April 1, 2024 • 47 mins
As the clock strikes eleven and the glow of the studio lights begins to dim, we wrap up another episode of the Mission Men Podcast, laden with laughter, revelations, and the kind of banter that only comes from years of friendship. This time around, we've unearthed the origins of our creative sparks, weaving tales from the nostalgic threads of "Back to the Future" to the rock and roll legends that strummed the chords of our hearts. We share how a summer grounding turned into a musical awakening and how dreams—both sleeping and waking—propel us toward the stars.
Pull up a chair and join our circle as we reminisce about the formative play of our youth that set the stage for a lifelong passion in cinematography and music. You'll hear how toys and video games like Minecraft were the foundations of a career behind the camera. Discover how we learned to craft our art by emulating the greats, and how mentorship from icons like Lamont Dozier shaped the melodies and stories we tell today. It's a candid look into the growth of a creative spirit, from imitation to innovation.
So, as we sign off, remember: it's not just about the tales we've told tonight, but the journey we all take. We invite you to embrace the quirks, the missteps, and the moments of brilliance that define your path. Keep chasing touchdowns in your own game of life, and tune in next time for more stories, insights, and the genuine camaraderie of the Mission Men Podcast. Until then, keep your passions ignited and your missions alive.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Mission Men
podcast brought to you byMission Media Group.
The Mission Men podcast, thepodcast about nothing and
everything.
You know, just you know just alittle bit between Spit it out
(00:22):
or forever hold it within.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have agreat, great episode today.
The boys are back in.
Between Spit it out or foreverhold it within.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have agreat, great episode today.
The boys are back in town.
We're recording this episode.
It's so great to have youBecause, for those watching and
listening, we do these in fourepisodes At a time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, at a time right .
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So this is our first time back.
We're excited.
Yes, John, you okay.
I'm just flipping my hatbackwards.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So the people can see my face.
That made myself laugh, oh myGod.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
All right, paul, your turn.
Huh, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
By the way, paul, you look handsome man, oh my gosh,
when does he not?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
you look handsome man , oh my gosh.
When does he not?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's what I'm saying All the time.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, not to me, you'd be having the fits though
low-key.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The fits.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, you'd be having the fits.
What's the fits?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What's the fits Outfits?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Oh, get the matching track suit the matching this you
know to matching this.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Come on now, you're just dressing always real good.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Ladies and gentlemen, that's actually what we wanted
to bring up first about this.
We have a new sound effect forJohn, because a lot of times it
kind of gets old when John justgoes on his things.
Doesn't get old though.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, when he does that, the sound effect.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We've kind of incorporated this just to kind
of bring some new life into thatwhole kind of bit thing.
So, john, this is your time.
We're gonna give you like 15seconds to talk about whatever
you want.
Just go random, yeah, go rightnow.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I was walking through a pumpkin patch one day and all
of a sudden I saw this kid runoff the slide and and I said why
don't you build with instead ofcottage cheese?
You need to go to the spinachroute.
So I at that moment took thewood from Lowe's Depot and I
said that is where I draw theline, mr Crab, until you get off
my front yard and we let youcook in the kitchen.
For real sake.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So anyways, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Here we go, wait, wait, wait.
What's?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Lowe's Depot.
Lowe's Depot.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Lowe's Depot.
What's Lowe's Depot?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh, Lowe's Depot.
They sell bushes Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, they're beans Guys for real.
We got a great show today.
I'm so random, sorry thatcaught me.
Funny, that was great.
So we're going to talk about acouple things today.
First of all, I don't know ifyou guys have seen the episode
where John talked about his flagfootball team, and we are doing
great by the way, I'm like the.
(02:57):
MVP.
Perfect, and we're going to getinto that, because we talked
about that a little bit whereJohn was going to be the star
starting quarterback, where hethrew 10 out of 11.
It went touchdown, touchdown,touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Everything was dimes.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Everything was dimes, it was perfect.
So we're going to dive in thatto kind of catch up and see how
things are going in regard.
Yeah, let's catch up.
And then we're going to talkabout dreams a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because we actually had a cool conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We did.
I don't know if I want to talkabout all the dreams I have.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I definitely don't want to talk about your dreams,
because your alive thoughts arereally scary.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Just imagine when you're sleeping.
We don't want to, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I don't want to be in that demented world at all.
It's like a live Tim Burtonmovie.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But so we're going to talk about like how.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Who's Tim Burton?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Exactly so we're going to talk about how.
Who's Tim Burton Exactly?
So.
We're going to talk about howPaul and I got into our music
world, and then we're going totalk to John and see kind of how
he got his love for filmmaking,and then we're just going to
kind of see where we all camefrom, because we actually had a
really cool conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We did.
We thought it'd be fun to dothat on the pod.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So all right, John.
So last time that we talkedabout your flag football team
again, just give us a quickrecap you know just kind of what
you were saying in that episodehow that practice went just
real quick.
Just for anybody that didn'tget a chance to watch that
episode just real fast I mean, Idon't like to compare myself,
but I'm a Hall of Famer In thatpractice.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I showed out, I put up and I did great.
I had like 10.
Are you guys on your phones?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I'm getting the videos ready, so go ahead.
So I want to make sure you guysare listening to me?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
We're listening.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
You want to make sure thatwe're listening?
Yes, okay, you want to makesure that we're listening?
Yes, okay, all right, we'relistening Anyway.
So, yeah, I did great.
You know, 10 out of 11 catthrows and, yeah, I did pretty
good.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, and you were telling us you're like the first
starter.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
QB Starting QB Absolutely, I was very confident
yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, so here's.
The cool thing is that John wasnice enough to invite me, paul,
to his game.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Thank you for coming.
Yeah, of course it was hard tosee you amongst all the fans
that were also there for me.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was sworn, but I'm glad I found you.
Absolutely Everybody chantedyour name.
It was almost like the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, I love them.
That's a bad holiday.
Especially when they're allbooing.
Great yeah, oh yeah, especiallywhen they're all booing, right
yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I got to the game, paul, and I'm like, okay, great
, I'm excited to see their teamplay.
I know a bunch of the guys onthe team, so I was really
excited.
I'm expecting John to just beready to go.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's going to show out.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Rare form Right and I found something interesting.
John didn't even start.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wait a minute, john didn't even start, he was on the
sidelines and I have proof.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have proof.
So I have a video that I'mgoing to play and we'll have
this play on the video for youguys and everybody.
I'll play the audio as well, sothat you can listen and hear.
So let's do it right here.
Are we starting QB tonight?
Yeah, we're starting QB.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, this guy behind me wants to play QB, but
he's watching for now.
I mean, he's a retired nurse,so we've got to make sure he
stays clean and healthy.
Okay, yeah, but yeah, big dayahead of us and I like to
compare myself to Nick Bear andmake sure I go hard every day.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I don't know who that is.
You don't know who Nick Bear is.
No, who's Nick Bear?
I don't know.
Okay, so are you starting QB?
That's the question.
That's what everybody wants toknow.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Am I starting QB?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
What so so?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I'm doing an interview style with John, and
then he quickly goes over toIsaac, who we'll actually be
having an interview with here onan upcoming pod, and he quickly
turned that down.
So explain to me why he seemedlike that was not going to
happen.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I just don't know.
I mean to tell you I wasdistraught, speechless,
heartbroken.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You were heartbroken, I was heartbroken.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Paul.
Wow, it drove me to tears.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Did you cry?
No, no, of course not.
Why would I do that dry tears?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
yeah, it drove you to dry tears, oh dry, not wet in
the slightest and I was very onthe bridge of crying and uh.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
But you know.
Anyways, I carried on thebridge of crying on the verge.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Thank you sorry I like the crying bridge.
The crying bridge was so muchbetter.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yes, go for it.
You know they like the song.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, yeah, whatever song that is um anyways, yep um,
but I was sad, I was like well,you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
It's time to carry on and be a leader.
You know, if I'm not gonna beon time to carry on and be a
leader, if I'm not going to beon the field.
I'm going to be a leader offthe field.
Did you ever play QB on thisgame?
I did.
I have a video.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, yeah, we got some videos.
We got some more, so let'scheck out this.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He plays QB.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Okay, Okay.
So as a starting quarterback,they're actually having you sit
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, well, as a part of being a really good leader
and an MVP, you have to takeresponsibility in your hand, and
part of that is letting otherpeople go first.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, that's right.
So, yeah, the first shall belast, last shall be first, right
?
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And there's a real biblical truth to that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'll be ready over here, you know, I'll be ready
over here you know Just whenthey need you, maybe because
you're too good, maybe that'swhat it is.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Okay, so you got the right attitude there.
Yeah, yeah, great attitude.
You got to adapt, and footballis a big sport of adapt.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
A big sport of adapt.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
okay, we're here, we're here, I'm serious, okay,
here we go, we're back, we'reback, we're back here we're back
.
We're back.
Here we go.
Are you all adapted?
No, I'm adapt.
Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So, yeah, you know, I just had to get back into it
and kind of just let you know,kind of let it, you know, roll
off me a little bit, yeah, and Ichose to get in the right
mindset and once I got, thishappens right, okay, so you're
on the field, let's do aplay-by-play, so you're on the
(09:29):
field.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yep, so here he is and you're playing qb now, right
?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
yeah, that is me with the white glove, like michael
jackson.
All right, so there you go.
Go snap balls coming soonthere's all the snap.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, brandon, I'm sorry, all right here.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Sorry, okay, snap the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
High in the air.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
High in the air and another team catches it.
You threw it.
It looks like an interception.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, it was.
It was a dot pass, though.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To the other team.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay, still called it , but a good throw though Did
you see the arm on me.
But it still called aninterception.
Did you see my?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
arm.
I did see your arm and that wasimpressive.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Thank you, that was impressive, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'll give that part to you.
You know, it actually wouldhave been a really good play if
the other team wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I know, and that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So if they weren't there, kind of.
From that moment on I I neverplayed quarterback again all
right, so for real, though.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So how's the team been doing since that?
That was the first game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Okay, so you guys, what's your record right now?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
we are.
I wish we were undefeated, butyou're not.
We are two and three.
You want to so, but here's thething.
So we are here's the deal,thank you.
Uh, we are two and three.
We have won two games.
We have lost three games.
That's what two and three means.
Yeah, cool, I didn't know that,just want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
On the same page, yeah right so oh how didn't I
hear something about the two andthree like the two wins.
