee will say I didn't understand a word

(26:09):
of that, mate. Lee's from Southampton in that area, but
he's he speaks more proper than according to him.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So Stephen lives an hour away from dunder Rave Castle.
It was a castle that was in my family ages ago.
Of course, I think.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
There's the Stockton Castle. I can't remember where it's at
in the UK. It's not there anymore. It's been it
was torn down centuries ago, I think there. But there's
a grocery store or mall or something there now at
Stockton Castle Market or something, so that's all that's left.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But I remember seeing the images that you had sent
and dunder Rave looks like a room that would fit
inside of that one compared so it's just a little small,
quaint castle.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Summer they go for vacation or something. But anyway, and
then Stockton, California, that's some of my folks there. It's
also the I think the crime capital of California. There's
uh it was number one for crime in California. So
of what I traveled to San Francisco a couple of

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years ago to seek it or to speak at that
UFO conference. I wanted to go to Stockton, California, and
I looked it up online and everything I said like, no,
you don't want to go here. So I found Stockton
Street in San Francisco and I stood underneath the street
sign for it. That was as close as I got
to Stockton, California.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
That's fair enough. Now Lee's had I don't want to
school anything if anybody hasn't listened to that episode, But
he has some UFO stories and a couple of little
ghost stories too.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
He told the ninth that I had him on here.
He told uh, he talked about the UFO thing, and
then he talked about two very specific ghost incidents he'd had.
The one where they saw the old lady disappear in
a marsh or field or something like that. But then
the most frightening one was there the house he was
grown up in. There was something behind a poster on

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that wall. He liked the hands going down, And then
they did some research and found out that that was
all reclaimed marshland or they drained that drained the marsh
there and then built houses in there. So he but yeah,
I went to the police station. That was the one
with the old lady and then like we got another one,

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you know, and they were used to get Yeah, but
the one with the hands going down the poster. Yeah,
it was at the time when that happened, if it
was the residual haunting, there was somebody fell in the
marsh and was drowning and going down. But there happened
to be a house there now after they drowned the

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marsh or whenever. You know, it's I think the house
had been there for decades prior to that. But there's
that's the kind of way it is here in New England.
It's not as old it's what they have in England England.
But there's a lot of history and a lot of things,
a lot of bloodshed, a lot of things that have
happened here, even before the Revolutionary War where the Native

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American tribes where at war with each other. There's new
buildings here that where they see all kinds of stuff
and it's as Stephen King would say, the ground is soured,
you know, there's h and that what's that book? There's
a book about happenings in North Carolina dark and bloody ground,
and I think that's a lot of it. So now

(29:59):
you've lived in some haunted places before we talked about
that last time of ron, have you had any experiences
or seen any more phantom deer leaping in slow or
in froze motion through your.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yard or that was wild though, I mean, I'll never
forget that. It's just an outline of the deer and
like like it had already jumped in the air and
was just zooming right across behind a building. And I'm
not whoa and I can find out my mom had
saw the same thing. She ducked her head when in
the house, and I said, I'm not crazy, you know.

(30:33):
I went in the house and told hers, just said,
I believe you. I saw the same thing. I think
it diden about a year prior.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
So the hoddest I still wonder about that was that
a deer that somebody shot maybe in mid jump, you know,
it was leaping, and they took it down, and then
the deer is forever, you know, in that that loop
where it's it's jumping, and it died in the air,
and therefore it just it stays in that it's death

(31:00):
state and then just sails through the air like flying
but not running.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Just I thought about it, Well, maybe there was a
whole scene. Maybe the building was blocking something I couldn't see,
you know, like maybe someone accidentally speared or cut their
cell for you know, whatever it may be, and it's
just a whole scene playing out, and I couldn't see
the rest or all I saw it was the deer.

(31:28):
You know, I've heard of animal apparitions and stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
But yeah, I told you about that guy that I
spent the night with when I was in college. I
went over to his house and stayed the weekend, and
the Friday night that I got there, I slept in
his guest bedroom and his cat came in, jumped up
on the bed, curled up down to fort of the bed.
You know, I felt it jump up there, could feel
it up against my leg and could feel it purring.

(31:53):
And then the next morning went out. He was cooking
breakfast and I said, Larry, if you were looking for
your cat last night. It spent the night in your
guest room with me on the bed, and he said, Steve.
He looked at me, cafe. He said, Steve, that cat's
been dead for two years. I think it was two years,
but he said, I've felt it too. I felt it
brush up against my leg in the dark. But I

(32:14):
mean it was a very real, tactile sensation of a
cat jumping on the bed, curling up next to my
leg and then that purr, you know that the field,
the vibration. But there was.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Now a lot of people, especially you know, dogs, maybe
even cats, they can hear the jingle of their collars
and they're like, wait a minute, that can't be you know,
the dog's not with us anymore. But they can hear
the dog approaching, like it's got this little collar on
the little pieces, and they they accept it as a

(32:52):
loving familiarity to like, you know, the pet's coming, to
say hello to him, to greet them like I'm okay.
You know, it actually makes them feel better. So I
think that now you have one of my favorite stories.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
None of your business story. Well that's that's normal, but
I love that one.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, who are you talking about? That one? That was
one of your childhood experiences. That's very comical.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I'm going to get mail if I don't let
me just go ahead and tell it real quick. When
I was in kindergarten, there was this kid. I won't
say his last name because he's still around as far
as I know, but his name was Perry, and uh,
I'd never been around kids before. I was raised as
an only because my one brother was seventeen years older

(33:40):
than me, and I'd never been around actual kids, so
it was just, you know, it was my mind was
just blown when I went to kindergarten. But I read
highlights for children, and I don't know, I think they
still print that. But back then, in the sixties and
into the seventies too, think at the very last page

(34:02):
of it was a cartoons or the actually artistic drawings.
It was called Goufus and Gallant, and Gouphus was the
bad kid that did everything you weren't supposed to do,
and Gallant was the good kid. So they'd have him,
you know, right next to each other. And like Gallant
treats his elders with respect, Goufhus laughs at old people.

(34:24):
You know. It's just and I was I was enamored
with Gouphus, you know, and this is the bad kid. Well,
this kid, Perry, he was like Gouphus in the flesh.
I mean he was the worst of the worst. He
was a terror, and I think he was like had
been held back in kindergarten or something young and he
was bigger and older than everybody else. But anyway, he

(34:46):
did all kinds of stuff. He had a stall in
the bathroom that was his and you weren't allowed to
use his stall, and you know, this is kindergarten, it
was co ed stalls. And my cousin Tina was in
his stall one day tinkling and he's like, get up,
you're in my style. And she's like, I'm using the bathroom, Perry,
get out of here. He's like, get up, and she

(35:08):
wouldn't get up, so he beat on her leg. But
he tried to hang another little girl from the jungle gym.
I mean, he was just a holy terear. But this
one day, we were finger painting and I had the
little easels, you know, and we had to bring like
one of our dad's shirts or something that we put
that on backwards and the teacher would button it up

(35:28):
and that was our artist's smock. So we're all in
their finger painting and Parry just like you know, smearing
paint on there and having a grand old time. And
our she wasn't a teacher, she was more of a binder.
Back then in the Knox County school system there wasn't
a state or county kindergarten. You had to go to

(35:49):
a private kindergarten, and I went to one at the
Methodist church there in Carns. But Ms Gardner was our
quote unquote teacher. And that was another thing. He would
come out of the bathroom with his pants down around
his ankles, and a teacher teacher, and then mss Gardner
would go over and help him pull his underwear and

(36:11):
button his pants and stuff. And he's standing there like
smiling and nodding his head. He just did that. He like,
uh yeah, So anyway, this one, I'm all over the
place here. Anyway, This one day we were all a
finger painting and Miss Gardner walks up to Perry, who's
you know, creating some masterpiece there on his easel, And
she's like, oh, that's that's that looks good, Perry, all

