November 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Erika and Matt trudge there way through this....Trap.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to a new feature at Friday
episode of your favorite horror movie podcast, Monster Madness. I'm Erica.
Joined with me is a man who is not a
fan of Swiss cheese, or at least Swiss cheese movies.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My boy, Matt, you can't miss with Swiss. Swiss cheese
is the top tier cheese. You could put it on everything.
It's gonna be a great time. Like you said, though,
Swiss cheese movies not ideal. I am not looking forward
to this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
On a tiered list, you got yours, Yarlsberg, Gruyere, Swiss.
What's the ranking?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They're all pretty fucking close to each other.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So that's a.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Strange question I have. I've had the most Swiss, then
Greey and then jarles Berger, so I'm just gonna go
in that order. I mean, they're interfucking changeable pretty much.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, I've used.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
All those sharp shudder.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's is that god tear? I mean yeah, extra sharp checker, extra.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sharp Cheddar makes all your bad feelings good.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Feelings, that's true, and then in about an hour or
two you have bad feelings again, But then you get
good feelings again. Once all the bad feelings.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Come out yep.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So on this feature at Friday, we're talking about twenty
twenty four's Trap before we get into that breaking news, Matt,
I literally just read this before we started.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's just Trapped, but it's not the popular act band trapped.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You said trapped, Oh I did, didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I you are not headstrong.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We're not echoing.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I said you're not headstrong.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Echo is another song, dumb ass. I'm vibing off you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh, I like care about is that one song?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
God Man? That was a vibe when that song came out.
I'm gonna keep saying trapped by accident though, trap hard pieces,
hard piece, but breaking news, not horror related. I did
see this before we started recording. Did you see that
Dave Grol had an extramarital affair and now has a
(02:15):
new baby. He's been married for twenty three years.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's fucking Dave Grol.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, he's Dave Grol. He has no fucking he has
no chin, he has no fucking jaw.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
There is that all I'm saying. He's just he's not
infallible as a human being.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I know, but you know, I always find it strange
when celebrities are just like, hey, guys, just so you
know I had a baby, because it's gonna be breaking news.
Why do I give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
A whoopsy doodle?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Is it a whoopsy doodle?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Though?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
My duke accidentally fell into her in a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Tripped and fell. Yeah, yeah, maybe he was a premature
ejaculator and as soon as his panis gets near a vagina,
a just.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Goose's what made me laugh the most was he was
just like, you know, I love my wife and my children,
and I'm gonna do everything I can to earn their
trust back. Well, if you loved your wife, your dick
wouldn't have, you know, snaked into someone else. And the
snake imagery I want you all to have is that
(03:22):
little game that's on old phones, just going around trying
to get that little dot instead of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
A little black that little dot that's blonde women.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I guess I guess that's his vibe. But anyway, we're
talking twenty twenty fours trap.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
What's what's on the police trucks outside of the cameras everywhere, Jamie,
something happening.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm not supposed to tell them. Don't ram me out,
I won't, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
The butcher mmmm a freaking nutshot that goes around just
chopping people up.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well, the fancer whatever heard that he's gonna be here today,
so they set up a trap for him.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
This whole concert it's a trap. Wow here.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, they're watching all the exits. They're checking everyone
that leaves. There's no way to get.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Out of here.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I sit backstage, I guess, but no one can get backstage.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
See.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It's kind of dope, right, Yeah, don't tell you what
I'll get.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'll get in deep crab.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This movie is a rated PG thirteen and has a
runtime of one hour and forty five minutes. It's directed
by M. Night Shamalan.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What I just saw the greatest fucking tweet regarding this
Dave Girl thing that I needed to share with You
tell her right now. A lot of men have recently
become the fathers of new baby daughters born on set
of Dave Girl's marriage. You don't hear them breaking about it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Nice love it. It was written and directed by M.
Knight Shamalan. It was released on August's second, twenty twenty four.
It stars Josh Hartnett, Ariel Donahue, Selika Shamalan, Alison pill
Hayley Mills, Jonathan Langdon, Mark Bacola, Marni McPhail, kid Cuddy.
(05:22):
Someone just named Russ literally his name, oh Russ Vattel.
There it is Marcilla Bennett, Vanessa Smyth, M. Knight, Shamalan
and Lachlan Miller. It was produced by Blinding Edge Pictures
and the Government of Canada Income Tax Credit Program. It
was distributed by Warner Brothers. What's the M stand for
(05:45):
in M Night? Minaj Okay minaj Knight Shamalan.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm butchering it shut yeah, Schamalan Okay,
Night isn't really his middle name. It's Nella yet tui
n e l iya two ttu.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You just said a lot of things. I need you
to know that when people spell things at me, I
literally lose the ability to read or hear words.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's fine. I'm just saying like, it's nowhere near the
word night.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Hey man, it's night in his heart.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It was filmed from octogener I really don't want to
talk about this movie.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh Jesus, well, it's too bad. It's too bad. We're here.
One of us is queer. It was filmed from October sixteenth,
twenty twenty thirty, twenty three to December thirteenth, twenty twenty three.
Some taglines. There's only two A new m Night Shyamalan
experience and the last one thirty thousand fans, three hundred cops,
one serial killer, no escape.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The only trap I felt was watching this movie.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh god, it's t here's in my eyes. So let
me bring up the plot.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's just ninety minutes of staring at white dog shit.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I have to, you know, let the audience in on
a couple of things. Number one, Matt texted me that
he was watching this, and I think he was mildly,
you know, interested in it. At first, I was super
excited about it, and then it quickly devolved. I'm doing
dishes just to get through this piece of shit was
(07:23):
the direct question.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I started drinking too.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There it is, so I will be reading this one.
But I do have a very I am in line
with your opinion. This is not a good movie. It
is not a ya. It's definitely a nay. There are
many plot holes. Your one plot hole was kind of
I think just your rage more than anything, because.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Which one we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I have one giant opinion about M Night after
seeing a majority of his movies. This felt very different
than anything else he had done. But I'll get to
that a minute. So the plot of this movie, and
(08:10):
mind you, this whole play like everything with m Night,
it takes place in Philadelphia, so I see my hometown.
The arena that they filmed in, even though they stated
I think they said like the film locations were filmed
in Ontario, Canada, it's basically the Wells Fargo Center, which
is down in Philadelphia. I literally was just at a
(08:31):
concert there less than a year ago and it looked
exactly the same. I don't know if he made it
that way or he actually filmed in there, but either
which way, Philadelphia, So it was cool to see my hometown. Philadelphia.
Firefighter Cooper Abbott takes his teenage daughter Riley to popstar
(08:52):
Lady Raven's concert as a reward for her good grades. There,
Cooper notices the unusual amount of the unusually high police
presence around the concert venue. He learns from a vendor
named Jamie that the FBI plans to catch a serial
killer known as the Butcher. Having learned he will be
in attendance, Cooper is revealed to be the butcher himself
(09:14):
secretly checking footage on his phone of his latest captive victim, Spencer.
In a basement, he steals Jamie's ID card and learns
the past phrase that will identify him as an employee,
using the card to gain access to a back room
and steal a police radio.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hearing a woman Okay, hold on, I am gonna piss
him about this turd on. Well, well, it's happening in
real time, so hey the merch guy, yeah, says I
shouldn't tell anybody this, but I'm gonna tell you. Yeah,
And that is like the only other thing I shouldn't
be telling you is the thing that will get you
(09:51):
out of this fucking building.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Like, come on, okay, that is a huge obvious plot hole.
