Whiskey, Women and Mayhem

In true MaM fashion we are few weeks late putting out this episode. We are honored to welcome country music artist, Maddie Rean to our show. We talk about everything from being openly gay in country music, how Covid impacted her career, mental health, some behind the scenes of American Idol and so much more. When we say you don’t want to miss this episode, listen.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Mom's in Mayhem. It'smedia. I'm here with my girl Wags,

(00:42):
here to fuck your day up fuckingly, got it right? Yeah,
I probably did it. It onlytook ten years. That's it only took
since December began the Shan's work orJanuary because we were back, so it
was January. Whatever the fuck.So you are listening to this on Monday,

(01:06):
July something. I'm not sure whattoday is. Um is today the
fifth? I think of July.Today is July fifth? It is today
is July fifth, and um Waxand I are at the beach. You're
not with us, and we're verysad. No, we're not. But
we are at the beach right now. I mean not right now, because

(01:30):
we're recording it the monday before thebeach. But as you're hearing this,
we are in the Outer Banks ina house and we just did a seven
hour drive with eight children in thevan. There's only six kids unless we're
counting ourselves. We are counting ourselves. We ask questionable math. I'm not

(01:56):
good at math. I'm not goodat math. Okay, I'm sorry.
Seven children, Wags. We didthe right with she bought the responsible one.
Yeah. So that that's going tobe exciting. We will have to
make sure that we play this veryloud when we're sitting out by the ocean,
so all of the innocent bystanders canlisten. Yeah, and uh,

(02:22):
you should check out our social mediabecause maybe we're doing something super fucking cool
right now and you can watch itand you could talk to us, because
maybe we'll go live from the beachright now. Well not right now,
because you're listening to the show,So maybe like in an hour, we'll
be live. Check your check yourInstagram, you can talk to us.
It'll be great. We'll probably losea phone, lose a kid in the

(02:45):
ocean, I mean the we're we'llcheck in with you. Yeah, keep
keep an eye. We have somesome special tricks up our sleeves because it's
not a vacation, not only avacation, but our first way on my
stuff, our first vacation together,whatever. So there's bound to be something

(03:07):
that happens that we will need toshare. And I think we're going to
be seven solid days of is thisreally my life? I agree, not
really so much for you and Ibecause that is our fucking lives. But
also staying in the house with usare Jeff and Greg Sterner and his lovely

(03:30):
wife Abby. So I am surethey are all like what is happening right
now, right now, like thatthat is their life right now. So
I apologize to all of you forhaving to life with Wags and I for
a week. Not only us,but our children. Yeah, our children.

(03:50):
Yeah. I feel like vacation isthe one time and we've talked about
this, but vacation is the onetime where, like when moms go on
vacation, we're not really on vacation, we're just parenting in a different location.
But I kind of like I setsome very basic ground rules just to
make sure everyone comes home alive andnot injured and that things that aren't going

(04:11):
to make my life a hell,so I can enjoy myself. But I
kind of let all of the normalrules that I would have at home out
the window, Like eat whatever youwant, I'll bring the pepto um,
you know, don't hurt anyone intentionally. But yeah, like I don't want
to spend my time telling my children, no, don't do that. I

(04:35):
enjoy enjoy yourself. And our kidsare good, you know, they're excited,
They're very excited and Abby and Gregare bringing um they're they're one of
their sons with them, so they'regoing to have a lot of fun and
they all have someone to hang outwith and and it was so the ages

(04:56):
are perfect. Jake and Nina andGigi are all about the same age.
Charlie's a little bit younger. Umshe's six, but she's only a year
younger than Jack and Enzo. Andthen there's Brandon who is just going to
be babied and a walking doll thewhole week. So I'm I'm like,

(05:17):
go find your new mama. Idon't care who it is, like whateveryone.
Yeah, it's usually go ahead.Yeah, we all know, we've
we've been taking bets all week onhow long it takes for all of the
children in the house to fall headover heels in love with Uncle Pooky and

(05:38):
just torture him by wanting to bewith him all week long, Like yes,
it's Monday, I guarantee you it'sall seven of them are somewhere trying
to get him to do something hedoesn't want to do. Right now,
he's having story time, story timewith Uncle Pooky, And the fun thing
is like with I've always wanted todo like a fray emlie vacation, Like

(06:03):
even when I was a kid,that's all it. Like, I wanted
that kind of because my cousins werealways older than me, and my kids
don't really have cousins either because they'reso much older. So it's so great
to have somebody that you want todo that with and who not only do
like I like Wags enough to spenda week with her, but I actually
like her kids, which is rareto find. So yes, yeah,

(06:26):
it's it's great. And the otherthing too, is like when you go
on vacation with kids, from myexperience as a family with like your spouse
or significant other, you need avacation from that vacation because it's it's so
much worse, like you said,like rules kind of go out the window,
right, And also like you wantthem to have fun, you're trying

(06:46):
to keep them busy, and youcan't really have fun because like the whole
goal is like get up, dofun stuff all day and make them tired
so you can relax at the endof the day, which ever happens because
you're so fucking tired from trying towear out your kids all day. That
you're just like, fuck it,I'm going to sleep right. So,
um, what's great about this isthere are you know, five adults staying

(07:13):
in one house. So yes,the children do outnumber us, but it's
not like they're at great ages,um, where they're kind of they can
fend for themselves. Even even Brandona little bit. Yeah, well he
is potty trained, not really wherehe was coming on vacation, he has
potty trained. I I mean,I still have to wipe this butt full
disclosure, um, but you know, yeah, and what you said is

(07:38):
absolutely true, Like there's I trustyou obviously with my children, but I
trust the other people that were withthat. Like we can have that like
free range parenting where everyone can justyou know, someone somewhere exactly like hey,
can I have a juice box here? You yeah, like at the

(07:59):
beach. So the way that itworked out, it just so happened that
Jeff's family is at their house theweek we're going to be there, So
his sisters and they have kids,which is great, older kids, our
oldest kids ages, and we're allgonna be like there's like a beach setup

(08:20):
thing, so we're all gonna kindof be together. So we're talking.
There's the five of us, butthere's also other adults that like, I'm
not asking anyone to babysit my kid, you know, but if if my
back's turned and Brandon runs to theocean, you know, it's one of
jeff sisters is gonna grab him,you know what I mean. And it's

(08:41):
kind of cool to have that thatvillage. I guess to make the vacation
a little less stressful, I think, And I will tell you right now,
if Leah runs to the ocean,I'm not running after her. No,
now, you're gonna let me go. You're gonna let me wandering into
the ocean by myself. I promise, I will. I will come save

(09:03):
you. Um, it's my lastsummer with my built in Booey's, so
I will keep you up breast withmy breast. No pun intended, no,
all the pun intended a totally.So we we are right now,
likely said recording it the week before, so we're doing a lot of prep

(09:24):
work and getting ourselves together. Sodefinitely check out our our social media this
week, and um, we havesome really fun stuff planned for social media,
so you want to be checking itout if you haven't been already.
Um, we have, we havea whole series planned. Yeah, there

(09:45):
may be matching some things in thewording. Um. Yeah. So I'm
I'm just very excited just just togo somewhere. And I've never been to
the Outer Banks. I've been toNorth Caro Lina, I've driven through,
but we I've never been me neither. I've never been to I've never been
to the outer Banks, and Enzohas never He was six months old the

(10:09):
last time we went to the beach, so it's super exciting. This is
his first time really seeing the ocean. So it's kind of cool that like
he gets to do that with somany people there. It's just yeah,
and it's it's it's just so nicewhen you when your friends have kids.
Yeah, and everyone just kind ofgets long. And I'm sure there's going
to be times like throughout the weekwhere we're separating children and be like just