(36:34):
the colors and things, So what are you painting? And
he just kind of turns and looks up at her
just so nonchalantly and says, none of your business. And
then turns back to his painting again, and she just
kind of looks around and I don't know what to say.
Everything walks over to some other kid, and I thought,
that's brilliant, none of your business. So yeah, I was

(36:57):
all about it. And that's not the end of the
starter on. So that's that's not the end of the
rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say. Sometimes
it might have been that evening or that night. It
was a recent after that. I was up on the
kitchen counter digging in the cabinets looking for a packet
of grape kool aid. And I wasn't supposed to be

(37:19):
on the counter and wasn't supposed to be making my
own kool aid, but that never stopped me anyway. But
I'm standing. I pushed the kitchen chair over, climbed up
on that, climbed up on the counter, and was standing
up there, all of five years old, looking into the
cabinets that my mom had on the walls there for
packing a kool aid. And she comes out of the
dining room into the kitchen and sees me standing up there,

(37:41):
and what are you doing up there? And I looked
around the cabinet door at her just and and tried
to muster that that look that Perry had given his
gardener and said none of your business, and then just
turned back, and I thought, you know, hey, that worked
great well. The next thing I knew, I was flying,
I was she grabbed me by one arm, yanked me

(38:04):
off the counter, and then in mid flight, mid flight,
I'm in the air, like three feet off the ground,
She's already swatten my behind it. She had probably three,
four or five lacks applied to my backside before my
feet even touched the ground. So I learned right away
that what worked for Perry wouldn't necessarily work for me.

(38:25):
And that was probably the last time I tried none
of your business on my mom. But I thought it
was brilliant up until I got a paddling for it,
And God bless her. I deserved ever paddling that I
ever got, and a lot that I didn't get that
I should have gotten. But she wasn't abuse of anything.

(38:46):
She just didn't take no sass. As she liked to say,
I'd sass her and that that gets you in trouble,
and that I didn't realize, you know that I committed
such a crime by using that phrase worked for Perry,
but at the time, none of your business story. So
there you go. You don't have to mail me now,

(39:06):
folks want me to tell it. There it is. But
now you're mentioning another story of mine that you like.
What What was that it was?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's about a dog. It was. I can't remember if
it's on If it was on it might have. I
think it was on Missing Persons Mysteries, and then it
went over to you redone. It over on Among the Missing.
It's paranormal pits. I can't remember the name of the show,

(39:40):
but I don't want to spoil it, but it's really
it was really touching.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I think of which one it was, as I've done
a few with dogs, and I got my dog Saved Me,
which is on Among the Missing.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Little Yeah, I believe it was I saved my life.
I want to say it something like that.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah. I don't remember any paranormal stories now, but I
think I know the one you're talking about, and it's
in my book Strange Things in the Woods. And if
you give me a little bit more of what you
remember about it, I can tell you for sure. And
if it is, I'll just go ahead and excuse me
read it here because it's kind of a short one.

(40:30):
I've got to flip through here and find it. So
that's what I'm doing while you're refreshing my memory.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I may be combining on but I know I believe
on the video the child sits down, there's a mention
of I believe a little box or maybe this is
one of your stories.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It sounds like I'll just go ahead and read this one.
It's only two pages. It's in my book, Strange Things
in the Woods, Chapter forty one, The Buried Suitcase. Okay,
this didn't happen to me. This was one that somebody
told to me. I was out in the woods scouting

(41:14):
deer in anticipation of the opening of bost season in
a couple of weeks. It was a good way to
spend the weekend, I figured, and would hopefully increase my
chances of getting having trouble reading because it's dark in here,
and would hopefully increase my chances of getting a nice
trophy buck for the wall of my den at home.
I'd already found some good likely spots to place a

(41:36):
tree stand and was on my way back to my
four wheeler when I decided to sit down beneath the
tree and take a rest. As I sat down, I
put my hand on a large flat rock that was
at the base of the tree. The rock wobbled and
rocked a little bit, and I heard a hollow sounding
thunking noise coming from underneath. Curiosity up, I scraped leaves

(41:58):
from around the rock, and once exposed, found I had
no trouble rolling it over to one side and out
of the way. Underneath the stone, I found that the
soil was loose, and it was obvious someone had previously
been digging here. I looked around and found a pretty
good sized stick started scraping away the dirt. Much to
my surprise, a square outline began to take shape. Using

(42:22):
my gloved hands, I had soon uncovered the top of
an a luminum case of some sort. I cleared some
more dirt from around the sides, and very soon it
made the hole big enough that I was able to
grasp the dirt and crusted handle and lift the case free.
I was surprised at the haft of it, and I
could feel something shift inside. It was one of those
aluminum flight cases that had been locked with a key.

(42:44):
As visions of buried cash and jewels danced in my head.
I grabbed the leather and tool from my pouch on
my belt and went to work on the locks. About
fifteen minutes later, I finally broke through the second lock.
I held my breath as I slowly opened the case,
already thinking what I would do with all the cash
I was about to find, or at least the reward

(43:04):
money if it turned out to be stolen. Inside was
a pillow case and a laminated note. The note was
actually a poem dedicated to Brewster, the best bird dog ever.
I felt the pillow case with my gloved hand just
to make sure. Yep, he'd been in the ground for
quite some time, and I felt the unmistakable feel of

(43:25):
bones without having to open the pillowcase, which was tied
shut with a short length of nylon rope. I thought
of the many good hunting dogs I'd owned over the years,
and I admired the tenacity of anyone who had lugged
her to cease dog in a suitcase all the way
out here in the middle of nowhere. What better tribute
than to bury a dog in the same area where
fond hunting memories were once made? Satisfied I carefully reburied

(43:50):
the case, replaced the rock, and covered it with leaves,
all the while with tears in my eyes. I may
not have found any loot, but instead found a real treasure.
There's nothing like a good canine hunting companion. Sorry to
have disturbed your brewster. I hope you're having a blast
flushing grass out of the brush and dog heaven? Now,
is that even the story you were thinking of? Probably not?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Do you remember that one? But the paranormal reference, I
do know what I'm thinking of now. It's it's not
really paranormal. It's just that, you know, you want to
think of the animals as angels for saving you, you know.
And another one I do.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Remember is that was my dog saved me. I said
at the end that not all angels have weighing, some
of them have fur or something like that. That sounds like.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
No about the cats hearing the cats?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Now, I've got a couple of stories about cats. The
story that my dad had that farm he grew up on.
They had an old mama cat that had had a
litter of kittens, and she wasn't a very good mama cat,
and the kittens passed away and they took them and
buried him in a hat box down by the creek,
and they were there a couple of days later and

(45:06):
they heard muling, you know, they heard kittens, and they thought,
you know, did we bury them alive. They went and
got a shovel, dug it back up, and sure enough
the kittens were very deceased, as they knew they were
when they put them in there, and so they reburied him.
But he said for years after that in that area
near the creek where he grew up, when they were
down in that little hollow there by, that they could

(45:28):
hear those kittens. And then I had the story of
house I grew up in. I could hear kittens in
the cross space. I could lay on my bedroom floor
and put my ear to the carpet and it was
just an area rug. We had hardwood floors, but I
could hear, get it's under there, And I heard those
for years. I started hearing them when I was probably
six seven years old, and my parents never could hear them.

(45:52):
And I've searched every inch of that cross space. I
got in there, and there was no way a cat
to get in there. There wasn't any kittens, but I
could hear them, and I'd have friends over and they're like,
I think you got kittens in your crosspace, and we
go down there and look, but never did find them.
But the last time I heard them, I was fifteen
years old, and it was the last night I spent

(46:14):
in that house. Most of our furniture had already been moved,
but there was still some stuff there, and I spent
the night in the house by myself. My parents were
at the new house, and I stayed there with their
stuff in the old house, slept on my bedroom floor
and heard the kittens. I know it had been at
least eight nine years, and I heard them under there.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You had some strange experiences in the surrounding woods too,
at one of your home places when you was a kid.
I've had the strange your experience. The only thing recently
I can think of is there was something in the sky.
It was it looked like a perfectly round but well

(46:55):
it's just a little fuzzy around the edges, you know,
but almost see through dark gray. And it was not time.
And I know it wasn't the headlight because when headlights
come it hit they hit the power lines outside and
you can see on the light going down the Paara line.
This was something round going directly over the porch outside

(47:16):
and the power lines are the opposite way where the
headlights shine based on each there's tea ways in and
out road here and anyway, this was round. It was
fairly low compared to anything else I've seen for reference,
and it just whizzed right across. There was no sound
and out loud. I said, what what was that? You know?

