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Episode Transcript

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I am I'm your host, LeaKasari, and I'm Amanda wagon Seller,
and we are here to talk toyou about some shit. So how was
your week, Wagons? So we'rehere to fuck your day up? Why
can't we intro? I was Iwas waiting. I was like, on
Tuesday and we're moms and mahem,I just wanted to do that once.

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Okay, Srees put that on ourbucket list or wonderful producers trees into back
yard, ma'am are wing, ma'am, please put that on my list.
So we record our shows, right, we record Pooky in Paradise if we
decide to record Pooky and Paradise onMondays, and then normally we do MAM's

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on Tuesday and then we do teeton Thursday. But we switched, ma'am,
so today we're doing or teat onWednesday. And now we're doing this
today which is Thursday. And lastnight we were recording and after we're recording,
we're talking for a little while.I'm just on the panel, and

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somehow Charie came up and I said, like our wing, mam, right,
and I kept saying it, andthen Jeff was like, stop using
it, like that's a thing,like people don't know what you're talking about.
I'm like, what do you meanpeople don't know what we're talking about?
It's a thing, it is.We even made a graphic for it.
Yeah, there's a graphic. It'sa thing. Charie is our wing,

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maam. And if you don't knowthat, I don't even know.
I just think it's stupid. Butit's a thing, right, like,
yeah, like a wingman, Likeexacts go out, they have a wingman.
Yeah, I have a wing Ma'mexactly. I don't understand why they
didn't get that. I didn't.Well, because they're men, this is
true. They're six men. Theyaren't. They're sis white males with beards,

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and they know how hated they are. Listen to the evervolving truth to
find out. So what you youthis week? Oh? I lived my
life. Yeah, as a vaccinatedAmerican woman. I got some some um

(02:12):
comments, both from inside our circleand outside of our circle here at white
Horse about my magnet to the arm. Oh yes, yes, Well listen,
I don't need anything wrong with testing. I still stand by it.
I think I needed to know formy own sanity. I mean I didn't
really believe it, but like andIt's not like you were filming it going

(02:34):
like or sticking it to your skinlike this, like yeah, like put
some like glue on it. LikeI. I just what I and I
think they were. They were probablylike magtiles, which are like those magnetic
kids those things. Yeah, somaybe that would have stock that would have
things. Are they strong enough?Oh yeah, they're hard to pull apart

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sometimes those magnetiles are serious business.Yeah that's true. Okay, so we're
legit. Um, we've already wentoff the rails. No, I had
good. I had. I hada week. It's so weird when we
ask each other this because we alreadyknow, well, I'm not gonna this
week. I'm not telling you howmy week was. Okay for the listener's

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just no, I showed up todayand that's all you're gonna get for me.
That is all you need to know. That is it. I have
been rewatching Game of Thrones again fromseason one through season eight over the past
like two weeks, and every timeI watch it, I get a different
feeling and like there were different thingsthat bothered me this time, Like I

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think brand Starks sort of just diedwhen Jamie pushed him out of the window,
like I fucking hate brand I hatehim. I want to punch him
in the face. You should notbe the gig. It's stupid. But
well it's stupid. But I waslike, you know, I'm I'm team
Targarian, Fire and Blood. Weall know this. I love I love

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dragons. But then I was like, you know what, I want to
live my life like Searcy Lanster,because like she says what she wants whenever
she wants. She doesn't care whatanybody thinks. She does whatever she wants,
and shit doesn't happen to Searcy.Shit happens because of Searcy, right,
Like she doesn't take shit, Like, yes, okay, she dies

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at the end in a horrible way, but she kind of had that coming.
But she creates her own like she'smanifest destiny type of shit, right
kind of right, like yes,like her kids died. See, this
is how I look at things.Bad things happen anyway, right, Like
my life sucks. I my littlebirds get eaten and then the next year

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maggots come out of their eggs.This is the kind of life I have,
right, So that's why you relateto her. If bad shit's gonna
happen anyway? Why do I livesuch a nice life, being such such
a nice person and so gloriously delightful? I don't know why I do it?
Right, Like, I'm just sorry, gloriously dislightful. Yes I did,

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I am gloriously delightful. Sarcy isalso a little delusional at times,
so I can see the compariss right. So I'm like, all right,
hardcore fucking I'm gonna be Searcy rightLike, nobody's gonna make me do a
walk of shame and if you do, I'm gonna blow your ass up in
a set. That is the kindof life I'm going to live. Okay.

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I got to the end of theseason eight and I realized that I
am not Searcy. I am JamieLanster. So so you're still gonna sleep
with your sibling. You're just gonnabe doing things because it's the right thing
to do, not because you wantto follow your heart. No, see

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that. See I don't know seethis, This is what I mean.
I relate everything back to Game ofThron It's like my entire life. Even
last night when we were doing tea, they were talking about something and I
really wanted to, like say thisline that Braun says at the end of
the season, because it just Irelated it, like right back to it.
And then I forget that people aren'tas crazy as I am and don't

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know every word. But so soJamie Lanister, right Like, he starts
off as this villains, this badguy, and then he realizes like he
does stupid shit all the time,and he always goes back like to his
family, and he does. He'salways risking his ship for like the wrong

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people. And then he finally likehe's with Brianna's hearth, right like,
this is the story of my life. I could totally relate this. He's
with Brianne, He's in the North, He's got this perfect redemption story.
He should be with Brianne. Brianneloves him, and what's he do?
He goes and he gets killed whena castle falls on his head to be
with some crazy bitch. That isthe kind of shit that I do in

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my life, just in general.Why like why why why is that my
life? I don't think we haveenough time to work that out, however,
I think this, this realization isvery fascinating, not only from like

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Game of Thrones, like the storypart but also your actual life, like
this is your this is your actuallife, right, Like I should totally
be making one decision. It's theright decision, it's the best decision.
But I picked the decision that's areally bad idea, just a really bad
idea. And then when the castlefalls on my head, I'm like,

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why is this happening? That's justyou know, and if you're you're dead,
and then I'm dead. Yeah,there's there's nothing, there's nothing I
can do about it. Just sostick out of the rubble and no.
Yeah, like my little gold handwill be sticking out the rubble one day
and Wags will be digging me upand start crying. It'll be really sad.

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So we need to figure out howI can change my life and become
more like Searcy. Have you alwaysrelated to Searcy? No? I always
relate. I relate the most.I think that Danny m If I were
to pick one, and if Iwere to pick anybody to be really which
you wouldn't say this in the beginning, I'd be sansa I was I was.

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I was gonna say, like Iif I were to relate to anyone
on there, I would be Sanzalike like that meek and just gonna do
what what's expected of me until Igrow up, until I grow up,
and then until I realized I don'thave to fucking do that. Yeah I
can. I can do whatever Iwant to do, and who's going to

(08:54):
stop me? Like if I putmy life through how and other people have
put me through how and I've continuedto overcome that. I deserve to be
exactly where I am. Maybe alittle richer, maybe with better fashion sense,
but I don't know. I thinkI liked her clothes towards the edge
she did. She like she tookon like a new persona like she just

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change And I think that's yeah,And I think that physical change needed to
be done, like she couldn't belike the light hair and the lighter clothing,
like she needed to have that likedark and twisty. Yeah, like
that edge to her because I thinkshe's just so like angelic looking she needed

(09:41):
that. Yeah you know I hada baby, Yeah, yeah, congratulations.
I know that it's not named Amanda, but I won't I'll take offense
to that. I want to knowhow many times have you watched Scheme of
Thrones in completion season one through seasoneight. This is my fifth time since

(10:01):
it's ended. It's like how manytimes if I watched like season one,
I don't know, probably fifty.Do you do you ever? Like just
go back, Like I go backand I do this with The Walking Dead.
I do this with True Blood.I go back and I just watched
the seasons that I really like,Like Walking Dead, there's like four seasons.