(10:33):
chill the fuck out. For themost part, I mean, I think
it's gonna be great. I thinkit's I think we're having a lot of
fun and you all should be jealousof us right now. You know,
we have a guest today. Sothe intro, Yes, this intro is
not going to be very long.We have a guest to Her name is
Maddie Wren and she is an upand coming country singer and that Wag spound

(10:58):
on TikTok fabulous guys like, sheis so talented and you'll hear a little
bit more about it. But she'sa lesbian and openly gay and engage to
her lovely fiance fiance, Chelsea.And she does parodies of country songs and

(11:22):
where her fans will say, makethis gay, and they'll send her a
song and she makes it gay.It is so cool. So we're gonna
play some of that for you too, And when we come back, when
we go out to break, andwhen we come back from break, you're
going to get to hear one ofher original songs called Whiskey and Women,
the beautiful song. Just great fun, it's it's so great, you're gonna

(11:43):
love her. But really quick beforewe go into the interview. Yesterday,
Wags and I were having a reallyinteresting discussion and I just wanted to bring
this up quick. So we aregoing to the beach. We are going
on vacation, and Wags had mentionedthat she's getting a breast production in September.

(12:03):
So um, she doesn't like,you don't want to spend a fortune
on bathing suits because you're not gonnafin them any air, right, Like
exactly, I buy swim suits nowto fit my boobs, not the rest
of my body, so it's right, right, But even you don't want
to waste a ton of money onyour boobs. No, no, I
mean I'm not this. This isit. This is the last And anyone

(12:26):
that has, in my opinion,larger than a d cup struggles with that,
like just finding anything that's comfortable andsupportive. And you're not gonna have
to have your best friend tuck yourtit in because its drifting out the bottom,
which happened to Wags by the way, And I wasn't there to tuck

(12:48):
her titties in. No, soshe had to get a new top.
And it is this fabulous fucking pink. It's my favorite pink. And I
was telling her, like, Ican't pull it off for it looks we
not me for some reason, butit looks so good on her. But
there's like slits in the middle,and it's like sexy and frilly and really
girly and pretty. And the firstthing was like, does this look appropriate

(13:11):
on me. So that's one partI want to talk about, like the
whole like bathing suit fear and too. You mentioned that the bigger the size,
the less options you have for likepatterns or colors or whatever, and

(13:33):
it's usually just what did you say, like leopard print and zebra print and
like animal print right, animal printblack, or like weird patterns like astec
and I love weird shit like tedLike I love all of that, but
there's something about swimsuits that look likeI'm thirty four. I don't want to

(13:56):
be matronly like in yeah, printthings, that is the thing. What
is it with that? Like II when I was young, I was
always an extra small. I wasa size zero, you know, and
then I had kids and that changesand your body changes as you get older,
right, Like I was also likea little bit igy skinny, But

(14:18):
so I've been in like from extrasmall to large and it is so the
bigger the size, the less optionsyou have. And I don't understand that
concept, Like why when are designersgoing to get on the same page as
I don't know humanity and realize thatlike women want to look sexy and pretty

(14:43):
at every size and bullshit that likethe world tells us that we can't.
I just that was just something thatjust really bothered me because like you were
looking for days to find a bathingsuit that you not only would fit you,
but that you liked and it sucks. Yeah. Yeah, and there,

(15:05):
I mean, there are plenty ofplus size stores available, particularly primarily
online, and then what you endup having to do is just buy a
bunch of stuff and then you know, like if you find like I like
Sheen. They don't have the bestquality, but they have a lot of

(15:26):
really cute things, and they carryplus sizes that are like I bought a
crop top from them and it looksgreat, Thank you. But like,
so their options are there, they'rejust not accessible, right. Not only
they not accessible, they're not necessarilyalways affordable. So the swimsuit Leah is
talking about, I got on Amazonand I just had to read all the

(15:52):
reviews, look at all the pictures. I'm like, this woman's body looks
most like mine. What size,right, guys, what's size does she
get? But yeah, it's likeit's really frustrating to like it's there's a
difference like when you're a plus sizethat doesn't necessarily mean you have big boobs.
I have huge boobs, So Icould walk into a store and buy

(16:15):
bottoms from the regular missus section easily, right, I can't do that with
my boobs unless I want them out. I don't care if they're out.
I'm believe it or not a littlebit more modest, And I'm my boobs
make me very uncomfortable because they areso large, and they've been so large
since I can remember, so I'mnot I'm not comfortable. That's one of

(16:37):
the reasons I'm getting a breast reduction. But it's also like I don't want
to feel like I can't chase aftermy four year old at a water park
without you know, whipping a titout, or just to lay there and
be comfortable. And it's just likeit's clean, and I'm, you know,

(17:00):
really looking forward to not having togo through that. But I imagine,
like, even if you know I'vebeen losing weight, I plan on
hopefully being able to lose a littlebit more. But even if I don't,
or even if I do, I'mstill not going to be small enough
that I can just where wear whatever'sin the store, Like I'm gonna have
to order it, yeah, tofit into it. Yeah, And that's

(17:22):
just so like, first of all, these sizes are ridiculous, Like if
you're like Nina's twelve, right,so she wears like an extra small adult,
why not just make it like anextra large's kids? Like it's stupid.
No, Like adults shouldn't be thatskinny. You just shouldn't one and
two. Most of them aren't,so like stores need to start catching up

(17:45):
with that. It's bullshit. Andif you're gonna make something in an extra
small, make it in a fuckingyou know, two x two, Like
I don't understand. It's so fuckingstupid. Yeah, and then the appropriate
thing, Like I have this onepiece and it dips really low, so
like it's a one piece that itlike sucks in my stomach, but like

(18:07):
it shows like the sides of mytub SoC titties. So I'm kind of
like, is this appropriate to wear? Because like I'm almost forty, and
I feel like I want to lookus or like I'm okay with the way
I look in it, but ifeverybody else going to be okay with the
way I look in it, andI hate that that bothers me. Do

(18:29):
you, like, you know whatI mean, like, why do I
fucking care? Yeah, like youdon't care. You don't care what other
people perceive you as, Like youdon't like You're like I really like how
I look. I liked how Ilook to my swimsuit. But then I'm
also like, I want to beable to enjoy myself without worrying about like
people staring at me or like whatare you doing? Or I'm always like

(18:55):
is somebody going to take a pictureof me and post it? Like I'm
comfortable with myself, but at thesame time, like I'm human. I
don't want someone to be talking shiton me because I feel confident and comfortable
and what I'm wearing and what I'mwearing and my body where it's at now
Right, you're comfortable in your ownskin, Yeah, like you you may

(19:15):
see something that you don't necessarily like. But I'm also not going to buy
a swimsuit that goes up to myneck. I don't like it. I
don't like that feeling. And ifyou see a little titty, you're welcome.
So I actually do have a bathingsuit that goes up to my neck.
Surprise, surprise, it does havelike an open a little bit of

(19:36):
an opening in the in the stomach, but the rest of it is all
like it's almost like a like awet suit. And I love it.
It's like my favorite bathing suit.But I feel like you my breast are
so large to wear. The momentthat I put it on, it's just
like, yeah, I think,I'm yeah, Like it's not. And
it's not like I need a widestrap. I need a double buckle.

