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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
That's more for me
and you.
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That's more for me and you.
That's more for me and you.
SPEAKER_02 (00:29):
Hey everyone, it's
Brian, and you're probably
wondering right now why westarted with the intro music.
It's because today we're goingto do things a little
differently.
We're actually going to talkabout me, and we're going to
recap the first 10 episodes ofour podcast.
So if you've been along sinceday one, thank you very much for
being along on our new journey.
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And if you're here for the firsttime, thank you for giving us a
chance.
We're actually going to recapthe first 10 episodes, so it
actually is a great time to joinin on the fun.
So with that, I have my friendhere, Craig.
And Craig's going to jump on thepodcast to kind of host it.
We hear Craig every now andthen, you know, talking in the
background, searching stuff onGoogle.
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Really appreciate you for doingthat.
And today he's going to be thehost.
So it's kind of fun.
I get to sit back and be theinterviewee.
So yeah, let's do it.
SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Yeah, I was going to
say...
I know people are always hearingmy voice a little bit when
there's a question and we don'tknow how to spell somebody's
name or somebody can't remembera movie or who was in what.
But yeah, it's nice to be ableto jump on mic and actually do
this.
And I was going to say, peopledon't know that we are newer
friends.
Like we've just met when westarted this project and working
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together.
So this is going to be a goodopportunity for me to maybe ask
you some things that I don'tknow about you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, it's been about,what, a few months?
Yeah.
I mean, this all startedliterally for me looking on
Peerspace.
Like, where could we do thispodcast that we've been thinking
about for a little over a yearand we wanted to get it done?
And there's just been so manythings that have just kind of
like, not gotten in the way, butjust, you know, business
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happens.
We started a film festival.
We then started like a shortfilm contest.
UNKNOWN (02:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
And just the inner
workings of just running a
streaming platform day to day.
I mean, we just put this podcaston the back burner.
So when we finally, it was like,no, we need to do it.
Now's the time.
Let's find a location.
Found the beautiful studio thatyou have here.
Thank you very much.
So, you know, kudos to you forputting this together and making
it look the way it looks.
I'm really grateful for that.
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But then it turned into thislittle, you know, kind of a
deeper relationship between thetwo of us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I love what you've been ableto bring to our podcast and make
it what it is today.
So thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (02:54):
My pleasure, man.
I appreciate that.
I'm really happy to support you.
Like from day one, I was tellingyou, it's like, whatever I can
do while you're in the space,let me know.
I guess it evolved from whateverI could do to, hey, can you come
do this with me to where we arenow, which we're 10 episodes
now, this being the 11th, deepinto building this out and
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making sure that it's reachingthe audience that we think would
find value in Momitu.
And also these interviews,because we're actually
connecting with a lot of peoplethat are in and around the
industry, and they're just verydiverse backgrounds.
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creatives, but also executives,and just giving this really
unique perspective about justcontent and media in general,
but getting to know theseindividuals and how they're
charting their own paths.
So it's been good to listen toso many different stories from
episode to episode.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Yeah.
And it's been fun to watch theprogress of that.
I When my naive self, who hadnever produced a podcast, was
like, I can do this.
It's easy.
Just set up a camera, put somemics together, whatever.
And I was so hardheaded and evenwanting to use these microphones
versus other ones.
And yeah, I mean, we get throughepisode one and I'm like, Craig,
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I need help.
Yeah.
And the cool thing was that youcame along and said, dude,
you're doing a great job, likephenomenal job.
Like we had an issue with acamera that was just like
something we couldn't havepredicted and it just happened.
But like we figured it out.
It worked.
It worked well, actually.
Episode one turned out amazing.
I thought so, too.
With Jacqueline.
And it was something where wehad issues, but like you helped
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us along, like even during thattime where you weren't producing
that first episode.
Yeah.
Came on board, said, what do youneed?
How can we help?
And it turned into somethingeven bigger and better.
I think that the first 10episodes have been incredible.
But on top of that, like thesocial media stuff that you've
been able to create with likethe clips and the excerpts on
YouTube and just the littledetails on how we can reach the
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right audiences for this.
Thank you so much for sharing.
being along the journey with meto make this happen.
So I'm glad we could do thistype of an episode, not just
recap, but like you said, foryou chance to us to get to know
each other a little deeper aswell.
SPEAKER_03 (05:26):
Yeah, for sure, man.
Like I said, it's been, it'sbeen great and looking forward
to doing many, many more.
SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (05:32):
So my question,
first one for you, who are you?
Who
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
are you and what do
you do here?
SPEAKER_03 (05:43):
What's interesting
is like, um, you know, as I'm
listening to the episodes, I'mpicking up these different
tidbits of like how you grew up.
I mean, obviously I know who youare and where you're living and
what you're doing.
Yeah.
Form of me too.
And kind of the origin story.
SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:58):
But for somebody who
is just joining for the first
time, you want to give them alittle summation?
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
I'm trying to make
it as short as I can.
So yeah, Brian Luzil, a veryunique Czech last name that
We're actually the only Luzellfamily in America, so that's
kind of a fun tidbit.
Grew up in Santa Clarita, soNorth LA.
Really, I grew up in the filmindustry, so I mean, I've talked
about that on a few differentepisodes, but my parents were in
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the film industry.
They both produced KevinCostner's first film, which was
pretty unique, pretty fun.
I was not alive at that point,and they were not, I don't know
if they were married at thatpoint.
Can't remember.
What film?
Uh, Malibu hot summer.
Oh my
SPEAKER_03 (06:39):
God.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, I want to say it waslike 79, 80, 81.
I don't
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
know.
I want to say it was earlyeighties.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'll
SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
Google that.
So Kevin Costner's for film.
And the funny thing is actuallymy parents actually discovered
Kevin Costner.
Uh, he wasn't a known name.
He was just, uh, I think he wasworking in the building or
whatever.
And they like, kind of like,gave him or helped him get the
opportunity or something likethat.
I mean, again, these stories arestories that I've heard since I
was a kid, but I don't know allthe inner workings of them.
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And it's weird about that.
I think more people would belike, I want to know all the
details.
But as a kid, you grow upthrough it and just whatever.
So yeah, they helped producethat.
Malibu Hot Summer, I rememberhaving the poster in my house
growing up.
So it was just random and wildthat that ends up being one of
the most successful actors ofall time.
1981, by
SPEAKER_03 (07:30):
the
SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
way.
81.
Okay.
See, look at you already.
Still Googling stuff.
Hosting and Googling.
Multitasking.
But yeah, so they grew up in thefilm industry.
My dad was a director for mostof the time.
My mom eventually moved on tobeing a full-time mother and
then eventually worked otherjobs to make ends meet.
I think at certain times havingup to three jobs at a time to
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just bring...
money to the table becauseunfortunately being an
independent filmmaker doesn'talways provide and my dad didn't
want to give up on his passionso but yeah grew up at least on
a personal side I or it's allpersonal but grew up playing
soccer my brother wasn't fouryears older than I am so I have
an older brother is only brotherhalf and older is only sibling
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and he played soccer so Iobviously in tune played soccer
as well and because he was fouryears older I got Pretty good at
it because I played with allhis, you know, you play with the
older teams, you get better, youget stronger, faster, whatever,
you think differently.
And that played an advantage forme.
So I got quite good at soccer,played throughout my whole
adolescence and to the pointwhere I was eventually going to
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go and play, you know, playcollegiately.
And that was my out, actually.
I didn't want to be in thisindustry.
Like I wanted to play.
play soccer professionally or dosomething different because it's
weird from the outside lookingin this industry and being in
the entertainment world, itlooks amazing.
People see what's on the silverscreen.
(09:02):
They see all these great things,what's streaming on their
televisions, but what they don'tsee is the hard work and the
sacrifice and the time away fromyour family.
We talked a little bit aboutthat in JD's episode, the last
episode, that we talked abouttime away from family and even
why he almost didn't want to bein this industry either.
So It's something where it takesyou away from your family and
you have to really balance thatout.
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So again, I didn't want to bedoing what I'm doing for MoMe2
now.
And so I tried to take my ownpath and of course it sucks you
back in.
But I went away to college,played collegiate soccer.
There's a whole longer storywith that as well, but ended up
playing collegiate soccer andbecame an All-American, got to
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travel the world a little bit,went to Africa.
which was a big thing we talkedabout in April's episode, a
little bit about like my tattooand why I have my tattoo and
what it says.
And so pay attention in thatepisode.
You get a little tidbit there,which really actually shaped who
I am today.
And so I guess fast forwardthat, went to San Diego, lived
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there for about four to fiveyears.
It was almost five and ended uphaving an injury.
My soccer career ended.
