The Road To Shades Of Otaku w/ @freshroblero | Moon Piece Podcast #62 - Moon Piece Podcast

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Was it I thought they were drinklike the the like the sexy time
stuff like the drugs you take. I thought that's what that was.
No, it was condoms. Oh, my bad.
The. Gas station pills.
I thought, yeah. I thought it.
Was like gas station pills. This podcast is not sponsored.
Not sponsored by Blue Chew guys,I promise.
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(00:49):
Welcome back to another episode of the Moon Peace Podcast where
we talk to you about everything from anime, manga, pop culture,
movies, TV and everything in between.
I am one of your Co host Roanoi Danielle AKA Danny and I am
accompanied by my Co host Corey.Bye bye, bye bye and.
My other Co host Kimmy. Kimmy, hi.

(01:10):
Kimmy Chuan and today we have a very special guest in store for
you folks. He is an independent filmmaker,
actor, creator of the Shades of Otaku documentary and the
Rotunda series. We have Justin in the.
House let's. Go.
Hello, what's up everybody? How y'all doing?

(01:30):
My name is Justin AKA just Afro or just Afro it's really
whatever y'all want to say. Thank you for being here with us
today. Man, thanks.
For coming. Thank you for having me.
Yeah, this, this was actually a minute to to organize, but I'm
very honored to be here. Thank you bro, we appreciate it.
We try to make it happen around Anime NYC because we were part
of the the Anna Anitomo panel, but I think you you got there a

(01:52):
little later. Oh yeah, I definitely robbed 60
times. See, I was running in like with
a briefcase in the book. Bag he came in, he was like, I'm
here for my interview. I'm here looking like Will
Smith, the pursuit of happiness.I felt like pursuit of
happiness. I was like.
These are my kids in the bedroom.
It was put my car in the garage.I didn't even get the ticket.

(02:13):
Like I put the car in the garage.
They were like, Sir, I was like,I don't have time, bro.
In his bagel while he was running.
Tired his time, bro was going crazy.
I have a bagel like. That movie gets me every time.
I have to say the. Level, but I will say the
preview that we did get to see there.
Oh, y'all saw it? Yeah, of course we saw it, bro.
I didn't know anybody was watching at that point.
It was late, it was late, it waslate.

(02:34):
It was like people were leaving.And I was like, don't.
Leave. No, you literally sat everybody
down and you were like, guys, please don't leave.
And like everybody was like, I bet we'll say for you like you
sounded so genuine. We had to say.
All I knew was all I knew that no one else knew that I was
editing that shit. Can I curse?
Yeah, I was editing that shit all night.

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So I was like, even if it's two people, somebody got watched.
Somebody gotta watch. This somebody gotta watch.
That was great. It really looked really nice.
Nice, we'll talk. We'll talk more about that later
once we get into more decent that, but let's get into what we
watching, what we playing our favorite segment to start with.
So we'll start with Kimmy this time around.
All right, so I you guys are going to kill me because I still
haven't watched to be Hero XI wouldn't kill you.

(03:16):
Because I gave up. No, no, no.
Because I. No, no, no.
The thing is, because I am, it'sjust been stupid busy and I want
to sit there and I want to dedicate time to it.
So. But I had friends over and they
wanted to watch something else that's brand new and so I
started a new anime and a. Whole nother anime she wanted to
like make sure she a pilot she loved with love before she

(03:38):
disrespected you I. I tried OK, but to be fair, I
did try to like I was like hey guys, let's just do anime and
it's kind of like my hero. And they were like actually I
want to watch this one. And I was like, OK, so I was
like, I've been outvoted so. You're blaming other people.
It is it wasn't my fault. Accountability.
OK, so it's called the summer hecould have died.
Have you guys heard of it? I've.

(03:58):
Heard of Netflix original 1? Yeah, yes.
Oh my God, it is beautiful. The budget they put into this is
like, it's insane. I'm like, Oh my gosh.
Because it looks like when they give money to shows for a movie,
like for an anime movie, that it, it, every single aspect is
beautiful. There's so much attention to

(04:20):
detail. It literally looks movie esque.
It's a horror anime, essentially.
I'll do that. Yeah, it's essentially a horror
BL, but it's it's very different.
I'm not a horror girly, as I've discussed before, me and Corey
are not horror people, but it's more like creepy vibes at the
moment. Essentially.

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I think the best way you've watched AJK, right?
Yeah. OK, so the best way I can
describe it is what if Gojo became like friends with ghetto
after he was lobotomized? You know what I mean?
Like, and he got to know Kenjaku, you know what I mean?

(05:02):
So what if he was friends with Kenjaku?
Like what if like he had to dealwith Ghetto being dead and he
had to deal with Kenjaku and getting to know Kenjaku?
That's essentially the story. I got you, yeah.
So that's essentially like 3 only. 3. 12O that's yeah,
that's. A light work.
Yeah, light work so. Subbed only or is it dubbed?

(05:23):
I'm watching it dubbed so yeah cuz I was like you know what
it's here we're in a group setting I'll I'll throw it on
dub it's. Good to hear cuz I I wanted to
watch it but I think it when it came out it was only subbed so I
couldn't. When did it come out for you?
Before the summer it. Yeah.
Well, this year, yeah, it just came out.
It just came out maybe on my white.
There's a lot of hype behind. It yes, I've been hearing about
it for. Like 3 weeks now.
You explained that well. I'm I'm intrigued I might watch

(05:43):
it. Yeah.
So, but essentially, yeah, it's been, it's been going around the
circles for a very long time. And I've finally got a chance to
watch at least the first 3 episodes.
And I'm like, you got me. I'm hooked.
I'm intrigued. Very interesting themes.
And you can tell like the underlying issues of like gay
issues that you can tell are there that like you really have
to know what you're talking about.

(06:05):
Yeah, no ball. Yeah, why you look?
Like why you look confused like?No, you gotta no ball you.
Gotta play ball, yeah? Yeah, you thought like
basketball. No, I thought you said you got
a, you got no balls. That's what I heard.
And I was like. That's why she looked at she
like. She's.
Like. What she needs.
For that animal like she's. Like not exactly I was like why

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she look at the view like. Because I was like, this ain't
Donadon, like Hello stop, which I am watching by the way, you.
Finally watched Donadon you. Finished the season did.
You finish season one or two. 2 did.
You finish Season 2. I did not finish Season 2.
Did you start Season 2? I one episode doesn't count OK.
And I guess we will talk about it too much.
You know what? I'm not too crazy about, but for

(06:48):
for some reason I'm not too crazy about being spoiled for
Donadon. No, no worry, It's all fun,
Yeah. That's why, that's why it's
really fun, so. What'd you think about Season 2
then? I really liked it.
I think they went like they wentin a lot more, which I was happy
to see. And you guys know, I already I
watched it in theaters for like the movie for the first 3
episodes. So it was like a great intro and

(07:08):
then they still came out swinging and it just, it was it
was really nice. And I think they did a great job
introducing new characters like what's the fat guys?
Kinta Yeah. Sakata.
Sakata Quinta. Yeah, Quinta with the N Quinta.
Yeah, Quinta. Yes, he was funny as hell.
Yeah. He's off putting in the
beginning like a lot of people don't like.

(07:29):
I like him immediately. No, I was like, I was like, Nah,
he got he. He know what he about.
He's like, I like Max, I like Power Rangers and I am who I am.
And he said, damn, how does man get all these bitches?
What the fuck? He said.
How are you getting these hoes? I I got no hoes.
Yeah, it's pretty much just likeside character who's like also a

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nerd in the school and you know,he's seeing Oka run hang out
with Momo and pink haired girls.She or Tyra?
I was like, what? What you saw this guy just like?
Why? I don't understand what?
Yeah, like. You like how?
He's like you, just like me, forreal you.
Just like me, for real. I'm not shitty.
Bitches. I don't have any bitches.
I'll. Just start following him around.
He start following. He was like yo bro, how you

(08:10):
doing? How you doing?
Like what you doing you? Just be talking dirty.
Why you have to talk my balls? Yeah, I'm doing dirty talk.
I'm trying dirty talk with y'alltoo.
And they're like. Hell.
And they're like, I can't dirty talk you too.
And she's like, get away. From.
Me. That's actually.
Funny. It's hilarious bro.
Oh my God. So I highly recommend.
Definitely definitely watch. So I like it.
What? Do you think of that ending
though you had a? Very surprise ending and you

(08:34):
said my theory was wrong about why it happened, so I'm.
Sick. She's sick.
She's like, well. And I was like, damn, son, so
you want, I don't want to spoil that.
Yeah, that's actually. Like, no, that's that's.
That's that's like the the wholesurprise.
No, no, no, yeah, I can't. OK so I won't spoil that, but

(08:54):
something crazy happens and I had a theory about it and I was
like. Is it like 'cause you were
right? Are you mad 'cause you were
wrong? He's he's telling me I'm wrong
but I'm like but what other? Reason He's telling you were
wrong. Are you wrong?
Are you right? Danny reads it, so he knows.
So OK. So she's just like, she saw the
finale and she had a theory and Danny was like, no, that's not
it. He's like, that's not it.
So I was like, damn, son, OK. Alright, keep on guessing.

(09:15):
Gotta keep on. You do, though you do gotta keep
people guessing the big. Expectations.
What else? What else you watching?
I'm finishing up my dress up, darling.
I finally got to that episode that you were referring to.
You still didn't finish it. Finish it.
I didn't finish it finish it because it, I'm, I'm watching
the English, so I'm 2 episodes behind, but only because I don't
want to finish it in Japanese, you know, I don't want to

(09:37):
switch. Do you know what my dress up
darling is? I do, but I don't I don't watch
it. You should not for, not for
everybody. It's good, OK.
I'll watch it eventually. The cosplay anime.
OK. So it's literally anime about
cosplay? Like it.
I don't think Danny would like it, I feel.
Like he would, he would get he would get a little Kiki out of
it. It's.
Like so like slice of life on steroids, you know what I mean?

(09:59):
So like it's. A very slice of life.
It's a comedy. Yes.
Yeah. I find it funny, but like you
might not find it funny. It's not a comedy, it's like
romance more. And Corey's more open to, like,
everything, you know, they call him Rental Corey.
I didn't know. I didn't know who's.
I didn't know. I didn't know who's bringing
that into the main episode. That was only for the streams.

(10:20):
That is a stream only maybe in. The comments.
That's a crossover episode, yeah.
It's because I've watched Rent aGirlfriend.
I dropped it. First of all, the new season.
Yeah. And now they just won't.
Let it go to the season. Watch the 1st.
Two seasons, a lot of the fans won't let it go, so they'd be in
the comments. So you just got.
I know. So you didn't do it though.
No, I you got to see it through.I just watched the first two.

(10:41):
I saw the first two seasons thriller.
It's because I saw I see it through.
I stick to the model. But what you think about that
moment in my dress up, darling? I was, I was surprised, but I'm
like OK, OK, so 'cause like, OK,essentially.
Yeah, yeah. You're right.
You're right. You're right.
So essentially the main character is like a girl, and

(11:05):
she's Marin. Yeah.
Her name is Marin and Gojo. So Marin and Gojo.
And they're both very chill, andshe's like super Yadu, like,
cute girl everything. And this is what they look like.
Yeah. So that's what they look like.
So Gojo. Gojo makes all of her cosplays,
so he Yeah, so they got into. That he's a doll maker, so like

(11:28):
he's. A doll maker, he.
Was a weirdo shut in and she. And she was like, Oh my God, you
know how to sew, can you help me?
And he was like, you know, why is this popular girl talking to
me like that kind of thing? And he's learning to make
friends all that it's, it's really cute.
There is fan service, very old school fan service, which is
very funny to see because I feelyou don't see that every now.
Let's old school fans, I was going to say, let's describe
that for everyone. I feel like they don't be having

(11:50):
fan service in most animes that I can't too much.
What's what's old school versus new school fans?
Are that's how I want to know I I would consider it tasteful OK
fans. OK, tasteful fans.
That's that creeks to. Old.
OK, you're right, you're right, you're right.
Food. Wars.
Sand service, yeah. It's not food wars.
It's not token on key. It's like breasts with no
nipples. Yeah.

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That's old school. Fans are.
I'm serious. That's.
Old. No, you're right.
You're thinking old, old school.Yeah, yeah, it's.
Tasteful. It's.
Tasteful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's tasteful. It was everybody had was like,
what's old school? I know.
Yeah, you're right. What's the new school?
What's the new school? New.
School, right? Tomiki from from fire force.
That's new school fan service. Yeah, that's new school, that's

(12:33):
new schools, it's new school is like when it's just like oh
y'all just OD in there Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I hate that
like. No, I hate that.
Like even one piece of balance between old school and new
school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause like,
no, it's, it's leading to new school actually.
OK, it used to be old school, but now it's new school.
OK, yeah, so it's not, it's not new school, but yeah, like you
said, it's more tasteful. And so basically, you know,

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shenanigans happen and he has tostay over her house because, you
know, the trains missed it, blah, blah, blah.
And she's like, and they're like, you know what, let's just
go to the convenience store, let's get some supplies, you
know, so you can stay the night,be good.
And he's like, all right, fine. And he's like freaking out
because he's like, that's so rude.
Like a guy staying over at a girl's house.
That's so weird. So he's like, I'm going to, I'm

(13:19):
going to take some energy drinksand I'm going to stay up all
night. If I don't sleep, it doesn't
count as me sleeping over. And she's like, and so exactly.
So she comes over and she's like, hey, what are you doing?
She's like, I'm, he's like, I'm going to get one of these and
I'm not going to sleep. And meanwhile, where she's
looking at her perspective, it looks like he's taking like,
like, like. The condoms and the energy

(13:40):
drinks were right next to each other.
But not just the condoms. It was like get.
Ready the extra large condoms, the magnums.
Was it I thought they were drinklike the the like the sexy time
stuff like the drugs you take. I thought that's what that was.
No, it was condoms. Oh, my bad.
The. Gas station pills.
I thought, yeah. That's what I thought they were.
Like gas station pill type. Blue Chew Blue Chew This podcast

(14:02):
is not sponsored. Not sponsored by Blue Chew guys,
I promise. I got a.
Good ad for it though, like. Anyways, I thought, yeah, so
like, she thinks that he's getting like, condoms and he's
like, I'm not gonna sleep. So she's freaking out.
I'm not we gonna stay up all night because like this was like
the the perspective, like say Kimmy is her and like I'm him

(14:24):
like looking he's like bending down kind of looking in the
aisle, like kind of on the ground and she's like above him.
So like he's looking at the energy drink, but she doesn't
see the energy drinks drink. She see everything to like to
his right. So it's all condoms down the
rest of the thing, but the energy drinks is right.
Like just crazy. Yeah.
Like putting the Red Bulls and the monsters next to the Magnums

(14:47):
and the Trojans is wicked. Yeah.
So that's. A good product place.
Yeah, so she starts. So she starts.
Going getting paid, yeah, getting paid for none of this
so. She starts going crazy.
She's like, so we're about to doit.
Wait. Like I gotta prep, I gotta wear
my sexy underwear. She's like, am I ready for this?
She been spicy because she been acting like she wanted smoke.
You know, this. She was like kind of giving off
like, yeah, I'm gonna keep messing with him.
I'm gonna keep poking, but I'm gonna keep flirting with him.

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But like now, it's like he finally was.
Like but when he's like, oh, I'mI'm with the shit, she's like.
It's one of those shy characters.
Like, I don't think she would ever like me.
I'm totally. Thinking yeah, but when he
locked in, he lock in she. Wants him.
Yeah, so they they have some moments, but everything but
seeing that episode, I was like,Corey was like, yo, you you
watch the episode yet? So that was is.
He about to pull a master ShinjiApothecary Diaries.

