More Math for More People

More Math for More People

CPM Educational Program is a non-profit publisher of math textbooks for grades 6-12. As part of its mission, CPM provides a multitude of professional learning opportunities for math educators. The More Math for More People podcast is part of that outreach and mission. Published biweekly, the hosts, Joel Miller and Misty Nikula, discuss the CPM curriculum, trends in math education and share strategies to shift instructional practices to create a more inclusive and student-centered classroom. They also highlight upcoming CPM professional learning opportunities and have conversations with math educators about how they do what they do. We hope that you find the podcast informative, engaging and fun. Intro music credit: JuliusH from


June 11, 2024 40 mins

Buckle up! It's the end of the school year and we've got a podcast filled with reflections, advice, and learnings!

First, Joel and Misty discuss King Kamehameha Day. If you live in Hawaii (first, #envious), then you probably already know many of the fun facts that they share about King Kamehameha and a few of his amazing accomplishments. 

Then it's time for the FINAL installment of Join Them on Thei...

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It's another interesting podcast with Joel and Misty!

First, they learn about the Scripps Spelling Bee and Misty's former spelling bee prowess as a child...

Then, they have part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Mandy Jansen about rough draft thinking in the math classroom! If you missed part 1, please tune in to the May 14 podcast (here).

Connect with Dr Jansen on X: @MandyMathEd

Our fin...

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It's Season 4 on the More Math for More People podcast and we have some new segments in store for you this upcoming season!

May 14 is International Chihuahua Appreciation Day - so first Joel and Misty discuss what they like about chihuahuas including Misty's rescue dog, Tabitha Chicken Bean.

Then they begin part 1 of a conversation with Dr Mandy Jansen of the University of Delaware about rough draft thi...

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Ever wondered about the intriguing little balls at the bottom of your bubble tea? Sip along with Joel and Misty at they toast National Bubble Tea Day. Unravel the mysteries of tapioca pearls, reminiscing on childhood memories and the sweet, chewy treats they've loved. 

Joining them are tw...

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It's National Orchid Day! So Joel and Misty discuss their favorite types and their valiant, and often failed, efforts to get them to rebloom...

They also have a conversation with Nicole Esterling, an instructional coach from Little Chute, WI, about her initial challenges, setbacks, and growth as a coach with her team of elementary teachers. We appreciate her willingness to discuss her mistakes to help all of us learn ...

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This week on the More Math for More People podcast:

  • Joel and Misty discuss National Peanut Butter and Jelly Day. Which do YOU prefer, crunchy or smooth? Raspberry or grape? Jam or Jelly? Make yourself a sandwich (with as many knives as you would like) and come listen!
  • Mike Lolkus and Ernesto Bautista drop in to discuss how the ideas behind a growth mindset can both bolster students and create difficulties for students if not inte...
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Get ready for a blend of humor and insight with Joel and Misty on the More Math for More People Podcast as they celebrate "Let's Laugh Day" and Joel's quirky half birthday tradition.

Then they delve into the world of discretionary spaces in education. Pam Lindemer and Adam Varnes join them to unpack how these spaces are pivotal to foster inclusive and safe learning environments. Imagine steering a ship ...

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First, it's National Potty Dance Day! Do you or your child have a potty dance? Or perhaps your doggo?

Then Joel and Misty reflect on the 2024 CPM Teacher Conference which just wrapped up in Los Angeles, CA. The PL Team joins them with their reflections and take aways as well. 
We hope to see you next year presenting or attending in San Diego, CA on February 22-23, 2025!

And we have another installment of ...

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On this episode of More Math for More People, Joel and Misty first talk about National Hoodie Hoo Day. What is this, you ask? Well, you'll need to listen to find out!

Then they have a conversation with Dr. Lara Jasien about the Teacher Research Corps. You can find more information about TRC at and apply HERE.

Next Sara Thompson, the Regional Professional Learning Coordinator for the Southwest Regi...

