July 30, 2023 • 30 mins
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What comes to mind when you think of the 1960s in Memphis, Tennessee? The deep-seated fear following Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's assassination? Or the curious tales handed down by our ancestors? In this intimate and revealing episode, I am joined by my uncle as we travel back in time to relive his childhood experiences amidst the poignant backdrop of segregation. We explore the mysterious world of hoodoo, tracing its path from its West African origins through the harsh terrain of the transatlantic slave trade to its evolution in America. We shed light on age-old superstitions, like eating black-eyed peas and collard greens for prosperity or summoning blessings by having a man walk through a house.
Has a place ever invoked a deep sense of familiarity, even though you're visiting it for the first time? Do certain people stir emotions in you without saying a word? I take you on a personal journey into my life's experiences with clairvoyance. You'll hear about the different types of clairvoyance including clair voice, clair knowing, and clair sentience, and how they have shaped my experiences. I open up about the spiritual connection with my grandmother that transcended her passing and the profound feelings I experienced when my uncle passed away. So come, join us on this path of understanding, as we bridge the gap between the physical and spiritual world.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hey, hi, it's me Mama Q.
I welcome you to Moments and QIn Q today.
Hi Y and Tales of the Dot DotDot 1960s.
Hi Y, I give you the green ofthe day and I'm explaining the
why of this episode.
It's alright to tell a man tolift himself by his own
(00:51):
bootstraps, but it is cruel justto say to a bootless man that
he ought to lift himself by hisown bootstraps, in quote by Dr
Martin Luther King Jr.
This is my first interviewepisode ever and I'm not talking
to my uncle about the 1960sbaby.
I want to hear his experienceswith segregation, the fear of
(01:14):
any when Dr MLK was assassinatedand, of course, my favorite
topic, who.
Do you Please enjoy it and bepatient with me because, yeah,
all kids up in age, but it'sit's.
It's a great interviewNonetheless.
Can you dig it?
Yes, we can.
Can you dig it?
Yes, we can.
(01:40):
Tales of I initially came upwith Tales of many me from talk
about many me on social media.
I would always share withfriends and family some of the
damnest things she would say.
So it's stuck.
So, therefore, when I dointerviews on my Thursday
podcast and I'm not saying it'sgonna always be interviews on
(02:02):
Thursdays.
But anyway, when I do them onThursdays it'll always say tales
of dot dot dot, what it is, andellipses and stuff.
So I just want to share thelives of people.
So again, like I said, this willbe me sharing the life of my
uncle, a 1960s baby living inMemphis, tennessee, and having a
(02:29):
decent memory about things.
So enjoy, alright, and we'reback.
We are almost done.
We're gonna talk about a hoodooa little bit more and then
that'll be it.
So when I told grandma that Ipracticed hoodoo and I started
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to learn about it, she didn'tquite know what that meant.
But then when I started tellingher about old wives tale,
that's when she knew what I wastalking about.
So growing up did they callhoodoo old wives tales or they
all?
They straight up called it.
Who do?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
they straight up Called voodoo.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh, they called it voodoo, and yes, that's the same
connotation for well, somepeople do not call hoodoo a
religion, they call it aSpirituality.
So what happened is in WestAfrica, before they were
abducted, certain parts in WestAfrica they practice voodoo and
(03:30):
and they practice Eva, and sowhen they came over here to the
Caribbean's and the UnitedStates, they had to alter it a
little bit.
So when you talk and I I'm notinto those either, one of those
religions, so I can't reallyspeak too much on it but the
(03:52):
difference that I'm starting togather is that they add Orisha's
or Lawa's, which are, I Guess,the equivalent of what what
Catholics would call saintswithin it, whereas in hoodoo
what we do is we venerate ourancestors and I'm pretty sure
(04:14):
they venerate their ancestors aswell, but we don't use any
Deities To intervene or to acertain aspect.
Yeah, yeah, speaker yeah andhoodoo was formed in the United
States as, like I said, as inthe beginning, probably was a
(04:37):
religion.
I'm not for sure, but eitherway it was born out of the fact
for them to get freedom and Awayfrom Massa.
Basically.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Cuz?
I mean if you Brought someoneagainst a wheel.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To what we now know as the United States.
Yeah and you have to beat theirculture out of them.
Exactly, I simulate yours.
You're not always gonna gettotal assimilation.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay, only you are just.
You'll keep it Mm-hmm, butyou'll go about Maintaining and
practicing it differently.
Yeah you know, for protection.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, exactly, um, cuz that's what I do as a
practitioner.