(20:02):
Yeah, and I may need somemoob tape depending on what kind of water
activity we're doing. That's all I'msaying. So this is a warning to
everyone that we're on vacation with Nowyou may see some titty putting my titty
back in or Leah's tucking it intomy bottoms. Deal with it, deal
with it, or you're welcome.It depends on which way you look at

(20:23):
it. Exactly. You're gonna seea little bit of like side tit a
couple of days while I'm there becauseI like that bathing suit. So either
I'm sorry or you're welcome. That'sjust the way it's gonna be. We
need sure to say that, andwe need more women to agree with us.
And don't who cares if you're comfortablein your bathing suit. Don't don't

(20:45):
look for reassurance, you don't eatit. You're beautiful no matter what size
you are. And on that note, we are going to take a really
really quick break and we are goingto be back with Amanda Wax's interview with
Mattie wren m. Listen, welcomeback to Mom's and mayhem Um. That

(21:52):
music you just heard was the beautifulMaddie Brenn, who is actually here with
us today. We are honored tosit down with the legit musician. Hi,
Mattie, how are you. I'mgood good. Thank you so much.
So Wags reached out to you.She found you on TikTok, which
we will play the TikTok because itis incredible, and you agreed to sit

(22:17):
down with us. So first,thank you so much. It's an honor
to sit down with you. AndWags has some she's a huge country music
fan. I am just I'm anovice. I'm going to say with country
music, I'm very particular, butI really love the way you do it.
I do. I love the wayyou do it. And you have

(22:38):
so many interesting qualities, and Ithink one is your sexuality. The fact
that you are in you know,the lbgt Q plus and that's not common
really, I don't think as muchas that you at least it's probably more
so now, but in the countrymusic industry. So we have a ton

(23:00):
of questions for you. So wags, I'm gonna let you take it over,
Okay, So I'm fangirling a littlebit. It doesn't happen often.
I brushed my hair. We'll probablyput some videos out, but like you
know, mind over matter kind ofthing. So Leah was right. I
am one of those people, andI think a lot of our listeners are

(23:21):
the same where you just start likescrolling through TikTok because you just need like
a break, and sometimes it's verymindless. But I will say I've learned
so much about myself, Like Igot diagnosed with ADHD because of TikTok,
like I went through It's true,I know, but it sounds so I
can totally understand. I can reallyyeah, leaning hacks and everything. But
then you also come across incredibly talentedpeople like yourself who are just kind of

(23:47):
using this platform just as like anotherway to kind of get your name out
there, to share you know,your story and how people can get in
touch with you and I love thatso much. So before we get started,
I have to share the video ofthe TikTok that I was like,
Oh my gosh, who is thiswoman? Like this is incredibly funny because
I'm a country music fan. Assoon as I saw the little tagline like

(24:12):
okay, do this, but makeit gay, I was like, I'm
in, like what is this?And then you started thinking. I was
like, this is everything. SoI'm going to pull this up right now
and play this for our listeners becauseit's real quick, but it's so good.

(24:33):
Oh, man, don't mind Gibsonin the background, my dog,
Oh, we won't mind him.Her friends, you'll do it all.
When it comes to settings, there'sall kinds of times and Katie singles she

(24:56):
just don't care. She'll say TommyDanny where she's a low wao, She's
a low wao. And even ifthe batteries die with the guy, I

(25:19):
mean all. I love that somuch. I was sold. That was
that. I was done. Thatwas so creative. I was like,
Okay, I need more. Sothen I'm like aimlessly stalking your TikTok.
I'm like, oh she has Instagram. Oh there's YouTube I'm like, Okay,
we got to slow down. AndI was like, this is so
so before we go into that,because it's it's fresh in my mind when

(25:41):
you come up with these like youknow, little takes on on very famous
songs, like how long does ittake you to like come up with the
words, because that would have takenme like a year to even try to
get it and to make it soclever got on. I can't take sent
credit for all of them because Ihave, like my fiance and my friends

(26:03):
help me sometimes um or they'll throwa line at me, like also the
fans, like the fans will sendme um messages or comments on post and
say. It kind of started whenI posted Whiskey, Whiskey and Women and
then on it and they were like, please make this for us or make
this gay or whatever, and sothat's kind of how it started. And

(26:26):
with that particular song, I wasin the car with my guitar player BoJack,
who helped write Whiskey and Women withme and uh me and Chelsea,
my fiance actually talked about it beforeand I'll dude me and Chelsea was something
doing she's in love with the girlinstead of the boy, and he was
like, dude, says she.I was talking to my guitar player,

(26:48):
BoJack, and I said, dude, me and Chelsea said, we're gonna
do she's in love with the girl. And he was like, you know,
it would be funny if you sayshe's in love with the toy.
And I was like, wow,good and great. We um we were
then I that was probably about aweek or two before I messed with it.
And then me and Chelsea were eatinguh dinner somewhere and we got back

(27:11):
in the car and I was like, check this out, like and we
started joking around with it and wekind of just like freestyled and I was
like, and even if the batteriesdie, I should never be with a
guy. And I was like,yes, I was. And then that

(27:32):
was kind of how it went,and I made I actually made the first
video of it in the car whenwe left dinner at that moment. And
I really did it because I washaving a wardrobe malfunction. Something in my
shirt or something had something on it. I think it was food. Yeah,
you don't have you have like spaghettion your T shirt. That's how

(27:57):
I would go too. And um, A lot of people were like well
there's the rechargeable kind. And I'mlike, yeah, I know, it's
just okay, we're taking it backto you know, for sure year would
in her in her prime, wethere weren't rechargeable batteries then. Exactly,
yeah, exactly. So that's funny. We've already started the conversation. I

(28:25):
mean, where do we go fromhere? So let's let's kind of go
back to how you got started singingand kind of how like you've started pursuing
your dream and I mean you're makingshit happen, which is pretty incredible.
Well, thank you. I'm I'mtrying. I mean, I feel like

(28:48):
it's a whole the world on TikTokUm. I'll be I'm just Maddie,
you know, I'm I'm from I'mfrom Little Poum, South Carolina, And
when I get on TikTok I feellike I'm Maddie rin like I'm um.
People made me feel feel really goodand they also made me feel like,
um, I could be myself,which I could be myself in real life

(29:10):
too, and I have been fora long time. I came out when
I was fourteen, wow, andI'm twenty nine now. But it's different
coming out in country music than comingout in real life, you know,
and we See Women was like mycoming out song and music. And I've
been very fortunate to have amazing familyand friends. Go ahead, keep going.

(29:33):
I just wanted we could do itlater, but I wanted to circle
back to have you elaborate a littlebit on what you meant by Um,
it's different coming out in your reallife than it was coming out in country
music. How how does it differ? I got you, Um, I
mean they're kind of the same,but I don't know. Let's see,

(29:56):
so coming out, you know,just in general, I was a kid
and I honestly just just came homewith day. I was like, Mom,
Dad, I'm I like a girl. And they they didn't really know
how to how to handle that,being in the South, you know,
like we're raised totally different than alot of other places. And um,

(30:21):
you know, it did to atime, and but they they were you
know, they never kicked me out. They never they never um hated me.
They they just didn't know how tonecessarily deal with it. But now
we're great, Like my mom anddad are amazing and like I remember,
yeah, thank you. Um,they're they're they're awesome about it and they

(30:44):
love they love Chelsea. Um,which who doesn't. She's awesome. No,
but yeah, yeah, you gotto talk to her. She she
is pretty, She is pretty great, and she's your manager, which is
we all know that she's the boss. We all agreed when we had our
little pre show conversation and we're like, so pretty much Chelsea. Yeah so

(31:04):
when my when my band watches this, they're gonna be like yeah, yeah.
So I guess. I guess whatis different or different about coming out
in the country music is I neverreally I never I never said I wasn't
gay, But then again, Iwould never be like, hey, I'm