I ended up going– back home withlike negative money in my
account and said what am i goingto do and so i ended up for the
next 15 years working incorporate america so worked for
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a car rental company and theneventually into a construction
rental company and during thattime met my beautiful wife that
we've been married for almost 11years now we live we reside in
orange county and um chose therebecause she's from there and
that's how it works.
(10:48):
Um, and I'm very, very gratefulto this day that we are living
there now because, uh, living inSanta Clarita versus living in
Orange County, uh, two totallydifferent vibes.
And, uh, the weather is, I willsay a lot better whenever I go
to visit my brother.
It's just, it's so hot or justreally cold too.
It's, it's like streams of bothgrown up in the desert.
(11:09):
So, uh, yeah, been married for11 years.
Um, Again, reside in OrangeCounty.
And we have a beautiful littlethree-year-old boy, Caden.
Still a whole lot of fun.
A lot of fun being a dad.
Changes who you are.
But in the middle of that, I hadthis opportunity to run MoMe2.
(11:30):
Came upon me.
I actually said no initially.
Didn't think it was going towork the way that it initially
had been kind of talked about.
And I kind of revamped it.
And then...
put a few things behind it.
And now today I'm the VP ofbusiness development for
Momitoo.
So.
SPEAKER_03 (11:49):
I know we covered a
little bit of that in one of the
earlier episodes,
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
but.
I think that was with Jeff.
SPEAKER_03 (11:55):
Yeah, with Jeff.
And I was going to say, talkabout just like a little bit
about that initial conversationand why you were hesitant and
why'd you do the 180 and
SPEAKER_02 (12:06):
Yeah, I didn't think
that the company as it was going
to be set up or at least theinitial business plan or idea of
it wasn't going to work.
And unfortunately, I've seen whyit hasn't worked with some other
companies because we're seeing alot of other streaming services
that like started up and a lotof it were like just companies
(12:28):
that either had content or theyhad like certain ideas of what
they wanted to do, but theydidn't have like a niche
audience.
They didn't have this focus ofhow they were going to grow.
And I looked at it and said, wecan support a whole niche, a few
different niches, to be honest,within MoMe2 and take the name
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from inception of why we createdMoMe2 for the name of More For
Me and You, which is the name ofthe podcast, More For Me and You
podcast.
And I came back and I just said,you know, initially it wasn't
going to happen.
I wasn't going to change what Iwas doing, my trajectory of, you
moving my way up in thecorporate sales world and uh to
do this and i said well if we ifwe do it right we have to focus
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on someone something thatsomeone else is not doing focus
on underserved content focusedon focus on independent films
that have that typically don'tget the limelight um whereas
they get kind of held backthrough the algorithms on other
platforms international filmsthat typically don't make it to
the States.
And if they do, they might be onlike specific subscription
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platforms.
Like we have a lot of reallygreat Asian content, like a lot
of great South Korean contentand content from Japan and Hong
Kong and China.
But you may have to go to likeCrunchyroll, right?
But you have to get asubscription to Crunchyroll to
like then watch that.
So for those that want to getinto that world that don't want
to pay for a subscription, theycan get that experience on
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Mometoo.
At the same time, we can also...
introduce people that let's saylike yourself who let's just say
you've never seen korean contentbefore or uh content from the uk
or or nollywood content fromnigeria you know anywhere in the
world right uh even independentfilms that typically don't get
presented to you on otherplatforms we get to expose you
(14:16):
to that content by the next stepof why we called it momi too is
by presenting it without analgorithm and so all that
long-winded amount ofinformation to say I brought it
back to a point where, with ourteam, it wasn't just me, but
bringing it back to the point ofsaying, how can we best serve
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underserved content makers,right?
And filmmakers and shows that,and even channels, like there's
a lot of linear channels.
Like we talked with Jeff aboutit's active channels.
Well, there's like, there's awhole bunch of other people that
create channels thatunfortunately don't get seen
either.
So we're trying to serve theunderserved and, and, Um, by
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doing that, I think we'rebuilding a connection with those
different niche audiences tomake it what it is today.
SPEAKER_03 (15:03):
And I have to say,
since we started working
together, obviously I spent timeon the app and I'm like, this is
amazing because I'm heavy intotelevision film and I would
always love when I'd find arandom independent movie that
might've been shot on ashoestring budget.
(15:24):
Yeah.
but really resonated with me.
And I feel like there's just avariety of films.
I mean, you're taking them andfinding them in all different
manners, right?
Different budgets, a lot ofdifferent genres and styles or
vibes as you curate.
You curate a lot of vibes,right?
And again, not to make thissound like a plug for the
(15:48):
platform, but it is, it's just anice alternative to the
algorithmic findings that wereserved up on every other
platform we're streaming from.
So if I hop on, I'm like, allright, well, I'm just going to
go find my way.
And that's what I've done veryfortunately, listening to you
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over the course of theseepisodes.
I'm like, oh yeah, you shouldprobably go check this out
because this is something, thisis a genre or sub genre I'm
interested in.
And I'm very curious what's upthere.
And then also just anecdotally,because I have a few years on
you guys, most of everybodywho's come in here, a few years
of age, it's so funny to go andsee some of these movies that
were dropped right around thetime when I was like four or
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five and revisiting titles.
And remember walking throughblockbuster or something and
then seeing the you know seeingthe cover art on the boxes and
then it's like wow this thing isactually here yep so it's just
nice to see the that diversityof content in one place
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
yeah i appreciate
that man that's where we work
really hard to to represent adiverse collection of content
and um i like that you broughtup like i don't know the walking
down the blockbuster fieldbecause that's something that we
talked about in um I wasactually interviewing the
director of a commercial weshot.
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And that was what he brought uptoo.
He brought up like, he's likejust going through Momitu gives
you like these nostalgia vibesabout finding things that are in
the deep cuts, things thatweren't typically in the outside
of a blockbuster.
You get to kind of in the middleof things that you just never
knew what it was.
Maybe your friends didn't giveit an opportunity.
And so, yeah, we kind of likethe me of Momitu is kind of us
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in the chair.
presenting stuff to you.
And kind of like you mentioned,there are other apps that people
use, which is totally fine.
We don't want to be someone'sonly option.
It'd be great if we were, but atthe same time, I don't only use
MoMe 2, so I can't expect othersto only use MoMe 2.
And let's just say we haveanother platform that's like
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your go-to.
We can be your second fiddle,right?
We can be your fallback when youget to a point where you're
like, I've seen everything.
You know, so it's like, uh, we,we want to be that option to
just get you into something.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, man, I'm, I'm six, you
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know, films deep in, in, uh,Bollywood films or whatever.
Right.
So who, who knows who's going togo down to whatever direction.
SPEAKER_03 (18:21):
Yeah.
I was going to say, I kind ofthink of it almost like if you
are going to have a meal at a Orthere's just a restaurant that
you frequent because it'sconvenient.
It's close.
You know, everything's going totaste the same, you know, the
quality, right?
You're making me hungry by the
SPEAKER_02 (18:40):
way.
And
SPEAKER_03 (18:40):
you took my popcorn.
So I take the popcorn afterevery episode, by the way, we
should all know that little,little trivia there, but it's
his tip, but the way that I'mthinking about it, it's like,
all right, we know all of theother ones that are out there
and we're going to show up andthey're going to have their
original content, so forth andso
SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:59):
But, I don't always
have to be there.
Sometimes I want somethingdifferent.
And I know that I'm gonna have avery unique experience when I
flip over to your platform.
So I just think there is spacefor multiple platforms.
The thing that I don't thinkthat there is space for is for
people to miss the mark withcatering to their niche
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audience.
And that's why some of themsucceed and fail.
And that's why I'm really,really confident about what you
and your team are doing BecauseI think you found your lane and
you're like, this is our laneand we're just going to do.
It's what I tell a lot ofpeople.
You can do a million things.
Let's pick one or two and dothem really, really well.
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And I think that's what you guyshave done is picking these
things and doing them really,really well.
Solid platform, really greatcontent that's geared towards
specific audience and serving itup.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Yep.
And shout out Charles, uh,Charles Angelus.
He's our director of operationsand does all of our content
curation.
Um, so he heads that up and, andwith a mix of everyone on our
team that kind of, you know,gives their two cents about
things, but, uh, shout out tohim.
Um, a lot of the, a lot of thestuff that we do for, uh, uh, I
don't remember we were talkingabout it, but, uh, but the, uh,
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the little tidbits about, um,the movie of the week, right.
The, um, Also the stuff that wedo with Harry Marks from Lobby
Intros.
So he does a lot of like theseclassic movie intros.
And so getting deeper into aniche that we're really strong
and we love classic films.
