There was once a law many years ago in Montana that basically said women were not allowed to fish alone! Well, move over guys because women in Montana are becoming Outdoors Women. This week on the Montana Outdoor Podcast your host Downrigger Dale talks with Kylie Kembel, Coordinator of the BOW or Becoming an Outdoors Women program at Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. Kylie talks about all the different skills that women can learn in the different BOW events that she and her staff put on throughout the year. Ladies can learn how to icefish, flyfish, backpack, snowshoe, gain backcountry survival skills and list goes on and on, even how to make soap out of parts of the wild game that they learn how to harvest! How do they do that? Click the play button above and listen and find out. In fact, one of Rigger’s daughters attended one of the programs and she loved it! There is just a tremendous number of things that women can learn that will put them on the way to discovering Montana’s Outdoors in a way that they may have never thought possible. And for all you guys out there this podcast is for you as well! Do you possess an outdoor skill that you would like to share with others? BOW is always looking for those that can teach outdoor skills to the BOW participants. Listen to find how you can get involved. So, ladies what are you waiting for? Listen to this podcast and learn how to get involved! Don’t forget, the Montana Outdoor Podcast is now on video! You can watch any time on YouTube by clicking here! This is the second video podcast but most all of them will be on video from now on. You of course can still listen to the audio version from any podcast site or by returning to this site every week.
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Bow 1 - Mic 1 (01:10):
Thank you very much, Manny.
And welcome.
Welcome all of you to theMontana Outdoor Podcast studio.
So great to have you here and Iwanna welcome a uh, special send
out.
Welcome to, uh, the Men andWomen of the United States Armed
Forces for.
Listening to this podcastdeployed all around the world.
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It's such an honor to have allof you here.
And, um, for all the rest ofyou, uh, thank you as well for
jumping on in here.
We do appreciate it.
Have a favor to ask everyonelistening here today, and that
is please share this podcastwith your family and friends.
Go to social media, whereveryou'd like to share it.
We always love to have youalong.
(01:51):
Um, now, today I wanna talkabout something that is very
near and dear to my heart, notjust because I am a, uh, father
of eight daughters and onestepdaughter.
All incredible ladies on theirown.
But, uh, also just because it's,it is just really a, a great
(02:12):
program.
It, it encourages.
Women to get out and discoverMontana's great outdoors and
really, it's, it's a nationalprogram.
It, it goes all around the, uh,the nation, uh, with me today
is, uh, Kylie Kimball.
uh, she is the coordinator forthe Becoming an Outdoors Woman
(02:34):
or, um, Bo BOW program.
This podcast, Kylie has gone allaround, uh, the world and has
grown incredibly.
I, I'm just blown away by, uh,how it has grown.
We're now in the top 1% of, uh,podcasts in the nation, which,
(02:56):
uh, is just blows me away.
And thank you to all of ourlisteners for that.
So when you were on lastFebruary.
A lot of people that arelistening right now may not have
heard that podcast.
So, before we get into what, uh,the bow program has been up to
lately, let's talk a bit aboutwhat you do for the program and
for, uh, Montana Fish, wildlifeand Parks.
Kylie BOW 1 (03:19):
Absolutely.
I actually run two programs forFish, wildlife and Parks.
One of them, the Becoming AnOutdoors Woman, but also the
Voter Safety Education Program.
I.
And sometimes those overlap likewhen we do, uh, kayaking
classes.
my job is primarily to organizevolunteers and community events
(03:41):
to kind of get these skills, ahands-on learning skills.
Opportunities to Montana.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (03:49):
And you do a great job of it.
Um, and I can speak fromexperience because my daughter,
uh, Davis was just in one ofyour programs, uh, on both.
She was in the, um, the, thebirdwatching program that you
guys just did.
She absolutely loved it.
Uh, yeah, she just loved it.
(04:11):
And, uh, is so excited to getinvolved in more of your
programs.
So.
Kudos to you there.
Uh, I just may convince her oneof these days to go fishing with
me.
Now she is discovering theoutdoors.
She is becoming an outdoorswoman.
Rigger BOW 1 (04:30):
So
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (04:31):
I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm just thrilled about
that because when you live inMontana, I mean, if you're not
spending some time in theoutdoors, you're missing.
The, the greatest gift of allthat this state gives you.
Um, so let's talk a bit aboutwhat you guys have been up to,
(04:51):
um, lately.
Um, talk about so far this year,some of the programs that you've
done.
I mean, we've mentioned the BirdWatching Program, but go over
some of the programs, uh, thatyou've done so far.
Kylie BOW 1 (05:04):
Absolutely.
So.
Annually we get to do ourKalispell ice fishing class.
But this year we tried outsomething new in Helena.
We tried an intermediate icefishing class and really that
was just an opportunity forpeople who'd taken the class and
haven't invested in theequipment, but wanna keep trying
it and wanna keep getting outthere and meeting new people.
(05:26):
So that was a fun opportunitythat we had.
It was just a group of us and wejust went fishing for the
morning.
We've also started, uh, thisyear I was very excited to bring
wild game soap making back and alocal area biologist actually in
the Helena area, taught me theskill and I was like, well, you
have to share this with Bo.
(05:46):
People are gonna love it.
So I was very
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (05:48):
Wild game soap making.
Now give us kind of the, a, abrief description of what that
is.
Kylie BOW 1 (05:56):
Yeah, so soap making is a, is a pretty easy
skill, surprisingly, and it'ssomething that you can do.
You don't have to harvest game,but our take on it is when you
do harvest game, just one moreway for you to use the animal
and all the parts is to, toharvest all of that fat tall.
(06:17):
You render it down just like youwould, um, livestock and that
tallow is something that youcould buy in the shelves you use
it for cooking a lot of times.
Well, if you add li and water toit and some pretty sense, you
actually can make soap.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (06:37):
Py Dang.
Now that, that I, I imagine iswhat they did back in the
frontier days.
That's, that's how they hadsoap.
Wow.
Cool.
Uh, now I have heard that likebeef towel that's been, uh,
talked about now I, I see it onlots of different commercials
and stuff on tv that, that'slike supposed to be great for
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your skin.
Kylie BOW 1 (06:59):
It is, it's very moisturizing and we like to mix
it up a little bit and addcoconut oil or some tallows and
you can get a little softer soapthat suds a little more, but the
more.
Livestock or game tallow thatyou're using.
The softer it is on your hands,but still just as cleansing.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:21):
I love it.
Now, I'm gonna see the look onsome guy's faces when, when, uh,
gals that have gone to yourprogram say, honey, uh, gimme
the rest of that deer.
'cause I'm gonna make us somesoap and watch'em go.
What?
That's really cool.
Uh, now does that take a longtime to, to make, or is it a, is
(07:41):
it a pretty simple process?
Kylie BOW 1 (07:43):
The rendering process can take quite a while.
That's a full
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:46):
Oh, okay.
Kylie BOW 1 (07:47):
for a few pounds.
Uh,'cause you gotta boil it downvery slowly.
You don't wanna burn it, but theactual soap making, so once you
have the tallow, the actual soapmaking, you can do in an hour or
two.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:59):
Wow.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:00):
Geez,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:01):
Geez.
Who would've thought that isreally cool.
Um,
Rigger BOW 1 (08:05):
now
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:06):
the, the BO program, I, I mentioned just
briefly when in the introductionhere that that is, uh.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:12):
uh,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:13):
Also a national program started in at the
University of Wisconsin, like 24or 25 years ago.
How long has it been going onhere in Montana.
Kylie BOW 1 (08:25):
Yeah, so it's actually been in Montana, um, 31
years.
It, it started in 1994.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:31):
Really?
Kylie BOW 1 (08:32):
Yeah, so a few more
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:33):
Okay.
I'll be danged.
I had no idea.
Um, and how long have you beeninvolved in the program?
Kylie BOW 1 (08:41):
This is my third year.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:43):
Third year as the coordinator.
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (08:47):
the program when I was invited to be a guest
speaker in thir 2013, I believe.
I had met one of the volunteerson a eco tour to Churchill,
Manitoba, and she came back andtalked to the coordinator and
brought me in to talk about ourtrip.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (09:05):
Hmm.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Um.
Rigger BOW 1 (09:10):
as
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (09:10):
far as, uh, the program in Montana, how has it
evolved?
Um, maybe give us an idea of theearly days and, and where it's
at now.
Has it, has it always had allthese different programs or of
those kind of evolved into moreprograms in the year?