I heard somebody said you didwin two games but you weren't at
the two games.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yes, I have in fact not been there for a game that
we've won yet, but there isstill hope.
And now some might speculate.
There's a common denominatorthere is.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So you won when you weren't there and you lose when
you're there.
Yeah't there?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
yeah, yeah yeah, you got that right, paul.
All right, you got that right,so why?
Do you think that is man?
It's got to be isaac.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He sucks so was isaac .
I'm just kidding okay was isaacat the games you won uh yeah,
he was, and you were not at thegames you won, right.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So here's the thing, though.
Here's the thing we have playedthe top four ranked people the
last four times, wow, okay outof how many teams out of eight,
I believe, and so that's not bad.
For our first season.
We're gelling as a team.
(12:07):
We're understanding each other,what we're good at, what we're
bad at.
We're really learning what I'mbad at and what I'm bad at, and
then we're figuring this out.
We're getting our chemistrytogether.
Two and three, first season.
Yeah, give us some luck, youknow.
But, we're going to get betterand this next game, game.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I have high hopes because we should be playing
more NARPs.
Like us NARPs.
What are NARPs?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Non-Athletic Rejected People.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Did you just make that up?
Maybe, the rejected part.
Wow, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Nice, I love that sound effect so much.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh man.
Okay, John, thanks for lettingus have an update.
Love the update, Thank you sostay tuned.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
The next game is coming up here soon and we'll
have to find out how I do on thenext one, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, oh man, that was some good laughs, Okay cool.
Well, that was fun.
I appreciate you letting us dothat I have scored one touchdown
.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Let's not forget that you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Actually, all right, we have that I think I saw that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Let's be fair, let's be fair.
John's been a really good sport, so here I'm going to rewind it
just a little bit and thenwe'll show it in the video.
John puts a juke.
Oh A nice little.
That was a nice little stutter.
Stop, yeah, hesitation, yeah alittle hezy.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Here's the problem, though, with that.
I can't fully take credit forthat move, because I thought
someone had already taken myflag so I just completely
stopped because I thought I wasalready down.
I did not, in fact, do thatmove on purpose.
It, however, tricked the otherperson because of my low IQ and
we scored.
So you know we're growing.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You heard her about the playing to the whistle.
You play to the whistle.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right, you never stop .
I couldn't hear.
I saw red, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay, there you go so .
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I love you guys.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I love you too, no hey, listen, we appreciate you
being a good sport, we're justhaving fun, and it's it is
important to be able to laugh atyourself and just have a good
time, and that's an importantskill to have and a lot of
people don't have that, do nothave that skill.
So we appreciate you, thank you.
Let us have a little bit of alaugh there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's fun.
It's a good time.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah Well, hey listen , you're only going to get
better.
You said you're actuallyinterested in maybe starting to
watch some football now, maybeto learn a little bit.
So you're only going to getbetter from here, because you
are actually a very good athlete.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I joke about it.
I've been watching a lot offootball, especially from the UK
and England.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Uh-huh, yeah, isn't that a?
It's soccer, soccer, but um.
They call it football though.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It is weird, it's soccer.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, it doesn't really look like football, does
it?
Yeah, no, I didn't really learnanything.
Fair enough, there you go Allright.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
so we wanted to have a kind of a cool conversation
just about how, um, you, um, youknow, kind of how our dreams
came about.
And, uh, there's really,there's really no good way to
segue from what we were justtalking about, so I'm just going
right into it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Well, it's in my dreams that I actually score a
touchdown on purpose soon okay,well, there you go, there you go
follow your dreams, follow yourdreams into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Um, but no, we were actually having a really cool
conversation.
Um, just, I was telling theguys about some things that
actually do you, paul, do youremember how that started?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I can't remember we were texting, I think yeah, I
can't remember what the how itstarted.
I think you sent me a song andwe were going back and forth
with some music we were workingon and oh, because it was, uh,
didn't we say something aboutlike back to the future?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
and then that's kind of how I said, how I there's
like a video of me when I wasyounger Is that okay.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think I remember that yes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So for those who don't know, one of my favorite
movies of all time is Back tothe Future.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Have you seen?
Have you seen, or is it reallymy all-time favorite movie?
Oh wait, that's your favoriteof all time, all time.
Are you serious?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All time disconnected .
Speaker 3 (16:00):
for some every time it comes on television I have to
watch it oh, my gosh paul.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I already loved paul like a million times, but like
now it's a million and two doyou love me?
If you do say yes, but um so II just love that movie growing
up I so have you seen that, john?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
have you seen back to the future a million times?
No, youown Up.
So have you seen that?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
John, have you seen Back to the Future Million times
?
No, you haven't.
Have you seen it, maybe?
Okay, it's about the highschool kid.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Okay, before we say this, I need to bring this up.
Paul, you were there, Isupposedly.
Well, I did.
I butchered how I describedFull House in the Full House
episode.
Yes, I butchered how I describedFull House in the Full House
episode.
So I want to apologize for theperson who brought that up, and
they know who they are.
We were in the praise team roomand somebody came up to me and
was like dude, you tried todescribe Full House and you just
(16:55):
butchered it.
It's not even close to what itwas.
I'm like, yeah, you're right,you're not far off.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I've seen Back to the Future a couple of them.
You're not far off.
I've seen Back to the Future acouple of them.
How many are there in total?
There's three.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I've seen two of them .
Okay, so tell me, I want tohear your synopsis of Back to
the Future.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh boy, I didn't really pay that much attention.
We might be exposing me alittle bit right now.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I know.
That's why I asked.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It was cool, we got Marty, our boy the scientist oh
hey.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Marty, yeah, you know , there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Marty McFly Williams.
I'm finna bomb this mouse tohell.
Yeah, so we have Martyscientist Williams.
John, pull up the meme, I'llteach these guys through the
video.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
once I see, there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Marty McFly Williams.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Wait, why is it Williams?
What's the Williams?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's not Williams, fly, it stops oh, you guys know
marty mcfly yes, yes never mind,I'll put that in post.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's a video of a kid skateboarding down a hill and
he falls at the end, and it's anold meme okay, okay, so
separate it back to the future.
Back to back to the future.
Guys are marty the scientists.
Okay, uh, we got a delorean car.
Uh, that's very cool.
They use it to time travel.
The scene I remember Is wherethey go back To a high school
reunion or prom, maybe.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
High school dance, dance.
Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And that's about as much as I remember.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I mean, that's that works for me.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, no, I'm good with that Two dudes Time
traveling being homies In theDeLorean.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, wow, um, yeah.
So favorite movie growing up,loved it and, uh, I always
wanted to be marty mcfly always,I mean like for halloween I was
marty huh.
Keep dreaming no, I, I agree, I, marty mcfly is like the
coolest dude who's ever existedand I still that's.
My goal is to be marty mcfly,and um, so I grew up just loving
(18:42):
that movie.
I mean, I literally, Iliterally dressed up as Marty
McFly like four different timesas a kid for.
Halloween, you goon?
Oh dude, for real.
And so I was telling Paul thatthere was a video.
There is a video of me and Idon't have access to it, I don't
even know if it exists anymore,but I remember watching it on
VHS of me as a three-year-oldkid in a diaper, on vhs of me as
(19:09):
a three-year-old kid in adiaper.
And so there's a scene, john,where he's playing, um, a song
at that dance.
He's, he's the guitar playerand he does this whole routine
and and it's so cool becausehe's like playing like an 80s
guitar, like just ripping,shredding and then like all
these people from 1950 are likewhat in the world 1955?
And so, um.
So I as a kid, I just love thatscene so much that I actually
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like memorized the whole thingreally and yeah, oh yeah.
So I I like put up like acardboard box, I set it up there
, that was my amp, that I wouldkick over and I would, I would
just, I had all the movementsand everything memorized and I
was like man.
I wonder if that's where my lovefor music kind of started was
from that scene in that movie,but yeah, so I got super into
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that.
But the funny thing was I wastelling Paul and you too is that
no one in my family was musical.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And that was remarkable for me when you said
that because you're you're sotalented musically speaking,
production guitar the whole nineyards.
You're so super talented and itwas wild.
We were texting and we weregoing back and forth and you
told me the story of kind ofyour music beginnings yeah, and
being grounded.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think you said right oh, yeah, but you have to
tell the story about that.
Oh, of course, of course, I'lltell you all.
I will tell all, but yeah, no.
So I grew up, you know, I gotmy first electric guitar at 11
and didn't really know what Imean.
I knew chords and stuff and Iplayed for church, but very
basic, nothing challenging atall, just very, very simple.
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You had a good heart.
I had a good heart, well, maybe, but yeah, no, I had a good
heart and I was trying to learn,trying to grow, and then so,
finally, it all happened betweenmy junior and senior year of
high school.
I was caught making out with mygirlfriend at the time.
(21:05):
Yep, yep Sure.
And so my parents, being very,very strict, grounded me for the
entire summer.
I mean literally from the dayschool was over to the day
school started the next year, itwas just three months of yeah,
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so I mean couldn't leave thehouse, nothing.
I mean obviously I went tochurch and stuff like that, but
you know, whatever Couldn'tground you from Jesus, no,
that's true, I feel you, I'vebeen there the groundings oof.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I made a lot of mistakes when I was a teenager
and I got grounded a lot forthem.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So I've it a lot for them.
So I've, yes, getting groundedsucked, yes, and so you, you,
you know, you're aware.
So so it was about halfwaythrough that, um, where my dad
started feeling bad for me.
So he's like, all right, well,I'm gonna like get him like a
cool video or something orwhatever, like you know, just to
kind of help him pass the timeso he got me, um, a history of
rock and roll docu-series orsomething, wow, and it's just
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showing Pete Townsend of the whoand Jimi Hendrix and just all
these amazing great guitarplayers.
It's like, oh, that's reallyreally cool.
But then it comes to this oneguy and he's doing something and
for those listening, he wasusing both of his hands to play
on the guitar, but he wasn'tusing a pick, he was using it on
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the fretboard and he was doingsomething.
And I'm like that is thecraziest, coolest thing I've
ever seen and I'm gonna learn it.
And so I I got from that moment.
It was almost like a, you know,like a ground zero moment where
you just like you remember whereyou were, what you, you know
what you were wearing, all thatkind of stuff.
And so I was there.
