May 14, 2025 • 43 mins
Crystal assures listeners the first year is the worst year when it comes to Morgellons disease and shares Natalie’s story.
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This summer, coming to a theaternear you morgalons Year 1, the
morgues awakened. You're sleeping 2 hours a night,
exfoliating with sandpaper. Just in the last week, you've
personally closed down 3 urgent cares.
Just by asking, could you biopsythis weird moving thing?
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You're not just collecting specimens, you're starting a
damn museum. Every bathroom has become a lab.
Every fiber Morgalon glitter is a clue.
And the worst part is nobody wants to join your cult because
let's be honest, you've got the charisma of a mosquito right now
in the hobbies of a Victorian forensic pathologist, and you're
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acting weird. Hey, guys.
It's crystal clear I'm the host of the show.
The show is more morgalons. Thanks for joining us.
To all the people who just got morgues, let me tell you, the
first year is the worst ear. It does get better.
It does get easier. The symptoms get milder, at
least everybody I've met. But this episode is for you.
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We got another morgie story today, Natalie.
She's a newbie. All right, thanks for listening.
Stay tuned. Hello, hey, hey, how fun are?
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You good? Is this a good time?
Yeah. Perfect.
OK, awesome, awesome. Finally, we did it.
No. How are you?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
It sounds like you've got a lot going on.
Yeah, I honestly don't just haveno idea.
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This all started, to be quite honest, I think it started
earlier than what I when I really started noticing.
But, you know, you start puttingpieces together and you're like,
holy shit, like this started a long time ago.
I feel like everyone that I've talked to has said that.
Yeah, yeah. When was the more?
When was the more recent realization, I guess.
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So being in Texas, so like I said before, we're military, so
we move all over the place. But we have lived in Florida,
Texas and California. Those places that the studies
were like done back in like 2012.
Well, not all, you know, the majority of them were from those
areas. Yeah.
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So but I I have noticed these weird hairs literally like so I
was loading the dishwasher. This is like the weirdest thing.
I was loading the dishwasher andmy gum.
I was chewing gum. It fell out of my mouth and then
like a hair literally came out of my gum and started moving and
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changing the shape of the gum. Yes.
Wow. Yeah.
What color hair was it? What?
How long was it? I it was, I looked at one of my
hairs almost right, but then I got like a really close up
picture of it and I'm like, Oh my God, that's not a hair.
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Like what the hell is? What?
What did you see in the close uppicture?
So it looks like like a long strand that like sharply curved
up with a dot on the top and these there's a small hair
attached to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've, I've,
I've seen so many of those, likeon a daily basis.
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I mean, it's crazy. Mine are also like, they're like
banded like when you look at them really close, they're like
they have like bands across themthat seem to be more reflective
or refractive. White, white.
Yeah, you know, I've noticed even my skin, you know, pieces
of my skin because I thought I've taken literally too many
pictures. We all have, we all have.
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Welcome to Morgans, you now have60,000 pictures.
Oh. My gosh.
Yeah. So the other day I cursed like
15,000. I was like, oh, that feels good,
like. What am I collecting this
evidence for, you know? I know because the doctors don't
give a shit. Like they really.
Don't. And.
It. Sucks because it hurts.
It's so painful. Yeah, yeah.
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So you had a biopsy recently? I have had so many biopsies.
Oh God, I wanna say like Steven,maybe recently.
Jesus, Wow. Yeah, 'cause I have it on my
scalp. I mean, so when I've had it, I
have it everywhere, my scalp. What?
When? When was that?
What year was the gum thing? That was this year.
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Yeah. But like I've always had issues
with my skin in general. I have psoriasis, but I thought
I had psoriasis but my doctor now assures me no, you never had
psoriasis. And I'm like, OK, OK, I mean,
I've had it for my whole adult life, but OK, I'm 38.
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Like I started when I was 20 taking a biologic and I've never
had issues until here. And this like huge flare up
happened and they're like, you know, this isn't psoriasis, this
is eczema. And I'm like, OK.
And even my blood work shows that I don't have an immune like
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my immunoglobulin or whatever that is.
It's not even high, It's not elevated.
It doesn't even look, you know, like all my blood work's.
Normal. There was, yeah.
And they're like, there's nothing we can do.
And I'm like, yes, you can. You can test me for other
things. Like there's so many other
things. And I'm just done with my doctor
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here. Yeah, yeah, no, I got done
really fast with that whole being gas lit thing.
I mean, it's so demoralizing. It's so, yeah, it's so just it
it takes a shot at your dignity.It takes a shot at it's just
humiliating. And it's, it's absolutely so
unjust and so just hypocritical that it, it, it really, it can
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try a person. It is psychological warfare, you
know. Absolutely, because yeah, this
is definitely more than just something, you know, like I
I-100 one, 100% feel that this is like something has been with
me a long, a long time. So and yeah, like, and I've
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recently like gotten on my face again because I haven't in
years, in a long, a very, very long time.
And it's been, it's been hard because, you know, fighting with
everybody. Really.
But have you not? Seen this.
I mean, even my kids actually I3two of them have stuff on them
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and feel it every once in a while and I don't bring it up
and they're not like 2 years old.
You know, they're old enough to know, hey, this is weird.
Why do I have this weird rash orwhy do I have this?
And I'm like, I have no idea. I have no idea guys, but it's
going to be OK. Oh.
My God, wow, as a mom, that's got to just be.
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Right, I actually just took my one daughter to the doctor the
other day. They told her because she has
spots that look similar to molluscum.
Are you familiar? With, yes, OK, yeah.
So it's. Like a pox virus kind of thing.
And pretty common. Yeah, it's pretty common in
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kids. And my son had it, and she had a
couple of spots on her, but she had spots that looked way
different than what I've ever seen from molluscum.
And I'm like, Are you sure? And she's like, oh, yeah, that's
definitely molluscum. And I'm like, OK, so why do my
kids, like, have moles that appear that aren't actually
moles? Yeah, yeah, I get that.
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Every day. And.
Every. Day.
In the beginning I definitely did.
Yeah, in the beginning I definitely did.
So did Tom. So did really.
Oh yeah. Change.
For you and like kind of evolved.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it has.
I mean it's gotten, I would say like the symptoms have
definitely improved since year one, year 2 and that's amazing.
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And I think that's how. Long you've had it for.
I know I'm, I'm still like wake up every day like, is this real?
Like I cannot believe this is happening to me.
Like what the fuck? Five years in and I'm still in
shock, you know, but it's, it's,it's kind of, it has gotten
better and it has changed as well.
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Like it's, it's less about the lesions I've noticed now.
And by the way, I think that whole thing with the blood work
being normal and everything. I of course it is because this
thing, it evades your immune system.
It doesn't have any immune reaction because it very quickly
learns how to adapt and evade your immune system.
And I think like it has become less like lesions and stuff, but
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there's become more and I don't even know how to say this, but
like paranormal kind of stuff has been happening, you know,
like it's, it's I know that justsounds so insane, but I mean, I
don't have to explain to you that like the person who saw a
fake hair of their hair, like trying to turn into the shape of
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bubble, like what the fucking hell?
Like what you? Know what they did, what the
hair did, and it made like a home for itself, almost.
It was the weirdest thing ever seen.
Kind of like a snail when it's making my.
Yeah, yeah. I swear to God, I will send you
pictures and videos. Yeah, yeah.
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It's simple, weird, but yeah, I completely agree with you.
But I've always been kind of in tune with that side, the
paranormal sign. So that was, like, normal for
me. But the other day, my daughter,
who is 10, mind you, she doesn'tmake up things.
She's a very straightforward, a really good kid.
She's like, mom, I, I can't sleep.
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I'm like, why? And she's like, I saw a man in a
suit in your bedroom and I'm like, what?
What? Yeah, yeah.
She saw a man in a suit, like, with like a white shirt on.
He didn't have his jacket on, but he had his, like, his tie
on. And she really couldn't see his
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face, but she was so incredibly scared.
And I'm like, it was at night, you know, she was passing by the
room come talk to me. And she saw that and freaked out
and just things like that keep happening.
Wow, really weird that. Is.
Hard. Yeah, I know.
Just I don't know those kinds ofthings.
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I can brush those off. It's it's more on, it's like
serendipitous type things that happen.
You mean like kind of like serendipitous, like as in like
synchronicities like seem thingsthat are seemingly Yeah, yeah,
yes, yeah. It's like it was almost and
rolled out in that fashion, likefor anything.
