July 17, 2025 • 29 mins
2025-07-15 — News — Episode 237
Hosts:
- Daniel Garcia - Senior Developer at Ortus Solutions
- Jacob Beers - Senior Developer at Ortus Solutions
Summary
In this episode of the Modernize or Die podcast, hosts Daniel Garcia and Jacob Beers discuss the latest updates from Ortus Solutions, including the launch of the BoxLang VS Code extension and community contributions. They delve into AI integration with BoxLang, provide updates on CFML and security news, and highlight upcoming events such as the Adobe ColdFusion Summit. The episode emphasizes the importance of community engagement and support through Patreon, showcasing the collaborative spirit of the software development community.
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Welcome everybody.
My name is Daniel Garcia.
I am your co-host for the day.
This is the Modernize or Die podcast.
are episode number 237.
Today is July 15th, 2025.
And I, of course, joined by,
My name is Jacob Beers.
I'm a senior web developer at Ortus Solutions and actually this is my second time on thepodcast.
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But not the last.
We're very excited.
Well, Jacob joined Ortus about a year and a half ago.
Was it two years?
Actually almost two years.
Yeah
two years.
Yeah, cause I'll be almost four years in a couple more weeks.
And he's been a great addition to the team.
And if you haven't, don't know who he is, what's wrong with you, you should, causeeverybody should know Jacob.
And if you've been exploring the BoxLang ecosystem, some things we're to talk about alittle bit today, you will know that Jacob is Señor VS Code BoxLang extension, amongst
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other things.
But hey, you feeling well, my friend?
I'm doing well, you know, it's a good day and I'm glad to be here.
So excited about all the things we're going to talk about.
It's good day indeed.
OK, let's get started with the Ortus news.
So first up, speaking of the BoxLang VS code extension has been published.
You want to tell us all about that?
Yeah, I'd love to tell you about that.
So actually, it has been published for a while on the VS Code Marketplace, but we haveadded publishing the extension to the OpenVSX Marketplace.
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So there's actually a link there that we're going to paste in the chat that you can use togo and inspect that.
And the awesome thing about this is that it just
It makes it available to people who don't want to be locked into the Microsoft.
extension marketplace for VS code.
So OpenVSX is a really cool project that has just looked to create an open sourcealternative so that we can have healthy competition in the editor and IDE marketplace.
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So I think that's a pretty exciting thing.
We've gotten a lot of requests from this from people from the community and so we're happyto be able to deliver on that.
please go if you use OpenVSX and you've been waiting for this, please go
Give it a spin and shoot me your feedback through Slack and let me know if it's workingwell for you.
That's awesome.
Anyone you want to shout out in the community that's like, Jacob, do this.
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I don't know that I could shout out anyone particular because there's been so many peopleasking for it that I feel bad leaving everybody out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
fair.
Well, speaking of shouting out people, I want to shout out to David Belanger, our buddydown in South America, joining us up here and joining us in the chat.
Hey, David.
So today's episode or this week's episode is sponsored by Ortus Solutions.
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Hey, big surprise there because we are Ortus.
But specifically, it's sponsored by CBWire.
The fastest way to build reactive modern UIs without leaving your CFML server.
With CBWire, you can forget about the complex front-end frameworks and endless JavaScript.
That sounds really good to me.
CBWire brings simplicity, speed, and power to your development workflow by letting youbuild dynamic real-time interfaces directly in ColdBox.
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So whether you're modernizing legacy apps, launching new ones, CBWire helps developers andcompanies ship faster with cleaner, more maintainable code.
And you know what you could do, Jacob?
What can I do?
If you're ready to level up, you can join our two day CBWire workshop right after Adobe CFSummit 2025, led by Grant Copley and Luis Majano and get hands on with everything you need
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to master CBWire.
That's September 24th to 25th in Las Vegas, Nevada.
So if you're going out to the conference and you're going to a CF Summit, you'representing at CF Summit, which is awesome.
while you're there, I'm sure you'll be hanging out with Luis and Grant and talk at someCBWire stuff among other things and.
Yeah.
should be a good time.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.
actually I hope that I've already got a list of CBWIRE questions that I'm going to harassGrant with while I'm there.
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Nice.
I'm going to ahead and paste this link out there.
So if you want to register as well, did not paste right.
I need to get the link.
Sorry, when I put the show notes together, I always put the full link that I could justcopy paste as opposed to like, you know, the embedded link that you have to click on to
copy paste and well.
such as life.
Anyway, so going to the BoxLang, BoxLang, BoxLang.
I want to talk about BoxLang.
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I know you want to talk about BoxLang.
If Luis was here, he would want to talk about BoxLang.
So let's talk about BoxLang.
eh All things BoxLang.
We do love ColdFusion, but we also really love BoxLang, BoxLang, BoxLang.
Okay.
I wonder if there's like a record for how many times I could say the word BoxLang in anepisode and not annoy people.
we need a BoxLang counter where every time you say it, it like dings in the background orsomething.
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BoxLang, drinking game.
Well, no, let's not do that.
That can be bad.
Oh man.
Jacob's idea is for happy box next year.
Every time Luis says the word BoxLang, everybody drinks something from their favoritebeverage.
Okay.
So starting out, that is truly happy box, happiest of boxes.
so starting out with the community, we've got our buddy Raymond Camden.
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I'm doing a few blog articles.
He's been.
Working with BoxLang and he's been trying it out, kicking the tires, blogging about it.
We appreciate him for everything he does.
And he's got some blog posts talking about creating a calendar with BoxLang and thencreating a calendar with BoxLang part.
Deux part.
It's, it's too French for two part.
He's down in Alabama somewhere.
So I don't know if he's like part of the French speaking people down there, but, or ifhe's just being pithy, but,
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Hey, David says, BeetleJuice shows up after the third BoxLang.
Cool.
so anyway, we're going to post those links to there.
Are you posting them in the chat there?
Jacob is, don't see them.
I'm making the same mistake that you were talking about earlier.
I should click on live chat and not top chat.
Do you need me to click and paste it?
You know what?
I'm going to paste it and why don't you talk to us about the next two blog articles.
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And I'll just paste them all.
Yep.
So Ray has actually, he's been on a blogging spree, which if you've met Ray on theinternet, then you would know that he blogs all over the place.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
So in addition to his calendar blog series, part one and part two, he's also done someseries on.
building a CSV report CLI tool in BoxLang, which looks pretty interesting.
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If you're not familiar with that, we have been building out BoxLang not just to be a webruntime, but to really be able to run everywhere.
And that includes on the CLI.
So it's awesome to see somebody, especially Ray, leveraging those tools and building outsomething that runs BoxLang in an environment that maybe we haven't had the opportunity to
with ColdFusion in the past.
We've always had CommandBox, so we've been able to run ColdFusion on the CLI like that,but now it's a little bit more native with BoxLang.
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So go check that uh And then we have another blog series from him called AI with BL.
And this is of course leveraging the BX AI module that we've been working really hard onhere at Ortus, which gives you access to the vast array of...
large language models that have recently become available and even has things like toolsupport and a lot of awesome configuration out of the box that you can use in your
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application.