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I'm like I'm gonna learn it,I'm gonna go crazy.
So this was the era, so thiswas in 2004, this was in 2004
two years after I was born.
Oh my god, oh, wow, wow, dude.
Oh my gosh, that's insane.
I'm old, yeah, I'm old, yeah,I'm old too.
So from that point I'm like,okay, how do I figure this out?
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So again, this is 2004.
Youtube had just started, andso I'm like, okay, I figured out
who the guy was.
The guy for anybody listeningwho knows it was Eddie Van Halen
from the band Van Halen.
And again, the resources backthen were not great.
So what I literally did was Iwould find videos of him and I
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would literally hit the spacebar and then hit the space bar
real quick just to watch wherehis fingers were.
That's amazing.
And then I would just do thatover and over again until I
learned and I'm like, okay,because they did have tabs, at
least Do you know what tabs are.
Yeah, so for guitar tabs,pretty much, it's like if you're
going to play something, youplay on this fret, on this
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string, so at least you can kindof figure out where it is.
But it doesn't teach youtechnique or timing or anything,
it just shows you where thenotes are being played.
So I actually went to thosevideos and I kept hitting the
space bar, I mean literally.
I'd be like like that and you'relearning, yeah, the licks, I'm
learning the licks solos, the,so the solos and I'm watching
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eat where his hand's going andobviously the video this was in
1984, 1980, so the quality ofthe video, I mean you know the
quality of video.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You're talking about VSH at that time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Absolutely so.
The quality is not great, soI'm just constantly just like
slowing it down, because now onYouTube, you can go on there and
they've got full videos whereit's like okay, here's the lick.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Here's what you do, all that kind of stuff, and it
even categorizes the segments ofthe video.
Exactly here's the Right.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly here's the right, yeah, here's the fast
part, here's the slow part, orwhatever.
So I was constantly just doingthat over and over and over
again until I finally startedlearning it, and I just kept
practicing and practicing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You tell me you did this and that was kind of at the
age of 17 yeah, yeah and that'swhere everything started for
you musically.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I got super.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, that's almost quasi-genius status for me when
I think about it.
That's a big statement for himto make.
But here you are.
You're literally learning howto play your craft from YouTube
videos.
Yeah right, and everything thatyou're doing now is because of
that.
If you hadn't been grounded,think about it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Right, I know you just have the drive to
self-start that and learn it,yeah, which is some major props
to you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
That's amazing, and to see where you are now and
what you're doing?
Yeah, because it comes fromzero lessons.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, You're self-taught and family like zero
.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
No family like same with my family there's no music
person in there and are myfamily either.
But it's amazing when you thinkabout okay, here you are,
you're self-taught, yeah, you'redoing all this, and to see what
you're doing now, andcommercials and television and
you know cues and movies, youknow the music you hear and what
a cue is.
Is the music you hear behindright movies and television.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He does so much of that stuff exceptionally well
but that's amazing to thinkabout it, that you, it's just
self-taught yeah, I I mean, likeyou know I I was telling paul I
did do like a little bit.
I mean, like when I first gotthe guitar I got like lessons
for like six months and I justkind of like this.
I fizzled out.
Well, I stopped playing.
I was like okay, you know Idon't, I don't really care for
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this.
I'm not really learning as muchas I'd like, because I mean,
when you start an instrument Ithink you can attest to it's
like uh, you know you, you wantit to go fast you just want to
start learning.
You want to get right to the.
You want to get right to thegood stuff and you can't.
You just can't do that.
So but yeah, no, that's that'show I started learning like
music theory and stuff, andbecause a lot of people when
they learn instrumentsespecially now it's so easy just
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to learn to play licks orchords but to not understand,
like why you're playing thosechords.
So I started asking thosequestions like okay, why is he,
why is he playing this at thispoint?
So then in college I actuallygot really into the beatles like
big time.
So what I started doing was Iwould take a song per day and
what I would do is I'd writedown the lyrics and then over
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the lyrics, I'd write down thechords that they were playing
and then I would write down theindividual melodies of what
they're actually singing overthose words.
And I did that every day.
I did it it for the first fiveor six albums of the Beatles,
and so I'm like all right,because I'm going to, and the
reason why I chose the Beatlesis because obviously they've
left Pentacle yeah right.
(27:38):
They've left a legacy that istimeless, right?
So I'm like, okay, those guysdid something, right?
So I'm going to study them likecrazy.
So yeah, that's what I did.
I started writing down and I'mlike, and I started, seeing
patterns and I'm like, oh,that's nuts.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I mean, no, you know, when I tell you how crazy that
is, that is, that is reallycrazy.
I mean your journey is supercrazy because I think and we
were texting about this yeah,we're going.
I was like my journey wascompletely different because,
yeah, I will lessons, you know,since five years old.
Yeah, lessons, lessons afterlessons after lessons, going to
high school playing in everyband, every band, every band.
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Yeah, going to college formusic, lessons, lessons, lessons
.
I think we still we kind ofended up in the same similar
places.
Yeah, but it's just justamazing, the two different, the
two different journeys yeah um,you can.
you can come from the the wholeschool side of things, and
that's cool and you can reachthe same dream, though.
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And that's what we were talkingabout where you can reach the
same dream, but do it completelydifferent.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and I think that's what's so cool, because
we were comparing back and forth.
It's so cool to see how Godbrought you along on your
journey and then how I startedmy journey too.
And I mean, here's the wholepoint of this thing is you get
out of what you put intosomething right, and so I think
that's what Paul learned as akid, that's what I learned as a
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kid.
It's like, how bad do you wantit Right when it comes to your
dream and what you want to do?
So I, and obviously God putsthat in our hearts right.
And the great thing is, thereally great thing is that
because of Mission Media Group,because of our church and what
we're involved in, what we'redoing, we're able to give those
gifts back to the LordAbsolutely and serve Him and
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help other people come to knowhim through our gifts that he's
given us.
And obviously you know there isa combination of us having to
do the work right.
You know there's hard work thatwe have to put in to grow and
just like.
So, john, I'd love to hear,like your story too, of kind of
how you really got the love ofvideo and because obviously you
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know Paul, and I Because it'ssimilar.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It is yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're at the beginning stages of your, of
your dream and what you're doing, but you, but you're realizing
your dream right, and so I I'dlove to hear how you got
interested in it.
And then, how did you start?
Because obviously, paul, and Ithink just insanely high of your
work and your quality.
I mean, you're right there, man, it's, it's incredible work and
we're blessed to work with you,but yeah, no, please.
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I'd love to hear your journeyand your story.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Well, the journey is still unfolding, it's still
coming to be, but I guess if Ihad to put a start on it or a
mark on it first, whenever Itell people how I developed this
passion for what I do, uh, itkind of always seemed to go back
to when I was a little kid.
(30:33):
Uh, I would play with likelegos and and um different, like
action figures and stuff youknow um, but instead of how
normal kids like you know playwith them and say Billy Joel the
Dark Lord, fight, fight, hit,hit.
You know all that.
Billy Joel the Dark Lord.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I didn't even mean to do Billy Joel the artist.
Is that a singer?
Billy Joel?
Yeah, Billy Joel was a singer,Sorry.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Turn the lights on Dark Lord.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
The Dark.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Lord, anyway.
So that was unintentional, butI so that was unintentional, but
I didn't play like that.
What I did was I would just buyall these toys.
Yeah, uh, shout out, grandma,because that was not my money um
.
I would set up those toys justin a certain way, and a look
yeah and I would leave it therefor like two weeks and just
every once in a while go look atit again and show mom and dad,
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show nanny, show friends.
That's all I did, wow.
Never moved them, never talkedor acted them out.
I would just set up like a setand just be like oh, that looks
cool, you know and then you weredone, that was it yeah, for the
next week or two weeks justleave it up yeah and then tear
it down and start somethingagain.
so that was kind of like whatBrandon said my, I think, my
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ground zero, where I kind ofinitially started the creative
mindset there in which today,now it transpires to.
I set up, looks in front of thecamera, I filmed them, I take
them home and I edit them and Iput them together for people to
watch and you sit back and Icreatively saw that when I was a
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kid and now I kind ofcreatively see that now as where
I am.
And so I think it all stemmedfrom that and I think the Lord
used that opportunity to kind ofshow me that at the beginning
and then, as I got older, Istopped playing with toys, but
then I went into Minecraft.
This sounds so stupid.
It's a millennial descriptionisn't it?
(32:31):
no, I get it but I went intominecraft and most people on
minecraft play minecraft inwhat's called survival mode.
Yeah, I'm trying to keep it foreverybody here, but minecraft, I
know I'm just so yeah, quicklyexplain what that means
minecraft is a game that's stillpretty popular, was popular a
lot more a little while ago andbasically you're either playing
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survival or creative, and insurvival your goal is to survive
.
So you acquire wood bypickaxing at wood and collecting
wood.
Then you make a fireplace andyou make food for your shelter.
You make shelter, you have acertain lifespan, you have to
make food.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You survive.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Then creative is you do whatever you want, you have
no limitations of having tosurvive and you can build your
own world you can.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Build your own world, you can create things.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But Minecraft was predominantly popular to survive
and play survival mode.
But I would do creative.
I never mode, okay, but I woulddo creative.
I never did survival.
I would do creative to buildthings.
So I would build all kinds ofstuff the ohio state stadium,
neighborhoods, houses, yeahdifferent things.
And again I would creativelyplace things in the right spot
and make them look asprofessional as I could right, I
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was pretty good at it um, butso that was kind of through my
teenage years, okay.
And then later I started workingat church.
I did videos at church on asmall level and I didn't really
realize that I liked it, becausethe things I was doing there at
first wasn't really that fun orcreative.
It was just to help at church,right, it was work, and then, as
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I progressed, the Lord reallyput on my heart to start doing
stuff for myself and buy yourown camera, try it out.
Isaac, my best friend, he had adude who was having a wedding
and they're like, well, john,kind of filmed before.
He could probably film yourwedding and probably do it for a
cheaper price than anybody else, because people charge like
$12,000 for weddings now.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
For the videos, for the videos, for the video, yeah
right.
So I picked up a camera, feltlike it was a lord calling me.
I had lots of different peopletelling me to get a camera.
I got a camera, filmed thewedding and then after that I
kind of just fell in love withfilmmaking, and I wouldn't say
just videography, even thoughit's kind of specific.