For me, I use it as a way tovenerate our ancestors, so I
have an altar with some of ourancestors on it.
Sometimes I will do Certainworkings in order to provide
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protection against those who aretrying to inflict harm on me or
or my door.
Yeah and um, and that's aboutit, and that's that's what I use
it for.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I maybe not so much today, but by me being way older
and growing up being exposed tocertain things and are even
hearing the said Okay, so I'vebeen exposed to it.
(06:22):
Yeah, most southern, most blacksoutherners have been exposed
and when you think about not allthe old ways of that right.
To speak of such things today,you have to Be more informed.
Yeah, and it all boards down tobe an escape.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, that's what I am.
I'm learning about this.
That's what happened with me.
Is that, um, you know, corinnagrandma would say okay, it's
first of January, let's eatblack eyed peas and greens and
stuff like that, or I need tohave a man come through the door
first.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, so right there.
Yeah, the black eyed peas thing.
Yeah, that's a white thing.
I Thought it was a white thing.
I don't know if it's black ornot, but it has aspects of who
do in it oh okay, so is that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, that's supposed to stand for coins, just like
the collard greens would standfor dollar bills.
Money.
Same thing with the black eyedpeas will stand for like
prosperity and getting coins.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay, and For the new year as I matured yeah, I had
these women would come and campon your son.
You know, I just want you towalk throughout my house.
Yeah, yeah and um, mama,grandma told me this.
(07:46):
She said well, we got a manhere.
Yeah okay, he's not a boyanymore, he's a young man.
Yeah, yeah, but stroll throughthis house, every room, yeah,
and and you know, like at thetime it was me giving my
blessing, or.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I guess,demonstrating a form of who do
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which I wasn't aware of.
That's where it symbolized from.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, same thing with not washing on the legs Right
yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Those are practices that, if you're gonna serve
certain things, this is how youshould teach a child, and I
always say, knowing what I know,or remembering what I know, my
son or daughter, if I had him orher, would be one smart cook.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Not to welcome what you practice.
You know I believe it in God.
It's my duty as a parent toexpose him to everything.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You do know I believe in God as well, right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh, I know, I'm glad you pointed out to me because
you know uncle was thinkingbecause I ain't wanna rough no
feathers here, no, no, okay,okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Now, the difference is that when Christians talk
about believing in God Jesus,the Holy Trinity what not?
I believe we're talking abouttwo different people, or however
many people.
We're not talking about thesame person.
I do believe that there is aGod that exists and that created
the world, and you can be ahoodoo practitioner and practice
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Christianity in tandem.
A lot of people who practicehoodoo, they use the Bible to do
things, so you can do both,yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And so you believe in Jesus too, right?
No, okay, you don't believe inthis.
In your case, this entity had achild that he sent down here.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I believe there were a person.
I'm not a Christian, but Idon't Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, like I just said, some people who are If you
go there, maybe Jesus was Godput in flesh.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well so what I'm saying is that there could be
some hoodoo practitioners outthere who are Christians and
they also practice hoodoo,because you can do both.
Or there are some that areChristians and they still
practice hoodoo.
I'm just not one of them.
I'm not a Christian by anymeans.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I don't knock what anyone's religious practices.
What I will say.
I don't like it when you hearabout people having this synergy
that they say it dictated tothem to go out and do horrible
things.
You see where I'm coming from.
(10:40):
Yeah, when you hear about theseincidents of shooting and mass
shootings and stuff like that,Well, see, and that's the other
thing, is that that brand ofChristianity that you hear?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
now?
That's not really what thereligion of Christianity is
based upon.
It has turned and been.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's what I'm doing there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What is hoodoo?
Christianity, whatever practicethat has a figurehead okay, I'm
not calling God a figurehead,you know God is God.
But people who have otherentities or practices that
involve some kind of entity thatthey deem as being the focal
(11:31):
point, like God is and Jesus isright, I think before they
accept those views and.
I'll just go back to what we'redoing now become informed,
informed, knowledgeable orwhatever, and take whatever
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aspect you need to help you onyour journey of embracing
whomever you wanna call Him,whatever it makes sense, you
know, and cause I truly thinkwhen people do terrible things
like that, those are the oneswho are most confused and lost.
(12:19):
Okay, that when you become lostand you can't meditate, pray or
whatever you wanna call it, andcall upon Him in my case, I
call upon Him, okay, and to helpme through crisis.
Okay, and it works.
(12:42):
You know my person answers notlike that.
He doesn't work that way.