Nice.
And you've actually had a chance to play with some of this stuff too, haven't you?
With some proof of concepts and coding around and messing around.
And I think you were integrating with OpenAI, is that correct?
Yeah, actually, and you know because you were there, we were able to integrate with acouple of different AI providers and it went, I mean I had high expectations for it going
into it, but actually it worked even better than I thought it was going to, so I was verypleased, yeah.
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I was there watching Jacob work with BoxLang AI and cheering him on and getting him coffeeand anything else he needed, which is quite the trick because I'm in Chicagoland and he's
in Kansas City land.
What's the, actually, what do they call Kansas City land?
it KC land?
Is there a name for your area that people should know?
Yes, everyone, everyone, and it's okay if you ask me this, but everybody thinks that I'mfrom Kansas City, Kansas, but I'm actually from Kansas City, Missouri, and we call that
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KCMO.
So there you go.
That's right.
I pronounce it misery, but I know what you're talking about.
No, it was funny.
In high school, we had a foreign exchange student, really nice guy, he's from France, andhe kept pronouncing Missouri misery all the time.
And we just got such a kick out of that.
It's just something that stuck with me all these years.
Oh, you're from St.
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Louis misery, Kansas City misery.
But anyway, we will come back.
But yeah, so AI is cool.
It was very easy to do.
Did, I think you also play a little bit with Claude.
Is that right?
So I feel like open our ChatGPT and cloud are probably two of the bigger ones.
I know if they're the biggest, but, um, they feel like they are.
But, um, yeah, but check out the blog post and get your, uh, dip your toes in the AIcoolness and goodness and see what you can do.
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so for Into The Box that's coming up, uh, we got some big news Into The Box 2026 is out.
Now out and the call for speakers will be announced in a few days.
In a few days is all it says.
So I'm assuming either later this week or certainly next week, but it's coming call forspeakers for Into The Box 2026.
David, I know you're out there.
You're listening.
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Put it on your calendar and maybe we'll see you next year.
Hopefully come to sunny.
Well, hopefully it's sunny, but come to scenic Washington DC and come hang out with all ofus and happy box.
So we got some releases and this is kind of interesting to me because I have not playedwith these.
Maybe you can maybe give some insights into some of it.
For BoxLang we have a TextMate bundle and a Monaco editor released.
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Oh, David's going to be at Into The Box Okay, I guess I will go.
Can you talk to us a little bit, have you had a chance to look at the TextMate or theMonaco stuff that Luis has been doing?
I have a little bit.
I'm actually, very excited about this as well.
I haven't gotten to dive into it as much as I would like to, but I'm looking forward todoing that over the next few weeks.
So for those of you who don't know, TextMate is an editor and out of that came a standardfor writing syntax highlighters for giving, you know, a rich editing experience inside of
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an IDE.
so Luis has kind of taken charge on these and he's produced several different syntax.
libraries for us so that we can get better BoxLang experiences in like the VS Codeextension or in the Monaco editor.
And so that's going to be coming soon to a lot of our tooling environments.
Nice, I know this is up your alley, cause you're actually gonna talk about this in a fewminutes about the BoxLang extension, but we're gonna, no spoilers.
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We'll get to that in a minute.
And so finally under another release, we've got the BVM V1.15 release, enhanced securityinsights and reliability for BoxLang.
What is the BVM, Jacob?
So I think that this stands for BoxLang Version Manager.
It does.
It absolutely stands for BoxLang Version Manager.
Alright, I passed the test.
Okay, you're not going to be called into a meeting with Luis later.
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Well, I mean, you will be, but not because of this.
There'll be other cool stuff.
He's like, I had this awesome idea, Jacob, go do it.
You're like, okay.
So what is the BoxLang version manager?
So the BoxLang Version Manager is a tool that will give you the ability to switcheffortlessly between different BoxLang versions, which is important because we release new
versions quite frequently.
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switching between those can be a bit of a chore without the Version Manager.
That's right.
trying to get to my, I've got multiple monitors going on.
I'm trying to get to the chat to post these links here.
I also feel like sometimes Luis like goes to bed, has a dream and then wakes up and likehas an idea for a new module and just does it.
because then like a day later it's like, okay, we just released BoxLang blah, blah, blah.
And it's awesome.
And we're like, that is awesome.
Mm-hmm.
Or he's working with BoxLang and he's like, this is annoying.
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I need a better way of doing this.
And he just like writes a new thing, like the BoxLang version manager to like help himtoggle between versions.
It's probably not too far off.
The truth is it.
No, I think that's right on.
Yep.
Nice.
and then to kind of round out the BoxLang discussion, something we're trying to do eachepisode is to kind of talk about some BoxLang FAQs, some things you might not know about
BoxLang, some things we find interesting, we think you might find interesting.
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And since I've got Jacob here, I would love it, Jacob, if you can pontificate on what isthe BoxLang extension for VS code and why use it.
And why, Jacob, am I specifically excited that you're going to talk about it?
Well, I can't read your mind Daniel, but my guess would be that you're excited about itbecause I've kind of been running point on that and been responsible for it over the past
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couple of months.
So that would be my guess.
Yeah.
You and I can go on the road with this kind of a, you know, what am I thinking?
I'm thinking you're an idiot.
No, wait, no, no, that's not what I'm thinking.
That's what you're thinking.
Anyway, tell us about the BoxLang extension for VS Code.
What is it and why should everybody start using it now or after this episode, but today?
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Well, the BoxLang VS Code extension is our official offering for developer tooling.
It's like I said, it's available in VS Code and on both the VS Code official marketplaceand the OpenVSX marketplace now.
And the reason that you should use it is because it's the first party support for theBoxLang language and it also includes support for the for ColdFusion as well and so we We
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didn't write this from scratch.
We're building this on top of the open source initiatives that have come before us Sowe're keeping a lot of the goodies that they already have in place, but now we're taking
responsibility for the parts that we use and
using that to be able to offer the best experience for you as a developer.
And so that means that we have, because we're taking that seriously and takingresponsibility for it, that means that we also get to build a lot of cool things for it,
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things that we use on a daily basis.
That means things like the line debugger, which Bill has recently done a really greatseries on, kind of introducing how to use that, that you can look up on our YouTube
channel.
I think we also...
uh
Boxley Academy.
It's just free right now.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
fact, I'm going to post that link as well.
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Yeah, no, that's a great resource.
And then in addition to that, we even have integration with the BoxLang CLI tools like thefeature audit and the compiler and things like that that you can integrate with directly
in VS code.
And then we have a lot of tools that we're working on building and making even better.
Like we just talked about the TextMate.
bundle.
And so that's going to give us better syntax highlighting and awareness in there.
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I can't talk too much about it just yet, but we have some things that are kind of cookingbehind the scenes that we're looking to release here in the next couple of months that are
going to really launch us forward in terms of features and offerings and making it areally excellent developer experience.
So I'm looking forward to sharing more about that in the future.
Can you tell me about it later on today?
yeah, for sure.
As soon as we stop recording.
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eh
like, nope, you gotta attend the, you gotta wait for the episode.