(10:22):
I just I don't give a fuckabout I give some stuff. I'm
actually rewatching that now too. TheWalking Dead. It's good. It's a
cycle. I go from Game ofThrones Walking Dead, Game of Thrones Walking
Dead. I switched them. Andif we wonder why are in the state
of our lives that we are becauseyou watch I like fall asleep to it

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though, like I fall asleep tolike A Yeah, it's it's soothing.
It is there's something as soothing aboutthe feast. It really is. Like
I I feel like I would bevery prepared for The Walking Dead. I
feel like I'm I am waiting forthat to happen. And I know that's
something that we talked about doing onHeat coming up at some point, but

(11:05):
like, seriously, I feel soprepared and I but I also, and
we both had this habit is thatwe think of things and then we relate
them back to Yeah. So whenI envisioned this, I thought about Herschel's
farm and You're like me too,Okay, there might be there might be

(11:26):
something. So we're gonna we're justgonna, we're just gonna telling ourselves right
now and find out if our bossesquote unquote actually listen to the show.
So, um, what Wags isreferring to is the Girl on the Farm
script, which is that film thatwe're working on and that my my tiny

(11:50):
little Diva is the star of andum oh in our own Oh wait,
that's right, it's a secret.We can't say. Another man is here.
Someone that is here is also inthe movie but not seen in the
movie. But anyway, when wefirst started doing it, I said something

(12:13):
to Jeff. When I first readit, it wasn't the script wasn't done
yet, and I was like theWalking Dead, and he was like,
well, I don't want it tolike, it's not the Walking Dead.
It's nothing like the Walking Dead.Don't think the Walking Dead. Every time
Black and I are planning something forit, we're like, well, I
just picture the Walking Dead like Hirschel'sfarm or I picture. It's kind of

(12:35):
dark and twisting, kind of likeThe Walking Dead, and we're always like,
he's gonna like fire us if hehears. So I don't know,
I just don't know how you don'trelate like a zombie apocalyptic film back to
The Walking Dead. I don't knowhow you don't do that. But it's
also like The Walking Dead. Iknow people have some beef with it once
in a while and how the storylineshave gone, But when you think about

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the actual set design and you thinkabout the environment and all of that put
together, it's so well done,and it's such a like a time classic,
So it could it could be happeningnow, it couldn't be happening have
happened fifteen years ago, Like it'sthat classic kind of look. So I'm

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I think it's a compliment. Idoo. They've done really, they've done
really well making everything so realistic andso on point that it is a good
reference. And there aren't a lotof movies out there that have the same
kind of feeling as far as likeisolation, Yeah, like an isolated isolation.

(13:45):
It's just not There aren't movies outlike I can't. When am I
going to refer back to the matrix? You know what I mean? I'm
going to refer back to Speed one, Speed two, This congeniality sidebar Leah
hates Standard and I love all ofher movies, and it's just in my
life to be like, I can'tbe a friend anybod I have a real

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reason though. Did you ever seethe movie Divine Secrets of the ya Ya
Sisterhood? Yes, okay, thatis a book. There are three books.
It's a series of books. Iforget. Divine Secrets is the second
one, I believe, and thefirst one is Little Altars Everywhere, and
I forget what the third one is. They were some of the best books

(14:33):
I've ever read in my life,so so well done, and it's it's
based off the writer's childhood and hermom was bipolar and a drunk in the
fifties. And then they made thatfucking movie and it was so fucking bad
and it was nowhere near the book, and I was like, that's it.
I'm done with s andrew book.I hate her with the passion because

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so it was her fault. Didshe direct it? She did the screen
in play? I guess like boughtthe rights from the book, who was
like in charge of getting it made. So I was like, I hate
her. I hate her with apassion. Now, so I have a
reason. Okay, okay, Well, if she ever decides she wants to

(15:15):
start a movie with us, Iwill make sure she knows who I can
get get first in line for thatacting gig. Yeah, she doesn't like
you, You're like pointing to me, like, don't like She's like you
like you end up being the bettersuited person for the role, right,
I get a roll over Sandra Bullock, like, I know you. I
know you were capable of working withpeople you don't like, so I am

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no doubt that you'll be okay withthat. I do it all the time.
That's why I'm working with you.So long Burne. Oh there you
go. Greg Sterner, if youwere listening, you suggested that Lee and
I started war you started meeting witheach other. No, that's not actually
what he said, but that's howwe interpreted it, so it's totally starting.

(16:00):
I was like, oh, bythe way, this is a reminder
for Abbie Stirter to uh, youknow, check on the cakes in the
oven, because I know she whilelistening to us, Hi Charlie Hii,
Charlie Hi Jack Hi abbe did yousee that cake she made? Sidebar?
She made this cake for a retiringphysics teacher. Yes. Yes, that's

(16:23):
like a little like fond version ofEinstein on it and it says like equals
MC twelve. It was so good, like it was artistic. It wasn't
just it was amazing. I'm impressedby her her. Yeah. Cake,
Like I knew she was a chef, which she's like a fucking cake baker

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too, Like she's she's a cakebaker, she's a artist. Yeah,
yeah, I saw that. Iwas like, my goal in life is
to have you make me and fonteoh my god. And she did say
she did comment that, um,you know when we make it we do
some meat and greets and not atthe local Walmart, that she will make

(17:07):
us a cake with our beautiful baseballon it. That's like Leah hates her
face on things. I do makesure her size mind just big. I
am turning forty in November. Yeah, so if anybody wants to contact Abbie
Stirner and have and get me agift, you can have her make me

(17:27):
a game of Thrones themed cake.Now, I don't care what it is.
It could be a tiny Tyrian.It could be Tyrian on the iron
throne. It could be a dragonon the iron throne. I don't care.
Let Abby decide what she wants tomake. I want to see what
she would come up with a Gameof Thrones steamed. So I couldn't suggest

(17:48):
that she makes a tiny wags onthe dragon on the iron grow suggested,
Oh my god, can you makeme on a dragon next to the iron
throne. That's what I want,Abbie, that's what you need to make
me. So I don't know who'spaying for it. Jeff's starner. Start

(18:10):
figure it out. Who's paying forit with our ad revenue money? By
be a cake? Oh so Idon't know how this is a transition.
So, speaking of cakes, beefcakes, you wanted to get my opinion on
something involving the Beach Boys and UncleJesse, and it's been racking my brain
since I saw that in the outline. So please, okay, okay,

(18:33):
now, before I explain exactly whatthis is, I sures you pop in
for this too. I need youropinion. I'm here. What's up if
an astronaut. If a person goesto space right one time, are they

(18:56):
considered an astronaut? Like are youare you talking like buzz Aldron buzz Aldron
went to the went to the Moononce, he's an astronaut, right,
yeah, I mean I don't know, Like, are you going as a

(19:17):
civilian? No? No, likeyou're part of the team. Oh right,
yeah, you're an astronaut. Okay, if you're if you're contributing to
the mission, then I would sayyou're you're an astronaut. Okay, So
there you go. Even if youdo it once, you're still an astronaut,
right, Okay, So um yearsago this this fight is about sixteen

(19:40):
seventeen years old. I some Idon't remember obviously how it started, but
it came up that we were talkingabout full House and that John Statmos was
in the Beach Boys. I saidthis because he was. He was a
drummer for the Beach boy right now, I guess the only he wasn't he

(20:03):
didn't, you know, play withthem for years. He wasn't, like,
but he toured with them. Sohe's a fucking beach boy. And
my right is John Stamos a beachboy? If you tour with the Beach
Boys and you play the drums forthe Beach Boys? Are you a beach
boy? I'm gonna say no,only because that happened so much later in

(20:26):
the Beach Boys career. Okay,well, who let's take this for example,
who is that kid whose name Idon't know, that is the new
Freddie Mercury in Queen Adam Lambert.That's it. Adam Lambert is a member
of Queen. No he's not,because the tour says Queen with Adam Lambert.

(20:49):
But the odds toured to that though, because if that's what I was
going to say, because sometimes it'slike feature it was, Yeah, if
it was just the Beach Boys,then yeah, I think I think it's
up to the Beach Boys whether hewas a beach boy, because Queen was
like, we don't want to disrespectFreddie Mercury, so we're still Queen,

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and then we have Adam Lambert withus. Okay, okay, So if
you google, which I am goingto do right now, ladies and gentlemen,
drum roll, if you google JohnStamos, like how angry she is
at us? She's like, that'snot right. She really thought she had

(21:37):
us. She thought it was.I don't agree with everything you say.
It says, where's it. Stamoshas occasionally performed in concert with and as
a member of the Beach Boys Baiting, dating back to nineteen eighty five.
Both okay, beach Boy, Well, I mean he can, he can

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consider himself that. But when Ithink of the Beach Boys, I don't
think of John Stamos. I dothink about the times that he has performed,
obviously on Full House and then whenhe did do things with them after.
But I think, like when youthink of a band like the Beach

(22:23):
Boys, I don't think. Idon't know. I just can't. Well,
you know this on Kocomo, theone that from Cocktail, So he
plays the drums on that, andhe's in the video. All right,
So I think we need a littledumbs pull. Is John Stamos beach Boy.
We're gonna have to put a pullout? Remember that wax. I'm

(22:47):
not because he's not. So you'renot gonna do a pull. It's gonna
be what what breaks us up?The fucking John Stamos. Oh my god.
He does have a really good voice, so he's real good. Lots
of things I think he's better lookingnow. He's one of those examples of
men of how men just are sexierwith age. John stamos Man, Yeah,

(23:11):
oh oh for sure. Bob Sagettnot so much. No, I
think he's sexier as he's older too. Really, there's something about the sense
of humor and the I don't know, I like a good sense of humor.
I don't know. I mean II and the gray hair and the
glasses. There's something. Oh yeah, I'm gonna. I was embarrassed to

(23:34):
admit that Kevin Costner was my hallpass m. And I still embarrassing because
it's Kevin Costner. He's hey,he's not he's aged well but not well
enough. Like he's he hasn't.He's a little rubbery, at least from
visual aspects. But yeah, Ilike I like gray hair. Yeah,

(23:56):
me too, Like Richard Deer,like salt and pepper. Yeah, like
Richard garin Pretty Woman. And therewas a first adult crush I ever had.
All Right, do you want totake a break? Who do you
think should we take a break.It's been a half hour. Take a
break. All right, We're gonnatake a break, little doves, and
when we come back, we aregoing to talk about and it's not me.