But you know, there's, likeother religions, hoodoo, shinto,
judaism, but Judaism's in theBible, but people don't know
(13:08):
that it's more in-depth than itis, it's long, okay.
They don't know that Quranspeaks about God, jesus and all
the things that the Bible has,and because if you haven't read
it, don't knock.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, and see, I think that's.
The issue is that some of theChristians who demonize what I
do, I don't think that they haveread the Bible, because I'll
bring up certain scriptures withit and then they'll say that
I'm just trying.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But a minister would tell you back in the day that
they now being decades, therewas a practice of idolatry not
just when Moses delivered theJews from Egypt, throughout, and
(14:11):
I think when Jesus ascended andwalked earth as a child, that
became a man.
You know that changed and Itake confidence in knowing that
you still believe in him.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, but we're talking about you, no, no no,
let me make my point.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You believe in him and God.
I don't knock what peoplepractice, but you know,
everything has to stem from afoundation.
Okay, whether the foundation isnot called God refers to Jesus
(14:54):
or any of the disciples andstuff like that.
But to me you're calling uponhim.
You just don't use that name,you just don't use the terms
associated with what brings us.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, I don't really call upon God for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, but you call somebody Okay, Long as you ain't
saying devil this, devil that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, I call upon our ancestors to help, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, ancestors back in the day, being the African
through the African descent, allof it wasn't who to Okay, only
he was to this day.
Just like the devil is calledmany names, so is the heavenly
father Okay.
So is his son, okay, it mightbe a different term use, but you
(15:48):
know same person, okay.
And then being brought out ofyour own element into this
element, you tend to forget whatwas instilled in you as a child
.
If you came here as a child andeven as adults, you know they
(16:10):
wouldn't allow the praxis, youforget, okay.
So, whatever you, you call it,and the fact that you still
worship or believe in God andJesus Christ, okay, it works for
you, because somewhere alongthe line you have to have
(16:31):
comfort and talk to somebody.
I talk to him all the time.
Okay, what I say?
Jesus, I have a new father.
I talk to him.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then when I am troubles and stuff, yeah, I talk
to my granny, your, your greatgrandma, and it eases whatever
is bothering me to age you in atime, in a troubling time, and
it's like this devil works inmysterious ways, right, and that
(17:12):
is not of God, that is not ofwho do or whatever.
That's the devil.
You understand, that's thedevil.
I don't think if you'reworshiping somebody that you
don't call God, they're tellingyou to go out and do these
things.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, what I think is I think that that could be a
demonic entity within the person.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The more the entities stem from.
Who?
The devil Okay, call it whatyou want, but that's him and
trying to gain control of yourmindset.
Cause once you go controlsomebody's mindset and I'm not
knocking what you practice asfaith, right, it's your mindset.
(17:57):
If you give control of yourmindset over to somebody or
something, okay, that makes youwhat, that makes you lost or
control.
In a sense.
This has nothing to do withyour practice of who do.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh, I'm very secure in my practice of the word.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But you know where I'm coming from, right, and,
like the Bible said, I knowwhere my help comes from.
You may call it somebodydifferent, but that's where your
help comes from.
Okay, every religion, I don'tcare what it is has some central
figure that they go to.
(18:39):
Okay, and are some deity thatthey go to.
God could be a deity.
You know, deities might be acombination of different things,
but if that deity like um,hinduism, buddhism and stuff
like that, the deity is acollection of who, something,
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something could be God.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, in some of those religions the deity is
over um some kind of elementlike there's different um okay
he could be an element.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Some of them, um, some of them are considered men,
some of them are consideredwomen, and then some of them
they change.
It depends on what time of theyear.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So yeah, Time of the year or what, what form you may
need he it to be in.
Okay, to help you, Okay, Me, no, that's the way I was brought
up.
But religion to me, when momand then were putting it on me,
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I had to find for myself.
Okay, and and I know I said I'mcrazy All my life I felt a
presence with me, even to thisday with me, a comforting
presence.
Okay, there ain't nobody buthim.
This is me talking, Okay, andwhen I'm troubled, when I stop
(20:18):
and stop align myself to betroubled, I find comfort in
knowing what I call thispresence, whom I feel is God,
Jesus upon me.
Right, it goes away.
And that's the thing aboutfaith.
(20:39):
Whenever you call it, don't younot pray to that one?
Okay, I'm not gonna sit hereand say it's not of God.
Okay, that's, that's becauseyou know other religions don't
call them by God.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, so even recognize Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Muslims don't recognize Jesus Right.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Okay, so let me see have one more question before we
wrap it up.