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Yeah. Really anything.
I've had a lot of certain people.
Yeah, yeah. Sorry to interrupt you.
It kind of comes in waves too, I've noticed.
But it seems like especially recently, there's just been a
lot of synchronicities that haveoccurred like 1 after another,
like stacking up one on top of the other.
And it's why do I think it's related to morgues?
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I don't know. I don't even know if it is, but
I just know that I didn't experience this kind of stuff my
whole life, you know, So I'm, I'm kind of, I'm curious what
other symptoms like have, what was, So how long has it been?
Like how many months do you know?
This is 8 1/2 months for me. Wow.
With it being this intense, really, it started probably back
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in 2020. Yeah, yeah.
We lived in California. So like I had COVID, I had to
get the vaccine because the military base.
Right. Right.
I'm a nurse. I get it.
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, and we lived in Florida and I had the, I got
COVID and I was super duper sickand I was scared because yeah,
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I'm a biologic, right? Yeah, very sick.
So I had the monoclonal antibodies.
The antibodies, that's what I call them boys.
Like in lying at this random place, like having people.
I mean, it was weird because looking back and like, holy
shit. Like what is this stuff?
We know nothing about it. Nothing.
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Nothing. It was so new and the vaccines,
treatments, everything for it isstill so new.
We don't know the long term effects.
No, no. How could we, right?
Right, right. You know, any other disease or
virus or anything like there's years in studying just to get
some kind of vaccine, but this was so.
Crazy. They skipped animal testing.
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They went straight to human testing.
I think they did an 18 week or 16 week survey.
Well, you know, I mean, come on.Like it's interesting though,
because I've heard you're not byfar the first person who's
mentioned. Like you know, the guy that was
on recently from New Zealand, hewas saying that he had gotten
the COVID jab right before this started for him.
I know because I'm like, that was what we did, you know, we
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went through the whole like the ringer like.
We I was going to ask, yeah. Did you guys think it was
scabies and OF? Course, I mean, at first I, I
was like, there's got to be like, OK, vitty fleas.
That was the first thing. We have fleas.
We have bed bugs, checked everything.
I mean, my husband was away on amilitary assignment at this
time, of course. And I'm like, oh God.
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So I'm trying to like, get everything done.
I had, we have pest control people, we had people come clean
our HVAC system out. We had, you know, professional
cleaners head to toe clean everything because at the ER
they were like, there's nothing there.
And I'm like, I feel it under myskin.
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Yeah. Like I'm not, I've never been
one to ever make stuff up. Like it's just not right.
Why you're a busy woman like whywould.
My head didn't make me better orprove it wrong, like fix it
then. And I have a psychiatrist.
I have a psychologist. I want a therapist.
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And they all say this is not in your head.
This is something that's happening.
And I'm like, I know it is because they see it.
They see it. I show them my like lesions and
my face. I have like cuts on my face, in
my eyes. Have your eyes ever been
affected by this? You know, it's funny you should
ask that because I, I recently started a group chat with some
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of the Morgie ladies and just today they were all talking
about how badly their eyes had been affected, like feeling like
there were granules or somethingor like pieces of glass kind of.
I actually did also like have aneye doctor tell me a couple
years into this thing that like there was some kind of, he
didn't know what it was. He was like, there's just like
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this grit, like covering your eyeballs.
And yeah, and I'm interesting, but I actually, my eyes haven't
bothered me terribly. But I know Tom, they did for
like a year. It was, he had what we thought
was a Pinguella. I don't know if you've ever
heard of that. I feel like as we, as we deal
with this situation, like we allbecome such experts on all these
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random rare diseases, you know? Actually that's that's I know
that's what I have because I have this like yellowish kind of
looking gunk on the like white part of my eye and it's kind of
getting bigger and I'm like, what the hell is this?
Yeah, it looked it up and it that's what it said.
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Surfers Eye. Interesting.
Yeah. It's called a Pinguella.
Your whole eyeball, your psychiatrist and psychologists
have been supportive. I mean, that's.
Such a that's so. Awesome.
That's you're the first person Ihave spoken to.
Who? Oh my gosh, really?
Yeah, you are the first person I've spoken to who's had
actually an affirming not. Sad.
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Yeah. So sad.
Yeah, yeah. They've been amazing.
My so my I will say my psychiatrist is not I was like
because at first she tried to put me on like anti anxiety
medication. Like listen, I take an
antidepressant. I know I have anxiety and
depression but this this is not my normal behavior.
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Why would I ever do this? Like why do I want I don't want
this attention. I'm not this person.
No, I know who nobody is. That's the thing.
Nobody is. None of us are.
No, it's really sick if you do, you know, because like, no, why
would I do this? I can't make these things like
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this is shit that I you can't. And yeah, you cannot implant
foreign materials that are unidentifiable under your own
skin. You're not a microvascular
surgeon, you know. Sometimes it almost feels like
plastic coming. In yeah, I know exactly what
you're talking about. You know what?
Yeah, it's like, and you know, Ihave these like granulomas that
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keep showing up and it's a really interesting thing.
It's in my old wounds. Every single spot is in like
pretty much every old wound I'veever had.
These are starting at my belly button.
Yeah, it's weird. You mean like the location where
you find these weird things are like in scars and stuff?
Yeah. Yes, I I had the exact.
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Same experience, exact same experience.
It's. So weird but I actually have
like necrosis like tissue that'sgone now in my nose, in my
nostril. It's.
Gone. So my nostril has this little
like cutaway, almost like a fissure, and that's what my derm
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says it is. Oh, it's just fissuring.
I'm like, that's not coming back.
Like there's no skin there now. Well, it's I, I've had, you know
what? It's weird.
It's really, really weird, Natalie.
And I'm not saying this to like,you know, assure you or give you
false, you know, whatever, but like I, I have been in that
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exact place that you're describing where like it, it was
like, if you think of like a piece of like raw meat and it's
got like kind of threads like it.
The meat itself is, you know, it's got a grain to it, right,
right. Like it was like there were
grains of like flesh, like coming out of some of my wounds
when I first got this. And I was like, that is going to
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be like a cavity that will never, ever heal.
And it's amazing to me, but a lot of them, I'm not all, but a
lot of them have actually healedlike I don't know how, which,
which by the way, like should not be possible.
Like when you have what you're describing and I know exactly
what you're describing because Ihad it too.
Like when you have that, that isnot a norm to have like just
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spontaneous regeneration of likedead spots, tissue, you know?
So we're it's completely gone. Yeah.
Like how? Which, yeah, so I mean, and I
know like everyone's experience is a little bit different, but
you know, hopefully, like what I've experienced, maybe you'll,
you'll have that eventually happen too.
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I I just don't know. But it, it's, it is so bizarre.
Like it's not just the wounding that's bizarre, it's the healing
that's bizarre. Like have you had?
I'm sorry, Go ahead. No, I was just going to say
Ennis also feels very connected to one another.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Each one. You know what I'm saying?
Like. Like a network.
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Yeah, like I, I honestly though I've, I looked at, you know, I
looked into some guy and all kinds of stuff because.
That's where you go too. If you don't have any
information about any kind of pests or parasites, then you're
OK. What's the next step?
And that's where I went because we all get mold in our homes.
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Like, I know that's something that happens, but we don't live
long enough in a place to reallyexperience it.
And like, I wonder if it's this house.
So then I start deep diving intothat and we do have 3 molds.
However my allergy tests that when I went to the allergist I'm
not allergic to mold apparently.So I'm like, OK, yeah.
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No, that that's part of I swear to God, the mold narrative.
Yeah, I I don't it's like it's crazy to me like this is what
like I love about meeting. I'm so thankful by the way for
you like reaching out and. You too.
No, I am so thankful for you. Like you got me through some
dark dark. Days for you.
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Oh God, I'm so glad. Just to sing along with you
about like worms and crazy shit.But I talk to these things.
I'm always like. You should you should talk to
them for you. Yeah.
Yes, no, it's good to it's good to talk back.
And honestly I I guess I've probably lost it, but like, I
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think they're listening in some weird way.
Completely. I mean, you can't explain it,
but it's, it's you just you can't help you.
You eventually you either learn to completely disbelieve
yourself or to completely trust yourself, you know, and it's
like, I know what they're actually, I take that back.
There is a Gray area where I'm not sure whether I trust myself
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or not, but but for. The most?