Kylie BOW 1 (09:31):
So the original format that came outta Wisconsin
and that Montana started with isthe three day, what we now call
our summer bow.
It's a three day all inclusivecamp where you take four
classes, um, and then there's abunch of evening activities, and
that was your opportunity.
Well, as we've learned, there'sso many more people across the
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state that you can't reach in asingle event.
So, uh, programs around thenation started growing what we
call beyond Bose, and those arethe smaller workshops like the
ice fishing or the wild gamesoap making that we just do a
single topic for a few hours andthat way we can go to more
places, reach more people, um,in a way that's a little more
(10:13):
accessible.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:17):
Um.
so now we're, we're into a lotof different programs, but that
summer one is still extremelypopular.
Now that one, uh, this year is,uh, in August, what is that?
August, uh, eighth through the10th.
Right.
Kylie BOW 1 (10:32):
That's right.
Rigger BOW 1 (10:33):
Mm-hmm.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:34):
And, uh, now has that filled up already?
Uh, and if so, can, can gals geton a waiting list or tell us
where you're at on that?
Kylie BOW 1 (10:43):
Yeah, so we're still processing applications,
but I do believe we already havea full set.
However,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:48):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (10:50):
accept wait list.
So all you gotta do is, uh, onour website under BOW.
Go ahead and click on thatapplication link, fill it out,
and if we have a spot for you,I'll be in contact and we'll,
we'll get you there.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (11:04):
Okay.
Yeah, I, I think Davis got alittle behind, so, uh, you may
see her on the waiting list.
But, uh, anyway, hopefully, uh,she can get involved because she
has just fallen in love withyour program and, and rightly
so.
It's, it's.
Just a wonderful deal.
It really is.
Uh, how about for the rest ofthis year, um, what are some of
(11:28):
the programs that you guys havehad, uh, going.
Kylie BOW 1 (11:33):
Yeah, so we've got quite a few on our list this
year, this coming weekend,August, excuse me, May 30th and
31st.
We're doing a a flathead BOW,which is similar to the big bow
where you choose classes, butit's only for a day, so they're
super short.
It's just a brief introduction.
Then we've also got abackpacking workshop coming up
(11:54):
the first weekend of June.
We're getting that education orthat, uh, introductory classes
done this week.
Um, and those are two classeswe're really excited about, but
sneak peak, um, not officiallyannounced yet, but we're looking
to add a fly fishing workshopand an archery workshop here
before August and past
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (12:16):
Nice.
Kylie BOW 1 (12:17):
We have not gotten to our planning yet.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (12:20):
Hmm.
Wow.
So, uh, fly fishing and archery.
What do you do in the archery,uh, program?
Is that, uh, just setting uptargets in that?
Um, tell us a bit about that.
Kylie BOW 1 (12:31):
yeah, that's modeled with our, uh, na NASP
program, national Archery in theSchools program.
And yeah, that, that's allacross the state.
Um, and there's a, a safety anda learning, um.
Criteria there that is reallyuseful across all ages.
(12:53):
So we'll go through the basicsof what archery is, um, how to
do it safely, how to setyourself up for success.
And then we'll get into shootingand aiming and, um, if we still
have time, we'll even get intosome 3D targets.
If.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:07):
That has become so popular in Montana.
Um, you know, it used to be thatthat bow hunting was maybe for
more hunters that really kind ofwanted to get back to the
basics.
Now, I, I would say it probablyrivals the rifle hunting out
there, or has it passed it?
Do you know?
(13:28):
In Montana?
Kylie BOW 1 (13:29):
not keyed in on that, so I'm not really sure.
But I
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:32):
Yeah.
Kylie BOW 1 (13:33):
as a sport in general has become very popular.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:37):
It really has, and everybody I talk to that,
that gets into it, whether they,uh, had this kind of training or
just went out with a friend,they, they tell me how addictive
that is, that it's reallysomething that, that you get.
You know, hitting that target,knowing how to do it, and all
that becomes this, this greatchallenge that people just
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really love doing.
So I imagine that's gonna be avery popular one.
And then of course, fly fishing,you know, that's huge in
Montana.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:10):
It is.
That's the easy class to fillfor sure.
But we get a lot of requests forarchery, so we're
Rigger BOW 1 (14:15):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:15):
that to more places.
Rigger BOW 1 (14:18):
And
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (14:18):
then you'll probably add more, uh, programs
as the year goes along then.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:23):
Ideally, yeah, we will.
Um, I need to, you know, my jobis coordinating with the
instructors, the volunteers whorun the program really.
So we'll start reaching out tothem about August, September,
October, here Before too long I.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (14:37):
Okay.
Tell us about the instructors.
Um, are, are they all women aswell, or is it a mix of men and
women?
Kylie BOW 1 (14:45):
It's a mix of men and women.
What, um, we found, there wereactually some recent studies out
of South Dakota and what theydiscovered is it's not the
gender of the instructor, it'sthe attitude.
And I think it's that supportiveencouragement that we foster
that really helps, um, some ofour best instructors.
(15:05):
It.
It doesn't seem to matter whatthe gender is.
They're all fabulous.
Rigger BOW 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
What, what kind of, uh, uh,backgrounds do they come from as
far as qualifications in that
Kylie BOW 1 (15:15):
It's a very wide range.
So we have, um, who've workedwith Search and Rescue who do
our wilderness survival and ourmap encompass classes.
Um, one of our fly fishinginstructors is a retired
fisheries biologist from Fish,wildlife and Parks.
So it's a pretty wide range andsome people are just, um.
Really, uh, big advocates foreither the program or their
(15:39):
particular sport, and they'vespent a lot of time honing that
and want to share it.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (15:46):
That mapping encompassing thing I wish they
had when my girls were youngerbecause they never seemed to get
home quite on time.
Used to say, did you lose yourway or what, as I'm pacing the
floor.
But, uh, no, that, that's justwonderful.
(16:06):
A as far as, um,
Rigger BOW 1 (16:08):
What, what
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:09):
what do you say to a woman that maybe has always
wanted to get involved and, andlearn about the outdoors, but
they go, oh, I, I don't think Iought to get involved in this.
I, I, I don't have anyexperience.
I'm just gonna slow everybodydown.
What, what do you say to them?
Kylie BOW 1 (16:25):
I'd say you're our target audience.
This, this whole program isdesigned to introduce you at a
very basic level so you know,we're, we're here to give you
that very basic skillset so thatyou have the confidence to go
out and learn more, or ask morequestions, or even just purchase
the equipment and start tryingit more yourself.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:47):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And what I like about theseprograms is, um.
Rigger BOW 1 (16:53):
You
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:53):
provide equipment for them to learn.
So it really gives them an ideaof to kind of dip their toe in
the water a little bit, so tospeak, and, and see if fly
fishing is their thing orarchery is their thing before
they get too far along.
Um, so yeah, those of youlistening out there, don't,
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don't shy away from this.
Uh, it's a lot of just beginnersaren't there in your program.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:22):
Well,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (17:23):
that's, that's what we want to, uh, that's what
we wanna encourage and, uh, uh,take it from my daughter.
She was not one that ever didoutdoor stuff in that, and she
is into it now.
She loves it.
So, uh, you, you guys are, uh,you guys are doing it the way,
What kinda shape do they need tobe in to, um, to get involved
(17:46):
in, in the programs that youoffer here?
Kylie BOW 1 (17:51):
Generally, you don't have to be in any kind of
shape.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:55):
Really.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (17:56):
Okay.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:56):
okay.
Kylie BOW 1 (17:57):
Yeah, you know, some classes are specific.
If we go to a more advancedlevel, we'll let you know in the
advertisement, um, for thisbackpacking class, because do
have to carry 40 pounds for fivemiles.
We do ask for a base levelthere, um, but we're very clear
about that.
So in cases of classes where youneed a base level, we'll, we'll
(18:20):
be clear and we'll let you know.
But for everything else, if, ifwe haven't been explicit, it's
for everybody.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (18:26):
Okay.
back to the instructors, howhard was it for you to find
instructors out there?
Kylie BOW 1 (18:33):
You
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (18:34):
Was that difficult?
Kylie BOW 1 (18:36):
I was lucky.
Um, I inherited some reallyincredible instructors, um, and
for their part they've broughtin a few more.
It's always a challenge to findnew people and it's something
I'm constantly working on.
I.
Um, you know, FWP staff, it'seasy to bug them because I'm
like, Hey, we work together, youneed to help.
(18:59):
in terms of community members,um, and Eastern Montana, we've
always struggled to getvolunteers.