Because number one, it's it's just dumb. Here's the thing.
If there was a sting that large to find a
serial killer who only had killed twelve people, let's be real,
that's not that many.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, that was amateur numbers.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Boy lo lo. Number one, My biggest critique is that
I've been to the Wells Figre Center at numerous times.
I've been to venues numerous times. There's cameras everywhere. They
would fucking see him, immediately pick him out of a
(10:35):
fucking He is not an eagle in a haystack. He
is the fucking haystack.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Mm hm. A middle aged white guy at a fucking
pop star concert sticks out already.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
My second thing, and it comes with the guy, you know,
the the vendor. If an if FBI is working a sting,
they are not telling one hundred and fifty employees what
they're doing. They're going to keep everybody in the dark
as much as possible, because that's what a sting operation is.
(11:12):
It's baiting and switching and deceiving. Not hey, everybody in
this fucking venue knows everything. Here's your passcode. Even if
they did tell the vendors, every single section would have
a different passcode and you would have to have verification
of that passcode, Not like, who I film this wallet
with this fucking cord that says whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That that's we'll get there when we get there. But
that was another thing that really pissed me off. But
uh yeah, I lost my thought there. It's probably better
this way anyways, that's fine. Oh oh sorry. He also mentions,
I'm pretty sure that's at this point, he mentions that
the concert was made to catch him.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You misunderstood that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes? You did, And that's where I wanted to address.
The one thing that you got wrong was that that
concert was not made to catch him.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Adjusted to catch him because spoiler alert, because obviously we're
spoiling the whole movie. His wife wanted him to get
caught because she was already onto him while she knows
that the FBI was hunting for him, so she ripped
the ticket stub and left it so that cops would
look into the concert hoping to find him.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
By that point in the movie, I was so fucking
checked out, But I thought, and then, okay, fine, it
still doesn't make there's no redemption at all. No, but
it would have been real fucking sloppy writing if that
is what it was. So I guess I'm fuck this movie.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's fine, that's fine, your opinion still stands.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Let's all go to the lobby.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all do a
little lobby to get ourselves a treat. Would he like
to do a concert? I'm a theater teacher for the
fifth graders. It must be so much work. I can't
even imagine it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Was actually very strange today, not like a normal concert day.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh really, why is that?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Do you know who the butcher is? Rachel the butcher?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Do you mean crazy person who does that to people?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yes, I've heard of him. Ah, he's a monster, that's
all I can say.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
My friends and I have had nightmares.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, apparently he made a mistake. About two weeks ago.
The FBI and police came to me and they told
me they had found out he was going to be
at my concert today. They found a portion of a
receipt for ticket bounded in one of his fake houses.
They're fairly certain are his. For some reason, he bought
tickets to my concert. We had no idea why. Most
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of my fans are teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh god, did you catch him?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Did they tell you anything about him? They did.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
They said he was probably a man in his thirties
or early forties. White, He probably has a position of authority.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They even know he drives a dark colored car.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They photos of his car.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, they know from the precision of the crime scenes
in fake houses. He's what's called an organized defender, probably OCD.
Those individuals always drive dark cars because they appear cleaner.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Wow, they're so smart. They've sure learned a lot about him.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I had no idea they knew all this.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
He was a man who had a scarring relationship with
his mother. She was probably the first person to sense
he was different.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What a stressful day you must have had. You must
be tired.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I feel like you have to stay here to be polite.
You've been so incredibly kind to Riley. Let me walk
you to the door.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Hearing a woman predict his movements over the radio, Cooper
sets off an explosion in a food stands kitchen and
uses the chaos to access the roof, where he learns.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
From a police officer to your earlier point. If they
had cameras, they would have seen him dump a bunch
of bottles in a fucking fryer easily.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Again, next time, anybody listening, even you met, next time
you were in a mall, a venue. You're in venues
all the fucking time. Look look up, there's cameras everywhere anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, how are you even going to get back into
a kitchen to get to a fryar to be able
to dump bottles in there for them to explode without
someone being like, what the fuck are you doing? Guy?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I forget, didn't he he did something before that to
distract people so that he could.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Do that some distraction. But you're telling me, was this
the one when he pushed the girl down the stairs?
But you're telling me there wasn't one person that was like,
what are you doing? Man? Like, even if they were
watching the girl to figure out what's going on, they
would have seen this guy like it's just yeah, no,
there are thirty thousand people like how is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now the first push? The push down the stairs was
the first attempt of him trying to get the cops
away from the door, but there was cops outside blocking
the doors, and the cops inside were the ones that
aided the girl. Hearing a woman predicting his movements over
the radio, Cooper sets off an explosion in a foodstance
kitchen and uses the chaos to access the roof, where
he learns from a police officer that the manhunt is
(16:29):
led by doctor Josephine Grant, an FBI profiler. Confused by
Cooper's behavior, Riley asked him to stay with her. She
talks about being chosen as Lady Raven's dreamer girl who
gets to dance on stage with the singer and receives
backstage access, which Cooper believes has the only exit not
covered by the police. Cooper lies to Lady Raven's uncle
(16:50):
that Riley recently recovered from leukemia, getting her selected to
be the Dreamer Girl. However, after the concert ends, Cooper
learns that the police are also guarding the backstage exit.
He privately reveals himself, Oh god, I'm saying that on
the Instagram laker. Oh shit, Oh jesus. He probably reveals
himself as as the butcher to Lady Raven, listening to
(17:14):
remotely kill Spencer if she does not escort him and
Riley out of her limousine. She could complies, but asked
to come to Riley's house, where she stalls for time
by explaining the FBI operation to the family, unsettling Cooper
by describing Grant's profile of him as someone with maternal
issues and obsessive compulsive disorder, which they showcased a little bit,
(17:36):
which I liked. That was the only thing I liked.
I was like, they did make note if you paid
attention to Josh Hartnett's movements of like everything he did
was very cleanly. He folded his napkin a certain way.
He didn't just dump his food on the floor. He
did not leave traces of his DNA. I was like, Okay,
I'm liking this so far. They had me in the
first half. I'm not gonna lie. They had me a
(17:56):
little bit in the first fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it wasn't a complete shith out of the gate, no.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
She also explains that the police discovered details about the
butcher's attendance at the concert via a torn ticket receipt
left in a vacant house that was reported anonymously. Lady
Raven steals Cooper's phone and locks herself in the bathroom.
She obtains details from Spencer about where he was taken
and live streams it to her fans, one of whom
finds and rescues him. She outs Cooper to his wife, Rachel,
(18:24):
and he locks his family upstairs while Lady Raven texts
her driver to contact the police. Cooper attempts to drive
off with Lady Raven, but Cooper's family escapes and distracts
him long enough for her to flee into her limousine.
The police arrive, and Cooper flees the house through a
secret tunnel before disguising himself using a SWAT uniform and
driving the limousine off with Lady Raven. After he reveals
(18:45):
his identity, she unlocks the window and draws a mob
of fans to stop him so the FBI can catch up,
but Cooper changes into a fresh set of civilian clothes
and gets away. Cooper returns home and confronts Rachel, and
Rachel confesses that she she had suspected he was the
butcher and left the receipt in the vacant house for
the police to find, thus revealing that she was the
(19:06):
one who tipped them off. Cooper decides to kill her
and then himself, but Rachel persuades him to share some
leftover pie made for Riley. After Cooper admits his hatred
for Rachel in causing him to miss seeing his children
grow up, he realizes that Rachel drugged the pie with
pills from his tool bag, leading him to hallucinate his mother,
expressing pride in him for feeling a real emotion. The
(19:27):
hallucination is actually Grant, impersonating Cooper's mother to calm him down.