(24:19):
It is not me this time bringingit up. It is Wags.
What happened the latest drama with KatieJoy Paulson aka Without a Crystal Ball.
We'll be right back after these shortmessages. Welcome back to bums and mayhem.
So Wags brought this to my attention. I have not been on YouTube

(24:44):
much lately. I've been kind oflistening to podcast a lot more and rewatching
Game of Thrones, which takes upthe majority of my time. So I
have not been totally up to dateon my YouTube drama. And you brought
this to my attention and I wasfloored. So again we have crazy people,

(25:11):
trolls with no lives. How areyou? You're precious harassing a woman,
but not only are now harassing herkid, which is or threatening her
kid? Am I right? Yeah? What happened? So? I actually
found this on Facebook? Um,and basically what it comes down to is

(25:37):
that, um Katie Joy from Withouta Crystal Ball post it that she woke
up. This was a couple ofdays ago. She woke up this morning
to over a dozen emails from accountsclaiming to be people. So I will,
I will pretense all of this withI don't know the beef. I

(26:00):
don't know. Why have I saidthis so many times today? Like I
don't know the beef. Somebody needsto censor me. Um there's there and
Leah Will will explain it because Idon't really know what's going on this specifics,
but there's Katie has a lot ofissues with a lot of people.
Um yes, and I personally thinksome of those are valid and some of

(26:26):
those are just it's just bullshit.But anyway, um so, one of
the emails that she received referenced murderingand harming her son. I don't even
want to say the word that theywere going to slit her throat and kill
her. Our word her son.Yes, were the exact words that they

(26:47):
used her son. It's special needsand also eight years old, and they
used her son's name. They spelledit wrong, but they used her son's
name. Yeah, I mean herYeah so I And I'm not even going
to read the messages that she postit because they're vile and they're incredibly nasty.

(27:08):
And you know, Katie gets herselfin situations that I would never want
to be in, and that isthat's on her that's what she's doing.
She gets hate for it, shegets people that are loyal followers, she
gets the gamut of everything. Somy issue comes down to is that she

(27:30):
claims that she has had a stalkerand that they have been doing things similar
to her sending emails, and therewas I know a while back, there
was a bunch of stuff about callingthe cops and CPS involvement. It's just
it's just the circle of just nastinessbetween her and other people, and it

(27:52):
just it just doesn't stop. Um. So one of the emails claims to
be from someone that she is havingissues with now, and on top of
that, they referenced this person's name, and that's someone that she has problems

(28:12):
with and I think like her.Her YouTube handle is creep creep Show creep
shoe Art, So really quick,what happens with those two? It was
a unirox server, um Katie.This was during the Tatti Westbrook thing.

(28:33):
Creep Show had done some videos onKatie and as a quick aside, creepshow
Art it turns out, is acreep She goes on Reddit and like det
non sites. I don't know exactlywhat the site was, but she was
basically just exposed for being a reallyrotten person, for trolling herself like she

(28:56):
would go on, she created allthese accounts and they have proof of this,
and then like making stuff up andthis is a warrior. She just
she goes on her channel, standson her soapbox and screams and yells that
everybody on the internet is icky andhorrible. And it turns out that she's

(29:17):
ikey and horrible. Wait, I'msorry. She was creating She was creating
accounts to basically troll herself to commenton. Yes, basically is what she
was doing. From what I understand. Now, that's interesting marketing, right.
I could be wrong about this,and if I am, don't come

(29:41):
for me, but let us knowand tell me where I'm wrong. But
from what I gathered from a UniRock video that he had done recently about
this whole thing, is that that'sbasically what she had been doing. And
there was something where somebody had comeforward and shared emails that they had done

(30:02):
with Creepshow, and Creepshow was tryingto pretend it wasn't her and that she
had been docked, and she saidsome horrible things about her sister, like
she it turns out that this andCreepshow never shows her face. And I
just want to say this really quick. I have no problem with you not
wanting to share your true identity.I have nothing wrong with that. I

(30:25):
still, to this day now thinkhad I known, and we're on such
a small level, guys, likea really fucking small level. But had
I known that that the ever evolvingTruth was going to be on Good Morning
America and that my name was goingto be you know, attached to it
and it's my first and last nameand quoted in articles and stuff like that,

(30:48):
I probably would have used the differentname because I'm easily accessible. You
just google my name. And weall saw the ship store that happened last
year from complete strangers that decided theywanted to attack me on a smaller level.
So do I get why people don'tshow their face on YouTube or use

(31:11):
a fake name? Sure, Iget it. I do. I do,
I absolutely do. But the thingwith people like Creep Show is they
go on their channels and they sayhorrible things about other people, but nobody
can really come for you because nobodyknows who the fuck you are. And
to me, that's just it's cowardice. And I don't respect someone that does

(31:36):
shit like that. She's a beautifulartist, and I will say that,
but I don't know what I say. Now. I have to have I
believe what I say, and ifI'm wrong, call me out on it
and explain to me why. ButI'm putting myself out there, Wags is
putting herself out there as ourselves,and these people that are coward too cowardly

(32:00):
to do that, and then theygo on and trash other people. And
it does usually turn out that thosepeople that are hiding their faces are doing
it for a reason. And that'swhat happened with Creepshow. She is ikey
and I cannot stand her so buther and Katie had a falling out about
they never knew each other, butCreepshow kept saying that Katie was like stocking

(32:22):
her and all this kind of stuff. It was a mess. Well,
it seems there's just a lot ofthat's I'm being dosed, I'm being stocked,
I'm being harassed. It's just allit is. That's that's what it
is. Now. I will say, what's interesting is that this person who
Katie did put in what she wrote, or it might have been a comment
that she knew who this person was, that she was able to track down

(32:45):
like their specific ways that you canlook for an IP address, and then
it was like being spoofed to somewhereelse, but she knew who this person
was. If you know who theperson is that's harassing you and threatening your
child, what are you doing atthis point? But what really bothers me
is that this creep Show art,they put her name on it. They

(33:09):
said that it was from this person, whoever Creepshow art is. That's what
the email said that it was fromfrom this person. The email the email
too, Creepshow said it was fromthis person. No, the email to
Katie said it was from Creepshow.Yeah, that is interesting, and Creepshow's

(33:32):
claiming it wasn't her, I Iwould assume. So I can't imagine if
it was going if you were goingto put your name on something, why
are you sending it with a fakeemail address? Why are you doing it
directly? As as that, andthere there was threats about like a lawsuit

(33:52):
and that that whoever this person isthat said it said that keep my name
out of your mouth or you knowyou're going to be facing another lawsuit.
And just nasty, vile things.So, oh my god. So I
wonder if this was part of sosince seeing that Uni Rock video where he
was saying that Creepshow had been doingthis on other sites, like doing exactly

(34:16):
what you just said, using aspoofed email, right, So you're saying
that these emails were coming from Creepshow, not the one certaining her son,
right, the ones that were likestay out of keeping my name out of
your mouth and stuff. So itdoesn't you're not absolutely positive because I I
flipped through it, and I knowthere is stuff there from Creepshow. I

(34:37):
just think it's from two different people. I think she's just showing that,
like how she's being stocked. I'mputting these these threats together. I'm not
positive. Yeah, Good Show issending her, but it seems to me
that that's that's what's happening. Idon't think that it's I don't that's what