Um, but I was, yeah, very luckyto have a good base when I
started.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (19:11):
Well that's, that's half the battle right
there.
Um,
Rigger BOW 1 (19:16):
are
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (19:16):
you looking for more instructors?
Is that something you're tryingto add or, um, just in case some
of our listeners out there say,Hey, I might want to do that.
Kylie BOW 1 (19:25):
Absolutely.
We're always interested intalking to people about new
skills or just the same skillsin new places.
We'd definitely love to hearfrom people interested.
Rigger BOW 1 (19:35):
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Rigger BOW 2 (22:39):
So, back to the in instructors Kaylee, what, what
would you say, uh, is itdifficult to find these people
that, that want to, you know,take the time to do this?
Is it, has it been pretty easyfor you?
And number two to that questionis, are you looking for more
instructors?
Kylie BOW 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
You know, looking forinstructors and finding new
people to join the program hasalways been a challenge.
I think there's a lot of peopleinterested in recreating, but
having the, the confidence andthe interest to share that with
others is always, is alwaysdifficult to foster.
So we're absolutely looking fornew instructors, especially in
Eastern Montana.
Rigger BOW 2 (23:22):
Oh, okay.
As I understand it from Montana,there, there are women that can
actually, from other states getinvolved in your program there
in Montana.
Have, have you had goodparticipation from women outta
state that, that say, Hey, I'vealways wanted to learn about
(23:42):
stuff in Montana?
Kylie BOW 2 (23:44):
Yeah, so there's like 38 states that have their
own BOW program,
Rigger BOW 2 (23:50):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (23:51):
'em are in more demand than others.
So we have a handful ofparticipants who come from out
of state, but not a big run ofthem.
Rigger BOW 2 (23:58):
Okay,
Kylie BOW 2 (23:59):
There's always a few though.
Rigger BOW 2 (24:01):
and vice versa.
Uh, can women from Montana getinvolved in those programs in
those other 34 states if theyhave room?
Obviously.
I.
Kylie BOW 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and you know, each state runs theirs just a
little bit different in terms ofsetting priority for their most
popular event.
So you should definitely checkwith the state that you are
interested in participating in.
But a lot of.
A lot of participants go toother states and they bounce
around between a bunch ofdifferent bows because each
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state offers something a littlebit different, and it's nice to
get
Rigger BOW 2 (24:36):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's really a neat ideaas far as, you know, if you
wanna branch out a little and,and check out some more.
But I mean, there's just so muchto discover here in Montana, um,
that I, I, I can't imagine that,that this program is ever gonna
go away.
(24:56):
If anything, it's, it, I wouldthink it's just gonna keep
getting bigger and bigger.
Do you find it's getting more indemand, uh, here in Montana?
Kylie BOW 2 (25:05):
I think there's a lot of demand for it.
Um, we're definitely not able toaccommodate every single person
who applies for our classes, andpart of that is because we keep
them small so that we can tailorthe experience and the hands-on
learning to help better fosterparticipants.
Um, so I think there's alwaysgoing to be a good demand for a
(25:25):
program like this.
Rigger BOW 2 (25:27):
Mm-hmm.
I, I, I gotta agree.
I, I just think this is going tobe around a long, long time and
do nothing but get, uh, biggerand better as it goes along.
Um, Um, so.
I.
If people wanna get moreinformation, you know, as, as,
and I'm gonna have links and allthat stuff in our, in our
(25:48):
podcast description page.
And I'll put some links up hereon the screen for everybody too.
But, um, where's the best placeto get more information?
'cause I imagine, you know,we're not gonna answer every
single question in this podcast.
There's gonna be things thatcome up.
Where should they go?
Kylie BOW 2 (26:06):
Absolutely they should check out Fish, wildlife
and Parks website.
So that's fwp.mt.gov.
And in there we have aneducation portion, and from
there you can find BOW.
Uh, my contact information isthere, but that's where all of
our classes are announced.
Initially, and a bulk of theinformation for each class goes
into that website.
Rigger BOW 2 (26:28):
And you know, if you get involved and, and let's
say somebody says, boy, I went,for example, in the case of my
daughter, I went to that, thatbirdwatching one, and it was
phenomenal.
Then they should just.
Share that with other friends.
If they think there's some otherfriends that wanna get involved,
just have'em go to that websiteand that's gonna be their best
(26:48):
bet to to do that.
And do you, you sign up fromthat site as well?
Is that correct?
Kylie BOW 2 (26:54):
Yes, and don't let me forget to tell you that we do
have an email list and everyclass that we post gets emailed
out.
If you sign up for our emaillist, you can find that on the
website, but every class and allthe registration information is
on on that website.
Rigger BOW 2 (27:11):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I think I got myself onthat website'cause I always get
all your updates and all thatstuff.
And in fact, and that's how Igot, uh, my daughter involved
was um, I sent her a, a copy ofthe email and I said, Hey, you
might just wanna think aboutthis.
And she goes, now that to mesounds, that sounds more
interesting.
(27:31):
No offense pop, but.
Rather than you trying to, youknow, push me in this direction
or that, just getting with otherladies and learning about And
she found that was a better wayto, to enter in this whole idea
of getting out and outdoorsmore.
So it, uh.
It's a good way to do it.
And, you know, I, I, us mensometimes we tend to be a little
(27:55):
pushy and not be, oh, you gottado it this way, where it's a lot
better for everyone just todiscover it, you know?
Um, when you talk to ladiesafter they've had, say their
first or second experience, whatare some of the comments that
you get from them?
Kylie BOW 2 (28:15):
You know, it's a wide range.
Some women are taking theseclasses just to try something
new.
Um, and so they're like, well.
was fun.
I don't know if it's for me, um,but they're still glad that they
came out, um, and met some newpeople.
Some of'em may are makingfriends and trying other
activities.
Uh, and some of'em, you know,they fall in love with the
(28:36):
programs.
And I met, uh, an instructor outof, um, Kalispell, who hasn't
typically worked with us, butcame back in, uh, on a special
request from the main instructorand she had taken his class.
And, um, discovered sheabsolutely loved ice fishing and
now she is busy every weekendice fishing.
(28:59):
So it's a wide range.
Rigger BOW 2 (29:01):
Yeah.
And, and that, that's a sportthat I, I guess my daughters
have never liked being cold.
Who does?
But it seems like ice fishing isreally popular with women.
Um, and they're really good atit.
And that's the one thing I'venoticed having all daughters
(29:22):
that I've noticed women tend tolisten better than men.
Sorry guys, but I, I speak fromexperience.
They do.
They, they're great learners andwhen they, they find something
they like, they really get intoit.
And what, why do you supposethat is that that ice fishing
has become so appealing to them?
Kylie BOW 2 (29:43):
You know, it's hard to say and it's different for
everybody.
Some
Rigger BOW 2 (29:47):
Sure.
Kylie BOW 2 (29:47):
that I personally like about ice fishing is it's
fairly relaxing.
Um,
Rigger BOW 2 (29:53):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (29:54):
you get in a, you get in a hole over some perch
and you just get to hang out,uh, and reel up your fish.
It can be very social activityas well.
Uh, and with the rightequipment, you don't have to be
that gold.
Um, and
Rigger BOW 2 (30:08):
Right.
Kylie BOW 2 (30:08):
ton of opportunities, uh, of locations
in Montana to go you know,winter is long and it's
Rigger BOW 2 (30:17):
Exactly.
Kylie BOW 2 (30:18):
and getting out and getting a little sunshine, um,
does wonders for the health.
Rigger BOW 2 (30:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've always said if you don'tfind a winter, um.
You know, hobby of something todo and get out, uh, in Montana,
you're up for a long winter.
And so anytime you can findsomething, whether it's snow
skiing or, or you know, like wewere just talking about ice
(30:44):
fishing or any of that, gottatry it.
Um, I, I think you're gonna loveit.
So as far as, um.
Women that have their firstexperience in these comments
that you get, has there everbeen, um, one of of these
events, one of these bo eventsthat surprised you either in a
(31:05):
good way or bad way or whatever,uh, that you went, huh, I didn't
think that would be a takeawayfor this event.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:12):
You know, I think we learn something every time we
do a class.
Um, even when I'm repeating wisefishing classes, it's a whole
new group of people.
So we're always learningsomething new.
I think,
Rigger BOW 2 (31:23):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:24):
maybe that's the takeaway,
Rigger BOW 2 (31:26):
Yeah.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:27):
things to go a certain way.
Rigger BOW 2 (31:30):
Well, and I, I suppose at times somebody tries
something that you never eventhought of.