I like to call myself acinematographer and I like
cinematography which iscinematic.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I call yourself a cinematographer.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I like cinematic video, which is what that word
means and so, yeah, I just kindof developed a passion through
it and found out the Lord reallywas calling me to that.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So during that time, how did you start developing
your skills?
What was your double clickingthe space bar?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
youtube video was it youtube?
But you've studied a lot on howdid you?
How did you?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
yeah, so youtube um, but I never watched, like a lot
of I never like tutorials Inever watched tutorials because
I hated tutorials and I hatedsitting through and being
patient and waiting for theanswer and learning so what I
did do was I just watchedpeople's work like whether it be
finished products yeah,people's movies, people's looks,
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people's different YouTubevideos, their short films, like
I studied what was the mosttrending, most creative looks
that I was like, oh man, thatlooks so dope and that looks so
different, Like stuff like that.
I would study that, watch it onlunch break, watch it for
breakfast, watch it for dinner,watch it when I'm bored.
I watched it like 24 seven likeconsumed it Right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
And then through that I might not have known all the
words technical solutions, youknow all the operating knowledge
of the camera.
But then through I was able toknow okay, I saw he did this,
I'm gonna do this and I'm gonnaincorporate this shot and this
shot.
And then I just went out andfilmed, like I filmed so much
stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Then when I got the first camera, I just filmed like
everything so when you weredoing that, were you like saying
oh man, I just saw this reallycool shot, now I'm gonna try to
go replicate it, or what wasyour kind of your process?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
yeah.
Yeah, I think I never was acopy cat, uh, but I always kind
of saw looks that I liked frommultiple people and then kind of
them together, mixed themtogether well, and that's really
similar with how music goes, Imean I don't know about you paul
.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But like for me, like in my story, I found somebody
that I was like oh man, I lovetheir playing, so I'm gonna
learn what they're doing and howthey're doing it, and then I'm
going to incorporate it into myown expression, or how I would
do it, you learn from the greatsand then you kind of make your
own you do and I think, similarto me, you're not taught
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producing in college.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You're not taught how to produce a record.
That's not taught anywhere.
Maybe some more now with thetechnology, they teach you a
little bit more now, but back inthe day, when I was in college,
I mean, production wasn'tactually taught and if you
wanted to be a producer, it waslike one of those rare things
and I was the guy that boughtthe albums and I would read all
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the credits.
I knew every producer and Istudied these producers.
So what I would do is this wasbefore.
You have to remember, this wasbefore the age of computers.
I had an eight-trackreel-to-reel tape and what I
would do is I would literallyreplicate.
I'd hear a record, I'dreplicate that production note
for note.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So, David.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Foster was one of my favorite producers.
I'd hear a record.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'd replicate that production note for note.
So David Foster was one of myfavorite producers and I would
listen to whatever song it wasif it was a Chaka Khan song or
whatever the song was.
Listen to the song and I wouldwant to play it.
I played it exactly how I heardit and I put all the parts down
exactly as I heard it and Ipanned things exactly how I
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heard it and I wanted toreplicate that production yeah,
and that's how I learned how toproduce because there was no way
to.
It's kind of the way I think weall have that similar story.
Yeah, you know you, you know we, we feel like we've got you
know these giftings and we juststill know kind of how do we
hone this?
Because there's no way toactually learn it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do you still have those, like you know?
Oh my gosh, you like thoseoriginal, real, real those real.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't know where those reels are and I have I
have dat tapes of stuff yeahyeah I would put on dat tape and
I would actually that wasdigital audio tape back in the
80s, right, right, I would havedat tapes of.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think I may have still have some of that stuff
that would be so cool to likelisten to and just, you know,
just to see, like, okay, I knewexactly where I was, I was
learning this, I was trying todo that, like that would be so
cool to like break down thatwould be great if I can find it.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, if you can find it right, but that's but that's
you know, kind of from my storyfrom a production standpoint.
That's how I actually learnedhow to produce and then,
learning how to write music wasanother thing.
They don't.
They didn't teach you that incollege, right, like how do you
don't?
They didn't teach you that incollege, right, like how do you
write a song?
They didn't teach you that incollege.
So I was really, reallyfortunate when I moved to
California, to um, was there formaybe a year or so, and a
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friend of mine, engineer, Ihappened to meet him.
I don't know where I met himfrom.
His name was Reggie, reggie'sgreat, great engineer.
He goes, oh you know, and thatwas my first computer.
I had a Mac SE that had like ahalf a megabyte of RAM and that
was like the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh, my goodness A half a megabyte of RAM.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Sometimes I feel like my PC has the same, though
Probably does.
512k was about all I had inthat thing and that was the
fastest computer at the time andI started cutting my chops on
sequencing and stuff.
And he said oh, you need to meetmy brother.
You need to meet my brother.
I'm like I don't know who yourbrother is.
So he says, come, come to thisaddress.
(40:06):
Yeah, and I got there and he's,and I'm, I'm in this really
amazing studio in encino,california, and his brother
comes out.
His brother, his, his brother'slamont dozier oh, so I don't
know if you know who lamontdozier is, but holland dozier.
Holland was the writing teamfor all the Motown hits in the
60s.
He's the Dozier of the Holland,dozier, holland.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Oh, wow, like Stop in the.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Name of Love, all those songs, sugar Pie, honey
Bun.
He wrote all that stuff, wow.
I wish so my chops as aproducer and a writer would be
studying under him.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, and that's how that happened.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean that kind of thing, is a little different.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I mean that's.
You know, that kind of thing iskind of you know it's a little
different.
I mean that's really cool,though, because in your journey
you found someone that almostsounds like, kind of took you
under your wing a little bit andwas, like you know maybe not to
that extent, but just like youknow showing you tricks and tips
.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But you know what it mostly was.
It wasn't showing me tricks andtips.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
It was was being in the room.
It was being in the room, well,and that's a really cool thing
because, john, in the audioindustry, you know, there's some
actually I should probably saythere's a lot of people that are
very secretive about like their, their settings.
Yes, yeah, everything's asecret, everything's a secret
don't steal my compressorsettings or what you know,
whatever outboard gear stuff soit's.
It's actually cool thatsomebody was like open enough
just to like yeah here.
(41:22):
here's how I do it.
You can just sit and watch.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Even you guys have mentored me a lot too and helped
me develop my skills, and youknow both of you have sharpened
me and helped me grow and learn.
So I think that's a big part ofdeveloping your passion is
being around the right people.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Finding the right one , connections as peers to help
you practice your skill, butfinding the right connection who
are a little older than you toto help you, to help coach you
and kind of like you said be inthe setting Right.
You know, like I can rememberwhen you put me in a place where
I was in a, like you know, witha crew and with like a full set
for production.
I had never been in that and Iwas like this is cool, but it
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helped me learn a ton.
So, yeah, and connections is isvery important.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
So Paul, I was going to ask you I think this is going
to be a really cool discussionwhat?
What is something that I mean?
Obviously, there's probably alot of people listening.
Well, let's, let's be realthere's not a lot of people
listening, but no one listensbut there are probably some
people listening that maythere's a few that may not be
where they are or where theywant to be.
And again, I know I'm not whereI want to be yet.
(42:28):
I know you're not, but we'reprobably a little bit further
along.
So what's something that you Imean even to like John, where
he's still got a ton of goalsand things like what would you
say are some like really goodpieces of advice, or one piece
of advice that you would give tosomeone that's like kind of you
know they're, they're reallyworking on their craft, they're
growing, they're getting strongin their skills, and you know
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what would you say to them?
It's don't give up don't giveup.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, keep going.
I mean you just, keep doing it.
I mean because I out of didn'tout of the yeses I received,
there was a whole bunch of no's.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, yeah, and you can't get discouraged over the
no's.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You got to keep going and you'll get a yes, and then
you'll get another yes.
And eventually the yeses willstart to stack up.
That's good, right, but youhave to understand the no's.
Oh my gosh.
Oh yeah, if I had stopped atthe first five no's, I would
have been done with music.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know in high school.
Yeah, that's a really great.
Because no?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
no, it was always no.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
That's a really great advice.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah, so you know the no's turn into yes's, and you
just can't give up.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah if it's your passion, right, right,
especially if you love it, itmakes you happy doing it
absolutely.
And I would say for me, like ifI had to give advice, uh, the
one thing that I wish that Icould go back and tell you know
my younger self is right, it'sall who you know I mean just
relationships are keyrelationships and and not not
(43:56):
only just who you know.
You're right, it's arelationship is building those
relationships.
It's going and putting yourselfout there and meeting people,
and I've seen you do that.
You do a great job of that,john.
You really get out there.
You meet people that are doingit.
Hey, let's do a projecttogether, and then all of a
sudden, you do get it there.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
I've seen you do that a lot and I think that comes
back to your gift of just comingup to people and just being hey
, let me make you feel awkward,just like that.
Let me make you feel awkwardand let's become friends exactly
, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
But but honestly, I mean, you know, obviously you
bring a confidence to yourselfthat I think people are
attracted to and that people cansee that you're confident in
who you are and everything.
But yeah, that was my biggestthing was just once I started
realizing that.
I started going to conferences,I started going out and reaching
out to people and that's whereeverything leads, because you're
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right, paul, you get a lot ofno's in the beginning, and you
have to have thick skin and youjust have to believe in what
you're doing and, obviously, ifthat's what the Lord's called
you to do, then you can't giveup you can't actually one of my
favorite scriptures in the Bibleis Ecclesiastes 5, like 18
through 20, and it talks abouthow God it's the joy that God
(45:19):
has given you, it's God's giftto us that we do something that
we love for a living.
I mean, it's so cool and I'm soglad I discovered this scripture
because it literally makes theLord happy for us to do our
dream job.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And so yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I totally encourage you guys to check out that
scripture because that's been ahuge one for me that's a great
scripture, yeah so really,really cool.
But yeah, no, it's so cool justto hear the different journeys
and we're all at differentpoints in that journey, but it's
cool to know that I thinkthere's some common denominators
between us.
There's a love for that, andthen there's also God's gift.
(45:55):
Obviously let's make that mostimportant, but then also we have
to combine it with hard workand we have to refine our hard
work a lot of hard work that wasa great discussion, man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Thank you, guys that was a good time.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
We were just having that discussion it was a random
text exchange that we werehaving probably a couple weeks
ago.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
That's a podcast which is really where this whole
podcast came from, is just usconversating and we're like man,
we should do a podcast and thenwe're like well, let's do it,
but here we are.