(34:59):
I'm saying. I don't think thatit's this Creepshow art. I think from
what people are commenting on all thethreads, that that's what they are insinuating
that it's some of those emails arefrom Creepshow. That just doesn't make But
it does make sense. See that'swhat I'm saying. Maybe that's where these

(35:21):
people are getting it from. Itdoes make sense that it would be creepshow
if it's coming out that she hasbeen doing this kind of stuff, that
the woman who is creepshow art hasbeen like basically making sock accounts the troll.
Maybe that's where this is coming fromwhere people are saying it's creepshow,

(35:43):
because it would make sense with theleave my name out of your mouth,
and because they had a pretty publicfight, like it was pretty public on
YouTube and creepshow went hard for Katie. Katie went pretty hard, and some
people say he she dosed her umin uniserver. I I don't believe that

(36:07):
it was doxing. If you wantto know what that's about, going to
YouTube Google, you know, withouta crystal ball prep show work doxing,
it'll come up. Yeah, ButI mean, that's this is so,
this is what happens. Katie postedthat. I saw that. It caught
my attention. It caught my attentionbecause I'm like, why are we going

(36:29):
after kids? And I'll get intothat a little bit more in the moment.
But you go through and you readand you read on Twitter and Facebook
and Instagram, and you read allthese threads and there's just name throwing all
around. What was this person?Was that person? If I'm going to

(36:50):
threaten someone's life and I'm going tothreaten to physically and sexually harm someone's child,
um, and I have a hugefollowing, Like that makes no fucking
sense, Like why would I,as a content creator put myself in that
situation. Then it goes on,well maybe someone else they did it on

(37:12):
their behalf. It's again, thisisn't like I don't like the content that
you're putting out. I don't likethe way that you handle your social media.
They're going after like family members.And I've said this before about Katie
Joy and her channel, and I'llsay it again. Leave the children alone.

(37:34):
Don't talk about children. I don'tcare if they're fundies, I don't
care who they are. Let's nottalk about under the age of eighteen.
Now they okay, so wait,I will Challe. I'm gonna challenge you
a little bit there. So Iget, don't talk about the kids.
But let's take a family like theDuggers who put their children on television,

(37:55):
or the Goslings or I don't know, these any family that you know puts
their kids in the public eye,does that leave room for discussing the children
if the child is a celebrity.It No, it doesn't. Because if
you're going to look at something that'son TV and you're gonna say, okay,

(38:19):
you know, the Doggers have allthese kids, or the Goslins,
you know, Okay, you seewhat they're putting out there. But if
there are allegations of abuse or there'sthings like that, I just think that
we should not talk about children andabuse. And even if it's a cult
and that's the abuse. Okay,that's the problem that I have because because

(38:40):
here's the thing. I can talkabout my children and I can talk about
things that they do when we doour show. We have that opportunity and
that freedom to do that. Iwould not share personal things about my child
that I would not want them toto have to grow up and be like,
I can't believe my mom shared thatone there, and yeah, so

(39:07):
like you can if you want totalk about what's going on and it involves
the children. The problem I haveis that it just continuously and it's not
just Katie Joy, It's not justher and I won't put the blame all
on her. It's content creators whofeel like they have the freedom to just
share whatever is out there. Andthe moment that we finished during that episode

(39:28):
on Michael Long and as his daughterm we all agreed, Okay, we
talked about it. None of usfelt good about like we we decided that
we don't want to talk about thatanymore. I said, if you guys
want to continue a conversation, youare more than welcome to. I don't
want to talk about those kind ofthings. And I'm not saying that Katie

(39:51):
deserved to have someone come at herchild, But there are people out there
that are so loyal to these celebrities, these reality TV stars and people just
everyday folk that Katie has somehow gotunder their skin that they don't fucking care.
And there's disturbed people who might havejust read a tweet or saw someone

(40:15):
commenting and talking shit about her allthe different you know, anti Katie faceboor
Twitter accounts. I was like,Oh, this is fun, like people,
there are sickos out there. Thatboy doing that. That's the problem
right there. This whole Oh I'mgonna sit behind a computer screen and rail
on someone that I am jealous ofis basically what it is. These are

(40:39):
people, Look you, guys,it is twenty twenty one. I am
a what is known as a geriatricmillennial, which again, fuck y'all,
I'm to say it every time.I am not geriatric. I fucking hate
you all. Your generation sucks anda hat being part of it, that's

(41:00):
not the point. But as ageriatric millennial, I have figured out how
to create a podcast, how toupload shit on YouTube, how to open
my mouth and talk about things right, So any one of you can be
the next Katie Joy Paulson. Ifyou don't like what she's doing, go
out and do it better. Butstop trolling people. This is There's nothing

(41:24):
fun, funny or cute about it. It is so repulsive, and you
are just the bottom of the barrelof maggots with ambuzz all over it,
like that is what you are.You are underneath that. You are just
so low and so disgusting, especiallywhen you're going to go after a child,

(41:46):
a child who has nothing to dowith any of this, nothing to
do with any of this, nothing. This is not Katie Joy is not
the duggers. There was a pointwhere she was you know, she she
was a mommy blogger for a littlebit talking about her son with special needs,
and she stopped doing that because sherealized exactly what you just said,

(42:09):
Wags, that you can talk about, you know, your kids. I
can talk about my three kids,but I don't talk about things that you
know. We talk about them inpassing and it's more on being a parent,
which is similar to what Katie did. But there is a fine line

(42:29):
right between you know, exposing yourchild's secrets and and also like kind of
profiting off your child, Like thereare so many people that do that,
and the Duggers being one of them, a big example of them. I'm
not And I will give Katie credithere, like she does go after the

(42:52):
kids, she does comment on theirstuffing, but they're adults now. The
Duggers are not children, like JoshDugger is not a kid. Yeah,
I doesn't talk about Josh's kids andthat kind of stuff, And I think,
but I also agree with you.I don't care who the fuck you
are. If you are attempting orI'm not sorry, insinuating or threatening to

(43:13):
hurt a child, you deserve tobe locked up. I don't care who
you are, and you definitely shouldn'thave the right to the Internet. Nobody's
kid deserves that, and no mothershould have to worry about something like that
simply because she's doing her job.That's what makes me mad. Like Katie.

(43:35):
Don't like Katie, I don't givea flying fuck, but threatening her
children is out of line. Andwhen I went on and saw it,
immediately I saw a whole bunch ofpeople saying, oh, she spoofed this,
she made this up, blah blahblah. What kind of person would
it take to say that about theirown kid. She didn't make that,

(43:59):
she didn't do this, She didn'tdo this. Clearly people are doing it
to her and it's repulsive, andI think the laws need to change,
Like there has to be away likethese spoofing things, write these email spoofs,
how are they legal? Like thatis what I don't get, Like
how are you able to just takeLike if somebody knew how to do it

(44:22):
well enough, they could actually usethe Moms and Mayhem podcast at gmail dot
com email address and send people horriblethings from us, Like how is that
this wasn't from what I could say, this was more like so you couldn't
track the IP address, and Iand I and everyone to go back to

(44:45):
what you said a little bit ago. Everyone knows my stance. I said
it again, just a little bitago, about these the fucking kids alone.
But there are people that will arguethat Katie talks about her son.
Yeah, that's where it was going. Yeah, we talk about our children.
So if someone wants to comment whateverway, derogatory or in a positive

(45:07):
light about our child, we putthem in the public eye, so to
speak. We talked about them.That doesn't give anyone else the right to
talk about them. And again,there are people that hate her so much
that they just don't stop. ButKatie doesn't stop either. I was literally

(45:30):
just looking before we started. Acouple of hours ago. She posted a
screenshot of a restraining order. Atsome point, I just want to know,
when do you decide it's enough?Okay, So it's just constant and
then now there's this back and forthabout this Shannon, I guess it's her.