Having them do that, all of asudden that becomes part of your
curriculum in a way, I suppose,of, Hey, this person tried this.
I didn't, had no idea to try itthat way.
Um.
As far as things coming up, anyinteresting stuff in the works
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Kylie BOW 2 (34:54):
You know, we're always looking to add new
classes.
I think my focus right now isjust getting more instructors on
the ground.
So even if they're teaching thesame skills we offer, we can
offer'em in new places.
That's, that's my
Rigger BOW 2 (35:06):
Ah, yeah, good idea.
What would you say is your hopefor the main takeaway that you
hope women get out of this?
Kylie BOW 2 (35:18):
Out of this podcast.
Rigger BOW 2 (35:20):
No, I, well, out of this podcast or just out of,
out of the bow program ingeneral, if there was one hope
that you had, what, what wouldyou like women to take away from
it?
Kylie BOW 2 (35:31):
I, I think my main goal in coordinating this
program is to give womenconfidence to know that they can
go do these things
Rigger BOW 2 (35:41):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (35:41):
necessarily need someone holding their hand.
If you wanna go with a partneror a friend, all the better.
Um, but my main goal is to givethem the tools to be able to do
these things that if they wantto continue doing them.
Rigger BOW 2 (35:57):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the outdoors is no longerjust a male only deal.
I mean, it, it's far from it.
Uh, believe it or not, there wasa time.
Um, That there, in fact, therewas a law in the books in
Montana said women were notallowed to fish alone.
(36:17):
Uh, and now look how far we'vecome.
Uh, and that's because of womenlike you and, and others, uh,
Kaylee, that have said, no, Iwe're gonna get out there and do
this.
And it really, uh.
I, I have just seen such a, abig change in, in the way
things, uh, go now.
(36:38):
Uh, and that's a great thingbecause the more a family, uh, a
couple, in fact, I just did apodcast, uh, not long ago with a
couple that, uh, met their firstdate was going out fishing.
And they now fish in tournamentstogether.
They, they're, they're like someof the top fishermen in the, in
(37:00):
the state, and it all startedfrom that one date.
And in fact, uh, she had neverfished before in her life.
And now typically she catchesmore fish than he does.
But it, it was just so neat tosee how they've used the
outdoors as this way that thathas really strengthened and, and
(37:20):
kept the relationship always funand fresh and, and getting out
and doing things.
Um, and I also had uh, thegovernor and First Lady on.
They talked about the same thingof how much they do out in the,
the great outdoors and how muchthat's a big stress reliever and
all that.
(37:41):
Um, and in today's world, youknow, where we spend so much of
our time in front of thesescreens and that, which I'm glad
you folks are there right now,but, um, how is is that for what
you've seen with the, the womenthat participate as far as that?
The, the The outdoors being thatbig stress reliever.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I think it is.
Is for everybody.
I think, you know, medicalprofessionals talk about, um,
nature and outdoors and vitaminD, simple things like that,
Rigger BOW 2 (38:17):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:17):
a really big part of the Montana Way and to be an
inclusive Montana need to helpsupport people getting out,
trying new activities andbecoming participants in these
activities.
So.
Even if you grew up in Montana,maybe you didn't have an
opportunity to try fly fishing,maybe you were a hunting family.
(38:38):
And so getting
Rigger BOW 2 (38:38):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:39):
new activities, learning a new skill is very
good
Rigger BOW 2 (38:42):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:42):
for brain
Rigger BOW 2 (38:43):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's, it, it really is.
Uh, how about as far as likemother daughter do, do you see
that happen in Bo?
Do you see, uh.
uh, mothers bring their, theirdaughters into Bowen.
what is the age, uh, restrictionthere?
Kylie BOW 2 (39:02):
Yeah, so BOW is for 18 and older, so we do have a
Rigger BOW 2 (39:07):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (39:09):
Um, but
Rigger BOW 2 (39:09):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (39:10):
uh, uh, our programs bring in mother
daughters.
They bring in grandmother,granddaughter, they bring in
sisters.
Um, we had a school reunion oneyear at our summer bow where
four friends from high school wemet.
Yeah.
So
Rigger BOW 2 (39:26):
Oh, that's great.
Great idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a great way to, to, uh,reconnect, uh, you know,'cause
the outdoors, that's one thingthat connects all of us.
Uh, what a great idea.
I I love it.
You know, this, this programhas, has a lot to offer and I
guess the, the reason that Ilike to get you on here is I, I
(39:51):
just want everyone.
to know about this because.
You You know, as I said,speaking from my experience,
I've always wanted my kids to.
to Get out and get connectedinto the outdoors because it
does change you and it changesyou in an extremely positive
way.
So I, I really hope that's whatpeople take away, uh, from the
(40:14):
podcast when I get you on, uh,Kaylee, is I really want people
to know that, that it is, uh, itis is something they, they
should try and, and don't evergo, oh, I don't know if I'll
like that.
You won't know until you try it.
Uh, and I, I think, do you see alot of those new faces coming
(40:35):
back once they get going in yourprograms?
Kylie BOW 2 (40:38):
We see a handful of new faces either, uh, trying the
same skill again because theyaren't able to get the equipment
or they just like the comradery.
sometimes we get, um, similarfaces trying lots of different
skills'cause we do offer lots ofclasses.
Rigger BOW 2 (40:54):
Mm.
Kylie BOW 2 (40:55):
we do get a lot of new faces.
Rigger BOW 2 (40:59):
Yeah.
Uh, Um, how about cost?
Uh, what is the typical cost ofthese programs?
I'm sure obviously it, it variesdepending on the length and the
complexity of it.
I know like for the summer bowwhere it's, you know, they're,
they're there for three days,that's more, but talk a bit
about cost and, and how you've,I I've just feel that the costs
(41:23):
are very low for these.
It It just seems like you guysdo a great.
job of holding it down.
Kylie BOW 2 (41:29):
Yeah, we, we keep it low, uh, because these are
for everybody and it is a statesponsored program.
So our base rate, um, if allyou're getting is instruction
and loaned equipment is$15 forour classes.
the more we tack onto the classor the more days or the more
meals like the backpacking, itstarts to go up from there.
(41:52):
The backpacking iss running at$65 and then of course, our all
inclusive weekend is, uh,between 250 and$350.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:03):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, but still that's, that'sreally low I, and that's great.
I, I, I love that.
Now there is some possibilitiesfor financial assistance, right.
Kylie BOW 2 (42:15):
On the summer bow program there is because it is
more expensive.
Um, and we want people to feellike they can still come.
So we do offer a hundred dollarsscholarships.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:25):
Mm-hmm.
Um, Um, any, anything else thatyou'd like folks to know about
your program uh, that you wannashare with our listeners while
we got'em here?
Kylie BOW 2 (42:36):
Yeah, I just think, you know, come give us a try.
Um, the whole point of thisprogram is to introduce you to
new things without being crossprohibitive.
So we're here, reach out byemail, um, ask us questions, let
us know what you wanna see onthe landscape too.
We're always looking for new,new activities to try.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:54):
Yeah, Yeah, and I'm gonna put a link to, uh, to
your email address as well.
So folks will be able to justclick on that and it'll populate
the, all the stuff in theiremail program and, and out it
go.
j And just, Uh, you know, askher whatever you want folks,
and, and learn about this and,and see if it's right for you.
And, you know, maybe pick one ofthe, uh, shorter, easier
(43:16):
programs just to make sure it's,it's for you and, and go from
there.
But Don't, uh, don't, uh, knockit till You try it as they say.
Um, I, I really hope that folkswill get out there and do that.
Um, give us that website andother things.
again, just, just so our, ourlisteners, some of the podcast
(43:37):
locations that people get thatare, say audio only and that,
and they don't include mydescription, so give that out
one more time just in case.
Kylie BOW 2 (43:47):
So on the Fish Wildlife and Parks website,
that's fwp.mt.gov.
there you'll find a link toeducation.
And under education, you'll findbecoming an outdoors woman.
Rigger BOW 2 (43:59):
Okay.
So give it give it a shot andgive it a link and, um, be sure
and share this podcast with yourfriends and all that'cause I, I,
I, can feel it already.
Some of you're gonna go, Oh, so,and so would love to do this.
So be sure and share thispodcast and, um, We'll have, uh.
we'll have you on again and asit grows and you find new things
(44:22):
and, and that let us know.
And of course, always, ifthere's any info you need to get
out that you would like us toshare, let me know.