(15:36):
No, no, no, that's what she's thinking.
I thought you were asking. I thought you were asking.
But I'm like trying to rethink the scene.
I'm like, wait me. Too Did the episode happen?
Like do we know what happens after?
Yeah, it happened this. This just happened.
It's been happened. Season ended the season.
Just ended. They went back to her crib.
Yeah. Yeah.
And did they? No, 'cause she was sitting there

(15:56):
and she was like waiting for. An energy drink, not condoms.
Yeah, he bought energy drinks. OK, did that get cleared up
then? Yeah.
It did OK. Well, maybe you should watch him
find out. It's 'cause he actually did stay
up all night. She passed out from 'cause she
was getting nervous. She was like, I'm, she's like,
I'm putting my nice stuff on, blah blah.
Like it never. She started getting she was
nervous as hell. Then she was like, he was like

(16:16):
oh let's eat. Then he fed her and she was
cooked. Yeah.
Pass right out. You know, we've all been there.
Yeah, she ate and then she went to sleep.
Nothing happened. Nothing.
And she's like. She's like, what happened?
Wait a second. She woke up the next morning
like. She woke up.
She's like hello? And he was like, I said I wasn't
going to sleep and with the energy drink and she's like, oh,

(16:36):
so I'm dumb as fuck. Bro.
He's playing a video game like Resident Evil the whole night.
Crazy, crazy which that by itself that.
Yeah, she got dark, that shit was.
Crazy. The game, the game.
He played some horror game in there and that shit.
That's why he did that come up all night.
So like the next morning he was like stressed out because he's
never really, he doesn't know. He doesn't play video games like

(16:58):
that either. He was recommended this game
from a different group of cosplaying girls who are also I
guess crazy because they like this game.
So he was. Actually, comedy.
Yeah, that was it was layers to it.
He recommended that from them, Yeah.
That's terrifying. So all exactly, all these
adorable girls, they're like, Ohmy God, you should totally play
this game, say. Murder, murder death bot.
Yeah, exactly. That's essentially and they was

(17:18):
like. Call us as soon as you finish
the game. That's really what they said to
them and they call us. And then he called.
He actually did call them. He was on the thing like mad,
stressed out. He was like.
That was batshit crazy. He was like, I can't believe
this shit. And they was over here like, Oh
my God, yo, I love people's first.
Reaction to watching it. Fucking psychopath.
Yeah, and. He's sitting there like I don't
know how you guys are doing. This.
We've all been there. Wild, wild.

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That's how I felt watching a Devil Man crybaby.
I never watched it. Don't what?
Oh devil man crybaby? I thought you meant Devil man
Cry. No.
No, no, no, devil, man, crybaby,she.
She stopped. Just like Devil man, no.
No, not the other one. It is a very weird show.
Have you ever watched it? It's.
Worth the watch? I don't, have you ever watched
it? No, but I know of it.

(18:01):
No. And most people are either just
like, yeah, it's cool, or it's like, Nah, it's, it's it, it
doesn't. Not itchy.
Like it's not, it's not it. No, it's.
It's just like the villains win.That's it.
It's very fucked up. So I was I was tricked into
watching it because people were drawing so much cute like fan
art on on Twitter. So I was like, oh, this show

(18:23):
look real cute. I like these characters.
Look, let me check out the show.Wrong.
Wrong. I was so wrong.
Well humbled. I was so humbled.
It was gross, terrible. But yeah, so I watched that.
I watched that. Still watching Jojos.
You almost. Done.
We're not going to ask you nothing.
You're. Just almost done.

(18:44):
I don't know. I don't know.
I'm still going. Well, I'm so it's I'm dragging
my feet like. You don't know if you're almost
done. I'm like on the third JoJo just.
Put in. While you're doing I am, I do
not launch. It.
No, there is. I know there is.
Have you watched Jojos? I am on Part 3, but I don't I
don't have time to watch. Yeah, so.

(19:04):
That's where they're at. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm on the same part. So yeah, I use it as a laundry
show. So like when I'm doing things,
I'll like have it on. How do you feel about Jojos so
far? I like Jojos, OK, I like it.
I I think it's cool. It like one it's it one's art
style is obviously like older, so I'm fine with that.
I'm that's not something that phases me.

(19:25):
I've always heard Part 3 is likethe best.
Really what I've heard until youget to like later.
Like in what like 5 I hear is also really good.
Everyone tells me that 4 is the best.
Well. Isn't three and four like both
Joe Toro? Like isn't 3 and 4?
No, Joe Toro's only three. OK, right.

(19:45):
So Part 1 has Jonathan, Part 2 has Joseph, and Part 3 has Joe
Toro and Joseph. Then part 4 has Joske.
Right, right. OK.
So yeah, I do also hear 4 is really good too.
But three and four, three and four are the ones I hear is
really good. I I'm, I'm cool with it.
I know that it gets better though.
Yeah. So I'm kind of just waiting for
that. Yeah.
Yes, which is definitely where she's at.

(20:05):
Yeah. It's not even good to me.
It's not even good to her. It's.
Boring to me, I'm just like thisis just.
Don't make you laugh. Ever.
Not even the music. The music's cool.
Like that's cool. Like amazing.
Yeah, no, it's cool. Like the visuals are nice, but
I'm just, I'm not, I'm not entertained.
It's very boring. So it's just the guys trip guys,

(20:26):
you know? She was watching current 90
Sailor Moon now she would not survive.
She would have been dropped it. No, I watched.
I mean I. I know you watched it, I'm
saying, but if you was watching it now because it's they're so
the same like watching same old episodes and watching some of
the. Stardust.
Crusades, it's so the same. Very villain of the week.
I mean, yeah, it is villain. I mean, in that aspect, the

(20:46):
villain of the week, that's like, it's fine.
I understand, 'cause I did do that and I realized you can't
binge it. You know, it's not a bingeable
thing. It's villain of the week.
Who are we fighting? And I understand that.
So it's just, I don't know. But the backgrounds I don't
know. I don't think Stardust Crusades
is the best. I've never said I it's it's just
too shown in and it's just like,OK, but it's for the time for

(21:08):
when it came out fantastic, likeit came out in the 80s.
So it's like I can't judge it with the same lens as like a
current manga or anime. Right, right, right.
So I don't know if you know, butshe's we're the Moon Piece
podcast, right? But me and Daniel are watching
Sailor Moon for the first time. Yeah, now and I'm watching 1.
Now she's watching One Piece, sowe've been.
That's a great synergy, right? There so we've been streaming it
so she are you how far are you? Are you caught up in one piece?

(21:31):
I'm not caught up in one. Piece How far are you I?
You know, I don't even remember when I last so because I stopped
watching one piece and only caught up via friends and and
like, like I did not catch up onmy own.
Like I've caught up because I hear something about Wayno and I
caught up because I hear something about like whatever
other art and I just keep hearing more and more.
I'm like, all right, I've piecedit together, but I haven't.

(21:52):
I've pieced it together, but I haven't one piece myself.
That's hilarious. So you never watched it?
No, no, I've watched One Piece, but I because again, I'm I'm I'm
older generation anime. I watched it when it start, when
it came on to me originally, andI stopped probably around I
think around crocodile for like very early right, and then I

(22:16):
never watched it again. Wow, like I never watched it
again, not because like I didn'tlike it, it was just I never
went back to it, and by the timeI went back to it, we were deep.
So everything from there on, it was all either like a little bit
of manga reading, a little bit of just being around, like, oh,
and it's like, oh, and then thishappened, and then that
happened. I'm like, OK, now I'm kind of

(22:36):
caught up in a sense. Like there's no reason I should
be caught up to Gear 5 Luffy because I don't like this.
Well, she she ain't that far. She ain't that far yet, right?
So she don't know what gears areyet.
So she. No, but I've heard of Gear 5
Luffy. I know, I know the term.
I don't know. I don't know what you know.
You got the cloud head and all that.
It's kind of, it's kind of hard to miss.
I can either confirm nor deny. He has a tattoo of it.
Does he? Yeah.

(22:57):
Do I you? Do.
So so then to cut you off, the reason I got back into wanting
to start again was the live action.
Actually. Nice.
I really really liked the live action.
Like a lot. Me too, and.
It made me want to be like you know what let me go back to one
piece. So that's the reason why I'm
even cuz honestly, without that,I don't know if I had to pick it

(23:18):
up sooner until maybe it was closer to the very end and then
I would have or until they started the the new, the new
one, the one piece. Yeah, then I'll probably be
alright. Let's let's run this.
Let's run this gone dude. So she's been she's been
streaming one piece now and she's about a little bit before
where you stopped from back in the day.
Yeah. So she's like a I'm talking
about, well, she just started like 2-3 months ago.

(23:40):
She streams one. OK, OK.
Yeah, so I I'm, I'm watching 1 pace to make it faster and I
just met Robin. That's an cowboy hat, girl.
You just finished half a little garden.
Yeah, so that's what. I with the Giants and stuff.
What you what you think about the Giants and all that?
Interesting is very it gives a broader perspective of like, oh,

(24:01):
this ain't just human people. Like there's, you know, more
monsters, there's more out there, like.
The races of people. Yes, different variety of
people. So it gives more of a
perspective of that world building, which I thought was
cool. Got to get the wax powers I was
going. To say what you think of the
villains #3 and Mr. 3 and. Was that Mister 5 snot man?

(24:23):
Nasty you? Remember the snot dude?
The guy with the booger bombs. That was disgusting and that's.
That's a choice too. He doesn't have to.
He doesn't have to do the booger.
Percent like he chose to do that.
Man's got sinus issues, the allergies, Yeah, He work with
what you got. And then she's also been doing
Kingdom Hearts too. Yeah, for the.
First time. Yeah, I've never played Kingdom
Hearts before, so. Are you on Part 1?
I'm on the second one so we did 1 and I watched the stuff for

(24:48):
Chain of Memories so I know whathappened there.
You should don't play that. Yeah, don't play that and also
don't, yeah, don't play it, but don't play it too like.
He's like, actually just don't play it.
Yeah, like, yeah. And then, so right now you're in
the middle of two or you're. At pretty much the end of two.
She just made to the world that never was.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(25:09):
So that's where I'm at. So I'm getting my ass booked.
She got humbled. Yeah, I'm gonna.
You will get humbled. There humbled dual wielding man
with a cloak. Yeah, I don't spoil it, but I'm
assuming it's Roxis. The chat was spoiling it.
Yeah, the chat kept saying it. I know the chat people people
was delete. I think devil was deleting the
chat. But people kept on saying who it
was. I was like, I watched it back.

(25:29):
I was like, This is why they people hate everybody.
Probably can't have nothing nice, yeah?
I was like, my mods couldn't modfast enough.
People were just talking so muchshit.
So it was. Which Which of the forms is one
of your favourites? I'll so I like the demon form,
the anti form. I think he looks so.
Funny when he's like, when he's like all black, yeah.

(25:50):
All black and he's Smokey. I hate, I hate that form because
of what it does. What does it do?
It's. Like it's just like, it was
crazy. But it's such a double edged
sword though. Wow 'cause like when it's.
Done. You're like gone.
Like when you're done, when it'sexhausted, you're done.
You gotta you gotta hit the elixir if you.
Didn't put in that work if you didn't put in that work while
you were in anti. Sora form.
It's a berserk mode for A. Reason.

(26:11):
Yeah, it really is. It's so cool he goes fucking we
ball literally fucking people that.
Wisdom form who? Literally.
No, Oh my God, it's it's. So.
Cool the the aura crash just. It's crash out for him.
Crash out for him. He goes ape shit like OK and no
escape for real like wow. It's crazy.
Got to see RIP Axel. Yeah, Axel died.

(26:33):
That was crazy, boy it. Was like.
I didn't even like him at first.Now you said he was.
'Cause he was annoyed I. Could tell, I could tell why.
Like I feel like if you said I didn't like Axel I I could
understand though he was not annoying.
He was just annoying. Got it memorized.
He wasn't like, I didn't not like him.
I hate nominee, whatever the fuck her name is really.
Not what nominee do Oh. Don't get her started.

(26:54):
You might as well get her started.
Though. What nominee?
Do I? Don't like her name?
It's stupid, but what did nominee is.
She went bro, she was. Yo, the nominee said on this
podcast is crazy. As big.
What'd she do? She's fake ass.
She literally was though I. Know you're right, but at the
same time then like she started OK, so I was like OK, fine, you

(27:14):
know, she was manipulated, all that kind of stuff right Then
she started coming back and start acting brand new like.
Hi Sora, this. Isn't that I was like, girl,
don't, do not, do not. And she was like, oh, yeah,
Kyrie's here. Yeah, She's the one you really
like. But like, I'm here too.
I'm like, girl, go. That's.
Great go. I'm sorry.

(27:37):
But either way, I was like, I'm not about it.
Hate this girl. Nope.
Away. Get away from Sora, Kyrie, Riku,
come get your man. Like, you know what I mean?
So. But this is it's a good time.
I'm having a great time. And that's good.
As you should. Yeah.
So that's that's one. Of your favorite worlds that you
visiting. Kingdom, that's a real good
question. Because you have a lot of
different. Don't say Atlantica.

(27:59):
No, no, Atlantica hasn't been that fun.
That was your favorite? The first one it.
Wasn't about to say it wasn't asgood as ones.
Yeah, yeah, because. They stick you in some damn
singing games, yeah. It's all the singing games.
I was like, bro, can I? Swim.
I want to swim I. Want to ride with the dolphins?
Like it's so much fun. I don't know this one king.
World. Lion King was OK.

(28:20):
Tron. Tron.
Tron was very cool. I love.
Pirates of the Caribbean Pirates.
That's. The.
Favorite one? Pirates.
Actually, it's OK, It was good. It's hard to pick a favorite.
There. Yeah, because I I liked top
three. Top three.
Yeah, top three is fair. OK, so I liked.
Those are Beauty and the Beast in this one.

(28:41):
That one was cool. Yeah, that one was cool.
It wasn't my favorite. Mulan wasn't a favorite either.
You like Mulan? No, it was cool.
It just oh. Yeah, favorite.
I love, I like Mulan's. We have the Thomas River.
One I like Mulan the. Black and white.
That one the the black and. White one that.
Was that was fire? That was fire.
I remember the first time I saw that plane it like.
Yeah, I was too. I was.
Oh yeah, this is my daddy's level, Yeah.

(29:02):
Crazy. The Grandmaster.
But yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, I.
Think Halloween Town, too. That's always top.
This one, yeah. Halloween Town is always top.
This town in the. Yeah, you got a Christmas.
That one was pretty cool, I think I don't in no particular
order, because I don't know which one is my favorite because
Twilight Town is cool by itself,you know what I mean?
So I think that, you know, it's nice.

(29:23):
It's nice to explore and everything but out of the
outside town. Is the worst.
Damn. Sigh up I've ever seen.
Damn. She's like, I like Twilight.
I like running around. The train.
I was a kid the amount of times I got though how long has.
It stopped. I would get lost in there more
than travelers. In like a stream I did a stream.
And a half. I was there for years.

(29:46):
You merely. Adopt the darkness, I was born
in it. With no one to talk to, the chat
wasn't there chat. Game I had game facts.
That's crazy. I would take breaks, like mental
breaks as a child. Like I can't do this.
I can't do this anymore. Like I'm spending time after
school to be stressed. I can't.

(30:06):
I got to go to sleep and wake upand try this.
Again, I was losing sleep in school.
The wonders of Twilight Time. Who cares?
Where's Sora? Sora.
Where's? Sora because you didn't even
have your boy. Like who?
Who is this? Blog.
She's also eating. Go here.
Yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah. I was.
I was tight in the beginning. I was like, where's Laura?
I was like, what the fuck is this Roxy dude?

(30:28):
I was. Like twilight Twilight town so
you get 3 top. Three, I didn't say that.
I. Just.
Said I thought it was. Cool, I said.
It was cool. I said Twilight Town was cool.
Don't even bring it up. But not.
You triggered three men, Three grown men.
Well, I wasn't hating on Twilight Town.
Oh my God. OK, I liked pirates.
I liked so that's definitely oneI just hated how hard it was I

(30:48):
it took me a while to figure outhow to kill the pirates, you
know later on, so that's definitely one of them Tron.
I do. I did like Tron.
Tron was super dope. Fucking.
Bike. Yeah, the bike, Oh my God, the
bike things awesome. And 3rd would probably be like I

(31:08):
said, I can't do Atlantic anymore 'cause this one was ass.
I hated Hercules this round. I like that one was just that's.
Anybody likes? I love those.
That's fair. I love.
The first underworld though. The underworld was cool.
It was cool. That was cool.
Just multi tournaments. Not yeah, not my favorite.

(31:30):
Who? Doesn't like a tournament arc.
I love the tournament. Arc yeah, I would say maybe
Nightmare before Christmas. That was cool.
It was like it was nice seeing the the those are those are
three. Valid ones.
Those are great ones, yeah. Those are three valid ones.
What about you? You remember.
I remember I know Halloween timewas always Michael always like
one and two Halloween time was always it nice.

(31:51):
I did like the world. Ohh the.
World that never was. Yeah, that's what she said.
OK, cool. She's literally like the end,
basically the end of the game. So she's going to get humbled
for like 4 streets. You are about to get humble.
But I like the World That Never Was, mainly because the music.
I love the score. Yo, it felt like you.
Were the score fighting on the platform?