Man.
So yeah, we, there's actually been a lot of excitement with, with the VS Code extension.
As you mentioned, there's been ColdFusion extensions out there for years and we applaudthe efforts of those who have built them, but some of them have been kind of not really
been maintained and they were cool for its time.
But that's a lot of work doing some of this.
And those people that volunteer, they probably also have regular jobs and other prioritiesand things like that.
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So when we were doing BoxLang, we're like, Hey, let's, we can do this and you know, HeyJacob, we'll pay you to do this.
So even better.
And, we, did.
And I think a big FAQ about this is it's not just for BoxLang.
It's obviously called the BoxLang extension, but you can also use it for ColdFusion code,CFML code.
And so, as David puts out in the chat, he loves it and it's now his main CFML extension.
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So.
Keep that in mind.
Maybe you've tried some of the others and they weren't quite your thing, or maybe youtried, you know, some other builder type things and that wasn't quite your thing.
Try this.
And if you're something you don't like or you got a suggestion, go ping Jacob on Slack orwherever and he'll listen to you.
Doesn't mean he's going to do it right away because he's like very busy, but he loves tohear ideas.
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He loves to reach out to the community and we'll improve it.
And yeah, it's something we're very excited about.
And thank you, Jacob.
You've really taken the.
bow by the horns and ran with it, which is awesome.
Daniel.
Appreciate that.
Okay, I think that wraps up the BoxLang and Ortus stuff.
So let's move on to CFML updates.
So as we mentioned before, we've got CBWire, CBWire smart UIs with simpler development.
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And we've got a blog post where you can talk about that.
And when you're at Into the Box, I'm sorry, Into the Box, we will talk about CBWirebecause of course we will.
But if you're at Summit this fall, you can also go to that workshop we talked about.
And we'll...
Mentioned again in just a little bit.
Um, Next we've got Adobe ColdFusion There's a security update available.
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APSB 2569.
Um, I'll go ahead and put the link out there for it.
I was looking at it and I didn't, what normally happens when these things come out, I lookat it, I read the bulletin.
I read, okay, what is, I see the vulnerabilities is a bunch of stuff that they'reremediating.
What does that mean?
And then you what I do, Jacob?
I'll tell you.
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I immediately go to Charlie Earhart's blog because I know Charlie puts a nice,well-written, well-researched blog article talking about what this is, why it is, what we
need to do and really kind of, you know, if Adobe just gives you the facts, Charlie givesyou the context and talks about what to do.
And he's been out for a very long time.
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Charlie's awesome.
invite the karaoke singer, which David, you would have known had you joined us this year.
But hopefully everyone will be there next year and you'll see for yourself.
But if you go through, he kind of talks about what you need to do, why you need to do itand all that.
Just in general, whenever you see any sort of ColdFusion updates being released, I mean,go read the official Adobe docs because they're the ones releasing it.
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But then soon after, go to Charlie's site, careheart.org, blog.
He's more likely than that.
We'll have something out there kind of talking about it and maybe some gotchas or,sometimes, you know, Hey, a release gets put out there and people rushed to do it, but he
found a problem.
He might even be, Hey, hold off because of this or that, or if you've got some veryspecific, you know, edge case or use case, maybe you don't want to do it.
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but certainly go there and check it out.
does a lot of work, a lot of effort and we appreciate them.
So that's the Adobe update.
And then, um, the other thing talking about Lucee is it looks like Lucee version 6.2.266RC final release candidate is out there.
I know.
They say it's the final, well, they said it's the final, final release candidate.
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Um, you know, we're all software developers and I would not hold my breath or be surprisedif there is a final, final, final release candidate, but it sounds like they're getting
very close to having that out there.
which is great.
I'm gonna see what it is that they, I was looking earlier, but let's say there's somesecurity updates, some updates to the Postgres JDBC, some upgrades to the MySQL JDBC, some
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threading, some regression testing with time zones, things like that.
So I would definitely go and check that out.
And moving on, um, did you, I know if you had a chance to look at this one, Jacob, um, BenNadel is a bloggy old Ben always blogs, but I picked out one of his blog articles talking
about closures.
Um, apparently closures do not work in Adobe ColdFusion custom tags.
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Um, it never occurred to me to try using a closure and an Adobe ColdFusion custom tag,but, apparently they do not work.
And so let's go ahead and put that out there.
shit.
I actually did not get a chance to read this other than I saw it.
want to make sure we talked about it because it never Ben, but whenever Ben blogs, I feellike, Hey, we should post about it talk about it.
Um,
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Well, I did have a chance to go over it just briefly so I can kind of speak to that.
Yeah, so just the gist is that passing the closure around from the tags doesn't seem towork.
It gets lost in translation.
It doesn't get passed into the calling context like you would expect it to.
And so he's gone ahead and created a bug ticket for that.
So hopefully Adobe is aware of it and will...
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Get that fixed.
And what is a closure?
I'm asking this for the internet people that might not know, because we have people thatwatch that are newer and then we have people that watch that are old or seasoned.
Well, like I'm well seasoned.
I'm not old, I'm seasoned.
What is a closure, Jacob?
So a closure, it can mean different things in different contexts, but I think the moststraightforward definition of it is just a function that has been defined in some sort of
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context that has variables around it.
um And then it references the variables that were defined outside of it.
So if you have like, know, var message equals hello world, and then you, and actually thisis very close to Ben Nadel's example.
And then immediately after that, you define a function.
that say returns message, right?
That function definition is closing over the message variable and it's able to referenceit even though it's not defined within that function.
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Hence the name Closure.
Yes.
Very clever.
Very clever.
So yeah, definitely go check that out.
And then our friends over at Masa CMS, they released version 7.5.1 of their release.
Not a big release, but they're actively working on their product, improving it, making itcooler.
I should say it's already kind of cool.
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If you don't know what Masa is, if you remember back in the day, there was the whole MuraCMS.
the Masa CMS is a fork of Mura because Mura at one point was open source and then theystopped being open source and so on because they were open source the fine folks over at
Masa went ahead and forked it and continuing the development of it so looks like there issome ACF remoting functions that were fixed a small JS bug couple little things but yeah
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it's they're actively working it, actively maintaining it and if you're looking for
a content management system that is not ContentBox, I would urge you to check out MASA.
And I think that's it for the CFML updates.
I we are cruising right along.
So we're going to talk about some events and I'll talk about the first.
What's that?
I'm excited about these announcements.
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Let's go.
I'm talk about the first one and I'm going to you talk about the second one because well,you know why.
So the first one is ITB.
We mentioned this already.
Into the Box 2026 is now out and the call for speakers will be announced in a few days.
I'm looking at you, David.
Well, not really, because that'd be kind of weird, but looking at the chat for David, say,why don't you submit something?
And you know, you always enjoy seeing you and hearing you talk.
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But anyway, we've got the Eventbrite out there.
We'll get that link.
We got the Into the Box site, IntotheBox.org.
and you stay tuned on the socials and community channels if you want to learn more.
But you better believe it, when we have news, we have a really awesome marketing team thatgoes out there and just promotes, promotes, promotes.