And so he gets to kind of likehave his say in what our
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listeners get introduced to andlike his top 10.
And then it's kind of cool thatwe have a little section there
now too for the podcast.
SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Love that, man.
Yeah.
I love that.
I was going to say– so– Since weare recapping the episodes, I
kind of want to run it down.
Let's do it.
So even though I wasn'tnecessarily in the room for this
one, but obviously in the editand spent a lot of time
reviewing the content, what wasyour favorite moment from
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episode one, your conversationwith Jacqueline?
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
Man, that was a lot
of fun.
Especially because it was thefirst one.
There's something about thefirst one that just makes it
really intriguing, but...
I kind of, I gave that episodethe title of You Can Do It, and
obviously can, C-A-N-N-E-S,where both of us had been
before, and I go once a year forcontent at MIPCOM, and we talked
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a lot about can.
And I think our relatability tothat was really fun, but also
seeing the city in just adifferent aspect.
where her experience was totallydifferent than mine.
She talked about the croisset,which is like this part of
Cannes where you– it's just– Ithink– I don't know what
croisset translates to, but it'slike a– it's just this walkway.
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And so for me, it's just allrestaurants.
But for her, it's set updifferently there.
And so– that was really fun totalk about, like talk about, uh,
Dabuto, like one of my favoriterestaurants there.
Uh, it turns out like, so shethinks she thought she had not
been there, but then I sent herpictures of it.
She's like, Oh, I think I hadlunch there.
Like, it's so cute.
And so like, you know, um, itjust, it was fun.
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Like can is just such a, um,it's a beautiful place.
It's magical.
Um, I went there three yearsago, I believe for the first
time after I had actually takena trip, uh, that kind of walked
by there with my dad, uh, backin 2019 we took a euro trip so
like it was cool to like just gothere in 2019 and you know you
have those moments where i don'tknow if you've ever had these
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moments before but like you gosomewhere you see something and
it's in your mind and then allof a sudden like five years
later you're really involved inthat area but right like this is
a place right you're you've beenhere right so um for me it was
that moment i went to can it wasa place that my my dad had gone
to when he was a filmmaker.
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And I remember hearing him talkabout that as a kid.
And I never knew that was goingto be part of my future.
We got a chance to walk there,like walk up where the red
carpet is, where like peoplewalk up the steps and go to all
the, the premieres that they canfilm festival.
And we just took pictures there.
I thought that was it.
And then fast forward to 2022 or2021, was it 22 or 23 i don't
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know i keep losing track of theyears now but um no it's 22
because this will be my fourthyear going and i go yearly now
and i get to experience that soyeah what a beautiful place i'm
so glad that she had been thereand i'm so glad we got to talk
about it
SPEAKER_03 (23:44):
and i was going to
say um just one of my favorite
moments um watching that episodeand kind of pouring over it and
looking at what I think theviewers would wanna see in a bit
of a snapshot is I found herevolution from being talent on
stage and in front of the camerato being a director very
interesting, right?
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Because of the feedback that shewas getting when she was showing
up and auditioning or gettingbooked and they said, well,
you're telling the directorbasically how to direct.
And I love an origin story thatway because I feel like in my
life, there are things that I donow that I just had thoughts and
opinions about.
And I'm somebody, and my peopleknow this, I'm notorious at
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having a hobby and then figuringout a way to monetize it.
So it was just great to hearthat because I spend a lot of
time in my life mentoringyounger people and they think
that they just need to have itall figured out by a certain and
very ambiguous day, arbitrary,excuse me, day and age.
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They're just like, oh yeah, thisneeds to happen.
It's like, no.
I was like that, 100% like that.
I think we were all like that,which is why through the
mentorship and through theconversations, I try to educate
them because you don't need tolive, there's enough external
pressures.
You don't need to create yourown, right?
But just hearing her story andthen going into the movie
review, where she was critiquinganother piece of content.
SPEAKER_02 (25:12):
Dude, that was
incredible.
And
SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
I just loved her
sensibility around, like, this
is how I would have done it, butthese are the things and this is
why.
And there's just levels andlayers to how people consume
content.
There's people that like thingsthat are mindless, and then
there are people that arelooking at every single detail.
And you can see her mind work asshe's just talking about it.
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It's almost like she's pullingit up.
shot by shot,
SPEAKER_02 (25:37):
you
SPEAKER_03 (25:38):
know, and I love
that.
So those were my favorite kindof moments from that episode.
SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
Well, so, okay.
You bring that up and it justspurs on another thought where,
as far as like me growing up inthe film industry, I never
looked at film that way.
Sometimes I just like looked atit.
I was like, okay, I know howthat was done or whatever, like
that kind of thing.
But being able to like hearfilmmakers break things down
like that is it's something Inever would have done.
And I think I mentioned that inthe first episode or second
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episode that I want this topodcast to be something that's
also relatable for all people towhere it's this is not a time to
critique it's it's a time toliterally give just like our
review on it and like ourthoughts on something from a
really organic perspective thatit's not always just a filmmaker
on like we we've had multiplepeople on that are not
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filmmakers and they give liketheir two cents from a different
perspective than even i wouldand i'm not a cinephile by any
means like I've seen a lot ofmovies and I've seen a lot of
film and I've seen a lot ofshows and I've talked with a lot
of filmmakers, but I wouldn'tconsider myself a cinephile.
I wouldn't be able to name youmy top 10 horror films and who
are they directed by or my topthree John Carpenter films or
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whatever.
I know my favorite is Halloween,but I'm just not into that deep.
But I just love film.
Like, I love movies, and I loveit from a perspective of being
just a typical person watchingmovies because, to be honest,
about four years ago, that'swhat I was.
Like, I wasn't consuming contentthe way I am today.
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So that's why I wanted this tobe light and fun and just
relatable.
And so it's great that we getboth perspectives.
Like, we get those perspectivesfrom Jacqueline, and we also get
stuff from myself or whoever.
SPEAKER_03 (27:21):
Yeah, which actually
brings me to my next episode,
which is getting a differentperspective from somebody that's
not a filmmaker, but a CEOfocused on building a brand.
So it was with April Showers, anAfro unicorn.
So I want to know what was amoment that really resonated
with your left impression onyou?
SPEAKER_02 (27:42):
April's a very
magical person.
And she uses that term all thetime, be magical.
The one thing that stands out,not even a question, the secret.
She talked about the secret anda lot of that came from things
that I, it's honestly thingsthat I think about already, but
just not in the way that shementioned them, but manifesting
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things, vision boards, breathingthings into existence, like that
stuff that I, it comes with alot of confidence to be honest,
like with most people, but And Italk a lot about Gary Vee in a
bunch of different episodes, butI'm a big proponent of his
mindset too with that, is thatyou have to be confident in what
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you're going to do.
And just also know you canchange what you're going to do.
But with April's moment of thesecret, it really brings it back
in and saying, okay, if you wantto do something, go do it.
And if you dream...
which is obviously what she'screating behind the magical
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brand of Afro Unicorn.
If you dream as a child or ifyou're an adult, go back and
still dream as a child.
Dream childlike thoughts towhere you can build some pretty
magical moments in your lifelike Afro Unicorn, like MoMe 2,
like what you're doing here atKeyframe.
I mean, it's just you have tohave those thoughts and you have
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to manifest them.
You have to think about them.
You have to also be confidentthat they're going to happen.
SPEAKER_03 (29:14):
Yeah, and I think
that was something that was
actually resonating, or Ishouldn't say the word
resonating.
I feel like that was a themethat kept appearing before you
two actually spoke about
SPEAKER_02 (29:25):
the secret.
SPEAKER_03 (29:27):
It's not that she
was trying to work it into the
conversation.
It seems like it's just a partof who she is and how she
chooses to live her life.
And I feel like that's whatreally came across to me when I
was watching that.
The other piece is that And youand I talked about this off
camera and I was encouraging youto let that moment sit where you
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were having the conversationabout the unicorns and the color
of the unicorns.
And she's like, I've never seena unicorn that looks like me.
And then she mentioned about thewhite unicorn, the Afro unicorn.
And then you were deferring tojust saying,
SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
Well, I'll take the
white unicorn because that's me.
And she's like, no.
SPEAKER_03 (30:13):
And she had that
moment with you.
SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
And that moment is
the moment that I think she
wants everyone to have.
SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (30:21):
Which is like, why
isn't this for me too?
SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:24):
Why wouldn't it be?
SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Yeah.
I grew up with Cinderella.
What's the difference?
And it was
SPEAKER_03 (30:28):
a fantastic point.
And sitting in the room andwatching your response to her, I
was like, this is exactly whythis woman wants to have this
business.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:39):
And I loved that.