(45:52):
Yeah, yeah, there's all ofthis going back and forth. It's
a never ending battle. Not thatI'm saying that she should just be like,
you know what, I'm sucking done, But when she does what she
does, and she goes back toand she does just doing the videos and
doing the commentary and being a contentcreator. This is a chaos creator and

(46:16):
she's guilty. Everyone else that's participatingis. And that's why I don't I
don't watch what she does anymore becauseit's just a vicious cycle. And we
got a taste of it when weput out a very small clip of a
video discussing something about her before andTwitter and again because I'm gonna put this

(46:37):
on YouTube. So but it's justlike I want to ask her. I
want to know, like, whenare you going to decide it's enough?
When are you going to set boundaries? I feel like I'm going to go
off Twitter and then she comes back. She can do whatever the fuck that
she wants. But she's been doingit so long and she's had all of
these things come at her. Ipersonally would be like, Okay, you

(47:01):
know what, this is not worthit. If someone's going if I have
to get a restraining order because ofinternet activity, internet, you know conversations
I've had with people, Is thatworth it to you? So? I
think Stirner's going to get his wishhere, so getting so I completely understand

(47:25):
what you're saying that sheet the otherday and tea we did a teat trial
of Milo Anopolis where we talked aboutthe you know, ikey human being that
is Milo, and Jeff kept callinghim a lightning rod, and I said,
he's not a lightning rod because arod doesn't know it's trying to catch

(47:47):
the lightning. He's a lightning chaser. There is a difference. This is
somebody that creates controversy in their lifeso they can be more famous. And
that's what I'm not here about.With Katie. I think you fall on
the side of saying that she isthe lightning chaser, not the rod.
Right, That's that's what you thinkabout her. Do you think that she

(48:10):
does this on purpose? Do youthink she she keeps the drama going?
I think in some ways, ButI honestly feel like she is so far
deep and she's not the only contactcreator that is having issues. This is
this is not just a Katie thing. This is just Katie because an article
cancel culture is such a reality andour art. Yeah, yeah, it's

(48:32):
any opera. I mean, there'sa TikToker now that I really enjoy,
and she's dealing with stuff from realitystars, reality TV stars, including Team
Mom, and it's just this again, this vicious cycle. And yeah,
like you're going to get more peoplewatching your ship, You're going to get
more interaction, but like, whywould you want that? So here's where,

(48:54):
here's where I think I'm going togive her the benefit of the doubt.
But I really like what you said. You want to ask her,
and we've discussed her coming on before, and we're going to put it out
there again. I know it fellthrough every time, Katie, but if
you see this and you would wantto talk to us about it, I

(49:14):
think we both want to understand whereyou're coming from, and this would be
a chance for you. We'll letyou, you know, say your piece.
We could do it live if youwant. I don't care. But
what Wags wants to know when enoughis enough? And I feel like when
I I did find her originally fromher blocks, so I've seen her and

(49:40):
then I watched her on The SmokingNun with Kyle Curtis. I've been a
fan with her long before the stuffstarted, and when this first thing started,
it was with Steve mcicky. SoSteve McCray is a horrible person.
We've discussed this at length. Ifyou want to know what I'm talking about,
go back to our Cancel Culture episodeor Steve Steve McCray YouTube terrorist.

(50:05):
You can hear all about it.But Katie kept her mouth shut about that,
never mentioned it one time in eighteenmonths until she finally did. And
then the moment she did, itexploded. It got so much bigger and
so much worse. And because it'swhat Steve wanted. I think he wanted
her to react, and her channelwas getting huge, and then she finally

(50:30):
had to because that's when these otherthings were popping up. It started with
them, the crazies, they started, you know, going at her,
and these those crazy people are notgoing to stop. They're just not there.
They are out for blood. They'reout to ruin her life, and
they won't settle for anything other thanher complete and utter canceled being canceled.

(50:51):
That's how I feel, and Ireally wonder again on a smile or scale,
I said every time, but assomebody who's gone through a little bit
of Katie's gone through, I gether come that of state because I wouldn't
trust anyone if I were her,And I think she's made some really bad
decisions with other content. Creators,But I think she did it out of

(51:14):
fear. I don't think she didit out of anything else. I think
it was fear and panic. AndI think that there there's something to be
said about her posting or restraining orderand saying see I told you, like
the courts agree with me, I'mnot lying. I think she's constantly called

(51:35):
out as a liar and a horribleperson, and that she's creating all this
stuff. And I don't know ifshe is the lightning rod or lightning chaser.
I'm not sure, but it definitelystrikes around her, that's for sure.
And I think I think and thiscould just be me projecting, because
it's I think how I would feelor what I've done. There were moments

(51:58):
where I started to think, I'mdone. I can't do this, buck
this, I am done. Ican't take the constant you know. There
was Facebook posts saying I was havingan affair with my boss. There was
there was stuff all over the place, you know, just really create that
affected me in my real personal life. And there was a point where I

(52:22):
was going to quit. And itwas really wags and Jeff that were like,
you can't, because if you do, they win. And I think
there might be some of that withKatie if she was quiet for so long
and that didn't work, and thenwhen she speaks up it gets worse.
And then I think some of itis just trying to validate her truth but

(52:47):
also not going to back down toyou people, like if you think,
I'm just gonna But on the otherhand, there is something to be said
about just rising above when they gologo high, just don't talk about it.
Eventually, I think if you ignoredit completely, don't tweet about it,
don't facebook post about it, don'tdo anything. Just pretend it's not

(53:10):
happening, and they're going to getbored, I think because you fight back,
like we didn't fight back with thepeople on YouTube because we didn't fucking
care to. As a matter offact, we did a response to it
on the podcast, but we neverput it out on YouTube because I thought
about it. I don't care like, and it went away because of that.
I don't care, like I'm notgoing to argue with someone you can.

(53:35):
I would do it all behind thescenes, but I would still fight.
So I'm not sure which it is, but I would love for her
to come on and tell us aboutwell, it is something to be said,
and I agree, and you know, we've had lengthy discussions about that
similarity similarity with you. However,you made a conscious decision a sty okay

(54:00):
and B. I am setting boundaries. I'm going to not put myself.
I'm I'm going to kind of limitthe conversations I have about my children or
things very personal to me. Notthat that was a justifiable reason for those
people to do what they did andsay what they said and the actions that
came out of it, But thenthat was it. There was nothing that

(54:23):
there was nothing. We didn't respondto it, there was nothing that they
could latch on, and they justkept going and going going. What I
find what happens with Katie is that, And again it's not just Katie,
but here's an example. With creatorslike Katie and herself. It's just okay,
So I'm going to respond to this, and in that process, I'm

(54:44):
going to throw this other person,maybe not under the bus, but I'm
going to get them involved and saywhy had a conversation with this person.
So now all these people are gettingpulled into it. So now it's not
like I'm going to have a problem. I'm not going to say, beef,
I'm going to have a problem withthis person. But now it's like
now I'm gonna have a problem withthis group show art, and we're going

(55:06):
to bring all that shit back up. And it's just like I continuous like
like it's almost like she's just tryingto stay afloat. Well yeah, and
just be like if I if Iwere her, and take it for what
it's worth. You say your peace, you say these are these are my

(55:29):
boundaries. I you know, amgoing to share my life as a mom
when I when I want to.If I want to talk about my child,
I will do that. If youthreaten my child, or you talk
about my child in a derogatory way, or you do anything that could harm
them, either physically or putting somethingout on the internet, I'm going to

(55:49):
hold you accountable. What I'm notgoing to do is start this back and
forth and just continuously creating these fireseverywhere I go, because guess what,
She's going to get caught in oneof those fires, and that's gonna be
it for her. Something will seriouslyhappen, and I that's what I could
That's what I'm concerned about, isthat someone that just wants to do what

(56:15):
they love. They want to dothese these content shows and do these you
know breakdowns on reality TV. That'snot who she is anymore. And that's
what happens. These these content creatorsget lost, They get in this vicious
drama cycle. And well, becausethe drama gets views, and that is

(56:36):
definitely true. Look, people aregoing to tune in for a fight,
there's a reason or or drama,or they love a villain. Everybody loves
a villain, right, and peoplelove to pick sides and even again,
like with season one to Tea,there's a reason why that was our most

(57:00):
successful thing because it was just drama, sex, you know, arguing back
and forth there there. I've heardpeople say like they would wake up in
the morning and the first thing theywould do was check the Facebook page to
see if there were any fights goingon on T Like, yeah it that
And when that started, right whenwe really started to be like this bitch

(57:22):
and lion and here's the proof,and then she started fighting with us,
our numbers started to skyrocket. Yougotta listen to this, you gotta check
this out right, So I thinkthere is something to be said about these
people and Katie being one of them, they start the drama for views and

(57:47):
then it ends up hurting their channel, right, Because yeah, and that
comes to the people that say,you're asking for it. You knew what
you were doing. You knew thatthere could be a possibility that somebody's going
to sue you, that somebody's goingto come after you and threaten you.
People do things because you give thema reason to right, not saying that

(58:12):
it's justified. I don't agree withthat kind of stuff. But again to
those people that say, aren't youasking for it? You have to see
the sense behind that. Like Ifeel that way, and it's not because
I want that to happen. Butagain, at some point, pick a

(58:34):
lane, you are, Yeah,at some point pick a lane. And
also like to circle back to ourearlier conversation on how I can relate everything
back to Game of Thrones. Youknow, Sercy Landister raised Joffrey to be
a monster and then he got murdered, and then you know, she pissed
off the Martels and they killed herdaughter. That kind of shit happens to

(58:58):
people like, yes, Sarcy bayof One at one point, right,
like, she defeated all her enemies, she blew them all up. She
still ended up covered up in rubblein the red keep, because eventually that
ship's going to come back and biteyou in the ass. And if you're
going to create this shit storm aroundyou, eventually you're going to be covered

(59:21):
in diarrhea, you know what Imean? So, and how much of
that is your fault? And howmuch ownership do you have? And I
think that is something that I willsay, even as a fan of Katie's,
she doesn't take ownership for what she'sdoing. Sometimes she's she's a perpetual

(59:43):
victim. And I think a lotof times it's justified. I do.
I do believe that, you know, maybe ninety seven percent of it is
justifiably victim, but that three percentis a lot, right, So they
take it to a step too far. But if you hadn't pissed them off
so bad and kept antagonizing them,maybe they would have not sent that email.