And we love them for it because it is so awesome to develop, develop, develop, and thempromote, promote, promote.
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Mm-hmm.
And so, what's the next one there, sir?
All right, so the next one up is the Adobe ColdFusion Summit 2025 plus CBWire Workshop.
So in the next coming months, actually September 22nd through 23rd, Adobe is gonna behosting their ColdFusion Summit in Las Vegas.
And I'm particularly very excited about that because I'll be giving a talk there.
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And so I would love to see anybody who's interested in going there, feel free to come overand say hi to me or...
to the other Ortus members that are gonna be there.
I think we've got a couple people going this year.
And so yeah, I think that's gonna be a lot of fun.
My talk is not Ortus related.
It's just about Git and how you can get smarter on the command line.
Yep.
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and then I was just going to say that, Grant will be sharing some stuff with CBWire, whichwill be really exciting.
Awesome.
Yeah, I saw your, I saw the description for your talk and now I'm kind of sad that I'm notgoing cause I would absolutely have gone to your session.
it's one of those things where it Gits been around a long time and people kind of don't,you know, there's a lot that people still don't really know about it or use probably
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unless you do it every day.
And so I would expect that your talk is going to talk about a lot of that stuff as well.
I'm excited for you too.
yeah, can I share a story really quick?
Do we have time for that?
Okay, great.
So every time I submit for an event like this, I always put out a couple of talks that I'mreally excited about, and then I throw out some filler as well, just to kind of see what
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sticks.
And I'm going to be honest with you, audience.
It was definitely my filler talk.
oh
I told them that I said, you know, I'll give a talk on 20 tips for using Git.
And then after they picked it, I was sitting down to write it and I was like, oh man, Idon't know if I can think of 20 things.
But I persevered and now I've got nearly 20.
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I'll have 20 by September.
Really great tips that I'm really excited about.
knowing you, you're probably gonna have more than 20 by September.
But that's cause you're not just an achiever, you're an overachiever.
But it's kind of funny sometimes when we all submit, well, I don't know about everybody,but when I submit to conferences as well, you submit a few to try and see what might catch
someone's interest.
And there's always that one you're really excited about and the one that like, yeah, I'lldo it if they want.
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But, and sometimes it's the one that, it's not that it's a great session, it is.
but it might not be as exciting as say BoxLang AI stuff that you might want to talk aboutor whatever.
Absolutely and you know sometimes the the talk that you're really excited about You're soexcited about it that you let it That you don't put the the discipline into it to make it
really excellent But if it's the one that you weren't looking forward to you have toreally put that elbow grease in to make it perform
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Yep.
Obviously you would not have submitted a BoxLang AI to CFSummit, but that was just anexample in general of just, you might be really excited about AI, but you're going to go
with Git.
So it should be a really, you are, you will be excited.
And I think I heard a rumor that, I just made it up, that if you see Jacob at Summit andcome up and say, hello, he will autograph your copy of the BoxLang VS Code extension.
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If you bring me a copy of the VS Code extension, somehow I will autograph it.
If you burn it on a CD.
to do it, but he will do it.
Get a little sticker or something to slap on your laptop or something.
That'd be great.
Awesome.
so, so yeah, definitely check out summits Adobe ColdFusion Summit 2025.
We were just at the DevBCN conference and we got the slides up for that, the building adynamic future with BoxLang.
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Let me put that out there.
I'm gonna kinda show through some of these.
We also have the Into The Box video series is now live on CFCast.
It was live on CFCast last time too, but it's still live on CFCast.
For the premium series, you can go on there.
If you are a ticket holder, you should have gotten some sort of access to it.
And if not, reach out.
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Patreons get free access to the series because we love you and wanna say thank you.
If you just want to, if you are not a Patreon and you're not,
An attendee, you can still purchase the series for just $250 on demand lifetime access.
then all the, if you're a CF subscriber that are not a Patreon and did not go Into TheBox, those videos should be available, I want to say November 1st, I'm being told.
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And so either way you're going to get them.
But definitely if you attended Into The Box and you haven't gotten them yet and you don'thave an email from us, please reach out and we will make sure you get all the goodness.
And then coming up, the July webinar is with...
I was trying to feed it over to you, Jacob.
Hey Jacob, who's the July webinar with?
Ray Camden.
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Let's build an app with BoxLang
Awesome.
It's going to be on Wednesday, July 23rd.
So next week at 11 AM Chicago time.
So that is next week, right?
Yes.
Next week.
Not KC Mo time, Chicago time.
Free tickets available to register to get access at Eventbrite.
And then there's also the CF Camp Slides recordings up on the Ortus site and the YouTubechannel.
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If you went to CF Camp.
I that was an awesome time.
I'm sorry I missed it, but they've got their videos from the Ortus stuff up there so youcan see it.
And if you just want to go buy the videos from CF Camp as well, they're doing the samething.
They're putting them out there and you can purchase them and at least get some of that funand goodness.
Okay, it is about that time.
We want to say thank you to everyone.
We want to thank you to all our Patreon sponsors.
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These individuals are personally supporting open source initiatives to ensure the greattoolings like CommandBox, ForgeBox, ColdBox, ContentBox TestBox, and the BoxLang VS Code
Extension.
Want to make sure they keep getting all the continuous development and loving that theyneed.
Their contributions from the cloud infrastructure that our community relies on likeForgeBox or Package Management with
and you can also support us on Patreon and I'll get that link here.
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And Jacob, you want to tell them about the annual memberships and some of the cool goodstuff they get?
Yeah, absolutely.
with our annual membership, they're great for businesses and individuals, but it lookslike we have a bronze package and up now gets access to Forgebox Pro and CFCast
subscriptions, which is awesome because we've got a lot of great content there.
All Patreon supporters have a profile badge on the community website so you can show yoursupport.
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All Patreon supporters have their own private forum access on the community website so youcan get
expert Ortus help straight from the source.
And all Patreon supporters have their own private channel access BoxTeam Slack.
So if the forum isn't fast enough for you, you can go and send out your messages on Slackand see what happens.
And it looks like we also have a plan where you can pay for the year and save 10 %annually.
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So that's a great deal.
That's a bargain at any price.
And even though we do have, we're talking about these Patreon features for the communitywebsite and the Slack.
We've also, it's also available for others too.
And so if just in general, go to our Slack, go to BoxTeam Slack, go to the communitywebsite, go ahead and post questions and you'll get answered and check us out.
Find us online, find Jacob on there.
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Jacob monitors that stuff.
He'll be in the BoxTeam Slack as well.
In fact, sometimes I'll see a message, somebody's asking about the BoxLang extension andI'll be like, at Jacob, just to tag him so he gets a little ding, say, hey buddy, somebody
needs some help.
So many more Patreons, I think we're up to 61 now, maybe a few more I have to doublecheck, but you can see an up-to-date list of all our sponsors at the Ortus Solutions
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website.
And I went ahead and pasted that link.
That's it, man, we made it.
Another episode.
Done and in the books.
We want to thank for tuning in.
We especially again want to show, feel like we've just been shouting out David the wholetime, but I feel like David likes hearing David's name, David Belanger's name said on the
internet.