So on this journey that I have,I consider myself having
certain spiritual gifts andstuff.
So I wanted to know have youever experienced having
spiritual gifts, like for me?
Sometimes it'll be, will beconsidered being clairvoyant one
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of them, and that means clearseeing.
So sometimes I'll have dreamsof where Greg Ramon is visiting
me and told me things and stuff,or sometimes I'll have a dream
of something that comes to passmaybe a few days later.
Do you have any experiences ofthose?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I've had them all my life.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't speak upon that because I want.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, well, we don't have to.
No, no, no, no Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
To other people.
Okay, what I'm about to say,because I'm not crazy.
One thing you know, I'm veryintelligent.
My viewpoints on a lot ofthings, I would say, is very
open.
Okay, and because before youshowed me some of these pictures
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, as a child I would tell yourgrandmother I know who that is,
and she, you weren't born.
I say, okay, you may say that Iknow who that is, okay.
I told her this, and then I toldher who these people were.
(22:41):
She said how can that be?
How can you know who this isand you weren't born?
Yeah, yeah.
And I said did you hear me?
I do it now.
I mean, I've been to houses andI knew the layout.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And before you even entered the house.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I strongly remember this one house.
Yeah, like back in my hand.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And I'm like even now .
I remember this room, Mm.
Hmm, have I been here before?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Kind of like a deja vu.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, it's like you're saying about clenvor and
see clenvor, and see as acombination of things.
It could be images, it could beplaces, it could be names.
Yeah, or you feel I've alwaysfelt things.
One which I felt is the present, certain people that shouldn't
be kind of in my presence like awarning sign or something like
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that.
It has to do it like you seeabout clevenancy I don't know
what you call it, but certainpeople and I won't bring up this
incident that happened.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But when that particular person was in our
presence.
This is when I eventually gotsick.
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And a bunch of other stuff happened.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Okay, and it's just like.
It's like they know when goodand bad meet.
I know who you are.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, yeah, cause there's different types of
clairs is what they call them.
There's something called Clairemeans clear, so there'll be
like Claire voice, which meansclear.
Seeing Claire, cognizant Claire, knowing Claire, gustin switch,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, and then there's I think it's called
Claire sentience when.
Claire touch Claire Gustin'swhere clear tasting.
I feel like I'm missing one,but yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, uncle, go through all of that.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And one.
I don't know it immediately,and sometimes it's like that,
it's like when you, when they'rein my presence, you need to
leave.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I need to get away from you.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And I'm alive and I don't care if people didn't mean
stupid, crazy or whatever butI'm just being real.
You asked I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I felt, I feel things all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I when I lost the person that I love.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
At the time it wasn't clear, but I felt it.
It was different, uh-huh, okay,and another incident that
happened where we lost someone.
That person was in the roomwith us.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I got a very bad feeling about that person and
people would say I'm crazy andstupid.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But I feel these things all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And I say I'm incredible.
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Or I see things that don't happen right away.
Down the line, here we go.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Here we are.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Okay, and I've always felt this yeah.
And the only one that told me Iwasn't stupid or crazy was my
grandma Yo.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, Okay, Matter of fact, the last three days of
great grandmother's life shevisited me in a dream.
She kind of was the one whocatapulted me, learning that I
too am not crazy and part of mebeing on this path that I'm on.
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For three nights that happened.
Night one she was in her chair,her favorite chair mouth open.
Now, mind you, I knew that, weall knew that she was going to
pass.
We just didn't know when, cause, you know, I wasn't in Memphis
at that time.
Day two, same thing happened.
And then, day three, clear asday, she was deceased.
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And then that's when the womanthat gave birth to me.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
We would like this.
When she took her last breath,I was looking over.
We would just like this.
Yeah, and the nurse had come inand tapped me on the shirt.
She's gone, child.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, she, yeah , she had visited me and she
visits me from that moment upuntil even now.
Not as frequently now, but yeah, she used to visit me a whole
lot.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I want to say when I feel like a presence in my home.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It could be in different rooms, whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It has to be only two people.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Two people that I love extremely.
Yeah, yeah, too much.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Marcus, a great, yeah , okay, and I don't get afraid
anymore.
That's good.
I just simply, if it's him, Ijust say this was your home.
Yeah, come on in.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
If you're observing me, you're the one that been
chosen to watch over me, and notjust him, grandma.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So be it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know, and when he passed it took me a while to
get comfortable.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean a long while.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Cause, when he passed , you know, I thought I was
gonna die because I needed mytransplant.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Those two individuals , I just felt them.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And so I don't know what it is.