And I'm so glad we were able tocatch that and we can share it
with the audience because, andif you're watching this recap
and you haven't seen thatepisode, you really should go
back and look at it because itwas a really great moment.
And I was really happy to be apart of that.
SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Yeah.
And if you look at the intro, Iam wearing an Afro unicorn
sweatshirt for those introsbecause why, like, why not?
You is such a beautiful thingthat she's doing.
Not just for children.
but also helping business menand women just continue their
dreaming thoughts and continuingto be unicorns in their own
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aspects of life.
SPEAKER_03 (31:20):
Yeah, and it's as a
person of color that is running
a business and growing up in atime where there really wasn't a
ton of representation, this isjust an example of how you can
show up for your community, butalso...
It's for a global community andit's not limiting.
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And I just, like I said, I lovedthat moment.
I love the conversation and Ilove how you two got there
together.
SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Yeah, I'm glad you
saw that.
SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
Ah, so as I'm going
down my list here, episode
three, Liliya.
Yes, Liliya Doichinova.
That's right.
So what do you think you tookaway from the conversation with
her because I thought it was agreat conversation and it was
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really a testament of someonethat is a creative, needs to be
resourceful, took the timeduring COVID, right, where we're
all trying to figure out whatlife is going to look like.
And she poured that into hercreative endeavors.
And I thought that was veryadmirable.
(32:32):
Um, what did you learn from likeher journey overall, just her
immigrating to the, to theStates and her education?
Yeah.
Would you, would you learn fromthat?
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Yeah.
Lily, Lilia, uh, in her ownrespects as a unicorn to, uh,
being as a filmmaker, she issomeone that, uh, so I guess,
uh, To start with, we premieredher film, right?
Her first feature film, TheHaunting of Hollywood.
And we talk about that inepisode three about her film and
how she made it, which is whatCraig's mentioning.
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But with Lilia, I also touchedon this in episode 10 with JD,
was the fact that she grew up inBulgaria, wanting to get into
the industry in some way.
She didn't really know exactlyif she'd be a director.
Yeah.
But I think that it brings thosethoughts above just how film is
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international and how film canreally impact people
differently.
For myself, growing up in thefilm industry, it's weird that I
didn't want to be in thisindustry, right?
But for her, she sawsomething...
I can't remember if it was aplay or a musical or something
like in her local area.
And it made her think like, Icould do this.
I want to do this.
And, and then, you know, to thenmake it to New York and, and get
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into a school there forfilmmaking and then to then make
it to USC for their MFA program,which is like one of the hardest
programs to get into forfilmmaking of to get a master's
in.
What an incredible journey forher.
And to just keep, keep in mindthat people get, they get into
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content differently around theworld because content may not be
available in Bulgaria the way itis here.
And so I think it gives you aperspective of life where, and
not just in film, but also justlife in general, we grow up with
things and very privileged tohave so much content around us
at all times.
And we're like in the heart ofliterally in the heart of
(34:33):
Hollywood right now, uh, beingable to be exposed to anything
and everything.
And yet people around the worldget exposed to content
completely different.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
That's something
that, um, I, I really paid
attention to, uh, earlier inlife as I had a were, you know,
they came over here with theirfamilies, right?
So they maybe came to the Stateswhen they were seven and eight
years old.
And there are all these moviesthat we look at as classic and
iconic that came out.
(35:03):
And they've gone so long inlife, not some people have never
seen the Goonies and we're like,well, you've never seen it.
You know what I mean?
Those things.
I never saw Star Wars.
You know what I mean?
And I think that is just likeour typical, you know, like
basically North American culturethinking that that's globality
and it isn't necessarily.
It is now because of thesyndication of content and the
(35:26):
access.
But yeah, there are people thatare, you know, middle-aged
people that have just not seensome of these things.
So yeah, it definitely lends aunique perspective.
But then again, to be of suchmind to say, now I'm going to
create something myself.
SPEAKER_02 (35:43):
Is amazing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (35:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:46):
Yeah.
And her film is incredible.
So if you haven't had a chanceto go watch The Haunting of
Hollywood, definitely go dothat.
It's on MoMe too right now,playing for free.
Just an incredible little film.
So.
SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Ah, so, you know,
this one was, I actually really
loved this moment because I kindof had in my mind, I had the
same reaction you did, which wasfor episode four with Jason when
he asked you your favoritemovie.
But you didn't answer.
Yeah, I didn't really answer,did I?
(36:18):
But your answer was my answer.
Yeah.
Yes.
Lots of contingencies, lots ofvariables and circumstances.
SPEAKER_02 (36:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:28):
It's hard to pick.
And we talked about comparinggenres and how even in the
Oscars, you know, The CompleteUnknown versus The Substance.
I mean, it's like, what?
How are we going to pick betweenone?
It's like crazy.
Yeah, so what's funny is afterthat episode, I was thinking
about it in the car ride homethe entire way.
(36:48):
And I'm just like, I hate when Iget this question.
So I literally, when I got home,I put together a list of my top
films.
And so let me pull this up realquick.
Here it is.
So I literally I didn't go topfilms of like all time because I
(37:09):
just I still feel like I can'tdo that.
What I did is I actually brokedown.
I'm sorry.
This is going to be like longhere, but I'm totally fine with
it.
I got my top 15 films.
Oh, did you do one too?
Because
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
people would ask me.
That's so funny.
I know.
And people would ask me the samequestion.
SPEAKER_02 (37:27):
Oh, my gosh.
So I have a list of 20.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it stays in my notes.
That's awesome.
So I'm curious to hear yours.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I put top 15 films.
I just literally chose somegenres and not technically all
genres.
Some are niches.
And then I also gave somehonorable mentions.
So I'll go through those aswell.
So favorite comedy, old school.
I went through that.
(37:47):
It's nostalgic.
I quote it all the time.
with my buddies and it just iswhat it is.
Uh, favorite sports movie.
Remember the Titans.
I'm a big Denzel Washington fan.
So like it is what it, but likethat movie is just so good.
Um, the talent in that, in thatfilm, the, the, the writing, the
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historical moments of like whenthey go, like they do the long
run to Gettysburg and they talkabout like, we're still fighting
the same fight that like thesemen, uh, died for like why are
we doing this like reallytouching moments there's moments
like even between the dad andthe daughter and with Hayden
Penetier which is crazy to seeher as like a 10 year old which
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is just so wild and she's likethe same height which is crazy
too but I just love that movieespecially with the strong side
left side strong side like justgets me every time favorite epic
Braveheart just absolutely lovethat film it just i could watch
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the scene of when he's just likegetting people ready for battle
and i i could just i could justget really you know into things
where like it's a pump up jam atthat point right um favorite
horror i talked about it johncarpenter's halloween 1978 uh
hands down not even a questionuh favorite sci-fi which i know
you're gonna hate this answeravatar i i just love it I know
(39:18):
you're going to hate thatanswer.
Yeah.
It's just, I, I literally at apoint, I remember it was just on
TV all the time after I'd seenin theaters and I literally
would just like stay up tilllike two in the morning watching
it.
Cause it's like such a longmovie, but absolutely love that
movie.
Haven't seen in a while though.
And the funny thing is I havenot seen the second one, which
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is just crazy for people.
It was when they released it, itwas when my son was born and,
And I refuse to watch it on mytelevision.
I want to watch it in thetheater.
So I need to find someone that'sshowing that first.
And I need to do it before theyrelease the next ones.
So favorite drama, Good WillHunting.
Can't hate on that one.
(40:04):
Favorite action, which is kindof an action epic, but
Inception.
Love it.
I think you had mentioned aboutone of the episodes where the
little...
The top spinning.
Sure
SPEAKER_03 (40:15):
did.
SPEAKER_02 (40:15):
Love that moment.
Favorite rom-com?
A Knight's Tale.
Ooh.
Yeah.
I'm not mad at that.
No, right?
I like that.
Heath Ledger.
I like that.
SPEAKER_03 (40:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:26):
I think it's a guy's
rom-com, which I don't know if
it's weird to say that, but itis a guy's rom-com.
It's the Geoffrey Chaucerreferences and the sports
references.
There is some stuff throughoutthat, which I love it.
I'm glad you like it, too.
Favorite musical?
which I feel like musicals needtheir own category.
(40:46):
Stop putting together a comedymusical or all that stuff.
The greatest showman.
SPEAKER_03 (40:52):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
There's a lot of
great musicals too, though, like
Santa music.
Love that.
But like, I was going to saysinging in the rain.
Oh, such a good one.
That's mine.
Yeah, that's phenomenal.
That's mine.
And by the way, feel free tochime in on these different
genres if you got stuff on yourlist, please.
Well, I'm just listening andjudging.