I'm more than happy to includeit in any podcast and remind
people that there's either toget signed up or that.
So.
Thank you so much.
I really do appreciate youcoming on and spending so much
time with me.
Kylie BOW 2 (44:41):
Thank you for having me.
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Bow 1 - Mic 1 (01:10):
Thank you very much, Manny.
And welcome.
Welcome all of you to theMontana Outdoor Podcast studio.
So great to have you here and Iwanna welcome a uh, special send
out.
Welcome to, uh, the Men andWomen of the United States Armed
Forces for.
Listening to this podcastdeployed all around the world.
(01:31):
It's such an honor to have allof you here.
And, um, for all the rest ofyou, uh, thank you as well for
jumping on in here.
We do appreciate it.
Have a favor to ask everyonelistening here today, and that
is please share this podcastwith your family and friends.
Go to social media, whereveryou'd like to share it.
We always love to have youalong.
(01:51):
Um, now, today I wanna talkabout something that is very
near and dear to my heart, notjust because I am a, uh, father
of eight daughters and onestepdaughter.
All incredible ladies on theirown.
But, uh, also just because it's,it is just really a, a great
(02:12):
program.
It, it encourages.
Women to get out and discoverMontana's great outdoors and
really, it's, it's a nationalprogram.
It, it goes all around the, uh,the nation, uh, with me today
is, uh, Kylie Kimball.
uh, she is the coordinator forthe Becoming an Outdoors Woman
(02:34):
or, um, Bo BOW program.
This podcast, Kylie has gone allaround, uh, the world and has
grown incredibly.
I, I'm just blown away by, uh,how it has grown.
We're now in the top 1% of, uh,podcasts in the nation, which,
(02:56):
uh, is just blows me away.
And thank you to all of ourlisteners for that.
So when you were on lastFebruary.
A lot of people that arelistening right now may not have
heard that podcast.
So, before we get into what, uh,the bow program has been up to
lately, let's talk a bit aboutwhat you do for the program and
for, uh, Montana Fish, wildlifeand Parks.
Kylie BOW 1 (03:19):
Absolutely.
I actually run two programs forFish, wildlife and Parks.
One of them, the Becoming AnOutdoors Woman, but also the
Voter Safety Education Program.
I.
And sometimes those overlap likewhen we do, uh, kayaking
classes.
my job is primarily to organizevolunteers and community events
(03:41):
to kind of get these skills, ahands-on learning skills.
Opportunities to Montana.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (03:49):
And you do a great job of it.
Um, and I can speak fromexperience because my daughter,
uh, Davis was just in one ofyour programs, uh, on both.
She was in the, um, the, thebirdwatching program that you
guys just did.
She absolutely loved it.
Uh, yeah, she just loved it.
(04:11):
And, uh, is so excited to getinvolved in more of your
programs.
So.
Kudos to you there.
Uh, I just may convince her oneof these days to go fishing with
me.
Now she is discovering theoutdoors.
She is becoming an outdoorswoman.
Rigger BOW 1 (04:30):
So
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (04:31):
I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm just thrilled about
that because when you live inMontana, I mean, if you're not
spending some time in theoutdoors, you're missing.
The, the greatest gift of allthat this state gives you.
Um, so let's talk a bit aboutwhat you guys have been up to,
(04:51):
um, lately.
Um, talk about so far this year,some of the programs that you've
done.
I mean, we've mentioned the BirdWatching Program, but go over
some of the programs, uh, thatyou've done so far.
Kylie BOW 1 (05:04):
Absolutely.
So.
Annually we get to do ourKalispell ice fishing class.
But this year we tried outsomething new in Helena.
We tried an intermediate icefishing class and really that
was just an opportunity forpeople who'd taken the class and
haven't invested in theequipment, but wanna keep trying
it and wanna keep getting outthere and meeting new people.
(05:26):
So that was a fun opportunitythat we had.
It was just a group of us and wejust went fishing for the
morning.
We've also started, uh, thisyear I was very excited to bring
wild game soap making back and alocal area biologist actually in
the Helena area, taught me theskill and I was like, well, you
have to share this with Bo.
(05:46):
People are gonna love it.
So I was very
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (05:48):
Wild game soap making.
Now give us kind of the, a, abrief description of what that
is.
Kylie BOW 1 (05:56):
Yeah, so soap making is a, is a pretty easy
skill, surprisingly, and it'ssomething that you can do.
You don't have to harvest game,but our take on it is when you
do harvest game, just one moreway for you to use the animal
and all the parts is to, toharvest all of that fat tall.
(06:17):
You render it down just like youwould, um, livestock and that
tallow is something that youcould buy in the shelves you use
it for cooking a lot of times.
Well, if you add li and water toit and some pretty sense, you
actually can make soap.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (06:37):
Py Dang.
Now that, that I, I imagine iswhat they did back in the
frontier days.
That's, that's how they hadsoap.
Wow.
Cool.
Uh, now I have heard that likebeef towel that's been, uh,
talked about now I, I see it onlots of different commercials
and stuff on tv that, that'slike supposed to be great for
(06:58):
your skin.
Kylie BOW 1 (06:59):
It is, it's very moisturizing and we like to mix
it up a little bit and addcoconut oil or some tallows and
you can get a little softer soapthat suds a little more, but the
more.
Livestock or game tallow thatyou're using.
The softer it is on your hands,but still just as cleansing.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:21):
I love it.
Now, I'm gonna see the look onsome guy's faces when, when, uh,
gals that have gone to yourprogram say, honey, uh, gimme
the rest of that deer.
'cause I'm gonna make us somesoap and watch'em go.
What?
That's really cool.
Uh, now does that take a longtime to, to make, or is it a, is
(07:41):
it a pretty simple process?
Kylie BOW 1 (07:43):
The rendering process can take quite a while.
That's a full
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:46):
Oh, okay.
Kylie BOW 1 (07:47):
for a few pounds.
Uh,'cause you gotta boil it downvery slowly.
You don't wanna burn it, but theactual soap making, so once you
have the tallow, the actual soapmaking, you can do in an hour or
two.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (07:59):
Wow.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:00):
Geez,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:01):
Geez.
Who would've thought that isreally cool.
Um,
Rigger BOW 1 (08:05):
now
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:06):
the, the BO program, I, I mentioned just
briefly when in the introductionhere that that is, uh.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:12):
uh,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:13):
Also a national program started in at the
University of Wisconsin, like 24or 25 years ago.
How long has it been going onhere in Montana.
Kylie BOW 1 (08:25):
Yeah, so it's actually been in Montana, um, 31
years.
It, it started in 1994.
Rigger BOW 1 (08:31):
Really?
Kylie BOW 1 (08:32):
Yeah, so a few more
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:33):
Okay.
I'll be danged.
I had no idea.
Um, and how long have you beeninvolved in the program?
Kylie BOW 1 (08:41):
This is my third year.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (08:43):
Third year as the coordinator.
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (08:47):
the program when I was invited to be a guest
speaker in thir 2013, I believe.
I had met one of the volunteerson a eco tour to Churchill,
Manitoba, and she came back andtalked to the coordinator and
brought me in to talk about ourtrip.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (09:05):
Hmm.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Um.
Rigger BOW 1 (09:10):
as
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (09:10):
far as, uh, the program in Montana, how has it
evolved?
Um, maybe give us an idea of theearly days and, and where it's
at now.
Has it, has it always had allthese different programs or of
those kind of evolved into moreprograms in the year?
Kylie BOW 1 (09:31):
So the original format that came outta Wisconsin
and that Montana started with isthe three day, what we now call
our summer bow.
It's a three day all inclusivecamp where you take four
classes, um, and then there's abunch of evening activities, and
that was your opportunity.
Well, as we've learned, there'sso many more people across the
(09:53):
state that you can't reach in asingle event.
So, uh, programs around thenation started growing what we
call beyond Bose, and those arethe smaller workshops like the
ice fishing or the wild gamesoap making that we just do a
single topic for a few hours andthat way we can go to more
places, reach more people, um,in a way that's a little more
(10:13):
accessible.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:17):
Um.
so now we're, we're into a lotof different programs, but that
summer one is still extremelypopular.
Now that one, uh, this year is,uh, in August, what is that?
August, uh, eighth through the10th.
Right.
Kylie BOW 1 (10:32):
That's right.
Rigger BOW 1 (10:33):
Mm-hmm.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:34):
And, uh, now has that filled up already?
Uh, and if so, can, can gals geton a waiting list or tell us
where you're at on that?