He is tazed by SWAT officers as he walks up
to her. As he is led away, he stops to
adjust Riley's bicycle and this pissed me off so fucking bad.
I was like, I can clearly see he's taking a
wire out of the fucking bike. Is novgain paying attention?
He has five guns on him, but okay, and shares
(19:49):
a tearful embrace with her before being loaded into the
police fan. As it drives away, Cooper starts to pick
his cuff with the bicycle spoke he secretly took, not
secretly laughing to himself in a midias credit seeing Jamie
Larrence of Cooper's identity while watching the news. Which is
probably the best part of the movie, was that little
It wasn't even MiG credits. It was literally before the
credits you told me not to watch it. I didn't
(20:13):
say that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah you did. You said there's a mid credit now,
was that you? No? Someone else was not was not.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So that was the plot of Traps, Like m Night.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Shamlin was like, Hey, I have this daughter who wants
to be a singer. I'll just make a movie about her,
and then worked backwards to make the worst fucking movie manageable.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, so we all know m Night from all of
his movies that have cover some have been really good,
some have been shit. I absolutely love Signs. I love
the Village. I saw Six Cents when I was a kid,
and it fucking traumatized me, and I have not watched
it since, but I want to revisit it after watching
(20:57):
this movie. Actually, I just remember me Barton, that little
girl who was being poisoned by lysol, like just vomiting
in her bed. I watched that as like a seven
year old, and I was like, what the fuck is
my mom trying to kill me? I saw Unbreakable one time,
I've seen Split. I saw that Lady in the Water,
I think, and I think that's all of them. I
(21:18):
might be missing one or two. Lady in the Water
was his weakest one before this one. In my opinion,
what bothers me about this movie is like I feel
like m Night is taking all of the qualities of
his movies that make his movies so unique and so
fun and good to watch because you know that there's
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gonna be a massive twist. I didn't feel that way
when I watched Signs, Like there wasn't like this crazy
twist at the end, Like, oh, they fucking dissolve when
you throw water on them. Swing away, Meryl. That wasn't
like a shocking twist to me because I had already
seen or you know, had to talk to my dad
about like War of the Worlds where fucking common cold
killed those aliens. Right, quick spoiler alert for that movie.
(22:05):
The Village had an incredible twist if you have ever
seen that movie. I don't want to spoil it because
I know my girlfriend hasn't seen it and I want
her to watch it and she listens to our episodes.
But you know, The Village incredible twist at the end,
sixth sense. Everybody knows that he was fucking dead the
whole time. Incredible twist. This I feel like he was
(22:26):
he saw how good Jordan Peel's movies are and wanted
to kind of be like that, but fell flat on
his fucking face. He wanted the horror aspect with pepperdin humor,
and you know, the the vendor was the main focal
(22:47):
point of the funny and it just didn't fucking work
because you expect an m Night Shyamalan movie. I knew
right away when I read the tagline on the poster,
I'm like, okay, so clearly, Josh Hartnett's the serial killer,
and this is all a ruse to get him. But
what the big twist was that his wife was actually
the one that set the trap. It's a trap within
(23:10):
a trap. Okay, that's okay, But there was just too
many things that were wrong. He would have been easily
tracked from the get go. The best thing that he
could have done was to just go with the concert
(23:31):
and be vetted by the cops and then leave. All
of the effort he put forward to try and evade
them was what fucking set all the alarms off, Cause
what are the cops gonna do? If he had a
squeaky ass clean record, what are they gonna do. He's
(23:52):
a firefighter from Philly, he has probably no criminal record.
He's there with his young daughter. Most male serial killers
are in their mid thirties, they're white males, and they
usually are isolated. YadA, YadA, YadA. If you're going with
an actual profile, that is pretty commonplace. If you watched
even a single true crime thing, he would have been
(24:16):
able to just leave. She tore a piece of a
fucking receipt. It didn't have his credit card number on it,
clearly or his name, because then they would have been like, oh,
it's fucking Cooper Abbott.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah. So they had the receipt, the knew he wasn't
to be there, and then he had the tattoo on
his wrist. That's all they had to go off. I
mean specifics other than you know, rough hype. Not good.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it was just too much. I forgot about the tattoo,
which like that was like unexplained, like, oh, he he
would have never gotten a tattoo if he had these
urges this whole time, in his whole life, he would
have made sure. And here's the other thing. I love
Josh Hartnett. He's great in horror.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love the faculty. Even though some people really don't
like that one. I love it for what it is.
Halloween h two is one of my favorite Halloweens. Thirty
Days of Night is incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The faculty, I said, the faculty, Oh, sorry you cut
out so that I've missed that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I apologize, No, I said, it is. It's good for
what it is. I mean, people, if you want to
go through a fine tune. So it's not gonna be
in the Criterion collection, but it's fucking great. This high
school student who's a fucking drug dealer selling sugar to everybody,
and then by the end of the movie he's fucking
Famka Jansen, Like he doesn't get any better than that
in the nineties, really, so he's great in Horror. I
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did not like how he played a serial killer of
just the overt politeness, like, haha, this wide eyed dude,
and I couldn't figure out what was bothering me about
his face. They filled in his fucking gap in his
teeth for the movie.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I just thought he got it fixed. To be honest, he.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Still has it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, that makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't Yeah, I just I don't know, man, it
did it just it fell flat for me, and it
really bummed me out because I thought I actually almost
went to see this in the theater because I saw
the trailer and I was like, all right, I'm glad
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I at least hoped for a media amount of
entertainment for ninety minutes. That's all I was after, and
I got none of that, and my fucking liver paid
for it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, that's you problem. You can't blame the movie
for that. I Kennon, I will shut up so on
that note, I'm gonna run through some quick minutias that
Matt will not care about, but maybe you will. While
being distributed by major studios, Trapp was allowed to resume
Fucking nobody cares about that. That's the whole fucking during
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the writers strike, you know, he and Night financed the
whole thing, so they were allowed to return to work,
which it's still a strike. So I don't get it.
And Mike declared in an interview that the plot was
inspired by the Washington d C Operation Flagship Sting operation
on December fifteenth, nineteen eighty five, which was organized by
the US Marshall Service and the Metropolitan Police to lure
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wanted fugitives to Washington Convention Seger under the pretenses of
free tickets. It resulted in one hundred and one arrests,
one of the largest and most successful mass arrests fugitives
by US law enforcement. Fucking dumb ass fugitives. The character
of Cooper uses an iPhone, which deviates from the rules
Apple tries to enforce where villains aren't allowed to do so.