Yeah, like when I couldn't passMm-hmm and that guy was amongst
us, I didn't feel right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I felt evil.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Amongst us.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
No, and did she get hurt then?
Cause you know, I truly gotsick too.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I was in the hospital .
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
And they told me she had passed right.
Yeah, I was in the hospital andfighting.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, and the day that, the day that that had
happened, there was a naggingfeeling for me to go in that
particular area and I just Ijust kind of ignored it cause I
was super, super tired that day.
And then, when I got the calland the location, I was like,
wow, you know.
So, yeah, so All right.
(29:51):
Well, welp, I've talked longenough.
Thank you, uncle Q out.
Hey, hi, it's me Mama Q.
I welcome you to Moments and QIn Q today.
Hi Y and Tales of the Dot DotDot 1960s.
Hi Y, I give you the green ofthe day and I'm explaining the
why of this episode.
It's alright to tell a man tolift himself by his own
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bootstraps, but it is cruel justto say to a bootless man that
he ought to lift himself by hisown bootstraps, in quote by Dr
Martin Luther King Jr.
This is my first interviewepisode ever and I'm not talking
to my uncle about the 1960sbaby.
I want to hear his experienceswith segregation, the fear of
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any when Dr MLK was assassinatedand, of course, my favorite
topic, who.
Do you Please enjoy it and bepatient with me because, yeah,
all kids up in age, but it'sit's.
It's a great interviewNonetheless.
Can you dig it?
Yes, we can.
Can you dig it?
Yes, we can.
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Tales of I initially came upwith Tales of many me from talk
about many me on social media.
I would always share withfriends and family some of the
damnest things she would say.
So it's stuck.
So, therefore, when I dointerviews on my Thursday
podcast and I'm not saying it'sgonna always be interviews on
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Thursdays.
But anyway, when I do them onThursdays it'll always say tales
of dot dot dot, what it is, andellipses and stuff.
So I just want to share thelives of people.
So again, like I said, this willbe me sharing the life of my
uncle, a 1960s baby living inMemphis, tennessee, and having a
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decent memory about things.
So enjoy, alright, and we'reback.
We are almost done.
We're gonna talk about a hoodooa little bit more and then
that'll be it.
So when I told grandma that Ipracticed hoodoo and I started
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to learn about it, she didn'tquite know what that meant.
But then when I started tellingher about old wives tale,
that's when she knew what I wastalking about.
So growing up did they callhoodoo old wives tales or they
all?
They straight up called it.
Who do?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
they straight up Called voodoo.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh, they called it voodoo, and yes, that's the same
connotation for well, somepeople do not call hoodoo a
religion, they call it aSpirituality.
So what happened is in WestAfrica, before they were
abducted, certain parts in WestAfrica they practice voodoo and
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and they practice Eva, and sowhen they came over here to the
Caribbean's and the UnitedStates, they had to alter it a
little bit.
So when you talk and I I'm notinto those either, one of those
religions, so I can't reallyspeak too much on it but the
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difference that I'm starting togather is that they add Orisha's
or Lawa's, which are, I Guess,the equivalent of what what
Catholics would call saintswithin it, whereas in hoodoo
what we do is we venerate ourancestors and I'm pretty sure
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they venerate their ancestors aswell, but we don't use any
Deities To intervene or to acertain aspect.
Yeah, yeah, speaker yeah andhoodoo was formed in the United
States as, like I said, as inthe beginning, probably was a
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religion.
I'm not for sure, but eitherway it was born out of the fact
for them to get freedom and Awayfrom Massa.
Basically.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Cuz?
I mean if you Brought someoneagainst a wheel.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
To what we now know as the United States.
Yeah and you have to beat theirculture out of them.
Exactly, I simulate yours.
You're not always gonna gettotal assimilation.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay, only you are just.
You'll keep it Mm-hmm, butyou'll go about Maintaining and
practicing it differently.
Yeah you know, for protection.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, exactly, um, cuz that's what I do as a
practitioner.
For me, I use it as a way tovenerate our ancestors, so I
have an altar with some of ourancestors on it.
Sometimes I will do Certainworkings in order to provide
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protection against those who aretrying to inflict harm on me or
or my door.
Yeah and um, and that's aboutit, and that's that's what I use
it for.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I maybe not so much today, but by me being way older
and growing up being exposed tocertain things and are even
hearing the said Okay, so I'vebeen exposed to it.
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Yeah, most southern, most blacksoutherners have been exposed
and when you think about not allthe old ways of that right.