(32:12):
When you're fighting homie with the two, it feels like you're in
there. Like it feels like you're in
you're you're really at the end of like the world kind of thing.
So I really like the world. And it was.
And then probably Tron because Tron very cool.
The life cycle shit is just crazy.
So cool. Yeah, mines is Tron Mulan

(32:32):
because I really I do like the Mulan stage and it might be
nightmare because Pirates I had I was having a hard time as a
kid playing pirates. I was like, didn't know where I
was going. The way they looked freaked me
out if I'm being. Honest, it's really off putting.
It's really on campus. It was.
It's like you guys couldn't, youdidn't have to make it look like

(32:53):
this. Cartoon.
You could. You could just made them a
cartoon. You didn't.
But actually might have been. That reason it's probably like
one of my least. Favorite worlds?
Yeah, it's actually the creepiest level.
It's mad dark. I never liked.
It it's foggy, so it's like playing Resident Evil.
Yeah, you got zombies. Chasing you and like Kimmy said,
like you got to figure out how to kill him.
Yeah, it's not fun. Yeah, All right.

(33:15):
Well, Danny, what are you watching?
What are you playing? You don't play nothing but yeah.
I watched the Demon Slayer movie.
Yay I. Guess I watched bozo.
You haven't watched it yet? It's OK, you don't have to what
I think like you can wait. Lies.
I keep spoiling, I don't care, remember?
Well, I'm not. I don't need to talk about
anything that happened in the movie.
I just feel like I've really just lost touch with Demon

(33:38):
Slayer. OK, I think that obviously it
looked absolutely amazing. Of course it was gorgeous.
Demon Slayer movie looked gorgeous.
They really put their foot in it.
There's no denying that. I just, I think like the story
for me, just it's not hitting, it's not striking any chords as.
Crazy. As much as I would want it.
To well, you read it ages ago, right?

(34:00):
Yeah, yeah. So.
You finished five years ago likeyou finished.
So, and I, I just think like maybe at the end of the day,
they're taking an arc and they're splitting it into 3
movies. And I guess just the way it's
like Spaced out, I mean, there are three arcs, like you said,
there are three arcs in the movie, but I don't know, for
some reason it's just like it doesn't feel complete.
I understand why it doesn't feelcomplete, but for like a movie I

(34:24):
I think it I think you can wait until it comes out on streaming.
Did you watch it? I've seen it twice.
Oh, OK, yeah, I I personally loved it, so I thought it was
fire. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't say that I loved it though.
But I mean enough to see it twice.
But I'm a movie person. If I like something and at least
a little more than like I'm going to see it again.
I love something. I'm going to what?
Were your thoughts on the pacing?

(34:45):
The pacing was a problem, facingwas a problem, even though even
even though they for what they had tackled, they did an amazing
job because as and as you guys know, like whenever they try to
adapt anime or cartoon into a live action thing, there's not a
it's either needs to be a show or it needs to be broken into
movies because there's so much to convince.

(35:06):
So I think they did a good job of that, but opposed to the show
of demon Slayer. It works when you do that whole
and like. I'm not spoiling what happens
but like when you have the formula of.
That's what happens. And then we get a back, and then
we get the demon's back story. It works in like show format.
Yes. In movie format, it's a little
disjointed. I agree.
Because it's. The movie's not done.

(35:27):
Yeah, like the movie's not done.So you're you're breaking.
You're stopping. You're stopping.
You're stopping. And then you had a really long
break at the end. That's true.
Because of Akaza. Akaza you.
Really can't spoil it. He does not care.
Because of Akaza story, you had a really long break at the end
and it didn't serve the momentumbecause there was no action
after that. Like there wasn't it.
There wasn't anything else afterthat.

(35:49):
So it was different. If that was like a third, that
was like a 40 minute thing, I guess the story was like 25 to
30 minutes. Did feel long?
I was personally, it was beautiful.
I didn't think it was. It didn't feel long at all to
me. I going in there because I did
you read it before, have you? No.
That was my first. Experience, OK, that was also my
first experience with it. So I thought the pacing was for

(36:09):
me personally was good because Iwent through, it was like, OK,
that section's done, that section's on, this section's on,
and it just went and it was justvery emotional.
And I feel like that's really what kept.
So even after that, it's like, OK, So what is he going to do
next? This happens, OK, OK, we can all
breathe now, OK. And then it's the end of the
movie. It's like it feels like almost
relieving, but also still you'relike, OK, but what's going to

(36:30):
happen next? So I see where the continuation
happens, but I feel like it's still a steady 123.
Like the pacing seemed good to me so.
Well, what I noticed with you isthat you you seem to have a
easier time digesting movies andlike shows like how you like
kind of like intake it like the pace of a movie has never been I
guess seemed like an issue to you out of all the things I've

(36:51):
heard you talk about. So it's interesting to hear that
they are saying like the pacing was off and like you're like
Stitch. It was fine to me.
It was, yeah, it was fine to me.And the people I went with, they
also said it was fine. But I've heard a lot of people
complain about it because like, literally a friend of mine was
like tweeting about it beforehand and she was like, I
thought the pacing was ass and Iwas like, damn.
So we'll see. I should probably go see it in

(37:12):
theaters. I would say, I would say only
say it in see it in theaters because of like you said, the
animation and the sound mixing to see in a theater.
I'm a big again, I'm a film person.
So seeing having theater experiences for me like is big.
Yeah, to see anime on that scaleis fucking so wild.
Like whether you like it or not.Like seeing it on a screen.

(37:33):
It's new age. It was, we were never here
before. So this is like it's taking
advantage of it. It's.
Crazy. And it's beautiful and I like I
said, I liked it. There's things I was like, OK,
of course I would like better, but I still liked it enough to
see it twice. I want to see it in IMAX again.
I would probably see it again. I will say the big difference
from like the manga to because obviously Demon Slayer's biggest
strength is the animation because if you look at the manga

(37:56):
it's Kaka right? The sauce they put on Zunitsu.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Hey does that man look like a hewas on demon?
Yo. Truly.
They had that red lighting on him.
How is this the same? Bro even even the like the look
that he gives him when he was like talking like you were so
trash and like that face. Oh my.

(38:16):
God crack him, yeah. He literally on demon.
Time locked in, locked in. So he's like, I don't need to be
asleep to whoop you ass. Shortest part of the movie.
Yeah, shortest. Part Yeah.
Bitch that boy out wow made light worker him if that felt
really. Good, it was so good, it was so.
Satisfying when he cried for hisfor his part, was good, that
was. What is good?

(38:36):
Oh my God, what his grandpa I soI didn't cry in the first part,
but I cried when Danito grandpa was like, you were my pride and
joy, I said. Yeah.
Yeah, I was more emotional for that than a cause.
The story actually A cause. The story was beautiful though.
I was more emotional story. Really did get me though.
It was. It was beautiful, got me it.
Got me too, but I did cry more for the zenitu thing than I did

(38:57):
for causes. The cause the story was done.
It was very. Well, so.
I really sold for. That man.
Yeah, at that point, like when Moozan just, like, stabbed him
through the head, Yeah, Yeah, I just want to forget.
He's like, I don't care, just let's go.
I don't. Ever want to remember?
Kill me and I will go on a murder spree.
He was human. He went, he knocked on that
dojo's. Door ran all that y'all didn't

(39:20):
think. I'd come through.
Y'all didn't think I would. I would run in the hands.
Hold up. You want to 60. 7 trained men.
Grown. Ass grown ass men.
He said that. Bones stomp on, skull smashed.
He said. No.
And then the way Moozan pulled up on him is like, he's like,
there was a demon in town. But I don't remember sending

(39:41):
anyone here. Yeah.
Yo, I must be you killed. Me killed me.
I was like Moozan, shut the fuck.
Up. So yeah, I'm glad I saw it.
The second one. I I expect good things.
Obviously now we're now we're fighting upper one.
I hear the. Second one is gonna go way
harder, yeah. Upper 2 is still there.
She was Batman dog. Walk DOMA.

(40:01):
Dog walk she no Boo. Dogma.
Oh, I felt I. Knew it.
I knew it the second she the second she was getting more and
more pissed. I was like, no, no, I already
know what's gonna happen. I already.
The second she went in, I was like, this can't end well.
Yeah, but it just won't. When she was by herself.
And she was by herself with upper two.
I was like this. This is not.
Girl, who is saying you by yourself?

(40:21):
It's not going to go. Well like I went with my
girlfriend, she doesn't know anything about human Slayer
except for the first episode. She just wanted to go because
she saw so much hype about. Oh wow.
And I double dated. So and she headed.
As she know who's fighting upper2II leaned in on into her.
I was like, this is like the third strongest guy in the whole
thing because like she thinks. She thinks she knows, like she

(40:43):
got a chance. And then she started getting
fucked up and my girlfriend's like, she's going to be OK.
No, she doesn't have this. Just hey, I know you picked a
fave early on. This is not.
This is not the type of show like.
Who's your favorite character? It's like, I don't think we
should have favorite characters in this show.
Everyone is created equal. I'm.
Telling, you know, it's called Demon Slayer, but they also get

(41:05):
slave, Yeah. It's actually human Slayer.
But another thing I watched and it was a wild ride, the Charlie
Sheen documentary on Netflix. I was thinking about watching
that. I was thinking about watching.
That I want to. I just didn't know if I would
discover anything I didn't know.Right now you will.
OK. You will.

(41:25):
Will I learn how to cook crack? No Crack cocaine.
Crack cocaine. Cocaine.
I so obviously we were all therelike we were in high school, so
you know our. I was there.
Played these games. Before.
Not really, though. Never.
Don't cry, no. Not that, but you.
Will find out like other things like they like he does so he's

(41:46):
been eight years sober at this point OK right.
And he ate. The way.
He's talked about his life like,wow, the 90s really were a
different time. Jesus Christ.
Like, I don't, I don't know how much I can really talk about.
And are you going to watch it? I'm going to watch it.
I'm going to watch it. I'm not going to say too much
about it. I definitely recommend the

(42:08):
Charlie Sheen documentary because just hearing about some
of his escapades in the 90's, the early 2000s, I didn't know
him and Nick Cage were like bestfriends and it makes so much
sense. It makes mad sense when you say
it out loud. Yeah, yeah.
They. Look about the type.
Especially after seeing that Pedro Pascal movie The Weight of
the Weight of Unbearable, it wasactually pretty funny.

(42:30):
It looks like it'd be funny. I didn't see it.
I didn't see it though. It's.
Obviously tragic because he was,he was an addict, he was an
addict. He went through a lot, but
there's also a lot of crazy stories.
So it's kind of like seeing likeyour grandpa tell like the crazy
stories that he went through on drugs.
Crack cocaine is a hell of a drug.

(42:51):
Crack. Cocaine, the whole.
Drug being a millionaire in the 90s in the early 2000s.
So like, it's obviously sad, butit's also like, fun, OK.
That's awesome he's alive. Because he's telling the story
and. He's, he's telling the story.
He's alive. He's yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's. Alive to tell it so it's kind of
like a. Jazz thing.
He's just like. Yeah, I did that.
It's fair. Game if you get to tell your own

(43:11):
biopic. Yeah, that's true, true.
So. It's crazy.
That's a fun stuff, so I definitely recommend watching
that. I'm watching it just came out on
Netflix too. It's called Black Rabbit.
It's ATV show with Jude starringJude Law and Jason Bateman.
They play brothers, they like own a restaurant.
Jude Law is like the proper goodlooking brother.

(43:33):
And Jason Bateman plays this like gambling addicts, homeless
man looking type of person. And because he's a gambling
addict, he owes a lot of money. And then Jude Law, you find out
that he's not so perfect and he's like embezzling money with
his restaurant business and everything and they get
together. It's supposed to be.
I don't know if it's supposed tobe like a heist show or.

(43:55):
I I don't know why. The trailer looked fire and now
I'm 3 episodes in and I'm like what happened?
Oh damn, it's not living up. No, it's really not.
It's hard with those Netflix things though man.
It's a limited series, it's onlygoing to be 8 episodes, right?
So I I think I'm going to give it a fair one and watch at least
6. I mean, at that point you got to

(44:16):
see it that way, boy. Give it 86, but but Corey, it's
a limited series. It's not going to have a season
2, so the rules are different. So we had a conversation
recently on how many episodes you should give a show before
you give up on it. Yeah, right.
So let's let's take what's your episodes?
What's your opinion? Yeah.
On hour long shows, let's just. Hour long shows.

(44:37):
Yes. How many episodes should you
give it before? Hour long shows like 3 three
episodes for hour long show like.
Classic. What about?
What about? Half hour shows.
Half hour shows. Like anime and other half?
Hour anime, I would say to say at least like episode maybe 7-8.
Yeah, that's right, seven or eight demons.
Like Speaking of Demon Slayer, IDemon Slayer episode 1 was
great. I didn't like any other episode

(44:59):
until episode 16. Same.
Was the. I was just, I was just pushing.
Myself through If you could Onlylearn One Thing does that does
the new 2 episode. Yeah, like it took me that long
to lock in and I don't normally stay around that long.
No I didn't like the training arc thing for Tanja.
Like I understand why it's therebut like it was so boring.
It took the token to the forest with the little spider man for

(45:19):
me to be like. That's what I'm saying.
The spider before that was just like, I'm just pushing through.
Yeah, yeah, Normally, yeah, for 30 minute shows, I would say
like 7 or 8 episodes. For hour long shows like 3
because that's. Or they're saying you should
watch. Just watch the whole season bro.
I think that you. If it's like an 8 episode show.
You guys are you guys binge watchers?
Depends. I can be.
I don't like to be I. Don't.
I don't prefer to be a binge watcher.

(45:40):
I do like to watch things that come out weekly, but like if
it's just going to all come out at one time, then I have no
choice, you know what I mean? It's just, it's just a binge.
But I prefer the weekly experience.
I don't binge watch even if it'sthere.
I will watch. One for you, no.
No, I'll do it too. I don't have the strength.
Yeah, I. I don't have the strength.
I do. I have the strength especially.
Give me a good ass cliffhanger on one episode.

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I'm not watching the next one. I'm putting that shit down.
I'm on that tension build up like because yeah, I can't.
It's there. It's not going nowhere like
Charlie Sheen could never. And then?
Netflix pulls it, and then I waslike, double.
Don't just say it's not going nowhere.
He's like, you know how many shows have gone somewhere on
these platforms? You know what else is like?
Because I don't often get a chance to watch a good show.
When I say 1, I save it when I get a show that I like.

(46:23):
Because most of them nowadays, so much fucking content comes
out, whether it shows, whether YouTube, I get like, I don't.
I don't lock into everything. So if I find something, I'm
like, Oh yeah, you, you, my little, my little Boo for the
rest of the month, my little rest of the month, every Friday.
Well, I got a time. He said you.
He said you might. No face no case.
I'm not. Like you got, I got a good meal,
I got to get a good meal. I got to make sure nobody else

(46:43):
is distracting me. Like so like I take time and
watch that. Like that's not the longest.
Show. Yeah, like, and I could.
It's like it's a treat for me, Yeah, to watch the show after.
That I believe with the way thathow long it takes shows to come
out now, not all shows will get a second season, but even just
if any show just has the first season, I think that if it's
eight or ten episode season, I think that you should just

(47:04):
either. I can believe 5 episodes is
fair, but I do think that you should just watch the whole
season. So just give the whole pain
because like if you go halfway through, you might have been one
episode away from the climax or like the actual turning point of
the show, especially at 8 to 10 episode season after three, they
still working on building, you know what I mean?
Depending on the show, like every show is different.

(47:24):
So some shows are instinct gratifying shows and some shows
get better over time, and I prefer a show that gets better
over time than a show that starts hyping and falls off.
My argument against that is, sure, you could let it build up,
but is the payoff going to be worth it?
You don't. Know yeah, payoff.
Has to be worth payoff. Has to if I'm going to watch
more than 3 to 4 episodes then whatever happens at 5 or.

(47:45):
Six, You don't know that for anyshow.
You don't know if anything's going to be worth it, you know
what I mean? So nobody, nobody can answer
that question for you until you're there.
That's why the show format is soweird, because you look at
something like The Sixth Sense like everyone.
Everyone seen the 6th sense, yes, you know which will never
seen it. It's worth it.
You surprised I. Am wait, do you know anything
about it? It's rocks in it, right?

(48:07):
No, no, you that you know it's actually.
That's your Kingdom Hearts, boy.What?
About the. Elephant, how do we go?
6th Sense the fifth. Element.
That's crazy. Wrong number, yeah.
Like. Bruce is in both, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's in both. I was close.
But to my point, I won't spoil it 'cause that's literally the
point of the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just crazy.
Like it's literally the point ofthe movie.