Part, but for the most part, yeah, like the fundamentals,
like I'm not hallucinating. Like there's pictures of this,
you know, like there were witnesses in some cases.
Like this is actually. It is real, but it's bizarre.
It's just wild. It's so wild.
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It causes a lot of swelling within me too, like through
that's one thing that I haven't heard a lot of people say, but
the whenever I am like, so peppermint oil works the best
for me. Anything with peppermint oil in
it. And I, I thought that was
interesting because I'm like, OK, maybe this is a spider.
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Maybe, you know, like we don't have any bugs.
Like I've literally found no bugs inside.
There are bugs outside, but nothing on the inside.
There are dead ones on the inside because we have treatment
and all that stuff. But when I'm like getting this
stuff off me, when I say like inthe shower and I'm using just a
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washcloth, nothing coarse or anything.
And it's your skin sloughs off, right?
Well, the swelling goes down like almost immediately and then
it moves to the next one, which is like down or up high higher
on my legs somewhere like that. So is it mostly on your legs or?
I have. It yeah, I have it every truly
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everywhere and it's affecting mystomach like, yeah, like my like
GI issues, like I can't go to the bathroom and then I have to
go like IBS kind of thing, whichI've kind of always had.
But I noticed like weird stuff in my pee and weird stuff in my
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poop. Yeah.
And my kids too, yeah. And I brought it up to the
doctors and they're like, oh, that's weird.
And then I said something like ahair and then they just wrote me
off and I was like, great. You know, it's, it's something,
there's something about this whole condition that really just
perplexes me. And it's the fact that, you
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know, in, in a lot of ways, likeon paper, like this doesn't make
you sick. Like obviously we both know that
like there's a lot of, there's alot of illness involved with
this, you know, but, but on paper, from a clinical
perspective, like there really isn't anything wrong with you.
And, and it's so frustrating. Like it would be frustrating
because there's plenty of peoplewho actually have some other
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known not contested condition who have symptoms and they go to
doctor to doctor to doctor and they can never get a diagnosis.
And, you know, it We're it's this is not relegated just to
people with Morgan ones, but like it is.
So it is so just, I guess to me,it feels like such a futile,
like pursuit to try to get help from healthcare because they're
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just not in most cases going to help you.
I mean, I do think that like psychologists, like that's a
different story. Therapists, you know, like a lot
of them can be very, very helpful in understanding.
Yeah. And occasionally here and there,
you know, people find doctors that will work with them.
But the matter is, isn't there is no medical treatment, right?
If nobody even believes it's real, then of course there's no
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treatments because there's no tested treatments like
clinically tested, you know, So it's like, what's healthcare
going to do for you? It's not going to do anything.
No, I, I was so hopeful in the beginning of this.
I'm like, OK, you know, I got this.
How did you figure it out? How did you figure out what what
it was? What you had?
Honestly, just doing research and then listening to your
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podcast because I was like, maybe maybe it is.
Maybe it is more belongs, you know, I don't know.
I was like, maybe I'm like, Oh my God.
You know, in the back of your head you're like, I hope.
Not I know maybe I'm like play anything but this no, because
it. Has such a bad like.
Stigma. Yeah, yeah, yes, huge stigma,
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yeah. Huge stigma with it.
I'm like, oh shit. And as I'm listening to I'm
laughing because I'm like, holy shit, this is exactly what I'm
experiencing. This is exactly what I feel.
Even the kids, my kids were doing the same thing when it was
just me. I'm sure it didn't help because
I was like oh and what if I was and my husband was in here?
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But they have gotten better. You know?
I've even tried to ignore it andit doesn't go away.
No, I know, I know. I mean, it certainly our
attention to it doesn't help, but but yeah, ignoring it is not
going to make it go away becausean option, Yeah.
I mean, the whole reason why it grabs your attention in the 1st
place is because there's something there, you know?
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Absolutely it is, and I feel like it knows my next step, all
the. Time.
Or it makes the step for me almost, if that makes sense.
No, I actually want to hear moreabout that.
Like what do you, what do you mean by that?
Because I think I do know what you're talking about, but I I
want to hear more. So certain choices I make, it
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almost feels like because I feellike this stuff is attracted to
certain colors. I've noticed that because I've
I've done so much freaking research with this and while my
kids are at school this has beenmy like full time job.
Oh yeah. And because I'm like, this is
not OK, like this is not OK that, you know, doctors are
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treating us like this. And I'm just, I'm pissed about
it. And I want, I want help and
answers and, you know, and if I can't do it in that realm, I'm
gonna do it somewhere. So I would really, you know,
just deep diving. And I found with red and blue,
it's really attracted to red andblue, whatever this is.
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Huh. That's because it shows up more
and it's in. Is it in your clothing at all?
Oh, at all It is. My clothing is made out of
morgalons. Are you kidding?
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm like, how is there like, yeah, like it is 100%.
The entire weave is all fibers of morgalons.
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I mean, it's like, it's insane. Sometimes I feel like it's
eating my clothes. Sometimes I feel like it's
becoming my clothes. I know for sure that before this
all started I definitely did nothave my hair woven through
fabric. Like it's insane.
It is all the way in the textiles and I don't.
I've noticed certain like cheap textiles it's even worse.
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Yeah, I know. It's everywhere.
It's constantly everywhere. That's where I tell my husband.
He's like, oh sure, sure, sure. You don't get it, so you don't.
Get it right, right. So he doesn't.
He doesn't have it. No, he doesn't have it, although
I see a few things on him. Yeah, like if it doesn't bother
him, I don't want to start something.
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Sure. As I've said many times on the
show, and I'm sure like this probably applies to you too,
like was never a big like conspiracy theorist or anything
like here at all. Like in fact, I completely
thought that stuff was ridiculous and pathologized it
and you know, like all that because.
You know, you're, you work in medicine too, like right,
Everything's very straightforward, right?
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I mean you experience. Then you experience something
and it is so humbling. And, and, and I agree with you
though, like I, I think all of us like go into that
investigator slash archivist mode, you know, And I don't
think that that's pathological. I think that's what any normal
human being would do because we are pattern seeking individuals.
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Like we, we like to find patterns and explain things.
And so when you encounter something that you've never
encountered before, you're it's just a natural.
Yeah, yeah. But unfortunately I feel like
that becomes part of the pathology and the time suck and
the negativity and the obsessionand the compulsion.
And, you know, it's like that isa certain kind of mind control
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in and of itself, the whole process of it, you know?
I agree with that 100%. Any normal human being would
respond in that exact way, and that's why we all have, you
know, right? But we get judged for it.
But. Well, it does look insane from
the outside. It does look crazy from the
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outside. I know, I know.
But you know, just even going and talking about.
Yeah. You can't say certain things
because they're going to automatically think, oh,
Morgellons, you're crazy. Sorry, delusional parasitosis.
That's what you have. And I'm like, Oh my God, I
seriously can't stand these doctors.
I just want someone to look. To just look.
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Take the time. They don't take time.
Yeah, that's the thing. They just didn't look.
But they don't look. You know what I mean?
They look at it. So let's biopsy it and then it
fucking moves when you biopsy it, so you're not getting it.
Wait, I actually do have this question.
So this is the one thing that I,I kind of come back to a lot and
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we're talking about fungus and stuff like that, 'cause I was
reading all these medical journals and just reading
anything I could about different, you know, different
types of fungus. And until not, Thoralean fungus
was one that kept coming up and.How do you say it?
Until not Thoralean or until notthe release Is the the like the
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order or whatever the highest classification is?
Yeah, yeah. So it basically looks like a
bug. It's a fungus that can take
over. But Cordyceps, for example, is
1, but it doesn't affect us, right.
But there are, there's the city of Bolus, I'm not sure if that's
(31:40):
how you pronounce it, that affect humans that can be
invasive to the point where theyhave like deep, deep issues.
And that it comes from an insector like I wanted to say like a
mosquito, right? I definitely remember going into
the Cordyceps thing and I, I think like so many people like
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that I've spoken to seem to think that there's a fungal
component at the very least, youknow, I.
Do I Do? I do think there is, yes, I do.
But I can send you some stuff that I found on phase two.
Sorry, my daughter's losing it. I will send you some info I
found on these two and I actually brought it up to my
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doctors too. And I'm like, travel to certain
areas that this could possibly be.
And my husband as well. My husband has been to, like,
Africa and he lives in the woodsfor a while.