So I will say David Belanger's name one more time, as I say BoxLang.
And thank you for coming out.
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Thank you for tuning in.
I'm very excited that you're going to be in DC next year and everyone else that'swatching.
We appreciate you and we will see all of you again in a couple of weeks.
So take care everybody.
All right, have a good one.
Welcome everybody.
My name is Daniel Garcia.
I am your co-host for the day.
This is the Modernize or Die podcast.
are episode number 237.
Today is July 15th, 2025.
And I, of course, joined by,
My name is Jacob Beers.
I'm a senior web developer at Ortus Solutions and actually this is my second time on thepodcast.
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But not the last.
We're very excited.
Well, Jacob joined Ortus about a year and a half ago.
Was it two years?
Actually almost two years.
Yeah
two years.
Yeah, cause I'll be almost four years in a couple more weeks.
And he's been a great addition to the team.
And if you haven't, don't know who he is, what's wrong with you, you should, causeeverybody should know Jacob.
And if you've been exploring the BoxLang ecosystem, some things we're to talk about alittle bit today, you will know that Jacob is Señor VS Code BoxLang extension, amongst
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other things.
But hey, you feeling well, my friend?
I'm doing well, you know, it's a good day and I'm glad to be here.
So excited about all the things we're going to talk about.
It's good day indeed.
OK, let's get started with the Ortus news.
So first up, speaking of the BoxLang VS code extension has been published.
You want to tell us all about that?
Yeah, I'd love to tell you about that.
So actually, it has been published for a while on the VS Code Marketplace, but we haveadded publishing the extension to the OpenVSX Marketplace.
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So there's actually a link there that we're going to paste in the chat that you can use togo and inspect that.
And the awesome thing about this is that it just
It makes it available to people who don't want to be locked into the Microsoft.
extension marketplace for VS code.
So OpenVSX is a really cool project that has just looked to create an open sourcealternative so that we can have healthy competition in the editor and IDE marketplace.
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So I think that's a pretty exciting thing.
We've gotten a lot of requests from this from people from the community and so we're happyto be able to deliver on that.
please go if you use OpenVSX and you've been waiting for this, please go
Give it a spin and shoot me your feedback through Slack and let me know if it's workingwell for you.
That's awesome.
Anyone you want to shout out in the community that's like, Jacob, do this.
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I don't know that I could shout out anyone particular because there's been so many peopleasking for it that I feel bad leaving everybody out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
fair.
Well, speaking of shouting out people, I want to shout out to David Belanger, our buddydown in South America, joining us up here and joining us in the chat.
Hey, David.
So today's episode or this week's episode is sponsored by Ortus Solutions.
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Hey, big surprise there because we are Ortus.
But specifically, it's sponsored by CBWire.
The fastest way to build reactive modern UIs without leaving your CFML server.
With CBWire, you can forget about the complex front-end frameworks and endless JavaScript.
That sounds really good to me.
CBWire brings simplicity, speed, and power to your development workflow by letting youbuild dynamic real-time interfaces directly in ColdBox.
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So whether you're modernizing legacy apps, launching new ones, CBWire helps developers andcompanies ship faster with cleaner, more maintainable code.
And you know what you could do, Jacob?
What can I do?
If you're ready to level up, you can join our two day CBWire workshop right after Adobe CFSummit 2025, led by Grant Copley and Luis Majano and get hands on with everything you need
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to master CBWire.
That's September 24th to 25th in Las Vegas, Nevada.
So if you're going out to the conference and you're going to a CF Summit, you'representing at CF Summit, which is awesome.
while you're there, I'm sure you'll be hanging out with Luis and Grant and talk at someCBWire stuff among other things and.
Yeah.
should be a good time.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.
actually I hope that I've already got a list of CBWIRE questions that I'm going to harassGrant with while I'm there.
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Nice.
I'm going to ahead and paste this link out there.
So if you want to register as well, did not paste right.
I need to get the link.
Sorry, when I put the show notes together, I always put the full link that I could justcopy paste as opposed to like, you know, the embedded link that you have to click on to
copy paste and well.
such as life.
Anyway, so going to the BoxLang, BoxLang, BoxLang.
I want to talk about BoxLang.
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I know you want to talk about BoxLang.
If Luis was here, he would want to talk about BoxLang.
So let's talk about BoxLang.
eh All things BoxLang.
We do love ColdFusion, but we also really love BoxLang, BoxLang, BoxLang.
Okay.
I wonder if there's like a record for how many times I could say the word BoxLang in anepisode and not annoy people.
we need a BoxLang counter where every time you say it, it like dings in the background orsomething.
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BoxLang, drinking game.
Well, no, let's not do that.
That can be bad.
Oh man.
Jacob's idea is for happy box next year.
Every time Luis says the word BoxLang, everybody drinks something from their favoritebeverage.
Okay.
So starting out, that is truly happy box, happiest of boxes.
so starting out with the community, we've got our buddy Raymond Camden.
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I'm doing a few blog articles.
He's been.
Working with BoxLang and he's been trying it out, kicking the tires, blogging about it.
We appreciate him for everything he does.
And he's got some blog posts talking about creating a calendar with BoxLang and thencreating a calendar with BoxLang part.
Deux part.
It's, it's too French for two part.
He's down in Alabama somewhere.
So I don't know if he's like part of the French speaking people down there, but, or ifhe's just being pithy, but,
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Hey, David says, BeetleJuice shows up after the third BoxLang.
Cool.
so anyway, we're going to post those links to there.
Are you posting them in the chat there?
Jacob is, don't see them.
I'm making the same mistake that you were talking about earlier.
I should click on live chat and not top chat.
Do you need me to click and paste it?
You know what?
I'm going to paste it and why don't you talk to us about the next two blog articles.
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And I'll just paste them all.
Yep.
So Ray has actually, he's been on a blogging spree, which if you've met Ray on theinternet, then you would know that he blogs all over the place.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
So in addition to his calendar blog series, part one and part two, he's also done someseries on.
building a CSV report CLI tool in BoxLang, which looks pretty interesting.
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If you're not familiar with that, we have been building out BoxLang not just to be a webruntime, but to really be able to run everywhere.
And that includes on the CLI.
So it's awesome to see somebody, especially Ray, leveraging those tools and building outsomething that runs BoxLang in an environment that maybe we haven't had the opportunity to
with ColdFusion in the past.
We've always had CommandBox, so we've been able to run ColdFusion on the CLI like that,but now it's a little bit more native with BoxLang.
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So go check that uh And then we have another blog series from him called AI with BL.
And this is of course leveraging the BX AI module that we've been working really hard onhere at Ortus, which gives you access to the vast array of...
large language models that have recently become available and even has things like toolsupport and a lot of awesome configuration out of the box that you can use in your
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application.
Nice.
And you've actually had a chance to play with some of this stuff too, haven't you?
With some proof of concepts and coding around and messing around.
And I think you were integrating with OpenAI, is that correct?
Yeah, actually, and you know because you were there, we were able to integrate with acouple of different AI providers and it went, I mean I had high expectations for it going
into it, but actually it worked even better than I thought it was going to, so I was verypleased, yeah.