You're just like, okay.
I'm listening and judging.
Listening and judging.
And then changing your answersafterwards.
I get it.
(41:13):
No, totally fine.
I see the pencil over thereerasing.
No, but this is in stone.
Fantasy, The Princess Bride.
SPEAKER_03 (41:24):
Okay, real quick.
Yes.
I'm with you.
Yes.
I showed this to a friend ofmine for the first time.
They didn't get it.
They didn't get why this was aclassic.
They didn't get the connection.
It just was completely lost onthem.
And I tried, it really, andthat's what we talk about that
(41:44):
kind of, I feel like they werejust greater cultural shared or
shared cultural experiences whenit came to films back then.
And now, I mean, I'm sittingthere and this was in the last
year.
And no, didn't work.
SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
Wow.
Didn't land.
I'm surprised.
Fortunate.
More for us then.
Favorite adventure movie we weretalking about?
The Goonies.
It's, yeah, it's phenomenal.
And I'm looking forward to them.
I'm actually looking forward toa sequel.
It's weird that I am.
I don't like sequels, but I'mlooking forward to that.
(42:20):
Favorite classic?
It's a Wonderful Life.
Timeless.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (42:26):
I can get with that.
I can get with that.
SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
There's a lot of,
there's a lot, there's so many
good classic films, but that'sjust, it's a, it's a time of
year film too, where it's justlike it, it brings it back to
family and it brings it back tojust Christmas.
And so,
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
yeah, I was going to
say, uh, some like it hot was
mine.
Okay.
And I found it randomly becauseTBS used to play All these old
black and white movies, old.
But then I remember justwatching it being young.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
yeah,
SPEAKER_03 (42:56):
yeah.
I mean, it was funny.
Jack Lemmon and Marilyn Monroeand the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tony Curtis.
I don't know.
That one.
SPEAKER_02 (43:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So then we got animation up.
Just a solid film.
Never saw it.
You need to.
That's what everybody says.
What is up with that?
You need to go see Up.
Yeah, I did it.
Sorry, dad joke.
It's good.
The relationship with the olderman, with his wife and how much
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he misses her.
It gets me every time.
Favorite indie?
Swingers.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
Highly stylized is
what I would say.
SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
The writing's
incredible.
The cast is phenomenal.
Yeah.
And to be able to do that allunder 300 grand, so good.
They were nobodies, I mean, justto make that film.
It's so good.
And then my favorite, microbudget, because I have to throw
that in there, especially withMoMe 2.
(44:00):
We talked about it in episodefour, Stupid Games.
It is something that is so, it'snear and dear to my heart.
Was there for the premiere, gotto do the Q&A for it, got to
really get to know thefilmmakers.
it's a great little horror film.
And if you haven't seen stupidgames, go see it.
Um, so yeah.
And then I'll just, I'm notgoing to talk about each one.
I'll just, I'll name them off,but I got honorable mentions
(44:21):
because I just, they were justso good that I couldn't, uh,
toss them out.
But, uh, as far as comedy, uh,space balls, Mel Brooks is
writing so good.
Yeah.
Um, I love spoofs.
I love things like that.
Um, but like also like his workwith, um, uh, Robin Hood, men in
tights, just, Phenomenal.
(44:42):
Blazing Saddles.
So those are not on my list, butI just named one.
Big Trouble in Little China.
Oh, good.
Yes.
Good one.
Yeah, pull that out of thearchives.
That goes in many differentcategories.
Some say it's a horror film.
Some say it can be more of afantasy type.
There's comedy in there.
There's action.
I mean, there's a lot ofeverything there.
(45:03):
It's
SPEAKER_03 (45:03):
like, what category
is it?
SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
Yes.
Yes.
And it has my favorite Asianactor.
A well-timed pioneer, and Idon't think he gets enough
praise for him, but James Hongplaying Lo Pan.
Just, yeah, phenomenal.
And let's see here.
Gladiator, Top Gun, The ItalianJob.
So good.
(45:24):
Another just, this is such abanger, Seven.
What's in the Box, anotherquotable piece there.
But, oh, incredible film.
I would love to see them make...
I don't want to see them remakethat, but if they were a film to
almost not remake it, but evenhave a prequel or a sequel to, I
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would love to see somethingdeveloped off of that.
SPEAKER_03 (45:50):
Like in the universe
of Seven.
Yes, 100%.
Because the tone, thosecharacters, the way they were
developed.
So something in the Sevenuniverse would be
SPEAKER_02 (46:00):
really good.
100%.
I think that's an incredibletake there.
Three Amigos, just, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, you can't.
I
SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
think if you're of a
certain age, you saw it running
on HBO.
Yes.
And it was unavoidable.
SPEAKER_02 (46:17):
Yeah, the singing
Bush.
It's just so good.
Did you say you have a plethoraof piñatas?
So quotable.
Training Day, just because,again, Denzel Washington.
Huge fan.
And we talked about the Koreantraining day ask of, of that in
the policeman's lineage inepisode one.
(46:39):
And last but not least had tothrow it in there.
It was a last, it was a lastminute addition, but eight mile.
Oh, okay.
I think it's one of the, you getto that scene and every single
person knows that you can't,first of all, not nod your head.
Everyone knows those lyrics.
Yeah.
And, and it's just, yeah.
Phenomenal.
I think they did an incrediblejob.
(47:00):
It's one of the, and obviouslywith Eminem winning.
The Academy Award.
Yes.
Yeah.
Winning that and just being apart of that is phenomenal.
So yeah, there's my list.
I have more.
There's so many more, but thisis why it's so hard, right?
Yeah.
Let's talk about your list.
I would love to hear some more.
SPEAKER_03 (47:16):
Well, because I have
a question for the next episode,
but I'll just run down a coupleof these.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think you and I, I'msorry, we only had one.
that overlapped.
Wow.
Only one.
Yeah.
Which is just a Top Gun.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (47:32):
Top Gun.
So we had
SPEAKER_03 (47:33):
overlapping, but it
was only in my honorable
mention, which is wild.
So here we go.
So I'm just going to run themdown in particular order, but A
Star is Born, the Bradley Cooper
SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
one to be very
specific.
I think that was a phenomenalfilm.
Great choice.
Where would you put that in?
What genre would you put that inyour list though?
SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
Oh yeah.
I would say that's it.
It's a drama.
SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
the drama, but it's
also kind of a musical.
It is kind of a musical.
But
SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
they're not singing
the conversations.
They're not, yeah, you know whatI mean?
The musical performances werethere, but that's why I would
drop it in drama.
No, that's good.
I was going to say The TalentedMr.
Ripley.
Great.
Fantastic movie, right?
The Color Purple, Spielberg's.
This one is going to be a hottake because a lot of people
haven't seen it.
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Sunshine.
Cillian Murphy, Danny
SPEAKER_02 (48:22):
Boyle.
SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
It's I'd say three
quarters of it is a sci-fi
movie.
And then it gets a little, and Iknow the third act is.
I see you, Craig, getting thedeep cuts.
That's where I'm at.
But I love Danny Boyle.
He's one of my favoritedirectors.
I just really loved The Vision.
Cliff Curtis was really great inthat movie too.
Just like stellar performancesall the way around, right?
(48:45):
Kind of on that same Danny Boyletrain, 28 Days Later, my
favorite.
It's my favorite horror movie,but it's just one of my favorite
movies in general.
Mm-hmm.
Respect that.
Yeah.
Let's say Pulp Fiction.
Okay.
Right.
Mission Impossible 3.
Ooh, wow.
J.J.
Abrams won.
Okay.
That movie, I feel like, becauseas much as I love John Woo, 2
(49:08):
wasn't for me.
Wasn't for you, boy.
Wasn't for me.
SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
Controversial take,
but I wasn't that big of a fan
of Mission Impossible as awhole.
Just as the whole thing.
I just never got into
SPEAKER_03 (49:19):
it.
I can understand because one isa little, it feels a little of
the time because, and it's alsoDe Palma and then Wu for two.
But J.J.
Abrams for three, that was theon-ramp to- We're getting
specific on it, which I reallyappreciate.
Yeah, yeah.
These are very well thought outopinions here, right?
Yeah.
(49:39):
Just to run through the listbecause I want to get to this
next question for you.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
Yep.
Shane Black, right?
Yep.
Saving Private Ryan, one of myfavorite military movies, right?
There's a few more, but that'sone of the ones.
Singing in Rain, which is what Imentioned.
One that no one probably wouldever put on their list, but I
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loved it.
Match Point.
Did you see it?
I did not.
Woody Allen movie.
Okay.
Controversial.
I know.
I know.
But just bear with me.
Enjoy it for the art, not forthe personal outside.