Yeah, and here I am about toclose out our show yep, yes, you
are, let's do it man, let's doit.
Ladies and the gentlemen, thankyou for watching.
We love you.
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It is time for us to wrap thisthing up and it is late at night
to be honest, it is 11 o'clockpm and we need some sleep, but
you need to keep hanging outwith us on a regular basis
because we love you.
So go out for now and bemission men and women, and we
look forward to seeing you onthe next one.
(47:01):
And uh, yeah, yeah, yep,goodbye.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Mission Men
podcast brought to you byMission Media Group.
The Mission Men podcast, thepodcast about nothing and
everything.
You know, just you know just alittle bit between Spit it out
(00:22):
or forever hold it within.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have agreat, great episode today.
The boys are back in.
Between Spit it out or foreverhold it within.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have agreat, great episode today.
The boys are back in town.
We're recording this episode.
It's so great to have youBecause, for those watching and
listening, we do these in fourepisodes At a time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, at a time right .
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So this is our first time back.
We're excited.
Yes, John, you okay.
I'm just flipping my hatbackwards.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So the people can see my face.
That made myself laugh, oh myGod.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
All right, paul, your turn.
Huh, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
By the way, paul, you look handsome man, oh my gosh,
when does he not?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
you look handsome man , oh my gosh.
When does he not?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's what I'm saying All the time.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, not to me, you'd be having the fits though
low-key.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The fits.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, you'd be having the fits.
What's the fits?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What's the fits Outfits?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Oh, get the matching track suit the matching this you
know to matching this.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Come on now, you're just dressing always real good.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Ladies and gentlemen, that's actually what we wanted
to bring up first about this.
We have a new sound effect forJohn, because a lot of times it
kind of gets old when John justgoes on his things.
Doesn't get old though.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, when he does that, the sound effect.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We've kind of incorporated this just to kind
of bring some new life into thatwhole kind of bit thing.
So, john, this is your time.
We're gonna give you like 15seconds to talk about whatever
you want.
Just go random, yeah, go rightnow.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I was walking through a pumpkin patch one day and all
of a sudden I saw this kid runoff the slide and and I said why
don't you build with instead ofcottage cheese?
You need to go to the spinachroute.
So I at that moment took thewood from Lowe's Depot and I
said that is where I draw theline, mr Crab, until you get off
my front yard and we let youcook in the kitchen.
For real sake.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So anyways, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Here we go, wait, wait, wait.
What's?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Lowe's Depot.
Lowe's Depot.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Lowe's Depot.
What's Lowe's Depot?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh, Lowe's Depot.
They sell bushes Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, they're beans Guys for real.
We got a great show today.
I'm so random, sorry thatcaught me.
Funny, that was great.
So we're going to talk about acouple things today.
First of all, I don't know ifyou guys have seen the episode
where John talked about his flagfootball team, and we are doing
great by the way, I'm like the.
(02:57):
MVP.
Perfect, and we're going to getinto that, because we talked
about that a little bit whereJohn was going to be the star
starting quarterback, where hethrew 10 out of 11.
It went touchdown, touchdown,touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Everything was dimes.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Everything was dimes, it was perfect.
So we're going to dive in thatto kind of catch up and see how
things are going in regard.
Yeah, let's catch up.
And then we're going to talkabout dreams a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because we actually had a cool conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We did.
I don't know if I want to talkabout all the dreams I have.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I definitely don't want to talk about your dreams,
because your alive thoughts arereally scary.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Just imagine when you're sleeping.
We don't want to, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I don't want to be in that demented world at all.
It's like a live Tim Burtonmovie.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But so we're going to talk about like how.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Who's Tim Burton?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Exactly so we're going to talk about how.
Who's Tim Burton Exactly?
So.
We're going to talk about howPaul and I got into our music
world, and then we're going totalk to John and see kind of how
he got his love for filmmaking,and then we're just going to
kind of see where we all camefrom, because we actually had a
really cool conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We did.
We thought it'd be fun to dothat on the pod.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So all right, John.
So last time that we talkedabout your flag football team
again, just give us a quickrecap you know just kind of what
you were saying in that episodehow that practice went just
real quick.
Just for anybody that didn'tget a chance to watch that
episode just real fast I mean, Idon't like to compare myself,
but I'm a Hall of Famer In thatpractice.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I showed out, I put up and I did great.
I had like 10.
Are you guys on your phones?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I'm getting the videos ready, so go ahead.
So I want to make sure you guysare listening to me?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
We're listening.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
You want to make sure thatwe're listening?
Yes, okay, you want to makesure that we're listening?
Yes, okay, all right, we'relistening Anyway.
So, yeah, I did great.
You know, 10 out of 11 catthrows and, yeah, I did pretty
good.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, and you were telling us you're like the first
starter.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
QB Starting QB Absolutely, I was very confident
yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, so here's.
The cool thing is that John wasnice enough to invite me, paul,
to his game.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Thank you for coming.
Yeah, of course it was hard tosee you amongst all the fans
that were also there for me.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was sworn, but I'm glad I found you.
Absolutely Everybody chantedyour name.
It was almost like the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, I love them.
That's a bad holiday.
Especially when they're allbooing.
Great yeah, oh yeah, especiallywhen they're all booing, right
yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I got to the game, paul, and I'm like, okay, great
, I'm excited to see their teamplay.
I know a bunch of the guys onthe team, so I was really
excited.
I'm expecting John to just beready to go.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's going to show out.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Rare form Right and I found something interesting.
John didn't even start.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wait a minute, john didn't even start, he was on the
sidelines and I have proof.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have proof.
So I have a video that I'mgoing to play and we'll have
this play on the video for youguys and everybody.
I'll play the audio as well, sothat you can listen and hear.
So let's do it right here.
Are we starting QB tonight?
Yeah, we're starting QB.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, this guy behind me wants to play QB, but
he's watching for now.
I mean, he's a retired nurse,so we've got to make sure he
stays clean and healthy.
Okay, yeah, but yeah, big dayahead of us and I like to
compare myself to Nick Bear andmake sure I go hard every day.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I don't know who that is.
You don't know who Nick Bear is.
No, who's Nick Bear?
I don't know.
Okay, so are you starting QB?
That's the question.
That's what everybody wants toknow.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Am I starting QB?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
What so so?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I'm doing an interview style with John, and
then he quickly goes over toIsaac, who we'll actually be
having an interview with here onan upcoming pod, and he quickly
turned that down.
So explain to me why he seemedlike that was not going to
happen.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I just don't know.
I mean to tell you I wasdistraught, speechless,
heartbroken.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You were heartbroken, I was heartbroken.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Paul.
Wow, it drove me to tears.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Did you cry?
No, no, of course not.
Why would I do that dry tears?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
yeah, it drove you to dry tears, oh dry, not wet in
the slightest and I was very onthe bridge of crying and uh.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
But you know.
Anyways, I carried on thebridge of crying on the verge.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Thank you sorry I like the crying bridge.
The crying bridge was so muchbetter.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yes, go for it.
You know they like the song.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, yeah, whatever song that is um anyways, yep um,
but I was sad, I was like well,you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
It's time to carry on and be a leader.
You know, if I'm not gonna beon time to carry on and be a
leader, if I'm not going to beon the field.
I'm going to be a leader offthe field.
Did you ever play QB on thisgame?
I did.
I have a video.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, yeah, we got some videos.
We got some more, so let'scheck out this.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He plays QB.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Okay, Okay.
So as a starting quarterback,they're actually having you sit
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, well, as a part of being a really good leader
and an MVP, you have to takeresponsibility in your hand, and
part of that is letting otherpeople go first.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, that's right.
So, yeah, the first shall belast, last shall be first, right
?
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And there's a real biblical truth to that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'll be ready over here, you know, I'll be ready
over here you know Just whenthey need you, maybe because
you're too good, maybe that'swhat it is.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Okay, so you got the right attitude there.
Yeah, yeah, great attitude.
You got to adapt, and footballis a big sport of adapt.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
A big sport of adapt.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
okay, we're here, we're here, I'm serious, okay,
here we go, we're back, we'reback, we're back here we're back
.
We're back.
Here we go.
Are you all adapted?
No, I'm adapt.
Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So, yeah, you know, I just had to get back into it
and kind of just let you know,kind of let it, you know, roll
off me a little bit, yeah, and Ichose to get in the right
mindset and once I got, thishappens right, okay, so you're
on the field, let's do aplay-by-play, so you're on the
(09:29):
field.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yep, so here he is and you're playing qb now, right
?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
yeah, that is me with the white glove, like michael
jackson.
All right, so there you go.
Go snap balls coming soonthere's all the snap.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, brandon, I'm sorry, all right here.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Sorry, okay, snap the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
High in the air.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
High in the air and another team catches it.
You threw it.
It looks like an interception.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, it was.
It was a dot pass, though.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To the other team.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Okay, still called it , but a good throw though Did
you see the arm on me.
But it still called aninterception.
Did you see my?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
arm.
I did see your arm and that wasimpressive.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Thank you, that was impressive, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'll give that part to you.
You know, it actually wouldhave been a really good play if
the other team wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I know, and that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So if they weren't there, kind of.
From that moment on I I neverplayed quarterback again all
right, so for real, though.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So how's the team been doing since that?
That was the first game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Okay, so you guys, what's your record right now?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
we are.
I wish we were undefeated, butyou're not.
We are two and three.
You want to so, but here's thething.
So we are here's the deal,thank you.
Uh, we are two and three.
We have won two games.
We have lost three games.
That's what two and three means.
Yeah, cool, I didn't know that,just want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
On the same page, yeah right so oh how didn't I
hear something about the two andthree like the two wins.
I heard somebody said you didwin two games but you weren't at
the two games.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yes, I have in fact not been there for a game that
we've won yet, but there isstill hope.
And now some might speculate.
There's a common denominatorthere is.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So you won when you weren't there and you lose when
you're there.
Yeah't there?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
yeah, yeah yeah, you got that right, paul.
All right, you got that right,so why?
Do you think that is man?
It's got to be isaac.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He sucks so was isaac .
I'm just kidding okay was isaacat the games you won uh yeah,
he was, and you were not at thegames you won, right.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So here's the thing, though.