(27:29):
This is probably because the director financed the film on
his own. I didn't know what Apple had This whole
holier than now. Excuse me, villains, you can't. You can't
use an Apple phone. No, no, everybody uses a fucking Apple.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Surprise me, whatever, right, right, but they want their money.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Also true for conversational scenes in which actors would look
into the camera lens, m Night attached a one way
mirror to the lens that were to reflect off another
mirror and allow the actor in close up to see
the other actor. That's a fun life little camera trick
right there. About ten minutes into the movie, as the
swat cars are approaching on the road, a billboard is
visible in the background advertising the movie The Watchers, which
(28:09):
was produced by M. Knight Shamalan and directed by his daughter,
A Shanna Shamalan. I know the Shamalan family was all
a bunch of entertainers, and.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The Watchers was actually pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I ain't see that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Oh you're gonna love this. According to m Knight, the
pitch and concept of the movie revolved around the question
of what if the Silence of the Lambs happened at
a Taylor Swift concert.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I would not be upset if an asteroid killed me.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right now, I've said that to you like fifteen times
in the last month, Like I wish a comment would
just fucking hit me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I wouldn't even be that said.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You wouldn't be sad if a commet hit me.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, I have it hit me.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Here's the thing. They did a really good job at
baking this basically a Taylor Swift concert, like the dreamer
Girl thing. Taylor has a thing. I know you don't care,
but she does have a thing where she gives a
girl gets selected every concert and during her fucking one song,
she puts a hat on her and gives it to her.
Like that's the extent of it, precious.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm fine with that, But there was another like how
many concerts have you been to her? They're like fifteen
twenty minute set changes and costume changes in between songs.
I highly doubt even Taylor Swift takes more than five
minutes to switch shit.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Out, not even that. I literally have watched the Errors
tour multiple times because my kids love it and it's
better than fucking watching goddamn Blippy or whatever the fuck
they're into this week. And it's the full concert. It's
like start to finish, the whole concert, the whole timeline.
It's three and a half hours, and she's insane. I mean,
(29:48):
say what you will about Taylor Swift. You don't have
to like her music, you don't have to like her
as a person. Whatever. The girl fucking goes.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Oh no, I've heard she runs while singing her songs
to practice, so it's like, dude, good for you, jaman.
She makes a fucking butt fuck ton of money. She's
ruining football, but ruining so she's runing football. I don't.
I don't like the Chiefs. That's a that's a different
fucking conversation. Chiefs, well right there. But NFL and TV
(30:19):
is like shit, she's here that makes money, so that
it's just all part of like it makes it unenjoyable
to watch. But all of that stuff aside, she clearly,
you know, is worth a billion dollars for a reason.
I don't understand the allure to her music, but most
people don't understand the music that I listen to and
why I find it enjoyable. So I'm just not her
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target audience. That's fine, but as a performer, and the
whole fucking point I'm trying to make is there's never
fifteen or twenty minutes in between songs so that someone
can change and you can swap out a set. So
the fact that he goes disappeared and walks around the
fucking stadium and all this shit and then comes back
into songs just starting is like that that ruins the immersion.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, it was like the Laxis concert I've ever seen
in my life. I'm like, he's just like Meanderin. They're
eating dinner before the concert in the venue. Then they're
eating at their seat, then it starts, then they're doing this.
Then they're like if when my daughter's fifteen and I
take her to a concert, she's gonna want to fucking
stand there like I would have at fifteen and watch
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every fucking song. If my dad kept being like, well,
let's go walk over here, I be like, no, I
want to watch the fucking concert. Josh Hartnett did not
watch any media in preparation for his role to make
the character his own, and research psych psycho psychopathy, including
books about serial killers psychopathy. There it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think that's a psychopathic psychopathy. I hate that word.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, it did not scream for critics before it's theatrical release.
There was a reason, as m. Knight was writing the script.
His daughter composed fourteen songs for the film, designed to
match the action on screen. Oh and she released the
whole album for the movie. So if you if you're
itching to listen to some Lady Raven. Matt's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
As Lady Raven, or is said under Silika, probably silika,
Sorry it is Lady Raven. There it is Oh no, no, okay,
hang on, Nope, it all links back to her. I
do want to point out she only has three hundred
and fifty five monthly three hundred and fifty five thousand
monthly listeners on Spotify. In st clown PASSI has two
point one million, So fuck you, you ain't shit Sileika.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Like many of M. Knight's films, the movie is set
in his hometown of Philadelphia, PA, and Josh Hartnett has
a small it ain't small dicetema between his front teeth
that was covered for this role. I did not know
that there was a name for having a gap between
your front two teeth. But here we are.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Learning learn something today.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yep, there it is Selika. Listed Adele Billie Eilish, Rihanna Rosalia,
and Taylor Swift as inspirations for her performance. Yeah. Yeah.
And lastly, the script for this movie was finished in
five and a half months.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I thought you're gonna say five and a half hours,
because that seems like a more ap plausible amount of
time to write.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
This piece of shit would have made fucking sense.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I can't tell if you're mocking me or you're in
an agreement with me.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, I have an agreement. I did not. I did
not like it. Brooke liked it. I'll tell you that
right now. She liked it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
She's too late to get rid of her. Yeah, this
is grounds for separation.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Uh, you know, she's here for the long haul, even
if her movie taste was not up to scruff for you.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So what did she like about it? And like bullet points?
Because we've already talked about this movie way too fucking
long and I'm starting to get hungry.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but her her exposure to
horror has been greatly increased since dating you correct? Right,
So that's what I'm saying. So, so is it enjoyable
to someone that hasn't watched fucking thousands of horror movies
like we have?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Probably she really liked the She liked the concept. She's
not jaded by it.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Look, it was not a bad concept. It was just
not executed well at all.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
She really liked the concept. I mean, and I don't
blame her. Concept is good. However, we are dated and
we're pieces of shit, so it's a big fat nay
for us.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I would rather punch myself in the dick than watch
this movie ever again.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Do it right now?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, that's sorry.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh shit, on that note, that's gonna do it for
this feature at Friday. I'm sorry. We're a little bit
of a damper on this one. This one. Uh yeah,
trap was not good. Trapped Trap, It wasn't good. Go
listen to the band trapped there two thousand and three
hit Headstrong. I think it came out in two thousand
and three. I feel like it did.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Probably they're always in the news though, because they're a
fucking train wreck of a band.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right now, Wait what happened?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Tell me? Oh my god? Uh fuck, I can't remember.
I think the singer keeps getting in arguments on Twitter
with people or some shit that tracks. Apparently they're on
tour and no one's Oh this Metal Injection article. Trapped
is still out there playing to basically nobody, and it's
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a picture of like a big concert hall and there's
maybe fifty people there. Yeah, forty people attending a trap shows.
The band flubs the intro Rift to Heads from.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Two thousand and two. I was so close. It came
out in twenty two, twenty two years ago, is it?
On that note? Thank you for joining us on this
featurette Friday Monster Madness. If you have anything that you
would like us to chat about, please send it our way.
I will have a couple of solo featurettes coming up
(36:28):
soon if I haven't already done them for books that
I read, because Matt doesn't know how to read. M Yeah,
enjoy it. Enjoy your Friday. We enjoy you, we love you.
We'd enjoy this one, Bhie.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
They may I feel such rage, Tony Rachel.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I've never felt this before. That's a difference.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
That's about being seen by them at the end. The
way they look at me, it's streams. It gives me bees.
There's almost no darkness in it at all. This is
(37:26):
pure anger. It's so unfamiliar. It's like it's eating me
from the inside. I feel out of control. But it's
(37:48):
why I'm angry. That's amazing. It's because I won't see
where I logan again because of you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't get to see them grow up, and that's
overwhelming me. Look at us.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I's gonna end in the average way. It's like a
murder suicide.