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I was there watching Jacob work with BoxLang AI and cheering him on and getting him coffeeand anything else he needed, which is quite the trick because I'm in Chicagoland and he's
in Kansas City land.
What's the, actually, what do they call Kansas City land?
it KC land?
Is there a name for your area that people should know?
Yes, everyone, everyone, and it's okay if you ask me this, but everybody thinks that I'mfrom Kansas City, Kansas, but I'm actually from Kansas City, Missouri, and we call that
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KCMO.
So there you go.
That's right.
I pronounce it misery, but I know what you're talking about.
No, it was funny.
In high school, we had a foreign exchange student, really nice guy, he's from France, andhe kept pronouncing Missouri misery all the time.
And we just got such a kick out of that.
It's just something that stuck with me all these years.
Oh, you're from St.
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Louis misery, Kansas City misery.
But anyway, we will come back.
But yeah, so AI is cool.
It was very easy to do.
Did, I think you also play a little bit with Claude.
Is that right?
So I feel like open our ChatGPT and cloud are probably two of the bigger ones.
I know if they're the biggest, but, um, they feel like they are.
But, um, yeah, but check out the blog post and get your, uh, dip your toes in the AIcoolness and goodness and see what you can do.
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so for Into The Box that's coming up, uh, we got some big news Into The Box 2026 is out.
Now out and the call for speakers will be announced in a few days.
In a few days is all it says.
So I'm assuming either later this week or certainly next week, but it's coming call forspeakers for Into The Box 2026.
David, I know you're out there.
You're listening.
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Put it on your calendar and maybe we'll see you next year.
Hopefully come to sunny.
Well, hopefully it's sunny, but come to scenic Washington DC and come hang out with all ofus and happy box.
So we got some releases and this is kind of interesting to me because I have not playedwith these.
Maybe you can maybe give some insights into some of it.
For BoxLang we have a TextMate bundle and a Monaco editor released.
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Oh, David's going to be at Into The Box Okay, I guess I will go.
Can you talk to us a little bit, have you had a chance to look at the TextMate or theMonaco stuff that Luis has been doing?
I have a little bit.
I'm actually, very excited about this as well.
I haven't gotten to dive into it as much as I would like to, but I'm looking forward todoing that over the next few weeks.
So for those of you who don't know, TextMate is an editor and out of that came a standardfor writing syntax highlighters for giving, you know, a rich editing experience inside of
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an IDE.
so Luis has kind of taken charge on these and he's produced several different syntax.
libraries for us so that we can get better BoxLang experiences in like the VS Codeextension or in the Monaco editor.
And so that's going to be coming soon to a lot of our tooling environments.
Nice, I know this is up your alley, cause you're actually gonna talk about this in a fewminutes about the BoxLang extension, but we're gonna, no spoilers.
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We'll get to that in a minute.
And so finally under another release, we've got the BVM V1.15 release, enhanced securityinsights and reliability for BoxLang.
What is the BVM, Jacob?
So I think that this stands for BoxLang Version Manager.
It does.
It absolutely stands for BoxLang Version Manager.
Alright, I passed the test.
Okay, you're not going to be called into a meeting with Luis later.
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Well, I mean, you will be, but not because of this.
There'll be other cool stuff.
He's like, I had this awesome idea, Jacob, go do it.
You're like, okay.
So what is the BoxLang version manager?
So the BoxLang Version Manager is a tool that will give you the ability to switcheffortlessly between different BoxLang versions, which is important because we release new
versions quite frequently.
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switching between those can be a bit of a chore without the Version Manager.
That's right.
trying to get to my, I've got multiple monitors going on.
I'm trying to get to the chat to post these links here.
I also feel like sometimes Luis like goes to bed, has a dream and then wakes up and likehas an idea for a new module and just does it.
because then like a day later it's like, okay, we just released BoxLang blah, blah, blah.
And it's awesome.
And we're like, that is awesome.
Mm-hmm.
Or he's working with BoxLang and he's like, this is annoying.
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I need a better way of doing this.
And he just like writes a new thing, like the BoxLang version manager to like help himtoggle between versions.
It's probably not too far off.
The truth is it.
No, I think that's right on.
Yep.
Nice.
and then to kind of round out the BoxLang discussion, something we're trying to do eachepisode is to kind of talk about some BoxLang FAQs, some things you might not know about
BoxLang, some things we find interesting, we think you might find interesting.
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And since I've got Jacob here, I would love it, Jacob, if you can pontificate on what isthe BoxLang extension for VS code and why use it.
And why, Jacob, am I specifically excited that you're going to talk about it?
Well, I can't read your mind Daniel, but my guess would be that you're excited about itbecause I've kind of been running point on that and been responsible for it over the past
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couple of months.
So that would be my guess.
Yeah.
You and I can go on the road with this kind of a, you know, what am I thinking?
I'm thinking you're an idiot.
No, wait, no, no, that's not what I'm thinking.
That's what you're thinking.
Anyway, tell us about the BoxLang extension for VS Code.
What is it and why should everybody start using it now or after this episode, but today?
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Well, the BoxLang VS Code extension is our official offering for developer tooling.
It's like I said, it's available in VS Code and on both the VS Code official marketplaceand the OpenVSX marketplace now.
And the reason that you should use it is because it's the first party support for theBoxLang language and it also includes support for the for ColdFusion as well and so we We
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didn't write this from scratch.
We're building this on top of the open source initiatives that have come before us Sowe're keeping a lot of the goodies that they already have in place, but now we're taking
responsibility for the parts that we use and
using that to be able to offer the best experience for you as a developer.
And so that means that we have, because we're taking that seriously and takingresponsibility for it, that means that we also get to build a lot of cool things for it,
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things that we use on a daily basis.
That means things like the line debugger, which Bill has recently done a really greatseries on, kind of introducing how to use that, that you can look up on our YouTube
channel.
I think we also...
uh
Boxley Academy.
It's just free right now.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
fact, I'm going to post that link as well.
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Yeah, no, that's a great resource.
And then in addition to that, we even have integration with the BoxLang CLI tools like thefeature audit and the compiler and things like that that you can integrate with directly
in VS code.
And then we have a lot of tools that we're working on building and making even better.
Like we just talked about the TextMate.
bundle.
And so that's going to give us better syntax highlighting and awareness in there.
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I can't talk too much about it just yet, but we have some things that are kind of cookingbehind the scenes that we're looking to release here in the next couple of months that are
going to really launch us forward in terms of features and offerings and making it areally excellent developer experience.
So I'm looking forward to sharing more about that in the future.
Can you tell me about it later on today?
yeah, for sure.
As soon as we stop recording.
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eh
like, nope, you gotta attend the, you gotta wait for the episode.
Man.
So yeah, we, there's actually been a lot of excitement with, with the VS Code extension.
As you mentioned, there's been ColdFusion extensions out there for years and we applaudthe efforts of those who have built them, but some of them have been kind of not really
been maintained and they were cool for its time.
But that's a lot of work doing some of this.