Here's the thing we have playedthe top four ranked people the
last four times, wow, okay outof how many teams out of eight,
I believe, and so that's not bad.
For our first season.
We're gelling as a team.
(12:07):
We're understanding each other,what we're good at, what we're
bad at.
We're really learning what I'mbad at and what I'm bad at, and
then we're figuring this out.
We're getting our chemistrytogether.
Two and three, first season.
Yeah, give us some luck, youknow.
But, we're going to get betterand this next game, game.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I have high hopes because we should be playing
more NARPs.
Like us NARPs.
What are NARPs?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Non-Athletic Rejected People.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Did you just make that up?
Maybe, the rejected part.
Wow, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Nice, I love that sound effect so much.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh man.
Okay, John, thanks for lettingus have an update.
Love the update, Thank you sostay tuned.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
The next game is coming up here soon and we'll
have to find out how I do on thenext one, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, oh man, that was some good laughs, Okay cool.
Well, that was fun.
I appreciate you letting us dothat I have scored one touchdown
.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Let's not forget that you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Actually, all right, we have that I think I saw that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Let's be fair, let's be fair.
John's been a really good sport, so here I'm going to rewind it
just a little bit and thenwe'll show it in the video.
John puts a juke.
Oh A nice little.
That was a nice little stutter.
Stop, yeah, hesitation, yeah alittle hezy.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Here's the problem, though, with that.
I can't fully take credit forthat move, because I thought
someone had already taken myflag so I just completely
stopped because I thought I wasalready down.
I did not, in fact, do thatmove on purpose.
It, however, tricked the otherperson because of my low IQ and
we scored.
So you know we're growing.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You heard her about the playing to the whistle.
You play to the whistle.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right, you never stop .
I couldn't hear.
I saw red, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay, there you go so .
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I love you guys.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I love you too, no hey, listen, we appreciate you
being a good sport, we're justhaving fun, and it's it is
important to be able to laugh atyourself and just have a good
time, and that's an importantskill to have and a lot of
people don't have that, do nothave that skill.
So we appreciate you, thank you.
Let us have a little bit of alaugh there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's fun.
It's a good time.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah Well, hey listen , you're only going to get
better.
You said you're actuallyinterested in maybe starting to
watch some football now, maybeto learn a little bit.
So you're only going to getbetter from here, because you
are actually a very good athlete.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I joke about it.
I've been watching a lot offootball, especially from the UK
and England.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Uh-huh, yeah, isn't that a?
It's soccer, soccer, but um.
They call it football though.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It is weird, it's soccer.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, it doesn't really look like football, does
it?
Yeah, no, I didn't really learnanything.
Fair enough, there you go Allright.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
so we wanted to have a kind of a cool conversation
just about how, um, you, um, youknow, kind of how our dreams
came about.
And, uh, there's really,there's really no good way to
segue from what we were justtalking about, so I'm just going
right into it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Well, it's in my dreams that I actually score a
touchdown on purpose soon okay,well, there you go, there you go
follow your dreams, follow yourdreams into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Um, but no, we were actually having a really cool
conversation.
Um, just, I was telling theguys about some things that
actually do you, paul, do youremember how that started?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I can't remember we were texting, I think yeah, I
can't remember what the how itstarted.
I think you sent me a song andwe were going back and forth
with some music we were workingon and oh, because it was, uh,
didn't we say something aboutlike back to the future?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
and then that's kind of how I said, how I there's
like a video of me when I wasyounger Is that okay.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think I remember that yes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So for those who don't know, one of my favorite
movies of all time is Back tothe Future.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Have you seen?
Have you seen, or is it reallymy all-time favorite movie?
Oh wait, that's your favoriteof all time, all time.
Are you serious?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All time disconnected .
Speaker 3 (16:00):
for some every time it comes on television I have to
watch it oh, my gosh paul.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I already loved paul like a million times, but like
now it's a million and two doyou love me?
If you do say yes, but um so II just love that movie growing
up I so have you seen that, john?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
have you seen back to the future a million times?
No, youown Up.
So have you seen that?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
John, have you seen Back to the Future Million times
?
No, you haven't.
Have you seen it, maybe?
Okay, it's about the highschool kid.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Okay, before we say this, I need to bring this up.
Paul, you were there, Isupposedly.
Well, I did.
I butchered how I describedFull House in the Full House
episode.
Yes, I butchered how I describedFull House in the Full House
episode.
So I want to apologize for theperson who brought that up, and
they know who they are.
We were in the praise team roomand somebody came up to me and
was like dude, you tried todescribe Full House and you just
(16:55):
butchered it.
It's not even close to what itwas.
I'm like, yeah, you're right,you're not far off.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I've seen Back to the Future a couple of them.
You're not far off.
I've seen Back to the Future acouple of them.
How many are there in total?
There's three.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I've seen two of them .
Okay, so tell me, I want tohear your synopsis of Back to
the Future.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh boy, I didn't really pay that much attention.
We might be exposing me alittle bit right now.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I know.
That's why I asked.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It was cool, we got Marty, our boy the scientist oh
hey.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Marty, yeah, you know , there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Marty McFly Williams.
I'm finna bomb this mouse tohell.
Yeah, so we have Martyscientist Williams.
John, pull up the meme, I'llteach these guys through the
video.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
once I see, there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Marty McFly Williams.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Wait, why is it Williams?
What's the Williams?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's not Williams, fly, it stops oh, you guys know
marty mcfly yes, yes never mind,I'll put that in post.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's a video of a kid skateboarding down a hill and
he falls at the end, and it's anold meme okay, okay, so
separate it back to the future.
Back to back to the future.
Guys are marty the scientists.
Okay, uh, we got a delorean car.
Uh, that's very cool.
They use it to time travel.
The scene I remember Is wherethey go back To a high school
reunion or prom, maybe.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
High school dance, dance.
Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And that's about as much as I remember.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I mean, that's that works for me.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, no, I'm good with that Two dudes Time
traveling being homies In theDeLorean.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, wow, um, yeah.
So favorite movie growing up,loved it and, uh, I always
wanted to be marty mcfly always,I mean like for halloween I was
marty huh.
Keep dreaming no, I, I agree, I, marty mcfly is like the
coolest dude who's ever existedand I still that's.
My goal is to be marty mcfly,and um, so I grew up just loving
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that movie.
I mean, I literally, Iliterally dressed up as Marty
McFly like four different timesas a kid for.
Halloween, you goon?
Oh dude, for real.
And so I was telling Paul thatthere was a video.
There is a video of me and Idon't have access to it, I don't
even know if it exists anymore,but I remember watching it on
VHS of me as a three-year-oldkid in a diaper, on vhs of me as
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a three-year-old kid in adiaper.
And so there's a scene, john,where he's playing, um, a song
at that dance.
He's, he's the guitar playerand he does this whole routine
and and it's so cool becausehe's like playing like an 80s
guitar, like just ripping,shredding and then like all
these people from 1950 are likewhat in the world 1955?
And so, um.
So I as a kid, I just love thatscene so much that I actually
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like memorized the whole thingreally and yeah, oh yeah.
So I I like put up like acardboard box, I set it up there
, that was my amp, that I wouldkick over and I would, I would
just, I had all the movementsand everything memorized and I
was like man.
I wonder if that's where my lovefor music kind of started was
from that scene in that movie,but yeah, so I got super into
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that.
But the funny thing was I wastelling Paul and you too is that
no one in my family was musical.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And that was remarkable for me when you said
that because you're you're sotalented musically speaking,
production guitar the whole nineyards.
You're so super talented and itwas wild.
We were texting and we weregoing back and forth and you
told me the story of kind ofyour music beginnings yeah, and
being grounded.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think you said right oh, yeah, but you have to
tell the story about that.
Oh, of course, of course, I'lltell you all.
I will tell all, but yeah, no.
So I grew up, you know, I gotmy first electric guitar at 11
and didn't really know what Imean.
I knew chords and stuff and Iplayed for church, but very
basic, nothing challenging atall, just very, very simple.
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You had a good heart.
I had a good heart, well, maybe, but yeah, no, I had a good
heart and I was trying to learn,trying to grow, and then so,
finally, it all happened betweenmy junior and senior year of
high school.
I was caught making out with mygirlfriend at the time.
(21:05):
Yep, yep Sure.
And so my parents, being very,very strict, grounded me for the
entire summer.
I mean literally from the dayschool was over to the day
school started the next year, itwas just three months of yeah,
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so I mean couldn't leave thehouse, nothing.
I mean obviously I went tochurch and stuff like that, but
you know, whatever Couldn'tground you from Jesus, no,
that's true, I feel you, I'vebeen there the groundings oof.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I made a lot of mistakes when I was a teenager
and I got grounded a lot forthem.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So I've it a lot for them.
So I've, yes, getting groundedsucked, yes, and so you, you,
you know, you're aware.
So so it was about halfwaythrough that, um, where my dad
started feeling bad for me.
So he's like, all right, well,I'm gonna like get him like a
cool video or something orwhatever, like you know, just to
kind of help him pass the timeso he got me, um, a history of
rock and roll docu-series orsomething, wow, and it's just
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showing Pete Townsend of the whoand Jimi Hendrix and just all
these amazing great guitarplayers.
It's like, oh, that's reallyreally cool.
But then it comes to this oneguy and he's doing something and
for those listening, he wasusing both of his hands to play
on the guitar, but he wasn'tusing a pick, he was using it on
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the fretboard and he was doingsomething.
And I'm like that is thecraziest, coolest thing I've
ever seen and I'm gonna learn it.
And so I I got from that moment.
It was almost like a, you know,like a ground zero moment where
you just like you remember whereyou were, what you, you know
what you were wearing, all thatkind of stuff.
And so I was there.
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I'm like I'm gonna learn it,I'm gonna go crazy.
So this was the era, so thiswas in 2004, this was in 2004
two years after I was born.
Oh my god, oh, wow, wow, dude.
Oh my gosh, that's insane.
I'm old, yeah, I'm old, yeah,I'm old too.
So from that point I'm like,okay, how do I figure this out?
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So again, this is 2004.
Youtube had just started, andso I'm like, okay, I figured out
who the guy was.
The guy for anybody listeningwho knows it was Eddie Van Halen
from the band Van Halen.
And again, the resources backthen were not great.
So what I literally did was Iwould find videos of him and I
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would literally hit the spacebar and then hit the space bar
real quick just to watch wherehis fingers were.