So I'm like, yeah, listen, I know stuff can just live in your
skin sometimes. But can we, like, just rule
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everything out? Yeah.
Because the patterns are what's so concerning.
The patterns, how it's so structured?
Very. Structured and it almost like
mycelium like. What's 1 of the strangest things
you've noticed about the morguessince you got it?
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Like I've noticed these bubbles that just won't go away.
They're like, have you noticed that?
Like anything. Like that I've, I've, I've
thought at times that, and I know Tom has, but I've
definitely thought at times thatI saw strange things in water.
I'll just put it that way because it's so hard to explain
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and kind of describe it visuallythat it, it's almost like
whenever I have those kinds of experiences, that's probably the
stuff that's in the Gray area for me.
Like where I'm like, I don't know if that was just hyper
vigilance and hyper sensitization or if that was a
real thing, you know, like it, there's, there's a lot in my own
brain about this that is not black and white, actually not
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the more I think about it. Like, absolutely, there's
definitely the things that I'm absolutely positive of.
And yeah, that's good because like that's something that I can
just say, OK, well, that's what it was, and I accepted that and,
you know, like, this is my thing.
Yeah, yeah. I think that also shows that
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you're saying because if you weren't able to say no, it can't
be this, it can't be everything.I understand that you know like
it, but it is the things that itis and it's unexplainable it.
Really and truly is. And I mean, I, I continue to try
to like, I don't even know if find explanation is the word.
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That's what it started as. It was definitely like, how, how
can this be explained? You know?
And of course, just like you, I also went through all the like,
let's rule out all the traditional stuff first, like
the natural things like parasites and da, da, da, da,
you know, I mean, we all do that.
And then after a while, the longer you have this, the more
you think, OK, the only thing that fits this is like some kind
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of like alien, like, you know, like we've.
Never learned about. This.
Yeah. Or, or at the very, at the very
least, some sort of technology so advanced that it appears to
be magic. You know, I don't know.
It's weird, it is. But yeah, believable.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
So yeah, I guess like I'm no longer searching for people's
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belief. I'm no longer searching for the
explanation. But what I am looking for now I
feel like is meaning like what does this all mean?
Like to me? What am I going to make it mean?
And what am I going to do with this knowledge?
Because you can't Unsee this shit.
That's the other thing, you know, like there is no like
going back to before that's. What I said to my husband, I'm
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like I love you but I can't. It's an exact word.
I can't Unsee this shit because I've seen it under a microscope
as well. Actually I bought a microscope
of. Course.
Handheld 1 yes. You are now at this literally a
morgue. He.
Came home and I had like a kids.Mine just go up a little
handheld one. He's OK.
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He's it was, it was definitely along road with my family in
general. Yeah, yeah.
I was going to ask like how is the relationship after all this?
I mean, we have a good days and bad because there are days where
I feel OK, but I honestly like one of the biggest things that
I've been feeling throughout this whole time has been
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dizziness, like extreme dizziness, like Vertigo
dizziness. And I'm like when you.
Stand up or just at any given moment.
Any given moment, especially when I'm around this stuff, when
I hear the sound, because the sound is a real thing as well.
Absolutely. Oh, I'm, I'm interested.
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Well, tell me, tell me more. So the sounds that I hear is
almost like vibration, kind of like a buzzing.
Oh weird. Oh my God, you're the first
person I've talked to who's alsoheard that.
Yes I I I haven't recorded too because I'm like shit am I
hearing this? Is this really happening?
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Yeah, yeah, no, I know I that's,that's crazy because this, this
is a new thing for me. Like I, there have been a couple
of times where I thought I heardsomething, but it was so just
like indistinct that I was like,OK, what, you know, But now
looking back after to the thingsI've been hearing recently, like
I kid you not, like the other day now, like there was this
(37:28):
sound that it was this weird buzzing, kind of weird sound
buzzing. And Tom and I were here and I,
I'm like looking around the house and I look through every
room, you know, expecting to seelike a, you know, like a bug,
like flying, getting bumping up against the window or something.
But there is no such thing. And so I like record a little
clip of it and then when I slow it down and like, you know,
(37:51):
denoise it and stuff, everything, put production on it
and stuff, I hear of like weird voice say do not give up.
Oh my gosh, that is crazy. Yes, yes.
And I'm like, I don't know if that is Morgalon's adjacent or
what, but I was like really feeling down too.
Like it was. You needed it.
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Yeah, I. Did I did, and it was like it
was a strangely, I don't know. Tell me about the sounds you've
been hearing though. I'm like so interested.
No, that is what is so weird. Like I have goosebumps because
something similar happened to meand I don't bring it up to a lot
of people because I don't know how they're going to feel about
me. Like I've recorded things with
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my camera, like on my phone, just an iPhone that weren't
there in person that I like years ago.
Just things like that where I'm like, that wasn't there.
I don't know what the hell that is.
But. So what it was, whenever I
thought this was like fungus or something of that nature, I was
outside in my front yard kind oflooking around because I was
(38:56):
like, do we have like a yard fungus or what's happening?
And there was this book and I like took a photo, but you know
how iPhone has the live setting and it it records a little
snippet. So I had it hooked up to my
Apple car play and I was just like going through the photos
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and I heard a voice and I was like, Oh my God.
And it was a woman's voice. And my gosh, I gotta, I gotta
remember what she said exactly because I, I haven't talked
about this in forever, but it was a warning almost.
Oh, it said like, like, look closer, like look closer here.
(39:40):
Something to that effect to the Bush where that was.
Because when I walk I know this is going to sound insane.
No it won't. Not to me.
When I walked by certain plants in our neighborhood like they
shake, not shitting you, I they start to quake.
(40:02):
No, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Like I've seen this weird plant like vibrating like in front of
me. It's vibration.
That's exactly right. And I'm like, maybe that
whatever is in that isn't actually part of the plant,
maybe not something else. Because.
That vibration, yeah, that vibration is what I hear.
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And there's a high pitched vibration and a low one.
And whenever it's really bad andI feel like I'm going to fall
over and pass out, those two come together.
And my daughter is the one who explained it to me that way
actually. She's like, I hear this really
deep boom sound. I'm like, yeah, I'm like.
Yeah, that is wild. Wow.
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So my 6 year old hears this. I've never said that to her but
she said one night I can't stop hearing the sound and I'm going
to tell me about it babe. And she's like, it's really.
And then there's this high pitched sound and it's like
they're a magnet and they come together and I'm like, yeah,
dude, you're right. Smart.
(41:08):
That's exactly right. Wow, the way it sounds.
All right, let's start. We're gonna pause for now on
Natalie's story, but I'm so grateful she came on the show
and shared her story with us. Eight months in, you guys, Isn't
she composed? Isn't she poised?
I think I was still losing my fucking shit eight months in.
(41:30):
Go back, listen to the shows. They're probably pretty weird.
But yeah, no, I just really appreciate her sharing her
experience with us. I encourage you all out there
listening to Share your story more. morgalons@gmail.com Would
love to have you on the show. I'm a little bit behind on my
roster. It takes me a while to edit
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these phone calls and clean themup.
But if you want to become a guest on the show and do it
faster, send me a voice note. Send me an e-mail first, I'll
give you my phone number and then send me a recorded voice
note, like maybe 5-10 minutes long and I'll put that on the
show. Or you could do one minute.
It doesn't matter. We want to know you.
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We want to hear from you, and before we go, I will share with
you all the bizarre fucking sound that I heard in my house
recently as we close out the show.
As I was saying, it sounded likea electronic buzzing sound, or
possibly like a family buzzing like around like a window or
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something. It had a kind of a resonant
buzz. I was only ever able to capture
a few seconds of it and it just sounds like, but when I slowed
it down and I cleaned up the audio, denoised it and looped it
around so I could listen to it afew times, this is what I heard.
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All right, you heard the demon. Do not give up.
Thank you for listening, stay tuned.
This summer, coming to a theaternear you morgalons Year 1, the
morgues awakened. You're sleeping 2 hours a night,
exfoliating with sandpaper. Just in the last week, you've
personally closed down 3 urgent cares.
Just by asking, could you biopsythis weird moving thing?
(00:20):
You're not just collecting specimens, you're starting a
damn museum. Every bathroom has become a lab.
Every fiber Morgalon glitter is a clue.