Kylie BOW 1 (10:43):
Yeah, so we're still processing applications,
but I do believe we already havea full set.
However,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (10:48):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (10:50):
accept wait list.
So all you gotta do is, uh, onour website under BOW.
Go ahead and click on thatapplication link, fill it out,
and if we have a spot for you,I'll be in contact and we'll,
we'll get you there.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (11:04):
Okay.
Yeah, I, I think Davis got alittle behind, so, uh, you may
see her on the waiting list.
But, uh, anyway, hopefully, uh,she can get involved because she
has just fallen in love withyour program and, and rightly
so.
It's, it's.
Just a wonderful deal.
It really is.
Uh, how about for the rest ofthis year, um, what are some of
(11:28):
the programs that you guys havehad, uh, going.
Kylie BOW 1 (11:33):
Yeah, so we've got quite a few on our list this
year, this coming weekend,August, excuse me, May 30th and
31st.
We're doing a a flathead BOW,which is similar to the big bow
where you choose classes, butit's only for a day, so they're
super short.
It's just a brief introduction.
Then we've also got abackpacking workshop coming up
(11:54):
the first weekend of June.
We're getting that education orthat, uh, introductory classes
done this week.
Um, and those are two classeswe're really excited about, but
sneak peak, um, not officiallyannounced yet, but we're looking
to add a fly fishing workshopand an archery workshop here
before August and past
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (12:16):
Nice.
Kylie BOW 1 (12:17):
We have not gotten to our planning yet.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (12:20):
Hmm.
Wow.
So, uh, fly fishing and archery.
What do you do in the archery,uh, program?
Is that, uh, just setting uptargets in that?
Um, tell us a bit about that.
Kylie BOW 1 (12:31):
yeah, that's modeled with our, uh, na NASP
program, national Archery in theSchools program.
And yeah, that, that's allacross the state.
Um, and there's a, a safety anda learning, um.
Criteria there that is reallyuseful across all ages.
(12:53):
So we'll go through the basicsof what archery is, um, how to
do it safely, how to setyourself up for success.
And then we'll get into shootingand aiming and, um, if we still
have time, we'll even get intosome 3D targets.
If.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:07):
That has become so popular in Montana.
Um, you know, it used to be thatthat bow hunting was maybe for
more hunters that really kind ofwanted to get back to the
basics.
Now, I, I would say it probablyrivals the rifle hunting out
there, or has it passed it?
Do you know?
(13:28):
In Montana?
Kylie BOW 1 (13:29):
not keyed in on that, so I'm not really sure.
But I
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:32):
Yeah.
Kylie BOW 1 (13:33):
as a sport in general has become very popular.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (13:37):
It really has, and everybody I talk to that,
that gets into it, whether they,uh, had this kind of training or
just went out with a friend,they, they tell me how addictive
that is, that it's reallysomething that, that you get.
You know, hitting that target,knowing how to do it, and all
that becomes this, this greatchallenge that people just
(14:00):
really love doing.
So I imagine that's gonna be avery popular one.
And then of course, fly fishing,you know, that's huge in
Montana.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:10):
It is.
That's the easy class to fillfor sure.
But we get a lot of requests forarchery, so we're
Rigger BOW 1 (14:15):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:15):
that to more places.
Rigger BOW 1 (14:18):
And
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (14:18):
then you'll probably add more, uh, programs
as the year goes along then.
Kylie BOW 1 (14:23):
Ideally, yeah, we will.
Um, I need to, you know, my jobis coordinating with the
instructors, the volunteers whorun the program really.
So we'll start reaching out tothem about August, September,
October, here Before too long I.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (14:37):
Okay.
Tell us about the instructors.
Um, are, are they all women aswell, or is it a mix of men and
women?
Kylie BOW 1 (14:45):
It's a mix of men and women.
What, um, we found, there wereactually some recent studies out
of South Dakota and what theydiscovered is it's not the
gender of the instructor, it'sthe attitude.
And I think it's that supportiveencouragement that we foster
that really helps, um, some ofour best instructors.
(15:05):
It.
It doesn't seem to matter whatthe gender is.
They're all fabulous.
Rigger BOW 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
What, what kind of, uh, uh,backgrounds do they come from as
far as qualifications in that
Kylie BOW 1 (15:15):
It's a very wide range.
So we have, um, who've workedwith Search and Rescue who do
our wilderness survival and ourmap encompass classes.
Um, one of our fly fishinginstructors is a retired
fisheries biologist from Fish,wildlife and Parks.
So it's a pretty wide range andsome people are just, um.
Really, uh, big advocates foreither the program or their
(15:39):
particular sport, and they'vespent a lot of time honing that
and want to share it.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (15:46):
That mapping encompassing thing I wish they
had when my girls were youngerbecause they never seemed to get
home quite on time.
Used to say, did you lose yourway or what, as I'm pacing the
floor.
But, uh, no, that, that's justwonderful.
(16:06):
A as far as, um,
Rigger BOW 1 (16:08):
What, what
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:09):
what do you say to a woman that maybe has always
wanted to get involved and, andlearn about the outdoors, but
they go, oh, I, I don't think Iought to get involved in this.
I, I, I don't have anyexperience.
I'm just gonna slow everybodydown.
What, what do you say to them?
Kylie BOW 1 (16:25):
I'd say you're our target audience.
This, this whole program isdesigned to introduce you at a
very basic level so you know,we're, we're here to give you
that very basic skillset so thatyou have the confidence to go
out and learn more, or ask morequestions, or even just purchase
the equipment and start tryingit more yourself.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:47):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And what I like about theseprograms is, um.
Rigger BOW 1 (16:53):
You
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (16:53):
provide equipment for them to learn.
So it really gives them an ideaof to kind of dip their toe in
the water a little bit, so tospeak, and, and see if fly
fishing is their thing orarchery is their thing before
they get too far along.
Um, so yeah, those of youlistening out there, don't,
(17:14):
don't shy away from this.
Uh, it's a lot of just beginnersaren't there in your program.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:22):
Well,
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (17:23):
that's, that's what we want to, uh, that's what
we wanna encourage and, uh, uh,take it from my daughter.
She was not one that ever didoutdoor stuff in that, and she
is into it now.
She loves it.
So, uh, you, you guys are, uh,you guys are doing it the way,
What kinda shape do they need tobe in to, um, to get involved
(17:46):
in, in the programs that youoffer here?
Kylie BOW 1 (17:51):
Generally, you don't have to be in any kind of
shape.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:55):
Really.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (17:56):
Okay.
Rigger BOW 1 (17:56):
okay.
Kylie BOW 1 (17:57):
Yeah, you know, some classes are specific.
If we go to a more advancedlevel, we'll let you know in the
advertisement, um, for thisbackpacking class, because do
have to carry 40 pounds for fivemiles.
We do ask for a base levelthere, um, but we're very clear
about that.
So in cases of classes where youneed a base level, we'll, we'll
(18:20):
be clear and we'll let you know.
But for everything else, if, ifwe haven't been explicit, it's
for everybody.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (18:26):
Okay.
back to the instructors, howhard was it for you to find
instructors out there?
Kylie BOW 1 (18:33):
You
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (18:34):
Was that difficult?
Kylie BOW 1 (18:36):
I was lucky.
Um, I inherited some reallyincredible instructors, um, and
for their part they've broughtin a few more.
It's always a challenge to findnew people and it's something
I'm constantly working on.
I.
Um, you know, FWP staff, it'seasy to bug them because I'm
like, Hey, we work together, youneed to help.
(18:59):
in terms of community members,um, and Eastern Montana, we've
always struggled to getvolunteers.
Um, but I was, yeah, very luckyto have a good base when I
started.
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (19:11):
Well that's, that's half the battle right
there.
Um,
Rigger BOW 1 (19:16):
are
Bow 1 - Mic 1 (19:16):
you looking for more instructors?
Is that something you're tryingto add or, um, just in case some
of our listeners out there say,Hey, I might want to do that.
Kylie BOW 1 (19:25):
Absolutely.
We're always interested intalking to people about new
skills or just the same skillsin new places.
We'd definitely love to hearfrom people interested.
Rigger BOW 1 (19:35):
Okay, good to know.
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Rigger BOW 2 (22:39):
So, back to the in instructors Kaylee, what, what
would you say, uh, is itdifficult to find these people
that, that want to, you know,take the time to do this?
Is it, has it been pretty easyfor you?
And number two to that questionis, are you looking for more
instructors?
Kylie BOW 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
You know, looking forinstructors and finding new
people to join the program hasalways been a challenge.