To speak of such things today,you have to Be more informed.
Yeah, and it all boards down tobe an escape.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, that's what I am.
I'm learning about this.
That's what happened with me.
Is that, um, you know, corinnagrandma would say okay, it's
first of January, let's eatblack eyed peas and greens and
stuff like that, or I need tohave a man come through the door
first.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, so right there.
Yeah, the black eyed peas thing.
Yeah, that's a white thing.
I Thought it was a white thing.
I don't know if it's black ornot, but it has aspects of who
do in it oh okay, so is that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, that's supposed to stand for coins, just like
the collard greens would standfor dollar bills.
Money.
Same thing with the black eyedpeas will stand for like
prosperity and getting coins.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay, and For the new year as I matured yeah, I had
these women would come and campon your son.
You know, I just want you towalk throughout my house.
Yeah, yeah and um, mama,grandma told me this.
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She said well, we got a manhere.
Yeah okay, he's not a boyanymore, he's a young man.
Yeah, yeah, but stroll throughthis house, every room, yeah,
and and you know, like at thetime it was me giving my
blessing, or.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I guess,demonstrating a form of who do
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which I wasn't aware of.
That's where it symbolized from.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, same thing with not washing on the legs Right
yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Those are practices that, if you're gonna serve
certain things, this is how youshould teach a child, and I
always say, knowing what I know,or remembering what I know, my
son or daughter, if I had him orher, would be one smart cook.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Not to welcome what you practice.
You know I believe it in God.
It's my duty as a parent toexpose him to everything.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You do know I believe in God as well, right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh, I know, I'm glad you pointed out to me because
you know uncle was thinkingbecause I ain't wanna rough no
feathers here, no, no, okay,okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Now, the difference is that when Christians talk
about believing in God Jesus,the Holy Trinity what not?
I believe we're talking abouttwo different people, or however
many people.
We're not talking about thesame person.
I do believe that there is aGod that exists and that created
the world, and you can be ahoodoo practitioner and practice
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Christianity in tandem.
A lot of people who practicehoodoo, they use the Bible to do
things, so you can do both,yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And so you believe in Jesus too, right?
No, okay, you don't believe inthis.
In your case, this entity had achild that he sent down here.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I believe there were a person.
I'm not a Christian, but Idon't Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, like I just said, some people who are If you
go there, maybe Jesus was Godput in flesh.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well so what I'm saying is that there could be
some hoodoo practitioners outthere who are Christians and
they also practice hoodoo,because you can do both.
Or there are some that areChristians and they still
practice hoodoo.
I'm just not one of them.
I'm not a Christian by anymeans.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I don't knock what anyone's religious practices.
What I will say.
I don't like it when you hearabout people having this synergy
that they say it dictated tothem to go out and do horrible
things.
You see where I'm coming from.
(10:40):
Yeah, when you hear about theseincidents of shooting and mass
shootings and stuff like that,Well, see, and that's the other
thing, is that that brand ofChristianity that you hear?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
now?
That's not really what thereligion of Christianity is
based upon.
It has turned and been.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's what I'm doing there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What is hoodoo?
Christianity, whatever practicethat has a figurehead okay, I'm
not calling God a figurehead,you know God is God.
But people who have otherentities or practices that
involve some kind of entity thatthey deem as being the focal
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point, like God is and Jesus isright, I think before they
accept those views and.
I'll just go back to what we'redoing now become informed,
informed, knowledgeable orwhatever, and take whatever
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aspect you need to help you onyour journey of embracing
whomever you wanna call Him,whatever it makes sense, you
know, and cause I truly thinkwhen people do terrible things
like that, those are the oneswho are most confused and lost.
(12:19):
Okay, that when you become lostand you can't meditate, pray or
whatever you wanna call it, andcall upon Him in my case, I
call upon Him, okay, and to helpme through crisis.
Okay, and it works.
(12:42):
You know my person answers notlike that.
He doesn't work that way.
But you know, there's, likeother religions, hoodoo, shinto,
judaism, but Judaism's in theBible, but people don't know
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that it's more in-depth than itis, it's long, okay.
They don't know that Quranspeaks about God, jesus and all
the things that the Bible has,and because if you haven't read
it, don't knock.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, and see, I think that's.
The issue is that some of theChristians who demonize what I
do, I don't think that they haveread the Bible, because I'll
bring up certain scriptures withit and then they'll say that
I'm just trying.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But a minister would tell you back in the day that
they now being decades, therewas a practice of idolatry not
just when Moses delivered theJews from Egypt, throughout, and
(14:11):
I think when Jesus ascended andwalked earth as a child, that
became a man.