(47:40):
And I go down and I go back to look.
There's nothing there. It's gone disappeared. And the other thing
I've had happened recently, which I think I sent you
an email about, but I never followed up because I
think I'd already told you about it was I have
an old stereo here and it's like seventies model. It's

(48:03):
like an antique. You have to turn the knob to
turn it on, and the thing came on by itself.
One day I heard a noise. I looked, the dogs
are barking. I go into the kitchen to see what's
going on. I hear static. I'm like, okay, the radio zone. Okay,
the radio zone. How did that happen? And I've had

(48:23):
it on a station that was coming in clear prior
about an hour priorly an hour or two prior. And
I'll leave it on for a minute because I'm puzzled,
you know, I'm curious. You know, I took this little
quirky maybe a little supernatural, so I want to see
what else might happen. And I was on my phone

(48:44):
actually editing some pictures, and so I start recording. Of
course I don't capture anything. I stop recording. I go
over and turn off the phone, I mean the radio,
And while my back's turned, the salespaper that was resting
on the top of it sounded like someone had put
their palm down on it with weight and slid the

(49:08):
paper across it. And of course I whirled back around
and the paper is still there. It hasn't been moved.
I'm like, okay, what do you want. I look at
the sales paper thinking is there a clue to something here?
But I don't know what it's all about. I never
got to clude anything, never capture anything.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
No, I would ask who did the radio used to
belong to? Is it somebody in your family, or you
get it in a flea market, or you think there
was something that's attached to that radio or that sounds
like it's just a singular occurrence.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
So far, that's the only time it's happened, So I
don't think, you know, if it's digital ag a remote
controlled stereo, you know some things, you know, maybe I
could explo that way.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, no, if yeah, a knob that you had to
physically turn in between. On Facebook it said old school
channel changer, old school TV remote and it was a
picture from like the sixties of a little kid changing
the channel. My parents would do that again, go change

(50:21):
the channel, put it back. Then there were only three channels.
You had w A t E t V channel six
in Knoxville, w b I R channel ten in Knoxvill,
and then w TVK channel twenty six, which was a
UHF station and couldn't get it where we lived. But
uh all change. Now occasionally you could pick up Chattanooga

(50:44):
and places like that. But yeah, I would be you know,
go change the channel, Go put prices right on her,
you know, go switch it to uh we want to
watch Bonanza or something. So you sit there and you
had to turn it yourself. But yeah, if it's an
analog radio like that, there's a knob, can't turn itself no,

(51:04):
I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
You know, when it's offer, give it a certain amount
of torque or pressure, you know, it just it clicks.
It's off. It was definitely off. I mean an hour later.
If it was in between, it just wasn't in between.
So I know maybe something in between was messing with it,
but the not itself wasn't. Also lately, I've.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Had That's what they talk about, spirits and stuff. They
needed energy to get through. So maybe whatever it was
had enough to turn the radio on, and then it
was using that static and that noise and the radiated
power there from the radio. Was it a M or
FM or both? You remembers it was on f M.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I had it on a rock channel, and it was
probably a good think of the knob about a quarter
size round. Yeah, it was probably a quarter of a
turn past that in between some stations and the static.
I don't know how that happened either.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, it's about stuff like that. That was the other
thing in that house where I heard the kittens. I
used to hear a radio and it was like like
a talk show, like a talk radio. Uh yeah, But
we had a where my parents' room was. My dad
had gone to work the first time I ever heard of.

(52:34):
My dad had already gone to work, and I was
probably three or four, and I went and got into
bed with my mom after he had left, and I
was laying there and I heard, and I thought, well,
my dad's left the TV on or something. So I
got up and went and looked. TV went on, radio
went on. I couldn't hear it anywhere in the house
that I can identify where it was at. But it

(52:56):
was just imagine a radio tuned to a talk show
and down so low that you could just barely hear it.
I could hear people talking, but I couldn't hear what
they were saying. But it was already I mean they
were given like call letters and things the next on
WATO you know, something like that. But I don't know now.
I didn't. I don't think I had any dental work

(53:17):
or anything. Did. I've heard of people with fillings and
their teeth picking up the radio and stuff if they'd
stand in a certain place and turn their head a
certain way. But I have no idea what that was.
That was just a strange place. That whole area we
had like a twenty six and a half ac or
farm and only five of that was cleared off. The
rest of it was old growth woods and stuff, and

(53:42):
I had those springs on it. There were seven natural
springs there, six that came out of hillsides and one
that was artesian flowed into a bigger creek, and then
that flowed into the lake. At that time, it had
been the Clinch River until they TVA damned it up
and then it was Meltain Hill Lake. But that whole
area there had been a witch supposedly lived in a
shed there back in the early nineteen hundreds or something. Now,

(54:06):
back then we didn't have garbage service out in the county.
You could haul it to the dump and Oak Ridge,
or you could do a control burn in your backyard.
We had a garbage pit my dad had made. I
supposedly her shack had sat there where our garbage pit was,
so I.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Don't know they around there.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, Well, because of all the stuff we had learned,
you'd find a lot of tin cans and stuff. But
now down just down there was a little that was
set upon a little hill, and just down the hill
from that it was flat and that was our garden place.
And in there I used to find like broken pieces
of dishes and marbles and things, so you could tell

(54:44):
somebody had lived in there prior that that whole place
was weird.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I'll supposedly have two riches in my family, probably back
one hundred two hundred years ago, roughly guessed. I'm not
exactly sure. I think their names were Lucinda and Sarah.
I'm not quite sure that, but it's rather Cindy and

(55:11):
Sarah or Lucinda and Sarah.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Were they sisters? It sounds like a couple of spinster sisters. That. Okay, now,
and you and I figured out that we may be related.
I won't give away your your name here, but it's
it's a common name with mine. Saying now, it was
my grandmother sister that married into that family. But I'm

(55:36):
sure we know some of the same people because it's
kind of from the same area.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
And yeah, I just happened to mention that name one night. Gosh,
it's been three to five years or so ago now,
on thirteen past midnight, I was kind of making a
joke about myself and using my last name for reference music. Hey,
you I know that name, that's your name. I'm like, yeah,

(56:03):
that's my last name.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
That my grandmother's sister frenchie. I don't even know if
that was. I just always know his French he or French,
and uh. She married into that family and her husband
had the last name. His name was Audrey A U
D r e Y, but they shortened that to A
U D and they pronounced it ud uncle ud liked.

(56:29):
But he was a pistol. He was a comedian. He
was one I was telling you about. They were living
somewhere in Knoxville, right on the Tennessee River there, and
there was a guy sitting out on a tree limb
fishing in the river and he was winning the house.
I think he'd been shaving or something, and he took
the shaven cream and put it in his mouth and

(56:50):
went running out of the apartment they were living in
towards this guy, and you know, and slinging foam everywhere,
like you had rabies or something that was a big
back in Like when my mom was there was always
a rabbit, dog or something that you had to watch
out for. But this person thought it was a rabid person.
And he fell off the tree limbit into the Tennessee River.