Hello, Hello, and welcome to a new feature at Friday
episode of your favorite horror movie podcast, Monster Madness. I'm Erica.
Joined with me is a man who is not a
fan of Swiss cheese, or at least Swiss cheese movies.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My boy, Matt, you can't miss with Swiss. Swiss cheese
is the top tier cheese. You could put it on everything.
It's gonna be a great time. Like you said, though,
Swiss cheese movies not ideal. I am not looking forward
to this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
On a tiered list, you got yours, Yarlsberg, Gruyere, Swiss.
What's the ranking?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They're all pretty fucking close to each other.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So that's a.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Strange question I have. I've had the most Swiss, then
Greey and then jarles Berger, so I'm just gonna go
in that order. I mean, they're interfucking changeable pretty much.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, I've used.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
All those sharp shudder.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's is that god tear? I mean yeah, extra sharp checker, extra.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sharp Cheddar makes all your bad feelings good.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Feelings, that's true, and then in about an hour or
two you have bad feelings again, But then you get
good feelings again. Once all the bad feelings.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Come out yep.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So on this feature at Friday, we're talking about twenty
twenty four's Trap before we get into that breaking news, Matt,
I literally just read this before we started.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's just Trapped, but it's not the popular act band trapped.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You said trapped, Oh I did, didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I you are not headstrong.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We're not echoing.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I said you're not headstrong.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Echo is another song, dumb ass. I'm vibing off you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh, I like care about is that one song?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
God Man? That was a vibe when that song came out.
I'm gonna keep saying trapped by accident though, trap hard pieces,
hard piece, but breaking news, not horror related. I did
see this before we started recording. Did you see that
Dave Grol had an extramarital affair and now has a
(02:15):
new baby. He's been married for twenty three years.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's fucking Dave Grol.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, he's Dave Grol. He has no fucking he has
no chin, he has no fucking jaw.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
There is that all I'm saying. He's just he's not
infallible as a human being.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I know, but you know, I always find it strange
when celebrities are just like, hey, guys, just so you
know I had a baby, because it's gonna be breaking news.
Why do I give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
A whoopsy doodle?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Is it a whoopsy doodle?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Though?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
My duke accidentally fell into her in a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Tripped and fell. Yeah, yeah, maybe he was a premature
ejaculator and as soon as his panis gets near a vagina,
a just.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Goose's what made me laugh the most was he was
just like, you know, I love my wife and my children,
and I'm gonna do everything I can to earn their
trust back. Well, if you loved your wife, your dick
wouldn't have, you know, snaked into someone else. And the
snake imagery I want you all to have is that
(03:22):
little game that's on old phones, just going around trying
to get that little dot instead of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
A little black that little dot that's blonde women.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I guess I guess that's his vibe. But anyway, we're
talking twenty twenty fours trap.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
What's what's on the police trucks outside of the cameras everywhere, Jamie,
something happening.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm not supposed to tell them. Don't ram me out,
I won't, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
The butcher mmmm a freaking nutshot that goes around just
chopping people up.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well, the fancer whatever heard that he's gonna be here today,
so they set up a trap for him.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
This whole concert it's a trap. Wow here.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, they're watching all the exits. They're checking everyone
that leaves. There's no way to get.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Out of here.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I sit backstage, I guess, but no one can get backstage.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
See.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It's kind of dope, right, Yeah, don't tell you what
I'll get.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'll get in deep crab.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This movie is a rated PG thirteen and has a
runtime of one hour and forty five minutes. It's directed
by M. Night Shamalan.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What I just saw the greatest fucking tweet regarding this
Dave Girl thing that I needed to share with You
tell her right now. A lot of men have recently
become the fathers of new baby daughters born on set
of Dave Girl's marriage. You don't hear them breaking about it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Nice love it. It was written and directed by M.
Knight Shamalan. It was released on August's second, twenty twenty four.
It stars Josh Hartnett, Ariel Donahue, Selika Shamalan, Alison pill
Hayley Mills, Jonathan Langdon, Mark Bacola, Marni McPhail, kid Cuddy.
(05:22):
Someone just named Russ literally his name, oh Russ Vattel.
There it is Marcilla Bennett, Vanessa Smyth, M. Knight, Shamalan
and Lachlan Miller. It was produced by Blinding Edge Pictures
and the Government of Canada Income Tax Credit Program. It
was distributed by Warner Brothers. What's the M stand for
(05:45):
in M Night? Minaj Okay minaj Knight Shamalan.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm butchering it shut yeah, Schamalan Okay,
Night isn't really his middle name. It's Nella yet tui
n e l iya two ttu.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You just said a lot of things. I need you
to know that when people spell things at me, I
literally lose the ability to read or hear words.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's fine. I'm just saying like, it's nowhere near the
word night.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Hey man, it's night in his heart.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It was filmed from octogener I really don't want to
talk about this movie.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh Jesus, well, it's too bad. It's too bad. We're here.
One of us is queer. It was filmed from October sixteenth,
twenty twenty thirty, twenty three to December thirteenth, twenty twenty three.
Some taglines. There's only two A new m Night Shyamalan
experience and the last one thirty thousand fans, three hundred cops,
one serial killer, no escape.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The only trap I felt was watching this movie.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh god, it's t here's in my eyes. So let
me bring up the plot.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's just ninety minutes of staring at white dog shit.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I have to, you know, let the audience in on
a couple of things. Number one, Matt texted me that
he was watching this, and I think he was mildly,
you know, interested in it. At first, I was super
excited about it, and then it quickly devolved. I'm doing
dishes just to get through this piece of shit was
(07:23):
the direct question.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I started drinking too.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There it is, so I will be reading this one.
But I do have a very I am in line
with your opinion. This is not a good movie. It
is not a ya. It's definitely a nay. There are
many plot holes. Your one plot hole was kind of
I think just your rage more than anything, because.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Which one we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I have one giant opinion about M Night after
seeing a majority of his movies. This felt very different
than anything else he had done. But I'll get to
that a minute. So the plot of this movie, and
(08:10):
mind you, this whole play like everything with m Night,
it takes place in Philadelphia, so I see my hometown.
The arena that they filmed in, even though they stated
I think they said like the film locations were filmed
in Ontario, Canada, it's basically the Wells Fargo Center, which
is down in Philadelphia. I literally was just at a
(08:31):
concert there less than a year ago and it looked
exactly the same. I don't know if he made it
that way or he actually filmed in there, but either
which way, Philadelphia, So it was cool to see my hometown. Philadelphia.
Firefighter Cooper Abbott takes his teenage daughter Riley to popstar
(08:52):
Lady Raven's concert as a reward for her good grades. There,
Cooper notices the unusual amount of the unusually high police
presence around the concert venue. He learns from a vendor
named Jamie that the FBI plans to catch a serial
killer known as the Butcher. Having learned he will be
in attendance, Cooper is revealed to be the butcher himself
(09:14):
secretly checking footage on his phone of his latest captive victim, Spencer.
In a basement, he steals Jamie's ID card and learns
the past phrase that will identify him as an employee,
using the card to gain access to a back room
and steal a police radio.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hearing a woman Okay, hold on, I am gonna piss
him about this turd on. Well, well, it's happening in
real time, so hey the merch guy, yeah, says I
shouldn't tell anybody this, but I'm gonna tell you. Yeah,
And that is like the only other thing I shouldn't
be telling you is the thing that will get you
(09:51):
out of this fucking building.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Like, come on, okay, that is a huge obvious plot hole.