(48:28):
Like it's something that just cannot be spoiled or the movie
is just different. It was that the whole time,
right? The kid was that the whole time.
How do you know what movie you're talking about?
You talking about Fifth Element?You talking about Sixth sense?
I'm talking about sixth sense because it's something that if
you know the end of The Sixth Sense, you it, it changes the
way you perceive the movie. So something like that to your
point of watching the show all the way through a movie, it

(48:50):
doesn't have the opportunity foryou to stop halfway.
You can, but like who stops in the middle?
Of the movie, I know some. I know some monsters.
It's rare for you to do that versus stop watching the show.
So it's like if you could give that same credit where it's due
to be like finish the show. But like in the sense of a
movie, it's like it's a contained story.
So you really are not likely to leave because it's it's telling

(49:12):
something in a shorter format. But a show people could just be
like, all right, yeah, I'm I'm not staying around for this
payoff if it's good or not the. Only ones that I've cut off of
movies is that if they're scary and like I feel the anxiety
build up and it's right about tolike get to the scary part and
I'm like I'm good. It's it's Me 2 watches to watch
bottoms. It got too cringy.

(49:32):
It got too cringy the first it got to a certain point in the
good. No, it's good.
But like there was a moment I don't do well with secondhand
embarrassment watching stuff. So there was a point to
something like something was because he's like a teenager,
but it was bubbling. I was like, yeah.
There's. Gonna be such an uncomfortable.
Moment I get you. And like, somebody's gonna feel
bad and like I'm feeling bad watching somebody else.

(49:52):
So I don't do well with reality TV.
That's true. Second hand embarrassment.
I'd be feeling it. Bro I'm too, I'm too empathetic.
I like when I feel. He's a nice guy.
He's a. Nice guy, just.
A chill nice guy I I feel you onreality shows.
That's why I can't watch realityshows.
I don't like that. But for film, I like when I
start to feel uncomfortable sometimes obviously like.

(50:14):
So sometimes. That was like, hey, yo, they
wild and like but because I knowthat the person, the film makers
doing their job correct. If I feel angry.
Then I'm feeling it. If I feel scared, I'm feeling
it. If I feel uncomfortable, I'm
feeling it. So that's what I like when I do.
But yeah, unless it's stupid, like it's like, OK, yeah, I
don't. This is making me feel
uncomfortable in the wrong ways.And this is a little.

(50:34):
Different. Right, you done with your.
Last thing, I'm watching the newseason of Survivor season 49.
Being a reality. He's like, well, are you going
to bring up reality TV? We're.
Here and let me say there's a bunch of weirdos this season.
Oh. Weird.
Fans, shouldn't every season just be a bunch of weirdos for

(50:56):
even doing this? Oh no, I don't think so.
You're competing to win $1,000,000.
What's weird about that? No, but it's like you got to be
a certain kind of person to go. Because you're on an island with
no shelter or food, just water. Yeah, I guess you could say
that's weird. Yeah, yeah.
You're willingly putting yourself through this for the
entertainment of this. Because he would do it, yeah.
Yeah, 100% I would. Speaking of, OK, finish your

(51:19):
thing first or survivor and thenI have one last little thing
all. Right.
So some of the examples like, right, like I'm going to tell
you some of the examples of someof the weirdos that we're seeing
on this season of Survivor. There's this one guy, I think
his name is Brad or something. Used to be like a Chippendales
dancer back in like New Zealand or Australia or something.
So he's talks about this show. It's just like crazy weirdo.
It's always the weirdo. Haven't even gotten the weird

(51:40):
part. That was the weird part.
Being an ex. Chippendale.
'S dancer. Don't survive him.
Don't shame him. We're.
Not shaming anyways. Continue.
So he's he's on Survivor, right?And he's doing like the the the
camera talk, What's that called?The confessional, the
confessional, right? And he's like, yeah, so my plan

(52:00):
for me this season, like I'm going to bring a little chaos to
the season, right? And it cuts to this woman who's
looking for her shoe, right? And this guy's like.
So what I'm going to do, I'm going to be the shoe bandit.
I'm going to take every other every other day.
I'm going to take someone's leftshoe and I'm going to hide it
somewhere. So meanwhile, this poor.
That's so petty. It's just looking for his shoe,

(52:21):
for her shoe and he's just like why your shoes missing?
That's crazy. And he's like trying to help her
find it. But he hit it.
But he hit it, so that's his thing for this season.
He's the shoe. The self-proclaimed Shoe Bandit
of season 49 of Survivor. You know what would be worse
than that? If somebody was like a dedicated
remote hider, like ATV remote hider, like somebody just came

(52:41):
to your house and was always hityour remote, I that's grounds
for, I think that's grounds for like a fight, like a physical
fight, I thought. It was rude.
What you mean? A remote hider.
Yeah, no it. Is like somebody that hides.
That people do that right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's like the only thing. You find out your boy's a remote
hider, you're like you're going to fight.
Yeah, I would kill somebody if Ifound out that that's.

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Hilarious. I actually might stop being
friends with him. Yeah, that's ground.
Or her, whoever that's. Grounds for that, Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, just like, you know, the stress that goes to
looking for a remote. I've turned my bed upside down
for it to be right under my pillow.
There's another girl, her name is Sasha.
She's like a Yogi, very spiritual, right?
So it's the beginning of the show and the host is like going,

(53:23):
he's talking to everybody. He's like, what's your name?
How's it feel to be on Survivor?Nah, Nah Nah Nah.
So he gets to this girl Sasha and he's like that's it, you're
here, you're you're on Survivor,you're on Fiji.
It finally happened. How do you feel?
And squirrel's like, oh Jeff, something happens on the boat.
I get when I get nervous, I pee.So I peed like 3 times on the

(53:43):
boat coming in. Meanwhile, the boat she's
talking about is the boat that her team comes on, and it's just
like a it's like a dingy boat. Yeah.
This isn't like a cruise or anything.
There are no rooms, there's no separate rooms.
You're just there. So she's like hanging her ass
off the side of the boat being. And so she says to her
teammates, she's like, yeah guys, sorry for anybody who saw

(54:04):
a full moon or I guess I should say a Half Moon since I have my
mom's hips just horny ass. Like what?
And then like 2 days later. Right.
Everyone's like in the water hasthis like after a challenge.
So like they they're like covered in mud.
So like everyone's in the water kind of like washing off right.
And I don't know where she's just like, man, I cannot wait to

(54:26):
take an Aqua dump. What?
Yeah, no, can't, can't, can't somebody.
This is why I can't watch reality shows.
Somebody's like, what are you talking about?
She's like, well, we're on an island.
There's no bathroom. So it's either like you you shit
in a hole or you just free balling shit in the OH.
Shit. Honestly.

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This is who you want to be on the island with.
So like so you say you would do this right?
So this. Would you do?
Would you go on surviving? Yes.
He would. Like he means he wouldn't
survive it, but he. Wouldn't survive, survive I.
Don't know he could change a tire.
He could No, no. He's smarter than that city.
Surviving and like outside, surviving are two different
things, Corey. Somebody's like, why do you feel

(55:08):
this way? She's like, I like poop.
What? Weird bro can you have people
are weird gotta. Move on to another show.
No, Yeah, please, Swiss topics, take another show anyways.
There's another guy. So, right, let's go back to the
challenge. I'm telling you, it's full of
weirdos, right? There's this guy, he's like
everyone's covered in mud. And this one guy's really
struggling. He's like, how do you get the
mud out of your eyes? Like what?

(55:30):
And this girl who's literally across from him, she's drinking
out of a water bottle. And so he says that he's like,
how do you get the mud out of out of your eyes?
And she just looks at him and spits water into this man's.
Off the show, that's that's whenI walk off she.
Had a full mouth of water. Frustrating me.
Everything you're saying is progressively getting me more

(55:50):
mad. Me too about you talking about
this. Actually the first time I've
ever been annoyed about you talking about it.
Me. Too.
OK, you're done. Say last season, 49 is survive.
What he thought is wicked. I mean, that proves that people.
Want this? Yeah, these people this mad
Season 49. I am them freaking 40.

(56:12):
Eight more seasons than they getdown Got like.
You say? Yeah, one more thing.
Actually, yeah, there was a hilarious as movie on Netflix
that's like a fake reality show and it's like Miranda Cosgrove.
Did you see the trailer? For that, some bites I saw her
do promo I think was it good? Yeah, it was, it was fun.
It was like if you go in there like thinking reality trash

(56:33):
monster, like it is fun. It's like a cute little ROM com
like. Watching iCarly?
Yeah. It's like it's a little ROM com,
you know? It's a little more, it's a
little more adult, OK? You know who's in it?
Madison Pettis. You know who that is?
Oh yeah, that's the the girl from the.
Tooth Fairy wasn't. It the game plan.
Both I think right? She might have been in both of
them. Actually, she was in one of
them. What was The Rock?
And what was Vin Diesel, Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(56:54):
It's like he. She was in Diesel's black.
What, you mean Vin Diesel's justlike black?
I thought we just didn't know his.
Ethnicity. I knew that he looks black.
This is that's a black man. I don't.
Know doesn't. I thought he was Italian.
I thought he was I. Thought he was Italian too.
No, I thought he was like a likeblack and Spanish mix.
I thought that's what he looks. Like he was just like no one
knew I think, and he never said.Anything.

(57:15):
He's a black man. That he, I don't know.
To me he always look. I gotta look it up, he looks.
Like a mixed man. Like Italian, I just told him
Italian this whole time. For Mal, I just was.
Like twin does he? Yeah, I know that much.
Oh my God, that's crazy. Anyway.
Say the corniest joke ever, but I won't.
I'm about to say Vin mini or something that's.
Vin Lincoln Anyways, so it's onewhere like she it's called the

(57:35):
wrong kind of Paris. And so she needs to go to Paris,
France. And so her sister's like, why
don't you get on this reality TVshow?
Because they're going to France.And you know, that way you can
get kicked off the show, make the money after he dumps you.
And then like you just go to Paris with that money and
they're like, OK, great. And then turns out it's not

(57:56):
Paris, France, it's Paris, TX and it's like a cowboy dude like
down the street from her house and she's just like are.
You fucking kidding? Me.
And it's it's actually, it's actually pretty funny.
It's, it's yeah. What?
Would you give it out of 10? For a ROM com A7.
For a movie for a ROM com it's a7 for.
A ROM com, It's like a four, yeah.

(58:18):
No OK an 8 for a ROM com 'cause it was entertaining for like a.
6 as a movie. Yeah, that's fan like I like.
I'll watch it. Because you got to know.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Two different years. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No, because I'm like a ROM com
by itself. Like you watch it, you don't
necessarily need to watch it again.
Like a horror 8 is different than a regular movie.

(58:38):
Yeah, 8 exactly. That's a really good movie.
Yeah, unless it's a really good movie.
It's got a 67 on Rotten Tomatoesand a six on IMD.
That's. That was in the right ballpark.
Yeah, see, I told you. Man not us podcast for this
long, we actually starting to make sense.
Look at us. Oh God.
But yeah, that was the. Matter.
Are you gonna tell me about whatyou felt about Interview with
the Vampire or not? Oh that's right, I finished

(59:01):
season 1 of Interview with a Vampire.
How did you say you finished season 2?
No, I finished Season 1. I don't.
Really care then. That's why I said I was going to
talk about it on the podcast. I thought you finished two.
What would you think about the finish?
One, I thought Interview with a Vampire Season 1 was amazing.
I stand by what I said in the last episode.
It is a nine out of 10 show. I thought that that again, the
acting is just. I wanna watch it.

(59:24):
That's a. Crazy pun.
That's gonna that's gonna be me for for Halloween.
I'm I'm watching it for Halloween.
Do it. What's the girl's name again?
Claudia. Claudia.
She picked up for me. She picked up for me in the last
like couple episodes. She locked in, she start locking
in bro. She start locking in, you start
being like, she's kind of fucking right.
Yeah, once she got goal oriented, I was like, OK.

(59:45):
Once she had plans. You ever heard An Interview with
the Vampire? Yeah, I haven't watched that
show though. OK, it's a show.
It's a show. I'll let I'll let Danny explain.
About it, it's a show, so prettymuch, I don't know how familiar
you are with vampire lore and movies and TV shows and stuff,
but. You watch the original.
No, but the original was like oflegend.

(01:00:06):
Like I know the original, I knowthe original.
And then when the show was happening, I didn't know if it
was a reboot of the movie but asa series or if it was its.
Own thing? Wait, you thinking about the
show? The originals or the original?
No, no, the she was talking about the original.
Interview with a Vampire. Sorry, so much vampire stuff,
yeah. There was no film Interview with
a Vampire the show Interview with a Vampire.

(01:00:28):
I didn't know if that was a reboot of the movie or.
Because it's an adaptation. It's a different adaptation,
yeah. Yeah, it pretty much takes place
in New Orleans in like the 1920s, or like this guy who is
kind of like a business owner slash pimp that works in the
French Quarter of New Orleans gets introduced to a vampire who

(01:00:49):
eventually turns him. So it's kind of like him dealing
with being a gay black vampire in 1920s New Orleans.
And what the show does really good is it kind of tackles all
of those themes within that current time, but it's also him
being in present day, being interviewed by a reporter and

(01:01:11):
he's telling him about his life.And like, it so kind of goes
back and forth through past and present.
And it's very engaging because the reporter like does a really
good job, like interviewing and catching him on certain things
because he tried to interview him like 50 years prior when he
was younger, but it didn't go sowell.

(01:01:31):
So he's like you said something different then and now and na,
na, na, na, na. So it's a very good show.
I would really would recommend it.
That again, the acting is just really for me was the best part
of the show. There isn't a lot of action.
It's a lot of dialogue. That's what you.
Are drawn in. Like it's like, it's like you
consider like a regular show 9 or a vampire show 9.

(01:01:54):
Like Regular Show 9, as a as a tie, as a script, from a writing
perspective, even a directing perspective, the production was
really good. It it's as a show, as a piece of
art, is a nine OK? AMC Cook.
I've only heard good things about it.
All right? Yeah, I've only heard good
things. I.
Don't watch any vampire show. So this is the first one I ever

(01:02:14):
watched. Like it was about a month or two
ago and like when I went throughit I came back to them I was
like this shit was gas bro. I've never seen Twilight while
I've seen the 1st. One sinners.
Sinners, it's like sentence is yeah sentence is a different
beast though, but like most vampire media, like I was I I
felt like I had to go see sentence for the culture.
Yeah, you know what I mean? I wasn't gonna go watch that
until eventually because it was vampires 'cause I was like, I

(01:02:37):
don't really bang with horror and it seemed like a horror, but
I was like once I got there I was like, this shit is not
scary. What's not scary?
But I don't I don't engage in that media at all.
So like engaging with this show and then getting lucky for it to
be like, really just a good show, show.
Like I was like, oh man, how am I going to go watch this other
stuff? That's it for me all.
Right, Justin, what about you, man?
We finally get to you. What you been watching?

(01:02:58):
Oh good, I don't have that much.I'm glad y'all filled up the
space because. I know I didn't know.
We're our end guys. I really haven't had like the
time to watch stuff and. That's totally fine.
The last well, so as far as anime goes, gotcha Octa.
I've been watching. How you feel about it?
I like it. I've been.
I've been. Gotcha Kuda.
Gotcha, Yakuta. Gotcha yakuta or gotcha or

(01:03:22):
gotcha just because. Shout out to Angie and shout out
to Kumar. Yeah, Angie and Kumar for the
pronunciation, because I definitely was saying gotcha
kuda. For a while.
Gotcha. Like there's a gotcha coochie,
whatever, but it made. Sense when they were like you
don't say Sasuke even though youdo say Sasuke, but it's Sasuke
so that yeah, gotcha. So I've been watching that.
I really just the art design is fired to me and again like.

(01:03:43):
I haven't started but it looks like.
Visitation. What got black people?
The music is good. Music is fire.
Not the intro, the intro. The intro.
Is it intro? I don't mind the intro.
I hate that I'm a instant skin, skin, skin.
I hate it. I hate the way it looks.
I hate the way they eat. I hate the way they talk.

(01:04:03):
Question, is it worse than solo levelling?
Solo level has intro. No solo.
You don't need to watch. It solo level is worse.
OK, OK, Worse. OK.
Solo, I hate that shit. Shit like the legends are hidden
Temple can't stand it. Yeah.
Like I can't stand. It solo level and so forgettable

(01:04:26):
like as an intro we're like. Gotcha Aqua does the intro is
like it fits it's trash. I can't with you off the.
Dome. I walked into that one.
You did walk right into that one.
Door swing. What else?
Yeah, so I like that. And then you know what?

(01:04:47):
That might be all the anime I was watching.
It could be anime, I watched a couple.
He heard us. I watched.
He heard us gapping. So I played Kingdom Hearts the
other day. OK, so it's not just, it's not
just anime. Yeah, we talk about.
Everything here I did watch someepisodes of the Mika Dono
Sisters. What's that?
What is that I? Don't even know how I stumbled
across that anime. It's it's like a it's like a
harem type anime, but like the the.