(57:13):
And I said, the last time I saw he was
swimming down the river trying to get away from me,
and he just he was c Yeah, he was. He
was a real pistol, but again not not a blood
relation but by by marriage. But that was they had
the same last name as you do.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
About the witch part I've heard of. I'm still thinking
of that story of just imagining that guy swimming for
his life lost.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Of course there's probably just you know, a bamboo pole
or something. He'd cut himself, but he he didn't care
about the fish anymore. He fell out into the river
and just let me out of here.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Go alone again. But I've heard of witch jars, and
they can consist of body beans like hair and nails.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And also ministrul blood and urine. I think there's a
guy on YouTube that has a metal detecting channel and
he'd found one out in the woods, and he didn't
do it live. It was pre recorded, of course, he'd
made the video and people when he premiered the video,
people in the chat were like, no, no, don't open it,
don't open it. Put that well, he opened it, dumped

(58:24):
it out and he's like, boy, this smells bad and
air and stuff in there, and I believe it was urine.
And then he made a follow up, and he said,
I'm glad y'all told me what that was. He said,
I put everything back in it to the best of
my ability, sealed it up and buried it back where
I found it. Because that's you can get a curse
on here or something.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
It can be too kursia or to help you. I mean,
you know, like witch work.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
It depends on the intent of the witch that put
it together.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
People used to put strange things in their walls for
good luck, like shoes, coins, you may know, some other stuff. Yeah,
people would put like one shoe, I don't know what
they've done, the other shoe shut. I've heard of one shoe.
I don't I've left or right. But they would put
it in their wall. And of course cons it's supposed

(59:21):
to ward off evil spirits. Of course you got dream pictures.
Of course, shoes.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
A lot of people would take an iron railroad spikes
and put them at the corners of their property. That
was supposed to keep the faith bulk away and keep
them from stealing your babies. And my granny, even though
she called herself a gypsy witch, she was a granny witch,
Appalachian witch. She would put garlic in the keyholes and

(59:45):
the house. She's a big old Victorian farmhouse that'd had
a dairy farm and had those old actual keyhole looking
hole that used like a skeleton keyboard.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
And.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
At night she would go around and pop cloves of
garlic in those holes, and she said that was to
keep witches from coming through the keyhole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
People, you know, they used salt to put around to
seal their doorways or something that could be easily disturbed,
but a quick pinch, something's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah. I was a little kid that if you wanted
to catch a bird, you sneak up on it and
you sprinkle sawd on its tail and you can grab it.
And I think that was just you know, a metaphor whatever,
meaning that if you go close enough to sprinkle salt
on its tail, you could just grab it. It was yours.
But I was at a party one time that reminded

(01:00:43):
me where they had you lay down on your back
on the floor and put your fists like straight out
in front of you. So if you're laying on your back,
your arm and your fists is straight up, and then
they would try to push your fist down and tell you, you know,
try to resist. Let me push your fist down, and
you know you could hold them off, but then they

(01:01:04):
would sprinkle a little bit of salt on you, and
cathink I had it done to me. You could not
keep them from pushing your arm down if they sprinkle
salt on you. I don't know what it did, but
it did a power suggestion or something magical in the
salt when it interacts with the human body. But that's real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Now run that by me one more time. You're laying
flat on your back in the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Floor, and you put your arm straight out in front
of you, so it would be up in the air
like your fist, and then yeah, just one or I
guess you could do both. And then somebody grabs your
arm and tries to push it down either towards your
waist or back behind your head, either direction, and you
do your best to keep them from doing it. And

(01:01:49):
then you could you could just hold your arm stiff
and they you know, they would have a hard time
moving and if you're resistant, but then they'd throw a
pinch of salt on you anywhere, just on your body,
and then you couldn't. It's like that resistance was gone.
It was just poof. They would just press it down
like and I'm still trying, you know, as hard as
I can to keep them removing my arm, but it
just they just pressed it right down. And they didn't

(01:02:11):
just do it to me. They did it to other people.
It's like a kid's party when I was in the
Creator or something. But I have no idea, Like I said,
power suggestion or if there's really.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Something after you hold your arm up enough the blood flow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Maybe Well that's the thing. If you ever stood like
you stand in a doorway and you put your put
your hands exer sides and then push out on the
doorframe as hard as you can, and then when you
step away, your arms float up, and that's that's a
muscle reaction there. But all kinds of goofy stuff. And

(01:02:46):
then the other one. I never did this, and I
was afraid of it. But you take like tien deep breaths,
hold the tenth one and then somebody grabs you from
behind and squeezes you real heart and you black out.
I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
They called it a plane or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Yeah, do anything where I blacked out? What was the
other one they used to do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
No, I've not done this, but I've heard of a
lot of the feather stiff as a board. You probably don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
That's what I was trying to think of. Where four
people you lay flat, and I've seen people do it
between two chairs, like two folded chairs. You put your
feet on one and your shoulders and your head on
the other, stiff in your body, and then four people
take their index finger and put it under one person
under your heels and another person under your shoulders on

(01:03:35):
each side. And then they've moved the chairs away and
it's like they're they're lifting you up with just their fingers.
So again, living don't know how that works. If it's
just you know, the distribution of the weight is just right.
But again it works.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Now that's something I haven't saw. Like let's see the
TV show Factor Fate or I believe something like that. Yeah,
I saw that when recreated anywhere. You know that may
on YouTube somewhere. Look for that one time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Search for these now too, like these kid legends and
stunts and things. And then there was a book in
our library and elementary school. It's called like Party Stunts
or something like that, and it had stuff like that
you could try, things you could do to they were
either like a chemical or a muscle or reaction or
something that you could amaze your friends. And I'm trying

(01:04:26):
to think there was one something about Uh, there was
just some of the silly ones, like where you could
take a balloon and rub it on you and then
it would stick to the wall. That was static. And
then there was one where you mixed salt and pepper
together and then you could take a comb and comb
your hair and then just hold it over the salt

(01:04:48):
and pepper and the pepper and the salt would separate.
That was static electricity. It was just it was full
of just goofy stuff like that. But you know, when
you're in something, Yeah, that would just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
That's Cisco Murdock, she's been You are a guest writer
in a book of hers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, we're all children in the wilderness of the Afterlife
A guided to her through a Haunted Life by Cisco
Murdoch and with Steve Stockton. That was just I was
like the color commentary iphol along behind her. And it
was weird the way she wrote that she'd write a chapter,
send it to me and then I'd write my response,
and she didn't want to see it as soon as

(01:05:34):
I wrote it. She wanted me to wait until the
whole book was done, and I was needles, you know,
I'm like, she's gonna hate this. I'm gonna have to
rewrite my part. And she loved it. And just as
it was was a little bit of you know, just
perfunctory editing, figuring up mistakes and things. But it's the
way I wrote it, is the way she put it
in the book, and it just worked together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
She's been on this show several.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Times, sivertimes. Yeah, Sisco is a good guest. Just to
give her a topic, wind her up and let her go,
you know, and she's she's she likes to talk. She knows.
She's like a poly math. She knows a little bit
about everything paranormal. And I had Yeah, I had her
and uh, I can't remember the guy's name from the

(01:06:21):
Hoover House, Jim somebody. I think I had them on
together one night and that was it was a great
show talking about story from Gettysburg.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I was in her chat a couple of weeks ago,
and I've been you know, I talked about a couple
of odd things here, but a couple more come to mine.
You know, I can hear and I'm not the only
one who hears it. But we hear car doors, people
outside approaching talking. The dogs will bark. Look, there is

(01:06:54):
not a soul, not a car or anything in The
houses near me are pretty good distance away, and the
fork of the road, I mean, if there's anybody around,
we would see them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, no way around.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
And I also hear like a TV playing somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
You can't that were like out in the woods and
it's a TV. I mean I could hear the commercials
and things. There's nobody on the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Like a couple of people talking, like maybe a game
show or and you can't make out what they're actually
actual words. You just here it's muffled and soft. But
I can't figure out where that's coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Television. You know, was the size of a small suitcase.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, like almost like camp quarters back in the day,
they were very big. But I've been hearing some loud
odd banging around here, and in the chat people are saying,
you know, do you know anything about the land. The
only thing I know is that a lady lived here
that is not with us anymore. I don't know how