(31:26):
Maddie and I'm lesbian, like I'myou know, um it just I just
was myself on stage without mentioning thatfactor. Um but I but it it
is strange when you sing like RedkneckWoman and you say my man and before
he cheats and you say he andand it does. It is weird to

(31:47):
do that for you, I imagine, Yeah, you're just being there.
Yeah, it's it is weird,Like people don't think that that's the thing,
but it is. Uh So that'skind of where the parodies came from
too is it's really cool to beable to change those that fit me and
anybody like me or whatever. Anduh, but there's no there's no country

(32:10):
songs on the radio about the samesex liking each like, you know,
loving each other. I want tobe together or whatever, breaking up,
loving fighting, whatever, not oncountry radio. Um now, And if
it is, it's not obvious orit's in a different way, you know
what I mean. Like, So, when I've always I've always wanted to

(32:36):
write a song like this, Andwhen I wrote Whiskey Women, I wanted
it to be like that. Iwant. I know that you can you
can have songs that can have allkinds of different messages, but you know
they what they mean or whatever.But I wanted to write something that was
obvious. I wanted it to belike, look, we're not we're not
gonna we're not gonna go out.We might go out and being wing man

(32:58):
together or whatever, wan woman,whatever, but we're not gonna we're not
gonna end up going home together.Like I wanted to write a song like
that. And my goal in life, I don't even care if I don't
do anything anymore in my career.My goal in life is to get this
song on the radio, like likegoing big, and I think TikTok really

(33:21):
is helping me do that. Imean that's how I met y'all, and
um, it's been really awesome.So I guess the difference between those two
is, UM, I don't know. That's a cool question. I never
thought about that, Stump. Yeah, that's a good question. I'm sorry.
I think what you said about likeRedneck Woman and all those songs,

(33:44):
there's all these songs out there thatthey're incredible song they're buy incredible artists and
songwriters, but they don't necessarily speakto everyone. And I think that's why
a lot of times country music asa whole turns people off because they can't
they think, oh, they thinkbig pickup trucks and out fishing and those
kind of things, so they don'thave they don't hear that, so they

(34:07):
don't have anything to relate to.And I know me personally, I can
listen to a song just because Ireally like it, but I'm more I'm
more prone to listen to a songthat I can have some you know,
comparison to, that I can relateto in some sort of way. Then
I'm like Okay, I really lovethis song because I can think about this
in my life where I can thinkabout that experience, and I think a

(34:27):
lot of times in country music it'sit's hard. And you can see that
with artists that are out there nowthat you kind of like, you know,
they want to do more, butthey're kind of stuck in this bubble
that's been made for them. AndI think yourself and artists to come like
yourself, that's going to be socrucial and changing because if you think that

(34:50):
there are not gay people in countrymusic, fandoms, right, you're crazy.
Like everyone wants that song and theycan be like yes, like yeah,
we'll go out and we'll set atthe bar and we will you know,
drink our whiskey, but we're bothprobably gonna be picking up the same
woman, right, you know whatI mean? I love that and and

(35:12):
you know it's yeah, it's notjust country music. I mean, look
at somebody like Elton John who's gayfor you, or or even Freddie Mercury
from Queen both gay and singing songsabout women, right, I mean,
God miss him. Um. Butevery song, like one of my favorite

(35:34):
songs is ever is I guess that'swhy they call it the Blues by Elton
John. And he's he has tosay like girl in it, which is
so sad like he it's not writtenabout a girl. He's not under the
covers, you know, he's andhe's in, he's in. He's a
gay man like he's. Yeah,that's that's there's your there's answers your question
right there. What you're talking aboutthe difference of coming out in life?

(35:55):
And and he's it's man, it'scrazy. Yeah. And I think it's
so brave and admirable of you towrite a song like Whiskey and Women that
is so blatantly in your face aboutyou and who you are in a reality
because there's not enough music like that. So bravo to you for trying.

(36:16):
And I'm with you. We gottaget this on radio because it's a great
song. Really is bravo. Thankyou. I'm down now. Yeah,
what what you got? What yougot? All right? So let me
pull up my list here. No, I I kind of want to go

(36:38):
and talk about like what you're doingnow because I saw that you, you
know, you're still doing concerts,are still getting yourself out there. I
did look up tickets to come toSouth Carolina from Pennsylvania and they're a little
bit pricey now, so we canfind somewhere in the middle. Like we're
totally there and if we weren't goingon vacation next week, and are you

(37:00):
so different? But like what areyour plans? Like do you do you
plan on kind of branching out fromfrom South Carolina and surrounding areas, Like
what is that plan? I honestlyam looking for some type of Uh.
I'm really looking for somebody that theywants to help me and believes in me

(37:20):
and my team and wants to goout and book book for me. I
mean I have I have UM,I have a little bit of UM help
from um friends of mine and alabel like my I'm signed to a small
label and he's actually one of mygood friends, and uh, he does
a lot for me. He's basicallyhelping me get my album done. UM.

(37:46):
But on the booking part and gettingout play, I don't I'm I'm
just doing what I can. Iwould love to. I would love to
come and travel and play everywhere.That's what I want to do. I
want to get my album done andI want to go anywhere. I'd love
to go play it all the Pride. I love to go play in the
hockey times. I want to playeverywhere. You know, Yes, yes,

(38:07):
that's what I was. I wastelling Leah Um in Philadelphia, like,
that's our closest Pride And usually theydo it in June, like like
most other Pride parades and events,but because of COVID, they kind of
pushed it back to September, andI was like, how can we get
Maddie and Chelsea up here and thewhole band for September to play Philly Pride.
I'm like, who do we know? Like what connections can we make

(38:29):
out? Because again, I justfeel like you as a person, just
from knowing you this short amount oftime and watching your interactions, like the
world needs more people like you,not only talented people, but genuinely good
people who just want to play music, have a good time, and maybe
make some difference in life along theway. So I think, I think

(38:52):
that's great, but yeah, itis really I mean not yeah, not
that we are singers or anything,but even growing our podcast, a lot
of times, you know, youreach out to your circle and then you
kind of branch out from there,but you need people and you need people
that want to support you and toput who you are in front of a

(39:14):
new crowd. And that isn't alwaysthe easiest thing. Even if you took
the financial aspect away, it's notalways easy to kind of put yourself in
those places. Yeah, I've beentrying to get into KLA Pride here for
like three or four years, andthat's like one of my goals. And
one of my best friends used toown a gay bar here and my band

(39:36):
would play there all the time.And and all the guys in my band
are straight men, but they're complete, like they're oh that's awesome, Like
like we got shirts made and theyhad shirts are like I'm straight, but
I no hate or whatever you like. I love that they've been really good
dudes. And Um, I havea friend of mine that her name is

(39:59):
Sila. She also part of theLGBTQ community. She's um. She just
turned twenty one yesterday, so she'sa little younger and she's a lead guitar
player and singer and she plays.Yeah I've heard this shit a little bit.
And she she plays with us sometimesand she played I was like,
dude, you want to play?You when to play at the game bar.