(01:05:09):
Reverse harem, yeah. It's kind of like a reverse.
It's cute, it's calm, it's it's not too.
Crazy slice of life, yeah. OK, it's been a minute since I
watched the Slice of Life, and then last night I just saw one
battle after another. Oh, I'm hearing.
What's that? Yeah, so it's that it's the new
Paul Thomas Anderson and Leonardo DiCaprio, Tiana Taylor,
Gina Hall, Sean Penn. Oh, Sean Penn's in it, Yeah.

(01:05:34):
They I've never seen Leo with somany black women in a movie in
my life. I was confused.
I say, is this Jack? I was like what is this?
Jack, it's changed since I had. That bro Jack's.
Changed. Yeah, I was like and they not
slaves. Yeah, yeah.
Django. Yeah, no, I I got it.
We got yeah, yeah, the baby. He's like, oh, So what do you

(01:05:57):
think It was really give us the breakdown.
I want I want to hear thoughts because I haven't heard anybody
talk about it in depth. It was really, really good, like
so like one terrible marketing, oh campaign like.
One no one knew anything. The trails are ass.
No one. No one knew.
When it came out I never heard of this and the trailers are.
Terrible trailers are terrible bro.
I thought the. Trailer did a good job.

(01:06:19):
Like what was wrong me in, you know, like if it was funny, the
trailer was funny. Yeah, if you like that humor, I
feel like. It's a very acquired taste.
It's it's it's like the trailer gave you know what type of movie
this is, so you should be down. And I think today's current
climate of film goers don't knowwhat kind of movie that is or
don't like that kind of movie. It's like a they the trailer
gave like not Oscar bait completely, but it was very like

(01:06:42):
again, that type of humor, like quirky.
And then the second trailer realized the first trailer to do
what it was supposed to and it changed all together and tried
to show like action and a littlebit of funny.
I mean, even the gap between thefirst trailer and the second
trailer. The first trailer came out six
months ago, and the second trailer came out like I think I.
Watched it when I went to see sinners.
Yeah. I remember.
Yeah, it was. And I.
Was like, what is this show? I was like, what's this?

(01:07:03):
Another kidnapping movie. So yeah, marketing dropped the
ball. But the film itself, amazing
writing. That's some of the best.
It's one of those movies where like, you ever seen, or I'll say
it's a film. It's one of those movies where
you see and you're like, oh, this is what a good movie is.
Yeah, like, you know, like when?You're watching a good movie mad
long. This is what it's.

(01:07:25):
This is what it means this. Is cinema this is what it's
about? It's one of the things that
reminded me because the, again, the dialogue is really good.
It's a long movie and it does not feel like it.
It runs at like clocks and like I think 2 hours and like 40,
like it's almost nearly three hours.
Does not feel like that at all. Like it doesn't feel like that
at all. Acting is 10 out of 10.
I don't know why I doubted Leo or Sean Penn or Regina Hall like

(01:07:47):
this point. Again, it's another one of those
things where you're like, oh, this is acting, too.
Like, it's not just people who have, like, talented names.
Like, oh, they're actors. Yeah.
I forgot about like for real. Forgot that they do 2 hours 50
minutes. Wow.
Well, it's 50. See, I thought it was. 10 minute
credits. It's currently got a 96 on
Rotten Tomatoes and 8.5 on IMDb.I would give it a calm.
I would give it a calm 9 but it's between that sinners and

(01:08:11):
weapons for like my favorite film of the.
Year right now I didn't see weapons, but I don't I don't
think I would watch weapons so. I'm not a scary person.
I heard you talk about it. All I know is that there's kids
that's being a teacher. Of course.
What did you like it? Of course I give it.
I would give weapons in eight. Out of 10, yeah.
If I could give it an 8.5, I try, I try to.

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We try to stay away from half ratings.
If I could give it an 8.5, I would.
I just don't. Confidently, I can't say I could
give it a nine. OK, but I really liked it.
That's solid. That's.
Understandable. So what do you think it's like
been the what do you think is the best out of those 3 then if
you had to choose that to win something this year?
Today, next year, today probably.
I love centers, but I hate that I I hate that centers doesn't

(01:08:53):
didn't reach his full potential to me.
Like I grade centers so much harder, unfortunately, because I
know it, I know the potential itcould have.
In what regard? The first half of the movie is
brilliant. The second-half, I feel like
they were like, all right, Ryan,wrap it up.
Yo, you're the first person thatI feel like most people think
the opposite. People hate the first.

(01:09:13):
Opposite because it's slow. Really, people?
Hate slow shit they do. Because now we're in microwave
culture. The first half of Sinners is
fucking. Beautiful.
I like it the. Setup is great, the dialogue the
build up. I wish the second-half like I
like the second-half. I wish it had the same type of
of juiciness that the first did.Yes, I agree.
Like escape to the forest and have another 30 minutes.

(01:09:35):
We were on. Board.
Yeah, we were. On board for another 30 minutes.
I thought it was gonna happen. So like when the the Chinese
girl crashed out, I was very caught off guard.
I'm like, oh, me too. This is the final confrontation,
Yeah. That's it.
Yeah, yeah, I've it felt like itshould have been longer, 1000%.
Which like it did need to be longer.
I thought it could have been shorter, but it could have just
been. I wanted to be a little bit

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short because like I don't I don't grade that movie that
high, but like I respect what itdoes culturally and like what it
like in the message I was telling.
So like it I got to be honest that that does prop it up a
little bit and it's just it is what it is.
Got to can't just ignore that. So like, I could believe you
that the other movie might. Well, you didn't say it, but
like I feel like that other movie might be better.

(01:10:16):
The One day, one day after another it seems like it might
be better. It is it, It might be.
I kind of have them like both here for for different reasons
because. You have to remember like the
the movie style of 1 battle after another.
Like, if you're not familiar with that, kind of like director
Paul Thomas Anderson. I don't know anything you.
Have you ever watched movies like What's that H1?

(01:10:38):
Budapest. The Grand Budapest.
Hotel or the most recent movie that came out with Benicio del
Toro. The Phoenician Scheme?
Nope. It's really like, surreal.
You don't watch cinema. Yeah, it's surreal is a really
good way to put. It.
Yeah, because it's kind. Of like, everyone's in on the
joke, Yeah, and they're acting like it.
Okay, so there's like a kind of a bit like a cringey type bit.

(01:10:59):
But it's not cringey. It's like that serious.
Like it's being serious, it's taking itself seriously, but it
would be considered almost cringey if somebody else was
doing. OK.
It's like, we're all sitting here and we're talking about
something and then and then I'm like, yeah, but I'm, I'm on the
podcast and you're like, but podcasts are trash.
And like and then we just. Move on and and no one brings
attention to it. Like it's just like, you're
right, they are trash. And then do the story just keeps

(01:11:21):
unfolding. But it's done in like not a
cringey way, but it's really a commentary.
Like the whole thing is kind of a commentary, but interesting.
It's really good and it keep like the first half for me, it
it was weird. It didn't keep me engaged during
the first half, but I was on board enough because I was like,
there's something that I'm interested in in this,
something's happening that I'm interested in.

(01:11:43):
And then Act 2 got me on board and it kept me for the last
whatever, how many hours or so long.
And what was interesting too is like, you know how sometimes you
have a movie in the beginning, you have something happen and
you have a payoff that comes in act three.
There was shit that was happening like in the beginning
of Act 2 that was paying off in act two.
I was like, Oh, this is fire. Like this is so like great
writing and and great pacing andinteresting.

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It's interesting and it has a lot to say about like, the
climate. Of of of black.
Women has a lot to say about theclimate of of where we are now
just in a society. And it's good.
It's just good. I think that is going to be the
next movie I'm gonna try to watch.
I thought it was going to be like The Long Walk.
I don't know if. You saw that?
Yeah, I just saw. The trailer.
I've heard and things about thatI've.

(01:12:26):
Heard it's I've heard it's his best adaptation.
Watch the Stephen King. Yeah, yeah.
I heard something crazy where itwas like apparently Stephen King
only allowed that movie to be done if they killed the kids.
What? And I'm just like, that's like
the craziest thing ever. Like, no, no, you can't do it
unless you unless you kill kids.Because he he wouldn't let
anybody else adapt it, but whatever.

(01:12:47):
And then another one that I really wanted to watch this
year. Him.
Have. You seen it?
I saw him last. Week there's a lot of really
mixed reviews about it. How did you?
I haven't watched it but I really wanted to.
How did you feel about? It it was OK.
I thought it was OK, that's fine.
I thought it was another one that like, well, Sinners have
reached its potential. I just wanted it to reach its
full potential. I wanted Sinners to be

(01:13:08):
undoubtedly the best film of thelast 10 years.
Like I wanted Sinners to be like10 out of 10.
For me, Him was one that I feel like has so many great ideas and
it needed to decide what it wanted to do.
That's what I felt with him. It didn't know his identity.
It didn't. It did, but it just never
committed to either. Like I felt like I had two
identities and it never committed to one of them.

(01:13:28):
How was Marlon Wayne just performed?
He was great. I hear he's always good though.
He was great. He was great.
The performances were good, the imagery was good, the
cinematography was crisp. Like it was really good.
Just just to me, it was like really like the story that like
I said, I feel like they just had a lot of great ideas and
then they didn't like it's funny, I was talking to one of
my friends about this the other day because they were talking

(01:13:48):
about like, oh, they like Superman, but they didn't love
Superman. They needed more and Fantastic
Four they liked it, but they needed more and they loved him
because him did more. I was like, I feel like it's the
opposite, like each film lacked the other thing.
Like Superman was good. I liked it, but it wasn't
anything that was new enough forme to be like, yeah, Fantastic
Four two like it was safe. It was good.
It was safe. Him they tried to swing for for

(01:14:11):
not safe, but they forgot. To at least like hey.
Have us on board. Maybe.
Maybe with some knee pads Maybe.With some knee pads.
So, but I would still recommend to see it, especially if you
like horror, you like that genre, I would definitely still
recommend. That wait to see it on streaming
or yeah alright, cool. The movie experience doesn't

(01:14:32):
lend anything like to it. Perfect.
I'm gonna wait then. Yeah, nice.
And that's really it for me. That's that's all I've really.
Been alright well I'm talking about films for you right like
so you seem to know a lot about everything that's come out this
year what was some films for youas a film maker that has kind of
been that you think are some of the best like top three top five
my top your top five not like the zeitgeist's like what you

(01:14:54):
say is the. Guys.
I mean, it's cooked, man. Geez.
It's your world. We just living in a king.
Silence of the Lambs. We all the original.
Never seen that. So this year in general.
No, just for him in general in. General, right.
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
So Silence of Lambs. Yeah, have you seen silence on
it? Sounds about to.
Say hello, Clarice. Yeah, yeah.
Hello, Clarice. Wait, yo, that's the movie with

(01:15:15):
Jack Nicholson. That's.
No, that's sounds I'll be. So Jack Nicholson is the
Shining. The Shining.
Yeah, there. Are so many.
Did you watch since Silence of the Lambs was one of your
favorite? Did you watch Hannibal with Mads
Michaelson? You know what's so funny?
What when I was a child isn't? It Mads McKellen.
Is it Mads Nicholson? You know what?
He's European. I don't know.
No no no, I I may be wrong. Hannibal I I never watched

(01:15:38):
Hannibal's entirety, but I was, it was funny when I was younger,
I was afraid of every fucking thing when I was little.
Like I was scared of everything.Like like masks in fucking Party
City. No, I was terrified.
I was terrified. Now I watched horror movies.
They were scared back in the day.
They were terrifying. So Hannibal, I remember when I
was little and they would do summer movie camp in the Bronx
and my mom was taking me to the movie theater and there was a

(01:15:59):
there was a movie, I forgot whatmovie it was a kids movie being
played. But the poster on the side was
Hannibal. And I would not go in that
theater. She was like, it's not, it's not
what they're going to play. I was like, no, not doing that.
It was terrifying. But no, I never actually watched
Hannibal. I did watch Red Dragon though.
OK, but no, she's the Hannibal is the TV.
Show. Oh, the show, Hannibal.
Yeah, show Hannibal with the actor Matt's Michelson.

(01:16:20):
No. OK.
Because Hannibal is pretty decent though amazing.
Yeah, everyone says it's really amazing, but the reason why I
bring it up, because you said Silence of the Lambs is one of
your favorite, is they want to do a remake of Silence of the
Lambs, but using Matt's Michelson as the guy.
And the guy who directed Hannibal said that obviously he
wants Matt's Michelson to play Hannibal Lecter, but he wants
Andea to be Clarice. That would be his dreamcasting.

(01:16:43):
That's an I'd watch that. I would 100% I would watch that.
I'm there already. I'd watch that and I'm not a
show person. Like if you guys won't find out
like. I'm not, I'm not don't know if
you guys know, but I'll be watching I.
Don't know if you guys know, I know you like I'm going to
invite you over the podcast to talk about shows.
I was like. Oh, nice shows.
Movies is everything. Everything OK?
I'm not so. Silence of the Lambs and what?
Else Silence of the Lambs strike.

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Strike 2 is actually one of the greatest things I know.
Yeah, Strike 2 is like. Shrek 2 is the funniest.
Stinks. Shrek 2 is the funniest animated
film. It might be the funniest
animated film ever made. Shrek 2 is fucking.
Oh, come on, Danny, you. Don't like Shrek?
Two thinking you don't like no, I love Shrek 2 you.
Don't like? Funniest animated movie?
Tell a lie, say something crazy like I'm wearing ladies

(01:17:29):
underwear. I'm where ladies Thunder.
That shit was crazy. Crazy.
It's a thong. It's crazy.
Yeah. In a PG movie, it's a thong.
Is wild track two? Yeah, we could throw 2 in there.
I was just throwing foot I. Mean two in there you're.
Correct. What else in there?

(01:17:50):
As far as so we're animated, let's stick to animated Into the
Spider verse. No, no, whatever.
Use whatever it's. Yours.
I'm making a trail. OK, OK.
The trail so into the spider verse yes, that is to me
something that was astounding was the.
First one. The first one.
OK. Cross is amazing too, but intro
because into because it was the first time I ever saw that
animation. Across might be better, but into
is like. More impact.

(01:18:12):
Love across. Yeah, because you never saw
that. I never saw that.
I was like what the fuck is? Happening whole new.
Experience on screen. So into the spider verse Akira,
of course that's whatever. So in animation.
I haven't either. Yeah, we should.
Just and I'm, you know, you should, I should definitely
looks. Kind of gross I should.
Definitely do that. It is, but the isn't that.
Amazing. It looks kind of like I'll be
seeing like bubbly guts and stuff like that.

(01:18:33):
What my buggin and with this? Like, I mean he.
I know nothing besides the slideand Akira for.
Me. That's the only thing I know,
those two, those two things. It's amazing, Especially like on
animation level for something that came out when it did.
Yeah, like for something to comeout when it did and it looks as
good as Demon Slayer, it's wild.Like think about that.

(01:18:56):
And it's drawn. And it's hand drawn, like think
about that. That's wild.
So Akita is on there. That's 4.
Titanic. I'm sorry.
Like Titanic has. Titanic has a lot.
And you never seen Titanic clownclown me about everything else
Titanic. Like.

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As black people, we all be like,Titanic like.
Room on the. Shit, there's room on the door
and all that shit, but like it'sa.
Not even one of the four VHS. Because it was that shit.
Was there was one in one part asAVHS?
Yeah. For those who do not know, when
it was AVHS 'cause my mom had it, it was Part 1 as its own
cassette tape. Yep.
And you had to take the cassetteout and put part. 2IN to watch

(01:19:41):
Final Fantasy back in the. Day the movie.
Yeah, you got. You got to rewind it before you
put it back and you be. Otherwise, you're going to get.
Beat, you'll be sick. Boy, people watch this podcast.
It's like, what the Hell's Avhs?What's the?
Cassette do. You hear about that game that
like they designed it wrong. They designed Avhs tape wrong in
a video game. They put it in sideways.
Like the developers put it in like because they didn't know

(01:20:01):
how Avhs worked. That's crazy.
I was like, they're at that age where they can do that.
I was like, that's. Insane crazy Toms.
Crazy Toms. OK.
So that's a solid 5. I'll close out with The Dark
Knight. Respect.
Because you cannot talk about the dark.
Knight ballot absolutely valid. Right.
Well, what I watched, I listenedto Danny, I finally pushed
through token on key. I watched all 12 episodes.

(01:20:23):
I don't. Even want you to watch it
anymore. Yeah, I wish I didn't.
Oh. Whatever bro, it's.
Just I said it before. Bro this came out 10 years ago.
Like it'd be good, but because like, it didn't.
Come. Well no, you know what also I
hate about it? The way the women are drawing.
This is absolutely bananas bro. They are built like.
Nami. No.