(01:08:02):
that happened, or if it was here in the hospital
or somewhere else. But I'm like, yeah, if that's the case,
I need to appease this lady somehow. She's kind of
getting my attention. Yeah, I come to find out. I
think all I needed to do was weed the flower beds.
I've done that. I've not heard a single bang.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Interesting, Now, when you went on that show with Cis
because there was some particular story that you were going
to tell and I didn't get to watch that episode.
What was it that as I went to her and said,
Catheita wants to come on and talk about this, but
I don't remember what this was. What was it you
wanted to talk to her about?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
It was probably the Greenbrier ghost mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, yeah, that was it. Now, that's give us a
little bit of that one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It's good. It's called Ghostlur but it's kind of hard
to find, you know, word's news. There's only one video
right now. It's at YouTube at ghost lore yt for
YouTube at the end of it, and it's a green
of purple RAMD logo. I made that myself and I
like it. I'm very proud of that. I think it's keeped.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
But yeah, you did a good job on that, and
you I'm not gonna spoil it yet, but you made
a logo for another channel that I'm working on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yes I did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I have kind of a literary bent to it. But
tell us about the Greenbrier a little bit that you
wouldn't know that that was that, the one with the
courthouse and the trial and all that. Tell my listeners
a little bit about that if you would.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
In the States anyway. I mean, I think there may
be something somewhere else, but in the States, it's like
the first and only case where a ghost the testimony
of a ghost through someone else saw the crime, and
the guy was sentenced and he went to jail. And

(01:10:03):
I'm not going to reveal who it was, just it.
You can watch the video for that, but it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
And also I'll put a link to your ghost Lord
channel in the show notes so people come check it out.
But I helped you with some of the graphics on that,
and it's quite an amazing tale.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I'll have details in the video about, you know, some
of the testimony that was told by the person that
the ghosts came to and who that was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
To and they allowed that in court. That's the amazing
thing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Well, see The thing about it was is they wasn't
going to mention it, but for the person that went
to jail. Their side, you know, the defense was trying
to discredit the person who was telling these things about
the ghosts and what was told. And there was four

(01:11:02):
nights in a row that the ghost visited and each
time as it progressed, there was more and more details
that came out, and they were trying to discredit this person.
It didn't work. It actually backfired.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Plain that it didn't help put the person away. Other
people say that it did. One question about it, though, is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
According to the ghost the things the ghosts told this person.
It was about some food is what started an argument.
And I'm thinking that something bad happened to the lady

(01:11:56):
prior to her the night prior to her being found,
because the way the situation played out, the next day
two a boy is sent to go see if she
needed anything done, any errands run, any eggs collected from
the chicken house. So and I think the food part

(01:12:24):
was dinner, which wasn't in the morning. So something I
believe happened to the lady. And then the next day
some excuses are made to go check on the person,
and I think they just freaked out. And then of
course she was discovered in her home. And that's just

(01:12:48):
one lingering question I have about it that I don't
know of anybody else bringing up. I've not found any
information about it. I've talked to an archive place online.
They gave me the go ahead to do some of
the work. They were very helpful. But if this certain
food was the argument's cause, she had to have been

(01:13:15):
there at the some stairs by the kitchen holding it
through through to the next morning til afternoon. So the
person that was blamed and arrested to be a fault
had to have been going a little crazy in their minds,

(01:13:35):
you know. I don't know how they would have kept
her calm and just not a flat town or something,
you know, you know, to actually in turn sent a
boy to the home to check on the person. Instead
of claiming that they they found the person themselves. Are

(01:13:58):
you there, Steevens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It's an interesting tale. Yeah, I muted my mic I had.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
A coughing fit all over the place right there, but
I was trying not to give too much way in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
So much way. You go watch it on ghost or
ghost Lord White Tea for YouTube. I'll put a link
in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I told you about that story a long time ago. See,
I thought it was a greenbrier in England or somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I heard about it again and again, and it finally
dawned on me. Wait a minute, they said West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, and that's one of those. There's a greenbriar area
in the Smokies. There's that seems to be a common
name for places, and the greenbriar in there in the
Pittman Center area the Smokies, it's haunted. There was a
girl that jilted her husband or to be, had stood
a rep at the altar and she hung herself in
that place, and it's still haunted the lodge there, and

(01:14:52):
part of the reason may be on the menu. They
have a dessert called Lydia's Chocolate Suicide for two that
it was the ghost name, So no wonder she's haunting
that place. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
One story I told you of before, I believe was
from the CAD's Cove area, And you want me to
send it to if i'd ever found it again. I
have not, But just as a reminder, a lady wanted
on her tombstone, and I'm pretty sure she got it
because you know, it's a story. The tombstone supposed to

(01:15:26):
is supposed to read as saying, if I'm lying here,
my husband and his lover will have to cross this stone,
and I hope he feels guilty. It's like a jolt

(01:15:47):
of the lover, you know, after the fact, after she's gone,
she's still going to be jealous and going to get
anywhere they have to cross a certain tombstone or plaque
or something that she wanted in place. And I thought, wow,
that is one scorned lady, you know, but I have that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
And then also we talked about it. This is a
long time ago, on thirteen past midnight, and I've talked
about this with Sean Graham too. Somewhere in the Tri
Cities area, I think it's Johnson City, there is a
guy that's buried standing up. It's like a small family crypt,
and his vault that the coffins in is standing on
its end.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
I hope they got him feet first and not head first.
But I cannot find that place. I was with somebody,
we were just driving fly and they said, oh, see
that little tiny crypt over there, and it was like,
you know, a little concrete or marble crypt with an
iron gate over the front of which you could see
inside it. But they said, he's that guy wanted to
be buried standing up. But I can't find that. Everybody

(01:16:50):
I talked to from that area they've heard of it,
and they know about it. They know a little bit
about it, but nobody can remember where it is. And
we were in the industrial area. Yeah, they're like, you know,
like printing companies and things like that, just little businesses.
And then when we turned off that side street back
towards the main road, the graveyard was across that the

(01:17:12):
street that I turned onto. And I was driving, but
the other person was giving me directions and they said,
see that that's there's a guy buried standing up. I
cannot find it now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
You stayed at to Martha Washington, and so do you
know how far away that was from?

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Yeah, that's that's in Abingdon, Virginia. No, I was in
Tennessee because I think we were headed to Etsu that
day to do like a ghost hunt or something, and
we just happened to go through there. There was I
remember there was a business there called Campbell like that,
and that was just down the street. I think that

(01:17:50):
was the little backstreet that was Campbell's printing. Now this
would have been back in the nineties. Campbell's printing was
on the left, and then that road that it was on,
it t boned and there's an intersection near a tea intersection.
The graveyard was right across on the other side of
the other corner, and then you had to turn either
left or right or you would have driven into the

(01:18:11):
graveyard and there was no entrance there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
So, you know, we had talked about a podcast a
long time ago, and I had some things wrote down and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
From all that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Well some of it, yeah, I have a little book
here sat all kinds of things, but some I wrote
down some of the details of that cemetery.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Or like me, I haven't been able to find me.
It was only driving by there that one time. But
I've asked people about it, and like I said, they've
heard of it, but nobody knows where it's at. But
I saw it. I saw the little like look like
a very tiny family cribt but it was you know,
the size of maybe a guard shack or something, and
it's like there's a guy buried standing up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, you said, it kind of looked like a jail cell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, you know, because of the bar, the iron bars,
you know, to keep I think it locked or something.
But people from going inside this little tiny crypt. But
you couldn't see the ball, and it had dirt like
piled up around it, like a little mounded dirt, and
there was grass and stuff growing around it. But on
the one side, the side that faced the road, it

(01:19:28):
was open with the iron fence or the iron gate
closing it. And I don't know. I mean, I can
still picture him and I could draw a picture of it,
but I want to know where that's at. I want
to find out that story. You know, there's been people
buried on their motorcycles and in their cars and things
like that. This guy wanted to be buried standing up,

(01:19:50):
and they did it. Like I said, I just hope
they buried him standing on his feet, not on his head.
That'd be a reason for a haunting right there, if
you buried somebody upside down. And the coffins and Barbados,
I think it was where they would open the family
crypt and the coffins would be thrown around everywhere. They