(01:00:07):
Maybe they would just ignore you.So there is something to be said
about that. And also if likeI said, I have no problem being
the villain either, Like I'm notgonna lie. Clearly, we know that
if we put this out on YouTube, we're gonna get views for this we're
not taught. We're talking about itbecause we're interested in it. But people

(01:00:28):
who say like, oh, I'mnot doing this to get get views,
I'm not doing this to get listens, Fuck you. Yes you are.
Of course you are. You're creatingcontent. You talk about stuff to get
views and listens. That's our jobs, right, So stop this high ground
like, oh, I'm I'm notdoing it for that, Yes you are.
And if you want to be avillain, like Wag said, pick

(01:00:52):
a lane. If you want tobe that person that is surrounded by controversy
because it's good for your brand andyou're you know, your channel or whatever,
do you boo boo, I'm allabout that, but you have to
own it. You can't be thevillain and the victim at the same time.

(01:01:13):
With these content creators and their fanbase, you have to hold them
accountable as well. You need totell people that follow you and want to
defend you know what, We're notgoing to cross this line. We're not
going to go into this conversation.I'm asking you, if you are a
fan of mine, do not engage. Do not participate in that, because

(01:01:34):
it only keeps putting, you know, gasoline on the fire and we'll be
right back after this break. Welcomeback to the end of our show.
So we are not doing the originalendings segments, not saying they're not coming
back, but we are going toplay with a few things. And today

(01:02:01):
UM, Wags has first, We'regonna talk some some more TV. This
has been a very television heavy episodeand I'm kind of digging it because we
off the reels during that middle segmentthere. But yeah, you know,
it's got to toss it up alittle bit, you know, keeping you

(01:02:22):
on your toes, folks. UM. So we're gonna talk some TV,
Handmaid's Tale and specifically, and thenWags has a question for all of us,
UM, And I was thinking thatmight be a cool idea, UM
to get rid of if we tossup the ending segments. Maybe do you

(01:02:44):
know the question of the week?Kind of like thoughts from the whoop hoole,
um, but questions where we askeach other. We'll take turns and
every week we have a random questionfor each other and we'll put the question
out on our social media and seewhat you guys think about it. So
let's try this. I think Wagswill have again and our first um our

(01:03:08):
first shot at it, our newsegment, possible segment, we'll see that's
fun. Well, I'm going toreally disappoint you because it's not going to
be something for the general public toanswer. But well maybe some weeks we'll
put it out on our social mediabecause it really doesn't matter because our little
dubs suck at life and don't engagewith us. Listen, that's why she

(01:03:32):
relates to Sarves. Burn you alldown, I do. I'm gonna burn
your cities to the ground if youguys don't start interaction, in interaction,
interacting with ours. So media,so Handmaids tail wags. It's okay.

(01:03:54):
I was bugging your ass to watchit, and you start. You didn't
even tell me, so now I'mdying to know what you're thinking and what's
going on and how far are you? How far are you? First of
all, I am exactly twelve minutesinto the first episode. But wait,
what didn't you want to talk about? Bah? My god? Okay,

(01:04:15):
killing me small. I was soexcited for it. I was late to
the Handmaids too. I was lateto the game me too. Um,
and I was so excited after lastseason and can't wait, like I'm so
excited to do this. I hada really it came out. April twenty

(01:04:38):
eighth is when the first episode ofseason four premiered. We are now well
halfway into June, twelve minutes intofirst episode of season four. I I
do not know why, but Ido know why. I think deep down,
I can't. I can't do it. I feel like the current times,

(01:05:02):
okay, are so like I'm seeingthat parallel between Gillyad and Yeah,
and it's like like it's like Ican disassociate myself from reality. Obviously.
I like game it thrill. I'vebeen walking dead. That is something that

(01:05:27):
is you know, walking dead,that is that is a possibility, that
possibility. Um, everything else maybenot so much. Um. I just
I can't. I can't get overit. Like I I've started to watch
it, and the first time Idid fall asleep, I was really tired,
so that time doesn't really count.Okay, I want to watch it

(01:05:48):
because I keep seeing things like peopleposting and and even just using like you,
I have some weird disconnected my bodyright now. That's like, no,
you don't want to watch it becauseI have heard it is so intense.

(01:06:08):
Okay, Okay, So I amgoing to attempt to talk to you
about the season into our Little Dovesand my feelings on it. I start.
I'm about five minutes into the seasonfinale, which came out yesterday,

(01:06:29):
so I'm pretty well caught up.I didn't watch the finale yet, and
now that I know that you haven'twatched it, I want to wait until
you watch it. We should watchit together. Okay, So I have
a lot of worse and I havea lot of work to do the next
I'll wait. It doesn't matter.I'll wait because I am dreading it so
and not for the reasons you thinkI am dreading it. Because I think

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it's This season has been very hardfor me, and and it is intense.
Um. But and and the reasonI wanted to talk about it again
Game of Thrones, I think so. The Handmaid's Tale is also a book,
right, everybody knows that. AndMargaret Atwood um did just write a

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sequel to it, which I haven'tseen or read yet. Um. But
everything up until the hanging um atthe end of season one, when she's
you know, when they're at thedocks or whatever. Um, that was
the first book. So season onewas based off the book, the whole

(01:07:41):
book, and when um the bookspoiler alert, the book ends. Um
there, you don't know if Junelives or dies, and I actually believe
in the book, I don't knowif they name her. I don't know
that June was born as her name. I think she's just always offered.

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Okay, so I can't remember.I read it so long ago. But
um, so after season one,they ran out of source material, right,
just like in with Game of Thrones, the goal was to the Winds
of Winter was supposed to come outaround season five, and they were going
to have the rest of the booksin the whole story that did not come

(01:08:27):
to fruition, and they ran outof source material. And that's when the
show season five, it just divertedand started taking twists and turns because it's
not stories epic stories like that,powerful stories like Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale.
Also they have there's the person writingthem is the only person that should

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be writing for them. It istheir story, right, So when when
you sell it and you give it, do TV people they always beat it
into the ground like it's because they'regonna go for the entertainment and what's funny,
and even if Margaret Atwood sat downand explained every single thing about the

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show to the producers and writers aboutthe story and how it should end,
or if George R. Martin did, which he did basically, and they
still fucking ruined it because they can't. They of course they will, it's
not their story to tell. Sobut with The Handmaid's Tale the second season,
I will say in thirteen Reasons why, that's another example of a book

(01:09:36):
where they went past the source material. And usually the first the first time
they do it, it's usually reallygood. And then as it keeps,
the show gains popularity and it keepsgoing and after season like halfway through season
two, I believe it was.And then spoiler alert everyone, if you

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have not watched The hand I Made'sTail up through season three and you don't
want to know what happens, skipit. But when she gets away with
baby Nicole and she's about to crossthe border and she hands that baby to
Emily, I wanted to break myTV. I was so fucking angry because

(01:10:23):
I don't care. First of all, I don't care how strong you are.
You know your child is decently safe, you know, and you have
no power there. You know it. You've been beaten, you've been raped.
I don't care how strong you areand how much you love your child,
You're gonna leave. And then anysensible mother is going to get out
while they can, and then they'regoing to work to get their kid back