And the worst part is nobody wants to join your cult because
let's be honest, you've got the charisma of a mosquito right now
in the hobbies of a Victorian forensic pathologist, and you're
(00:43):
acting weird. Hey, guys.
It's crystal clear I'm the host of the show.
The show is more morgalons. Thanks for joining us.
To all the people who just got morgues, let me tell you, the
first year is the worst ear. It does get better.
It does get easier. The symptoms get milder, at
least everybody I've met. But this episode is for you.
(01:04):
We got another morgie story today, Natalie.
She's a newbie. All right, thanks for listening.
Stay tuned. Hello, hey, hey, how fun are?
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You good? Is this a good time?
Yeah. Perfect.
OK, awesome, awesome. Finally, we did it.
No. How are you?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
It sounds like you've got a lot going on.
Yeah, I honestly don't just haveno idea.
(01:47):
This all started, to be quite honest, I think it started
earlier than what I when I really started noticing.
But, you know, you start puttingpieces together and you're like,
holy shit, like this started a long time ago.
I feel like everyone that I've talked to has said that.
Yeah, yeah. When was the more?
When was the more recent realization, I guess.
(02:09):
So being in Texas, so like I said before, we're military, so
we move all over the place. But we have lived in Florida,
Texas and California. Those places that the studies
were like done back in like 2012.
Well, not all, you know, the majority of them were from those
areas. Yeah.
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So but I I have noticed these weird hairs literally like so I
was loading the dishwasher. This is like the weirdest thing.
I was loading the dishwasher andmy gum.
I was chewing gum. It fell out of my mouth and then
like a hair literally came out of my gum and started moving and
(02:51):
changing the shape of the gum. Yes.
Wow. Yeah.
What color hair was it? What?
How long was it? I it was, I looked at one of my
hairs almost right, but then I got like a really close up
picture of it and I'm like, Oh my God, that's not a hair.
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Like what the hell is? What?
What did you see in the close uppicture?
So it looks like like a long strand that like sharply curved
up with a dot on the top and these there's a small hair
attached to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've, I've,
I've seen so many of those, likeon a daily basis.
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I mean, it's crazy. Mine are also like, they're like
banded like when you look at them really close, they're like
they have like bands across themthat seem to be more reflective
or refractive. White, white.
Yeah, you know, I've noticed even my skin, you know, pieces
of my skin because I thought I've taken literally too many
pictures. We all have, we all have.
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Welcome to Morgans, you now have60,000 pictures.
Oh. My gosh.
Yeah. So the other day I cursed like
15,000. I was like, oh, that feels good,
like. What am I collecting this
evidence for, you know? I know because the doctors don't
give a shit. Like they really.
Don't. And.
It. Sucks because it hurts.
It's so painful. Yeah, yeah.
(04:21):
So you had a biopsy recently? I have had so many biopsies.
Oh God, I wanna say like Steven,maybe recently.
Jesus, Wow. Yeah, 'cause I have it on my
scalp. I mean, so when I've had it, I
have it everywhere, my scalp. What?
When? When was that?
What year was the gum thing? That was this year.
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Yeah. But like I've always had issues
with my skin in general. I have psoriasis, but I thought
I had psoriasis but my doctor now assures me no, you never had
psoriasis. And I'm like, OK, OK, I mean,
I've had it for my whole adult life, but OK, I'm 38.
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Like I started when I was 20 taking a biologic and I've never
had issues until here. And this like huge flare up
happened and they're like, you know, this isn't psoriasis, this
is eczema. And I'm like, OK.
And even my blood work shows that I don't have an immune like
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my immunoglobulin or whatever that is.
It's not even high, It's not elevated.
It doesn't even look, you know, like all my blood work's.
Normal. There was, yeah.
And they're like, there's nothing we can do.
And I'm like, yes, you can. You can test me for other
things. Like there's so many other
things. And I'm just done with my doctor
(05:48):
here. Yeah, yeah, no, I got done
really fast with that whole being gas lit thing.
I mean, it's so demoralizing. It's so, yeah, it's so just it
it takes a shot at your dignity.It takes a shot at it's just
humiliating. And it's, it's absolutely so
unjust and so just hypocritical that it, it, it really, it can
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try a person. It is psychological warfare, you
know. Absolutely, because yeah, this
is definitely more than just something, you know, like I
I-100 one, 100% feel that this is like something has been with
me a long, a long time. So and yeah, like, and I've
(06:36):
recently like gotten on my face again because I haven't in
years, in a long, a very, very long time.
And it's been, it's been hard because, you know, fighting with
everybody. Really.
But have you not? Seen this.
I mean, even my kids actually I3two of them have stuff on them
(07:02):
and feel it every once in a while and I don't bring it up
and they're not like 2 years old.
You know, they're old enough to know, hey, this is weird.
Why do I have this weird rash orwhy do I have this?
And I'm like, I have no idea. I have no idea guys, but it's
going to be OK. Oh.
My God, wow, as a mom, that's got to just be.
(07:26):
Right, I actually just took my one daughter to the doctor the
other day. They told her because she has
spots that look similar to molluscum.
Are you familiar? With, yes, OK, yeah.
So it's. Like a pox virus kind of thing.
And pretty common. Yeah, it's pretty common in
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kids. And my son had it, and she had a
couple of spots on her, but she had spots that looked way
different than what I've ever seen from molluscum.
And I'm like, Are you sure? And she's like, oh, yeah, that's
definitely molluscum. And I'm like, OK, so why do my
kids, like, have moles that appear that aren't actually
moles? Yeah, yeah, I get that.
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Every day. And.
Every. Day.
In the beginning I definitely did.
Yeah, in the beginning I definitely did.
So did Tom. So did really.
Oh yeah. Change.
For you and like kind of evolved.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it has.
I mean it's gotten, I would say like the symptoms have
definitely improved since year one, year 2 and that's amazing.
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And I think that's how. Long you've had it for.
I know I'm, I'm still like wake up every day like, is this real?
Like I cannot believe this is happening to me.
Like what the fuck? Five years in and I'm still in
shock, you know, but it's, it's,it's kind of, it has gotten
better and it has changed as well.
(08:54):
Like it's, it's less about the lesions I've noticed now.
And by the way, I think that whole thing with the blood work
being normal and everything. I of course it is because this
thing, it evades your immune system.
It doesn't have any immune reaction because it very quickly
learns how to adapt and evade your immune system.
And I think like it has become less like lesions and stuff, but
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there's become more and I don't even know how to say this, but
like paranormal kind of stuff has been happening, you know,
like it's, it's I know that justsounds so insane, but I mean, I
don't have to explain to you that like the person who saw a
fake hair of their hair, like trying to turn into the shape of
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bubble, like what the fucking hell?
Like what you? Know what they did, what the
hair did, and it made like a home for itself, almost.
It was the weirdest thing ever seen.
Kind of like a snail when it's making my.
Yeah, yeah. I swear to God, I will send you
pictures and videos. Yeah, yeah.
(09:59):
It's simple, weird, but yeah, I completely agree with you.
But I've always been kind of in tune with that side, the
paranormal sign. So that was, like, normal for
me. But the other day, my daughter,
who is 10, mind you, she doesn'tmake up things.
She's a very straightforward, a really good kid.
She's like, mom, I, I can't sleep.
(10:22):
I'm like, why? And she's like, I saw a man in a
suit in your bedroom and I'm like, what?
What? Yeah, yeah.
She saw a man in a suit, like, with like a white shirt on.
He didn't have his jacket on, but he had his, like, his tie
on. And she really couldn't see his
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face, but she was so incredibly scared.
And I'm like, it was at night, you know, she was passing by the
room come talk to me. And she saw that and freaked out
and just things like that keep happening.
Wow, really weird that. Is.
Hard. Yeah, I know.
Just I don't know those kinds ofthings.
(11:03):
I can brush those off. It's it's more on, it's like
serendipitous type things that happen.
You mean like kind of like serendipitous, like as in like
synchronicities like seem thingsthat are seemingly Yeah, yeah,
yes, yeah. It's like it was almost and
rolled out in that fashion, likefor anything.
(11:27):
Yeah. Really anything.
I've had a lot of certain people.
Yeah, yeah. Sorry to interrupt you.
It kind of comes in waves too, I've noticed.
But it seems like especially recently, there's just been a
lot of synchronicities that haveoccurred like 1 after another,
like stacking up one on top of the other.
And it's why do I think it's related to morgues?