(01:20:13):
sealed it back, welded it shut or something I think
that the next time they had to open it to
the coffins were tossed around again, upside down, laid in
the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Oh yeah, I remember that story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It's not they.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
You would think it'd been flooded and they just yeah,
situated a different location. They're just a little bit over.
But no, they were like like someone actually been in
there physically moving them around. Yeah, someone else passed away.
They go to burial and yeah, it's sealed up and everything.
Nobody getting there hadn't been flooded. But yet the coffins

(01:20:51):
were in a disarray and yeah organized. So now I
want to name a cemetery. I don't know if it
rings a bell. Uh. This cemetery comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
The dead ringer that was back in the day before
embalming the wealthy people. They would have a cord that
ran down into the coffin to tie to a bell,
and if the person came to in the coffin, they
could pull on that cord and ring the bell. That
that was a dead ringer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
And then that might not save you either, because if
anybody can hear that, their story one or two stories
of a man here in that late at night once
like a caretaker and boy, he just booked it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And that's where the graveyard shift came from, because in
the first day or so, the first night after the burial,
they would hire somebody to sit in the graveyard overnight
and listen for that bell. So you were listening for
a dead ringer on the graveyard shift. That's that Admols.
You both those phrases.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Okay. Now, the name of this cemetery kept popping up
when I'm was researching a story back in when we
was talking about a podcast, and when I was doing
some research trying to find the cemetery that you're talking about,
this East Hill cemetery ring a bell, it kept popping up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Uh. Again, I don't know that I ever knew the
name of the cemetery. I just saw it and the
person that was directing me in the passenger seat I
was driving an old van, and they said, see that
there's a guy buried standing up in there. The concrete
vault at the coffins end is standing on its end, right, Huh.
I'll have to come back and check that out. Never did,

(01:22:40):
And I'm pretty sure it was Johnson City, might have
been Kingsport, but that the city's area there. They all
kind of runs together Bristols there, but it was one
of those. It was in on the Tennessee side because
I believed because we were headed to Atsu. There's some
hard buildings and stuff there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
If it turned out this was the place, I just
think this is an interesting fact about the cemetery, and
you mentioned Bristol. The ground occupies two states. Part of
the cemetery is located in Bristol, Tennessee, while the other
part is located on the Bristol, Virginia side. The state

(01:23:24):
lines border it runs through both. The state line runs
through the cemetery. Each side is almost equal in size.
The entrance is located on the Tennessee side. I don't
know if that's the cemetery or not, but there's a
sem one cemetery. It's in two states m because the

(01:23:49):
border runs straight through it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah. Again, I wouldn't know the name of the place
if I heard it, but that's an interesting factory there.
But yeah, just I mean, it was that unusual that
that person they weren't from around there, but they had
gone to school at et s U and that was
how they knew about it. So again, uh, maybe a

(01:24:17):
della fact or something.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
You have a couple of strange cemetery stories too. The
statue of limitations is up on one. If that rings a.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Bell was not the one the beaver Ridge Cemetery there
in Carns.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
We approaching. There's a couple other people with you. I
don't remember what it was you've done. Maybe you were just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
If it's something I actually did that, and I've told
the tale. It's in uh, my strange world. But yeah,
and there was no one. Yeah, my friend Will had
gone in there. We'd heard the cheerleaders from school to
junior varsity cheerleaders were being hazed by the varsity cheerleaders

(01:25:13):
and they had to go to this particular cemetery and
go all the way back and get the name off
of tombstone. And we heard about this his sister. We'd
overheard her talking about it. So we thought we'll go
in there and hide and scare them good. And there
was somebody else in there with us. And we'd walked
around the whole place before we ever did this, and

(01:25:36):
there was all kinds of stories that people had seen
things in there running around. There were tombstones that glowed
in the dark, and the whole place was just creepy.
But yeah, that's a true story.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
My dad's mother. She done genealogy. She knew all kinds
of little secrets and families and stuff. But she also
made a claim if anybody's ever heard of Now I
may have mentioned this prior, forgive me. She made a claim,
if anybody's heard the story of going into a cemetery,

(01:26:13):
put a fork in the ground to prove that you
were there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, I heard that same story from my dad when
I was a little kid. Scared the crap out of me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
She claimed to know the lady that this happened to.
The story that originated from it may be just one
of the stories.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
That's probably one of those urban legends because this would
have been over on the Cumberland Latto in that area.
But yeah, the woman had gone to the graveyard and
she had to stick a fork in the ground and
then do something, and it was done told her. They
told her to do that on purpose to scare because
it was back when women wore long floor length skirts,

(01:26:58):
and they knew that when she stuck the fork in
the she'd get her skirt caught. Well, what they didn't
count on was that it scared her so bad. She
had a heart attack and died on this grave. Now,
my dad told me that, and he had heard it
as the truth growing up in Finest County. That's one
of those friend of a friend legends. But I think
it probably happened for real somewhere. A lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Legends, yeah, I mean a lot of legends. Lore has
true origins a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
So well, that's like you know the cry baby bridge,
or the phantom hitchhock of the lady in white that
walks the road and things. I think somewhere that really happened.
But anywhere, especially in the South, every little community, every
wide spot in the road has got a cry baby
bridge or a house where you can hear baby crying

(01:27:48):
in the basement or whatever. That supposedly happened to my
grandpa up around Ramsey or Goose Pad, I can't remember
which area it was up in there, that just near
the smoke he's there. But he and some other men
went in there and they could hear the baby crying,
and most of them ran off, they were just teenagers,
but he and another guy stayed and he said that

(01:28:10):
they looked that house over top to bottom, and he
said the most frequent place that sounded like it was
coming from was downstairs behind an old furnace or something,
I think, and that was the story. Lady had gone crazy,
probably postparted him or something, and had murdered her baby
and buried it in the basement. But he said they
heard that he heard that baby cry just as plain,

(01:28:32):
and he had to go like on a stormy night,
and they were going to go back. I think there
were six of them, and four of them ran off,
but they were going to go back and see if
they could hear it again. And before they could get there,
lighting and struck it and burned it to the ground,
so they never got to go back and listen to
the baby.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Yeah, I mean, I hated that about that story. They
wanted to go check it out again.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
But there's a there's a legend that sense of all
tunnel around here there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
We talked about that last time you're on. There's different
versions of that story too, that a guy that that's
named after murdered people and put them in there, and
then the other stories that somebody took one of his
family members murdered him and hit him in the tunnel.
But it's it's a weird place. And then other people
yet said that he just told those stories to keep

(01:29:31):
people out of that tunnel because it was on his
property after it was disused. But I've been up there.
It's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Yeah, I've been there. I've heard that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Money had some of the experiences there. I saw something
in there, heard something, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Even my dad. I mean, there's claims of a bloody
handprimp being put on the when she'll forbidden love between
whether an Indian am and American lady or vice versa,
and then America. You know, they couldn't they wouldn't supposed

(01:30:08):
to be together, and someone found out and ruined.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
All that, and even heard versions of that where they
were both Native American, but they were from different tribes
that weren't supposed to intermingle. And that's the lover's leap
type places. There's one up in the Smokies like that,
or outside the smokes they supposed to old hands and
jumped off there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Yeah, cemeteries. I don't really have a lot of stories.
I kind of know better than that. Mhm. Let's just
ask them for some trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Yeah, strange one in there where they see a little
boy flitting around in there. And I was with somebody
that signed its like I did. Was there just a
little boy looking at us from behind that tree? And
I told her The story was I was there on
a date of all things, and this has been back
in the eighties, and yeah, that end of the date,

(01:31:11):
when haunting cemetery at midnight and there's a little kid
peeking out from behind the tree.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, that's it's time to go. Yeah, but now I
have done some silly things, yea once or tlus, but
light a candle and you know anyone here? But I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
That reminds me that radio show that I was on
last night, All the Phillips. He talked about someplace in California,
some little community where there's a phantom patrol car. Like
people be driving on this back road, a police car,
but it's an old fashioned looking one. Comes up behind
him's got its lights going and stuff. They pull up

(01:32:00):
over and then suddenly it's just gone. There's no place
for it to go. It's it's right there behind you.
The headlights are on the head and then the headlights
go out and there's no car. And I think the
story was that there was a vatroal officer that was
killed on that road or something, and he's there to
warn people or to if you're back there driving fast

(01:32:22):
or doing something you're not supposed to, he'll pull you over.
But then he disappears before you write you a ghost ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
I recently heard of one similar. There was a man
that supposedly took his lap after taking the lives of
some of his family, and he took his lap at
a bridge, and he had been in his truck. I
don't know if he took his lap in the truck
or outside the truck, but he had he drove his

(01:32:49):
truck to the bridge. But the story is is that
there's this truck comes up on you with the flights
just flashing and trying to swerve to get you way,
actually trying to run you off the road. Once you
get to the bridge or on the bridge across it,
the lots, you don't see the lights anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
It's like Clinton rode in New Jersey. There's trucks on
there that just appear out of nowhere to get right
up on your bumper and then just disappear. There's there's
videos on YouTube about that Clinton roade in New Jersey
and Uh, what's the other shades of Death Road? Which
is another creepy place in New Jersey. But I've got
a story that happened to me about a fantom motorcyclist.