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On this episode of the More Math for More People podcast, Joel and Misty first discuss how they might (or might not) celebrate National Frozen Yogurt Day.

Then they have an in-depth conversation with Marlena Eanes, a doctoral student at Vanderbilt University under Dr. Nicole Joseph, author of the Black Feminist Mathematics Pedagogy framework published in the journal Curriculum Inquiry. She has a Research Fellowship for CP...

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It's National Pie Day! Yes, the desert, not the number... Joel and Misty discuss some pie trivia and their favorite selections. 

Then Joel has a conversation with Cheryl Tucker about the Academy of Best Practices which will be held in Seattle in late July. Applications are open now!

Then Joel and Misty are joined by Amanda Huffman-Hayes CPM's Outstanding Dissertation Award recipi...

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It's National Poetry at Work day! Joel creates a haiku on the spot and Misty reads everyone a poem by Langston Hughes. 
How will you celebrate?

Also, they reprise a conversation with Gail Anderson, one of the writers in the Curriculum and Assessment department, about assessments. A lot of excellent reminders about how to deal with assessments, particularly in your first few years of teaching CPM. 


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It's National Ambrosia Day! Joel and Misty chat about how they might celebrate.

Also, they have a conversation with Andie Peterson-Longmore, a former CPM student and now a CPM teacher and member of the CPM Teacher Research Corps as well. Andie tells them about her experience with CPM as a student, adopting it at her school in WI several years ago, and her TRC project. 

Also, we have one more installment of Jo...

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It's Red Planet Day! Joel and Misty discuss the Red Planet, aka Mars... Remember when they talked about Pluto Day? If not, find it HERE.

They also have a in-depth conversation with Jessie Todd and Phil Ero of Astoria High School in Astoria, OR about how they have flipped their assessment model to better align with the CPM Pillar of Mixed, Spaced Practice.
You can also read their newsletter article from January 20...

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It's National Pickle Day. Come celebrate with your pickle spear and listen to the More Math for More People podcast!

This week we have a reprise of a very interesting conversation we had with Dr Leslie Dietiker of Boston University. Dr Dietiker is one of the key authors of the CPM courses and she talks with us about the mathematical storylines that are a key part of each CPM course. 

We also have another upda...

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Knock Knock...
Who's there?
Joel and Misty...
Joel and Misty who?
Joel and Misty with a new episode of the More Math for More People Podcast!

On this podcast episode, you'll hear some silly Knock Knock jokes in honor of National Knock Knock Joke Day.
Have Knock Knock that you want to share? Please send it to us at!

Also, they have some more 2024 CPM Teacher Co...
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Join Joel and Misty as they celebrate International Pronouns Day—highlighting the vital aspect of acknowledging and respecting an individual's chosen pronouns. Let's embark on increasing our understanding of the impact of pronouns in our day-to-day interactions.  For more information on personal pronouns please visit:

Then they continue their conversation with Dr. Sarah Powell from the Un...

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First Joel and Misty do a comprehensive, rapid-fire rundown of the National Day holidays. So many opportunities!

Then we have another sneak peek for the 2024 CPM teacher conference featuring Ashley Boyd and John Hayes. They’ll be discussing how you can unlock potential and empower teachers. You don’t want to miss that!

But wait, there's more! They also begin a conversation with Dr. Sarah Powell from the Unive...

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Arrgh, Matey! Are you ready to transform your approach to math education? Prepare to shake things up as we journey towards the much-anticipated CPM teacher conference in Los Angeles, February 2024. We unveil a host of exciting updates - the fresh venue, innovative format, along with seven options for the Friday pre-conference, promising to enrich your professional journey.

We'll give you some sneak peeks at some of t...

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Have you ever considered how liberating it could be to break away from the shackles of your schedule? Well, Joel and Misty kick off this episode by celebrating National Be Late for Something Day and discuss the importance of slowing down, reconnecting with our loved ones, and appreciating the world around us. 

In the second segment, they conclude their captivating conversation with Dr. Malia Height, a respected figure in t...

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