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I don't know. I don't even know if it is, but
I just know that I didn't experience this kind of stuff my
whole life, you know, So I'm, I'm kind of, I'm curious what
other symptoms like have, what was, So how long has it been?
Like how many months do you know?
This is 8 1/2 months for me. Wow.
With it being this intense, really, it started probably back
(12:11):
in 2020. Yeah, yeah.
We lived in California. So like I had COVID, I had to
get the vaccine because the military base.
Right. Right.
I'm a nurse. I get it.
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, and we lived in Florida and I had the, I got
COVID and I was super duper sickand I was scared because yeah,
(12:32):
I'm a biologic, right? Yeah, very sick.
So I had the monoclonal antibodies.
The antibodies, that's what I call them boys.
Like in lying at this random place, like having people.
I mean, it was weird because looking back and like, holy
shit. Like what is this stuff?
We know nothing about it. Nothing.
(12:52):
Nothing. It was so new and the vaccines,
treatments, everything for it isstill so new.
We don't know the long term effects.
No, no. How could we, right?
Right, right. You know, any other disease or
virus or anything like there's years in studying just to get
some kind of vaccine, but this was so.
Crazy. They skipped animal testing.
(13:14):
They went straight to human testing.
I think they did an 18 week or 16 week survey.
Well, you know, I mean, come on.Like it's interesting though,
because I've heard you're not byfar the first person who's
mentioned. Like you know, the guy that was
on recently from New Zealand, hewas saying that he had gotten
the COVID jab right before this started for him.
I know because I'm like, that was what we did, you know, we
(13:36):
went through the whole like the ringer like.
We I was going to ask, yeah. Did you guys think it was
scabies and OF? Course, I mean, at first I, I
was like, there's got to be like, OK, vitty fleas.
That was the first thing. We have fleas.
We have bed bugs, checked everything.
I mean, my husband was away on amilitary assignment at this
time, of course. And I'm like, oh God.
(13:59):
So I'm trying to like, get everything done.
I had, we have pest control people, we had people come clean
our HVAC system out. We had, you know, professional
cleaners head to toe clean everything because at the ER
they were like, there's nothing there.
And I'm like, I feel it under myskin.
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Yeah. Like I'm not, I've never been
one to ever make stuff up. Like it's just not right.
Why you're a busy woman like whywould.
My head didn't make me better orprove it wrong, like fix it
then. And I have a psychiatrist.
I have a psychologist. I want a therapist.
(14:40):
And they all say this is not in your head.
This is something that's happening.
And I'm like, I know it is because they see it.
They see it. I show them my like lesions and
my face. I have like cuts on my face, in
my eyes. Have your eyes ever been
affected by this? You know, it's funny you should
ask that because I, I recently started a group chat with some
(15:04):
of the Morgie ladies and just today they were all talking
about how badly their eyes had been affected, like feeling like
there were granules or somethingor like pieces of glass kind of.
I actually did also like have aneye doctor tell me a couple
years into this thing that like there was some kind of, he
didn't know what it was. He was like, there's just like
(15:25):
this grit, like covering your eyeballs.
And yeah, and I'm interesting, but I actually, my eyes haven't
bothered me terribly. But I know Tom, they did for
like a year. It was, he had what we thought
was a Pinguella. I don't know if you've ever
heard of that. I feel like as we, as we deal
with this situation, like we allbecome such experts on all these
(15:47):
random rare diseases, you know? Actually that's that's I know
that's what I have because I have this like yellowish kind of
looking gunk on the like white part of my eye and it's kind of
getting bigger and I'm like, what the hell is this?
Yeah, it looked it up and it that's what it said.
(16:08):
Surfers Eye. Interesting.
Yeah. It's called a Pinguella.
Your whole eyeball, your psychiatrist and psychologists
have been supportive. I mean, that's.
Such a that's so. Awesome.
That's you're the first person Ihave spoken to.
Who? Oh my gosh, really?
Yeah, you are the first person I've spoken to who's had
actually an affirming not. Sad.
(16:28):
Yeah. So sad.
Yeah, yeah. They've been amazing.
My so my I will say my psychiatrist is not I was like
because at first she tried to put me on like anti anxiety
medication. Like listen, I take an
antidepressant. I know I have anxiety and
depression but this this is not my normal behavior.
(16:51):
Why would I ever do this? Like why do I want I don't want
this attention. I'm not this person.
No, I know who nobody is. That's the thing.
Nobody is. None of us are.
No, it's really sick if you do, you know, because like, no, why
would I do this? I can't make these things like
(17:11):
this is shit that I you can't. And yeah, you cannot implant
foreign materials that are unidentifiable under your own
skin. You're not a microvascular
surgeon, you know. Sometimes it almost feels like
plastic coming. In yeah, I know exactly what
you're talking about. You know what?
Yeah, it's like, and you know, Ihave these like granulomas that
(17:33):
keep showing up and it's a really interesting thing.
It's in my old wounds. Every single spot is in like
pretty much every old wound I'veever had.
These are starting at my belly button.
Yeah, it's weird. You mean like the location where
you find these weird things are like in scars and stuff?
Yeah. Yes, I I had the exact.
(17:54):
Same experience, exact same experience.
It's. So weird but I actually have
like necrosis like tissue that'sgone now in my nose, in my
nostril. It's.
Gone. So my nostril has this little
like cutaway, almost like a fissure, and that's what my derm
(18:15):
says it is. Oh, it's just fissuring.
I'm like, that's not coming back.
Like there's no skin there now. Well, it's I, I've had, you know
what? It's weird.
It's really, really weird, Natalie.
And I'm not saying this to like,you know, assure you or give you
false, you know, whatever, but like I, I have been in that
(18:35):
exact place that you're describing where like it, it was
like, if you think of like a piece of like raw meat and it's
got like kind of threads like it.
The meat itself is, you know, it's got a grain to it, right,
right. Like it was like there were
grains of like flesh, like coming out of some of my wounds
when I first got this. And I was like, that is going to
(18:56):
be like a cavity that will never, ever heal.
And it's amazing to me, but a lot of them, I'm not all, but a
lot of them have actually healedlike I don't know how, which,
which by the way, like should not be possible.
Like when you have what you're describing and I know exactly
what you're describing because Ihad it too.
Like when you have that, that isnot a norm to have like just
(19:16):
spontaneous regeneration of likedead spots, tissue, you know?
So we're it's completely gone. Yeah.
Like how? Which, yeah, so I mean, and I
know like everyone's experience is a little bit different, but
you know, hopefully, like what I've experienced, maybe you'll,
you'll have that eventually happen too.
(19:37):
I I just don't know. But it, it's, it is so bizarre.
Like it's not just the wounding that's bizarre, it's the healing
that's bizarre. Like have you had?
I'm sorry, Go ahead. No, I was just going to say
Ennis also feels very connected to one another.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Each one. You know what I'm saying?
Like. Like a network.
(19:57):
Yeah, like I, I honestly though I've, I looked at, you know, I
looked into some guy and all kinds of stuff because.
That's where you go too. If you don't have any
information about any kind of pests or parasites, then you're
OK. What's the next step?
And that's where I went because we all get mold in our homes.
(20:19):
Like, I know that's something that happens, but we don't live
long enough in a place to reallyexperience it.
And like, I wonder if it's this house.
So then I start deep diving intothat and we do have 3 molds.
However my allergy tests that when I went to the allergist I'm
not allergic to mold apparently.So I'm like, OK, yeah.
(20:43):
No, that that's part of I swear to God, the mold narrative.
Yeah, I I don't it's like it's crazy to me like this is what
like I love about meeting. I'm so thankful by the way for
you like reaching out and. You too.
No, I am so thankful for you. Like you got me through some
dark dark. Days for you.
(21:03):
Oh God, I'm so glad. Just to sing along with you
about like worms and crazy shit.But I talk to these things.
I'm always like. You should you should talk to
them for you. Yeah.
Yes, no, it's good to it's good to talk back.
And honestly I I guess I've probably lost it, but like, I
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think they're listening in some weird way.
Completely. I mean, you can't explain it,
but it's, it's you just you can't help you.
You eventually you either learn to completely disbelieve
yourself or to completely trust yourself, you know, and it's
like, I know what they're actually, I take that back.
There is a Gray area where I'm not sure whether I trust myself
(21:49):
or not, but but for. The most?
Part, but for the most part, yeah, like the fundamentals,
like I'm not hallucinating. Like there's pictures of this,
you know, like there were witnesses in some cases.