Because number one, it's it's just dumb. Here's the thing.
If there was a sting that large to find a
serial killer who only had killed twelve people, let's be real,
that's not that many.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, that was amateur numbers.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Boy lo lo. Number one, My biggest critique is that
I've been to the Wells Figre Center at numerous times.
I've been to venues numerous times. There's cameras everywhere. They
would fucking see him, immediately pick him out of a
(10:35):
fucking He is not an eagle in a haystack. He
is the fucking haystack.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Mm hm. A middle aged white guy at a fucking
pop star concert sticks out already.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
My second thing, and it comes with the guy, you know,
the the vendor. If an if FBI is working a sting,
they are not telling one hundred and fifty employees what
they're doing. They're going to keep everybody in the dark
as much as possible, because that's what a sting operation is.
(11:12):
It's baiting and switching and deceiving. Not hey, everybody in
this fucking venue knows everything. Here's your passcode. Even if
they did tell the vendors, every single section would have
a different passcode and you would have to have verification
of that passcode, Not like, who I film this wallet
with this fucking cord that says whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That that's we'll get there when we get there. But
that was another thing that really pissed me off. But
uh yeah, I lost my thought there. It's probably better
this way anyways, that's fine. Oh oh sorry. He also mentions,
I'm pretty sure that's at this point, he mentions that
the concert was made to catch him.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You misunderstood that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes? You did, And that's where I wanted to address.
The one thing that you got wrong was that that
concert was not made to catch him.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Adjusted to catch him because spoiler alert, because obviously we're
spoiling the whole movie. His wife wanted him to get
caught because she was already onto him while she knows
that the FBI was hunting for him, so she ripped
the ticket stub and left it so that cops would
look into the concert hoping to find him.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
By that point in the movie, I was so fucking
checked out, But I thought, and then, okay, fine, it
still doesn't make there's no redemption at all. No, but
it would have been real fucking sloppy writing if that
is what it was. So I guess I'm fuck this movie.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's fine, that's fine, your opinion still stands.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Let's all go to the lobby.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all do a
little lobby to get ourselves a treat. Would he like
to do a concert? I'm a theater teacher for the
fifth graders. It must be so much work. I can't
even imagine it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Was actually very strange today, not like a normal concert day.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh really, why is that?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Do you know who the butcher is? Rachel the butcher?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Do you mean crazy person who does that to people?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yes, I've heard of him. Ah, he's a monster, that's
all I can say.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
My friends and I have had nightmares.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, apparently he made a mistake. About two weeks ago.
The FBI and police came to me and they told
me they had found out he was going to be
at my concert today. They found a portion of a
receipt for ticket bounded in one of his fake houses.
They're fairly certain are his. For some reason, he bought
tickets to my concert. We had no idea why. Most
(14:09):
of my fans are teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh god, did you catch him?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Did they tell you anything about him? They did.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
They said he was probably a man in his thirties
or early forties. White, He probably has a position of authority.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They even know he drives a dark colored car.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They photos of his car.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, they know from the precision of the crime scenes
in fake houses. He's what's called an organized defender, probably OCD.
Those individuals always drive dark cars because they appear cleaner.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Wow, they're so smart. They've sure learned a lot about him.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I had no idea they knew all this.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
He was a man who had a scarring relationship with
his mother. She was probably the first person to sense
he was different.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What a stressful day you must have had. You must
be tired.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I feel like you have to stay here to be polite.
You've been so incredibly kind to Riley. Let me walk
you to the door.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Hearing a woman predict his movements over the radio, Cooper
sets off an explosion in a food stands kitchen and
uses the chaos to access the roof, where he learns.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
From a police officer to your earlier point. If they
had cameras, they would have seen him dump a bunch
of bottles in a fucking fryer easily.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Again, next time, anybody listening, even you met, next time
you were in a mall, a venue. You're in venues
all the fucking time. Look look up, there's cameras everywhere anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, how are you even going to get back into
a kitchen to get to a fryar to be able
to dump bottles in there for them to explode without
someone being like, what the fuck are you doing? Guy?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I forget, didn't he he did something before that to
distract people so that he could.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Do that some distraction. But you're telling me, was this
the one when he pushed the girl down the stairs?
But you're telling me there wasn't one person that was like,
what are you doing? Man? Like, even if they were
watching the girl to figure out what's going on, they
would have seen this guy like it's just yeah, no,
there are thirty thousand people like how is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now the first push? The push down the stairs was
the first attempt of him trying to get the cops
away from the door, but there was cops outside blocking
the doors, and the cops inside were the ones that
aided the girl. Hearing a woman predicting his movements over
the radio, Cooper sets off an explosion in a foodstance
kitchen and uses the chaos to access the roof, where
he learns from a police officer that the manhunt is
(16:29):
led by doctor Josephine Grant, an FBI profiler. Confused by
Cooper's behavior, Riley asked him to stay with her. She
talks about being chosen as Lady Raven's dreamer girl who
gets to dance on stage with the singer and receives
backstage access, which Cooper believes has the only exit not
covered by the police. Cooper lies to Lady Raven's uncle
(16:50):
that Riley recently recovered from leukemia, getting her selected to
be the Dreamer Girl. However, after the concert ends, Cooper
learns that the police are also guarding the backstage exit.
He privately reveals himself, Oh god, I'm saying that on
the Instagram laker. Oh shit, Oh jesus. He probably reveals
himself as as the butcher to Lady Raven, listening to
(17:14):
remotely kill Spencer if she does not escort him and
Riley out of her limousine. She could complies, but asked
to come to Riley's house, where she stalls for time
by explaining the FBI operation to the family, unsettling Cooper
by describing Grant's profile of him as someone with maternal
issues and obsessive compulsive disorder, which they showcased a little bit,
(17:36):
which I liked. That was the only thing I liked.
I was like, they did make note if you paid
attention to Josh Hartnett's movements of like everything he did
was very cleanly. He folded his napkin a certain way.
He didn't just dump his food on the floor. He
did not leave traces of his DNA. I was like, Okay,
I'm liking this so far. They had me in the
first half. I'm not gonna lie. They had me a
(17:56):
little bit in the first fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it wasn't a complete shith out of the gate, no.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
She also explains that the police discovered details about the
butcher's attendance at the concert via a torn ticket receipt
left in a vacant house that was reported anonymously. Lady
Raven steals Cooper's phone and locks herself in the bathroom.
She obtains details from Spencer about where he was taken
and live streams it to her fans, one of whom
finds and rescues him. She outs Cooper to his wife, Rachel,
(18:24):
and he locks his family upstairs while Lady Raven texts
her driver to contact the police. Cooper attempts to drive
off with Lady Raven, but Cooper's family escapes and distracts
him long enough for her to flee into her limousine.
The police arrive, and Cooper flees the house through a
secret tunnel before disguising himself using a SWAT uniform and
driving the limousine off with Lady Raven. After he reveals
(18:45):
his identity, she unlocks the window and draws a mob
of fans to stop him so the FBI can catch up,
but Cooper changes into a fresh set of civilian clothes
and gets away. Cooper returns home and confronts Rachel, and
Rachel confesses that she she had suspected he was the
butcher and left the receipt in the vacant house for
the police to find, thus revealing that she was the
(19:06):
one who tipped them off. Cooper decides to kill her
and then himself, but Rachel persuades him to share some
leftover pie made for Riley. After Cooper admits his hatred
for Rachel in causing him to miss seeing his children
grow up, he realizes that Rachel drugged the pie with
pills from his tool bag, leading him to hallucinate his mother,
expressing pride in him for feeling a real emotion. The
(19:27):
hallucination is actually Grant, impersonating Cooper's mother to calm him down.