That's amazing.
And then I would just do thatover and over again until I
learned and I'm like, okay,because they did have tabs, at
least Do you know what tabs are.
Yeah, so for guitar tabs,pretty much, it's like if you're
going to play something, youplay on this fret, on this
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string, so at least you can kindof figure out where it is.
But it doesn't teach youtechnique or timing or anything,
it just shows you where thenotes are being played.
So I actually went to thosevideos and I kept hitting the
space bar, I mean literally.
I'd be like like that and you'relearning, yeah, the licks, I'm
learning the licks solos, the,so the solos and I'm watching
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eat where his hand's going andobviously the video this was in
1984, 1980, so the quality ofthe video, I mean you know the
quality of video.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You're talking about VSH at that time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Absolutely so.
The quality is not great, soI'm just constantly just like
slowing it down, because now onYouTube, you can go on there and
they've got full videos whereit's like okay, here's the lick.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Here's what you do, all that kind of stuff, and it
even categorizes the segments ofthe video.
Exactly here's the Right.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly here's the right, yeah, here's the fast
part, here's the slow part, orwhatever.
So I was constantly just doingthat over and over and over
again until I finally startedlearning it, and I just kept
practicing and practicing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You tell me you did this and that was kind of at the
age of 17 yeah, yeah and that'swhere everything started for
you musically.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I got super.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, that's almost quasi-genius status for me when
I think about it.
That's a big statement for himto make.
But here you are.
You're literally learning howto play your craft from YouTube
videos.
Yeah right, and everything thatyou're doing now is because of
that.
If you hadn't been grounded,think about it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Right, I know you just have the drive to
self-start that and learn it,yeah, which is some major props
to you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
That's amazing, and to see where you are now and
what you're doing?
Yeah, because it comes fromzero lessons.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, You're self-taught and family like zero
.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
No family like same with my family there's no music
person in there and are myfamily either.
But it's amazing when you thinkabout okay, here you are,
you're self-taught, yeah, you'redoing all this, and to see what
you're doing now, andcommercials and television and
you know cues and movies, youknow the music you hear and what
a cue is.
Is the music you hear behindright movies and television.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He does so much of that stuff exceptionally well
but that's amazing to thinkabout it, that you, it's just
self-taught yeah, I I mean, likeyou know I I was telling paul I
did do like a little bit.
I mean, like when I first gotthe guitar I got like lessons
for like six months and I justkind of like this.
I fizzled out.
Well, I stopped playing.
I was like okay, you know Idon't, I don't really care for
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this.
I'm not really learning as muchas I'd like, because I mean,
when you start an instrument Ithink you can attest to it's
like uh, you know you, you wantit to go fast you just want to
start learning.
You want to get right to the.
You want to get right to thegood stuff and you can't.
You just can't do that.
So but yeah, no, that's that'show I started learning like
music theory and stuff, andbecause a lot of people when
they learn instrumentsespecially now it's so easy just
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to learn to play licks orchords but to not understand,
like why you're playing thosechords.
So I started asking thosequestions like okay, why is he,
why is he playing this at thispoint?
So then in college I actuallygot really into the beatles like
big time.
So what I started doing was Iwould take a song per day and
what I would do is I'd writedown the lyrics and then over
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the lyrics, I'd write down thechords that they were playing
and then I would write down theindividual melodies of what
they're actually singing overthose words.
And I did that every day.
I did it it for the first fiveor six albums of the Beatles,
and so I'm like all right,because I'm going to, and the
reason why I chose the Beatlesis because obviously they've
left Pentacle yeah right.
(27:38):
They've left a legacy that istimeless, right?
So I'm like, okay, those guysdid something, right?
So I'm going to study them likecrazy.
So yeah, that's what I did.
I started writing down and I'mlike, and I started, seeing
patterns and I'm like, oh,that's nuts.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I mean, no, you know, when I tell you how crazy that
is, that is, that is reallycrazy.
I mean your journey is supercrazy because I think and we
were texting about this yeah,we're going.
I was like my journey wascompletely different because,
yeah, I will lessons, you know,since five years old.
Yeah, lessons, lessons afterlessons after lessons, going to
high school playing in everyband, every band, every band.
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Yeah, going to college formusic, lessons, lessons, lessons
.
I think we still we kind ofended up in the same similar
places.
Yeah, but it's just justamazing, the two different, the
two different journeys yeah um,you can.
you can come from the the wholeschool side of things, and
that's cool and you can reachthe same dream, though.
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And that's what we were talkingabout where you can reach the
same dream, but do it completelydifferent.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and I think that's what's so cool, because
we were comparing back and forth.
It's so cool to see how Godbrought you along on your
journey and then how I startedmy journey too.
And I mean, here's the wholepoint of this thing is you get
out of what you put intosomething right, and so I think
that's what Paul learned as akid, that's what I learned as a
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kid.
It's like, how bad do you wantit Right when it comes to your
dream and what you want to do?
So I, and obviously God putsthat in our hearts right.
And the great thing is, thereally great thing is that
because of Mission Media Group,because of our church and what
we're involved in, what we'redoing, we're able to give those
gifts back to the LordAbsolutely and serve Him and
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help other people come to knowhim through our gifts that he's
given us.
And obviously you know there isa combination of us having to
do the work right.
You know there's hard work thatwe have to put in to grow and
just like.
So, john, I'd love to hear,like your story too, of kind of
how you really got the love ofvideo and because obviously you
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know Paul, and I Because it'ssimilar.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It is yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're at the beginning stages of your, of
your dream and what you're doing, but you, but you're realizing
your dream right, and so I I'dlove to hear how you got
interested in it.
And then, how did you start?
Because obviously, paul, and Ithink just insanely high of your
work and your quality.
I mean, you're right there, man, it's, it's incredible work and
we're blessed to work with you,but yeah, no, please.
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I'd love to hear your journeyand your story.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Well, the journey is still unfolding, it's still
coming to be, but I guess if Ihad to put a start on it or a
mark on it first, whenever Itell people how I developed this
passion for what I do, uh, itkind of always seemed to go back
to when I was a little kid.
(30:33):
Uh, I would play with likelegos and and um different, like
action figures and stuff youknow um, but instead of how
normal kids like you know playwith them and say Billy Joel the
Dark Lord, fight, fight, hit,hit.
You know all that.
Billy Joel the Dark Lord.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I didn't even mean to do Billy Joel the artist.
Is that a singer?
Billy Joel?
Yeah, Billy Joel was a singer,Sorry.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Turn the lights on Dark Lord.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
The Dark.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Lord, anyway.
So that was unintentional, butI so that was unintentional, but
I didn't play like that.
What I did was I would just buyall these toys.
Yeah, uh, shout out, grandma,because that was not my money um
.
I would set up those toys justin a certain way, and a look
yeah and I would leave it therefor like two weeks and just
every once in a while go look atit again and show mom and dad,
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show nanny, show friends.
That's all I did, wow.
Never moved them, never talkedor acted them out.
I would just set up like a setand just be like oh, that looks
cool, you know and then you weredone, that was it yeah, for the
next week or two weeks justleave it up yeah and then tear
it down and start somethingagain.
so that was kind of like whatBrandon said my, I think, my
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ground zero, where I kind ofinitially started the creative
mindset there in which today,now it transpires to.
I set up, looks in front of thecamera, I filmed them, I take
them home and I edit them and Iput them together for people to
watch and you sit back and Icreatively saw that when I was a
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kid and now I kind ofcreatively see that now as where
I am.
And so I think it all stemmedfrom that and I think the Lord
used that opportunity to kind ofshow me that at the beginning
and then, as I got older, Istopped playing with toys, but
then I went into Minecraft.
This sounds so stupid.
It's a millennial descriptionisn't it?
(32:31):
no, I get it but I went intominecraft and most people on
minecraft play minecraft inwhat's called survival mode.
Yeah, I'm trying to keep it foreverybody here, but minecraft, I
know I'm just so yeah, quicklyexplain what that means
minecraft is a game that's stillpretty popular, was popular a
lot more a little while ago andbasically you're either playing
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survival or creative, and insurvival your goal is to survive
.
So you acquire wood bypickaxing at wood and collecting
wood.
Then you make a fireplace andyou make food for your shelter.
You make shelter, you have acertain lifespan, you have to
make food.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You survive.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Then creative is you do whatever you want, you have
no limitations of having tosurvive and you can build your
own world you can.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Build your own world, you can create things.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But Minecraft was predominantly popular to survive
and play survival mode.
But I would do creative.
I never mode, okay, but I woulddo creative.
I never did survival.
I would do creative to buildthings.
So I would build all kinds ofstuff the ohio state stadium,
neighborhoods, houses, yeahdifferent things.
And again I would creativelyplace things in the right spot
and make them look asprofessional as I could right, I
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was pretty good at it um, butso that was kind of through my
teenage years, okay.
And then later I started workingat church.
I did videos at church on asmall level and I didn't really
realize that I liked it, becausethe things I was doing there at
first wasn't really that fun orcreative.
It was just to help at church,right, it was work, and then, as
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I progressed, the Lord reallyput on my heart to start doing
stuff for myself and buy yourown camera, try it out.
Isaac, my best friend, he had adude who was having a wedding
and they're like, well, john,kind of filmed before.
He could probably film yourwedding and probably do it for a
cheaper price than anybody else, because people charge like
$12,000 for weddings now.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
For the videos, for the videos, for the video, yeah
right.
So I picked up a camera, feltlike it was a lord calling me.
I had lots of different peopletelling me to get a camera.
I got a camera, filmed thewedding and then after that I
kind of just fell in love withfilmmaking, and I wouldn't say
just videography, even thoughit's kind of specific.
I like to call myself acinematographer and I like
cinematography which iscinematic.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I call yourself a cinematographer.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I like cinematic video, which is what that word
means and so, yeah, I just kindof developed a passion through
it and found out the Lord reallywas calling me to that.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So during that time, how did you start developing
your skills?
What was your double clickingthe space bar?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
youtube video was it youtube?
But you've studied a lot on howdid you?
How did you?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
yeah, so youtube um, but I never watched, like a lot
of I never like tutorials Inever watched tutorials because
I hated tutorials and I hatedsitting through and being
patient and waiting for theanswer and learning so what I
did do was I just watchedpeople's work like whether it be
finished products yeah,people's movies, people's looks,
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people's different YouTubevideos, their short films, like
I studied what was the mosttrending, most creative looks
that I was like, oh man, thatlooks so dope and that looks so
different, Like stuff like that.