I think there's a lot of peopleinterested in recreating, but
having the, the confidence andthe interest to share that with
others is always, is alwaysdifficult to foster.
So we're absolutely looking fornew instructors, especially in
Eastern Montana.
Rigger BOW 2 (23:22):
Oh, okay.
As I understand it from Montana,there, there are women that can
actually, from other states getinvolved in your program there
in Montana.
Have, have you had goodparticipation from women outta
state that, that say, Hey, I'vealways wanted to learn about
(23:42):
stuff in Montana?
Kylie BOW 2 (23:44):
Yeah, so there's like 38 states that have their
own BOW program,
Rigger BOW 2 (23:50):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (23:51):
'em are in more demand than others.
So we have a handful ofparticipants who come from out
of state, but not a big run ofthem.
Rigger BOW 2 (23:58):
Okay,
Kylie BOW 2 (23:59):
There's always a few though.
Rigger BOW 2 (24:01):
and vice versa.
Uh, can women from Montana getinvolved in those programs in
those other 34 states if theyhave room?
Obviously.
I.
Kylie BOW 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and you know, each state runs theirs just a
little bit different in terms ofsetting priority for their most
popular event.
So you should definitely checkwith the state that you are
interested in participating in.
But a lot of.
A lot of participants go toother states and they bounce
around between a bunch ofdifferent bows because each
(24:33):
state offers something a littlebit different, and it's nice to
get
Rigger BOW 2 (24:36):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's really a neat ideaas far as, you know, if you
wanna branch out a little and,and check out some more.
But I mean, there's just so muchto discover here in Montana, um,
that I, I, I can't imagine that,that this program is ever gonna
go away.
(24:56):
If anything, it's, it, I wouldthink it's just gonna keep
getting bigger and bigger.
Do you find it's getting more indemand, uh, here in Montana?
Kylie BOW 2 (25:05):
I think there's a lot of demand for it.
Um, we're definitely not able toaccommodate every single person
who applies for our classes, andpart of that is because we keep
them small so that we can tailorthe experience and the hands-on
learning to help better fosterparticipants.
Um, so I think there's alwaysgoing to be a good demand for a
(25:25):
program like this.
Rigger BOW 2 (25:27):
Mm-hmm.
I, I, I gotta agree.
I, I just think this is going tobe around a long, long time and
do nothing but get, uh, biggerand better as it goes along.
Um, Um, so.
I.
If people wanna get moreinformation, you know, as, as,
and I'm gonna have links and allthat stuff in our, in our
(25:48):
podcast description page.
And I'll put some links up hereon the screen for everybody too.
But, um, where's the best placeto get more information?
'cause I imagine, you know,we're not gonna answer every
single question in this podcast.
There's gonna be things thatcome up.
Where should they go?
Kylie BOW 2 (26:06):
Absolutely they should check out Fish, wildlife
and Parks website.
So that's fwp.mt.gov.
And in there we have aneducation portion, and from
there you can find BOW.
Uh, my contact information isthere, but that's where all of
our classes are announced.
Initially, and a bulk of theinformation for each class goes
into that website.
Rigger BOW 2 (26:28):
And you know, if you get involved and, and let's
say somebody says, boy, I went,for example, in the case of my
daughter, I went to that, thatbirdwatching one, and it was
phenomenal.
Then they should just.
Share that with other friends.
If they think there's some otherfriends that wanna get involved,
just have'em go to that websiteand that's gonna be their best
(26:48):
bet to to do that.
And do you, you sign up fromthat site as well?
Is that correct?
Kylie BOW 2 (26:54):
Yes, and don't let me forget to tell you that we do
have an email list and everyclass that we post gets emailed
out.
If you sign up for our emaillist, you can find that on the
website, but every class and allthe registration information is
on on that website.
Rigger BOW 2 (27:11):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I think I got myself onthat website'cause I always get
all your updates and all thatstuff.
And in fact, and that's how Igot, uh, my daughter involved
was um, I sent her a, a copy ofthe email and I said, Hey, you
might just wanna think aboutthis.
And she goes, now that to mesounds, that sounds more
interesting.
(27:31):
No offense pop, but.
Rather than you trying to, youknow, push me in this direction
or that, just getting with otherladies and learning about And
she found that was a better wayto, to enter in this whole idea
of getting out and outdoorsmore.
So it, uh.
It's a good way to do it.
And, you know, I, I, us mensometimes we tend to be a little
(27:55):
pushy and not be, oh, you gottado it this way, where it's a lot
better for everyone just todiscover it, you know?
Um, when you talk to ladiesafter they've had, say their
first or second experience, whatare some of the comments that
you get from them?
Kylie BOW 2 (28:15):
You know, it's a wide range.
Some women are taking theseclasses just to try something
new.
Um, and so they're like, well.
was fun.
I don't know if it's for me, um,but they're still glad that they
came out, um, and met some newpeople.
Some of'em may are makingfriends and trying other
activities.
Uh, and some of'em, you know,they fall in love with the
(28:36):
programs.
And I met, uh, an instructor outof, um, Kalispell, who hasn't
typically worked with us, butcame back in, uh, on a special
request from the main instructorand she had taken his class.
And, um, discovered sheabsolutely loved ice fishing and
now she is busy every weekendice fishing.
(28:59):
So it's a wide range.
Rigger BOW 2 (29:01):
Yeah.
And, and that, that's a sportthat I, I guess my daughters
have never liked being cold.
Who does?
But it seems like ice fishing isreally popular with women.
Um, and they're really good atit.
And that's the one thing I'venoticed having all daughters
(29:22):
that I've noticed women tend tolisten better than men.
Sorry guys, but I, I speak fromexperience.
They do.
They, they're great learners andwhen they, they find something
they like, they really get intoit.
And what, why do you supposethat is that that ice fishing
has become so appealing to them?
Kylie BOW 2 (29:43):
You know, it's hard to say and it's different for
everybody.
Some
Rigger BOW 2 (29:47):
Sure.
Kylie BOW 2 (29:47):
that I personally like about ice fishing is it's
fairly relaxing.
Um,
Rigger BOW 2 (29:53):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (29:54):
you get in a, you get in a hole over some perch
and you just get to hang out,uh, and reel up your fish.
It can be very social activityas well.
Uh, and with the rightequipment, you don't have to be
that gold.
Um, and
Rigger BOW 2 (30:08):
Right.
Kylie BOW 2 (30:08):
ton of opportunities, uh, of locations
in Montana to go you know,winter is long and it's
Rigger BOW 2 (30:17):
Exactly.
Kylie BOW 2 (30:18):
and getting out and getting a little sunshine, um,
does wonders for the health.
Rigger BOW 2 (30:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've always said if you don'tfind a winter, um.
You know, hobby of something todo and get out, uh, in Montana,
you're up for a long winter.
And so anytime you can findsomething, whether it's snow
skiing or, or you know, like wewere just talking about ice
(30:44):
fishing or any of that, gottatry it.
Um, I, I think you're gonna loveit.
So as far as, um.
Women that have their firstexperience in these comments
that you get, has there everbeen, um, one of of these
events, one of these bo eventsthat surprised you either in a
(31:05):
good way or bad way or whatever,uh, that you went, huh, I didn't
think that would be a takeawayfor this event.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:12):
You know, I think we learn something every time we
do a class.
Um, even when I'm repeating wisefishing classes, it's a whole
new group of people.
So we're always learningsomething new.
I think,
Rigger BOW 2 (31:23):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:24):
maybe that's the takeaway,
Rigger BOW 2 (31:26):
Yeah.
Kylie BOW 2 (31:27):
things to go a certain way.
Rigger BOW 2 (31:30):
Well, and I, I suppose at times somebody tries
something that you never eventhought of.
Having them do that, all of asudden that becomes part of your
curriculum in a way, I suppose,of, Hey, this person tried this.
I didn't, had no idea to try itthat way.
Um.
As far as things coming up, anyinteresting stuff in the works
(31:54):
that maybe will be new for Bodown the road?
Kylie.
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Do it today'cause hey, we missyou out here.
It's time to come fishing.
Kylie BOW 2 (34:54):
You know, we're always looking to add new
classes.
I think my focus right now isjust getting more instructors on
the ground.
So even if they're teaching thesame skills we offer, we can
offer'em in new places.
That's, that's my
Rigger BOW 2 (35:06):
Ah, yeah, good idea.
What would you say is your hopefor the main takeaway that you
hope women get out of this?
Kylie BOW 2 (35:18):
Out of this podcast.