(01:20:43):
They both said. No, at the same time.
It's like it's trying to be Fiona from Shrek Thick come.
On. That was already uncanny valley.
But like you, like, am I wrong? No, no, no.
Like they do look like Fiona, like Shrek Fiona, like that
version of Fiona with like a little bit more of a snatched
race. OK, now you got to show me

(01:21:06):
because I don't. It's wicked.
So I'm like, when it's on screenit makes me so uncomfortable.
I'm like. Yeah, you could show it.
The OH. OK, they're just like.
They're dummy thick. They're all dummy thick.
They're all like that, yes. Like not just one girl.
No all like that. The shy girl is like that.
The the sexually aggressive girlis like that.

(01:21:27):
The nurse. The every every.
Everybody's good like that. Like the hands and feet of kids
next door. Oh my God.
That's. Crazy.
So like every time they're on screen, I'm like, this is crazy.
Like this is this is like. The author's barely hidden

(01:21:48):
fetish. You know how you say that new
school expand service, That's that new school shit, right?
So like that was that's like wicked I got.
So I guess what was supposed to be like the plot twist episode,
because it answered the questionI asked immediately when I asked
him last time. I was like, I'm supposed to
believe that these guys are supposed to be beating these
guys, and then they pull out a plot twist that like, yes, of
course he's supposed to be because he's like the son of

(01:22:10):
this demon from blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, he's a key shooting or whatever.
And I was just like, cool. Like I guess I was like.
Cool. Like, yes, you're right.
If it came out 10 years ago, sure.
But it didn't come out 10 years ago.
It came out now and that means you have the opportunity.
To. Reinvent.
It the anime came out now, but the manga's been out for a
minute. How long has the manga been out?
I don't know. I didn't.

(01:22:30):
Check you better not, say, five years.
Maybe look that up? Yeah, yeah.
I got it. I got.
Because like if you wrong, yeah,like if it's not something from,
if it's not from 2003, I don't. Care, Exactly.
Yeah, that's true if it's later.Than that then the Demon Slayer
came out in what, 2010? Yeah, something like that.
I. Know it was not maybe 20. 12 The
manga came out the. Manga.

(01:22:51):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think it was around like 2011, yeah.
Somewhere around there. Donnie had any.
No, I'm looking. Oh well, alright.
Well, what else? Yeah.
Toganaki 6 out of 10 anime. It's not horrible.
It's just like I could have beenwatching something else.
Yeah. 2020, 2025 years ago. Judge Judging.

(01:23:12):
I was, I was really round nose five years ago.
So yeah, gotcha. Kuta is good.
It's not really anything else because we talked about kind of
everything else in in in tow. So let's get into our guests.
Justin, once again, we want to thank you again for being here.
So let's get into our back your back story.
How did you get into a lot of you tend to have the typical

(01:23:34):
answer of how they got into anime.
So I want to kind of ask you, what has been your journey
getting into anime and kind of blossoming into adult into like
current times and being an animefan?
I was there. He's I was in the, you know.
Like that meme? Like that I got a repost.
The guy's just there. Yeah, that's why.
How did you know about? The tunity things that I was
there and it's that guy on the like on the balcony, yeah, like

(01:23:55):
I was there. 9/11 I was there. I was there like I was.
Actually, you were there. I was there.
No, not there. There.
Yeah, I was over here. Lore.
Lore dropping yeah yeah, like tonot like I I I honestly grew up
watching anime like I definitelywas part of that wave of like
90s anime from Toonami like my first anime probably was

(01:24:20):
actually. This is surprising because every
time I mention this, people are like what?
It was like my first anime that I actually started watching and
getting into was like simultaneously Sailor Moon,
Dragon Ball Z and Pokémon. But my first very first anime
was Speed Racer. Makes sense.
That was the first time I ever Cartoon Network.
And it's funny because that cameover here in like the 60s, yeah,

(01:24:41):
early 60s. So a lot of like people's
parents watched Speed Racer and never knew it was anime.
Like now when I'm talking to people and I'm like, oh, you
remember Speed Race? Like older generation, I'm like,
you remember Speed Racer? They're like, yeah, I was like,
that was anime. They're like what?
Yeah, that wasn't anime. It's not.
Cartoons. It was just.
Like those Chinese cartoons thatmenace in Chinese cartoon, like
first of all, Japanese, second of all, it's it's anime, Yeah.

(01:25:02):
You can eat that. Menace, though, they don't care.
You know, especially the Hispanics, everything,
everything Chinese. Chinese like Voltron.
Yeah, even the Chinese cartoon, like, yeah.
You still 16 years old watching Chinese cartoon?
Yeah. That's all the time.
But yeah, Tsunami is how I got my start.
Like just watching anime, being exposed to anime.
I think like most of us, I didn't know what it was.

(01:25:22):
Yeah. I just thought this was the
coolest show than Batman the Animated Series.
Yeah. And from there, I always liked
anime. But again, like, you know,
growing up in that space very closeted about like an anime,
like I didn't want to get pickedon.
I wasn't I wasn't getting any tall anytime soon.
It never ever happened. So I really just.
But like I have to clarify what the really.
Just had guys. It's not just Danny.

(01:25:44):
Like I had to, you know, I had to I had to re up another other
like ways of finding my my social coolness, like oh, like
Oh well, like I'm already. Is that what I'm trying to get?
Is that what I'm trying to get? A holes?
Oh yeah. My another is.
So yeah, I didn't talk about anime often at all.
I had to. And then, of course, like in the
black space or like you wasn't cool.

(01:26:04):
We weren't watching one O 6 and park.
You weren't watching BET you weren't watching anything that
was quote UN quote very black and cool or watching anime.
I'm over here watching Ham Taro at home.
I'm like, it's ham. Taro.
And Taro was lit. Actually that's.
What ham Taro that dude get thatlittle dance in this little
outro. It's.
Obsessed. No Hamtar was a vibe.

(01:26:26):
I need to go back. Hamtar was a vibe.
I I, I, I'm about to say I recommend everybody rewatch
Hamtar real quick. Right now you don't even know
what it is. It's fun, it's fun, it's a fun
slice of life loyal anime. But yeah, Tsunami is a big shout
out. Adult Swim of course as well.
Not some of my favorite anime through Adult Swim.
So obviously you do this like, you know, for real, you know, as

(01:26:48):
we do influencers. It feels like, you know, with
all the projects you're working on, your film, all that kind of
stuff. How do you think that you
developed from, you know, just casually watching it back to
moving into like, hey, I kind ofwant to work with this a lot
more, you know what I mean? Like for me.
It's funny. That's a really good question
because I don't, I never thoughtabout it.

(01:27:09):
Like I didn't decide like I wantto be an anime creator type of
thing because that just happenedlike what, five years ago?
Six years ago. You say that like that joke.
That's a while ago. Well, yeah, I'm, you know.
Tom-tom. I know, Thomas.
Every day is like a different It's like the fucking hyperbolic
time table. You don't even, sometimes you
don't even realize like how is it a new month?
Yeah, for real. No, it's still like in that span

(01:27:31):
of life, like 5 years is still kind of fresh.
Yeah. Like even like you look at like
a con, like dream con is like hasn't been around that long,
'cause you've been like 3, been around for like 40 years.
So I never thought about it and I never had a time where I was
like, oh, I wanna do this. What happened was I was doing my
own shorts or skits or content. And then the the documentary

(01:27:52):
came about like Chase Otaku cameabout.
And the first thing that happened is I did a, a visual
podcast, 9 episodes called The Rotunda.
And at that point I really wanted to do things that I
wanted to do. I felt like I had to do projects
that got me places. Like I gotta do this because
people want this. I do that.
So I decided to do my own podcast and I was like, no, I'm
gonna talk about whatever I wantto.

(01:28:12):
So we did Generational trauma was one episode.
We did college and one episode Iwas like, fuck, it's my show.
We're gonna talk about anime. So I did that episode, right?
I did an episode. It was about anime.
I invited a lot of people. Shout out to Victoria, shout out
events, people that are still actually in the enemy space.
Sha Victoria, Sha Victoria Moniz.
Yeah, she was on that episode. She was there.
She was there when it started and we did that episode and all

(01:28:35):
of my friends, like my current friends don't watch anime.
Like my peoples, like my Rotunda, my post people, they
don't watch anime. So they watched every episode of
Rotunda. And I was like, yeah, what was
your favorite episode? And they were like I ain't gonna
hold you. I don't know what the fuck y'all
were talking about on that animeepisode but I love that episode
cause y'all just look so happy. Energy, yeah.
Y'all look like y'all having so much fun.

(01:28:56):
I don't know who the fuck Takashi is.
That's what y'all was doing it like y'all and everyone loved
that episode. So I was like that kind of
sparked shades of otaku and I, you know, like as most creators,
I don't know if y'all also experiences too is like you do a
project and you don't know like how good it is or how like it
impacts you. So up until that point, I'm
like, I just do little stuff. So I applied for anime Y CS

(01:29:18):
press pass for the first time that year because I was like, I
kind of want to do a doc about this and I got the press pass.
So you know, when shit like thathappens you, it bigs you up.
You're like, oh. Yeah, I, I, we got to do this
and it's just. So happened.
It just so happened that that year, like at the press pass, I
went into the, you know, if anybody been to anime AYC, the
Crystal Palace right, right there in front of everybody.

(01:29:40):
And I was like, all right, I'm going to start this documentary
right now today and I'm going tointerview some people.
Let me let me see who got some cool cards, please.
And I went up to people randomlystart interviewing them.
Brolic Brolic. What is his name?
Broly, C Pump. Broly C pump Broly C pump was
there. Brolic Pump.
He's so weak saying OK, he's like, I can't believe that I

(01:30:01):
called him that. You can't believe he called him
that. I can't believe he got.
That's crazy. So yeah, Brolic shout out to
Brolic. I, I, I interviewed.
Brolic I interviewed, it was I've interviewed Rolo.
Shout out to Rolo Prime. I interviewed so many content
creators that are goats in the space that I never knew.
And then afterwards later, like,you know, I'm chopping up edits

(01:30:23):
and shit and like, I'm like, these are some creative talents
that ask people. And then we just all became
like, it was random. It was so random.
And then from then it's just been thing after thing after
thing after project after project and connections and, and
and friendship. And here we are like if it
didn't happen, it just happened.I mean, that's How I Met you
working on Saatchi. Saatchi thing that still hasn't

(01:30:44):
come out to this day. Fun.
Fact. You actually interviewed me.
When? Damn bro, I didn't know that.
I was like, you are the father. He was like.
Yeah, actually I was holding that.
I was leaving surprise. I'm glad you held.
It Yeah. Last year for Anime NYC, you

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were interviewing a lot of My Hero Academia cosplayers, and I
was one of them. That was, you know what's crazy?
He's slowly trying to process and he's.
Like 2024, yes Oh my God, that'swhy I don't even remember 2024.
I was doing the music video and interviews and the doc all the
same, and I was on a panel that year that was crazy.
You were in your Attack on Titan.
Yeah, so it had to be Saturday. Yeah.

(01:31:28):
Damn, wait, we were Friday? He's like he's about to have the
That's So Raven. It's OK man, you I'm.
Gonna come back to it, no. No, no, you don't need to
remember. No, no, no need to remember now.
No, no, it's fine. I was.
I was Bakugo like a femme Bakugo.
I was with a bunch of Hawks and summer.

(01:31:49):
Drew, who was in that? In the intro, yeah, yeah.
That's crazy, yeah. That's wow fun.
Fact. I just wanted to throw that in
there. She's all knocked you, boy.
I love that you actually interviewed me.
He said. And now I'm interviewing you
back. And now I'm.
Interviewing. You back when, where?
Why? Circle.
That wasn't even me. Yeah, that.
Wasn't even a real me. That wasn't even.

(01:32:11):
Me. Oh my God.
But yeah, how's you've literallyconnected with so many people,
you've made so many friends through this.
Like, do you, how do you think your journey has been?
You said like essentially five years, like from then to now.
Like how would you describe thatjourney so far?
It's been so much fun, like it'sso much fun to work on something

(01:32:32):
with people that you really like, enjoy being around with a
medium you really like. Because like, I'll say it here,
like for the record, I'm not a documentary.
Well, I am now, but I'm not a documentary type of like if I
have the choice between seeing this amazing documentary and
Avengers Doomsday, go and see Avengers Doomsday.
Like that's my form of film, but.
I love docs. And and they're great.
I'm just not going to go to see one.

(01:32:54):
I'll be recommending one. I'll watch it at the crib.
I'll watch it at home. But because it's anime, I've
been so invested in it and it's just so fun to be able to work
with so many different types of people.
Like I'm here with y'all talkingabout anime.
That's crazy. And for anime to be in a
professional space now that it wasn't in before.
It's also really interesting because like I'm going to to or

(01:33:16):
something to LA Anime Expo, Expo, going to Expo.
I'm in like shout out to Asia. Like, I'm in Crunchyroll's
office because I'm doing a doc, because I've worked with Asia
and we're just nerds. We're just talking about anime.
Like, like, we're talented in our own rights, but we're just
having fun. Yeah.
So it's been fun. It's been, like, work, like,

(01:33:38):
every day. I have no breaks.
No breaks. Like, after this, I'm probably
gonna schedule something else for the doc.
Yeah, it's been like, which is weird about working on a dock
opposed to like a a film short is it's never ending.
Like it's unless you cut it. Like it's, it's been living and
breathing the last four years. So it's been difficult, but it's
been fun being able to work in the space like this and go to a

(01:34:01):
whole bunch of cons. Like, I mean, I was like this
year and last year I I was neverhome.
Like I was out of state every single con almost shout outs to
PayPal and Ford because I'm not rich.
I don't like everybody else that'd be still getting these.
I'm missing my bread. I'm missing bread like so, but
it's been. Fun like.

(01:34:22):
Real fun. Nice.
So like in regards to like that growth process in regards like
how everybody's kind of appreciate because sometimes we
have a a a outer body kind of experience.
When we hear somebody say that they like our stuff or they
watch us that we don't know personally, it's always kind of
jar we're like, oh, we still, westill don't know if we're good

(01:34:42):
at this. Yeah, even though people will
tell us, I guess. Like in regards to your feedback
from working on the documentary,how has that kind of been going
from like the beginning part? Because it is AI would say a
living document because it's still going and you're probably
still adding stuff. You're probably finding new
stuff to add everyday, you know what I mean?
So how's that kind of been kind of with other people's feedback
and kind of pouring into it and what they think about it?

(01:35:04):
Yeah, that that living and breathing everyday.
I'm, I'm gonna need my friends to to stop.
I'm gonna need y'all to stop succeeding every week like I I
want you to win, but every time I do something amazing I have to
add it I need. To showcase you.
Keep doing this shit, it's nevergoing to end so just wait till

(01:35:24):
it finish and then go off. And then go off.
Yeah, like, that is so funny. I'm just kidding, of course.
Yeah, but that's what it is. So it's really like every time
something happens, I'm calculating.
OK Are we adding this? Are we not?
Something pivotal happens, especially like this.
Like Demon Slayer just broke fucking records.
It's going in the doc. In this doc I guess this one has

(01:35:45):
to go this. Has to go but repeat the
question. I forgot how I phrased it.
I phrased it so long like. It was just how do you take like
you're working on it, but also people's feedback.
Where it is how people treat that.
Yeah, I'm not a good person thatreceives, like, praise.
Yeah. You know, I feel like a lot of
us could be like that. I I'm not so like when people

(01:36:07):
say like, you know, it's, it looks so good or it's going so
well. Like it definitely helps me to
keep going. OK, because it again, we're even
with content creation with all of this, it's not easy.
I'll know too. It's not easy to get up and do
that same thing every day, especially when you're not
getting any type of immediate ratification from it.
Like it's nice when you do get those words of like, again, Yo,

(01:36:28):
we love your show, We're watching it, but that's not
something that happens every day.
And then when it happens, you'rejust like, is it?
Cold. Like when I hear that, I'm like.
So few and far between, yeah. Is it?
Though, Yeah. But it helps me continue to do
it. Like that is always, I'm always
like super humbled and blessed when someone even knows what the
doc is. I'd be like, oh, you're doing a

(01:36:48):
documentary. I'm like, oh, and then they're
like, yeah, it looks good. I'm like it.
Does. I get high like it does, it
helps me to continue to do it. And it is weird hearing
something like from the beginning, it just being like,
oh, like I hear you're doing a doc versus like me going to get
into these spaces and they're like, oh, you're the one doing
the documentary. It looks great.
Like that's just like a whole 180.