(40:20):
She's like, hell yeah, thatwas like two years ago though,
because they unfortunately, because of COVID, they had to close down Um yeah,
yeah, businesses. But did yourun into a lot of that,
like having obviously you couldn't perform asmuch rape during COVID. Has it put
a damper on that for you?Yeah? Yeah, that was a very

(40:44):
um that was a very emotional toughtime for me mentally. Um, and
a lot of people, I'm sure, um, a lot of musicians anybody,
but I know, Um, Iwent from playing like four gigs a
week to playing none for a year, and uh wow, wow that was
hard and and uh it's it's uh, it was really hard to not make

(41:09):
my own income, Um, notmake my own like living. I've been,
you know, I've been, andlike I you know, I had,
I had a family and um mymusic was a big part of our
income. So that was that washard. But um, I was very
fortunate Chelsea didn't lose her job.She worked at the bank at the time,

(41:30):
so that's good. She still wasable to work. Um, but
we got through it. I wrotea lot of songs that time, so
I imagine like because creative like creativitytoo, Like, not only did you
not have your income, but creativepeople like yourself UM or Jeff who who

(41:52):
started the company we worked for,if they can't you don't have that outlet.
It it's depressing in a way.So You're lucky you were able to
write music and stuff too, Iimagine not performing just do you feel like,
you know, it's got to besoul crushed angles a little bit.
So are you back to performing often? Again? We are, Um,

(42:15):
it's still tough because some places areyou know, some businesses and bars um
are struggling still and you know,they can't really afford to pay live music
all the time and a week andlike I completely understand that. Like so
I We've been playing in Myrtle Beacha lot because that's like the tourist town.

(42:36):
So they're they're killing it right now, like there's nobody, like there's
everybody out there. So and I'mvery fortunate for that for my career because
I'm able to play and I'm ableto provide um income for my band because
at the end of the day,UM, that's how they make their money
too. So that was another hardthing is I had these people relying on

(42:57):
me and you know that they're theybasically are my employees, and I couldn't
do anything about it. So it'sreally good to be able to do that
now. And that's the one thingthat's tough. When you have a band,
You know you have responsibilities. It'snot just about you, it's it's
you have people that count on you, and and I love them like brothers
in my family. So I reallytry to find what I can for them

(43:20):
and us, and Myrtle Beach hasreally been big. Like before COVID,
we were playing North Carolina, Tennessee, New York, Florida, and then
when COVID hit, it's just beenSouth Carolina, which I'm very thankful for
my home, and I play alittle bit in North Carolina and Georgia too.
Still have you ever dine like anyof the American Adol or America's Got

(43:45):
Talent or any of those shows.Have you ever done them or ever consider?
I tried out, Okay, SoI tried out for the voice.
Okay, I was like twenty five. Started I started playing music and singing
and playing guitar when I was twentyfour or twenty five and somewhere in there,

(44:07):
and I tried my dad got me. I used to work with a
booking agent out of North Carolina,and she she did a good job like
getting like helping me get my feetoff the ground and stuff. And she
got me a private audition and mybrother a private audition, and for the
voice, my brother sentence too,and we went and tried out. And

(44:29):
my brother he's older than me,so he's been playing. Uh, he's
been playing about ten years now.He's like thirty thirty two, thirty three,
and he went in there and killedit. I went in there and
was like nervous. Uh. Thatwas before I really had any like um
experience, like in front of people. So you walk in and you have

(44:52):
to stand on the X. Thisis a This was a private audition too,
so it was like everybody in therewas good. And I was like,
Hill, did I get it?What am I doing it here?
And I was like, oh,good, yeah, because I didn't know
what I was doing. And um. I actually met a good friend of
mine there who he tried out andhe was on the show. His name

(45:13):
is Hill. We became friends fromthere, and he was on the show
Michael buck Um and he he's veteranand uh, they he was on there
for like I think top ten,maybe I can't remember. He made it
like far. My brother made itall the way to LA and he uh,
once he got to La, hedidn't make it any further. But

(45:36):
I didn't do good on that one. Um. And I and I'm not,
okay, I am not sexist atall, Okay, like I am,
I'm not. But all the guysI tried out and it was all
dudes and like it were like Maroonfive, which I love. I don't
think they were digging my type ofmusic too. And and my brother when

(46:00):
he tried out, he came outhe's like at all girls, and my
brother's like he doesn't have any troublewith women. He just put it that
way. Yes, he said,he sang. He sang eight Second Ride
by Jaco and um my kind ofParty by Jason Adeen's. They were like,
oh my god, he got hegot three real quick. And yeah,

(46:22):
um he became outside. I waslike I should have had this.
I should have had the girls.We could have been like girl power man.
No. But um, I wasreally happy for him because, um,
he's he's paid his dudes, andhe's he's been doing music a long
time and when he got through that, like he deserved that, and I

(46:42):
was really proud of him. It'sso because I was sad for me,
but I was happy for him.And that was really tough because I would
like upset, but I wanted tobe I didn't. I was happy for
him, you know. And Ithink I think the hardest part about that
was when I walked outside and Iget emotional talking about it. So I'm
gonna kind of like say it fast. I don't, okay, But outside
my dad was in the car,um um, Chelsea was in the car

(47:07):
and they're looking at me, andChelsea's like like I can see her in
the car just doing that like yeahyeah, uh yeah, and I'm like
no, oh god. And thenI come out. I'm like and um,

(47:27):
I was like, so I triedout before my brother and I was
like, Max's gonna make it.I'm pretty sure he made it, and
they were like, no, hedidn't know. There's no he would have
already been he would have already cameback out if he made it. I
was like, no, he's gonnastay in there and making it. Uh.
But I'm terrible at stories. Itake for every time at all at

(47:50):
me. She said here doing herstudying and laughing, like he could pick
a conversation to be next. Wecan give your side of everything, we'll
get Chelsea's side. I remember that. But that's such a feeling for like,

(48:10):
oh see, that's why Chelsea's theboss. See. What you need
to do, though, is auditionfor something more like like America's Got Talent
with your band and you should playyour own original music. That would be
cool. There needs to be ashow like that. M there needs to

(48:32):
be a show instead of like forAmerica's Got Talent. Um. Yeah,
I tried out for them. Itried out for American Idol when I was
twenty seven, because you can't tryout when you're twenty eight. And I
tried out. Um, I wentto like the public one like that you
go and stay in line for hoursand and I did that. And my

(48:53):
friend, my good friend Tamara shouldallow me. She doesn't sing. She's
she's the one that owned the gaybar I was telling you about. She
just stood in line with me likemy bodyguard. I'm like, what are
you doing now? She's like fiveshe's like five foot two, and but
she's awesome. She's one of thebest people I know and uh. She

(49:15):
just stood there with me and theywere like okay, man, um,
are you trying out? And she'slike no, They're like okay, you
have to get out of line.I can't, Like I have to be
here. She like make friends withthe girl behind us like we were.
Yeah. So I tried out forthat and I got the golden ticket.
Oh wow wow back and that wasthat was a fun um. I met

(49:39):
some amazing talented people, so talentedthat did not make it in the back
and I was like, how didI make it back here? And they
did it like that. This oneguy did um Tennessee whiskey and he did
it in a way I've never heardit, and it was like he So.
I don't know if y'all ever heardor how it works, but the
way it worked, there's were thisbig room, huge room, wide open,

(50:02):
and there's just like these little cubiclesand they have three judges in each
one and you're like in a linewith like eight people or ten people and
you have to go stand upon likeyou stay in line for like hours and
that's what we had to do.All you can hear is people singing,
and it gives me chill. Bumpsthinking about it, because it is It's
one of the coolest experiences I've everbeen through my life. And I'm just

(50:24):
standing in line my guitar, likeI don't know, and because I'm actually
like, I talk a lot andI'm loud, but in situations like that,
I'm quiet because I'm just like andI was just standing in line.
And we get in there and tothe judges and they're like, all right,
give me ten people, and youhave to stand on the lines,

(50:45):
and then you go to the nextline, the next line, and then
you're up to the judges. AndI remember I had my water bottle in
my hand like this, and yeah, yeah, because because I'm used to
hold a microphone and singing and youknow, I'm not used to standing there
like this and singing. Yeah,I'm just saying people. Yeah, it