And those people that volunteer, they probably also have regular jobs and other prioritiesand things like that.
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So when we were doing BoxLang, we're like, Hey, let's, we can do this and you know, HeyJacob, we'll pay you to do this.
So even better.
And, we, did.
And I think a big FAQ about this is it's not just for BoxLang.
It's obviously called the BoxLang extension, but you can also use it for ColdFusion code,CFML code.
And so, as David puts out in the chat, he loves it and it's now his main CFML extension.
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So.
Keep that in mind.
Maybe you've tried some of the others and they weren't quite your thing, or maybe youtried, you know, some other builder type things and that wasn't quite your thing.
Try this.
And if you're something you don't like or you got a suggestion, go ping Jacob on Slack orwherever and he'll listen to you.
Doesn't mean he's going to do it right away because he's like very busy, but he loves tohear ideas.
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He loves to reach out to the community and we'll improve it.
And yeah, it's something we're very excited about.
And thank you, Jacob.
You've really taken the.
bow by the horns and ran with it, which is awesome.
Daniel.
Appreciate that.
Okay, I think that wraps up the BoxLang and Ortus stuff.
So let's move on to CFML updates.
So as we mentioned before, we've got CBWire, CBWire smart UIs with simpler development.
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And we've got a blog post where you can talk about that.
And when you're at Into the Box, I'm sorry, Into the Box, we will talk about CBWirebecause of course we will.
But if you're at Summit this fall, you can also go to that workshop we talked about.
And we'll...
Mentioned again in just a little bit.
Um, Next we've got Adobe ColdFusion There's a security update available.
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APSB 2569.
Um, I'll go ahead and put the link out there for it.
I was looking at it and I didn't, what normally happens when these things come out, I lookat it, I read the bulletin.
I read, okay, what is, I see the vulnerabilities is a bunch of stuff that they'reremediating.
What does that mean?
And then you what I do, Jacob?
I'll tell you.
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I immediately go to Charlie Earhart's blog because I know Charlie puts a nice,well-written, well-researched blog article talking about what this is, why it is, what we
need to do and really kind of, you know, if Adobe just gives you the facts, Charlie givesyou the context and talks about what to do.
And he's been out for a very long time.
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Charlie's awesome.
invite the karaoke singer, which David, you would have known had you joined us this year.
But hopefully everyone will be there next year and you'll see for yourself.
But if you go through, he kind of talks about what you need to do, why you need to do itand all that.
Just in general, whenever you see any sort of ColdFusion updates being released, I mean,go read the official Adobe docs because they're the ones releasing it.
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But then soon after, go to Charlie's site, careheart.org, blog.
He's more likely than that.
We'll have something out there kind of talking about it and maybe some gotchas or,sometimes, you know, Hey, a release gets put out there and people rushed to do it, but he
found a problem.
He might even be, Hey, hold off because of this or that, or if you've got some veryspecific, you know, edge case or use case, maybe you don't want to do it.
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but certainly go there and check it out.
does a lot of work, a lot of effort and we appreciate them.
So that's the Adobe update.
And then, um, the other thing talking about Lucee is it looks like Lucee version 6.2.266RC final release candidate is out there.
I know.
They say it's the final, well, they said it's the final, final release candidate.
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Um, you know, we're all software developers and I would not hold my breath or be surprisedif there is a final, final, final release candidate, but it sounds like they're getting
very close to having that out there.
which is great.
I'm gonna see what it is that they, I was looking earlier, but let's say there's somesecurity updates, some updates to the Postgres JDBC, some upgrades to the MySQL JDBC, some
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threading, some regression testing with time zones, things like that.
So I would definitely go and check that out.
And moving on, um, did you, I know if you had a chance to look at this one, Jacob, um, BenNadel is a bloggy old Ben always blogs, but I picked out one of his blog articles talking
about closures.
Um, apparently closures do not work in Adobe ColdFusion custom tags.
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Um, it never occurred to me to try using a closure and an Adobe ColdFusion custom tag,but, apparently they do not work.
And so let's go ahead and put that out there.
shit.
I actually did not get a chance to read this other than I saw it.
want to make sure we talked about it because it never Ben, but whenever Ben blogs, I feellike, Hey, we should post about it talk about it.
Um,
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Well, I did have a chance to go over it just briefly so I can kind of speak to that.
Yeah, so just the gist is that passing the closure around from the tags doesn't seem towork.
It gets lost in translation.
It doesn't get passed into the calling context like you would expect it to.
And so he's gone ahead and created a bug ticket for that.
So hopefully Adobe is aware of it and will...
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Get that fixed.
And what is a closure?
I'm asking this for the internet people that might not know, because we have people thatwatch that are newer and then we have people that watch that are old or seasoned.
Well, like I'm well seasoned.
I'm not old, I'm seasoned.
What is a closure, Jacob?
So a closure, it can mean different things in different contexts, but I think the moststraightforward definition of it is just a function that has been defined in some sort of
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context that has variables around it.
um And then it references the variables that were defined outside of it.
So if you have like, know, var message equals hello world, and then you, and actually thisis very close to Ben Nadel's example.
And then immediately after that, you define a function.
that say returns message, right?
That function definition is closing over the message variable and it's able to referenceit even though it's not defined within that function.
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Hence the name Closure.
Yes.
Very clever.
Very clever.
So yeah, definitely go check that out.
And then our friends over at Masa CMS, they released version 7.5.1 of their release.
Not a big release, but they're actively working on their product, improving it, making itcooler.
I should say it's already kind of cool.
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If you don't know what Masa is, if you remember back in the day, there was the whole MuraCMS.
the Masa CMS is a fork of Mura because Mura at one point was open source and then theystopped being open source and so on because they were open source the fine folks over at
Masa went ahead and forked it and continuing the development of it so looks like there issome ACF remoting functions that were fixed a small JS bug couple little things but yeah
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it's they're actively working it, actively maintaining it and if you're looking for
a content management system that is not ContentBox, I would urge you to check out MASA.
And I think that's it for the CFML updates.
I we are cruising right along.
So we're going to talk about some events and I'll talk about the first.
What's that?
I'm excited about these announcements.
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Let's go.
I'm talk about the first one and I'm going to you talk about the second one because well,you know why.
So the first one is ITB.
We mentioned this already.
Into the Box 2026 is now out and the call for speakers will be announced in a few days.
I'm looking at you, David.
Well, not really, because that'd be kind of weird, but looking at the chat for David, say,why don't you submit something?
And you know, you always enjoy seeing you and hearing you talk.
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But anyway, we've got the Eventbrite out there.
We'll get that link.
We got the Into the Box site, IntotheBox.org.
and you stay tuned on the socials and community channels if you want to learn more.
But you better believe it, when we have news, we have a really awesome marketing team thatgoes out there and just promotes, promotes, promotes.
And we love them for it because it is so awesome to develop, develop, develop, and thempromote, promote, promote.
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Mm-hmm.
And so, what's the next one there, sir?
All right, so the next one up is the Adobe ColdFusion Summit 2025 plus CBWire Workshop.
So in the next coming months, actually September 22nd through 23rd, Adobe is gonna behosting their ColdFusion Summit in Las Vegas.