(01:37:09):
Like I'm just. Like, starting from pitching it
to, you know, bring it together to like, oh, people even know it
exists. And then like I said, like me,
now I'm like, oh, so now we can't lose.
You know, we got a ball. He was like this.
They're depending on me. The Lee village is the reeling
on me. Now I'm like Rock Lee and the
during the example. I can't, I can't lose the guard
now, like I can't. Like, it has to be amazing.

(01:37:30):
It has to be fire and I have to see it through.
Yeah. So maybe Rock was a bad example
because he did lose that fight. He did.
He's just, he's just got to be now he.
Lost from somatics. He was still standing.
He was unconscious, but he was still standing, which is like me
now. I'm still standing.
Well, we, we keep on saying documentary, right?
But people watching don't necessarily know what we're

(01:37:52):
talking about, right? So we're shades of otaku, right?
How, what is it? How do we get here?
How did you come up with the idea?
Fire name by the way. Yes, thank you.
Yes, thank you. It's actually a a interesting
story about shades of otaku. So first shades of otaku.
What it is, it is a feature documentary, full feature.
It's not a short, it's not a skit, it's not a series full

(01:38:14):
feature documentary about the rise of popularity in anime and
this residents with the black community.
So what it's it's really like 2 parts of it.
First part is the actual historypart of a documentary, right?
Like you're learning, you're educated about something that is
the origins and rise of popularity in anime.
It was starting from when it came over into the West with
Astro Boy and Speed racer and Gigantor and all of these

(01:38:37):
things. And then we run the gauntlet up
the, the Voltron, the ghost in the shell to Dragon Ball Z to
where we are now Crunchyroll streaming.
We, we, I want to cover all of the dark days of anime.
I want to cover the whole like, where could you even get anime?
Your computer shut down because of porn ads and and all these
pop ups and threes in Spanish. Always in Spanish or French and

(01:39:01):
sometimes you just have to learna new language today bro.
Yeah, so you finally hit that Japanese with English subtitles.
Yep. So that was not, that wasn't an
easy accessible thing to have. So we talked about that and then
the other aspect of it is the community, the resonance with
the black community. So I'm actually following four
creators. I won't even call them creators,

(01:39:21):
I'll call them pioneers 4. Pioneers within the black anime
community space. So power outs 2.
It's a powerful word, the choiceof words.
Yes yes, shout out to Dragon Baby T Tasha in LA, one of the
Co founders of Anime Geek Retreat.
Nice if you guys heard about Anime Geek Retreat, but it's a
basically a safe space for nerdsto be able to link up.

(01:39:43):
We we actually like met in a cabin and we create a content
form like really good friendships with.
Each other soon you post a lot of people y'all know you post
geek a tree. Shout out to Geek a Tree people
them. So that's Tasha, one of my main
characters. I also wanted to get people from
different facts. It's of America.
Yeah. So Tasha's my West Coast out
there because the anime scene isdifferent in this space, of

(01:40:04):
course. Yeah.
So I wanted to also showcase that.
So Tasha's my West Coast. Shout out to Moon up in Indiana.
So that's my like NE W kind of thing in the middle right there.
She's an amazing cosplayer, probably like my one of my
favorite cosplayers. I have a shout out to Moon.
So it's not Burley C pump? Burley C Pump is in the
documentary though. He'll get there, he'll get

(01:40:24):
there. Down South we got Anime Sundays.
Jared in Atlanta scene with Trapsushi.
Shout out to Trap and troop in them and then back here home
base, because we got a New Yorker is Greg from Lamparty is
my character. And they all bring something.
They all bring something different to it, like Tasha's
very host community based. Manny has the cosplayer scene,

(01:40:46):
Greg has the party and communityscene, and then Jared has the
podcast, the the the tik toks, the all of the content and
hosting as well. But that.
But through them, you see the lens of other people in the
community itself. Because again, you get to people
like you guys. Like I'm following Greg around a
Lamparty who shows up. Probably see pump like and then
you get like. You get all these other people

(01:41:07):
that show up here and then you go to LA Anime Expo and you run
into Toasty and you run into to shout out to Dmitri and you run
into Straw Hat Goofy and like everyone's connected.
And then you go to Atlanta. Oh, Vader's here like it's a
web. Yeah.
And it's important to show that community because we've been
here for a long time. That's the other component is
we've been here for a long time.And then my last like little

(01:41:29):
thing to say about that is the reason I created it is because I
keep telling people I feel like the last time that black people
or just like, you know, people of color like in general left
the theater feeling happy and empowered was Black Panther.
I feel like they hadn't been a film in this generation since
then where we left the date and we were like, yo, it wasn't

(01:41:50):
about slavery. It wasn't about.
And we touched on topics. We talked on colorism and the
difference between the. Africans, it was some serious
shit they were something about, but it was a lifted.
Feeling like this is lit. He was on a spaceship.
Like we felt that. Kill manga was low key right
now. Yeah, like.
Right. But we felt that empowerment,
like he's like, I loved to. He was a slave.
It's a great movie. I'm never watching it again.
It's just, I can't. It's just.
Never ever watched it but. Black Panther, we left and we

(01:42:12):
felt that and it felt very similar to the way people
describe the episode of the Rotunda.
They were like, it's just Black joy.
It's just you guys having fun. So I was like, I want this
documentary. Like we'll talk about racism and
colorism in the black and, and Latino and Latin, like we'll
talk about that. But I don't want to live there.
I want, I want people to leave this dock feeling lit.
I want people to to see Black joy on screen.

(01:42:32):
And that's what we've been seeing in this community.
Like, yeah, every community has its its faults, but we really be
just something about the black anime community that he was
eyeing a child in ways I never thought was possible.
And I think that's a story worthtelling.
Hey. What's up bro?

(01:42:56):
This nurse shit when it first began.
We were overlooked. Anime wasn't cool when I was
growing up. Like look at this, this, this
did not exist. This community has a soul.
To it certain energy and way more layers than you could
imagine I. Remember the first time I saw?

(01:43:21):
Dragon Ball Z and it changed everything.
All right, let's start cooking. Most people don't know animated
and start with Pokémon and was being distributed in America as
early as the 1960s. What's one thing you love about
the Black cosplay community? They're so expressive.
We like this tweak certain Causeway.

(01:43:41):
We're going to look very. Creative in anything we do.
At conventions, often times you don't have the time to really
get to know people. Anime Geek Retreat provides a
location. Can storytelling and art
transcend race and culture? It's just something about us.
You can't really explain it. Either you got it or you got it.
For black people. It's not.
It's not on us, it's in US. And that's what I love the most.
That was actually really I'm we're using that.

(01:44:04):
We're using that in a documentary.
So I mean, I've always tried a wonderful YouTube specifically
because like, I don't know too much about like the besides
Mexicans and their love for Dragon Ball, they're the only
they're the only ones that. Just like they do love that.
We know like, ain't nobody goingto say they're a bigger, bigger

(01:44:24):
fan of, of, of Dragon Ball than Mexican people.
But like being Latinos, like because you're Hondurian, right?
I want to make sure I forget, like you being Colombian, like,
what was that experience like? Especially because you were in
the Bronx, but like you were in Jersey.
Like what was that like for you guys growing up?
Well, I like you said, I grew upin Jersey, so I grew up in the
suburb white suburbia. So I didn't really know that

(01:44:45):
many people of color growing up.It was literally like a handful.
So it's hard to say as far as like, I grew up with a lot of
cousins and stuff, but I, I was the oldest.
So we're watching whatever I want to watch.
So I'm sorry. Y'all going to be anime fans
with me? Like, it is and it is.
And they rocked with it. It was cool.
But it wasn't until, you know, Igrew up and I started, you know,

(01:45:08):
working at jobs and meeting different people, meeting
different people of color. I, I it's not until recently
that anime fans have really comeout.
I don't think. I really grew up with a lot of
people in the Latin community that were anime fans, so I
really can't speak. I mean, that's I mean, that is
an experience in itself. You know what I mean?

(01:45:29):
Like, I'm pretty sure you're notthe only person.
Yeah. What about for you?
For me, my first like real like anime because obviously, like at
the time, you know, you don't think Yu-gi-oh's anime, you
don't think Pokémon's anime, youknow, those are just cartoon
shows at the moment. But like my first anime
experience was my cousin gave methe glitter Sailor Moon like

(01:45:52):
episode on VHS where she turns into the moon.
They find out that she's the moon Princess and all that
stuff. And I thought it was the coolest
thing, you know, like being exposed to magical girls.
I was like, wow, what is it? And I knew that VHS taped front
to back and everything and that was great.
And obviously that was probably,I was probably like 7 or 8 years
old and that was dope. And then it wasn't until I was

(01:46:13):
in Columbia when I was like 10 years old and my cousin
Alejandro, shout out to him, he was watching Dragon Ball in
Colombia in Spanish. So it was like y'all got dragon.
Ball Dragon. Ball.
Yeah. At home he's like, yeah.
So Alejandro's like, see, I was like Goku.

(01:46:35):
Like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I know Goku.
I know you know Goku. He's like, of course I know
Goku, like, what's she talking about?
So that was a really big eye opener of seeing like, wow, like
anime, you know, transcends countries.
Like this is more than that. Also, I don't know, did you guys

(01:46:56):
know Puka? Yes, that was on Jedix, wasn't
it? I think so, yes.
So that actually goes, I say wayback, like the older generation,
like my aunt was obsessed with puka.
But obviously like they don't see that as like a type of
anime. But that is, you know, old
school Japanese cartoon like that was very well known.
She loved puka. So like that kind of stuff, you

(01:47:16):
know, being exposed to that it'sit really is like around the
world type stuff and you don't realize it.
So it was, it was nice because maybe like in the Bronx, you
didn't really get it too much. I will say though, I, I can't
fully say that actually, no, I take it back because I was in
like we were in the playgrounds playing Sailor Moon, you know

(01:47:37):
what I mean? Like we had the squad and I was
fighting people on who's going to be mini Moon and it was me.
I was like, no, it's going to beme, like.
Oh, you want to be chibi? I did.
I love her regardless. You know, just because she's
like sometimes my least favoritedoesn't mean that she's like, I
don't, I hate her. I love her, but it's just all of
them are hyper guards, you know what I mean?
So like I I did grow up around people that like did love this

(01:48:01):
stuff. It's just people don't
necessarily know who it is. Anime.
Yeah, I guess in that aspect, itwasn't until I was high school
that I was like, I'm going to watch, oh, this is an anime, you
know, like legit like episode 1234, like Tokyo Mew, Mew, all
that stuff on 4 kids, like One Piece on there, all that kinds

(01:48:23):
of stuff. So it's just, yeah, it's, it's a
lot. Yeah, because my experience is
like I've told them, like my SO,my mom and me are like, she's
had me when when she was 30. So our age difference is far.
But she's always been somebody who's been super into like
watching cartoons. Like she, I know all the old
school, the Hanna Barberas and all that.
I know all of those off the strength of her, like watching

(01:48:44):
that confidently, but like when I was growing up watching
cartoons, she was watching Courage and not me but it was
home. I didn't want to watch Courage
because was scary, but Courage was her shit.
Like. It was 10:00 PM and it was my
fault for being up that late because she was going to watch
Courage, but she also banged with Rugrats heavy because like
as an adult, when you watch backRugrats, Rugrats is.

(01:49:05):
Crazy, you know what I mean? So she's always been into that.
So like her being an adult and like always being into it never
made me feel like I was wrong for being into anything quote UN
quote childish, whether that be Power Rangers for a long time or
any animated thing or anything anime.
So and then also having like a lot of I have mad older cousins

(01:49:26):
like I'm I grew up in my house as an only child.
I have older brothers, but like all my older brothers were into
anime. My older cousins were into
anime. Like people in my hood.
Like it's like, I won't say where we are specifically, but
people I grew up around this area, but like the people around
me always into it. Like even like the hood dudes,
you know what I mean? Dragon Ball Z like.

(01:49:46):
Yeah. The hood dudes always had that
resonant with Dragon Ball Z. And always locked in.
I mean, it's dad. And then going into like old
school Kung Fu films, you know what I mean?
Back in the day, like all of ouruncles was watching old like in
the back of these old DV990 VHS rental places with the beads in
the back. You go with the beads.
Yeah, you won't see the movies. That ain't supposed to be there.

(01:50:07):
And then you go on got got the Kung Fu movies, but then you got
the anime movies. You know what I mean?
So like. It's always been it's.
It's always been around so and then me, how I carry myself as a
person. I've I've always kind of been
secure in myself, regardless of like, listen, I ain't that tall
either, you know what I mean? But like I I always personality
wise, I'm into what I'm into. I am who I am, but I'm also not

(01:50:30):
a weirdo and I know, I know I'm not AI know I'm not a weirdo.
I was never going to be Naruto running, not because I was
embarrassed to be Naruto runningall way, just as like, why the
fuck am I Naruto running in the hallway?
You know what I mean? Like that *** been doing.
That's like the dudes running out the Roly Poly backpacks and
expecting not to get kicked downthe stairs.
It's just going to happen, you know what I mean?

(01:50:51):
So I was never kind of like shy about that part of myself and
like everybody thought I was kind of chill.
So like, that made me feel more comfortable as I got older.
Like going through middle schooltotally fine.
Like I had no problem sitting inthe lunchroom playing Yu-gi-oh
cards, but also there's a whole different table with all the
cool kids playing Uno. And I was over there too.
You know what? I mean, I was the Yu-gi-oh kid

(01:51:12):
playing. I was all over the place and
then by the time I got to high school, like people, the way I
kind of dressed and portrayed myself, people thought like I
wasn't into anything nerdy and I'm like, no, I am.
I'll put my I'll bring my cars today.
I'll bring my Game Boy colors today.
So I've always dipped into different circles, you know what
I mean? I kind of do that now as an
adult, I feel like, and then college still like I've always

(01:51:33):
kind of been consistent. So, but like, I always hear
other people's experience of like being like, I feel like I
had to tuck that away because I do feel like that is the more
common experience, especially because like, especially as a
black person, like anything that's outside of good stuff
makes you corny, right? Yeah.
I've been blessed enough that, like, my journey wasn't feeling
like I was being called corny. The only thing I was going to

(01:51:54):
call is called short. Everything else, like you can't
say I'm corny because I also know so much about.
I have so much other. Interests.
Right, I'm not only into anime, like I'm super into like music
and I'm super into so I'm into too many things.
Actually. I wish I was into less things
because it would cost me less money to all my habits and stuff
like that. So that comfortableness has only
led me to want to do this. You know what I mean?