Like this is actually. It is real, but it's bizarre.
It's just wild. It's so wild.
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It causes a lot of swelling within me too, like through
that's one thing that I haven't heard a lot of people say, but
the whenever I am like, so peppermint oil works the best
for me. Anything with peppermint oil in
it. And I, I thought that was
interesting because I'm like, OK, maybe this is a spider.
(22:31):
Maybe, you know, like we don't have any bugs.
Like I've literally found no bugs inside.
There are bugs outside, but nothing on the inside.
There are dead ones on the inside because we have treatment
and all that stuff. But when I'm like getting this
stuff off me, when I say like inthe shower and I'm using just a
(22:52):
washcloth, nothing coarse or anything.
And it's your skin sloughs off, right?
Well, the swelling goes down like almost immediately and then
it moves to the next one, which is like down or up high higher
on my legs somewhere like that. So is it mostly on your legs or?
I have. It yeah, I have it every truly
(23:15):
everywhere and it's affecting mystomach like, yeah, like my like
GI issues, like I can't go to the bathroom and then I have to
go like IBS kind of thing, whichI've kind of always had.
But I noticed like weird stuff in my pee and weird stuff in my
(23:37):
poop. Yeah.
And my kids too, yeah. And I brought it up to the
doctors and they're like, oh, that's weird.
And then I said something like ahair and then they just wrote me
off and I was like, great. You know, it's, it's something,
there's something about this whole condition that really just
perplexes me. And it's the fact that, you
(23:58):
know, in, in a lot of ways, likeon paper, like this doesn't make
you sick. Like obviously we both know that
like there's a lot of, there's alot of illness involved with
this, you know, but, but on paper, from a clinical
perspective, like there really isn't anything wrong with you.
And, and it's so frustrating. Like it would be frustrating
because there's plenty of peoplewho actually have some other
(24:21):
known not contested condition who have symptoms and they go to
doctor to doctor to doctor and they can never get a diagnosis.
And, you know, it We're it's this is not relegated just to
people with Morgan ones, but like it is.
So it is so just, I guess to me,it feels like such a futile,
like pursuit to try to get help from healthcare because they're
(24:45):
just not in most cases going to help you.
I mean, I do think that like psychologists, like that's a
different story. Therapists, you know, like a lot
of them can be very, very helpful in understanding.
Yeah. And occasionally here and there,
you know, people find doctors that will work with them.
But the matter is, isn't there is no medical treatment, right?
If nobody even believes it's real, then of course there's no
(25:08):
treatments because there's no tested treatments like
clinically tested, you know, So it's like, what's healthcare
going to do for you? It's not going to do anything.
No, I, I was so hopeful in the beginning of this.
I'm like, OK, you know, I got this.
How did you figure it out? How did you figure out what what
it was? What you had?
Honestly, just doing research and then listening to your
(25:32):
podcast because I was like, maybe maybe it is.
Maybe it is more belongs, you know, I don't know.
I was like, maybe I'm like, Oh my God.
You know, in the back of your head you're like, I hope.
Not I know maybe I'm like play anything but this no, because
it. Has such a bad like.
Stigma. Yeah, yeah, yes, huge stigma,
(25:52):
yeah. Huge stigma with it.
I'm like, oh shit. And as I'm listening to I'm
laughing because I'm like, holy shit, this is exactly what I'm
experiencing. This is exactly what I feel.
Even the kids, my kids were doing the same thing when it was
just me. I'm sure it didn't help because
I was like oh and what if I was and my husband was in here?
(26:16):
But they have gotten better. You know?
I've even tried to ignore it andit doesn't go away.
No, I know, I know. I mean, it certainly our
attention to it doesn't help, but but yeah, ignoring it is not
going to make it go away becausean option, Yeah.
I mean, the whole reason why it grabs your attention in the 1st
place is because there's something there, you know?
(26:38):
Absolutely it is, and I feel like it knows my next step, all
the. Time.
Or it makes the step for me almost, if that makes sense.
No, I actually want to hear moreabout that.
Like what do you, what do you mean by that?
Because I think I do know what you're talking about, but I I
want to hear more. So certain choices I make, it
(26:59):
almost feels like because I feellike this stuff is attracted to
certain colors. I've noticed that because I've
I've done so much freaking research with this and while my
kids are at school this has beenmy like full time job.
Oh yeah. And because I'm like, this is
not OK, like this is not OK that, you know, doctors are
(27:20):
treating us like this. And I'm just, I'm pissed about
it. And I want, I want help and
answers and, you know, and if I can't do it in that realm, I'm
gonna do it somewhere. So I would really, you know,
just deep diving. And I found with red and blue,
it's really attracted to red andblue, whatever this is.
(27:42):
Huh. That's because it shows up more
and it's in. Is it in your clothing at all?
Oh, at all It is. My clothing is made out of
morgalons. Are you kidding?
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm like, how is there like, yeah, like it is 100%.
The entire weave is all fibers of morgalons.
(28:03):
I mean, it's like, it's insane. Sometimes I feel like it's
eating my clothes. Sometimes I feel like it's
becoming my clothes. I know for sure that before this
all started I definitely did nothave my hair woven through
fabric. Like it's insane.
It is all the way in the textiles and I don't.
I've noticed certain like cheap textiles it's even worse.
(28:25):
Yeah, I know. It's everywhere.
It's constantly everywhere. That's where I tell my husband.
He's like, oh sure, sure, sure. You don't get it, so you don't.
Get it right, right. So he doesn't.
He doesn't have it. No, he doesn't have it, although
I see a few things on him. Yeah, like if it doesn't bother
him, I don't want to start something.
(28:45):
Sure. As I've said many times on the
show, and I'm sure like this probably applies to you too,
like was never a big like conspiracy theorist or anything
like here at all. Like in fact, I completely
thought that stuff was ridiculous and pathologized it
and you know, like all that because.
You know, you're, you work in medicine too, like right,
Everything's very straightforward, right?
(29:06):
I mean you experience. Then you experience something
and it is so humbling. And, and, and I agree with you
though, like I, I think all of us like go into that
investigator slash archivist mode, you know, And I don't
think that that's pathological. I think that's what any normal
human being would do because we are pattern seeking individuals.
(29:28):
Like we, we like to find patterns and explain things.
And so when you encounter something that you've never
encountered before, you're it's just a natural.
Yeah, yeah. But unfortunately I feel like
that becomes part of the pathology and the time suck and
the negativity and the obsessionand the compulsion.
And, you know, it's like that isa certain kind of mind control
(29:51):
in and of itself, the whole process of it, you know?
I agree with that 100%. Any normal human being would
respond in that exact way, and that's why we all have, you
know, right? But we get judged for it.
But. Well, it does look insane from
the outside. It does look crazy from the
(30:12):
outside. I know, I know.
But you know, just even going and talking about.
Yeah. You can't say certain things
because they're going to automatically think, oh,
Morgellons, you're crazy. Sorry, delusional parasitosis.
That's what you have. And I'm like, Oh my God, I
seriously can't stand these doctors.
I just want someone to look. To just look.
(30:33):
Take the time. They don't take time.
Yeah, that's the thing. They just didn't look.
But they don't look. You know what I mean?
They look at it. So let's biopsy it and then it
fucking moves when you biopsy it, so you're not getting it.
Wait, I actually do have this question.
So this is the one thing that I,I kind of come back to a lot and
(30:55):
we're talking about fungus and stuff like that, 'cause I was
reading all these medical journals and just reading
anything I could about different, you know, different
types of fungus. And until not, Thoralean fungus
was one that kept coming up and.How do you say it?
Until not Thoralean or until notthe release Is the the like the
(31:20):
order or whatever the highest classification is?
Yeah, yeah. So it basically looks like a
bug. It's a fungus that can take
over. But Cordyceps, for example, is
1, but it doesn't affect us, right.
But there are, there's the city of Bolus, I'm not sure if that's
(31:40):
how you pronounce it, that affect humans that can be
invasive to the point where theyhave like deep, deep issues.
And that it comes from an insector like I wanted to say like a
mosquito, right? I definitely remember going into
the Cordyceps thing and I, I think like so many people like
(32:03):
that I've spoken to seem to think that there's a fungal
component at the very least, youknow, I.
Do I Do? I do think there is, yes, I do.
But I can send you some stuff that I found on phase two.