You know that changed and Itake confidence in knowing that
you still believe in him.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, but we're talking about you, no, no no,
let me make my point.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You believe in him and God.
I don't knock what peoplepractice, but you know,
everything has to stem from afoundation.
Okay, whether the foundation isnot called God refers to Jesus
(14:54):
or any of the disciples andstuff like that.
But to me you're calling uponhim.
You just don't use that name,you just don't use the terms
associated with what brings us.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, I don't really call upon God for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, but you call somebody Okay, Long as you ain't
saying devil this, devil that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, I call upon our ancestors to help, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, ancestors back in the day, being the African
through the African descent, allof it wasn't who to Okay, only
he was to this day.
Just like the devil is calledmany names, so is the heavenly
father Okay.
So is his son, okay, it mightbe a different term use, but you
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know same person, okay.
And then being brought out ofyour own element into this
element, you tend to forget whatwas instilled in you as a child
.
If you came here as a child andeven as adults, you know they
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wouldn't allow the praxis, youforget, okay.
So, whatever you, you call it,and the fact that you still
worship or believe in God andJesus Christ, okay, it works for
you, because somewhere alongthe line you have to have
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comfort and talk to somebody.
I talk to him all the time.
Okay, what I say?
Jesus, I have a new father.
I talk to him.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then when I am troubles and stuff, yeah, I talk
to my granny, your, your greatgrandma, and it eases whatever
is bothering me to age you in atime, in a troubling time, and
it's like this devil works inmysterious ways, right, and that
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is not of God, that is not ofwho do or whatever.
That's the devil.
You understand, that's thedevil.
I don't think if you'reworshiping somebody that you
don't call God, they're tellingyou to go out and do these
things.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, what I think is I think that that could be a
demonic entity within the person.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The more the entities stem from.
Who?
The devil Okay, call it whatyou want, but that's him and
trying to gain control of yourmindset.
Cause once you go controlsomebody's mindset and I'm not
knocking what you practice asfaith, right, it's your mindset.
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If you give control of yourmindset over to somebody or
something, okay, that makes youwhat, that makes you lost or
control.
In a sense.
This has nothing to do withyour practice of who do.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh, I'm very secure in my practice of the word.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But you know where I'm coming from, right, and,
like the Bible said, I knowwhere my help comes from.
You may call it somebodydifferent, but that's where your
help comes from.
Okay, every religion, I don'tcare what it is has some central
figure that they go to.
(18:39):
Okay, and are some deity thatthey go to.
God could be a deity.
You know, deities might be acombination of different things,
but if that deity like um,hinduism, buddhism and stuff
like that, the deity is acollection of who, something,
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something could be God.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, in some of those religions the deity is
over um some kind of elementlike there's different um okay
he could be an element.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Some of them, um, some of them are considered men,
some of them are consideredwomen, and then some of them
they change.
It depends on what time of theyear.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So yeah, Time of the year or what, what form you may
need he it to be in.
Okay, to help you, Okay, Me, no, that's the way I was brought
up.
But religion to me, when momand then were putting it on me,
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I had to find for myself.
Okay, and and I know I said I'mcrazy All my life I felt a
presence with me, even to thisday with me, a comforting
presence.
Okay, there ain't nobody buthim.
This is me talking, Okay, andwhen I'm troubled, when I stop
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and stop align myself to betroubled, I find comfort in
knowing what I call thispresence, whom I feel is God,
Jesus upon me.
Right, it goes away.
And that's the thing aboutfaith.
(20:39):
Whenever you call it, don't younot pray to that one?
Okay, I'm not gonna sit hereand say it's not of God.
Okay, that's, that's becauseyou know other religions don't
call them by God.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, so even recognize Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Muslims don't recognize Jesus Right.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Okay, so let me see have one more question before we
wrap it up.
So on this journey that I have,I consider myself having
certain spiritual gifts andstuff.
So I wanted to know have youever experienced having
spiritual gifts, like for me?
Sometimes it'll be, will beconsidered being clairvoyant one
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of them, and that means clearseeing.
So sometimes I'll have dreamsof where Greg Ramon is visiting
me and told me things and stuff,or sometimes I'll have a dream
of something that comes to passmaybe a few days later.
Do you have any experiences ofthose?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I've had them all my life.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't speak upon that because I want.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, well, we don't have to.
No, no, no, no Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
To other people.
Okay, what I'm about to say,because I'm not crazy.
One thing you know, I'm veryintelligent.