(01:33:35):
I was out one night and there was a guy
on a motorcycle with no headlights on and just right
up on my bumper. And I thought, Okay, well he's
lost his ground or something, and you know, the lights
are out, but the motor is still running. And I
stopped at a stop sign I was, and he was
back there. I saw him. When I stopped. I was
gonna get out and go tell him, you know, I

(01:33:56):
see you back here. Stay right behind me, or get
right in front of me. Tell me where you want
to go, and I'll make sure you get there safe.
I get out of the car. There's no motorcycle there.
I couldn't hear a motorcycle or anything. I'm like, aah,
that's weird, little country back road in East Tennessee. I
get back in the car, start driving. A few minutes
there's a motorcycle right behind me again, same thing. I

(01:34:16):
could see the rider of the helmet, no lights on.
And I don't know what all that was about. The
rumor legend that I later heard was that there was
somebody that had been killed on a motorcycle on that
road because he was riding with no lights on. You
have you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Had an experience too of someone approaching you you're walking
down a road.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Yeah, that was all Halloween, no less. And it was
just a lit cigarette, and I thought it was somebody
walking toward me smoking a cigarette. Is that road that
had lived on It dead ended into the lake. A
lot of teenagers would go down there and hang out
the lake. But I was probably still in the single ditch.
It's probably eight nine years old. Heading home for a

(01:35:01):
friend's house Halloween. I could I'm taking a shortcut through
the woods and got home in no time. But it
was dark and it was Halloween. I thought, I'll stick
to the road and I see this looks like somebody
coming smoking a cigarette. And then when it got right
up to me, I could still see the cigarette glowing.
The end of it would flare up like somebody dragging
on it. But there was nobody there. It was just

(01:35:22):
a cigarette and it went right by me and it
went on down the road around the curve, out of site.
So it was either a ghost smoking a cigarette or
the most amazing Halloween practical joke that has ever been done.
I don't even know how you could do something like that.
I mean, you know, if it had just been in

(01:35:43):
one area, maybe on a piece of fish and line
or something they dangled out there. But this was coming
down the road, went past me. I turned around and
watched it go out of sight, so there was there
was no way it was a practical joke or somebody
pulled a prank.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
It's too elaborate to me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, I just stood there, stunned, and then once it
went out of sight, I was like, holy crap, and
I took off running and made it back home. But
that's the scariest thing I've ever seen on a Halloween night.
I think I told that belief whole. I think I
submitted that one for their Halloween Story show last year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Now, something that I guess I'd like to touch on
a little bit is like Past Lives, Former Lives, Reincarnation.
I liked your story. You were telling on a belief whole.
You were a kid, you had been, you were going

(01:36:38):
to Ohio, you had never been, but yet you knew
what was up ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I knew it was I had the weirdest day IVO.
I was like five years old or six years old.
We were on our way to Michigan and we'd gone,
I think the first time we went through Indiana to
visit my dad's sister. The next time we just went
up through Ohio. My parents were antique and they liked
to antique hunt in Ohio. A lot of farm sales

(01:37:05):
and the state sales and things up there. And yeah,
I described a place. I said, yeah, we've been this
way before, Like, no, you have never been in Ohio
the first time. And I said, yeah, just just up
the road a little bit. You go around the curve,
there's a white house sitting there, there's uh in the backyard,
there's a swing set, and then there's also three outbuildings,

(01:37:25):
each a little smaller and then a little bit worse disrepair.
And they just kind of laughed it offful a few
miles down the road, we've been around the curve. There's
the house. I described, the yard, the swing set in
the backyard, and the three out buildings. I'm like, cee
cee see. And my parents didn't know what to say
because I described it, but I had no way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
I believe your grandma would have smiled about that. Yeah,
always got sts because you were born with a call,
you know, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Nail over your face in call or it's just the
amniotic sac was born still stretched over my head and
they had to cut it away. My granny got it.
I don't know what she did with it. I hope
she didn't make soup. But a lot of people, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Some olt man or souper. But there's also like a
little bit of a paranormal side about it too. You
use your second.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Side or you know, that's a belief in Southern Appalachians. Yeah,
that if you're born with a call over your face,
that you you have gifts. And out of all my
granny's grandchildren, and there was a lot because as my
mom and nine boys, the ten kids, and all those
boys were married at least once, some of them several times,

(01:38:46):
so there was a slew of grandkids. But I was
the only one with that particular condition. It's it's not
that I think it's like one in one hundred thousand
or something is born in call. But I don't know.
According to my granny sometimes that I don't have any
way of knowing, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
But she did too, reincarnation stories. When all the parallels
and things are, you know, compared, and it comes out
you can find proof or it's factual. Things people have
said that the places they've never been, names of people,
things that they done, I mean little kids. It usually

(01:39:31):
happens with kids when they're I think between two and
four years old and usually no more than.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Any other talk about their other family and and things
like that. And I've got a video up on thirteen
past midnight, or I did have. I think I lived
up there. Uh. Heather Moser, who's a classics professor at
Kent State in Ohio. One of her kids came out
with some stuff like that, like no the other family
before I came out of the sky and into your belly,

(01:40:01):
that sort of thing, and it's creepy. I'll give you
chills listening to it. I may have taken that down
last year. I redid a bunch of videos over there
and put them back up around Halloween. So if if
that one's down, it'll be back up eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
The past lives reincarnation stories, there's actually some pictures. Now
these are grown men and women. They'll have a particular
scar somewhere on their body and they claim it's from
something that happened in their past life.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
The research, they've seen their blackness of them in books
and find out how they died, and they have a
scar related to how the person that resembles them looks
in the same place, and they have the memories of
that person years before or I mean, you know, they

(01:41:01):
had these memories and then years later they find what
they call proof and evidence. You know, I think it's
fainting hearing all the details.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
I think there's something to all that. I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
I like listening to this interesting. Have you ever had
any dog or cat supernatural occurrences other than the kittens?

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Uh No, not the kittens or the ghost cat that
visited me at the guy's house. Uh no, I'm no
people that have seen that. But there's a story in
stratae Things in the wood cause the dog who wasn't
there like that. A guy had a coon dog, a
coon hound that had I think, had goshed its leg
up or something and got an infection and died. And

(01:41:55):
then it just it would show up and everybody but
the guy who owned it saw it, that lived there,
his parents saw it, his wife and child saw it.
But it would be just like at the edge of
the woodliner going around the corner of the house, and
they'd run over there and there's no dog. But it
was a very specific as you were old not to remember.
Kas Walker Stores right signed the Shears kas Walker grocery

(01:42:22):
Stores and kas Walker was a businessman in Knoxville, had
a chain of grocery stores in East Tennessee and Kentucky
and Virginia and West Virginia. And he also raised hunting dogs,
a walker Hound there. They're still a very desirable, very
expensive hunting dog. But it was one of those they'd

(01:42:43):
used it for hunting, and yeah, it came back, but
he was the only one that didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I don't think we had not that. Usually, you know,
a lot for me. Names will pop up and sometimes
just not anybody got to know personally, just an acquaintance,

(01:43:12):
names will pop up. I had a pet a few
years ago. Her name kept popping up every time I
turn around. Her name was Shelby. Look in the salespaper
have furniture in her The name of one of the
beds was Shelby.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I'm like, seriously, come on me, Yeah, this stuff like that.
I don't think it's a coincidence. It's a synchronicity.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Yeah, even if the dog had been alive, you know,
I would still recognize the name. Oh look, there's a
bed named after you, Shelby. But no, the name just
kept popping up. And there was like several in instances
I sent messages to my mom where I'd screenshot something online.