Jonathan Rhys-Myers and ScarlettJohansson.
Fantastic.
Yep.
The tension between thecharacters is just, yeah.
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The Rainmaker.
Okay.
And Joaquin Phoenix was just sogood.
In the Rainmaker.
Not hating on it.
Shawshank Redemption.
Yes.
And then Unfaithful, if youhaven't seen it.
Richard Gere, Diane Lane.
No, I have not.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Okay.
I saw that in a theater.
I was like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (50:41):
Yeah.
Yep.
Another honorable mention forme, just because it came up when
you were reading off your list,but Rock and Rolla.
SPEAKER_03 (50:48):
Oh, really?
SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
I'm on the fence.
I just, I got into it.
I have...
A friend of mine, Romero, who wequoted that all the time.
But yeah, I don't know.
There's a film on it also.
I enjoy British films.
I do too.
British accents.
I'm a big English Premier Leaguesoccer fan.
(51:09):
Manchester United, by the way.
Some people are going to hate mefor that.
But I...
don't have to use subtitles forBritish films.
And whereas like if I'm sittingwith my wife, she needs them on.
She's like, what did they say?
Especially with, what was the,Cillian Murphy, Razorblades.
Oh, Peaky Blinders.
(51:30):
Peaky Blinders.
So yeah, we had to have thesubtitles for that.
Even for me, that stuff getsreal deep.
But no, the...
What am I?
Oh, gosh, I'm blanking on thename now.
Green Street Hooligans.
SPEAKER_03 (51:43):
Oh,
SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
OK.
Not not an incredible film byany means.
Yeah, but it's a good film, butit's something I really enjoyed.
So like rock and roll, it kindof fits into that.
So I'm
SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
a big Guy Ritchie
fan.
SPEAKER_02 (51:53):
Yes.
Like I am.
SPEAKER_03 (51:55):
He's one of my
favorite directors.
I put him in my personal top 10.
Yeah.
His catalog is deep.
I'm with that.
Yep.
But there are just some thingsthat I vibe with and like
snatches on my list also.
SPEAKER_02 (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (52:07):
But, you know, like
Rock and Roller and Revolver
were the ones that I was like, Idon't know, my boy.
Let's talk about this.
But, you know, that's why, but
SPEAKER_02 (52:16):
this is, so again,
this is also, and we can segment
this into the next episode, butit's like, yeah, This is why,
again, why MoMe2?
Why do we do things this way?
Because we want to expose peopleto content that they never would
have seen with an algorithmbecause your algorithm is going
to look like how your list is.
Mine's going to look how my listis, right?
(52:38):
And so we can bridge that gap,hopefully, for people to get
exposed.
SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
Yeah, absolutely.
Which, funny enough, speakingabout the platform, And so in
episode five, we had Jen Colbertin here.
Yep, Jen Colbert.
And with Jen, I loved how shewas giving you just all the
praise for you and your teamgetting the app up and going.
(53:05):
But the launch party, I feellike I missed out.
And I saw the video.
SPEAKER_02 (53:09):
Yeah.
I saw the video.
Yeah, if you haven't seen thevideo, definitely go to our
YouTube page.
If you're not already watchingon there now, if you're just
listening, Go to our YouTubepage.
You have to.
Search MoMe2.
Go all the way down and type inMoMe2 launch party.
And wow, what a night.
I mean, we had Jen Cobra there.
(53:30):
She did a stand-up set, whichwas incredible.
She rocked the house.
Everyone was laughing, justdying from her.
She's so funny.
We had an incredible tequilasponsor.
in califino tequila so everyonewas you know kind of kind of
greased up from the beginning wewe had this like little room in
(53:52):
the beginning which was kind ofcool so we kept away kept
everyone away from the mainparty and it was just like this
glass door uh that you could seeinto the party so you could see
all the cool things that weregoing on we had all these
different setups for all thedifferent food themes we had
this uh we had a a photo boothinside of like a uh a vw bus
(54:12):
which was really really fun Um,so we had all this going on and
we had some music playing in thefront room.
People are just hanging out, butthey could see in.
So it was like, almost like youcouldn't get into the party, but
you see it.
But the funny thing is no onewas in there yet.
So it was kind of like, I wantto be in that party, but there's
no one there.
It's kind of this weird thingthat we created and shout out
to, uh, to Debbie for, um, todoing that.
(54:35):
We talked about that on JenCobers.
She, uh, Debbie is justphenomenal, um, event planner
and, uh, yeah.
She, she just, she blew that,blew that party out of the
house.
I mean, people came back fromthat.
Even Jen, I think Jen mentionedit.
She was like, Oh, that's my topthree, top three parties I've
ever been to.
SPEAKER_03 (54:53):
I know that's,
that's saying a lot, right?
SPEAKER_02 (54:55):
It says a lot,
especially cause I mean, I, at
that point I hadn't been to alot of industry parties.
And so like we put this togetherand everyone came away saying
like, man, whoever didn't comemissed out.
And so, um, yeah, it was greatto kick off the company that
way.
Um, we wanted people to, to knowour name from the jump.
Um, it was unfortunate that wehad some things that kind of
held us back like mid, like we,we launched the brand, but then
(55:17):
we had to like kind of hold offon launching it as fully as we
like to, because we had toupgrade our technology.
So it was kind of like, man, Iwish we did the party like a
year later kind of thing, but itis what it is.
We got, we had an incrediblenight and people came away from
that knowing who Momiji was fromday one.
So, so incredible for her tobring that up and have so much
(55:37):
fun there.
It was, yeah.
Phenomenal.
SPEAKER_03 (55:39):
So speaking of
party, that actually segues very
nicely into episode six, who Ithought came with a ton of
energy and was like a party, wasRomaine.
SPEAKER_02 (55:50):
Romaine Simon, my
Haitian brother.
SPEAKER_03 (55:53):
Yes, and I know what
moment stuck out for me, and I'm
going to guess it's the samemoment that stuck out with you.
Yeah.
But let's say it on the count ofthree together.
So one, two, three.
MySpace.
SPEAKER_02 (56:11):
I can see it in your
eyes.
I didn't mean to like...
Dude, that moment was hilarious.
You have to go back and watchthat with Romain.
He is such a character.
But yeah, when he startedbringing up his MySpace page and
like...
forward slash backslash like hejust went off on this tangent of
just like promotion so good manit was so good i mean we all
(56:33):
remember videos
SPEAKER_03 (56:34):
on his myspace
SPEAKER_02 (56:35):
still remember when
we had a myspace i mean for
those that are were old enoughto have a myspace i mean before
facebook myspace was the thingand you have a song on myspace i
wish that i kind of wish theybrought that back like they kind
of did with instagram you canhave a song on your like little
thing but like it's not the sameyou don't visit someone's page
and all of a sudden music'splaying i think they should do
that like where you go tosomeone's page and music is just
(56:56):
automatically playing.
Oh, man, that could get a lot ofpeople in trouble.
It could.
It could.
But I think it says a lot,right?
Like you're in the middle of abreakup.
Like why has this guy not been–like why has my homie not been
like getting back to me kind ofthing?
And like you go to his page andit's just like a breakup song.
You're like, oh, that's why he'sjust not available.
Or maybe someone's just reallyhappy because they just got
(57:17):
married, right?
Like so they're sharing theirwedding song.
And like there's so many momentslike that you could– do that for
right like and anniversaries youknow valentine's day like again
you could change your song upall the time and i think that
nowadays especially back then itwas more difficult to get your
song because i think you werelimited to like 30 seconds or a
certain yeah and it was justloop right yeah it was just loop
(57:39):
and so but and you had to playit i don't think you you didn't
go to the page and it played youhad to like go and play the song
that was there and i thinkinstagram instagram's missing
out on that i think they couldmake something happen there with
uh Maybe it's one of thosethings like it's part of the
premium version with the bluecheck or something.
Whatever.
That was a lot of fun,
SPEAKER_03 (57:57):
though.
Oh, man.
And also a lot of fun was ourbuddy, Sierra.
Sierra Nowak.
Yes.
Well, Sierra is a collaboratorof Momitu.
She's the one that's featured ina lot of the ads.
She's been...
a supporter, collaborator,contributor, and guest on the
(58:19):
pod.
And yeah, she was hilarious.
SPEAKER_02 (58:22):
She does our MoMe
Too Movie of the Weeks.
If you haven't seen those, gocheck those out.
MoMe Too Movie of the Weeks.
We drop one every Thursday.
It's like a 60-second spot onjust the film we want to
highlight that week.
So yeah, shout out to Ciara.
She's incredible.
SPEAKER_03 (58:37):
But she had a few
nuggets for us.
She dropped some gems.