(51:07):
was so different. And you havea you have a stack of papers that
you had to fill out and likewriteing or type and you give the those
to them, and I gave thoseto them, and uh they're like okay,
uh, and my my name's Madison, but everybody calls me Maddie and
like Madison, please stand stand forward, come forward, And I go up

(51:29):
and uh. I started off withBobby McGee. Mhm um. They were
they were like, yeah, ohI love that song. I never even
knew it until I started playing musicand people were requested it. I had
to learn it. Um. Imean I knew it, but I didn't
know the words very well. Yeah. Um, so when I like and

(51:49):
now I love Janics like I loveI love her if I could, if
I could see anybody in concert that'sno longer alive, she's number one,
yeah, and uh and and ofcourse Freddy. Yeah. But I stood
up there and I think that,and they were like, okay, And
you usually did like two songs andyou do like ten seconds of them.
You don't get to sing the wholething, so you gotta pick part,

(52:13):
but you think is gonna like catchthem. And I don't remember what part
I did. I don't even know. And then I did another song.
I can't remember what I did.And then they kept asking me to do
more songs. I did like eightsongs. Oh wow. That point everyone's
staring at us, and this isyou're a room with like five hundred people
and they're all trying out and ifyou want you want them to notice you,

(52:36):
you have to be loud because theycan't hear you of everybody else singing.
You can hear other people singing.It's so weird. So I think
the song that made them like mewas I love rock and roll and that's
a pro jam I did. Um, I did Last Last Kids pro jam,
and I was like, so theylike more rock stuff than the country

(52:59):
stuff I did. I ended upgetting my tick in my past and I
went in the bag and I wasback there and I had to do interviews
for like hours, and so therewere completely two different experiences. And once
I got back there, they toldme that I was going to be going
to Nashville for the next round todo interviews again. And then I got
an email telling me that they weresorry they couldn't. I couldn't. I

(53:22):
wasn't going to be able to goor something like that. Though. Oh
wow. Yeah, so that's justinteresting because like obviously we don't see any
of that when we're watching it onTV. Yeah, like you know what
I mean. And I always wonderbecause like I don't, I haven't,
I'll be honest, I haven't reallywatched the last but there's like thirty seasons

(53:42):
not at this point. I haven'twatched like the last couple of seasons,
but like when it first came out, it was so like like you wanted
the bad people like you wanted tosit there and the people that really thought
that they could sing, and thenthat was a lot of it was like
a lot of like that William Hungand then all of a sudden it was
like a couple of really good people. But now it seems like they're letting
the really good people come and they'renot kind of like highlighting all the questionable

(54:08):
or you know, I'm in Yeah, I remember when Hung, like di,
I mean he made it, madea little bit of a he made
a little bit of a career outof it, so I mean he didn't
really really lose or know. Yeah, So, Maddie, another thing that

(54:31):
um We, Lee and I andyourself are really passionate about both women's rights
and being mental health advocates. Umwe talk about women's rights all the time
on this show. There's also anothershow in our UM media group, The

(54:51):
Ever Evolving Truth, that kind ofhandles more of the polarizing debates going on.
But mental health, Like I've beenvery open about my mental health wellness
journey that I'm on right now.Leah's the same way. What this might
be a difficult question to answer beingsomeone that is passionate about it and kind

(55:14):
of just using your platform and whateverway you can. What are some of
the things that you hope to bringto light with your platform, not only
on TikTok, but as as yourI don't want to say celebrity status,
but as your status changes within theentertainment community, Like, what are you

(55:34):
hoping that you can kind of puta spotlight on? Um? Well,
one of the main reasons I startedplaying music is I always thought I wasn't
good enough to do music, especiallycountry music, because I have a deep
voice. I sound different than whichyou like girls on radio that have hired

(55:59):
voice like I just always thought thatthat was weird. And um, I
always felt like I wasn't, LikeI said, I wasn't good enough until
I finally realized, you know,UM, there needs to be somebody that's
out there to tell little girls likeme that it is okay, it is
okay to be different. And um, I've always wanted to I've always wanted

(56:23):
to sing. I've always wanted toto to be like an actress or anything
like that. And I always heldmyself back because of who I am,
and when that should have been themain thing that put put me out there
to do it more is because ofwho I am. Yeah, and um,

(56:44):
I uh, I'm I've gone througha lot of crazy things in life,
just like anyone else. You know, we all have our stories.
And I think I think for me, I'm so um big on mental health
because it wasn't talked about a lotfor me growing up. And just like

(57:06):
you know, being gay wasn't talkingabout a lot growing up, because those
were things that you just didn't talkabout. And until I got older,
I realized it's okay to talk aboutthose things. It's okay to talk about
mental health. It's okay to talkabout that you feel like you're losing your
minds some times, or that youfeel like giving up. It's okay to

(57:27):
talk about it. That's the bestthing to do is to talk about it.
Um. I have a song onI wrote it called Heavy, and
it's about mental health. It's aboutfor me, it's about mental health.
And you know, I have alcoholicsin my family but I never met,
but my mom and dad have toldme that down the line, you know,
and I have a lot of Ihave a lot of gay people in

(57:52):
my family that I never knew weregay because we never talked about it.
And I feel like those those things, if they would have been talked about,
you know, some of them,and like a lot of suicide in
my family, and I feel likethose things would have been talked about,
those things wouldn't have happened. Iknow, I know so many people that

(58:13):
have lost their lives because of beingashamed of who they are, are scared
to talk about who they are,and or drugs, you know, and
like where I'm from, drugs isDrugs is so big where I'm from,
Like people make fun of it allthe time and call it liketh meth labs
everywhere, and they're not wrong.But there's so many amazing people that I

(58:35):
know from my hometown. And Iwould never trade where I'm from because it's
made me who I am and that'swhere my whole family is from. And
just because there's bad things in thattown doesn't make that a bad place.
Um, yeah, I just goall over the place, but no,
no, you yeah, I mean, I I know for myself that like

(58:59):
a lot of a lot of thingsthat I'm processing now as an adult.
Specifically related to my childhood was thatpeople didn't talk about it. You didn't.
You just kind of dealt with whatwas handed to you and you moved
on. And we we don't livein a society that that's okay anymore.
You can't do that. I mean, the amount of our youth that are

(59:20):
committing suicide or starting drugs or youknow, whatever's happening, it's it's all
related because it's not cool to youknow, have mental health issues. It's
you know, who are they goingto talk to? I mean I think
I posted a video and it waslike on mental health about that on TikTok,
and it got like it got likeshadow band. M hmm. Yeah,

(59:44):
it's well, it's not it's notcool. It's not cool until someone
dies, and then it's like,let's idolize that person. But it's never
like how did they get here?You know, like like let's memorize,
let memorialize them, but let's nottalk about why they got to point.
So I think anyone that has aplatform and truly believes in it, yeah

(01:00:05):
to you know, say hey,listen, we're going to be doing this.
UM. One of the other showson our network, the Existential Ginger
podcast. She made a she madea goal that she's going to donate a
portion of her profits for the restof the year to the Trevor Project,
and then us with Moms and Mayhem, we decided that whatever she made,

(01:00:29):
we were going to match because theTrevor Project is such an incredible organization for
youth in the LGBTQ community and justthe resources and again you don't hear about
I didn't know about the I didn'tknow about the Trevor Project until a couple
of weeks ago. My mom anddad, I feel like they have something
like that when I came out mI feel like that would have helped.