(01:43:54):
I'm like, again, really, She's like, man, you know, never
knows on after.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
I know a strange, strange stuff. It's like I've heard
of people like they'd be thinking to somebody maybe then
they walk by a payphone and it would ring and
they'd pick it up and it would be the person
they were thinking about had dial the wrong number and
there they are talking together. I mean, that's that's that
can't be a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
I know the phone who is going to be for.
I knew who it was, Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Yeah, I've had that happen, Like I would know the
phone was going to ring before the phone rang, or
I'd get in my car and before I started up,
turned the radio on, I knew what song was going
to be on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Stuff like that. Now that might be something not so strange.
You're supernatural, but radio waves you're somehow in your brain
and you know what song's going to be on there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
I just think it's cool though, even if it is
just a pattern. But what I like doing is thinking
of a song that you haven't heard in ages, and
then there it is, it comes on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I've had that happen a lot too.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
I'd love to get some more stories from some of
my family members. They know things that they're not telling.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Yeah, those are the ones, you know, like if nobody
else is recording them or chronicle them. Once they're gone,
the stories are gone too. That was the impetus behind
strange things in the woods, with all these stories and
legends and stuff that i'd heard, you know that. And
I had that just sort of hit me at my

(01:45:36):
grandmother's funeral. I had an epiphany there that just like,
you know, if all these stories and stuff, because my
cousins didn't care anything about that, ain't in their own kids.
And I thought, you know, if I don't write and
I'm still working on a book about her, if I
don't write this stuff down, you know, that's it. It's
buried with her. And I'd say about ninety five percent

(01:46:00):
of the people that I got those stories from the
Strange Things in the woods. They've all passed on. There's
a few in here that's still alive, but for the
most part, that's their little legacy there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
You know a lot of the knowledge they knew. And
you can be a vessel.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Yeah, this was just something that happened in the woods.
I've got other stories that that was just a theme
that I picked that it had to be strange and
it had to be in the woods. Some of them
are scary, some of them are funny. Some of them
are poignant, like the one about Brewster the bird dog.
But I mean I could do strange things in the sky,
strange things in the city, strange things in the barn.

(01:46:37):
You know, there's all kinds of different Just do this
book of strange things and not given any central thing.
Maybe I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
I love all the superstitions and hearing about the superstitions.
You mentioned Donnie Laws earlier. I don't know if you remember,
but ages ago I sent you a video about phrases,
Southern phrases and superstitions. There's all kinds of stuff in
there on that video. A lot of them I hadn't
heard of, like don't sweep under your feet. I think

(01:47:07):
he said it was something else. But I've always heard
don't sweep, don't sweep under my feet, I won't get married.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's the way I always heard that one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
There's all kinds of someone's funny too, I mean, and
words that Southerners call things. Let's see what was it?
Oh what cat catwampus?

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I talked about that one. And uh there's an Appalachian
video that I've got on I think I moved it
over to missing Persons and mysteries already, and uh yeah,
just some of the normal things. Like my mom was
sending something one time about a window light. Well I
thought it was like a light bulb near the window,
but no, it was the window pane of glass. Was

(01:47:52):
a window light had a brick bat. I never heard
that was just a brick, but some people in the
South call a brick a brick bat? Where that even
comes from?

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Something else? I mean, you have in common is the
number thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Yeah, that's always been my favorite number. It's always been
a lucky number for me and Nicole and I got
married on July thirteenth, so.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
It's also my birthday, seventh lucky month, and lucky Day
seven thirteen. Yep, you have the channel thirteenth past midnight.
You also have a book thirteen. Is there three parts
in that?

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Yeah? There will mention be thirteen volumes of that when
I get around the write and the other ten.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
But you got a plateful and a baby boy on
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Yep. Yeah, really really excited. And I was getting some comments.
I'd announced it on the YouTube channels and people are
saying that this kid is never going to want for stories,
and somebody said he's going to grow up to be
a narrator like you. That'd be awesome. I'd like for
him to carry that legacy on.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Yeah, they could do some voice over.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
The other way. He won't care a thing about it.
He'll think, oh man, my dad's in all this weird stuff. Yeah,
Nicole likes you know, the supernatural stuff too, so that
may cancel out and then he'll be totally normal and
not like anything stranger.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Spoken boys Halloween again, my parents are going to be goofy. Yeah,
you might not even like Halleen because of all the
ardorable stuff the story, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
That's when I celebrate my birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Yeah, yeah, and that's Molder's birthday too, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Yeah, well, I don't really know, but not take he
celebrates his when I celebrate mine. So October thirty first
and thirty one, that's backwards thirteen. So there you go.
Thirteen has always been lucky for me. Back its like
thirty one multiples of thirteen, twenty six, thirty nine, and

(01:50:05):
then you know, thirty nine reversed flipping around and gets
sixty three of the year I was born. You know,
that's one of those things. So I don't know that
it's really numerology or geometry or anything, but it's just
it's easy to connect the thoughts and reverse.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Yeah, my mom enlightens me one day. You know, I
made the comment one day about, oh, you know, I
feel like I'm just all this. You know, good things
will happen, but something always, you know, is a bound
or befalls. Just trust's trumpet, you know, and maybe with anything,

(01:50:48):
but you know, I just make the comment, but I
all feel like I'm cursed. Well, I guess she'd been
kind of wanting to tell me or something. I don't
know how long she'd been wanting to tell it, but
this day it came out. She told me that I
had been playing around on a tombstone when I was
a kid. Uh you know, I kind of remember. I
don't remember it actually falling on me, but I do

(01:51:09):
remember having thing on my leg for a while afterwards.
It missed up my calf or something.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
And that's how you get your cursed and you know,
stuff like that. People can put things on you, but
you can put things on yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
The Bible it says that you you have what you confess.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Okay, sorry, a bunch of recket going on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
All right, while you're gone, I'm going to play a
little bit of music. Here's shutters from Lee g Now

(01:53:47):
no one, no one else already there, all right, then

(01:55:25):
we're back. That was Lee GI for first four audio
and shutters. Well, if you want to, Cathina, we'll go
ahead and wrap it up here tonight. I've actually got
a thing about Appalachia folklore and things that I read
at the beginning, so it'll fill out the time there.
But appreciate you coming back on talking about these ghosts, boogers,

(01:55:49):
witches and hats and the Appalachian region there, the Southern Appalachians.
And again, let people know where they can find you
and what you got.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Going on YouTube dot com. A Ghost Lure YT it's
a paranormal supernatural channel Ghost lur It covers a various
various rare of topics of paranormal supernatural haunted houses, objects, places,
maybe even like missing person cases where psychics help him

(01:56:20):
on the investigations. Just the subject I like. And there's
far too many untold stories I'd like to get told,
or yeah, Southern stories stories for me and everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Yeah. Again, fascinating stuff. Thank you for joining us again.
We'll have to have you back sooner next time. You're
on the first episode, and this is episode thirty, so
we'll try to get you back sooner than thirty weeks
next time. But thanks again, Catheda. I'm going to go
ahead and get us on out of here. You've been
listening to everything out there on the Clyde Lewis Ground

(01:56:58):
zero Radio Network. I'm Steve Stockton. I'll talk to you
next time. I'll see you a little further on down
the trail. Tell your animals, I said, Hi, good night everybody,

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