And I know she mentioned...
learning from failures and thatkind of stuck
SPEAKER_02 (58:46):
out, right?
It, it did.
And, and that is something whereI've, I've had, I've been
fortunate enough to fail alittle bit of life.
And I say that people say like,you're an idiot.
Like, why would you want tofail?
And it's like, you need to failin order to succeed.
(59:08):
People that have not failedearly on, We'll pay for it later
because they don't know what itlooks like.
And so again, bringing up Gary Vagain, I talk about that a lot,
Tim a lot.
And just, he talks aboutfailures.
He talks about starting over.
He talks about, Hey, you're nottoo old yet.
Like you're, you're young enoughto can to start something new
(59:30):
and do something different andget into your hobby and do your
niche and just love what you dowith life and don't hate it.
Like she, she mentioned that andit was such a great moment.
Um, have to learn from yourfailures and i'm honestly
learning that through my toddlernow because he's he's three and
it's the hardest thing to seehim fail at things i just want
to do it for him right but ihave to let him fail because
(59:52):
it's the only way he's going tosucceed so yeah learning from
failures i mean that was kind ofepisode one at the same time is
like trying to do this wholething by myself without you and
i i wouldn't have it any otherway to have you you know without
i wouldn't have it any other wayi want you to buy my side for
the rest of the life of thispodcast.
I'm here, bro.
I'm with you, man.
I'm with you.
But what's
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:12):
funny is that we're
talking about failures, and I
think that the next episode wasa key indicator of failure and
resilience because we had afantastic guest in Jeff, but we
also had a bit of a technicaldifficulty
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:29):
with his episode.
We did.
Yes.
Jeff was so patient, so kind.
he we started recording ourepisode we literally like had i
honestly felt like one of thefunnest and intros that we had
done up to that point 19 minutesand for whatever reason um and
(01:00:51):
i'm glad that he did this and sothis is more of a of a a thing
for podcasters in general thatare listening to this not just
everyone's listening butpodcasters specifically uh check
your audio check your wires makesure you're not that nothing is
wrong um We even wear theseheadphones.
We don't need to.
I have you doing it, so I don'tneed to have the headphones, but
(01:01:13):
I like hearing my voice.
Everyone else is going to hearit down the road, too.
We could hear each other fine.
Everything was great.
All of a sudden, he did this.
He just bumped his mic, and allof a sudden, something went out.
We don't know what happened,but...
Uh, we went back and we checkedthe, we're like, Hey, let's stop
real quick.
Let's just see what happened.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:33):
Yeah.
That's, that's my experience.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:34):
Oh, it was rough.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:35):
Yeah.
I mean, it happens.
A camera will cut off sometimesand we lost all the audio.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:40):
It was,
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:41):
it
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:41):
was what it was.
Yeah.
But Jeff, but okay.
I will say Jeff was so patient,so kind.
Like he was like, you know what?
It's all good.
Let's reset.
Let's do it.
Let's go back.
So if you go back to Jeff'sepisode, the beginning is like
the second beginning.
It's kind of funny.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:54):
But what's great
about it is that it wasn't like
put on or rehearsed.
It felt like a continuation ofthe conversation.
We warmed up a little bit.
But also going back and startingit over again gave you an
opportunity to kind of exploresome things that you didn't.
Because you were superintentional going back the
second time to make sure, like,I want to ask this up front.
(01:02:16):
So I thought it was great.
And I told you separately whenwe cut, I was like, you didn't
lose the momentum.
It was a really good episodewith Jeff.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:23):
Well, so in JD's
episode, I was actually getting
nervous because he kept movinghis mic around, which I'm very
like hesitant to do right now.
But I just like, I kind of wantto get comfortable because I'm
not.
I'm not facing the way Inormally would face.
I'm facing you and just I'mtrying to get comfortable.
He kept moving his mic aroundand like, oh, you'll hear it,
all that stuff.
And I don't know if that waslike homage to his dad, but like
just making all the ASMR like,you know, his dad was known for
(01:02:47):
making all those noises.
So, yeah, I was nervous that hissound was going to cut out
somehow.
I was like, and it didn't.
But, yeah, Jeff was great aboutit.
He was really, really nice tojust say, hey, let's just start
over, reset, do what we can withthe time we have.
and made it happen
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:04):
but also I will say
that kind of goes back to the
conversation you were actuallyhaving about with Jeff becoming
the CEO of this company and himworking at the places yeah so
him being the CEO and thenmaking some decisions and being
going there through an exit andthen starting something and then
the course correcting, I justthought that was his character
(01:03:26):
trait and it was exhibited inhow he's worked and how
successfully is now.
And even with something assimple as a technical
difficulty, consummateprofessional is really good
conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:37):
Yep.
And through that, it led to usgetting documentaries plus his
channel on.
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ah, so yeah, Um, this one was aninteresting one because, um, I
didn't really have muchinformation about, uh, from
episode nine about Chloe,
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:53):
Chloe, Caroline,
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:54):
super talented,
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:55):
very talented, very,
very
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:56):
talented.
Yes.
And, um, I'm, you know how I am.
I love to support creatives andespecially people that are out
there just doing as much as theycan on their own.
But, um, what, what was your,your biggest takeaway from her
episode?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:13):
With Chloe, there
was a moment that, and I had
given her, I gave her like thislike creative idea to, she was
talking about how she waswriting songs when she was like
six.
And she's like, yeah, they'rejust, you know, six year old
songs, whatever.
There's, you know, basic,nothing too deep.
And so we had talked about, thatwas kind of the stepping point
(01:04:36):
or the stepping stone point ofher writing.
Like where she's like, I want todo this.
Like she liked writing and sheliked, you know, performing,
whatever.
And so she wanted to become anartist.
And so, and growing up in amusical family, it's obviously,
you know, a little easier to,not easier to get into, but it's
also just like kind of a littlebit of that influence is there
already.
And so for her to mention herearlier moments, it made me
(01:05:00):
bring it back to like pursuingyour dreams, right?
And I think that that'ssomething, and we talked about
that with April a little bittoo, but taking a moment to
think about what makes youhappy?
What is something that you couldlook back on and say, okay, I
did with my life what I wantedto.
And even if you fail in pursuingyour dream, taking the chance to
(01:05:24):
do it, taking your shot, youhave to go after it.
Because if you don't, you'regoing to live a life of regret,
right?
And so I took that away fromher.
Pursuing your dreams andhopefully, I think, I really
hope she makes the kind of theidea that we talked about is
turning her six-year-old selfinto an album, like taking her
six-year-old songs and likerewriting them and developing
(01:05:46):
them into even just an EP.
SPEAKER_03 (01:05:49):
Well, it's funny you
say that because it makes me
think of Superbad.
Seth and Evan, right?
Wrote that when they were kids.
And then now they have theresources and the technical
acumen to bring something likethat to life.
So, you know, we've seen it doneand successful, different genre,
but we've seen it.
(01:06:10):
So I would love to see that
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:11):
from her too.
A friend of mine, James CullenBresick, he's a director.
He actually just, he had a filmcome out with Jean-Claude Van
Damme recently, forgetting thename off the top of my head.
And he's going to be like,killing me for that.
But, uh, either way, look up hisname, but James Cole, James Cole
and Brassick, uh, he has a filmthat's in development now that
(01:06:32):
he wrote when he was like 13 or14.
I love that, man.
And so he's, he took it and he'slike redoing it, like re or not
rewriting it, but just likepolishing it.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's getting, it's gettingmade into a, into a film now.
So it's so cool to see thatstuff.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:45):
I love it when it
happens in an instance like that
or like a super bad situation.
Yeah.
I don't like it when it's likecabin fever.
where I loved the firstiteration of it.
And then it came out again andI'm like, yeah.
Remakes don't always need to behot.
Yeah, that one was, yeah, Idon't know.
I just thought the first onewas, that was it.
(01:07:08):
And since we're, this one's kindof fresh because we're literally
shooting right after our lastepisode, episode 10, J.D.
Witherspoon.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:18):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:19):
Yes.
So my friend- Mr.
Witherspoon.
My friend, my client, I am JD'smanager, but he is my friend
first and foremost.
And I hope my friend now, too.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:31):
Oh, definitely.
It was a long episode.
It was the longest episode ofany episode.
It wasn't even close.
It was almost two hours of anepisode.
It was
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:39):
a two-hour episode,
and I don't think there was any
space in there.
It was just a greatconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:45):
I feel like we could
have gone for three.
I feel like we could haveliterally kept talking.
I almost had to bring him backAnd it's kind of weird being on
the other side of like thethings right now, like you
hosting and I'm kind of theguest.
So kind of jump into my hostmethod again, but like method
acting.