I would study that, watch it onlunch break, watch it for
breakfast, watch it for dinner,watch it when I'm bored.
I watched it like 24 seven likeconsumed it Right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
And then through that I might not have known all the
words technical solutions, youknow all the operating knowledge
of the camera.
But then through I was able toknow okay, I saw he did this,
I'm gonna do this and I'm gonnaincorporate this shot and this
shot.
And then I just went out andfilmed, like I filmed so much
stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Then when I got the first camera, I just filmed like
everything so when you weredoing that, were you like saying
oh man, I just saw this reallycool shot, now I'm gonna try to
go replicate it, or what wasyour kind of your process?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
yeah.
Yeah, I think I never was acopy cat, uh, but I always kind
of saw looks that I liked frommultiple people and then kind of
them together, mixed themtogether well, and that's really
similar with how music goes, Imean I don't know about you paul
.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But like for me, like in my story, I found somebody
that I was like oh man, I lovetheir playing, so I'm gonna
learn what they're doing and howthey're doing it, and then I'm
going to incorporate it into myown expression, or how I would
do it, you learn from the greatsand then you kind of make your
own you do and I think, similarto me, you're not taught
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producing in college.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You're not taught how to produce a record.
That's not taught anywhere.
Maybe some more now with thetechnology, they teach you a
little bit more now, but back inthe day, when I was in college,
I mean, production wasn'tactually taught and if you
wanted to be a producer, it waslike one of those rare things
and I was the guy that boughtthe albums and I would read all
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the credits.
I knew every producer and Istudied these producers.
So what I would do is this wasbefore.
You have to remember, this wasbefore the age of computers.
I had an eight-trackreel-to-reel tape and what I
would do is I would literallyreplicate.
I'd hear a record, I'dreplicate that production note
for note.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So, David.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Foster was one of my favorite producers.
I'd hear a record.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'd replicate that production note for note.
So David Foster was one of myfavorite producers and I would
listen to whatever song it wasif it was a Chaka Khan song or
whatever the song was.
Listen to the song and I wouldwant to play it.
I played it exactly how I heardit and I put all the parts down
exactly as I heard it and Ipanned things exactly how I
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heard it and I wanted toreplicate that production yeah,
and that's how I learned how toproduce because there was no way
to.
It's kind of the way I think weall have that similar story.
Yeah, you know you, you know we, we feel like we've got you
know these giftings and we juststill know kind of how do we
hone this?
Because there's no way toactually learn it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do you still have those, like you know?
Oh my gosh, you like thoseoriginal, real, real those real.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't know where those reels are and I have I
have dat tapes of stuff yeahyeah I would put on dat tape and
I would actually that wasdigital audio tape back in the
80s, right, right, I would havedat tapes of.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think I may have still have some of that stuff
that would be so cool to likelisten to and just, you know,
just to see, like, okay, I knewexactly where I was, I was
learning this, I was trying todo that, like that would be so
cool to like break down thatwould be great if I can find it.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, if you can find it right, but that's but that's
you know, kind of from my storyfrom a production standpoint.
That's how I actually learnedhow to produce and then,
learning how to write music wasanother thing.
They don't.
They didn't teach you that incollege, right, like how do you
don't?
They didn't teach you that incollege, right, like how do you
write a song?
They didn't teach you that incollege.
So I was really, reallyfortunate when I moved to
California, to um, was there formaybe a year or so, and a
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friend of mine, engineer, Ihappened to meet him.
I don't know where I met himfrom.
His name was Reggie, reggie'sgreat, great engineer.
He goes, oh you know, and thatwas my first computer.
I had a Mac SE that had like ahalf a megabyte of RAM and that
was like the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh, my goodness A half a megabyte of RAM.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Sometimes I feel like my PC has the same, though
Probably does.
512k was about all I had inthat thing and that was the
fastest computer at the time andI started cutting my chops on
sequencing and stuff.
And he said oh, you need to meetmy brother.
You need to meet my brother.
I'm like I don't know who yourbrother is.
So he says, come, come to thisaddress.
(40:06):
Yeah, and I got there and he's,and I'm, I'm in this really
amazing studio in encino,california, and his brother
comes out.
His brother, his, his brother'slamont dozier oh, so I don't
know if you know who lamontdozier is, but holland dozier.
Holland was the writing teamfor all the Motown hits in the
60s.
He's the Dozier of the Holland,dozier, holland.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Oh, wow, like Stop in the.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Name of Love, all those songs, sugar Pie, honey
Bun.
He wrote all that stuff, wow.
I wish so my chops as aproducer and a writer would be
studying under him.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, and that's how that happened.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean that kind of thing, is a little different.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I mean that's.
You know, that kind of thing iskind of you know it's a little
different.
I mean that's really cool,though, because in your journey
you found someone that almostsounds like, kind of took you
under your wing a little bit andwas, like you know maybe not to
that extent, but just like youknow showing you tricks and tips
.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But you know what it mostly was.
It wasn't showing me tricks andtips.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
It was was being in the room.
It was being in the room, well,and that's a really cool thing
because, john, in the audioindustry, you know, there's some
actually I should probably saythere's a lot of people that are
very secretive about like their, their settings.
Yes, yeah, everything's asecret, everything's a secret
don't steal my compressorsettings or what you know,
whatever outboard gear stuff soit's.
It's actually cool thatsomebody was like open enough
just to like yeah here.
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here's how I do it.
You can just sit and watch.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Even you guys have mentored me a lot too and helped
me develop my skills, and youknow both of you have sharpened
me and helped me grow and learn.
So I think that's a big part ofdeveloping your passion is
being around the right people.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Finding the right one , connections as peers to help
you practice your skill, butfinding the right connection who
are a little older than you toto help you, to help coach you
and kind of like you said be inthe setting Right.
You know, like I can rememberwhen you put me in a place where
I was in a, like you know, witha crew and with like a full set
for production.
I had never been in that and Iwas like this is cool, but it
(42:03):
helped me learn a ton.
So, yeah, and connections is isvery important.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
So Paul, I was going to ask you I think this is going
to be a really cool discussionwhat?
What is something that I mean?
Obviously, there's probably alot of people listening.
Well, let's, let's be realthere's not a lot of people
listening, but no one listensbut there are probably some
people listening that maythere's a few that may not be
where they are or where theywant to be.
And again, I know I'm not whereI want to be yet.
(42:28):
I know you're not, but we'reprobably a little bit further
along.
So what's something that you Imean even to like John, where
he's still got a ton of goalsand things like what would you
say are some like really goodpieces of advice, or one piece
of advice that you would give tosomeone that's like kind of you
know they're, they're reallyworking on their craft, they're
growing, they're getting strongin their skills, and you know
(42:51):
what would you say to them?
It's don't give up don't giveup.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, keep going.
I mean you just, keep doing it.
I mean because I out of didn'tout of the yeses I received,
there was a whole bunch of no's.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, yeah, and you can't get discouraged over the
no's.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You got to keep going and you'll get a yes, and then
you'll get another yes.
And eventually the yeses willstart to stack up.
That's good, right, but youhave to understand the no's.
Oh my gosh.
Oh yeah, if I had stopped atthe first five no's, I would
have been done with music.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know in high school.
Yeah, that's a really great.
Because no?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
no, it was always no.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
That's a really great advice.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah, so you know the no's turn into yes's, and you
just can't give up.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah if it's your passion, right, right,
especially if you love it, itmakes you happy doing it
absolutely.
And I would say for me, like ifI had to give advice, uh, the
one thing that I wish that Icould go back and tell you know
my younger self is right, it'sall who you know I mean just
relationships are keyrelationships and and not not
(43:56):
only just who you know.
You're right, it's arelationship is building those
relationships.
It's going and putting yourselfout there and meeting people,
and I've seen you do that.
You do a great job of that,john.
You really get out there.
You meet people that are doingit.
Hey, let's do a projecttogether, and then all of a
sudden, you do get it there.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
I've seen you do that a lot and I think that comes
back to your gift of just comingup to people and just being hey
, let me make you feel awkward,just like that.
Let me make you feel awkwardand let's become friends exactly
, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
But but honestly, I mean, you know, obviously you
bring a confidence to yourselfthat I think people are
attracted to and that people cansee that you're confident in
who you are and everything.
But yeah, that was my biggestthing was just once I started
realizing that.
I started going to conferences,I started going out and reaching
out to people and that's whereeverything leads, because you're
(44:54):
right, paul, you get a lot ofno's in the beginning, and you
have to have thick skin and youjust have to believe in what
you're doing and, obviously, ifthat's what the Lord's called
you to do, then you can't giveup you can't actually one of my
favorite scriptures in the Bibleis Ecclesiastes 5, like 18
through 20, and it talks abouthow God it's the joy that God
(45:19):
has given you, it's God's giftto us that we do something that
we love for a living.
I mean, it's so cool and I'm soglad I discovered this scripture
because it literally makes theLord happy for us to do our
dream job.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And so yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I totally encourage you guys to check out that
scripture because that's been ahuge one for me that's a great
scripture, yeah so really,really cool.
But yeah, no, it's so cool justto hear the different journeys
and we're all at differentpoints in that journey, but it's
cool to know that I thinkthere's some common denominators
between us.
There's a love for that, andthen there's also God's gift.
(45:55):
Obviously let's make that mostimportant, but then also we have
to combine it with hard workand we have to refine our hard
work a lot of hard work that wasa great discussion, man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Thank you, guys that was a good time.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
We were just having that discussion it was a random
text exchange that we werehaving probably a couple weeks
ago.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
That's a podcast which is really where this whole
podcast came from, is just usconversating and we're like man,
we should do a podcast and thenwe're like well, let's do it,
but here we are.
Yeah, and here I am about toclose out our show yep, yes, you
are, let's do it man, let's doit.
Ladies and the gentlemen, thankyou for watching.
We love you.
(46:41):
It is time for us to wrap thisthing up and it is late at night
to be honest, it is 11 o'clockpm and we need some sleep, but
you need to keep hanging outwith us on a regular basis
because we love you.
So go out for now and bemission men and women, and we
look forward to seeing you onthe next one.
(47:01):
And uh, yeah, yeah, yep,goodbye.
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