He is tazed by SWAT officers as he walks up
to her. As he is led away, he stops to
adjust Riley's bicycle and this pissed me off so fucking bad.
I was like, I can clearly see he's taking a
wire out of the fucking bike. Is novgain paying attention?
He has five guns on him, but okay, and shares
(19:49):
a tearful embrace with her before being loaded into the
police fan. As it drives away, Cooper starts to pick
his cuff with the bicycle spoke he secretly took, not
secretly laughing to himself in a midias credit seeing Jamie
Larrence of Cooper's identity while watching the news. Which is
probably the best part of the movie, was that little
It wasn't even MiG credits. It was literally before the
credits you told me not to watch it. I didn't
(20:13):
say that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah you did. You said there's a mid credit now,
was that you? No? Someone else was not was not.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So that was the plot of Traps, Like m Night.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Shamlin was like, Hey, I have this daughter who wants
to be a singer. I'll just make a movie about her,
and then worked backwards to make the worst fucking movie manageable.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, so we all know m Night from all of
his movies that have cover some have been really good,
some have been shit. I absolutely love Signs. I love
the Village. I saw Six Cents when I was a kid,
and it fucking traumatized me, and I have not watched
it since, but I want to revisit it after watching
(20:57):
this movie. Actually, I just remember me Barton, that little
girl who was being poisoned by lysol, like just vomiting
in her bed. I watched that as like a seven
year old, and I was like, what the fuck is
my mom trying to kill me? I saw Unbreakable one time,
I've seen Split. I saw that Lady in the Water,
I think, and I think that's all of them. I
(21:18):
might be missing one or two. Lady in the Water
was his weakest one before this one. In my opinion,
what bothers me about this movie is like I feel
like m Night is taking all of the qualities of
his movies that make his movies so unique and so
fun and good to watch because you know that there's
(21:41):
gonna be a massive twist. I didn't feel that way
when I watched Signs, Like there wasn't like this crazy
twist at the end, Like, oh, they fucking dissolve when
you throw water on them. Swing away, Meryl. That wasn't
like a shocking twist to me because I had already
seen or you know, had to talk to my dad
about like War of the Worlds where fucking common cold
killed those aliens. Right, quick spoiler alert for that movie.
(22:05):
The Village had an incredible twist if you have ever
seen that movie. I don't want to spoil it because
I know my girlfriend hasn't seen it and I want
her to watch it and she listens to our episodes.
But you know, The Village incredible twist at the end,
sixth sense. Everybody knows that he was fucking dead the
whole time. Incredible twist. This I feel like he was
(22:26):
he saw how good Jordan Peel's movies are and wanted
to kind of be like that, but fell flat on
his fucking face. He wanted the horror aspect with pepperdin humor,
and you know, the the vendor was the main focal
(22:47):
point of the funny and it just didn't fucking work
because you expect an m Night Shyamalan movie. I knew
right away when I read the tagline on the poster,
I'm like, okay, so clearly, Josh Hartnett's the serial killer,
and this is all a ruse to get him. But
what the big twist was that his wife was actually
the one that set the trap. It's a trap within
(23:10):
a trap. Okay, that's okay, But there was just too
many things that were wrong. He would have been easily
tracked from the get go. The best thing that he
could have done was to just go with the concert
(23:31):
and be vetted by the cops and then leave. All
of the effort he put forward to try and evade
them was what fucking set all the alarms off, Cause
what are the cops gonna do? If he had a
squeaky ass clean record, what are they gonna do. He's
(23:52):
a firefighter from Philly, he has probably no criminal record.
He's there with his young daughter. Most male serial killers
are in their mid thirties, they're white males, and they
usually are isolated. YadA, YadA, YadA. If you're going with
an actual profile, that is pretty commonplace. If you watched
even a single true crime thing, he would have been
(24:16):
able to just leave. She tore a piece of a
fucking receipt. It didn't have his credit card number on it,
clearly or his name, because then they would have been like, oh,
it's fucking Cooper Abbott.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah. So they had the receipt, the knew he wasn't
to be there, and then he had the tattoo on
his wrist. That's all they had to go off. I
mean specifics other than you know, rough hype. Not good.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it was just too much. I forgot about the tattoo,
which like that was like unexplained, like, oh, he he
would have never gotten a tattoo if he had these
urges this whole time, in his whole life, he would
have made sure. And here's the other thing. I love
Josh Hartnett. He's great in horror.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love the faculty. Even though some people really don't
like that one. I love it for what it is.
Halloween h two is one of my favorite Halloweens. Thirty
Days of Night is incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The faculty, I said, the faculty, Oh, sorry you cut
out so that I've missed that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I apologize, No, I said, it is. It's good for
what it is. I mean, people, if you want to
go through a fine tune. So it's not gonna be
in the Criterion collection, but it's fucking great. This high
school student who's a fucking drug dealer selling sugar to everybody,
and then by the end of the movie he's fucking
Famka Jansen, Like he doesn't get any better than that
in the nineties, really, so he's great in Horror. I
(25:36):
did not like how he played a serial killer of
just the overt politeness, like, haha, this wide eyed dude,
and I couldn't figure out what was bothering me about
his face. They filled in his fucking gap in his
teeth for the movie.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I just thought he got it fixed. To be honest, he.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Still has it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, that makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't Yeah, I just I don't know, man, it
did it just it fell flat for me, and it
really bummed me out because I thought I actually almost
went to see this in the theater because I saw
the trailer and I was like, all right, I'm glad
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I at least hoped for a media amount of
entertainment for ninety minutes. That's all I was after, and
I got none of that, and my fucking liver paid
for it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, that's you problem. You can't blame the movie
for that. I Kennon, I will shut up so on
that note, I'm gonna run through some quick minutias that
Matt will not care about, but maybe you will. While
being distributed by major studios, Trapp was allowed to resume
Fucking nobody cares about that. That's the whole fucking during
(26:45):
the writers strike, you know, he and Night financed the
whole thing, so they were allowed to return to work,
which it's still a strike. So I don't get it.
And Mike declared in an interview that the plot was
inspired by the Washington d C Operation Flagship Sting operation
on December fifteenth, nineteen eighty five, which was organized by
the US Marshall Service and the Metropolitan Police to lure
(27:07):
wanted fugitives to Washington Convention Seger under the pretenses of
free tickets. It resulted in one hundred and one arrests,
one of the largest and most successful mass arrests fugitives
by US law enforcement. Fucking dumb ass fugitives. The character
of Cooper uses an iPhone, which deviates from the rules
Apple tries to enforce where villains aren't allowed to do so.