So being the host, I had to getback to the points.
(01:08:06):
Like I have, you know, talkingpoints of what I want to get to
and,
SPEAKER_04 (01:08:10):
you
SPEAKER_02 (01:08:11):
I'm very bad because
I get into tangents all the
time.
SPEAKER_04 (01:08:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:08:14):
And my wife will be
the first one to tell me like,
that story was way longer thanit needed to be.
Yeah.
You could have just said this.
And I'm like, yeah, sorry.
But it's one of those thingslike I had to hone myself back
in.
That's probably one of thebiggest struggles I have as
being a host on this because Ialways want to continue to talk
about whatever topic.
Yeah.
And I have to get back to theprogram in a sense, right?
(01:08:34):
Like kind of just to keep us ontime and keep us on pace and
make sure that this episode isnot Too long, right?
Because, I mean, people'sattention spans are only so
long.
It was difficult with him, forsure.
But it was so much fun.
Like, I had a blast on thatepisode.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:49):
Well, see, I think
that's the thing, right?
So, JD is so creative and sodynamic and clearly very funny.
Clearly very comfortabletalking, too.
Like, that's not always easy forhim, people.
Him being on many podcasts,hosting his own podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Getting up in front of peopledoing stand-up, it's like that's
(01:09:09):
what he does, right?
And there's a different gear forindividuals.
And even when I told you J.D.
was going to come in, I waslike, you're going to be good.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:19):
J.D., he's got it.
Well, because I was a littlenervous because he was the first
guest that I hadn't had aprevious relationship with.
So a little nerve-wracking alittle bit just to get to know
someone because it's not just mepersonally.
making someone else feelcomfortable.
It's also me getting comfortablewith them, you know, in the
sense of, Hey, I just met you,you know, a few minutes ago,
SPEAKER_01 (01:09:41):
you
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:42):
know, kind of thing,
uh, and via email and just
random stuff like that.
But, uh, it's, it's, it wasdifferent.
It was definitely different, butit was a lot of fun.
I think he was the right personto have as that first kind of
guest that was a, uh, an unknownfor me.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09:55):
Yeah.
And I was going to say, um, evenwhen the cameras cut, uh, you
and I both had a moment thatreally stayed with us when he
was talking about his fatherduring the this and that.
And that was the longest thisand that too.
The whole episode was long.
The beginning was long.
The this and that was great.
(01:10:16):
But I'm here for it.
Being someone who sits behindthe camera and I'm watching and
recording and thinking about howthis is going to go out and this
is going to connect and this isfor the audience.
And I was like, All of this isgood.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:30):
All
SPEAKER_03 (01:10:31):
of it is just a
really great conversation.
I could see you two connecting.
But in particular, that momentduring this and that, when you
asked him daytime or nighttime,and he said daytime, and he
started reminiscing about hisfather.
That got me.
That got me.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:51):
Yeah, the question,
it was a simple question that I
wasn't expecting to be thatdeep.
And it was literally like,Nighttime or daytime?
Just like, hey, you like being adaytime person?
You like staying up late?
It was the right question forhim because of the fact that he
does streaming and, you know, hedoes gaming.
And so I know a lot of gamersare typically night owls.
(01:11:11):
They stay up super late, don'tget a lot of sleep, especially
if they're streaming on Twitchor whatever.
And then also working in thecomedy clubs.
You know, working in a comedyclub, like you could be, if
you're headlining or whatever,like you or you're whatever,
like you're on a weekend.
Sometimes it's like 11 o'clockand you're not getting done
until, 1 a.m.
2 a.m.
or not getting home till 3 orwhatever because maybe you stay
(01:11:32):
back and have a drink orwhatever like sometimes you just
don't see the daylight and forhim to then talk about his
father rest in peace JohnWitherspoon incredible actor
incredible comedian for him toget deep like that especially so
early I wish that question waslike later in the this or that
now that I look back on it butman he he said that his father
(01:11:57):
mentioned when he was a kid thatHe appreciated the times in the
sunlight, in the daylight,because there were days where he
sometimes never got to see thesun, which is so wild to think
about.
We see these celebrities, we seethese A-listers, whatever you
want to call them, and you seethese people that are successful
(01:12:17):
in their own right, whether it'sstand-up comedy or as actors or
on TV or whatever, and we don'tsee the behind the scenes of
what they're doing.
And for him to like, you know,JD mentioned about like not
seeing his father sometimes, andI had the same reason.
Like I didn't see my dad forsometimes weeks at a time.
He's on film sets or whatever.
You get to a point where likeyou don't want to be in the
(01:12:41):
industry because of that.
But we don't see all the effortand the sacrifice that it takes
to make things happen for peopleon a screen or at a comedy club
or whatever.
whatever it may be.
So yeah, that hit me hard.
I mean, I kept thinking about itafter that episode.
(01:13:03):
I couldn't stop.
It was just like, man, like, Ithink it's also like, I
mentioned to you before, like,you know, we talked about like,
why did we film at the hour wefilm at and why we film the day
we film?
Because you mentioned like, hey,we should film on a weekend.
And I said, you know what?
I don't film on weekends becausethat's family time.
And that's one of the things Ikeep in my life because I don't
want to sacrifice time with, Idon't want to miss moments with
(01:13:25):
my son.
I don't want to sacrificeweekends with my wife.
I don't want to sacrifice datenights on Fridays when we are
able to do them and get our Mimiand Papa to watch our little
one, right?
Because those are moments Idon't want to have sacrificed
for myself.
And it's not always the case fora lot of people.
So yeah, that was a touchingmoment.
(01:13:47):
It was really touching.
SPEAKER_03 (01:13:47):
Yeah, I mean, I lost
my father a few years ago.
Sorry.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, and I've actually lostboth my parents.
Wow.
And they passed away 11 monthsapart.
So J.D.
answering a very simple daytime,nighttime, evoking this memory
(01:14:09):
of his dad, thinking about mydad.
Both of us have talked aboutjust like losing– losing our
dads.
It's just, yeah.
So that one just really, thatone stuck with me too.
SPEAKER_02 (01:14:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's nice that we've onlydone 10 episodes.
I feel like it's, it's been solong just for the fact that
we've gotten, like, we've hadsome fun with the guests.
We've had some moments that arejust like, wow.
Moments of like, wow, that'sincredible that you do that or
incredibly you went throughthat.
Like we're living lifetimes ofpeople that, through each
(01:14:42):
episode, at least in thebeginning part, right?
Like we have some fun with thisor that, but even this or that
gets deep as we found out withJD.
And then like then doing themovie reviews, it's fun to get
perspectives, but also like thatbrings on the, like even
thoughts of like, Like withChasen, he talked about his
upbringing in Wilmingwood andWilmington, North Carolina and
(01:15:04):
like how they filmed there andthat he's got friends back home.
And so it's not just like forhim, it's not just a business
thing.
It's a nostalgia thing.
And yeah, I mean, there's somany pieces to this that we've
hit only in 10 episodes that Ifeel like we lived multiple
lifetimes through this.
Yeah.
And it's only been 10.
(01:15:24):
Like I can't wait to do the nextone.
Yep.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
So- Any more questions,
SPEAKER_03 (01:15:30):
Mr.
Craig?
SPEAKER_02 (01:15:31):
Question
SPEAKER_03 (01:15:32):
is, what are the
next 10 episodes going
SPEAKER_02 (01:15:37):
to look like?
Wow.
They're going to be a lot offun, for sure.
I feel like I'm definitelyevolving as a host, too.
So I'm looking forward to havingdeeper conversations, even being
more prepared for certain peopleand just talking to them.
It's not something that I justshow up here and we do this.
(01:15:58):
I spent some time researchingeach person and getting to know
them on what Google says, butalso what their social media
says, maybe movies or shows orwhatever they've been in.
But I also don't want to do thattoo much because I also want to
leave some openness to heartheir story.
So I think that's why I wantedto strategize this or set this
(01:16:19):
framework of this show to bethat so that it's not just a–
you know, a set in stone, likehere's every question, here's
every answer kind of thing.
I want these interviews to beorganic and fun and to share
about these moments that maybepeople have never heard before,
like some moments that, and Idon't know who's heard that from
(01:16:40):
JD about his father's, you know,you know, you know, enjoying the
sunshine, enjoying the day.
I don't know how many peoplehe's shared that with.
So it's cool that that's been amoment here, right?
And I'm hoping to have moremoments like that with our
future guests.
So stay tuned for those newguests coming in, the next 10.
I'm looking forward to them.
And I'm looking forward to doingthem with you as well.
(01:17:01):
Same moment.
It's been a lot of fun.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_03 (01:17:03):
absolutely.
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