(01:00:52):
I know that would have helped meand my mom and dad and I haven't
known this song I wrote called HeyGirl, and it's about that. It's
like it's gonna be okay, that'swhat it's about. It it's a sad
I don't ever play it because it'ssad, but yeah, that's awesome.
Um. I have I have goodfriends of mine that are here locally and
they had they started an they starteda foundation or a clothing line, and

(01:01:16):
I think like part of the proceedsgo to like mental health and stuff.
I don't know all the information onit. They just started doing it in
it and it's like five poland eight. I don't know if I'm saying it
right, but it's like semi colonin it. And I just did a
I just did a music video andI was like, dude, I want

(01:01:36):
to wear that shirt in the video. And so she she like made me
one that night so I could doit and put it in in my music
video. And uh, it's formental health awareness and that's really cool,
though I did not I had noidea about I had no idea about the
about that, and I'm gonna definitelycheck that out. Yeah, I tell
you one thing too that I thinkit's crazy. And me and a bunch

(01:01:59):
of my friends were all talking aboutother than night um, and they're all
they're a bit older than me,so they I learned things every day that
I don't know a lot about,you know, and I want to always
know and learn more about. That'swhat it's great about TikTok is there's I've
learned so much about the LGBTQ community. And I'm in that community, but

(01:02:22):
I learned so much. It's amazing. And one of the things that me
and Chelsea we we learned this from. We watched, like we try to
watch everything and learn everything. Wewere watching this documentary or this movie and
it was about the camps. Arethey're still legal like for the like basically
saying the gays like to take thegay away, you know. Yeah,

(01:02:46):
and that's still like. I havea friend that that was it. That
was an electric therapy because he wasgay a little boy. Oh yeah,
I just guess what. He's stillgay? Yeah? Yeah, they did

(01:03:09):
so stupid. Yeah, yeah,it's it's eagle here too, is it
really? Wow? Wow? That'sthat that needs to be outlied as I
didn't know that. And um,my friends were talking to them and they
that's saying they ain't know more aboutstuff than than I do. Um.

(01:03:30):
And and god, he's an amazingperson. He is so fun he's so
funny and amazing. I won't I'mnot gonna say who it is or anything,
but he's a great guy. Um. But he stays home a lot.
He doesn't go out, he doesn't. He doesn't. He has mental
he has he's his mental illness.He has. He has a lot of

(01:03:52):
crap that he deals with. AndI can't even imagine he's amazing. He's
a fun dude. Um. LikeI said, my mom and dad,
you know, they struggled when Icame out, but my mom and dad
never put me through that, neverAnd I tried to like hurt myself and
UM do thing I do things myself, and my mom and dad, you

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know, they wanted to help,you know. They they didn't push me
away, so and I think Ididn't realize until like I'm almost thirty,
and I didn't realize until I wasabout twenty eight, twenty seven that you
know, for a long time,I would be like mad like that my
mom and dad the way they handledit, And I looked back and I'm

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like, you know, my momand dad really did the best they could
with the situation because they didn't knowit. They didn't know what to do.
And my mom, I remember onenight laying I remember laying my bed
one night crying when I was likefifteen or sixteen and my girlfriend and my
egg girlfriend were hanging out and Icouldn't tell anybody about it because I was

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Yeah, because when I came outto them pretty much after that, it
didn't work out very well because theydidn't know how to handle it. So
I went back in the closet andum, but then when that all happened
to my mom, like and Ifound out that my took my too,
my girlfriend and my ex girlfriend werehooking up. It's some like Jerry Springer

(01:05:21):
stuff. But yeah, I waslike, I was like, Mom,
I remember just talking to her andlike I was contemplate, Like I was
contemplating on like any of my life. And that's a terrible thing to feel,
like when you're a kid, youknow, like you shouldn't feel like
that. And I didn't tell mymom that, but I just remember crying

(01:05:44):
and she came in there and wetalked about this a while back, and
I just told her all that,Mom. I don't know if you know
that, but she saved my lifethat day, and uh, she got
upset and it was very, um, it was very sad conversation, but
it was, um, it wasawesome because my mom she did. She
came in there, she just huggedme and she was like those people.

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I was like, Mom, whatdo you what do you do when you
when you just your heart's broken orsomething. I don't remember what I said,
and she was like, you justyou just have to keep moving on
and keep your head up. Mymom is one of the strongest women I've
ever met in my life. Like, and I'm so, you're so lucky
to have She's amazing man Like she'sshe's a badass, like and that's I

(01:06:30):
think that's why I'm so like bigon like uh, independent women and like
my dad. My Dad's like,I raised you to be independent, independent
woman, so you don't ever haveto rely on a man. He was
like, and little know you were, you don't you don't need a man
at all. Exactly. He didn'trealize just how well he was he was
setting you up there right. Therewas some divide intervention going on there that

(01:06:59):
yeah so um but yeah, soI think that I was very fortunate to
have that. And I think thereason why I want to play I want
to play music, And what oneof the biggest reasons I got into playing
music was I wanted to be ableto be like like my mom was there
for me when I needed her thattime. And I had and I had
a lot of mentors in my lifethat were strong women. Um, my

(01:07:24):
coaching middle school name is McEwan anduh, she's actually going through cancer right
now and we we didn't see eachother for years, but she kept me
out of trouble because like where I'mfrom, like I said, it's it's
not the greatest area, but there'sgood people there and and I feel like
if I just could, if Icould just have that platform where I could

(01:07:45):
tell little girls or anybody doesn't matter, a girl, boy, whatever,
But like for me, I justcan relate to being a little girl,
And so like, if there's anybodyout there, you know, I want
to be able to tell them,you know, it's gonna be okay,
and just just be like you justlive your life and don't let any stupid
crap keep you from being yourself nomatter what, and you will always you

(01:08:08):
will always follow your gut, youknow, Like I always follow your gut.
That's the way I feel, AndI just want to have that.
I want to be able to showpeople that you can be you can be
yourself and you can you can playmusic, you can do whatever you want,
and you don't have to put ona thousand pounds of makeup, which
if you want to, that's great, that's amazing. Chelsea loves makeup.
She wears bake eyelashes and every girlbeautiful with it or without it. And

(01:08:35):
she and you know what makes memad? She has beautiful eyelashes without those,
and I'm like, ye, Ihave nothing. Like I'm like,
come on, but, um,you know, whatever you want to do,
like if you're if you're, ifyou're a man, and you want
to wear heels, were free healslike me, you dude, like and
if you don't want to wear heals, don't wear heels, like whatever.

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But it's just the world is sostupid about things, and it's just it's
just dumb. Like I always say, spread love of not hate. That's
the way I feel. Oh,Maddie, you are I said this before,
an incredible human being. Just thealmost hour that you have given us

(01:09:19):
just now of sharing so much ofyou your story. I want to talk
to you for hours more, um, but we can't do that today.
So I think this is a goodpart to wrap it up. We would
absolutely love to have you come backbecause I have a couple more entertainment wise
questions and I'm going to work onmy vocals. I'm not a singer,

(01:09:41):
like, I don't even know whatharmony is, but I have this vision
of because when I listen to yourWhen I hear your voice, I hear
a lot of um, Kenya Tucker, and I hear a lot of like,
I just love that. So Iwant to do a rand edition of
karaoke with you, and we couldprobably see some other people on. UM,

(01:10:05):
we won't be making it to anyquick show. Come on, come
here and say, hey, comeon, Chelsea, we've talked about you
all this time. Next time,next time, she'll come with us.
UM, so what she's got theear in now? Next time next time,

(01:10:26):
and we'll we'll get the behind thescenes of the behind the scenes stories
of everything that Mattie said, andyou can let us know, um some
other juicy things. So where canwe you can hear? Where can we
find you? Where can people findyou on? On social media? On
your your music? UM, wewill put everything in the show description,