(27:29):
This is probably because the director financed the film on
his own. I didn't know what Apple had This whole
holier than now. Excuse me, villains, you can't. You can't
use an Apple phone. No, no, everybody uses a fucking Apple.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Surprise me, whatever, right, right, but they want their money.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Also true for conversational scenes in which actors would look
into the camera lens, m Night attached a one way
mirror to the lens that were to reflect off another
mirror and allow the actor in close up to see
the other actor. That's a fun life little camera trick
right there. About ten minutes into the movie, as the
swat cars are approaching on the road, a billboard is
visible in the background advertising the movie The Watchers, which
(28:09):
was produced by M. Knight Shamalan and directed by his daughter,
A Shanna Shamalan. I know the Shamalan family was all
a bunch of entertainers, and.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The Watchers was actually pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I ain't see that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Oh you're gonna love this. According to m Knight, the
pitch and concept of the movie revolved around the question
of what if the Silence of the Lambs happened at
a Taylor Swift concert.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I would not be upset if an asteroid killed me.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right now, I've said that to you like fifteen times
in the last month, Like I wish a comment would
just fucking hit me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I wouldn't even be that said.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You wouldn't be sad if a commet hit me.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, I have it hit me.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Here's the thing. They did a really good job at
baking this basically a Taylor Swift concert, like the dreamer
Girl thing. Taylor has a thing. I know you don't care,
but she does have a thing where she gives a
girl gets selected every concert and during her fucking one song,
she puts a hat on her and gives it to her.
Like that's the extent of it, precious.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm fine with that, But there was another like how
many concerts have you been to her? They're like fifteen
twenty minute set changes and costume changes in between songs.
I highly doubt even Taylor Swift takes more than five
minutes to switch shit.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Out, not even that. I literally have watched the Errors
tour multiple times because my kids love it and it's
better than fucking watching goddamn Blippy or whatever the fuck
they're into this week. And it's the full concert. It's
like start to finish, the whole concert, the whole timeline.
It's three and a half hours, and she's insane. I mean,
(29:48):
say what you will about Taylor Swift. You don't have
to like her music, you don't have to like her
as a person. Whatever. The girl fucking goes.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Oh no, I've heard she runs while singing her songs
to practice, so it's like, dude, good for you, jaman.
She makes a fucking butt fuck ton of money. She's
ruining football, but ruining so she's runing football. I don't.
I don't like the Chiefs. That's a that's a different
fucking conversation. Chiefs, well right there. But NFL and TV
(30:19):
is like shit, she's here that makes money, so that
it's just all part of like it makes it unenjoyable
to watch. But all of that stuff aside, she clearly,
you know, is worth a billion dollars for a reason.
I don't understand the allure to her music, but most
people don't understand the music that I listen to and
why I find it enjoyable. So I'm just not her
(30:39):
target audience. That's fine, but as a performer, and the
whole fucking point I'm trying to make is there's never
fifteen or twenty minutes in between songs so that someone
can change and you can swap out a set. So
the fact that he goes disappeared and walks around the
fucking stadium and all this shit and then comes back
into songs just starting is like that that ruins the immersion.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, it was like the Laxis concert I've ever seen
in my life. I'm like, he's just like Meanderin. They're
eating dinner before the concert in the venue. Then they're
eating at their seat, then it starts, then they're doing this.
Then they're like if when my daughter's fifteen and I
take her to a concert, she's gonna want to fucking
stand there like I would have at fifteen and watch
(31:22):
every fucking song. If my dad kept being like, well,
let's go walk over here, I be like, no, I
want to watch the fucking concert. Josh Hartnett did not
watch any media in preparation for his role to make
the character his own, and research psych psycho psychopathy, including
books about serial killers psychopathy. There it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think that's a psychopathic psychopathy. I hate that word.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, it did not scream for critics before it's theatrical release.
There was a reason, as m. Knight was writing the script.
His daughter composed fourteen songs for the film, designed to
match the action on screen. Oh and she released the
whole album for the movie. So if you if you're
itching to listen to some Lady Raven. Matt's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
As Lady Raven, or is said under Silika, probably silika,
Sorry it is Lady Raven. There it is Oh no, no, okay,
hang on, Nope, it all links back to her. I
do want to point out she only has three hundred
and fifty five monthly three hundred and fifty five thousand
monthly listeners on Spotify. In st clown PASSI has two
point one million, So fuck you, you ain't shit Sileika.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Like many of M. Knight's films, the movie is set
in his hometown of Philadelphia, PA, and Josh Hartnett has
a small it ain't small dicetema between his front teeth
that was covered for this role. I did not know
that there was a name for having a gap between
your front two teeth. But here we are.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Learning learn something today.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yep, there it is Selika. Listed Adele Billie Eilish, Rihanna Rosalia,
and Taylor Swift as inspirations for her performance. Yeah. Yeah.
And lastly, the script for this movie was finished in
five and a half months.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I thought you're gonna say five and a half hours,
because that seems like a more ap plausible amount of
time to write.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
This piece of shit would have made fucking sense.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I can't tell if you're mocking me or you're in
an agreement with me.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, I have an agreement. I did not. I did
not like it. Brooke liked it. I'll tell you that
right now. She liked it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
She's too late to get rid of her. Yeah, this
is grounds for separation.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Uh, you know, she's here for the long haul, even
if her movie taste was not up to scruff for you.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So what did she like about it? And like bullet points?
Because we've already talked about this movie way too fucking
long and I'm starting to get hungry.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but her her exposure to
horror has been greatly increased since dating you correct? Right,
So that's what I'm saying. So, so is it enjoyable
to someone that hasn't watched fucking thousands of horror movies
like we have?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Probably she really liked the She liked the concept. She's
not jaded by it.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Look, it was not a bad concept. It was just
not executed well at all.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
She really liked the concept. I mean, and I don't
blame her. Concept is good. However, we are dated and
we're pieces of shit, so it's a big fat nay
for us.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I would rather punch myself in the dick than watch
this movie ever again.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Do it right now?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, that's sorry.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Oh shit, on that note, that's gonna do it for
this feature at Friday. I'm sorry. We're a little bit
of a damper on this one. This one. Uh yeah,
trap was not good. Trapped Trap, It wasn't good. Go
listen to the band trapped there two thousand and three
hit Headstrong. I think it came out in two thousand
and three. I feel like it did.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Probably they're always in the news though, because they're a
fucking train wreck of a band.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right now, Wait what happened?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Tell me? Oh my god? Uh fuck, I can't remember.
I think the singer keeps getting in arguments on Twitter
with people or some shit that tracks. Apparently they're on
tour and no one's Oh this Metal Injection article. Trapped
is still out there playing to basically nobody, and it's
(35:51):
a picture of like a big concert hall and there's
maybe fifty people there. Yeah, forty people attending a trap shows.
The band flubs the intro Rift to Heads from.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Two thousand and two. I was so close. It came
out in twenty two, twenty two years ago, is it?
On that note? Thank you for joining us on this
featurette Friday Monster Madness. If you have anything that you
would like us to chat about, please send it our way.
I will have a couple of solo featurettes coming up
(36:28):
soon if I haven't already done them for books that
I read, because Matt doesn't know how to read. M Yeah,
enjoy it. Enjoy your Friday. We enjoy you, we love you.
We'd enjoy this one, Bhie.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
They may I feel such rage, Tony Rachel.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I've never felt this before. That's a difference.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
That's about being seen by them at the end. The
way they look at me, it's streams. It gives me bees.
There's almost no darkness in it at all. This is
(37:26):
pure anger. It's so unfamiliar. It's like it's eating me
from the inside. I feel out of control. But it's
(37:48):
why I'm angry. That's amazing. It's because I won't see
where I logan again because of you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't get to see them grow up, and that's
overwhelming me. Look at us.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I's gonna end in the average way. It's like a
murder suicide.
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