(01:52:15):
Before I was creating like YouTube content on myself, but
like I wanted to talk about it more with people as being
somebody, as an only child. So having these two kind of join
me on this journey has been nothing but joy because like we
just yap. Yeah, he brought it together.
We. Just get to yap.
I see. You know what I mean?
No, like that's been like the fun of it all, like you said,
like that black boy joy, that black joy, that whatever that

(01:52:38):
that person of color joy that comes from probably that shades
of otaku like documentary that people get to experience in
their own thing because like it really does kind of just give
all the perspectives it sounds like.
Yeah, it's for multi like because I was very much like
you, but it was in my head. I didn't I had I still had to
like I said, I feel like I had to be a little positive about
the the nerdy stuff. Yeah, but I my interests were

(01:52:58):
soup. Like I was going over to the the
nerd table and then I ran track.So I will go over to the track
table and I'll go like I was very much cordial with all the
groups. I'll go over to the hood dudes.
Like I knew everyone, but I keptthat anime part like a little
until like it started because again I was like, I don't know
how this is going to go, but when you have a mind like that

(01:53:18):
and you are multifaceted when you go to projects and stuff
like that, you see more like like we said with this is from a
long time ago, like Kung Fu movies and and black people with
the synergy was always there andvice versa.
They. Mean rush hour.
Rush hour just for reason. Hip Hop.
Rush hour. Rush hour just for a reason.
Wu Tang Clan Wu. Tang Clan, like all that, it's

(01:53:39):
always been there into the dragon.
Like come on, So. It's it's really been that
synergy forever. But it is important to have
that, that I think that dynamic of being multifaceted because
you can see so much from different lenses and it really
just helps. Yeah, honestly.
What has been the kind of like most, I guess, interesting thing
you've learnt while making this documentary or like you know,

(01:54:01):
whether it be the creative process or what you've learned
about people and their differentexperiences?
Yeah, travel, any of that. That's really good.
I've learned so much, So much about production too, just
because it really is just me, like I'm the only person.
And then of course my friends that like without them, it just
would not have been at all. So like that process of like,

(01:54:22):
you know, filming, you know, theproduction stuff, filming,
lighting, where I can and cannotshoot because sometimes it's on
the go, like sometimes it's on the studio, sometimes it's on
the street, sometimes it's at a con.
So like just learning to manage that it's funny, something that
you wouldn't think that you would learn from like a project,
like a film or something is is like life lesson like you know

(01:54:42):
you do, but like you don't see it happening in real time.
So like close mouths do not get fed.
Yeah, that's true. Close mouths do not get fed.
People think this is going to come, you got to work.
You got to work because like I again, when I started this, I
don't even think I was even likein a space to say like I, I
deserve this. So I need this so I can get I

(01:55:04):
was just like, I'm a humble person out here that's trying to
do this. But because I asked people for
help or because I asked for something and they saw the drive
and the backup, I was blessed with that like just for Geeka
treat real quick. Like for Geeka treat that anime
NYC where I got the press pass and met just kind of everybody
that day. I met Tasha that day because

(01:55:24):
shout outs to Gisiri. I knew Gisiri for mad long.
Actually, we had you, Siri went to high school together.
That's. So.
Funny, there at the high school together.
So I saw him in a picture with like the people that I wanted to
interview. I was like, yo bro, how do you
know these people? He was like anime, like you in
anime. I was like, I didn't even know.
I didn't even know. That's hilarious.
I. Was like, I didn't know.
So like he was like, if you cometo Anime YC, I can introduce you

(01:55:46):
to Tasha. So he introduced me to Tasha and
I was like, yeah, I'm doing thisdocumentary and you know, I
would like to interview you at some point.
And this before she was even oneof my main 4.
And I was like, we can set up like a Zoom meeting or whatever.
Anime NYC was done. We set up a Zoom meeting and I
was describing the project and Iwas telling who I wanted it, the

(01:56:07):
one involved. I was like, yeah, I want to, I
want to, I want to interview Moon and Summer and, you know,
just Siri and and all these people.
And then she was like, well, youknow, like, like half the people
you mentioned is coming to this thing called anime Geeka treat.
And I was like, oh, where she was like, would you want to like
come and be our videographer? And I was like, yes, I was like

(01:56:29):
he. Said I'm in the circle.
Of trust I was. Like I would.
Love to be a videographer for this.
It's a huge role. It was, it was crazy.
And like that spearheaded so many relationships that I have
with them just because of that. But it was really just what I
asked. Yeah, like I just because I
asked and I just like, hey. And I haven't.
Made you how it starts. I'm the king of cold emails.
I sent everybody a cold e-mail. They don't know who I am.

(01:56:51):
That's how it is. I'm like, I'm make this e-mail
sound so good and if they don't answer, they don't answer.
That's the worst that can happen.
And that's really one of the best things I've learned over
this course is like to ask. Like, just ask.
It doesn't hurt to ask, especially if you have literally
nothing to lose. Yeah, because if they say no,
all right, fine. They say no I but.
What if they say yes? And luckily, everyone, and I'm

(01:57:12):
not even lying, every single person that has gotten back to
me, there's been people I've reached out to that hasn't like
ever gotten back to me. But everyone that has never said
no, like everyone I got I that Ireached out to and they hit
back. They hit back with how can I be
a part of this? How can I help?
Yeah, fuck yeah. I mean.
It's inspiring bro. Like that's.
Really cool. When I saw that you was working

(01:57:33):
on it and when I even heard the name alone, I was just like,
Nah, this this got this got somemotion right now, this this got
some potential to really become a game changer in the space,
especially because like where anime has Tom versus like what
we don't got to do the age-old conversation of like what it is
now is nowhere what it was before.
But like, this is kind of like perfect storm, right place,
right time for you to be workingon this.

(01:57:55):
Because. The peak I want to say is not
close, like it's not like super close, but it's it's getting
there like, you know what I mean?
So like terrifying. So for something like a piece of
work like this to like potentially being a zeitgeist
for other people to reference, you know, especially even newer,
younger anime fans who have no idea of like what they hear,

(01:58:15):
whispers and tales of what they say we went through.
And what it was like. But they don't really know.
There's a point to see that. Yeah.
It's a point to see something versus, like, hearing it to
actually see how, like, I have people on camera, like, crying.
I have people on camera, like, emotional.
Yeah. About these cartoons, Yeah.
And like I'm trying to tell y'all, this is more than just a

(01:58:36):
show. Like influence is the way you
grow up and your mentality and depending on like when it came
into your life, it really shapesyou growing up into a young
adult. I mean, we wouldn't even be here
doing it. We wouldn't be here without it.
You know what I mean? In regards to just like talking,
we wouldn't even know each other.
I mean, just all the connectionsthat come through it, like the

(01:58:56):
lessons that it does teach us, we truly as a community with all
the toxicity aside, you know what I mean?
Like we act on what we're learning from these shows in
regards to how we commune with each other.
So you got you got any other questions to any well.
I guess I mean, I'm just going to ask like a generic question,
but like, what would you say wassomething that was influential

(01:59:17):
for you growing up anime wise, something that helped you?
Like if I just talked about, youknow, things that influenced us
in middle school, high school, college, whatever it is.
What's something that you've carried with you over time?
Anime wise like the animals. It was a show that hits for you,
I guess. Like really my?
Favorite anime of all? Time like helped you.
My my favorite anime of all time, like we that that's the

(01:59:39):
that's my favorite that did everything.
It's just the reason for says, well, Taco is the reason that
like I got a car. It's just everything like, it's
the reason. That which one is that?
It's Yu Yu Haka show my man. I was gonna say hi.
You'll say Naruto. I do you say Naruto too man.
Let's. Talk about it.
Back Yu Haka show. That's that's Danny Shay.
Thank you. Yeah, I love it.
I've never resonate. That's why he wears green all

(02:00:00):
the time. He like honestly green, one of
my favorite colors because of the because of the boy, because
of the man, because of the original YN.
Like you say, you're a messy like Yusuke or Ameshi.
Like I've never watched but I hear all good things.
Oh, you got to. Especially because.
Especially because you like. Sailor Moon, Yeah.
Tagashi is married to yeah. Mangako, Sailor Moon.
They're together. You got.
To do that. But yeah, Yu Yu Hakusho is

(02:00:21):
probably my my most influential and my favorite.
It's my number one anime of all time.
Why so also? Yusuke, man, Yusuke is.
I've never seen a even to this day, I haven't seen a
protagonist quite like him. Yeah.
I love he ate too. Oh my God, there's actually so
many characters, but I love coolbar.
Cool bar I I grew to love him atfirst when I was younger I was

(02:00:42):
like cool part. Now cool bar.
Yeah, he's. Going.
Who bar is a man? Who bar is a man?
Man. He is a man.
Man's man bro. He's out there doing it with a
box of scraps like he is. Bro.
He got like a little sword that can open a dimension and that's
it. Now what cool bar is that man?
You know, like every day he got his ass kicked by you.
He helped you get back like grow.

(02:01:04):
He was use case first friend. He was he was use case first
friend, but use case I feel likeand I feel like it's funny
because use case speaks to a lotof people of color.
I feel because one. So the reason he to me is like
one of the best shown in protagonists is because he
doesn't want to win initially. He doesn't really care about
saving the day. OK, so like Luffy, Goku, Naruto

(02:01:26):
to an extent are like, I want tobe the best.
I want to be the greatest. I want to prove myself.
Use K did not give a fuck. He did not care.
OK, he didn't. He does not.
He wasn't a bad person, but he wasn't necessarily a good person
either. Yeah.
So from the jump, it was like, OK, somebody that doesn't really
care about doing that that much like good.
And people saw him as a villain because of his the way he acted

(02:01:49):
in society and which most black people and and people of color
resonate with, right? Like he was a delinquent, but
just because he skipped school because in the manga he smoked.
In the anime he didn't, but he skipped school.
His mother was alcoholic. He got into fights every day,
but no one ever took the time tojust realize why he's so angry.
He didn't even know why he was so angry.
I just felt like, that's such a real character.

(02:02:12):
Yeah. How that Goku and Luffy aren't
real. Yeah.
But their optimism is something that you know well, they're
real. Strive for him, you know what I
mean? Like use Kate feels like a
person that can exist in our real world.
We're like. In any generation.
Yeah, in any generation. Luffy and Naruto and those guys,
like they're so perfectly idealistic, like nobody could
truly feel like they are like that person you.

(02:02:32):
Know and I love Naruto, Naruto'sdefinitely another character I
resonate well with. But use Kate even on that very
first episode, which is not a spoiler that he dies on that
first episode. She slapped me.
Like I remember the I remember the day premiered on Toonami.
It was like, it was like, it waslike 11:00 PM or 12:00 AM and I
was, it was like. He just don't.
Swim they. Yeah, they was doing like the

(02:02:53):
the voice over you scared you'rea machine.
He was a bad kid. And then one thing, he crossed
the street and he died. TuneIn to you.
I know. 11:30 PM. 11:00 PM Yeah,that.
Was a really good time impression, thanks.
No, yeah, it's like that first episode when he died.
Just the story alone of him dying and them not having a

(02:03:16):
place for him because they didn't know he would do
something good. That alone is just a.
A sacrifice. It's an amazing, like,
conversation to have. Yeah, even they thought like
this. This man is like a delinquent,
and he did something and I wouldn't even like, I mean, he
just sacrificed himself. But that idea, and then for the
rest of the show, he's still fighting to do good, not because

(02:03:37):
he's not a good person, but because he doesn't necessarily
know what he wants. Yeah, still finding himself
he's. Finding himself through the
whole through the whole thing, like to do the whole thing and,
and he's number one shit talker and come on like that.
And that Black Air Force energy.I grew, you know, we grew up
around. Always.
Gross. Always gross.
Yeah. Like you say, I don't care if
it's a baby, somebody's grandmother, I'll still knock.

(02:04:00):
Her out hands are rated E for everyone.
Hands are rated E for everyone like so that's why I resonated
with him so much like it like even to this day, like I said
with the dockers, like sometimesyou just be like, OK, what am I?
What am I fighting for today? Like it might be something
different. What am I fighting for?
And that was use K. Most of the time I was like, all
right, I beat everybody. Now what?

(02:04:20):
And that's like as you get olderin life too, like you start
knocking shit off your bucket like when this dock is done.
What's next? Yeah.
So like, that's why and drip. Small bomb.
Yeah. Karama like the original demons.
I love that we have conversations now and people
like, oh, Tandro, Tandro can't pack up.
Nobody from from from any demonsfrom you.

(02:04:43):
Yeah. Not a.
You're not a. Chief, Not even the other two
girl. Not even.
That was the girl, Sasuke, Who? He was Sasuke.
Like, come on. He was the original.
Legend the original emo kid like.
Dragon of the Darkness Flame. What about for you now, I've
never really axed like what really does it for you for you,
you haka show because like I know that you bang with it, but
I never really know what you liked about it so much because

(02:05:03):
you don't even like hunter hunter.
I like well, you don't hunter. I just.
Like I'm just like, it is what it is.
I think you Haka show for me wasjust one of because you Haka
show came out before the big three, wherever even a thing.
I rocked with Dragon Ball Z, butyou Haka show just for me had
more of a story. I think that the comedy was also
there like again, like you have people like Kuubara and use case

(02:05:26):
dynamic with everybody. Oh my God, I can't believe I'm
drawing blanking on her name. Botan.
Yeah, Botan like her dynamic too.
I think I had a huge crush on her growing up too.
It was just different because they also like change their
outfits more. So it was different from other

(02:05:46):
anime where everyone was kind ofjust stressing the same.
So there was just a lot more about it that stuck out.
And I think what really solidified it for me when I was
a kid was like the Dark Tournament arc because they just
introduced so many great storylines in it where his
sensei died. And spoiler alert, obviously.
But then it came out 30 years ago, so sucked.

(02:06:07):
She's not gonna remember. And just like so many, like I
remember like the knife edge death battle between him and
that one guy with a tattoo on his face.
I remember being a kid and beinglike, that's like one of the
coolest things I've ever seen. Like, Oh yeah, yeah, we're just
going to throw 2 knives. We have to stand in between them
and like our, our heels towards the knives and we're just going

(02:06:28):
to Duke it out. I'm just like, wow, that's.
Crazy. That's really cool.
Dark Tournament is the greatest tournament I can show it in.
Until 2 year olds X season 2 come out.
Oh yeah, we'll see. We'll see.
No, I I and I think it really just doesn't hurt that, you
know, you skate wears green and green has always been my
favorite color. The green Ranger was always my
favorite. So.
That's so funny. I, I don't know, you hack a show

(02:06:49):
for me just was one of the firstanime that stood out over any of
the. Others can't, and I the power
couple drip both I. Mean they both go.
They both go with drip. That is what that is, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. They knew with drip.
Too, She knows. Yeah, especially because like I
think you would enjoy watching it, especially because it is
older, so you get to kind of getthat same aesthetic from the 90s
Sailor Moon anime while watching.

(02:07:09):
Yeah, I would have the show watch a couple of those while
you're on the Sailor Moon because you won't have to adjust
your eyes. It's the same.
It's the same type of shit, which is not good.
The dub is goaded and. I would never watch the sub.
It's the yeah, it's the only, it's the best dub probably ever.
Yeah, I'm gonna hold you. Like I only want to hear it.
I need. I need.
Those don't know what it sounds like.
Yeah, I'm good. Well, thank you again for coming

(02:07:31):
through. Got anything you want to plug
before we start to close things out?
I mean, I'll plug chase will Taco.
Yeah, for. Sure I definitely would like
this is because we're nearing the end we're finally nearing
the end, so hopefully there was going to be a lot.
I do want to do the festival run.
So make sure y'all are followingat chase will Taco documentary
on Instagram at just a fro is me, so you can follow chase will

(02:07:53):
Taco through me as well. You know, like, but we're gonna
do the festival run when it's done.
I want this to be the biggest showcase possible for everybody.
Absolutely. You guys are probably even in it
too. I I like everyone's in it.
Kim Kimmy's in it, almost like smash.
Bros is all everyone's here. They're all here, yeah.
So like I want this to be like you see how early I was talking
about 1 battle after another. It's like an Oscar.

(02:08:15):
Yes, as we'll talk, yes, I want it to be there.
I. Thought we got to make it
happen. I thought so I could totally see
this like being on Netflix, Hulu, any of these like later
on, just like so people could just watch it and know because
especially this is such a topic that, you know, people want to
be into, they want to know more about and they want to know,
like you said, the younger generation wants to know about
the beginnings. And I feel like that's going to
answer a lot of questions for people.

(02:08:35):
So I feel like this is absolutely, you know, only the
beginning. FUBU for us by us.
There you go there. You go.
There you go, Osaku. I even tell you why it's called
shades of otaku. Damn, I forgot I.
Don't know, you gotta tell us. Give us the Give us the log.
Give us the back story. Real quick.
So real quick. Shades of otaku, clearly.
Like anytime you hear shades, you think about the different
shades of black people. Like.

(02:08:56):
We're not just one shade of black.
Then it has the double entendre of shades because what we were
talking about earlier is that we're not a monolith.
So like, you're not just black because you like TI or Tupac or
rap music, right? You can be black.
You can. Be.
Yeah. Like you like rock music, but
that's not something that society you really like you you

(02:09:17):
listen to rock like you don't listen to rap.
Like I listen to both actually actually read do romance.
Not. Oh, it's not.
It's not looking good for me, guys.
I don't read or listen to rock. It's not looking good for me.
Must not. Be.
Not like us. I'm one shade now.
Stop. Right.
So we have that right. And then otaku, as most people

(02:09:40):
would do another, you know, likeit's a Japanese term and it's
not a nice term. It's more of a derogatory term,
right? It's more like shut in or
outcast. So I feel like most, you know,
people of color in America feel like outcast.
So another double entourage are like shades in many different
ways, both physical and metaphorical.
And then of otaku, and we are one colors of otaku.

(02:10:04):
And then also like I said, in the spaces we're in, we're
always not welcomed. So that's how we're kind of in
the other shades of otaku, literally and metaphorically.
Loves that. Yeah, I.
Always liked otaku better than weeb you.
Want to know the original title?What we got?
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Because he, he was like you

(02:10:25):
want, you want. You could have been.
You want the tea. What it could have been.
What it was going to be was notice me senpai and I was like,
but I mean. I.
Love that you would hilarious. Because it was another thing
with like the notice me senpai joke.
Yeah. But then also again, we're
unnoticed. We're unseen.

(02:10:46):
Yeah, I think where was headed. Understand, but yeah.
I'm glad. You made you made the right
joke. Be having this conversation.
I'd have been like, yo guy, so we're going to have the notice
me senpai guy on. That's exactly would have been
like like. Like that documentary?
Not notice me senpai. Yeah.

(02:11:07):
Not a good look, not a good look.
The nickname but. We dodged the bullet there.
Poof, close one, but it's. A great story.
Yeah, that's cool. Bro, but thank you again.
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