(01:10:47):
but just in case someone hears thisopposed to looking at it, Where can
people find you? Um, youcan find me on TikTok, YouTube,
Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, AppleMusic, all music outlets, Whiskey Women's
on their last calls on there youcan find it under Maddie wren A mayde

(01:11:13):
i e wren r e A Andit looks like rain rain Ran its rin
lighting Bird, and I think that'spretty much it. I think that's I
think that's everything, right, Yeah, I think that's all places. We're
all TikTok is where you can findall the kind of crazy stuff. But
if you want to hear the music, it's all the Spotify YouTube, all

(01:11:35):
all that stuff. Awesome, awesome, And I'm hoping that the next time
that we talk to you, thatLee and I can make it to your
show, so maybe we can talkto you in person and kind of get
some behind the scenes. But um, again, thank you so much for
coming on the show, and we'regonna take a quick break and we'll be
right back and welcome back to Mom'sand Mayhem, what fabulous interview. That

(01:12:00):
was so much fun. Love her, she's adorable and wags you did great.
I love that. Oh thank you. Yeah, she is like and
I hope that you all heard it. But she said that she could spend
all day talking to us, andI think we could have definitely spent all
day talking to her as well,and I definitely want to have her come
back and without seeming like a stalkeror obsessive. She just really is a

(01:12:27):
good person, like a very genuineperson who happens to be incredibly talented yea.
And I love that we have thisopportunity to kind of talk with her
while she's in the middle of thisjourney that she's on. And I think
it's she made it very clear that, you know, obviously she wants to
pursue her music career, but shealso wants to do other, like really

(01:12:50):
positive and powerful things with it.And I think that is the mentality to
have when you're in this enterty taimentindustry. And I'm just thankful that she
wanted to come on and talk withus. So, Chelsea, you will
be talking with us next which isher her manager. We will get her

(01:13:13):
on and I'd love to have thewhole band on, Like I think that
would be so much fun. Yeah, So like forever ago, like back
before Ted, I think Jeff hadtalked about doing live music on PIP,
like had local bands on and stufflike that. But how cool would it
be if we could get her interviewthe band. We should do that on

(01:13:38):
PIP or hear whatever and let themperform live. I think that would be
so cool. But I would loveto talk to the bandmates too, especially
like what's it like to be ina band where it's like all about her,
like really it's centered around her,Like I would love to know what
it's like to be a basis ina band like that, you know.

(01:14:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, AndI mean from what she's shared with us
on and off the interview, sheis very lucky to have the group of
people around her, Like you cantell by the way that she speaks about
them that they truly believe in herjust as much as she believes in them.
So yeah, and that it's atight knit group, sure, for
sure. So um, those twothink that TikTok is just mindless, and

(01:14:26):
I'm guilty of that sometimes, butit really is a great source for artists
and people that are trying to makea difference in this world. So make
sure that you check out and we'regoing to have in the show description all
of her links to all of hersocial media and um, we will definitely
keep you guys updated on what she'sdoing. And I'm hoping sooner rather than

(01:14:51):
later we can we can see herin person. Yeah, that would be
amazing. I would love to seeher in person again. Check out her
all of her socials. We'll sharethe links go to the show description or
Facebook page. We'll be sharing stuffleft, right and center from her and

(01:15:11):
definitely check her out on TikTok.So next week, I'm not positive we're
gonna have a show because, likewe said in the beginning of the show,
we are on vacation right now,so we won't be here next Monday,
but the following Monday we will beback and hopefully full time back consistently

(01:15:33):
back every week. We do havea ton of stuff going on, but
I don't know, I missed doingthe show when we don't do it,
so I think we should continue.Yeah, it's it's definitely nice to have
it. It's like our weekly likefair Fair Py check in, and you

(01:15:53):
know, we talk to each otherall the time. There's always other things
going on, but we don't reallyget to talk about things that we really
want to talk about right now.It's really focused on work and what we
have to do opposed to fun stuff, right and we we enjoy this and
we enjoy getting to have our wingma'am Charise with us. But when she's

(01:16:16):
not here, yeah, we umSo you know, make sure you check
out the Existential Ginger podcast because Iknow she's kind of taking a summer break
so to speak. She's doing episodeslike every other week. But her social
media is especially on Instagram. Makesure you check that out. She always
has things that make you think shedoes she's very um introspective. I would

(01:16:41):
say it's a good way to putit on Instagram, Yes, yeah,
for sure. Um. And thenthe only other thing I could think about
is to make sure that you havegone to the white Horse Media Group YouTube
page and make sure you subscribe.As my kids would say, hit that
bell. I just I actually lovesaying that. It sounds cool. Yeah.

(01:17:04):
Um. Because again, we havethe our film that we're working on,
Girl in the Farm. We aregetting closer and closer to filming.
We have a lot of going,a lot of stuff going on with that,
and if you want to get anybehind the scenes or we actually shoot
the movie, um, and definitelywhile we are shooting the movie and everything

(01:17:26):
afterwards, UM, go to thewhite Horse Media Group Instagram and I'll make
sure I link it in here aswell, and we will be doing sharing
things specifically for the film there.And it's like real, like we're like
a month away, so it's it'sintense. It is an exciting we have

(01:17:47):
a movie poster already, so it'sthat's so exciting. Yeah, that's the
Um, we're really looking forward tothat. So you know, check all
that out. And again, ifthere's a topic that you guys are really
interested and you want to talk about, or there's like a celebrity that you
want to cover, if we woulddo any hot topics we definitely need to

(01:18:10):
do with Britney Spears in the future, maybe when we come back. That's
a good because there's a lot goingon. Obviously if you've been following any
news, then I think this isgoing to be huge for many reasons.
And it's going to be a bigdeal in the mental health community because I

(01:18:31):
feel like there are going to bea lot of things coming out and I
agree it's going Yeah, it's goingto be Um. I think an opera
hurt them entertainment industry too, likewhat it does to children, how bad
it can be. As I say, as my daughter's about the acting in
first movie at eleven, there thereis a difference. Yeah, there is

(01:18:57):
there is a difference. Um.But I think overall, just and we're
not gonna get into it right now, but I think overall, just in
the in the Grand scheme of things. It's going to put not necessarily these
conservatorships in front, but the powerthat vindictive and manipulative people can have on

(01:19:19):
other people when it comes to theirmental health. It's going to be a
door that opens and it's going tobe scary what comes out. But I'm
I'm excited to talk about it,and I'm excited to see I know,
yeah, her to get her powerback. So yeah, yeah, we
talk about with that. I mean, I'm excited to talk about that.

(01:19:42):
And last thing really quick Teeth thisweek and will be the final episode of
our Unholy Trinity of cults, andwe'll be talking about the Manson family.
So other than that, I don'tthink we have anything else. Do we
have anything else? I have akid sitting behind me trying to go to

(01:20:04):
the pool, So so we gottago. We gotta go. We gotta
take care of responsibility. Listening toliking to describe it, hain't that not
vocation? Bell gotta write it.So my little bell sitting at the bar

(01:20:25):
night night. I want to bethere, glone. There's a cowboy cast
no love laying it on strong.Well, I have a corner of my

(01:20:45):
ass shoots me a smiling that's whoI want. It's an eagle, see
it, don't We had all thatthe run that ain't. I run with

(01:21:10):
the listener because he only thing we'vegot coming this she's soo whiskey with Well,
he hain't the first, so doll, come bargain up the wrong damn

(01:21:33):
tree. Now I hate to hurtthis pride, but those lines ain't working
on me. This playing girls inthis bar to night for him. Just

(01:21:56):
leave me be, I see it. I don't know we are