(01:10:44):
once they're in safety, right,And how many times are you gonna have
this woman come this close to neardeath and then she's fine and she manages
like they would in reality. Ican't suspend the belief because in a stopian
society like that, she would havebeen on the wall, you know,
immediately. But to keep doing itand being able to get away with it

(01:11:09):
because she was fucking an eye like, it was just like, are you
kidding what? I don't It pissedme off. So then this season what
happens. I was kind of disappointedbut also relieved, and it just yeah,

(01:11:30):
And it's kind of a they gointo PTSD a lot in this season
and reacting to it, and thereare some really really harsh moments with a
male character that you're kind of like, I don't know. I had a

(01:11:51):
hard time watching it. It reallybothered me and I don't like I don't
like how they're making like the plotarmor almost on these characters. It's um
like Serena and Fred, something happenswith them and it's like, of course,

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like it's just typical writing that itwould never happen in real life,
and but they have to keep thestory going and it's driving me nuts.
And that show was so good.Uh yeah, so good, especially the
second season, and like what youwere saying that we're living in that time,
like when they I said it ontea last night. I was talking

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about The Handmaid's Tale and how that'smy big sphere is that our country is
gonna that's gonna happen. So listento that tomorrow. Yeah, listen to
And yeah, I hear that.I think that's what it is like because
I'm so I've been so immersed andthese new heartbeats that they're those that they're

(01:13:00):
trying to pass and and really lookingat what they say, like like the
cliff note version is like it's alot, but when you actually go through
and you look at the things thatare on there, and then I get
into these weird rabbit holes, I'mlike, okay, So then I try
to picture like who would I be? And I get this disconnect where I'm

(01:13:24):
like, I just can't watch it, like I want to watch it,
but then I'm also like I can't. I'm going to watch it. I
want to watch it, but I'mlike, I don't have a uterus.
You keep thinking about that, likeyou and I we should we should,
we should do that? Who wouldwe be in Gilead? It's really like
I I feel like I feel likeI obviously couldn't be a hand mate,

(01:13:51):
but I I, well, that'swhat I was I was thinking, And
then I was like, but thenif I just really want to like fuck
someone's day up, what could Ido? Like what would I want to
be if I could like make thechange, like if I could be in
the inside, in at the circle, like fixing it. And I know

(01:14:14):
that sounds really crazy to some peopleto be like, yeah, like we
could totally be living in handmaid Tales. But if you aren't looking at these
heartbeat laws, and you aren't lookingat at the control and the power,
and we don't have time today togo over all that. But if you
aren't doing your research and you're justlooking at it as like oh, it's
an anti abortion law, it's somuch worse than that, and I think

(01:14:36):
about Handmaids Tales because it's current,it's what's out there now. It's a
very extreme, but it is possible, and that is what is incredibly scary.
So I will watch it. Iwill go back and I will watch
the first episode of season four tonightand I'm a report back and maybe I'll

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give me like a week or two. Okay, Um, maybe we'll do
an episode where we break down theseason. Yeah, yeah, I again.
I I don't like thinking like this, but I love shows that make
me think, like like Walking Dead, like I know, I'm I'm gonna
make it, and thenmates Field,I don't know. That is a good

(01:15:21):
point too. I would make itin The Walking Dead as long as there's
you know, I don't have tobe the fastest runner. I just have
to be faster than the slowest soI could always survive. Yeah, I
got you. I will take youas im. That's just we have to

(01:15:42):
get back to that because we weregonna we were gonna do an episode about
like characters and like our our favoritecharacters get out the Walking Dead that get
the least like credibility. Um,yeah, we have to do that too.
We should put that out on YouTube. We have so much that we
want to do, but we shouldprobably wrap it up. Sures, do
you want to come on so Ican ask you a question. Yes,

(01:16:04):
let's do it. Okay, Sobefore we get into our plugs. And
again this only relates to people thatare doing what we're doing, but it
could maybe it could be for anyone. Is there? Maybe not? Is
there? What do you do beforeyou start recording? Like is there something
that you do that you're like,why do I do this? Like a

(01:16:26):
little quirk or something like I'll giveyou mine so you know, after there
were videos leaked of me looking likea troll, I make sure that I
at least have mascara and lipstick on, and that is that will be the
extreme. At least I'm not deathupon her. But I put perfume on

(01:16:49):
every time before we record. AndI don't know why I do it because
I'm like, you can't smell me. I will. I will fluff up
my hair or put on my hator put it up, and I spray
myself with perfume. Oh it makesyou feel good? Yeah yeah, But
every time I do it, Ilaugh. I laugh at myself too much,

(01:17:10):
Like you donbitual you putting off perfume, like and it's not like just
like like body mists or anything.It's like nice perfume and went now for
Yeah, I'm like like some Louislike, why am I sitting in my
basement today? I'm in my diing, Remember why am I sitting in my
basement? Um with perfume on?Like why do I do that? But

(01:17:32):
I do that. There's not anepisode that I do not do that.
And sometimes even when I'm producing,I'm trying to think, what if I
have a thing I don't I'm sureI do, Like you're gonna maybe you'll
have to think about it, maybeyou'll have to report that. I may
have to report back, yeah,because I mean I definitely do my hair

(01:17:54):
in my makeup, but I don'tknow that that counts because we know it's
on video. So like, ofcourse I do that. What's my weird
quirky thing I have to I mean, I do do that thing. Okay,
what I know what I do.I'm sure everybody does it. But
um, when I do my hairand makeup, right, I have I

(01:18:15):
do in my bathroom and then Icome out here and then um like right
when I'm done, and whether I'mready to sign on or anything yet,
I'll sit down, turn on thecamera and all the lightning and then like
kind of like we're talking to themicrophone or or be like, do you

(01:18:38):
like see what angle I should get? Make sure I look okay for the
camera. I like screen test.It's so you pull up stream yard,
so you pull it up before weget into our Okay, I do the
same thing. That's you're kind oflike, yeah, yeah, you're kind
of like, okay, maybe i'llfeel like this today. This is the

(01:19:00):
Yeah, like you know, atleast do that a lot. Like you
have different angles, like sometimes you'relike really far away, yes, other
times you're super close. Yeah,it's depending on because I jack it where
I'm such an does well. Shedoesn't check is to make sure she's wearing
pants before she got to walk.Minor minor thing. Did you hear that

(01:19:24):
story? Shereees? Did you hearwhat I know? Let's let's share it
with let's share it with the class. Okay, it's it's story time with
Lupolia. So um, we're recordingseats. Yea, yeah, it was
not this week. It was theweek before about Milo, about Milo in
Annapolis and there's in the summer.Lately, it's been very high my house,

(01:19:48):
so I have not I'm wearing pants, and I don't have on pants
today either. But I also havea big deal, right right, No
big deal I have You can't.No, I don't know I have pants
on. You only know that becauseI just told you that. However,
I had to get up. Now. Keep in mind that we record teat
with Andrew J. Mounts, GregSterner, who wrote a book, and

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Jeffrey Francis Burg the three males here, and Abbe Sterner was on the show
too, so there were lots ofpeople, and typical Leah was often a
loophole thinking about something else. AndI stood up to pee and everybody could
see my underwear, like everybody sawit epcular, But I don't record it.

(01:20:40):
I just Leah knew at that moment. I didn't until I sat down,
until Wags texted me, what didyou say? Oh? Wags texted
me. It was like j pantson question Mark question Mark I the screen,
I was like, and then Icould see her come back in from
the little box of the bottom.It was like, I'm not wearing pants.
Yeah, And her underpants were likewhite or like a beige color.

(01:21:02):
They were like a nude like boyshort even wearing Oh no, And I
was like yeah. And then Mouthstexted me, He's like, is Leah
wearing pants? No? But thenshe's wearing underwear. We don't have to
edit out the couchie. We're good. And then she got back up again.

(01:21:24):
I was like, Leah, soI get back up again after I
know that you can clearly see myass and my genitalia my underwear. Um,
I completely forgot again and I stoodup. But Wags is you know,
the best of the best. Shealways got a bitch's back, and

(01:21:45):
she was intelligent enough to do.As soon as she saw me start to
get up, she turned off mycancer what are you before me? And
then when I came back, sheturned it back on once I was sitting.
So thank you for that, Wags. You're You're very welcome, my
god. So that's the story ofmy life. Leo doesn't wear pants,
and sometimes people see it. Iwonder if Sterner saw it. We're still

(01:22:08):
not sure. So we know Jeffcaught it. You know Mounts caught it
because she texted Amanda. I justthink Sterner's too much of a like gentleman
to mention, probably yeah, yeah, you probably did. He's such a
gentleman, he wouldn't. You won'teven tell me. But if you did.