And I'm particularly very excited about that because I'll be giving a talk there.
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And so I would love to see anybody who's interested in going there, feel free to come overand say hi to me or...
to the other Ortus members that are gonna be there.
I think we've got a couple people going this year.
And so yeah, I think that's gonna be a lot of fun.
My talk is not Ortus related.
It's just about Git and how you can get smarter on the command line.
Yep.
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and then I was just going to say that, Grant will be sharing some stuff with CBWire, whichwill be really exciting.
Awesome.
Yeah, I saw your, I saw the description for your talk and now I'm kind of sad that I'm notgoing cause I would absolutely have gone to your session.
it's one of those things where it Gits been around a long time and people kind of don't,you know, there's a lot that people still don't really know about it or use probably
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unless you do it every day.
And so I would expect that your talk is going to talk about a lot of that stuff as well.
I'm excited for you too.
yeah, can I share a story really quick?
Do we have time for that?
Okay, great.
So every time I submit for an event like this, I always put out a couple of talks that I'mreally excited about, and then I throw out some filler as well, just to kind of see what
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sticks.
And I'm going to be honest with you, audience.
It was definitely my filler talk.
oh
I told them that I said, you know, I'll give a talk on 20 tips for using Git.
And then after they picked it, I was sitting down to write it and I was like, oh man, Idon't know if I can think of 20 things.
But I persevered and now I've got nearly 20.
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I'll have 20 by September.
Really great tips that I'm really excited about.
knowing you, you're probably gonna have more than 20 by September.
But that's cause you're not just an achiever, you're an overachiever.
But it's kind of funny sometimes when we all submit, well, I don't know about everybody,but when I submit to conferences as well, you submit a few to try and see what might catch
someone's interest.
And there's always that one you're really excited about and the one that like, yeah, I'lldo it if they want.
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But, and sometimes it's the one that, it's not that it's a great session, it is.
but it might not be as exciting as say BoxLang AI stuff that you might want to talk aboutor whatever.
Absolutely and you know sometimes the the talk that you're really excited about You're soexcited about it that you let it That you don't put the the discipline into it to make it
really excellent But if it's the one that you weren't looking forward to you have toreally put that elbow grease in to make it perform
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Yep.
Obviously you would not have submitted a BoxLang AI to CFSummit, but that was just anexample in general of just, you might be really excited about AI, but you're going to go
with Git.
So it should be a really, you are, you will be excited.
And I think I heard a rumor that, I just made it up, that if you see Jacob at Summit andcome up and say, hello, he will autograph your copy of the BoxLang VS Code extension.
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If you bring me a copy of the VS Code extension, somehow I will autograph it.
If you burn it on a CD.
to do it, but he will do it.
Get a little sticker or something to slap on your laptop or something.
That'd be great.
Awesome.
so, so yeah, definitely check out summits Adobe ColdFusion Summit 2025.
We were just at the DevBCN conference and we got the slides up for that, the building adynamic future with BoxLang.
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Let me put that out there.
I'm gonna kinda show through some of these.
We also have the Into The Box video series is now live on CFCast.
It was live on CFCast last time too, but it's still live on CFCast.
For the premium series, you can go on there.
If you are a ticket holder, you should have gotten some sort of access to it.
And if not, reach out.
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Patreons get free access to the series because we love you and wanna say thank you.
If you just want to, if you are not a Patreon and you're not,
An attendee, you can still purchase the series for just $250 on demand lifetime access.
then all the, if you're a CF subscriber that are not a Patreon and did not go Into TheBox, those videos should be available, I want to say November 1st, I'm being told.
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And so either way you're going to get them.
But definitely if you attended Into The Box and you haven't gotten them yet and you don'thave an email from us, please reach out and we will make sure you get all the goodness.
And then coming up, the July webinar is with...
I was trying to feed it over to you, Jacob.
Hey Jacob, who's the July webinar with?
Ray Camden.
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Let's build an app with BoxLang
Awesome.
It's going to be on Wednesday, July 23rd.
So next week at 11 AM Chicago time.
So that is next week, right?
Yes.
Next week.
Not KC Mo time, Chicago time.
Free tickets available to register to get access at Eventbrite.
And then there's also the CF Camp Slides recordings up on the Ortus site and the YouTubechannel.
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If you went to CF Camp.
I that was an awesome time.
I'm sorry I missed it, but they've got their videos from the Ortus stuff up there so youcan see it.
And if you just want to go buy the videos from CF Camp as well, they're doing the samething.
They're putting them out there and you can purchase them and at least get some of that funand goodness.
Okay, it is about that time.
We want to say thank you to everyone.
We want to thank you to all our Patreon sponsors.
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These individuals are personally supporting open source initiatives to ensure the greattoolings like CommandBox, ForgeBox, ColdBox, ContentBox TestBox, and the BoxLang VS Code
Extension.
Want to make sure they keep getting all the continuous development and loving that theyneed.
Their contributions from the cloud infrastructure that our community relies on likeForgeBox or Package Management with
and you can also support us on Patreon and I'll get that link here.
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And Jacob, you want to tell them about the annual memberships and some of the cool goodstuff they get?
Yeah, absolutely.
with our annual membership, they're great for businesses and individuals, but it lookslike we have a bronze package and up now gets access to Forgebox Pro and CFCast
subscriptions, which is awesome because we've got a lot of great content there.
All Patreon supporters have a profile badge on the community website so you can show yoursupport.
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All Patreon supporters have their own private forum access on the community website so youcan get
expert Ortus help straight from the source.
And all Patreon supporters have their own private channel access BoxTeam Slack.
So if the forum isn't fast enough for you, you can go and send out your messages on Slackand see what happens.
And it looks like we also have a plan where you can pay for the year and save 10 %annually.
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So that's a great deal.
That's a bargain at any price.
And even though we do have, we're talking about these Patreon features for the communitywebsite and the Slack.
We've also, it's also available for others too.
And so if just in general, go to our Slack, go to BoxTeam Slack, go to the communitywebsite, go ahead and post questions and you'll get answered and check us out.
Find us online, find Jacob on there.
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Jacob monitors that stuff.
He'll be in the BoxTeam Slack as well.
In fact, sometimes I'll see a message, somebody's asking about the BoxLang extension andI'll be like, at Jacob, just to tag him so he gets a little ding, say, hey buddy, somebody
needs some help.
So many more Patreons, I think we're up to 61 now, maybe a few more I have to doublecheck, but you can see an up-to-date list of all our sponsors at the Ortus Solutions
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website.
And I went ahead and pasted that link.
That's it, man, we made it.
Another episode.
Done and in the books.
We want to thank for tuning in.
We especially again want to show, feel like we've just been shouting out David the wholetime, but I feel like David likes hearing David's name, David Belanger's name said on the
internet.
So I will say David Belanger's name one more time, as I say BoxLang.
And thank you for coming out.
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Thank you for tuning in.
I'm very excited that you're going to be in DC next year and everyone else that'swatching.
We appreciate you and we will see all of you again in a couple of weeks.
So take care everybody.
All right, have a good one.
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