My viewpoints on a lot ofthings, I would say, is very
open.
Okay, and because before youshowed me some of these pictures
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, as a child I would tell yourgrandmother I know who that is,
and she, you weren't born.
I say, okay, you may say that Iknow who that is, okay.
I told her this, and then I toldher who these people were.
(22:41):
She said how can that be?
How can you know who this isand you weren't born?
Yeah, yeah.
And I said did you hear me?
I do it now.
I mean, I've been to houses andI knew the layout.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And before you even entered the house.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I strongly remember this one house.
Yeah, like back in my hand.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And I'm like even now .
I remember this room, Mm.
Hmm, have I been here before?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Kind of like a deja vu.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, it's like you're saying about clenvor and
see clenvor, and see as acombination of things.
It could be images, it could beplaces, it could be names.
Yeah, or you feel I've alwaysfelt things.
One which I felt is the present, certain people that shouldn't
be kind of in my presence like awarning sign or something like
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that.
It has to do it like you seeabout clevenancy I don't know
what you call it, but certainpeople and I won't bring up this
incident that happened.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But when that particular person was in our
presence.
This is when I eventually gotsick.
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And a bunch of other stuff happened.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Okay, and it's just like.
It's like they know when goodand bad meet.
I know who you are.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, yeah, cause there's different types of
clairs is what they call them.
There's something called Clairemeans clear, so there'll be
like Claire voice, which meansclear.
Seeing Claire, cognizant Claire, knowing Claire, gustin switch,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, and then there's I think it's called
Claire sentience when.
Claire touch Claire Gustin'swhere clear tasting.
I feel like I'm missing one,but yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, uncle, go through all of that.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And one.
I don't know it immediately,and sometimes it's like that,
it's like when you, when they'rein my presence, you need to
leave.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I need to get away from you.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And I'm alive and I don't care if people didn't mean
stupid, crazy or whatever butI'm just being real.
You asked I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I felt, I feel things all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I when I lost the person that I love.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
At the time it wasn't clear, but I felt it.
It was different, uh-huh, okay,and another incident that
happened where we lost someone.
That person was in the roomwith us.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I got a very bad feeling about that person and
people would say I'm crazy andstupid.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But I feel these things all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And I say I'm incredible.
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Or I see things that don't happen right away.
Down the line, here we go.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Here we are.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Okay, and I've always felt this yeah.
And the only one that told me Iwasn't stupid or crazy was my
grandma Yo.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, Okay, Matter of fact, the last three days of
great grandmother's life shevisited me in a dream.
She kind of was the one whocatapulted me, learning that I
too am not crazy and part of mebeing on this path that I'm on.
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For three nights that happened.
Night one she was in her chair,her favorite chair mouth open.
Now, mind you, I knew that, weall knew that she was going to
pass.
We just didn't know when, cause, you know, I wasn't in Memphis
at that time.
Day two, same thing happened.
And then, day three, clear asday, she was deceased.
(27:11):
And then that's when the womanthat gave birth to me.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
We would like this.
When she took her last breath,I was looking over.
We would just like this.
Yeah, and the nurse had come inand tapped me on the shirt.
She's gone, child.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, she, yeah , she had visited me and she
visits me from that moment upuntil even now.
Not as frequently now, but yeah, she used to visit me a whole
lot.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I want to say when I feel like a presence in my home.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It could be in different rooms, whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It has to be only two people.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Two people that I love extremely.
Yeah, yeah, too much.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Marcus, a great, yeah , okay, and I don't get afraid
anymore.
That's good.
I just simply, if it's him, Ijust say this was your home.
Yeah, come on in.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
If you're observing me, you're the one that been
chosen to watch over me, and notjust him, grandma.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So be it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know, and when he passed it took me a while to
get comfortable.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean a long while.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Cause, when he passed , you know, I thought I was
gonna die because I needed mytransplant.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Those two individuals , I just felt them.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And so I don't know what it is.
Yeah, like when I couldn't passMm-hmm and that guy was amongst
us, I didn't feel right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I felt evil.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Amongst us.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
No, and did she get hurt then?
Cause you know, I truly gotsick too.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I was in the hospital .
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
And they told me she had passed right.
Yeah, I was in the hospital andfighting.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, and the day that, the day that that had
happened, there was a naggingfeeling for me to go in that
particular area and I just Ijust kind of ignored it cause I
was super, super tired that day.
And then, when I got the calland the location, I was like,
wow, you know.
So, yeah, so All right.
(29:51):
Well, welp, I've talked longenough.
Thank you, uncle Q out.
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