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I apologize, guys. I apologizefor everyone having to look at my
my mom bod after three kids andalmost forty I apologize. I was like,
you could at least what I'm like, sexy underpants, give us a
show, Like, yeah, yeah, I like how that was your thought,
Leah. It was just like,well, I'm sorry it wasn't hotter,

(01:22:51):
guys, like, well, wagsaid it. She was like,
it wasn't even like she was Ryan. She had on some kind of nude
color colored brandy like turn so youcan see like you can clearly see her
butt. And she was like,how do you not? Like, how

(01:23:14):
do you know? And then Iwas like, maybe her shirt is actually
a dress and it is tucked init just oh god, nope, nope,
I just showed up my lady bitseverybody. So that's fine. Yeah,
it'll be in a blooper reel atsome point Teresa's cat and me and
my underwear somewhere just got throwing upfor fifteen minutes and he didn't do it

(01:23:38):
again. Guys, She says thatthe only time which that the cat throws
up is when she's recording and hehas to do it in her studio.
And the only time I see thatcat is when I'm recording, and he's
always in your grill. You alwaysjumping up in your grill. He was,
did you guys see him a littlebit ago? He was snuggling under

(01:24:00):
my chinwhere But it's it's the funniestthing. And we were we were doing
a table read and it was hertime. She's like, oh, I'm
sorry. My cat doesn't only decidesto throw up. He did it again
myself because he was throwing up,and then I realized it was my line.

(01:24:20):
Maybe maybe um, we just takethe mash up of the cat puking
and Leah just with some kind oflike goofy like do out. Oh my
god, we've completely we've completely goneoff. So let's get let's get to

(01:24:44):
plugs. Um. So we andby we I mean me, Um,
it's late, I've lost my mind. So I came across when I was
doing some you can come backstories whenI was doing some research, and I
came up cross this organization called theTrevor Project, and basically what it is

(01:25:04):
is it's an organization for LGBTQ youth. Yes, it's suicide prevention, but
however they also have a lot ofother programs within that program. So they
do like basically classes on how tobe an ally, how to for adults

(01:25:26):
to you know, be supportive orto understand or tom and I can't think
of the exact word, but basicallyit's like a first response. So it
and they do that with like thejust the I don't want to say basic,
but the traditional well known suicide preventionorganizations do something similar for for just

(01:25:48):
adults and children, and they teachyou things to look for and how to
work through that. So then Isaw that our wonderful Sharifs is doing something
with that. So can you sharewhat you've pledged to do in support of
the Trevor Project. Yes, ma'am, I actually just decided this this past

(01:26:11):
week, but I will be donatingten percent of all profits from the Existential
Ginger anything to the Trevor Project atthe end of this year. So ten
percent of everything earned this year.Yeah, I mean, I think it's
I'm calling it like my anti tithingbecause I paid ten percent of my gross

(01:26:35):
income to the Mormon Church for twentyyears of my life. Oh my god.
Yeah, it makes me sick thinkingabout it, honestly, but they
seriously think about that for a minute. Oh it's disgusting. How much money
would that be? Do you thinkapproximately? Like, are we talking like

(01:26:57):
two hundred thousand dollars you think?Or probably? Oh my god, it
makes me sick. And because theMormon Church actively uh uses tithing money to
fight LGBTQ plus legislation and rites andlaws. Um yeah, I mean I

(01:27:17):
can't get that money back, soI'm trying to what a great way to
do it. That's so great toyou. I love that you're such a
good person. You do not belongwith us. Yeah, I was going
to suggest that, Um, youknow, Lee and I don't make profit
at this point. Um, butbut I would like I think that we

(01:27:39):
could. We could whatever you make. I think that we between the two
of us, that we can matchand and do that as well. Because
I think it's especially as someone thatdiscovered that they were, um bisexual later
in life, knowing that I feltthe way I feel now when I was

(01:28:00):
younger, and how it was veryconfusing and very overwhelming, and I didn't
have some mental health issues I havenow, But I can't imagine being myself
in a time where there's just somuch like there's just so much chaos and
sadness and the amount of youth thatare losing their lives because people simply don't

(01:28:27):
understand or they don't take the timeto educate themselves. It's not it's not
there. It's not the child's responsibilityto educate the adult. And that's what
I think is one of the bestthings about this organization are the opportunities for
adults yea and even peers to learnwhat you can do. And they do

(01:28:51):
another thing they do, which youknow, the topic for another day.
You know, parents who can't accepttheir gay kids. But there's also you
know, ideally, I would liketo think if one of my kids is

(01:29:12):
um lbgt Q plus, I wouldbe a champion for them and be one
hundred percent supportive and handle everything perfectly. That is fucking impossible. And we
all know that even the greatest parentin the world is going to do something
that's going to wind up with theirkid being in therapy at thirty, like

(01:29:32):
we all know it, right,so and something this crucial and huge a
child's sexuality, who they are sexuallyis a big deal, right, Like
to anybody it is such an it'snot it doesn't define who we are,
but it's it's a big part ofyou know, our happiness. It's a
pleasure principle. Right, it's abig deal your gender identity, like right,

(01:30:00):
not right, not feeling like youare meant to be in the like
I it breaks my heart to knowthat people, not that people have like,
not that people transition or anything likethat, but they but there's so
many people that never have that opportunityto feel loved, yes, who they
are like that or it's so sad, but it's also like you know what

(01:30:26):
the Trevor the Trevor Project does,which I think is is beautiful, is
they have counseling for friends, friendsand family members of especially youth. Like
I said, the most accepting andloving parent is going to do something wrong
at some point. And I thinkfamily therapy is very I think everybody should

(01:30:48):
do it, you know, justget a check up, see how you're
doing. I think it's great andum, but they do it for this
and it's specifically geared towards just toteach parents and trying to get them to
you know, try and because youcan't relate if you're straight, you don't
know, right, So I thinkthat's such a beautiful thing. And you

(01:31:11):
know, brabot to the parents thathave to go to that, that choose
to go to that because you knowyou're you're trying. And then they also
have programs for the kids whose parentsaren't trying and who do turn on them
and I can't imagine. Yeah,I can't imagine how that is. So
yeah, check them out definitely,And I love this idea. I will

(01:31:35):
definitely go dollar to dollar with youand we'll look into this. I am
not positive, but mark this down, Wags, you're the EP. Maybe
we can put a couple merch itemsout and we will donate you know,

(01:31:56):
like three separate things, and theproceeds for that will go we can even
I don't know see how much ofa percentage, if not all of it,
we can donate to that too.I think that would be cool,
and then our listeners you know,buy it and you know the money's going
to a good place. Um,but we should look into that. I

(01:32:17):
think that would be cool. Ilike that for sure, for sure.
Beautiful idea series. What else wegs. Honestly, that's it. No plugs,
she was none. Just expect theunexpected. Yep. I you know,
we have a lot going on.There's just a lot going along across

(01:32:38):
the board. We are definitely goingto start at least we've already said it
today. Do some reviews. Wementioned The Walking Dead, the Handmaids Tale,
and I would law that there's anyoneout there listening that is a big
fan of one of those shows,or there's a show that you really like
that you think that we should watch. I'm a like, like I'm I'm

(01:33:00):
a vaccinated American, but I stilldon't like people, so I still prefer
to be old vaccinated American vaccine bragger. Such a vat bragger. Jesus you
have two, I like one.Yeah. Well, I'm still on the
uptake. Um, Um, listento tit tomorrow. I think it actually

(01:33:28):
turned out to be a really interestingepisode. It's about it's about our fears,
um, but not just like myfear flying, not that kind of
thing, like our fear for future, for the world, you know,
that kind of deeply heavy impact stuff. Um. Find out what Mine and

(01:33:49):
Sterners are and ironically they're actually prettyclose. I think closer than most people
would suspect if you know our politicalviews. So yeah, it's some one
on the back end of that,Yeah, producing it. It's a very
intense and interestingly enough. Yeah,like Sterner and I are, our fears

(01:34:11):
are almost identical. But we stillgot into a pretty heated argument where I
called him a misogynist. So Iget I said what he said was misogynistic.
The most misogynistic thing I've ever heard, actually is what I said.
Um but and I don't mean that, Sterner, You're not a misogynist.
I want you to know that.Um But, yeah, it gets heated,

(01:34:34):
so tune in. It was.It was interesting and other than that,
I think that's our show. Folkschoose violence little doves, but not
about people's kids.