Sorry, my daughter's losing it. I will send you some info I
found on these two and I actually brought it up to my
(32:26):
doctors too. And I'm like, travel to certain
areas that this could possibly be.
And my husband as well. My husband has been to, like,
Africa and he lives in the woodsfor a while.
So I'm like, yeah, listen, I know stuff can just live in your
skin sometimes. But can we, like, just rule
(32:46):
everything out? Yeah.
Because the patterns are what's so concerning.
The patterns, how it's so structured?
Very. Structured and it almost like
mycelium like. What's 1 of the strangest things
you've noticed about the morguessince you got it?
(33:08):
Like I've noticed these bubbles that just won't go away.
They're like, have you noticed that?
Like anything. Like that I've, I've, I've
thought at times that, and I know Tom has, but I've
definitely thought at times thatI saw strange things in water.
I'll just put it that way because it's so hard to explain
(33:28):
and kind of describe it visuallythat it, it's almost like
whenever I have those kinds of experiences, that's probably the
stuff that's in the Gray area for me.
Like where I'm like, I don't know if that was just hyper
vigilance and hyper sensitization or if that was a
real thing, you know, like it, there's, there's a lot in my own
brain about this that is not black and white, actually not
(33:50):
the more I think about it. Like, absolutely, there's
definitely the things that I'm absolutely positive of.
And yeah, that's good because like that's something that I can
just say, OK, well, that's what it was, and I accepted that and,
you know, like, this is my thing.
Yeah, yeah. I think that also shows that
(34:10):
you're saying because if you weren't able to say no, it can't
be this, it can't be everything.I understand that you know like
it, but it is the things that itis and it's unexplainable it.
Really and truly is. And I mean, I, I continue to try
to like, I don't even know if find explanation is the word.
(34:33):
That's what it started as. It was definitely like, how, how
can this be explained? You know?
And of course, just like you, I also went through all the like,
let's rule out all the traditional stuff first, like
the natural things like parasites and da, da, da, da,
you know, I mean, we all do that.
And then after a while, the longer you have this, the more
you think, OK, the only thing that fits this is like some kind
(34:56):
of like alien, like, you know, like we've.
Never learned about. This.
Yeah. Or, or at the very, at the very
least, some sort of technology so advanced that it appears to
be magic. You know, I don't know.
It's weird, it is. But yeah, believable.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
So yeah, I guess like I'm no longer searching for people's
(35:18):
belief. I'm no longer searching for the
explanation. But what I am looking for now I
feel like is meaning like what does this all mean?
Like to me? What am I going to make it mean?
And what am I going to do with this knowledge?
Because you can't Unsee this shit.
That's the other thing, you know, like there is no like
going back to before that's. What I said to my husband, I'm
(35:41):
like I love you but I can't. It's an exact word.
I can't Unsee this shit because I've seen it under a microscope
as well. Actually I bought a microscope
of. Course.
Handheld 1 yes. You are now at this literally a
morgue. He.
Came home and I had like a kids.Mine just go up a little
handheld one. He's OK.
(36:01):
He's it was, it was definitely along road with my family in
general. Yeah, yeah.
I was going to ask like how is the relationship after all this?
I mean, we have a good days and bad because there are days where
I feel OK, but I honestly like one of the biggest things that
I've been feeling throughout this whole time has been
(36:25):
dizziness, like extreme dizziness, like Vertigo
dizziness. And I'm like when you.
Stand up or just at any given moment.
Any given moment, especially when I'm around this stuff, when
I hear the sound, because the sound is a real thing as well.
Absolutely. Oh, I'm, I'm interested.
(36:47):
Well, tell me, tell me more. So the sounds that I hear is
almost like vibration, kind of like a buzzing.
Oh weird. Oh my God, you're the first
person I've talked to who's alsoheard that.
Yes I I I haven't recorded too because I'm like shit am I
hearing this? Is this really happening?
(37:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, I know I that's,that's crazy because this, this
is a new thing for me. Like I, there have been a couple
of times where I thought I heardsomething, but it was so just
like indistinct that I was like,OK, what, you know, But now
looking back after to the thingsI've been hearing recently, like
I kid you not, like the other day now, like there was this
(37:28):
sound that it was this weird buzzing, kind of weird sound
buzzing. And Tom and I were here and I,
I'm like looking around the house and I look through every
room, you know, expecting to seelike a, you know, like a bug,
like flying, getting bumping up against the window or something.
But there is no such thing. And so I like record a little
clip of it and then when I slow it down and like, you know,
(37:51):
denoise it and stuff, everything, put production on it
and stuff, I hear of like weird voice say do not give up.
Oh my gosh, that is crazy. Yes, yes.
And I'm like, I don't know if that is Morgalon's adjacent or
what, but I was like really feeling down too.
Like it was. You needed it.
(38:12):
Yeah, I. Did I did, and it was like it
was a strangely, I don't know. Tell me about the sounds you've
been hearing though. I'm like so interested.
No, that is what is so weird. Like I have goosebumps because
something similar happened to meand I don't bring it up to a lot
of people because I don't know how they're going to feel about
me. Like I've recorded things with
(38:33):
my camera, like on my phone, just an iPhone that weren't
there in person that I like years ago.
Just things like that where I'm like, that wasn't there.
I don't know what the hell that is.
But. So what it was, whenever I
thought this was like fungus or something of that nature, I was
outside in my front yard kind oflooking around because I was
(38:56):
like, do we have like a yard fungus or what's happening?
And there was this book and I like took a photo, but you know
how iPhone has the live setting and it it records a little
snippet. So I had it hooked up to my
Apple car play and I was just like going through the photos
(39:17):
and I heard a voice and I was like, Oh my God.
And it was a woman's voice. And my gosh, I gotta, I gotta
remember what she said exactly because I, I haven't talked
about this in forever, but it was a warning almost.
Oh, it said like, like, look closer, like look closer here.
(39:40):
Something to that effect to the Bush where that was.
Because when I walk I know this is going to sound insane.
No it won't. Not to me.
When I walked by certain plants in our neighborhood like they
shake, not shitting you, I they start to quake.
(40:02):
No, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Like I've seen this weird plant like vibrating like in front of
me. It's vibration.
That's exactly right. And I'm like, maybe that
whatever is in that isn't actually part of the plant,
maybe not something else. Because.
That vibration, yeah, that vibration is what I hear.
(40:23):
And there's a high pitched vibration and a low one.
And whenever it's really bad andI feel like I'm going to fall
over and pass out, those two come together.
And my daughter is the one who explained it to me that way
actually. She's like, I hear this really
deep boom sound. I'm like, yeah, I'm like.
Yeah, that is wild. Wow.
(40:47):
So my 6 year old hears this. I've never said that to her but
she said one night I can't stop hearing the sound and I'm going
to tell me about it babe. And she's like, it's really.
And then there's this high pitched sound and it's like
they're a magnet and they come together and I'm like, yeah,
dude, you're right. Smart.
(41:08):
That's exactly right. Wow, the way it sounds.
All right, let's start. We're gonna pause for now on
Natalie's story, but I'm so grateful she came on the show
and shared her story with us. Eight months in, you guys, Isn't
she composed? Isn't she poised?
I think I was still losing my fucking shit eight months in.
(41:30):
Go back, listen to the shows. They're probably pretty weird.
But yeah, no, I just really appreciate her sharing her
experience with us. I encourage you all out there
listening to Share your story more. morgalons@gmail.com Would
love to have you on the show. I'm a little bit behind on my
roster. It takes me a while to edit
(41:51):
these phone calls and clean themup.
But if you want to become a guest on the show and do it
faster, send me a voice note. Send me an e-mail first, I'll
give you my phone number and then send me a recorded voice
note, like maybe 5-10 minutes long and I'll put that on the
show. Or you could do one minute.
It doesn't matter. We want to know you.
(42:12):
We want to hear from you, and before we go, I will share with
you all the bizarre fucking sound that I heard in my house
recently as we close out the show.
As I was saying, it sounded likea electronic buzzing sound, or
possibly like a family buzzing like around like a window or
(42:33):
something. It had a kind of a resonant
buzz. I was only ever able to capture
a few seconds of it and it just sounds like, but when I slowed
it down and I cleaned up the audio, denoised it and looped it
around so I could listen to it afew times, this is what I heard.
(42:57):
All right, you heard the demon. Do not give up.
Thank you for listening, stay tuned.
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