Rigger BOW 2 (35:20):
No, I, well, out of this podcast or just out of,
out of the bow program ingeneral, if there was one hope
that you had, what, what wouldyou like women to take away from
it?
Kylie BOW 2 (35:31):
I, I think my main goal in coordinating this
program is to give womenconfidence to know that they can
go do these things
Rigger BOW 2 (35:41):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (35:41):
necessarily need someone holding their hand.
If you wanna go with a partneror a friend, all the better.
Um, but my main goal is to givethem the tools to be able to do
these things that if they wantto continue doing them.
Rigger BOW 2 (35:57):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the outdoors is no longerjust a male only deal.
I mean, it, it's far from it.
Uh, believe it or not, there wasa time.
Um, That there, in fact, therewas a law in the books in
Montana said women were notallowed to fish alone.
(36:17):
Uh, and now look how far we'vecome.
Uh, and that's because of womenlike you and, and others, uh,
Kaylee, that have said, no, Iwe're gonna get out there and do
this.
And it really, uh.
I, I have just seen such a, abig change in, in the way
things, uh, go now.
(36:38):
Uh, and that's a great thingbecause the more a family, uh, a
couple, in fact, I just did apodcast, uh, not long ago with a
couple that, uh, met their firstdate was going out fishing.
And they now fish in tournamentstogether.
They, they're, they're like someof the top fishermen in the, in
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the state, and it all startedfrom that one date.
And in fact, uh, she had neverfished before in her life.
And now typically she catchesmore fish than he does.
But it, it was just so neat tosee how they've used the
outdoors as this way that thathas really strengthened and, and
(37:20):
kept the relationship always funand fresh and, and getting out
and doing things.
Um, and I also had uh, thegovernor and First Lady on.
They talked about the same thingof how much they do out in the,
the great outdoors and how muchthat's a big stress reliever and
all that.
(37:41):
Um, and in today's world, youknow, where we spend so much of
our time in front of thesescreens and that, which I'm glad
you folks are there right now,but, um, how is is that for what
you've seen with the, the womenthat participate as far as that?
The, the The outdoors being thatbig stress reliever.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I think it is.
Is for everybody.
I think, you know, medicalprofessionals talk about, um,
nature and outdoors and vitaminD, simple things like that,
Rigger BOW 2 (38:17):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:17):
a really big part of the Montana Way and to be an
inclusive Montana need to helpsupport people getting out,
trying new activities andbecoming participants in these
activities.
So.
Even if you grew up in Montana,maybe you didn't have an
opportunity to try fly fishing,maybe you were a hunting family.
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And so getting
Rigger BOW 2 (38:38):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:39):
new activities, learning a new skill is very
good
Rigger BOW 2 (38:42):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (38:42):
for brain
Rigger BOW 2 (38:43):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's, it, it really is.
Uh, how about as far as likemother daughter do, do you see
that happen in Bo?
Do you see, uh.
uh, mothers bring their, theirdaughters into Bowen.
what is the age, uh, restrictionthere?
Kylie BOW 2 (39:02):
Yeah, so BOW is for 18 and older, so we do have a
Rigger BOW 2 (39:07):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (39:09):
Um, but
Rigger BOW 2 (39:09):
Mm-hmm.
Kylie BOW 2 (39:10):
uh, uh, our programs bring in mother
daughters.
They bring in grandmother,granddaughter, they bring in
sisters.
Um, we had a school reunion oneyear at our summer bow where
four friends from high school wemet.
Yeah.
So
Rigger BOW 2 (39:26):
Oh, that's great.
Great idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a great way to, to, uh,reconnect, uh, you know,'cause
the outdoors, that's one thingthat connects all of us.
Uh, what a great idea.
I I love it.
You know, this, this programhas, has a lot to offer and I
guess the, the reason that Ilike to get you on here is I, I
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just want everyone.
to know about this because.
You You know, as I said,speaking from my experience,
I've always wanted my kids to.
to Get out and get connectedinto the outdoors because it
does change you and it changesyou in an extremely positive
way.
So I, I really hope that's whatpeople take away, uh, from the
(40:14):
podcast when I get you on, uh,Kaylee, is I really want people
to know that, that it is, uh, itis is something they, they
should try and, and don't evergo, oh, I don't know if I'll
like that.
You won't know until you try it.
Uh, and I, I think, do you see alot of those new faces coming
(40:35):
back once they get going in yourprograms?
Kylie BOW 2 (40:38):
We see a handful of new faces either, uh, trying the
same skill again because theyaren't able to get the equipment
or they just like the comradery.
sometimes we get, um, similarfaces trying lots of different
skills'cause we do offer lots ofclasses.
Rigger BOW 2 (40:54):
Mm.
Kylie BOW 2 (40:55):
we do get a lot of new faces.
Rigger BOW 2 (40:59):
Yeah.
Uh, Um, how about cost?
Uh, what is the typical cost ofthese programs?
I'm sure obviously it, it variesdepending on the length and the
complexity of it.
I know like for the summer bowwhere it's, you know, they're,
they're there for three days,that's more, but talk a bit
about cost and, and how you've,I I've just feel that the costs
(41:23):
are very low for these.
It It just seems like you guysdo a great.
job of holding it down.
Kylie BOW 2 (41:29):
Yeah, we, we keep it low, uh, because these are
for everybody and it is a statesponsored program.
So our base rate, um, if allyou're getting is instruction
and loaned equipment is$15 forour classes.
the more we tack onto the classor the more days or the more
meals like the backpacking, itstarts to go up from there.
(41:52):
The backpacking iss running at$65 and then of course, our all
inclusive weekend is, uh,between 250 and$350.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:03):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, but still that's, that'sreally low I, and that's great.
I, I, I love that.
Now there is some possibilitiesfor financial assistance, right.
Kylie BOW 2 (42:15):
On the summer bow program there is because it is
more expensive.
Um, and we want people to feellike they can still come.
So we do offer a hundred dollarsscholarships.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:25):
Mm-hmm.
Um, Um, any, anything else thatyou'd like folks to know about
your program uh, that you wannashare with our listeners while
we got'em here?
Kylie BOW 2 (42:36):
Yeah, I just think, you know, come give us a try.
Um, the whole point of thisprogram is to introduce you to
new things without being crossprohibitive.
So we're here, reach out byemail, um, ask us questions, let
us know what you wanna see onthe landscape too.
We're always looking for new,new activities to try.
Rigger BOW 2 (42:54):
Yeah, Yeah, and I'm gonna put a link to, uh, to
your email address as well.
So folks will be able to justclick on that and it'll populate
the, all the stuff in theiremail program and, and out it
go.
j And just, Uh, you know, askher whatever you want folks,
and, and learn about this and,and see if it's right for you.
And, you know, maybe pick one ofthe, uh, shorter, easier
(43:16):
programs just to make sure it's,it's for you and, and go from
there.
But Don't, uh, don't, uh, knockit till You try it as they say.
Um, I, I really hope that folkswill get out there and do that.
Um, give us that website andother things.
again, just, just so our, ourlisteners, some of the podcast
(43:37):
locations that people get thatare, say audio only and that,
and they don't include mydescription, so give that out
one more time just in case.
Kylie BOW 2 (43:47):
So on the Fish Wildlife and Parks website,
that's fwp.mt.gov.
there you'll find a link toeducation.
And under education, you'll findbecoming an outdoors woman.
Rigger BOW 2 (43:59):
Okay.
So give it give it a shot andgive it a link and, um, be sure
and share this podcast with yourfriends and all that'cause I, I,
I, can feel it already.
Some of you're gonna go, Oh, so,and so would love to do this.
So be sure and share thispodcast and, um, We'll have, uh.
we'll have you on again and asit grows and you find new things
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and, and that let us know.
And of course, always, ifthere's any info you need to get
out that you would like us toshare, let me know.
I'm more than happy to includeit in any podcast and remind
people that there's either toget signed up or that.
So.
Thank you so much.
I really do appreciate youcoming on and spending so much
time with me.
Kylie BOW 2 (44:41):
Thank you for having me.
Manny Close (44:42):
Thanks for listening to the Montana Outdoor
Podcast.
It has been brought to you inpart by Superior Hardwoods of
Montana, home of the largestselection of in stock, high end
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Let them guide you throughtheWoods@superior-hardwoods.com
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So what did you think of today'spodcast?
Send your questions and commentsto down
rigger@montanaoutdoor.com.
We should be dropping a newpodcast this next Saturday.
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Until then, we will see you soonout in Montana's Great outdoors.
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